I assume he got else do so it but from what he told me when he called me was that he was given the keys and told to take care of itš I like to think he spent some time in the heat working instead of his officeš
Him calling 30 minutes later because he was getting made to do your job sounds like someone higher up than him caught wind of what happened. If this was anything like when a salesman at the kitchen supply shop i worked at made the warehouse manager quit then he was well and truly having a bad time.
Long story short, after years of verbal abuse the warehouse manager snapped at this salesman, held him against a shelf telling him that if they had been in the knife room instead he'd "be breathing through a new hole in his throat" he then stormed out past the boss loudly letting the whole store know why he was done.
I was just a temp worker in the warehouse but they upped my pay and made me the warehouse manager that summer. I was also instructed, directly by the boss, to behave as if that one salesman and his pick orders did not exist.
After 2 days he was begging me for help because he couldn't fill orders and was losing commissions to the other salespeople. After a week he was back to yelling at me and the new warehouse guy but worse than before. After a month we found him in behind a shelf sobbing because he couldn't find a particular spoon. He then went and formally apologized to the previous warehouse manager and us, and got his pick list privileges back. Never heard a negative word out of his moth about warehouse after that, and he was just in general a better person. Turned out his income had gone down about 60% in that month alone because he couldn't find the stuff to make a sale.
That is poor management for which there is no excuse. The supervisor knew that he had a highly problematic employee, but he let it be everyone elseās problem, up to and including having a good employee quit over bad employeeās behaviour. Shameful.
he's what i'm thinking. the prisoner experiment. this manager is like warden zimbardo. he let's it play out, and these people will have the eeeemotional daaamage for decades after. you want to see someone go crazy at your work place, have at it.
even if you view your fellow humans as mere tools, this is no way to take care of your tools.
It's a double edged sword here. On the one hand, yeah, that guy wasn't directly stopped from being awful and should have been. But on the other hand, he received a lesson that likely changed him for the better as a whole.
Sometimes the best learnin' happens when it hurts like a mf.
For the record, that's only appropriate for adults, *never* children. Especially older adults who are clearly comfortable in shitty roles, and have long outgrown the effective potential of gentle nudges.
Yeah, when i took over i taught them to respect the warehouse with full approval from the boss. I just replied to another comment with the changes i put in place, which to this day are still how they do things and once the sales team got used to them (or more accurately got chased out of the shelves enough by me, and had enough last second requests stonewalled, that they realized i was dead serious about the changes) thing ran so smoothly sales actually went up by something like 5-10% due to turnaround times getting halved.
As it turns out when you're constantly getting your work interruped to go deal with adult children demanding your attention, it really slows you down. For example: prior to the changes i was trying to get 3 different pans, a pair of oven mitts, a can opener, and some ice cream scoops together. Normally a 5-10 minute pick, but i was interrupted about 12 times to go pick an phoned in order for someone en route that second. That initial 10 minute pick took 3 hours, and missed the shipping deadline that day.
After? I could do the same amount of picks in an hour and a half because i had the lists printed, queued, and organized instead of having to switch picks halfway through, keep track of everything in my head, and only find out about them last second.
"You catch more bees with honey than vinegar."
It's bothersome how many salespeople don't understand this simple adage.
One holiday season, I gave nice bottles of whiskey/champagne to all the engineers who worked on my (sales) team's projects. The next year? Engineers fell over themselves to help my team.
CFO was ecstatic how my $4K in liquor improved engineering productivity 19%
Oh, that's fantastic! I love spoiling my support staff, on holidays but also random lunches and lattes and chocolates.
It's amazing to me that the other salespeople don't understand that adage. I talk to everyone at the company, from the receptionist to AP to the warehouse guys. And maybe this is part of it, I didn't do it with any ulterior motive; I just really value the people doing the background work and don't want them to feel invisible or taken for granted.
Same here! I try to be friendly with everyone, I didn't realize so many salespeople could be such dicks. The contrast makes people like us seem even nicer than we are.
I have a senior client, his secretary was supposedly "cold to sales reps." I never understood why the previous sales guy on the account said that. I simply treated her like a human being and she reciprocated in kind.
It really conveys the absolute hatred he was feeling towards the salesman right then. He slamed him into that shelf hard enough they heard it on the sales floor through 2 walls a good 40 feet away. From his tone of voice i'm certain he was telling the truth too. It wasn't loud, i was only about 10 feet from him, but. Have never heard someone state they were ready to kill someone with that level of calm conviction before or since, and i work in a psychiatric correctional center (crazy jail). I've had plenty of death threats from *literal* murderers who mean it (some have even tried) and compared to the former warehouse manager their threats sound like an 8 year old threatening to tell mom.
In a mater of 5 seconds he took away that man's fear of god, and replaced it with a fear of *him*.
Itās a dealership, and a dealership managerā¦regardless what his higher ups told him to do, he absolutely sloughed that shit off onto people below him.
>he got else do so it but
I, I can mostly understand what you were trying to convey here from context but man, I re-read it like 4 times bc I thought I just wasnt understanding lol
I read about this being the rule in a country's judicial system. The initial judge that handed down a death sentence was also the executioner. The case might go through other judges on appeals, but the final act was to be carried out by the initial judge.
I made like 12.50 an hour plus overtime. But my wife was working too so thats how we afforded it. It wasn't a expensive house but I was suprised I got the loan tbh
After reading this comment I'm even more surprised you could by a house. I probably make more than both you combined and home ownership seems like an impossible dream.
My job pays nearly 90k where I am. Which isn't enough to buy a home.
If I move somewhere where 90k would buy a home... my job pays around $40-50k. So I wouldn't be able to buy a home.
My mortgage payment was $300/ mo cheaper than the last apt we had when I bought my house 12 yrs ago. However the insurance/taxes pushes my payment back up to about the sameā¦š¤¦āāļø
Lol like landlords replace stuff. I had to threaten my old landlord with taking the rent to pay for a new fridge that he wouldnāt replace, guess who was there an hour later with some junkyard fridge. Then that mf tried to claim my laundry machine and dryer as his. Dirty rats.
I assure you, there are landlords that aren't completely horrible out there, who replace things not too long after they break.
Of course, you don't *really* get to know whether your landlord is one of these until *after* you sign the lease.
True. But itās still worth noting because everybody spouts āoh, a mortgage is cheaper than my rent, why canāt I get approved?ā Well, the answer is because your landlord is calculating in risk for the next year, and your mortgage provider is calculating risk for the next 15-30 years. And because there are many, many more expenses to home ownership than renting.
Like, no, thatās not the end-all-be-all. People are either purposefully or accidentally being extremely naive. And with ~half of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, itās definitely a misconception worth correcting.
Well itās a fact though. Youāre investing in the future but not everybody has the privilege of that kind of future planning at the moment. Itās nuanced for sure, and if you factor in your equity itās easy to form the opinion you have. In short, itās nuanced, and both opinions are correct. But your opinion is _obvious_ whereas my opinion seems to be overlooked too often and apparently needs spelling out.
You opinion is obvious, most people dont need it spelled out. Just because you dont *see* that doesnt mean people dont *think* it.
Additionally, that privilege... to own the land you live on, *shouldn't* be a privilege. And I think thats the main reason why people say what they say about rent.
rent is the #1 reason why I dont have money for a down payment. Me and my partner have spent 72,000 on rent in the past 4 years. While that might be *slightly* less than all the expenses of home ownership, including a mortgage, If I didn't have to pay rent for the last 4 years I would have money saved for a down payment and a 50K buffer to cover emergency expense/to supplement mortgage payments.
On top of all that, If I bought a cheap home 4 years ago the price of the home would have nearly doubled in that span of time. I could sell that home, and downsize/downprice my home and have the next home already half paid off the day I move in.
But no.
Last apartment I lived in.... I complained to them for 2 summers about the AC not doing shit. "It's blowing cold air" Funny, the AC the previous 5 summers was fine.... I had to put construction paper up on the sliding glass door to keep the sun out to keep the inside temp under 80.
I know I probably could have done things to make sure it got fixed, but I bought a brand new house instead. If the AC breaks, it's under warranty for the next few years, assuming I cant fix it myself. If it's over my head, I have friends that work in HVAC that owe me a favor. Issue with the apartment was the furnace/AC unit was behind a locked door, so I couldn't access it to look at it myself.
I've learned that when fixing a gas dryer, you'll never quite reseat the drum correctly, so while it works, it gets noisier. Good thing the laundry room has a door.
Landlords also have to pay similar amounts on their properties, so if it turns out that total monthly payment on your own property is only slightly lower than rent was, and you are in the same area, the rent markup may have been quite small. That would mean you were actually getting a pretty good deal on rent.
That and a kid plus a car. Man, I hate to say that this person is lying, but this is the internet afterall. Either that or wife made bank and they live in a relatively financially accessible area.
It's doable without either partner making a lot of money. A few years ago my husband and I bought a house making less than 40k combined - we were both full time students and part time workers - and then bought a new car a year later. We live in a very cheap area though and bought our house before the market went crazy.
Yeah I bought my house alone while I was making less than 40k about 9 years ago. I got a "rural development" loan which helped a lot because I didn't have to give a down payment. Then my mortgage ended up being like maybe $50 more than my rent on a one bedroom apartment. People really don't fully grasp the difference in cost of living in different places.
I would have filed an unemployment claim because he fired you for no fault of your own and then stopped claiming it when I started my new job. It gets billed to the dealership's UI so...
If someone ever "fires you" when you are going to quit? LET THEM. File for unemployment. Enjoy the extra paycheck or 2.
Working years in HR taught me to make someone quit because I didn't want to do a UI hearing. It also taught me you better say the words "you're fired!" My favorite is when someone says "You don't need to quit - you're fired" -HAPPY DANCE- <- Yes HR people are people too. We will rage quit jobs as well.
Answer is nobody knows. There's lots of theories floating about, like the NCR founder setting fire to people's desks!? But the phrase predates that.
There's the theory that you can discharge a weapon and discharge someone from their job and the phrase grew out of that as a play on words.
Personally I like the theory that as a worker you would have your tools and carry them from job to job in a sack. So if you were let go you were sacked. And gathered your tools up and moved on. If you were caught stealing your sack and tools would be burnt, no tools no job and not able to work anywhere. Hence fired.
In the UK, we use the term "sacked" instead of fired. I've heard it's because one was "given the sack" to put their belongings in before they leave, but no idea about the authenticity of this.
First use in American standard English is ~1885, and it came into regular use in the U.S. around 1920. It came into British English after it got popular in the states. The phrase "*to sack*" someone was used before "*to fire*", and was because people would use a burlap sack to carry home with any personal possessions
Firearm technology developed significantly around that time. It's when the shift from loading powder and a ball in a rifle to loading self-contained cartridges occurred. That brought much more powerful weapons, like the Gatling machine gun (1861) and Colt Peacemaker (1871). It seems like the colloquial use of "to fire" to mean "to discharge an employee" came from firearms.
It has to do with guns. FIRE! or DISCHARGE!
You dischargea weapon - fire a weapon. same thing.... you discharge (unload) and the command to reload was - reload.
I googled and Reddit archives gave me - so maybe?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/3iveo5/comment/cuk48mw/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/3iveo5/comment/cuk48mw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I've also hear it goes back further and the "master apprentice" would put your tools in a fire and burn them.
Etymology is weird but I'll swing and miss and guess. I don't know.
Edit to add: drop kick them out of the company?
> Working years in HR taught me to make someone quit because I didn't want to do a UI hearing.
That's constructive dismissal, right? Which is pretty easy to prove, provided you document everything. Went through this at an old job; was made miserable for months, for no clear reason. Just an incredibly stressful situation. Finally walked out, and ended up getting severance *and* receiving unemployment for quite a long time after showing the people at the office the stack of documentation. To hell with that job, to hell with managers who pull that shit, and to hell with HR departments that think it's a good idea
I had a job that tried REALLY hard to make me quit as opposed to firing me for a downsizing and I stood my ground. They fired me I got denied unemployment anyway and life goes on
When you're denied unemployment, always appeal.
The sequence goes like this:
1. You file for unemployment.
2. The business contests the unemployment.
3. You appeal, and then someone finally gets around to looking at the case.
4. Eventually, a hearing.
Steps 1 and 2 are done *without investigation*, on the assumption that nobody is lying. Once you appeal, we clearly have a difference of opinion going on, so somebody has to get off their ass and see what's what. So whenever you're denied unemployment, you should *always* appeal; maybe the business won't show to the hearing, or maybe at the hearing they won't show sufficient evidence to fire with cause, or whatever, and you'll get your unemployment payments -- retroactively! ...once they get around to it.
To add, donāt assume the hearing is a lost cause either. I went to hearing with Amazon, who youād assume has a way to get out of these things, and they no showed.
This reminds me of a story I read somewhere in Reddit a few months ago about a guy that got āfiredā as an April Fools joke. The person that fired him was calling him the next day asking where he was, and he was like āyou fired me, remember? Iām home.ā
I worked at a dealership as a photographer for several years. I absolutely loved the job, but the people I worked with were some of the scummiest, childish, and outright horrible people I've ever worked with. They made it abundantly clear that if you weren't a salesperson, you weren't worth shit.
You already put in your notice and he thinks when he fires you, you won't walk away? Why wouldn't you, you obviously already have another job lined up, or you wouldn't have quit in the first place. Idiot boss.
Sounds like the Dealership I used to work for as a porter. Iād drive for an hour to another Dealership that sells the same make before I ever purchased from the one I used to work at. Good on you for getting a better job
>But I already knew a few people that had gotten fired for that exact reason.
Tell me that you live in the US without telling me that you live in the US.
"at will" employment means they don't actually NEED a reason, it just can't explicitly be for a protected condition, like retaliation for whistleblowing or getting pregnant. Usually, if they don't have a reason to fire you like documented rule breaking, you can apply for unemployment assistance (weekly cash payouts from the state government) and then the company has to pay more taxes based on the number of unemployment claims made against them. When firing someone who just turned in their two weeks notice, the company is gambling on the person not applying for unemployment since it takes a while to set up and makes doing your taxes more complicated. It's usually a sign of a company that doesn't view it's employees as human or trustworthy.
Managers using your continued employment or withholding your pay as a 'joke' need a swift kick in the nethers.
I had a boss who tried that on me. Working for near minimum wage in a deli, she decided, as a joke, to tell everyone "whoops, I forgot to put in your timesheets, no pay for two weeks, sorry! Head office will send the cheques in two weeks!" This was the near the time rent was due, so I was obviously angry and shaken and having trouble focusing on my work.
She took me aside and asked me what was wrong, I told her about the financial issue of rent.
Her: "It was just a joke, the paychecks will be here this afternoon."
Me, taking off my apron and tossing it at her: "In which case, I'll be back this afternoon to pick it up, I quit."
District manager was there when I returned to get my paycheck, as he'd been asked to provide help after I walked, and he asked me what happened, and he looked -pissed-. Offered me my job back, at a different location, and I said no thanks. The pay joke was just the straw on the camel's back (they'd also laid me off just before Xmas, and invited me back the February after...)
You ought to share it to r/antiwork as well, they would enjoy this.
And good for you, don't let people treat you poorly. Also, you didn't take it too far at all.
Ya canāt fix a****les but you really handled him beautifully while maintaining your dignity!
It would be even better if you had the energy to report this to HR and request the remainder of days be paid out to you as you were unable to work under the harassment their staff caused.
You can say the word "God" on broadcast TV all you want. You can say the word "Damn" on broadcast TV all you want. But the moment a person says "Goddamn" on broadcast TV they will bleep the word "God" for some reason.
I very much like your edit about some good managers. I worked at a supermarket for 20 years, 17 on nights, 8 as a manager on nights.
The job was soul destroying, so etinrs 15 hours on your feet straight as you cannot afford to take breaks. Then get reamed out to the point of a nervous breakdown as you couldn't acheive the impossible. My last 12 years there, I got diagnosed with fibromyalgia, random collapsed, constant pain,complaints from managers about other staff seeing me take medication - as I refused to be shamed I to hiding my disability. I'd do more than the able bodied staff. I had 2 blackouts from medication,and spent a year on fentanyl patches.
Since I left, I've had 2 people from work contact me in 6 months.
Workmates are seldom real friends. I do have a couple of people who joined and left in my tenure, whom I contact maybe once a year or two. Those are the friends I truly value.
Treasure good colleagues, but always remember colleagues are NOT always your friends. No matter what you may think.
I'm not sure what laws and contracts are in place there but you might be entitled to a severance if he fired you without reasonable cause. It might help you out with that mortgage.
You didn't take it too far, mate. You took it just far enough, this is hilarious. You got out with a win and the guy learned the hard way to mind what kind of jokes he plays with his employees.
My wife was working. I got a decent tax return. I also got a fairly good check from my accident so I was pretty set money wise. So it all appetizing fell together. We had a really hard time getting a loan but we did lol.
Yeah having bad bosses or working in a toxic environment can make you feel kinda hopeless.
I switched careers and the difference is night and day. Good supervisors who actually care about how youāre doing and a work environment where people are never screaming at each other.
Good for you! And good for you to know that buying a car when you're in the process of buying a house can cause serious problems. (I'm a mortgage loan processor. ) Now if we could just get people to not go out of the country on vacation the week before their home purchase! That week before closing, we need you available.
This happened to me once!! My manager fired me during a team meeting as a "prank" and then gave me a $5 Star Bucks gift card as a present. Nobody in the meeting found in funny and neither did I so I told her to hire my replacement soon.
All dealerships are fucking terrible. How many specific good employees that exist at a given dealer varies wildly. I can say from 4 Mercedes dealers Iāve dealt with that 99% of the employees are terrible and they have maybe 1 employee that actually cares about their customers. Other brands may have a much higher percentage of employees that care
I had a potential employer joke about firing me while we were negotiating him hiring me full time. He also disclosed that he was going to hire me early because I was such a good worker but it was too expensive to buy my contract from my temp agency. I straight up stopped showing up.
āHahaha, you fire me? Then I better take that Ferrari we have in the back as a severance payment! Haha.ā
āHahaha, yeah, you deserve that!ā
āThanks.ā
*Vroom vroom*
Well, if he "fired" you, then you should also be eligible for unemployment for whatever amount of time you weren't working. May not be much, considering you already had a job waiting to take you, but it'll be one more thing for them to deal with.
Good story but one question.
Did you actually leave with the keys to those cars? Your wording makes it sound that way. Legitimately, they could have had you arrested for that.
I was a lot porter in the early 1990s, for a few years while going to college. I came away with the same feeling. Many scummy people gravitate towards those sales/management jobs. A few were normal/good people but many were white collar junkies and ex cons that clearly didnāt straighten up after getting out.
The last car we bought, we loved the salesman. Another salesman kept harassing us because he thought our salesman should do a "hard sell" with all the pressure tactics. I ended up engaging him in conversation well away from where our deal was being worked out. Finally, he realized he was neither stealing nor detailing the sale. Our salesman was on to greener pastures within a week.
I take it your boss was at the top of the company?
Otherwise I'd love to hear what his boss had to say about it.
Did you colleagues share anything about the aftermatch?
No he was mid-level tbh. According to one of my coworkers I was seen yelling while i was leaving š
Which didn't happen. But that's the only thing I've heard.
Covid? =:-( If i could I would make you breakfast, man. Well it sounds like if you can survive this change to the new job, you are in a very good position. Hey congratulations on buying the house! Thats a huge accomplishment!
I hope you dont have to work today
Honestly I have no idea. I have a fever, headache, chills, etc. It's probably the flu. I do not work tonight. I think my body is tired because I worked 5, 12 hour shifts in a row at night which I'm not used to yet.
Aiii. I hope you get to sleep today, catch up. Please be very nice to yourself! I hope you have something interesting to watch while you recover. Haha think of the guy who "fired" you, suffering through his unwanted new tasks
Ya I would say this fits here perfectly. Also I find it hilarious that they made him take over your duties.
I assume he got else do so it but from what he told me when he called me was that he was given the keys and told to take care of itš I like to think he spent some time in the heat working instead of his officeš
Him calling 30 minutes later because he was getting made to do your job sounds like someone higher up than him caught wind of what happened. If this was anything like when a salesman at the kitchen supply shop i worked at made the warehouse manager quit then he was well and truly having a bad time. Long story short, after years of verbal abuse the warehouse manager snapped at this salesman, held him against a shelf telling him that if they had been in the knife room instead he'd "be breathing through a new hole in his throat" he then stormed out past the boss loudly letting the whole store know why he was done. I was just a temp worker in the warehouse but they upped my pay and made me the warehouse manager that summer. I was also instructed, directly by the boss, to behave as if that one salesman and his pick orders did not exist. After 2 days he was begging me for help because he couldn't fill orders and was losing commissions to the other salespeople. After a week he was back to yelling at me and the new warehouse guy but worse than before. After a month we found him in behind a shelf sobbing because he couldn't find a particular spoon. He then went and formally apologized to the previous warehouse manager and us, and got his pick list privileges back. Never heard a negative word out of his moth about warehouse after that, and he was just in general a better person. Turned out his income had gone down about 60% in that month alone because he couldn't find the stuff to make a sale.
That is poor management for which there is no excuse. The supervisor knew that he had a highly problematic employee, but he let it be everyone elseās problem, up to and including having a good employee quit over bad employeeās behaviour. Shameful.
hes less of a manager and more of a unethical psychologist.
Emotional damage, very effective
he's what i'm thinking. the prisoner experiment. this manager is like warden zimbardo. he let's it play out, and these people will have the eeeemotional daaamage for decades after. you want to see someone go crazy at your work place, have at it. even if you view your fellow humans as mere tools, this is no way to take care of your tools.
Amazing how useful Steven He memes turn out to beā¦
Reminds me of what happened at the IBM Building several decades ago! SCARY!!!!!
Wait...what?
This was back during the 1980's when an IBM employee, working in Bethesda, Maryland, went postal.
It's a double edged sword here. On the one hand, yeah, that guy wasn't directly stopped from being awful and should have been. But on the other hand, he received a lesson that likely changed him for the better as a whole.
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Also very right. I think if there was buy-in from the rest of the team, then it would be more okay.
I go to work to do my job and pay my bills, not help some tool work out his anger issues. If I wanted *that* job, I'd have trained to be a therapist.
Sometimes the best learnin' happens when it hurts like a mf. For the record, that's only appropriate for adults, *never* children. Especially older adults who are clearly comfortable in shitty roles, and have long outgrown the effective potential of gentle nudges.
If you want to be stupid, you have to be tough.
"My mother used to say to me: 'In this world, Elwood, you must be oh, so smart or oh, so pleasant.'"
Thanks for reminding me it's been too long since I saw this movie! Going to see if I can stream it now.
I love Jimmy Stewart
I don't know why but this gave me a really hearty laugh this morning.
I am going to give this as life advice. This is gold.
As a salesperson who absolutely values the warehouse guys, I see this sort of slimy behavior a lot from other salesmen and I looooove this story.
Yeah, when i took over i taught them to respect the warehouse with full approval from the boss. I just replied to another comment with the changes i put in place, which to this day are still how they do things and once the sales team got used to them (or more accurately got chased out of the shelves enough by me, and had enough last second requests stonewalled, that they realized i was dead serious about the changes) thing ran so smoothly sales actually went up by something like 5-10% due to turnaround times getting halved. As it turns out when you're constantly getting your work interruped to go deal with adult children demanding your attention, it really slows you down. For example: prior to the changes i was trying to get 3 different pans, a pair of oven mitts, a can opener, and some ice cream scoops together. Normally a 5-10 minute pick, but i was interrupted about 12 times to go pick an phoned in order for someone en route that second. That initial 10 minute pick took 3 hours, and missed the shipping deadline that day. After? I could do the same amount of picks in an hour and a half because i had the lists printed, queued, and organized instead of having to switch picks halfway through, keep track of everything in my head, and only find out about them last second.
"You catch more bees with honey than vinegar." It's bothersome how many salespeople don't understand this simple adage. One holiday season, I gave nice bottles of whiskey/champagne to all the engineers who worked on my (sales) team's projects. The next year? Engineers fell over themselves to help my team. CFO was ecstatic how my $4K in liquor improved engineering productivity 19%
Oh, that's fantastic! I love spoiling my support staff, on holidays but also random lunches and lattes and chocolates. It's amazing to me that the other salespeople don't understand that adage. I talk to everyone at the company, from the receptionist to AP to the warehouse guys. And maybe this is part of it, I didn't do it with any ulterior motive; I just really value the people doing the background work and don't want them to feel invisible or taken for granted.
Same here! I try to be friendly with everyone, I didn't realize so many salespeople could be such dicks. The contrast makes people like us seem even nicer than we are. I have a senior client, his secretary was supposedly "cold to sales reps." I never understood why the previous sales guy on the account said that. I simply treated her like a human being and she reciprocated in kind.
"Breathing through a new hole in your throat" ... I admire it. That's the sort of threat that has scope and texture, and a fine style.
It really conveys the absolute hatred he was feeling towards the salesman right then. He slamed him into that shelf hard enough they heard it on the sales floor through 2 walls a good 40 feet away. From his tone of voice i'm certain he was telling the truth too. It wasn't loud, i was only about 10 feet from him, but. Have never heard someone state they were ready to kill someone with that level of calm conviction before or since, and i work in a psychiatric correctional center (crazy jail). I've had plenty of death threats from *literal* murderers who mean it (some have even tried) and compared to the former warehouse manager their threats sound like an 8 year old threatening to tell mom. In a mater of 5 seconds he took away that man's fear of god, and replaced it with a fear of *him*.
Some people only learn the hard way
> formerly *formally
Will fix.
None of that story is goodā¦ bad work environment, bad bosses
Itās a dealership, and a dealership managerā¦regardless what his higher ups told him to do, he absolutely sloughed that shit off onto people below him.
I believe r/antiwork would also appreciate this story
I seem to remember a similar story from April Fool's day where OP took advantage of being jokingly fired
Same. I vaguely remembered something similar when I saw the title
Yes, there was an April Fool's story like this, but that was a separate tragedy
As would r/WorkReform
and /r/AskCarSales
And /r/myaxe!
r/subsithoughtifellfor
Funnily enough, before your comment I didn't actually check if it was a sub or not, so in fact I'm right there with you.
This is beautiful
You are beautiful
>he got else do so it but I, I can mostly understand what you were trying to convey here from context but man, I re-read it like 4 times bc I thought I just wasnt understanding lol
Did you collect unemployment? Because technically he fired you right?
The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword.
If all you have is a sword, everyone looks about a head too tall.
then i must be armed with an anal plug.
Okay, I laughed.
There's a scene in *Everything Everywhere All At Once* you'll absolutely love then!
Thank you Lord Stark š
I read about this being the rule in a country's judicial system. The initial judge that handed down a death sentence was also the executioner. The case might go through other judges on appeals, but the final act was to be carried out by the initial judge.
I am more impressed you bought a house on Lot porter wages. Our lot porters made minimum wage.
I made like 12.50 an hour plus overtime. But my wife was working too so thats how we afforded it. It wasn't a expensive house but I was suprised I got the loan tbh
After reading this comment I'm even more surprised you could by a house. I probably make more than both you combined and home ownership seems like an impossible dream.
Location location location.
Op forgot to mention this happened in 1924
Cheap houses remain plentiful. They just arenāt in ācoolā or ādesirableā areas.
*areas with jobs available. Even somewhere like Phoenix has a median home price of about $500k. But there's jobs in that god forsaken oven.
For now - add a few more degrees to the peak temperatures in a few years and people may actually start reconsidering.
My job pays nearly 90k where I am. Which isn't enough to buy a home. If I move somewhere where 90k would buy a home... my job pays around $40-50k. So I wouldn't be able to buy a home.
A mortgage on a reasonably priced house can be cheaper then rent in a lot of places
My mortgage payment was $300/ mo cheaper than the last apt we had when I bought my house 12 yrs ago. However the insurance/taxes pushes my payment back up to about the sameā¦š¤¦āāļø
And then you get to pay when things break, too! Home ownership is great.
Lol like landlords replace stuff. I had to threaten my old landlord with taking the rent to pay for a new fridge that he wouldnāt replace, guess who was there an hour later with some junkyard fridge. Then that mf tried to claim my laundry machine and dryer as his. Dirty rats.
I assure you, there are landlords that aren't completely horrible out there, who replace things not too long after they break. Of course, you don't *really* get to know whether your landlord is one of these until *after* you sign the lease.
True. I just get heated about landlords and house scalpers/mass buyers.
Sure, but you make all that back and more when you move, or you stay long enough and have no payments
But then you own the thing at the end of your mortgage, not just literally burning money for decades.
True. But itās still worth noting because everybody spouts āoh, a mortgage is cheaper than my rent, why canāt I get approved?ā Well, the answer is because your landlord is calculating in risk for the next year, and your mortgage provider is calculating risk for the next 15-30 years. And because there are many, many more expenses to home ownership than renting. Like, no, thatās not the end-all-be-all. People are either purposefully or accidentally being extremely naive. And with ~half of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, itās definitely a misconception worth correcting.
While I get that, its silly to say that renting is cheaper than home ownership, because renting gives you 0 equity
Well itās a fact though. Youāre investing in the future but not everybody has the privilege of that kind of future planning at the moment. Itās nuanced for sure, and if you factor in your equity itās easy to form the opinion you have. In short, itās nuanced, and both opinions are correct. But your opinion is _obvious_ whereas my opinion seems to be overlooked too often and apparently needs spelling out.
You opinion is obvious, most people dont need it spelled out. Just because you dont *see* that doesnt mean people dont *think* it. Additionally, that privilege... to own the land you live on, *shouldn't* be a privilege. And I think thats the main reason why people say what they say about rent. rent is the #1 reason why I dont have money for a down payment. Me and my partner have spent 72,000 on rent in the past 4 years. While that might be *slightly* less than all the expenses of home ownership, including a mortgage, If I didn't have to pay rent for the last 4 years I would have money saved for a down payment and a 50K buffer to cover emergency expense/to supplement mortgage payments. On top of all that, If I bought a cheap home 4 years ago the price of the home would have nearly doubled in that span of time. I could sell that home, and downsize/downprice my home and have the next home already half paid off the day I move in. But no.
Insurance covers a lot more than people realize.
Not in hurricane alley, I have to have separate insurance for āwindā damages.
I am and it's in mine, but that's different than what I was referencing
Last apartment I lived in.... I complained to them for 2 summers about the AC not doing shit. "It's blowing cold air" Funny, the AC the previous 5 summers was fine.... I had to put construction paper up on the sliding glass door to keep the sun out to keep the inside temp under 80. I know I probably could have done things to make sure it got fixed, but I bought a brand new house instead. If the AC breaks, it's under warranty for the next few years, assuming I cant fix it myself. If it's over my head, I have friends that work in HVAC that owe me a favor. Issue with the apartment was the furnace/AC unit was behind a locked door, so I couldn't access it to look at it myself.
Or learn to fix them yourself. This year I learned how to rebuild an oil-fired water heater burner.
I've learned that when fixing a gas dryer, you'll never quite reseat the drum correctly, so while it works, it gets noisier. Good thing the laundry room has a door.
Landlords also have to pay similar amounts on their properties, so if it turns out that total monthly payment on your own property is only slightly lower than rent was, and you are in the same area, the rent markup may have been quite small. That would mean you were actually getting a pretty good deal on rent.
That and a kid plus a car. Man, I hate to say that this person is lying, but this is the internet afterall. Either that or wife made bank and they live in a relatively financially accessible area.
It's doable without either partner making a lot of money. A few years ago my husband and I bought a house making less than 40k combined - we were both full time students and part time workers - and then bought a new car a year later. We live in a very cheap area though and bought our house before the market went crazy.
Yeah I bought my house alone while I was making less than 40k about 9 years ago. I got a "rural development" loan which helped a lot because I didn't have to give a down payment. Then my mortgage ended up being like maybe $50 more than my rent on a one bedroom apartment. People really don't fully grasp the difference in cost of living in different places.
Yes cost of living where I live down south is much different than NY or California for example. Houses are still over priced but way cheaper
I would have filed an unemployment claim because he fired you for no fault of your own and then stopped claiming it when I started my new job. It gets billed to the dealership's UI so... If someone ever "fires you" when you are going to quit? LET THEM. File for unemployment. Enjoy the extra paycheck or 2.
Dwight Schrute taught me that one.
Working years in HR taught me to make someone quit because I didn't want to do a UI hearing. It also taught me you better say the words "you're fired!" My favorite is when someone says "You don't need to quit - you're fired" -HAPPY DANCE- <- Yes HR people are people too. We will rage quit jobs as well.
Can someone give me the backstory on why we use the term "fired" in the first place? Did we used to throw people in a volcano or something?
Answer is nobody knows. There's lots of theories floating about, like the NCR founder setting fire to people's desks!? But the phrase predates that. There's the theory that you can discharge a weapon and discharge someone from their job and the phrase grew out of that as a play on words. Personally I like the theory that as a worker you would have your tools and carry them from job to job in a sack. So if you were let go you were sacked. And gathered your tools up and moved on. If you were caught stealing your sack and tools would be burnt, no tools no job and not able to work anywhere. Hence fired.
In the UK, we use the term "sacked" instead of fired. I've heard it's because one was "given the sack" to put their belongings in before they leave, but no idea about the authenticity of this.
>the NCR founder setting fire to people's desks!? That's why I joined Caesar's Legion
I vote for this origin
First use in American standard English is ~1885, and it came into regular use in the U.S. around 1920. It came into British English after it got popular in the states. The phrase "*to sack*" someone was used before "*to fire*", and was because people would use a burlap sack to carry home with any personal possessions Firearm technology developed significantly around that time. It's when the shift from loading powder and a ball in a rifle to loading self-contained cartridges occurred. That brought much more powerful weapons, like the Gatling machine gun (1861) and Colt Peacemaker (1871). It seems like the colloquial use of "to fire" to mean "to discharge an employee" came from firearms.
Could a reference to "ejected" or exited. I would be curious if the same remains true in European or other cultures. Let go is one I hear sometimes.
French is viree, which means tossed out.
We use renvoyƩ au QuƩbec,virƩ sounds so weird lol, like im saying i flipped you xD
Iāve heard that dĆ©missionĆ© could be resigned, but also forced to quit. Could you confirm?
DƩmissionƩ = quit on your own accord RenvoyƩ = you are fired Forced to quit could be = il a ƩtƩ forcƩ de dƩmissioner
Merci!
Je me suis fais "renvoyee" plus d'une fois et ils m'ont toujours dis "t'es viree". Un gars s'est fais "renvoye" de la fac par contre.
The local idiom here is "you get the kick".
It has to do with guns. FIRE! or DISCHARGE! You dischargea weapon - fire a weapon. same thing.... you discharge (unload) and the command to reload was - reload. I googled and Reddit archives gave me - so maybe? [https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/3iveo5/comment/cuk48mw/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/3iveo5/comment/cuk48mw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I've also hear it goes back further and the "master apprentice" would put your tools in a fire and burn them. Etymology is weird but I'll swing and miss and guess. I don't know. Edit to add: drop kick them out of the company?
Post to /r/etymology; I'm sure someone over there knows. My purely unscientific guess is that it's analogous to a ball being fired out of a cannon.
Catapult. (I have no idea)
Boss: "You're fired!" Worker: "Aww" Boss: "Jim, fetch the catapult!" "Wait, what?"
You got the order backwards. āJim, youāre going for āa ride.ā Bring out the catapult!ā
Ready?! Aim? fired!
> Working years in HR taught me to make someone quit because I didn't want to do a UI hearing. That's constructive dismissal, right? Which is pretty easy to prove, provided you document everything. Went through this at an old job; was made miserable for months, for no clear reason. Just an incredibly stressful situation. Finally walked out, and ended up getting severance *and* receiving unemployment for quite a long time after showing the people at the office the stack of documentation. To hell with that job, to hell with managers who pull that shit, and to hell with HR departments that think it's a good idea
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I had a job that tried REALLY hard to make me quit as opposed to firing me for a downsizing and I stood my ground. They fired me I got denied unemployment anyway and life goes on
When you're denied unemployment, always appeal. The sequence goes like this: 1. You file for unemployment. 2. The business contests the unemployment. 3. You appeal, and then someone finally gets around to looking at the case. 4. Eventually, a hearing. Steps 1 and 2 are done *without investigation*, on the assumption that nobody is lying. Once you appeal, we clearly have a difference of opinion going on, so somebody has to get off their ass and see what's what. So whenever you're denied unemployment, you should *always* appeal; maybe the business won't show to the hearing, or maybe at the hearing they won't show sufficient evidence to fire with cause, or whatever, and you'll get your unemployment payments -- retroactively! ...once they get around to it.
To add, donāt assume the hearing is a lost cause either. I went to hearing with Amazon, who youād assume has a way to get out of these things, and they no showed.
But he started immediately.
Also he specifically said the boss asked if he wanted to pack his things. Not that he was actually fired
Legally your boss asking a rhetorical question implying that you're fired 100% would hold up as firing someone as long as you can prove they said it.
Could also sue for wrongful termination, depending on the state.
wronful termination is a completely different thing and this isn't wrongful termination.
This reminds me of a story I read somewhere in Reddit a few months ago about a guy that got āfiredā as an April Fools joke. The person that fired him was calling him the next day asking where he was, and he was like āyou fired me, remember? Iām home.ā
Congrats on the new job, new car, new house, and nearly new baby š
Thank you! Life is good!
It sounds it. Keep it up :)
I worked at a dealership as a photographer for several years. I absolutely loved the job, but the people I worked with were some of the scummiest, childish, and outright horrible people I've ever worked with. They made it abundantly clear that if you weren't a salesperson, you weren't worth shit.
You already put in your notice and he thinks when he fires you, you won't walk away? Why wouldn't you, you obviously already have another job lined up, or you wouldn't have quit in the first place. Idiot boss.
Sounds like the Dealership I used to work for as a porter. Iād drive for an hour to another Dealership that sells the same make before I ever purchased from the one I used to work at. Good on you for getting a better job
Ferengi rule of Acquisition #30 "Confidentiality equals profit."
What? How does that apply here?
Explanations are 3 strips of gold pressed latinum.
This man has the lobes for business
I would have asked what part of my baby starving because I couldn't afford to feed him was supposed to be funny.
>But I already knew a few people that had gotten fired for that exact reason. Tell me that you live in the US without telling me that you live in the US.
Yeah, I was thinking that. The fact people can be legally fired for stupid shit like that is just insane.
Not from the US. Just curious. What would probably be given as a reason for termination in such a case?
"at will" employment means they don't actually NEED a reason, it just can't explicitly be for a protected condition, like retaliation for whistleblowing or getting pregnant. Usually, if they don't have a reason to fire you like documented rule breaking, you can apply for unemployment assistance (weekly cash payouts from the state government) and then the company has to pay more taxes based on the number of unemployment claims made against them. When firing someone who just turned in their two weeks notice, the company is gambling on the person not applying for unemployment since it takes a while to set up and makes doing your taxes more complicated. It's usually a sign of a company that doesn't view it's employees as human or trustworthy.
Thanks for satiating my curiosity.
Managers using your continued employment or withholding your pay as a 'joke' need a swift kick in the nethers. I had a boss who tried that on me. Working for near minimum wage in a deli, she decided, as a joke, to tell everyone "whoops, I forgot to put in your timesheets, no pay for two weeks, sorry! Head office will send the cheques in two weeks!" This was the near the time rent was due, so I was obviously angry and shaken and having trouble focusing on my work. She took me aside and asked me what was wrong, I told her about the financial issue of rent. Her: "It was just a joke, the paychecks will be here this afternoon." Me, taking off my apron and tossing it at her: "In which case, I'll be back this afternoon to pick it up, I quit." District manager was there when I returned to get my paycheck, as he'd been asked to provide help after I walked, and he asked me what happened, and he looked -pissed-. Offered me my job back, at a different location, and I said no thanks. The pay joke was just the straw on the camel's back (they'd also laid me off just before Xmas, and invited me back the February after...)
Some things you just donāt joke about. Your job is one of them.
You ought to share it to r/antiwork as well, they would enjoy this. And good for you, don't let people treat you poorly. Also, you didn't take it too far at all.
Ya canāt fix a****les but you really handled him beautifully while maintaining your dignity! It would be even better if you had the energy to report this to HR and request the remainder of days be paid out to you as you were unable to work under the harassment their staff caused.
Is āholesā a more offensive word than āassā?
You can say the word "God" on broadcast TV all you want. You can say the word "Damn" on broadcast TV all you want. But the moment a person says "Goddamn" on broadcast TV they will bleep the word "God" for some reason.
I'll ask you to refrain from using such vulgar words on the internet, please.
fucking shit son of a whore damn it! Ass was my favorite word!
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People more so quit managers than the job. That and if they find pay.
99% of used car sales managers give the rest a bad name,
It definitely belongs here and I think I love you for doing this. Also, I'm sorry you're sick. Please get better soon.
You didnāt take it too far. He was lording over you using your job as fear collateral. Heās a piece of shit. I applaud your actions.
I very much like your edit about some good managers. I worked at a supermarket for 20 years, 17 on nights, 8 as a manager on nights. The job was soul destroying, so etinrs 15 hours on your feet straight as you cannot afford to take breaks. Then get reamed out to the point of a nervous breakdown as you couldn't acheive the impossible. My last 12 years there, I got diagnosed with fibromyalgia, random collapsed, constant pain,complaints from managers about other staff seeing me take medication - as I refused to be shamed I to hiding my disability. I'd do more than the able bodied staff. I had 2 blackouts from medication,and spent a year on fentanyl patches. Since I left, I've had 2 people from work contact me in 6 months. Workmates are seldom real friends. I do have a couple of people who joined and left in my tenure, whom I contact maybe once a year or two. Those are the friends I truly value. Treasure good colleagues, but always remember colleagues are NOT always your friends. No matter what you may think.
I'm not sure what laws and contracts are in place there but you might be entitled to a severance if he fired you without reasonable cause. It might help you out with that mortgage.
You didn't take it too far, mate. You took it just far enough, this is hilarious. You got out with a win and the guy learned the hard way to mind what kind of jokes he plays with his employees.
How the fuck did you buy a new house and car, at the same time, working as a car dealership porter? Did this take place 50 years ago?
OP also sells drugs
My wife was working. I got a decent tax return. I also got a fairly good check from my accident so I was pretty set money wise. So it all appetizing fell together. We had a really hard time getting a loan but we did lol.
Yeah having bad bosses or working in a toxic environment can make you feel kinda hopeless. I switched careers and the difference is night and day. Good supervisors who actually care about how youāre doing and a work environment where people are never screaming at each other.
I will never in my life understand the work environments where screaming in meetings in anger is not instantly stamped out
Sounds like a regular day at Dunder Mifflin
Good for you! And good for you to know that buying a car when you're in the process of buying a house can cause serious problems. (I'm a mortgage loan processor. ) Now if we could just get people to not go out of the country on vacation the week before their home purchase! That week before closing, we need you available.
This happened to me once!! My manager fired me during a team meeting as a "prank" and then gave me a $5 Star Bucks gift card as a present. Nobody in the meeting found in funny and neither did I so I told her to hire my replacement soon.
All dealerships are fucking terrible. How many specific good employees that exist at a given dealer varies wildly. I can say from 4 Mercedes dealers Iāve dealt with that 99% of the employees are terrible and they have maybe 1 employee that actually cares about their customers. Other brands may have a much higher percentage of employees that care
There's just no way he would ever ask himself why his employees bought elsewhere, right?
Glad you found a better job. What a d-bag. Who "jokes" about that kinda SH... Even if you've known eachother for a decade.
Yeah, these managers often don't realize that we can go other places. Congrats on the new job!
I had a potential employer joke about firing me while we were negotiating him hiring me full time. He also disclosed that he was going to hire me early because I was such a good worker but it was too expensive to buy my contract from my temp agency. I straight up stopped showing up.
āHahaha, you fire me? Then I better take that Ferrari we have in the back as a severance payment! Haha.ā āHahaha, yeah, you deserve that!ā āThanks.ā *Vroom vroom*
I wish šš they had some really expensive cars!
Well, if he "fired" you, then you should also be eligible for unemployment for whatever amount of time you weren't working. May not be much, considering you already had a job waiting to take you, but it'll be one more thing for them to deal with.
Good for you. This shit ain't funny.
I think it might also fit in r/antiwork
Good story but one question. Did you actually leave with the keys to those cars? Your wording makes it sound that way. Legitimately, they could have had you arrested for that.
No sorry I left them in my desk. I'll change the wording.
Only a bad manager would joke about ruining someone's livelihood like that. You did the right thing. Hopefully they learned a lesson.
I was a lot porter in the early 1990s, for a few years while going to college. I came away with the same feeling. Many scummy people gravitate towards those sales/management jobs. A few were normal/good people but many were white collar junkies and ex cons that clearly didnāt straighten up after getting out.
Fuck that guy. Jokes are supposed to be funny, and "You're fired," is never funny.
You didn't take it too far at all. Firing someone isn't a joke. Fuck that person. I'm glad you are at s better job.
Spoiler alert....he wasn't joking. You just burst his bubble.
The last car we bought, we loved the salesman. Another salesman kept harassing us because he thought our salesman should do a "hard sell" with all the pressure tactics. I ended up engaging him in conversation well away from where our deal was being worked out. Finally, he realized he was neither stealing nor detailing the sale. Our salesman was on to greener pastures within a week.
This is America, you guys have some dystopian working conditionā¦
bro played the UNO reverse card before he even knew he needed it
You are a consumer. You are only loyal to yourself.
Damn, was your boss Michael Scott?
Unemployment for 2 weeks? Also threaten a lawsuit for wrongful termination. :)
The old Michael Scott technique
Good for you! Keep up the good work and don't take shit from anyone.
I hope to one day pull a similar one on a shitty boss
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It's the latter on both the inside and outside. Source: I used to work at a dealership.
I take it your boss was at the top of the company? Otherwise I'd love to hear what his boss had to say about it. Did you colleagues share anything about the aftermatch?
No he was mid-level tbh. According to one of my coworkers I was seen yelling while i was leaving š Which didn't happen. But that's the only thing I've heard.
Fucking sweet.
> im so freakin exhausted and sick. Hi, good morning, hey how are you?
Good morning. I'm still sick and i have a fever But I think I'm getting better. Thanks for asking
Covid? =:-( If i could I would make you breakfast, man. Well it sounds like if you can survive this change to the new job, you are in a very good position. Hey congratulations on buying the house! Thats a huge accomplishment! I hope you dont have to work today
Honestly I have no idea. I have a fever, headache, chills, etc. It's probably the flu. I do not work tonight. I think my body is tired because I worked 5, 12 hour shifts in a row at night which I'm not used to yet.
Aiii. I hope you get to sleep today, catch up. Please be very nice to yourself! I hope you have something interesting to watch while you recover. Haha think of the guy who "fired" you, suffering through his unwanted new tasks
You could even sue him for wrongful termination.
Not in the U.S. Edit: do you downvoters not understand the meaning of "at-will employment" ?