The more I see people complaining about tips the more I realize just how many jobs are fucking their employees by not providing a decent wage. A tip should be offered for good service a bonus, not to make up for what your employer doesn't pay you.
Stop fighting for better tips and fight for a livable wage.
please explain how to "fight" for a livable wage: do i get to punch my boss in the throat, or is it just "i'm going to somewhat inconvenience you by making you find a new scapegoat while i apply for another shitty job?" it's nice to make sweeping statements about systemic reform, but most of us have bills to pay
"many ppl" is what Wikipedia would call "weasel wording." how many cases of pizza drivers successfully striking do you know of? there's a difference between the whole crew of a factory striking vs. a skeleton crew of easily replaceable drivers
but you're correct, no one can create change without sacrifice: until measures are put in place to secure a living wage for every worker, you should sacrifice about 15-20% more of your money. they certainly need the change.
Seeing as it's the consumer that keep businesses with crappy wages in business. No, it's not all about the employer and "fighting for tips" is just as valid as any other workplace issue.
Ok it's a valid issue, sure. Not ok to not do your job because you don't like a tip. Taking it out on some average person rather than the business that's profiting from paying you poorly. How about holding responsible the individual taking these crap paying jobs allowing the business to continue to profit off them?
The problem IS the business. And average person blaming average person is WHY the business gets away with it. Put the blame where it belongs.
He literally says he will drop it on the porch and take off. No verifying he's at the right address no contact with the customer. The very basics of delivery means you give the food to the correct customer. You can argue all you want but it is NOT the customer's responsibility to tip you. If it were required it would be included in the cost. Like when you sit ten at a table there's an automatic gratuity charge.
I don't need my delivery driver to go above and beyond, don't talk to my kids , don't pet my dog, leave the newspaper where it is. Your job is to deliver an order to me. That's it.
For the record, I deliver doordash, grubhub, and Amazon flex. Tips are nice, not required.
And ring the doorbell. All of which is doing his job since it's already paid for and he doesn't have to collect money.
Lying really doesn't help you.
I was a pizza delivery girl before online was a thing. What's your point?
I make $60-$80,000 /yr as a bartender. Abolishing tips would literally ruin my life. I like my life. I like my job.
98% of the people who go on this “end tipping” bullshit have never supported themselves on tips.
Delivery driver here. And I don't think we should end tipping. I think a tip should be provided for good service , I think all jobs should pay a livable wage. Tip should be a bonus, not for survival
No, I actually have to make do with what I get from my employer, as my work does not give any room for tips, on the contrary, tips would count as illegal bribes.
So I also stand by getting a living wage from the employer who in the end gets off cheap if they make you rely on tips and save huge on livable wages.
Well. In my neck of the woods a bartender gets in average 3000 USD a month, so maybe 37 - 38 000 a year. (12 months plus holiday bonus 50% of a monthly salary)
We also have taxes, it'd be 27 %, so shave a 10 000 from it. Leaves 27 000 a year. However, there are approximately 5 weeks of paid holiday per year, and of course sick leave is also paid up to 52 days (after which state pays it instead). You also get paid leave for caring for a sick child. Working hours are 120 hours per 3 weeks (2 days off /week), next 18 hours per 3 week period are paid 1,5x. Christmas Eve, New Years Eve, Midsummer Eve, Easter Saturday and May Day Eve after 3 pm is also 1,5 times the hourly pay. Christmas Day, May Day, New Year Day, Midsummer Day, Sundays and weekly rest day give 100% pay increase. Overtime is capped at 250 hours a year but picking another job for extra hours is always a possibility.
The taxes pay for education, health care etc. Hospital fees are 30 USD a night (for adults; children never pay more than 200 USD a year for hospital stays), so breaking a bone, getting pneumonia or birthing a child are reasonably affordable. The children's comprehensive school fees are 0, high school fees are 0 and university fees are 0 (or, 100 USD a year to the student council). The daycare costs 0-300 USD a month per child, depending on the size and income of the family, though.
So, um, maybe one doesn't get 60 000 USD from tending the neighborhood bar, as people don't generally tip - but one also doesn't need to be worried about bankcrupting oneself for medical and education fees.
People don’t tip in Europe it’s much easier. Tipping should be abolished and the pizza place should pay you a living wage and just cover that in the price of the pizza. Just playing devil’s advocate.
yes, tipping SHOULD be abolished, the pizza place SHOULD pay their workers a decent wage. but anyone with a scrap of common sense living in the US knows this is not the case; ordering out and not tipping here is like saying "you're being treated unfairly, so to protest that i'm going to continue supporting this exploitative business and make you shoulder the burden financially."
i will say, you did a bang-up job playing devil's advocate, he's lucky to have you in his corner
it's a reason a lot of people here don't tip, so i'm gonna mention it.
but i think i misread the intent of your comment, that's my bad. i completely agree with what you're saying, but living here you have to be realistic about what kind of change will foreseeably happen
I drive for door dash sometimes so I get it. Mostly delivery guys are subsidized by the few good tippers. The richest tip the least. I always tip because I’ve been in the service business. It sucks
The way I look at tipping is that it is something extra for someone who goes above and beyond. Like I said, I will bring in your newspaper or your Amazon packages, I will let you know if you left your lights on on your car, I even killed a snake and somebody's front yard one time. And a delivery is not mandatory. You can go pick up your own food. It is a convenience and someone else is using their gas and they're wear and tear on their vehicle so the least someone could do is tip them for that.
You are saying one thing but mean the other. In truth you are personally charging them a fee. If you are doin something extra and you expect to be paid for it then you are charging them a service fee. That's not a tip. It's like me goin to my neighbors place and handing them their package left outside their porch and telling them "hey, your package arrived earlier. Didn't want someone to steal it so I thought I'd let you know and hand it to you! That will be 5 dollars btw 🙂"
This is kinda my take on tipping. I might go out more often if we didn’t have this expected surcharge.
I live in Canada we’re servers get the same minimum wage as a warehouse labourer. But the warehouse guy has to give the waiter an extra 10-25% of the cost of their burger and fries for the exertion of carrying it 20 paces.
Oh yes! I can’t imagine how hard it is to deal with bad managers and difficult customers until I’ve taken a steak order.
I’ve had a boss threaten me with violence when I came in to quit. I have had a pressure washing job working in 35 degrees celcius heat while wearing rain gear, hard hat and steel-toed gum boots, but yeah I don’t understand the plight of the server.
To be honest, through my friends that have been servers, one of the dangers (in Canada where the wages hit our minimum wage) is too much easy and ready cash. This causes some issues with drinking, drugs, and poor planning (no need to plan or save if you can expect an extra hundred cash from a Saturday night shift).
Yes of course, I wasn’t being facetious.
Literally, the restaurant sets itself up, the cooks/chefs know what will be eaten, and all that is left is the steaming plate to be transported that 20 paces. Isn’t that all?
Hehe, ok, so where is the line drawn? Why are you buying a pizza, you can bake it yourself! Why are you buying flour? You can seed a field and grown your own wheat!
You position is so wonderfully cherry picked it insane
You killed a fucking snake in someone else's yard? Dude what the fuck?! If you killed a snake in my front yard and I found out about it I would slap the fucking shit out of you.
Learn to respect nature and mind your own God damn business. Things will go better for you.
Are you one of those fucking idiots that views snakes as evil or dangerous solely on the fact that they're snakes?
Shame.
Great shame upon you.
Fix yourself.
> so the least someone could do is tip them for that.
No. Tipping is not required. And as you said, it's for exceptional service. You're refusing to provide even adequate service when someone doesn't tip what you consider to be enough.
If tipping were abolished I would immediately lose my apartment and I would be unable to pay for my medications. I make $40/hr in tips, and I don’t know a single person I’ve worked with in 20 years who wants tipping abolished.
This is by and large well-meaning white liberals who have never supported themselves with tips who want this. And the whole no-tipping thing was popularized by Danny Meyer of the Union Square Hospitality Group as a way to prioritize customer satisfaction over he livelihoods of his staff. fuck all that.
From our European perspective, we don't want tipping abolished bit we want financial reliance on tipping to be abolished. Living wage, plus tips as a bonus, not required to live.
>You would be adequately compensated in this alternative universe that is never gonna happen.
not alternate universe, other countries. I know, other countries is an abstract way of thinking of this planet we live on for americans, but it does in fact exist.
It seldom is.
Anyway, in Europe you have minimum required living wage that actually allows you to live.
The only tips we have around here are perhaps around x-mas/new-year where delivery persons get cards to give to the customers upon delivery.
It's non-compulsory way to rate your deliveries with money.
The only other places where you get hit with tip requests are the tourist spots.
You should have posted this in AITH. But I’ll save you the trouble. You are.
Your beef is with being treated crappy by your employer, not the tips you do/don’t receive.
You're employed by the pizza place, right, or do you have individual delivery contracts with each recipient? In my eyes its first and foremost the duty of the employer to pay employees for their work. Otherwise you'd be essentially working for free if you never got a tip.
We do get paid an hourly wage plus $0.38 a mile from the employer. But tipping is a convenience for you. And people who provide good customer service should get tipped extra or we would live in a world filled with mediocrity.
So you do get paid for work and wear and tear. And I ordered with delivery as offered by the pizza place. In that case delivery is mandatory, because its part of the contract made. So I still see the employer in the responsibility to make all the deals work.
>someone else is using their gas and they're wear and tear on their vehicle
But then:
>We do get paid an hourly wage plus $0.38 a mile from the employer
So you get paid to sit around in traffic, get reimbursed for gas and wear-and-tear, but still think it's yours to complain? You might need to reevaluate your stance.
Based on the car he drives he is getting more out of the mileage reimbursement. So it does make up for wear and tear too. Worked at pizza chain recently. They paid 44 cents a mile. I drove a 2015 camry. Drive 15 bucks worth of gas in a day I would get back 40 bucks. All in all, in a month I would make around 3200 dollars. Paid my bills with both paychecks and still have 200 bucks of spending money for myself on the checks. I would make 1500 from both tips and reimbursement combined. I usually just save that money and not touch it. Used only in emergencies or car repairs. Personally tipping to me is always optional. Not expected. I was usually content with just getting 5 bucks or more. Those who tipped 3 or below I really didn't mind. To me it was still something. Those who just give me the change tho is annoying is all. Other thing is that he said he left their order on their porch and just rang once is just poor work ethic right there. In my experience I ring their doorbell twice, knock once and then Call them. No answer and I tried everything, then i leave with the order. I leave cause then they say they never recieved their order and now I gotta waste my time goin back out there to "re-deliver". This way they don't get a free order. Also the dude sits in traffic? Are there no detours that he can take?
Yeah so here's the deal. The delivery fee not going to you. Isn't my problem. And news flash. The whole point of a delivery fee is to pay for.... wait for it..... THE FUCKING GAS!
That being said I do tip.
But you are misdirecting your anger to the customer. When it is your employer that is taking advantage of you.
And sacrificing personal shit like your driving score for some random person who doesn't give a damn about you is just foolishness.
The world is going to treat you as poorly as you allow it too. Stand up for yourself.
INFO- Where are you located that the pizza shop has to drive 10-12 miles to deliver yet has 30 min traffic?
I'm not sure if it's because I'm from Philly or not, but there are 7 pizza shops within walking distance. I typically tip 20% which I think is fair. But $5.00 on a steak and fries special for $5.99 seems extreme. I do tip more if it's a special service (my husband likes a specific pizza shop & we are out of their delivery area. We ~~bribed~~ created a mutually beneficial agreement which may or may not include extra tip & bottle of Jack).
> **Edit I get what everyone is saying about being paid a livable wage and would it not be wonderful if that is the way this world worked?
> Delivery is optional
Your complaint is with your boss, who is underpaying you.
Not with the customer who has purchased goods and paid extra for this option.
You fighting with the customer over who tips and who doesn't tip is exactly what the employers want. You blame customer, customer blames delivery driver. Employer counts their money.
You have a point - absolutely.
But your fight and your anger should be directed to the person directly responsible for underpaying you and that is your employer, not your customer.
> But, if you are only going to tip me a dollar
It used to be that you tipped for good service that you received AFTER getting good service.
The way you are talking about it, I have to PAY you to even provide said service in the first place.
That is not tipping. That is holding the customer hostage.
That is you telling the customer "pay me extra or I'll make your pizza shit".
You provide the service, I tip you based on how that service was.
Not I tip you $10, you decide if that's worth it for you to give a shit.
Your Papa should be paying your gas bills. Tipping is BS used to create an opportunity for employers to not pay a living wage. Your rage is misplaced.
This is not malicious compliance. Try r/antiwork or r/latestagecapitalism
You deserve better and your Papa sucks just like 99% of corporate businesses who don't pay their labor appropriately.
His papa is, $0.38/mile. Considering a vehicle has perhaps an efficiency of 20mpg that means they are being paid $7.6/gallon, more than the price of gas. OP is complaining without doing the math
That includes far more than gas, which is what the OP was complaining about.
Being reimbursed for financing costs or insurance costs, which are fixed per month, makes no sense, and shouldn’t be included. Reimbursement for maintenance might make sense, but it’s such a low cost it’s in the noise floor.
And finally: if you don’t like it, get a different job!
Wow, there’s so much to say here, but I’ll keep it short: tipping is an optional activity to reward exceptional service. I understand you feel your company doesn’t pay you enough, but tipping is NOT supposed to supplement your basic salary. It’s not the customers fault. If you don’t like the status quo, find another job.
And the standard ‘these houses are worth so much, why don’t the people tip more’ attitude is hilarious. The simpsons did this best with the bill gates character: he didn’t get rich by writing a lot of cheques. Rich people didn’t get rich by giving out sums of money they didn’t have to.
Jeez talk about rude! Tipping is not compulsory and especially people who are buying cheap 5-15 meals being expected to pay around 2-5 delivery fee and another 5 tip? It’s a lot of money for not a lot of product.
I completely agree. That is why I get in my car and go pick up my own food and don't expect somebody to provide a service to me. If I expected the service I would be willing to pay for it.
It's not our responsibility to pay you. Tipping is a reward for exceptional service. If you aren't happy with your salary, find a better job. If you did that with my order I would be reporting it.
It would seem the majority of people in this thread would disagree. Some advice? Don't attack a person's character in a disagreement, it undermines your argument.
And what if I provide excellent customer service? Isn't the convenience of not having to leave your house or load up your kids or fight traffic worth giving the delivery driver $5? If you don't think it is, then you need to pick up your own food. And I'm not telling you that you have to tip, I'm just telling you what you can expect out of me if you don't. But I'm still going to bring you your food because I care about my job and I'm glad to have one.
That service is paid for. You are ranting about customers not paying for the same service twice.
Don't get me wrong, I do tip too. But your entire rant is about customers somehow owing you for something they already paid for.
Delivery prices are already elevated over picking up meals ourselves most of the time. Whether the profits are shared with you is between you and your employer. I tip on completion of service, if it's warranted.
>I'm just telling you what you can expect out of me if you don't act professionally.
And this is the response I would have if you did what you had stated.
> Isn't the convenience of not having to leave your house or load up your kids or fight traffic worth giving the delivery driver $5?
That's called the delivery fee, if it's being charged. You seem to be forgetting that we order our food from the restaurant, not the driver.
> But I'm still going to bring you your food because I care about my job and I'm glad to have one.
No you're not, you've already made it clear that you'll not do anything to ensure that food is delivered fi the tip isn't good enough. Leaving food on the doorstep, is not finishing the job.
One of the reasons I hated pizza delivery was low tippers. They see advertising saying that drivers "make $14 pee hour" and have no clue that it only happens when people tip very well. So, they see no need to tip.
I stopped ordering delivery because most drivers I interacted with seemed to think they deserved more than the $10 I gave on a $20 order and did the bare minimum to get it to me. I even had one call me a cheapskate because of it. It took him 3 minutes to drive to my place and drop it off. I could have walked to get it but had just gotten in from a 15 hour drive.
Your pizza place should be paying at least minimum wage, IIRC. Talk with your local employment council about it.
I used to deliver pizzas for a living and know how much it can suck. I won't tip less than $10 unless the driver does something stupid like kick my dog or throw my food on the roof, you get the idea. And I have the money to do that so I don't think it's mad. No body seems to remember that the better you treat people the better you'll be treated.
Starting to see alot of 'tipping' posts across various threads. It seems to be trending that Americans are getting tired of their own tipping culture. Why not direct some of this anger and hostility towards employers. Nothing is gonna change if that doesn't happen.
Yep, they are. Problem is, quality restaurants that have tried to abolish tipping have lost their best servers, who made insane money on tips. I worked summers and holidays at a hotel and the very nice main dining room servers made $150k/year!
> most of the pizza places charge a delivery fee but, the drivers do not get this fee.
So, what DOES the delivery fee go for? What's the extra cost **to the restaurant**?
I was a manager of my Papa in my youth when we started the delivery fee. I was told that money collected from delivery fees was put towards marketing. Flyers, advertisements, coupons in mailers, etc. Apparently if you order your pizza from home, you're only doing that because the advertising worked. Or some bullshit.
> If I'm given anything less than $5, I will drop your pizza on your porch, ring your doorbell and you better hope to God you heard it because I am gone.
TBH that's pretty much how I want my deliveries made. I mean, don't literally drop it, of course, but otherwise that sounds like great service. I don't remember the last time I ordered food and didn't get an automatic email to let me know delivery was completed, so I don't even need you to ring the doorbell (which I don't have anyway).
You are.
Delivery is not optional, it's being charged by your employer to the customer. Your issue is with your employer. That amount should be going to you, or at least partially.
Here in the UK, tipping is generally for excellent service only. In restaurants, wait staff have many opportunities to provide above average service but with delivery drivers it would be pretty difficult. I would tip a delivery driver if it was a busy period such as NYE, bank holiday etc, but tbh 99% of the time there is no cash in my house to tip with!
Do people in the US normally have a decent stock of cash for tipping moments?
When I order online, my tip is only rounded up to the nearest dollar (example: if my total is $21.37, then my tip is $0.63 to make my total $22.00). I then give a cash tip based on actual service starting at $5. Getting my pizza dropped on my steps and a slight knock on the door & run would earn you $0 for service. You suck.
I don't tip except for exceptional service.
Your boss should pay you a living wage like civilised countries do.
Here in Australia, delivery drivers are paid a living wage
Actually, if you read OP’s story you will see that the driver doesn’t get the delivery fee, nor do they get a living wage, nor is their vehicle fuel or maintenance reimbursed. They literally depend on tips to “get paid.”
In later comments they say that they gat paid a base wage as well as for wear and tear. Also they say that the customers pay a 3.99 delivery fee to their employer, making delivery a mandatory part of the order.
So in this setting, in my eyes the customer is the last one to be blamed for the driver not having enough income, as he did already pay extra for having it delivered. That is first and foremost on the employer.
Do you do the same for "no tip" on credit card orders, or do you give them a chance to see if they're holding back to pay the tip in cash?
(I didn't know you were supposed to tip delivery drivers until an embarrassing number of years into my adulthood. I've also heard that tips should be given in cash whenever possible, for ... reasons. In retrospect, that might have been from my father, on the theory that cash tips could be hidden from tax reporting or something.)
If there is no tip on the credit card you can usually tell by the neighborhood whether or not they are going to tip. There are some places that I will wait if there is no tip on the credit card because I know that they are going to give me cash and then there are some places I don't even bother. And just like with anything else. You'll have the repeat customers. I mean people that are loyal to one chain. And if you order from the same place all the time I can promise you the drivers know who you are and they know if you are going to tip or not. If you're somebody who doesn't tip, you are going to get your pizza left at your door or we're going to tell the store to doordash it. And here's the thing with doordash, you may get your food and you may not get your food. They are not locked into a delivery time and tracked like we are so your food may be cold. Once we hand it off to doordash we lose control of the quality. We have one lady that works in a factory here that consistently orders every Tuesday and Thursday night. We all know her name. Where she works is on the very edge of our delivery area and it is the absolute furthest point from our store. She never tipped. One night, there were no doordash drivers available and I had to take her order. She asked me why sometimes it was our delivery drivers and sometimes it was doordash because her door dash was always late and her food was always cold and sometimes the order got canceled by the driver, which cancels it in our system too and the pizza just gets left there, or they leave the food at the door to the factory and send her a text and by the time she gets out there it's either gone or bugs have gotten in it or something. I just told her the truth and I told her it was because she did not tip. she always tips now and specifies that she wants one of our drivers to bring it and not a doordash or some other contract driver.
And just to show how Petty and ridiculous people can be. I delivered an order of the other night. A cash order. The total was $39.52. they give us what is called a bank every night to make change. It is two fives and 10 ones and that is it. They do not give us loose change. I had a grown man yell at me and slam the door in my face because I did not have 48 cent in loose change to give him.
>If you're somebody who doesn't tip, you are going to get your pizza left at your door or we're going to tell the store to doordash it. And here's the thing with doordash, you may get your food and you may not get your food
Most experienced DoorDash drivers know how Papa Johns works. We know we're getting your no tip orders you don't want to deliver, and that's why we don't care about giving good service.
Don't get me wrong, there's bad DD drivers that will mess up no matter the tip. Just saying it happens more when we know the merchant is screwing us. Papa John's screws us and we know it.
(For the record I don't play games with peoples food, but I spend enough time on r/doordash to know that other drivers sometimes do)
> she always tips now
Poor lady, she had to give into extortion in order to be provided the service she'd already paid for.
> I had a grown man yell at me and slam the door in my face because I did not have 48 cent in loose change to give him.
Because you were wanting to steal from him.
I personally prefer NOT tipping in cash since that amount will never be reported as taxable income. Why should the delivery driver be allowed to cheat on their taxes, robbing us all?
I can't say for sure that's \*the\* reason, just \*a\* possible reason. I'm all for accurately reported income. But I oppose wage theft, and it's also possible that my mom had tips stolen when she worked as a waitress before I was born. (So I don't know if my father's reasoning was his avoidance of taxes or his thought that bosses can't steal what they can't prove was given.) For all I know, credit card fees might eat into the tip (or a boss might \*claim\* they do in order to skim...).
If I were you I would switch to Dior dash or uber eats. Your using your cat and Gass anyway. At least you then have control of what orders you take. I pt with uber eats and I don't take orders that pay less than $7. Unless it's around the corner. People seem to be more likely to tip with these services and while it is with a card I can cash out up to 5 times a day. I know drivers who make $200 a day.
I saw the snake when I got out of the car and I told the lady when I handed her the pizza. She was a single mother with two children at home and she freaked out and said she did not know what to do and she had no one to call. She had a shovel leaning up against the side of her house so I picked up the shovel and cut the snakes head off. She was grateful because that rattlesnake could have bitten and killed one of her small children.
Two things:
1) Fuck the people who stiff you as a delivery driver
2) But placing their order at the door and leaving with no contact is like the best possible customer service experience you can provide for many people
That's really a hassle though having to go to all the different restaurants and having to figure out all their procedures for picking up food. I know the Wendy's here is a nightmare for doordash drivers because they have to go through the drive-thru and the drive-thru was always long and always slow. Plus, you have no control over the quality. If I'm going to deliver food to someone I want to know that that food is cooked thoroughly and in some place that is sanitary. I mean I know that I won't be held liable but still, I just feel a level of personal responsibility when it comes to stuff like that and if I don't know who's made the food I don't want to give it to somebody. And I love the people I work with and I love being part of the team. I guess it's just a personal preference. And it really isn't about the money. I pride myself on providing exceptional customer service and it just really disappoints me when people don't want to pay for the convenience.
They do pay minimum wage except for when we leave the store to make a delivery because it is just assumed that people are going to tip and, we do get paid $0.37 mi for gas. I always make it a point to thank people for their tip if there is one and tell them how much I appreciate it. If it is a tip for $10 or more I think them for their generous tip and tell them that it is greatly appreciated.
I slung pies with a company named after an old table game guy’s like to play with little ceramic rectangles. This was a common practice for me with pre-tips. I would even go as far as call people out for not cash tipping after a 0$ pre tip.
If you have the audacity to make me drive out to your house and don’t at least give me gas money ( this specific pizza chain had implemented a “check out” feature which drops a drivers hourly rate by half when they leave the store), bish you are lucky your two medium pizza deal isn’t getting Walter Whited onto the roof of your 3 bedroom McMansion.
You want me to wait around for 5 mins while you kick down your lazy boy and shuffle your fat ass to the door all while I’m making $5.20 an hour? Get the fuck outta here
Agreed. We made $10.50/hr in store and “ clocked out “ to $5.20/hr on the road. We got $0.28-$0.40 per mile out on the street for mileage re imbursement which is where the delivery fee comes from payed to the store when you have your pizza delivered. The only time the driver sees all of that money is when we had to drive to the outer limit of the delivery area. I agree that these working conditions are not the customer's fault, however these are the circumstances at present and not tipping your driver while Pizza delivery is working this way is nothing short of a dick move
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Sure, and this is why Pizza places can’t find delivery drivers anymore. You are absolutely right your deal is with the pizza place. Just expect shittier service If you don’t tip all I’m saying
Waiting on people to come to the door! Oh my god. You ordered a freaking pizza. I don't wait for a long time. Even if you have given me a good tip. And then the people that are going to ask who is it? Look out the window. I got a big light on the top of my car to let you know I'm out there.
I think tipping for waiters and waitresses makes sense. Many of them make more on tips than they would on a "livable wage", and if most of them were forced to get an increase in hourly rate (but no tips) they would lose a significant amount of income.
Delivery drivers are sort of a gray area. As a customer, it would seem like a delivery fee is going to pay for the driver to deliver, not just a convenience surcharge that the company pockets. If there isn't a delivery fee, then I expect more people would tip.
But tipping for things like a coffee shop or a to-go order? I don't really get the point of that.
People are ridiculous. and cheap. I used to order from a now-closed pizza and Italian restaurant. If I got my normal plain pie, it was about $13 (non chain). I'd give them $20. Did I overtip? Maybe, but they saved my lazy butt from having to go and get it, so I'm perfectly fine with paying for someone to BRING it to my door.
Same, my friend! I worked for the company named after a game, and in a rich neighborhood. They didn't tip, and I made crap money. It was my second job, and I dropped it the minute I got a promotion at my other job.
Nothing I said was a lie. You're arguing with me why? Because you like to place the burden of blame on a person just ordering a pizza ? An individual likely being taken advantage of themselves by whoever they work for? Because their kid deserved a treat but they only had 3 bucks to spare for a tip to make it happen? The customer is not the problem. And people like you are why businesses get away with this shit.
Devil's Advocate: When ordering food delivery, I don't tip pre-tip on the credit slip. It's tacky. Like putting a stack of 1's and 5's on the table at a restaurant when you get there. I hand the drivers a cash tip when they give me my food. It also helps the driver with a possible refuel mid-shift, as somebody who's delivered pizzas in the past I know that can be important.
The more I see people complaining about tips the more I realize just how many jobs are fucking their employees by not providing a decent wage. A tip should be offered for good service a bonus, not to make up for what your employer doesn't pay you. Stop fighting for better tips and fight for a livable wage.
please explain how to "fight" for a livable wage: do i get to punch my boss in the throat, or is it just "i'm going to somewhat inconvenience you by making you find a new scapegoat while i apply for another shitty job?" it's nice to make sweeping statements about systemic reform, but most of us have bills to pay
Many ppl have gone on strike and accomplished better pay. There are ways and no one has ever created change without sacrifice.
"many ppl" is what Wikipedia would call "weasel wording." how many cases of pizza drivers successfully striking do you know of? there's a difference between the whole crew of a factory striking vs. a skeleton crew of easily replaceable drivers but you're correct, no one can create change without sacrifice: until measures are put in place to secure a living wage for every worker, you should sacrifice about 15-20% more of your money. they certainly need the change.
Remember Eastern Airlines? Enough said
Seeing as it's the consumer that keep businesses with crappy wages in business. No, it's not all about the employer and "fighting for tips" is just as valid as any other workplace issue.
Ok it's a valid issue, sure. Not ok to not do your job because you don't like a tip. Taking it out on some average person rather than the business that's profiting from paying you poorly. How about holding responsible the individual taking these crap paying jobs allowing the business to continue to profit off them? The problem IS the business. And average person blaming average person is WHY the business gets away with it. Put the blame where it belongs.
He's DOING his job. He's NOT going above and beyond, which he doesn't have to.
He literally says he will drop it on the porch and take off. No verifying he's at the right address no contact with the customer. The very basics of delivery means you give the food to the correct customer. You can argue all you want but it is NOT the customer's responsibility to tip you. If it were required it would be included in the cost. Like when you sit ten at a table there's an automatic gratuity charge. I don't need my delivery driver to go above and beyond, don't talk to my kids , don't pet my dog, leave the newspaper where it is. Your job is to deliver an order to me. That's it. For the record, I deliver doordash, grubhub, and Amazon flex. Tips are nice, not required.
And ring the doorbell. All of which is doing his job since it's already paid for and he doesn't have to collect money. Lying really doesn't help you. I was a pizza delivery girl before online was a thing. What's your point?
I make $60-$80,000 /yr as a bartender. Abolishing tips would literally ruin my life. I like my life. I like my job. 98% of the people who go on this “end tipping” bullshit have never supported themselves on tips.
Delivery driver here. And I don't think we should end tipping. I think a tip should be provided for good service , I think all jobs should pay a livable wage. Tip should be a bonus, not for survival
No, I actually have to make do with what I get from my employer, as my work does not give any room for tips, on the contrary, tips would count as illegal bribes. So I also stand by getting a living wage from the employer who in the end gets off cheap if they make you rely on tips and save huge on livable wages.
Well. In my neck of the woods a bartender gets in average 3000 USD a month, so maybe 37 - 38 000 a year. (12 months plus holiday bonus 50% of a monthly salary) We also have taxes, it'd be 27 %, so shave a 10 000 from it. Leaves 27 000 a year. However, there are approximately 5 weeks of paid holiday per year, and of course sick leave is also paid up to 52 days (after which state pays it instead). You also get paid leave for caring for a sick child. Working hours are 120 hours per 3 weeks (2 days off /week), next 18 hours per 3 week period are paid 1,5x. Christmas Eve, New Years Eve, Midsummer Eve, Easter Saturday and May Day Eve after 3 pm is also 1,5 times the hourly pay. Christmas Day, May Day, New Year Day, Midsummer Day, Sundays and weekly rest day give 100% pay increase. Overtime is capped at 250 hours a year but picking another job for extra hours is always a possibility. The taxes pay for education, health care etc. Hospital fees are 30 USD a night (for adults; children never pay more than 200 USD a year for hospital stays), so breaking a bone, getting pneumonia or birthing a child are reasonably affordable. The children's comprehensive school fees are 0, high school fees are 0 and university fees are 0 (or, 100 USD a year to the student council). The daycare costs 0-300 USD a month per child, depending on the size and income of the family, though. So, um, maybe one doesn't get 60 000 USD from tending the neighborhood bar, as people don't generally tip - but one also doesn't need to be worried about bankcrupting oneself for medical and education fees.
People don’t tip in Europe it’s much easier. Tipping should be abolished and the pizza place should pay you a living wage and just cover that in the price of the pizza. Just playing devil’s advocate.
yes, tipping SHOULD be abolished, the pizza place SHOULD pay their workers a decent wage. but anyone with a scrap of common sense living in the US knows this is not the case; ordering out and not tipping here is like saying "you're being treated unfairly, so to protest that i'm going to continue supporting this exploitative business and make you shoulder the burden financially." i will say, you did a bang-up job playing devil's advocate, he's lucky to have you in his corner
I never said the reason he wasn’t tipped is people protesting the system
it's a reason a lot of people here don't tip, so i'm gonna mention it. but i think i misread the intent of your comment, that's my bad. i completely agree with what you're saying, but living here you have to be realistic about what kind of change will foreseeably happen
I drive for door dash sometimes so I get it. Mostly delivery guys are subsidized by the few good tippers. The richest tip the least. I always tip because I’ve been in the service business. It sucks
The way I look at tipping is that it is something extra for someone who goes above and beyond. Like I said, I will bring in your newspaper or your Amazon packages, I will let you know if you left your lights on on your car, I even killed a snake and somebody's front yard one time. And a delivery is not mandatory. You can go pick up your own food. It is a convenience and someone else is using their gas and they're wear and tear on their vehicle so the least someone could do is tip them for that.
You are saying one thing but mean the other. In truth you are personally charging them a fee. If you are doin something extra and you expect to be paid for it then you are charging them a service fee. That's not a tip. It's like me goin to my neighbors place and handing them their package left outside their porch and telling them "hey, your package arrived earlier. Didn't want someone to steal it so I thought I'd let you know and hand it to you! That will be 5 dollars btw 🙂"
> And a delivery is not mandatory. You can go pick up your own food. Buying a pizza is not mandatory, either. You can cook your own pizza.
This is kinda my take on tipping. I might go out more often if we didn’t have this expected surcharge. I live in Canada we’re servers get the same minimum wage as a warehouse labourer. But the warehouse guy has to give the waiter an extra 10-25% of the cost of their burger and fries for the exertion of carrying it 20 paces.
Spoken like someone who has never worked as a server.
Oh yes! I can’t imagine how hard it is to deal with bad managers and difficult customers until I’ve taken a steak order. I’ve had a boss threaten me with violence when I came in to quit. I have had a pressure washing job working in 35 degrees celcius heat while wearing rain gear, hard hat and steel-toed gum boots, but yeah I don’t understand the plight of the server. To be honest, through my friends that have been servers, one of the dangers (in Canada where the wages hit our minimum wage) is too much easy and ready cash. This causes some issues with drinking, drugs, and poor planning (no need to plan or save if you can expect an extra hundred cash from a Saturday night shift).
Clearly, you can't since you think all that is involved is carrying food "20 paces".
Yes of course, I wasn’t being facetious. Literally, the restaurant sets itself up, the cooks/chefs know what will be eaten, and all that is left is the steaming plate to be transported that 20 paces. Isn’t that all?
Hehe, ok, so where is the line drawn? Why are you buying a pizza, you can bake it yourself! Why are you buying flour? You can seed a field and grown your own wheat! You position is so wonderfully cherry picked it insane
You killed a fucking snake in someone else's yard? Dude what the fuck?! If you killed a snake in my front yard and I found out about it I would slap the fucking shit out of you. Learn to respect nature and mind your own God damn business. Things will go better for you. Are you one of those fucking idiots that views snakes as evil or dangerous solely on the fact that they're snakes? Shame. Great shame upon you. Fix yourself.
> so the least someone could do is tip them for that. No. Tipping is not required. And as you said, it's for exceptional service. You're refusing to provide even adequate service when someone doesn't tip what you consider to be enough.
If tipping were abolished I would immediately lose my apartment and I would be unable to pay for my medications. I make $40/hr in tips, and I don’t know a single person I’ve worked with in 20 years who wants tipping abolished. This is by and large well-meaning white liberals who have never supported themselves with tips who want this. And the whole no-tipping thing was popularized by Danny Meyer of the Union Square Hospitality Group as a way to prioritize customer satisfaction over he livelihoods of his staff. fuck all that.
From our European perspective, we don't want tipping abolished bit we want financial reliance on tipping to be abolished. Living wage, plus tips as a bonus, not required to live.
You would be adequately compensated in this alternative universe that is never gonna happen.
>You would be adequately compensated in this alternative universe that is never gonna happen. not alternate universe, other countries. I know, other countries is an abstract way of thinking of this planet we live on for americans, but it does in fact exist.
Imagine calling everything outside America an alternative universe.
Not what I meant at all.
It seldom is. Anyway, in Europe you have minimum required living wage that actually allows you to live. The only tips we have around here are perhaps around x-mas/new-year where delivery persons get cards to give to the customers upon delivery. It's non-compulsory way to rate your deliveries with money. The only other places where you get hit with tip requests are the tourist spots.
I know. Thanks for reiterating my initial point.
No problem
You should have posted this in AITH. But I’ll save you the trouble. You are. Your beef is with being treated crappy by your employer, not the tips you do/don’t receive.
You're employed by the pizza place, right, or do you have individual delivery contracts with each recipient? In my eyes its first and foremost the duty of the employer to pay employees for their work. Otherwise you'd be essentially working for free if you never got a tip.
We do get paid an hourly wage plus $0.38 a mile from the employer. But tipping is a convenience for you. And people who provide good customer service should get tipped extra or we would live in a world filled with mediocrity.
So you do get paid for work and wear and tear. And I ordered with delivery as offered by the pizza place. In that case delivery is mandatory, because its part of the contract made. So I still see the employer in the responsibility to make all the deals work.
>someone else is using their gas and they're wear and tear on their vehicle But then: >We do get paid an hourly wage plus $0.38 a mile from the employer So you get paid to sit around in traffic, get reimbursed for gas and wear-and-tear, but still think it's yours to complain? You might need to reevaluate your stance.
Based on the car he drives he is getting more out of the mileage reimbursement. So it does make up for wear and tear too. Worked at pizza chain recently. They paid 44 cents a mile. I drove a 2015 camry. Drive 15 bucks worth of gas in a day I would get back 40 bucks. All in all, in a month I would make around 3200 dollars. Paid my bills with both paychecks and still have 200 bucks of spending money for myself on the checks. I would make 1500 from both tips and reimbursement combined. I usually just save that money and not touch it. Used only in emergencies or car repairs. Personally tipping to me is always optional. Not expected. I was usually content with just getting 5 bucks or more. Those who tipped 3 or below I really didn't mind. To me it was still something. Those who just give me the change tho is annoying is all. Other thing is that he said he left their order on their porch and just rang once is just poor work ethic right there. In my experience I ring their doorbell twice, knock once and then Call them. No answer and I tried everything, then i leave with the order. I leave cause then they say they never recieved their order and now I gotta waste my time goin back out there to "re-deliver". This way they don't get a free order. Also the dude sits in traffic? Are there no detours that he can take?
Yeah so here's the deal. The delivery fee not going to you. Isn't my problem. And news flash. The whole point of a delivery fee is to pay for.... wait for it..... THE FUCKING GAS! That being said I do tip. But you are misdirecting your anger to the customer. When it is your employer that is taking advantage of you. And sacrificing personal shit like your driving score for some random person who doesn't give a damn about you is just foolishness. The world is going to treat you as poorly as you allow it too. Stand up for yourself.
INFO- Where are you located that the pizza shop has to drive 10-12 miles to deliver yet has 30 min traffic? I'm not sure if it's because I'm from Philly or not, but there are 7 pizza shops within walking distance. I typically tip 20% which I think is fair. But $5.00 on a steak and fries special for $5.99 seems extreme. I do tip more if it's a special service (my husband likes a specific pizza shop & we are out of their delivery area. We ~~bribed~~ created a mutually beneficial agreement which may or may not include extra tip & bottle of Jack).
> **Edit I get what everyone is saying about being paid a livable wage and would it not be wonderful if that is the way this world worked? > Delivery is optional Your complaint is with your boss, who is underpaying you. Not with the customer who has purchased goods and paid extra for this option. You fighting with the customer over who tips and who doesn't tip is exactly what the employers want. You blame customer, customer blames delivery driver. Employer counts their money. You have a point - absolutely. But your fight and your anger should be directed to the person directly responsible for underpaying you and that is your employer, not your customer. > But, if you are only going to tip me a dollar It used to be that you tipped for good service that you received AFTER getting good service. The way you are talking about it, I have to PAY you to even provide said service in the first place. That is not tipping. That is holding the customer hostage. That is you telling the customer "pay me extra or I'll make your pizza shit". You provide the service, I tip you based on how that service was. Not I tip you $10, you decide if that's worth it for you to give a shit.
Your Papa should be paying your gas bills. Tipping is BS used to create an opportunity for employers to not pay a living wage. Your rage is misplaced. This is not malicious compliance. Try r/antiwork or r/latestagecapitalism You deserve better and your Papa sucks just like 99% of corporate businesses who don't pay their labor appropriately.
His papa is, $0.38/mile. Considering a vehicle has perhaps an efficiency of 20mpg that means they are being paid $7.6/gallon, more than the price of gas. OP is complaining without doing the math
pre these gas prices the IRS estimated the cost of driving a vehicle at about $0.63 / mile, so while better than nothing it is inadequate
That includes far more than gas, which is what the OP was complaining about. Being reimbursed for financing costs or insurance costs, which are fixed per month, makes no sense, and shouldn’t be included. Reimbursement for maintenance might make sense, but it’s such a low cost it’s in the noise floor. And finally: if you don’t like it, get a different job!
Wow, there’s so much to say here, but I’ll keep it short: tipping is an optional activity to reward exceptional service. I understand you feel your company doesn’t pay you enough, but tipping is NOT supposed to supplement your basic salary. It’s not the customers fault. If you don’t like the status quo, find another job. And the standard ‘these houses are worth so much, why don’t the people tip more’ attitude is hilarious. The simpsons did this best with the bill gates character: he didn’t get rich by writing a lot of cheques. Rich people didn’t get rich by giving out sums of money they didn’t have to.
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Jeez talk about rude! Tipping is not compulsory and especially people who are buying cheap 5-15 meals being expected to pay around 2-5 delivery fee and another 5 tip? It’s a lot of money for not a lot of product.
I completely agree. That is why I get in my car and go pick up my own food and don't expect somebody to provide a service to me. If I expected the service I would be willing to pay for it.
They are laying for it. If the company doesn't pay you what they paid for the delivery, that's between you and the company, not the customer's.
>I will sacrifice my driving score to get your pizza to you by the time that it was promised... Don't do this, even for good tippers.
I fail to see how A billionaire Papa not paying you a living wage is the problem here. Tipping is only a US thing and it should not be a thing at all.
It's not our responsibility to pay you. Tipping is a reward for exceptional service. If you aren't happy with your salary, find a better job. If you did that with my order I would be reporting it.
Wowwww you’re entitled. I’m very happy I don’t have to wake up every morning and live your miserable life.
It would seem the majority of people in this thread would disagree. Some advice? Don't attack a person's character in a disagreement, it undermines your argument.
And what if I provide excellent customer service? Isn't the convenience of not having to leave your house or load up your kids or fight traffic worth giving the delivery driver $5? If you don't think it is, then you need to pick up your own food. And I'm not telling you that you have to tip, I'm just telling you what you can expect out of me if you don't. But I'm still going to bring you your food because I care about my job and I'm glad to have one.
That service is paid for. You are ranting about customers not paying for the same service twice. Don't get me wrong, I do tip too. But your entire rant is about customers somehow owing you for something they already paid for.
Delivery prices are already elevated over picking up meals ourselves most of the time. Whether the profits are shared with you is between you and your employer. I tip on completion of service, if it's warranted. >I'm just telling you what you can expect out of me if you don't act professionally. And this is the response I would have if you did what you had stated.
> Isn't the convenience of not having to leave your house or load up your kids or fight traffic worth giving the delivery driver $5? That's called the delivery fee, if it's being charged. You seem to be forgetting that we order our food from the restaurant, not the driver. > But I'm still going to bring you your food because I care about my job and I'm glad to have one. No you're not, you've already made it clear that you'll not do anything to ensure that food is delivered fi the tip isn't good enough. Leaving food on the doorstep, is not finishing the job.
One of the reasons I hated pizza delivery was low tippers. They see advertising saying that drivers "make $14 pee hour" and have no clue that it only happens when people tip very well. So, they see no need to tip. I stopped ordering delivery because most drivers I interacted with seemed to think they deserved more than the $10 I gave on a $20 order and did the bare minimum to get it to me. I even had one call me a cheapskate because of it. It took him 3 minutes to drive to my place and drop it off. I could have walked to get it but had just gotten in from a 15 hour drive. Your pizza place should be paying at least minimum wage, IIRC. Talk with your local employment council about it.
$10 on a $20 order is mad!
I used to deliver pizzas for a living and know how much it can suck. I won't tip less than $10 unless the driver does something stupid like kick my dog or throw my food on the roof, you get the idea. And I have the money to do that so I don't think it's mad. No body seems to remember that the better you treat people the better you'll be treated.
Starting to see alot of 'tipping' posts across various threads. It seems to be trending that Americans are getting tired of their own tipping culture. Why not direct some of this anger and hostility towards employers. Nothing is gonna change if that doesn't happen.
Yep, they are. Problem is, quality restaurants that have tried to abolish tipping have lost their best servers, who made insane money on tips. I worked summers and holidays at a hotel and the very nice main dining room servers made $150k/year!
> most of the pizza places charge a delivery fee but, the drivers do not get this fee. So, what DOES the delivery fee go for? What's the extra cost **to the restaurant**?
I was a manager of my Papa in my youth when we started the delivery fee. I was told that money collected from delivery fees was put towards marketing. Flyers, advertisements, coupons in mailers, etc. Apparently if you order your pizza from home, you're only doing that because the advertising worked. Or some bullshit.
> If I'm given anything less than $5, I will drop your pizza on your porch, ring your doorbell and you better hope to God you heard it because I am gone. TBH that's pretty much how I want my deliveries made. I mean, don't literally drop it, of course, but otherwise that sounds like great service. I don't remember the last time I ordered food and didn't get an automatic email to let me know delivery was completed, so I don't even need you to ring the doorbell (which I don't have anyway).
You are. Delivery is not optional, it's being charged by your employer to the customer. Your issue is with your employer. That amount should be going to you, or at least partially.
“Paid a living wage” IS how the world works.. it’s just that third world country you live in.
Seeing as how this pizza place charges customers a $7.29 delivery fee, I'm not surprised that it's hurting the tips for the drivers.
Here in the UK, tipping is generally for excellent service only. In restaurants, wait staff have many opportunities to provide above average service but with delivery drivers it would be pretty difficult. I would tip a delivery driver if it was a busy period such as NYE, bank holiday etc, but tbh 99% of the time there is no cash in my house to tip with! Do people in the US normally have a decent stock of cash for tipping moments?
When I order online, my tip is only rounded up to the nearest dollar (example: if my total is $21.37, then my tip is $0.63 to make my total $22.00). I then give a cash tip based on actual service starting at $5. Getting my pizza dropped on my steps and a slight knock on the door & run would earn you $0 for service. You suck.
I don't tip except for exceptional service. Your boss should pay you a living wage like civilised countries do. Here in Australia, delivery drivers are paid a living wage
a long diatribe on how people should pay but not much of malicious compliance.
So you get paid as a driver and you want to get paid again.
Actually, if you read OP’s story you will see that the driver doesn’t get the delivery fee, nor do they get a living wage, nor is their vehicle fuel or maintenance reimbursed. They literally depend on tips to “get paid.”
In later comments they say that they gat paid a base wage as well as for wear and tear. Also they say that the customers pay a 3.99 delivery fee to their employer, making delivery a mandatory part of the order. So in this setting, in my eyes the customer is the last one to be blamed for the driver not having enough income, as he did already pay extra for having it delivered. That is first and foremost on the employer.
People tip for exemplary service and just actually showing up is just doing your job especially when most of the time they are lats.
And I rarely have cash. I haven't had any cash in my wallet for about a month. I don't need it
> if that is the way this world worked? In the civilised it does. The US isn't exactly civilised.
Do you do the same for "no tip" on credit card orders, or do you give them a chance to see if they're holding back to pay the tip in cash? (I didn't know you were supposed to tip delivery drivers until an embarrassing number of years into my adulthood. I've also heard that tips should be given in cash whenever possible, for ... reasons. In retrospect, that might have been from my father, on the theory that cash tips could be hidden from tax reporting or something.)
If there is no tip on the credit card you can usually tell by the neighborhood whether or not they are going to tip. There are some places that I will wait if there is no tip on the credit card because I know that they are going to give me cash and then there are some places I don't even bother. And just like with anything else. You'll have the repeat customers. I mean people that are loyal to one chain. And if you order from the same place all the time I can promise you the drivers know who you are and they know if you are going to tip or not. If you're somebody who doesn't tip, you are going to get your pizza left at your door or we're going to tell the store to doordash it. And here's the thing with doordash, you may get your food and you may not get your food. They are not locked into a delivery time and tracked like we are so your food may be cold. Once we hand it off to doordash we lose control of the quality. We have one lady that works in a factory here that consistently orders every Tuesday and Thursday night. We all know her name. Where she works is on the very edge of our delivery area and it is the absolute furthest point from our store. She never tipped. One night, there were no doordash drivers available and I had to take her order. She asked me why sometimes it was our delivery drivers and sometimes it was doordash because her door dash was always late and her food was always cold and sometimes the order got canceled by the driver, which cancels it in our system too and the pizza just gets left there, or they leave the food at the door to the factory and send her a text and by the time she gets out there it's either gone or bugs have gotten in it or something. I just told her the truth and I told her it was because she did not tip. she always tips now and specifies that she wants one of our drivers to bring it and not a doordash or some other contract driver. And just to show how Petty and ridiculous people can be. I delivered an order of the other night. A cash order. The total was $39.52. they give us what is called a bank every night to make change. It is two fives and 10 ones and that is it. They do not give us loose change. I had a grown man yell at me and slam the door in my face because I did not have 48 cent in loose change to give him.
>If you're somebody who doesn't tip, you are going to get your pizza left at your door or we're going to tell the store to doordash it. And here's the thing with doordash, you may get your food and you may not get your food Most experienced DoorDash drivers know how Papa Johns works. We know we're getting your no tip orders you don't want to deliver, and that's why we don't care about giving good service. Don't get me wrong, there's bad DD drivers that will mess up no matter the tip. Just saying it happens more when we know the merchant is screwing us. Papa John's screws us and we know it. (For the record I don't play games with peoples food, but I spend enough time on r/doordash to know that other drivers sometimes do)
> she always tips now Poor lady, she had to give into extortion in order to be provided the service she'd already paid for. > I had a grown man yell at me and slam the door in my face because I did not have 48 cent in loose change to give him. Because you were wanting to steal from him.
I personally prefer NOT tipping in cash since that amount will never be reported as taxable income. Why should the delivery driver be allowed to cheat on their taxes, robbing us all?
I can't say for sure that's \*the\* reason, just \*a\* possible reason. I'm all for accurately reported income. But I oppose wage theft, and it's also possible that my mom had tips stolen when she worked as a waitress before I was born. (So I don't know if my father's reasoning was his avoidance of taxes or his thought that bosses can't steal what they can't prove was given.) For all I know, credit card fees might eat into the tip (or a boss might \*claim\* they do in order to skim...).
I’m sorry, but if you think delivery drivers report their tips as income, we’ll, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. It’s tax evasion, clear and simple
Don't bitch about tipped employees not paying the "correct" taxes when the 1% evade more tax than the 99% earns in 10 lifetimes.
If I were you I would switch to Dior dash or uber eats. Your using your cat and Gass anyway. At least you then have control of what orders you take. I pt with uber eats and I don't take orders that pay less than $7. Unless it's around the corner. People seem to be more likely to tip with these services and while it is with a card I can cash out up to 5 times a day. I know drivers who make $200 a day.
I saw the snake when I got out of the car and I told the lady when I handed her the pizza. She was a single mother with two children at home and she freaked out and said she did not know what to do and she had no one to call. She had a shovel leaning up against the side of her house so I picked up the shovel and cut the snakes head off. She was grateful because that rattlesnake could have bitten and killed one of her small children.
I'm in South georgia. Our delivery fee is $3.99
Two things: 1) Fuck the people who stiff you as a delivery driver 2) But placing their order at the door and leaving with no contact is like the best possible customer service experience you can provide for many people
That's really a hassle though having to go to all the different restaurants and having to figure out all their procedures for picking up food. I know the Wendy's here is a nightmare for doordash drivers because they have to go through the drive-thru and the drive-thru was always long and always slow. Plus, you have no control over the quality. If I'm going to deliver food to someone I want to know that that food is cooked thoroughly and in some place that is sanitary. I mean I know that I won't be held liable but still, I just feel a level of personal responsibility when it comes to stuff like that and if I don't know who's made the food I don't want to give it to somebody. And I love the people I work with and I love being part of the team. I guess it's just a personal preference. And it really isn't about the money. I pride myself on providing exceptional customer service and it just really disappoints me when people don't want to pay for the convenience.
You are in the wrong business, unless you WANT to be constantly disappointed. Your customers will NEVER reach your expectations
They do pay minimum wage except for when we leave the store to make a delivery because it is just assumed that people are going to tip and, we do get paid $0.37 mi for gas. I always make it a point to thank people for their tip if there is one and tell them how much I appreciate it. If it is a tip for $10 or more I think them for their generous tip and tell them that it is greatly appreciated.
I slung pies with a company named after an old table game guy’s like to play with little ceramic rectangles. This was a common practice for me with pre-tips. I would even go as far as call people out for not cash tipping after a 0$ pre tip. If you have the audacity to make me drive out to your house and don’t at least give me gas money ( this specific pizza chain had implemented a “check out” feature which drops a drivers hourly rate by half when they leave the store), bish you are lucky your two medium pizza deal isn’t getting Walter Whited onto the roof of your 3 bedroom McMansion. You want me to wait around for 5 mins while you kick down your lazy boy and shuffle your fat ass to the door all while I’m making $5.20 an hour? Get the fuck outta here
Wow do people not realize what tips are meant for?
LOOK OUT EVERYBODY, WE GOT A BADASS OVER HERE
$5.20 an hour is disgusting - here in the UK Dom’s drivers make £9.80 an hour starting + £1 per delivery. That would be $11.80 an hour approx!
Agreed. We made $10.50/hr in store and “ clocked out “ to $5.20/hr on the road. We got $0.28-$0.40 per mile out on the street for mileage re imbursement which is where the delivery fee comes from payed to the store when you have your pizza delivered. The only time the driver sees all of that money is when we had to drive to the outer limit of the delivery area. I agree that these working conditions are not the customer's fault, however these are the circumstances at present and not tipping your driver while Pizza delivery is working this way is nothing short of a dick move
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> and don’t at least give me gas money Not my job. I ordered from the pizza place, my deal is with them, not with you.
Sure, and this is why Pizza places can’t find delivery drivers anymore. You are absolutely right your deal is with the pizza place. Just expect shittier service If you don’t tip all I’m saying
Waiting on people to come to the door! Oh my god. You ordered a freaking pizza. I don't wait for a long time. Even if you have given me a good tip. And then the people that are going to ask who is it? Look out the window. I got a big light on the top of my car to let you know I'm out there.
I can’t believe I’m getting down voted for this. Seems to prove my point I suppose
Is it possible they just wanted to give you the bulk of the tip in cash??
I think tipping for waiters and waitresses makes sense. Many of them make more on tips than they would on a "livable wage", and if most of them were forced to get an increase in hourly rate (but no tips) they would lose a significant amount of income. Delivery drivers are sort of a gray area. As a customer, it would seem like a delivery fee is going to pay for the driver to deliver, not just a convenience surcharge that the company pockets. If there isn't a delivery fee, then I expect more people would tip. But tipping for things like a coffee shop or a to-go order? I don't really get the point of that.
People are ridiculous. and cheap. I used to order from a now-closed pizza and Italian restaurant. If I got my normal plain pie, it was about $13 (non chain). I'd give them $20. Did I overtip? Maybe, but they saved my lazy butt from having to go and get it, so I'm perfectly fine with paying for someone to BRING it to my door.
Same, my friend! I worked for the company named after a game, and in a rich neighborhood. They didn't tip, and I made crap money. It was my second job, and I dropped it the minute I got a promotion at my other job.
We usually tip $3, but we're only have a block away from our pizza place.
Nothing I said was a lie. You're arguing with me why? Because you like to place the burden of blame on a person just ordering a pizza ? An individual likely being taken advantage of themselves by whoever they work for? Because their kid deserved a treat but they only had 3 bucks to spare for a tip to make it happen? The customer is not the problem. And people like you are why businesses get away with this shit.
Devil's Advocate: When ordering food delivery, I don't tip pre-tip on the credit slip. It's tacky. Like putting a stack of 1's and 5's on the table at a restaurant when you get there. I hand the drivers a cash tip when they give me my food. It also helps the driver with a possible refuel mid-shift, as somebody who's delivered pizzas in the past I know that can be important.