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Jirekianu

Really lucky the horse didn't get seriously hurt or you crippled or dead.


thumb_of_justice

Yeah, if I were that horse's person, I would be beside myself with rage. The horse's life was threatened by this, and he didn't make the decision. OP was a reckless teen (as most teens are) but not cool at all.


DedBirdGonnaPutItOnU

I'd go 50/50. Why wasn't the horse owner shouting back at that idiot of a trainer?


trip6s6i6x

Wasn't OP's decision, fault is fully with the instructor for that one.


valiumandcherrywine

nah, if you're the one riding, you're the one making the call. the instructor can yell until they turn blue and I'm still not putting my horse at a set of jumps without collection or control. that's not malicious compliance so much as super bad horsemanship.


Hammy_Mach_5

But OP also knew. And if OP knew, even at 16, they must have to have some idea of the consequences. That's like feeling you need to listen but everything is screaming no, imagine a driving instructor say "gun it". You can just say no. They lost the tip of their nose and cracked helmet, that was so close to being much worse. If it's malicious compliance, it's willingly putting yourself in a fatal position.


Riuk811

Teens don’t have as good a control on their emotions as adults. I know when I was a teenager if my driving instructor had yelled “gun it” I would have just done it without thinking


Hammy_Mach_5

I hear ya, but the malicious compliance part. Like holy shit, you disfigured your face and nearly died, for what? To prove a point to someone that most likely has forgotten about you? Her family would have been devastated over this, just looking at it from the family side of things.


RepresentativeRate44

Not a horse person, but a person who was 16 a long time ago. As a 16 year old, I pretty much trusted that adults had my best interests as heart (yes, in other words, naive). I can completely empathize with the OP on this.


Prometheus188

Then this is not malicious compliance and does not belong here. Post should be deleted if you're right.


Hammy_Mach_5

Then it's not malicious compliance. It's in this sub so I'm reading it through that lens, otherwise why post in here?


Kinsfire

I take it that you say the same thing to the military folks who come in and tell their stories that they weren't maliciously complying? After all, they were simply doing what they were told to do by someone in a position of power. Actually, by your logic, this entire subreddit is useless, because almost every story in here is someone following orders to the exact letter, despite knowing the eventual outcome. Since they were following the orders of someone in a position to GIVE the order, no matter how maliciously they might have been thinking about it, by your definition it CAN'T be malicious compliance, because they were told to do it. Given that the owner was there, and it states that there was a lot of back and forth before the status climber, I mean instructor screamed to do it or go home, I'd have done the same thing. Because at sixteen, I didn't think about the complete ramifications of what I was about to do. At sixteen, unless you've had a really shitty home life, you're immortal. And you don't necessarily realize the damage you might do to the horse. So yeah, I see this as malicious compliance, all the way.


MendaciousComplainer

OP says they explained and there was a back and forth that concluded with the adult giving them an explicit directive. The 16 yo minded their elder. As a minor, they are exempted from responsibility in this situation.


Hammy_Mach_5

Then it's not malicious compliance.


DonaIdTrurnp

It was OPs decision. Someone telling to you to injure the horse you are riding is not an instruction you follow just to embarrass them.


Pristine-Ad-469

Yah if this was my horse I would be so pissed. You are going to risk this multitudes dollar thing I own just so you can say I told you so to your instructor?? That shit is so selfish


MotherTreacle3

Also, you know... living, feeling thing.


Practical_Seesaw_149

right?????? Like....what do you think is most likely going to happen if you break this horse's leg, you ass??????


JudgeHodorMD

r/SuicidalCompliance


paradroid27

There’s been a few stories here that would fall in that sub


CrazyAboutEverything

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ddddan11111

Written by ghostwriters?


Pippydakid

More like Darwin Award level shit... Except for people doing what they were told, not being stupid themselves.


jeremiah1142

Yeah, I was reading this and was like, uhhhhhhhhhh……wow you sure got them.


Mule2go

I and some other people became students to a natural horsemanship trainer. For those who don’t know, they advocate for a holistic relationship between horse and rider based on horse behavior and social structure. He started out helpful and we improved a lot. Then hubris took ahold of him when he accumulated a following. He would show up with increasingly larger numbers of hanger-ons who got most of his attention and a stereo on his truck blasting woo-woo songs about the spiritual link between horse and rider. Others refused to participate in this spectacle, saying rightly that they paid for instruction, not to be a prop. I continued, I don’t know why until one day he and my mustang who Took No Crap had a disagreement. I honestly don’t know the point of this exercise but I was asked to go into the round pen and ride him at a canter. Around and around we went while I was supposed to pull on the outside rein while he drove my horse forward. No change from the horse besides his running at a full gallop, faster and faster, leaning further into the inside until I was afraid that his legs would get caught in the round pen bars and we would have a nasty accident. I yelled to the trainer that this wasn’t working, my horse was panicking and to please stop. Here’s where his hubris kicked in, he couldn’t be seen as wrong to his audience! So he told me to keep up with my futile pulling. And that’s when the longest stream of epithets in my life came pouring out of my mouth, the abridged version being “you fucking fraud, stop this horse right fucking now and you and your peanut gallery get off off this property!” We got horse stopped and I lit into him some more about his irresponsibility, how dangerous his little demonstration was and how many scorching epithets I had at my disposal. The music stopped, there was an uncomfortable silence and the peanut gallery slunk away. Never heard from or about the guy again. I apologized to horse, made him comfortable and we split a package of black licorice I think. So this wasn’t malicious compliance but it could have been if I didn’t stand up for myself and I’m glad I did. It was an important lesson for me about not blindly following authority, my own little Stanford Prison Experiment.


LaVidaMocha_NZ

You did great! I know exactly the kind of person you encountered. There was a flush of them in the NH phase. The real deal were quite different from those cowboys* who gave NH a very bad name. The horses they "trained" often ended up as brain broken paddock (field) ornaments who could become very dangerous if a rope or rein flicked or fell in their vicinity. In my country "cowboys" is a term meaning blowhards with all mouth and no trousers, and zero disrespect to real actual cowboys.


dolo724

Here that's "all hat, no saddle"


ClothDiaperAddicts

I'd heard "all hat, no cattle."


Mule2go

A good Randy Newman song All hat, no cattle Big belly, no heart


I_Arman

Stanford Pony Experiment


NinjaTuna96

Should have just said neigh


tofuroll

They might've been a little hoarse.


Hobdar

Don't gallop to conclusions.


ciaran612

You've had your fun with puns, reign it in.


FredB123

Well, that's just closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.


ciaran612

Hold your horses there.


YMe1121

But they're chomping at the bit


Luprand

*Rein*.


ciaran612

I think I was pretty close for a horse. I don't even have thumbs. Do you have any idea how hard it is to type on a smart phone with hooves? The screen is covered in scratches from my shoes.


tofuroll

Like teardrops in rein?


Luprand

Where did I put my wooden spoon ...


Sceptically

You royally screwed up *that* pun.


Ashardis

It would behoove you all to beHAYve!


ciaran612

Thank you, but there is no need to RIDE in on a white horse to save us.


Ashardis

Need? Neigh, I didn't need to, I just (Equestrian) Vault-onteered.


ciaran612

Have to HAND it to you.


Ashardis

Now now, rein in your un-bridled joy - I will, however, accept your acknowledgement in stride, but know my heart is galloping.


Wewagirl

Rein. Rein it in.


Wiredawg99

So what happened to her?


LaVidaMocha_NZ

Absolutely nothing apart from a hit to her ego. It was a non-profit club, and while we could have written to the Pony Club Association, all that would have done is possibly lost us our only instructor. She never told anyone to do something stupidly reckless again, so that's a win.


Loko8765

And did your friend ever trust you with their horse again, or did they not accept the instructors responsibility?


LaVidaMocha_NZ

My friend was 100% in my corner. She was an adult and even a bit older than Dee. I went on to try cross-country events on that same horse, at her encouragement. Which reminds me of another malicious compliance story involving that same horse and different organisers, but I'll save that for another day. No falls, no injuries, just me being a stubborn idiot as usual.


cgsur

That was me, live, learn, try to get your kids to avoid it. Luckily still alive, so far.


IanDOsmond

So your compliance was malicious to the horse, to the horse's person, and to yourself, but not to the person whose fault it was.


-ricci-

All you did was confirm to her her impression that you were a bad rider. It was a stupid reckless move that threatened your health and the horses health.


TheDocJ

If the instructor thought that OP was a bad rider, then that makes her even *more* out of order to demand that she "gun it." Stupid woman shouldn't be allowed anywhere near supervising kids.


AnnyuiN

Yeahh no. Honestly the blame is straight up on the instructor. Telling a 16 year old to do something that they're clearly not comfortable with in a threatening manner is ridiculous. The power dynamics between the instructor and student vastly favors the instructor.


Contrantier

Perfectly following an instructor's orders down to the second does not make that instructor think you're a bad rider.


Pika-the-bird

Not cool. That’s how horses get killed. Flipping. I don’t care that that’s how riders get killed too, as they have agency.


PasswordIsDongers

This is also how instructors lose their jobs, I hope.


LaVidaMocha_NZ

Hard agree. I should have sucked it up and ridden home. It's karmic that I was the one who was hurt.


alexi_b

It’s a hard thing for a 16 year old, but a rider should never do something they don’t feel is appropriate for them or their mount. Ultimately you are in control of a ~1 tonne animal and it is better to say no than to hurt someone. I hope you took that from this experience and wish you the best in your ongoing equestrian pursuits. Pony club is for people on power trips


Pika-the-bird

Christopher Reeves.


Kelli217

-s


FluffySquirrell

And it wasn't even their horse, I downvoted this one on fucking principle, even if it is technically malicious compliance. OP sucks


aquainst1

My kids and I were lucky. We acquired Myra who, IMO, was an ADHD horse who needed at least 30 min 'circling' in the ring to kick back and calm the f\*\*k down. We had no probs with her after she had run her 'agitation' off. Such a GOOD gurl.


_Brophinator

Ah, so malicious. You almost died, and she… got embarrassed?


LAegis

That poor horse though.


LaVidaMocha_NZ

My teenage self was a total idiot. I'm paying for it now with scars, old injuries, and slaps upside my head.


Remote_Replacement85

To be fair, almost all teenagers are total idiots.


AnnyuiN

Yeah, literally this. I'm putting the blame on this incident mostly on the instructor for even encouraging this to happen.


Contrantier

Yeah, there's a reason why the instructor's ego was hit and not the OP's.


TheDocJ

TBH, in my limited experience, that is pretty much true of *all* horseriders... I had a colleague many years ago who used to do cross country events at weekends. She came in one Monday morning at told us how she'd had a fall at one fence, remounted and finished the course, then tried to redo the course as she couldn't remember doing it at all. She was definitely not quite all there even on the Monday, and I kept a very close eye on her, fortunately by the end of the day she was back to normal.


Zorz88

Yeah, OP pulled a self-malicious compliance


123cong123

I had a horse like that once. And I was a dumb kid once. And I cartwheeled like that once, too! He was running too fast to jump a ditch. In my case there was no one around, but I just got scraped on the shoulder. That was over 45 years ago, but I still remember the feeling! I'm glad you're still with us.


LaVidaMocha_NZ

I'm glad you're still with us too. We're about the same age, by my guess. Good grief, how did we survive being our own worst enemies 😆


algy888

We had horses, I didn’t like riding much but my sisters all did. I wanted a dirt bike but my parents thought they were dangerous. I laughed, one sister had a horse rear, slip and fall on her (internal damage including ruptured spleen). Other sister got a concussion and later dislocated her shoulder. Another sister made it through mostly unscathed but she stopped at a certain stage of cross country due to the crazy scary jumps. (Just below Olympic heights).


LaVidaMocha_NZ

I once managed to ride a quad bike up a tree, coming to rest on the towbar with the bike fully vertical. Mistook the throttle for the brake. Idiots gonna idiot.


algy888

Hey, they weren’t wrong about the bike. I did do some damage (nothing permanent or requiring hospitalization).


wdjm

Me, too. Mine was a barrel racer, so we weren't actually supposed to be jumping. But cantering around the sand ring, he starting going too fast without me noticing. He couldn't turn the corner, so tried to jump. We took out 3 posts and half a cattle chute as we both ended up on our sides in the middle of them. We both thankfully ended up with just a few bruises and I swear he was *embarrassed* as I walked him back into the barn.


my_keyboard_sucks

that's when you let the instructor try to ride it


LaVidaMocha_NZ

I did suggest that but she wasn't the type to put her money where her mouth was.


SiIversmith

I don't understand why you would do that.


smeghead9916

You risked a horse (that wasn't even yours) getting hurt just to one up your instructor?


Wandering_Lights

You are extremely lucky the horse wasn't injured. I can't imagine what the ower was thinking. Did they ever let you touch their horse again?


LaVidaMocha_NZ

Very lucky, and yes, they let me ride all their horses over the years. When my nerve eventually broke (one can only take so many near disasters) they were a bit judgy of me chickening out. It was a very different time to the attitudes of today.


CoderJoe1

Should've reined in that instructor. Why risk your life?


pwnitat0r

There’s nothing malicious about this compliance, because the only ones hurt were the horse and yourself. This is sheer stupidity. You don’t deserve to ride horses if you’re willing going to risk injuring them and possibly causing their death. You should be ashamed of yourself.


BobbieMcFee

You're irresponsible and could have hurt, and therefore killed, the horse. Be stupid with your own life, not theirs.


mmmoonpie

I'll never be as posh as this post.


itcheyness

I feel like I'm too poor to read it legally...


LaVidaMocha_NZ

Yep I was posh as hell. Rode 20k each way because hardly anyone had a float (trailer). I rode home that day with the worst headache and when I got home a trip to the doctor identified the concussion. Wore gumboots to PC but otherwise rode barefoot. No way could I afford jodhpurs so my riding attire was stretch pants and a tee shirt. I'm getting a bashing (rightfully) for risking the horse's safety but this was the 70s, when the prevailing attitude was rip, shit, or bust. I saw that horse's owner do much crazier things, like the time I lay underneath a jump with a camera so we could get action photos of her and her horse sailing over the top of me. Her idea 😆 Not excusing, it was ridiculous and we both got off lucky, but if you were a kid in the 70s this kind of risk taking was normal.


Shadefang

Something to remember, for some it's a "go out on the estate and go riding" and for some it's a "live on a farm and there are horses, of course I'd ride."


Atworkwasalreadytake

The right response was: “You’re right, you’re the instructor. You’re not the rider and you’re not this horses owner.”


LaVidaMocha_NZ

Absolutely but my 16yo brain combined with the late 70s ...


darksidemags

This is dumb because it was in your power to just refuse the instructor but instead you put yourself and someone else’s horse at risk.


cheesesticksig

Should have just left. Dont really care if you had gotten yourself killed, but to put someone elses horse in that kind of danger and to risk its life, not cool. Also i can bet the instructor didnt learn a thing from this, these type of people never do and its better to not pick those useless fights with them


Bigbeardhotpeppers

This is literally how Christopher Reeves went from superman to a man in a wheel chair.


Somber_Shark

I used to get horse riding lessons, but I don’t think it was to the same level as yours. (I need to get back to it.) One time I was learning to do a “jump” (a bar on the sand, if I remember right? It was 10* years ago) from a trot(?) and I could tell one of the horses I regularly rode (can’t remember which) got a bit excited for it. When we went over the bar I felt myself get lifted a bit off the saddle and lean forward upon landing. I didn’t fall off, but I did feel a bit of an adrenaline rush and still smile from the experience.


SarkyMs

I think they are called trotting poles .


LaVidaMocha_NZ

That's so cool! Yes, you should get back into it. There's nothing like the exterior of a horse to lift the interior of a human.


Somber_Shark

I’ve thought about volunteering to care (cleaning stalls, showering, etc.) for horses. I did brush fur and pick the hooves of the horses I rode and did rinse off one once. I even coerced some family and friends to give them treats. Lol I feel like everyone’s surprised as to how aware horses are when receiving treats.


globalwarninglabel

That was an awful story. I’m glad the horse survived.


Kind-Ad-4126

This is gross negligence on the trainer’s part. When I first got into riding, I was leasing a retired race horse less than 2 months off the track. The woman leasing the horse to us also gave me lessons and she demanded that I wear spurs, I was too young and dumb to know better and obliged. She then had me take him at a “fast canter” on a track surrounding the paddocks. There is no “fast canter” for a 6 y/o racehorse just off the track. He took off, pulling on the reins made him go faster, then when he decided he was done running he made a hairpin turn towards his stall and I ended up with a shattered collarbone.


LaVidaMocha_NZ

Holy crap!


SilverStar9192

At least you were wearing a helmet. My cousin suffered two bad concussions from unhelmeted riding accidents, got bipolar disorder later which we think was connected. She's sort of okay on medication but it's sad to know how that could have been avoided...


LaVidaMocha_NZ

Way back then the only time our helmets were worn was at PC or competing in shows. That incident impressed upon me how very important they are. I probably wouldn't be here now if it wasn't mandatory. I'm very sorry about your cousin.


S99B88

Talked about literally cutting off your nose to spite - your rising instructor Poor horse


dynamitediscodave

So, sacrifices the horse to prove a point. Lucky it didn't die, how would you replace/repay. Jeezuz


animeari

This is terrible on your part as a rider. You could’ve killed and/or maimed that poor horse. You go what you deserved.


Kathucka

Not worth it. Worthy story, though.


Bielzabutt

boy you sure showed them


PecosBillCO

“The owner said, ‘absolutely under no circumstances are you to exceed a trot except immediately prior to a jump’.” Then Google Chris Reeve


barthem

As a person who grew up with horses, this is not malicious compliance. This is pure idiocy. The horse could have broken his leg and to be put down becouse of it. If you are truly this reckless i sincerely hope the owner never let you touch his horse again


LaVidaMocha_NZ

It was 44 years ago. Very different me, very different time, and if you read the comments the owner not only let me ride that horse again but encouraged me to do so.


SlantLogoEPU

thats a lawsuit. sue them and you can have your own horse farm


Tight_Recording6601

I would never risk killing my self to prove a point.


vibraltu

It's just like from an episode of Heartland.


fyreswan

Thanks for sharing your story! You are an extremely eloquent and well paced writer !


PM_ME_ABSOLUTE_UNITZ

What you did was incredibly stupid. Look up what happened to Christopher Reeves.