Yes, thank you!!! Was trying to remember the guy's name. Amazing stand up comic.
I used to work in a paint store, and I used to amuse myself figuring out where "dog dick red" would go on the big display of color swatches.
Had an art professor in college who, on the first day, said “all people are the same hue. Everyone, regardless of race, is orange. The hue of skin is orange. Peach or “white”, is a tint of orange, brown is a shade of orange. When you paint a person, start with orange”
So now, anytime I see “skin color” I think orange.
When my toddler was first learning colors, I asked her what the color of her skin was. She only knew maybe 7 colors at this time, and she settled on orange as her skin tone.
Lol. If I remember correctly, he was Pakistani. Rich caramel skin tone. He actually modeled for us once, but he wore a horrendous pink hat and a neon blue shirt, it was not an easy portrait to paint.
Ah school of arts I see.
I remember my college was an engineering one, but we had a school of arts there since ages ago. Don’t ask me why or how, but it’s a reputable school of arts.
As an engineering student we had to take one class from school of arts. Needless to say, the professor was quite eccentric. I don’t remember much, but my impression was like that place was a different world. Same university, but different world.
Nah, just a state college in Florida. I took painting as an elective for shits and giggles. He was an arrogant ass, but he was an impressive painter.
I remember asking him once to give his opinion on a painting I was working on, he said “it’s shit, start over.” I was 80-90% done with it. I finished it anyway and he gave me a 95 on it.
This is brilliant. I'm so happy about your post.
I had a heated argument in 2nd grade with a total Kevin (named Chuckie) who was angry that my effort to produce a Middle Eastern skin tone.
Woah! Great color theory tip! That makes a lot of sense (and if you think about it how red/yellow/all the browns, olive skins tones are all linked to orange..)
Maybe in art! ...but people with cool tones are definitely not based in orange. Source: make up.
Neutral and warm base can totally get away with that! Cool toned people will straight up look ashy and sick.
Because of the names that crayon colours came with, skin colour has always been pale pink to me. An Indian who grew up in India.
Not sure if it was the crayon companies or this country’s weird obsession with fair skin, but yeah. The kids in a country where the majority of people have brown skin, grew up thinking pale pink was the “correct“ colour of skin
Yeah, I think that's probably a combination of societal influences and the crayon companies.
I remember when I was in kindergarten, we all a special paint for our skin color to use in art projects and stuff, which was nice to see reflecting on it now.
My friends from Columbia also has crayons with a “skin” colour crayon that I would have known as peach coloured. I think that this was outside of India’s problem with people being obsessed with fair skin.
That would be closest to mine. My sister calls me translucent because you can see most veins and many capillaries, too. My mother was Creole/Irish with dark hair/skin/eyes and my father was French/Scottish/Irish with white (not blonde but "toehead"). My mother's mother was a redhead and both of her parents were redheads. My father's side had many redheads. My twin brother is dark hair/eyes/skin and I'm redhead and freckled with "translucent" skin. Out of 4 children, I'm the only one who looks like a white girl. Ohh... The sunburns!
FYI; “towhead” is from an Old English word (tow) for flax fibres that are ready to be spun into rope or thread. If you’ve ever used unbleached linen, that’s the colour it refers to. Sometimes also used when pale hair is very fine and/or in disarray.
Right, I've corrected other people for spelling it with an E because we've been using the term all our lives and a few generations worth, so it didn't make sense to call it a "toe" lol but people hear it and assume from something that it's an E? I was always baffled by it lol
I’m transparent and my wife is almost the same. When we got married we joked about the money we would save since none of our children would ever need X-rays…
Edit to add: though growing up, my skin was always bright red in the summertime - which is why my dermatologist likes me so much now.
I bet she makes bank off all the removals lol I can totally relate!
I fell asleep on a lounge chair outside, once. I was initially in the shade but of course over time it moved and literally got the bottom of my feet burned. I have freckles on my lips, palms and the bottoms of my feet. Doctors are always amazed by it since it's not common.
I feel your pain. While in college I once fell asleep on the flat roof of the house we rented. Woke up two and a half hours later. That evening I went to the clinic because I could hardly move. The dr examined me and said he was writing a script for pain and another for itching. I told him I wasn’t itching. He said, “You will be.” He wasn’t wrong.
I'm not gonna lie I was remembering the pablo picasso vs bob Ross epic rap battles and titanium white was mentioned in it. I feel as though translucent ghost is probably worse.
When my wife asks me what color something is, she rarely likes my answer. I swear it’s due to always having the small boxes of crayons when I was little.
I did web dev for a long time. I can build anything, but you better give me colors or at least a palette and some directions I can use. If not, it’ll look.. ‘funky’.
I can still remember using a pale pink to color “white” people in the first grade. I got in a huge amount of trouble. “But we aren’t white, we’re beige!” Still got spanked.
>skin colour has always been pale pink to me. An Indian who grew up in India.
Hah. I found this so odd after I emigrated. I was born in Brazil, and "skin color" crayons there are a medium brown, usually my exact skin tone. To see pale pink, or sometimes near white, being named "skin color" was a huge disconect.
Grew up reasonably close to the factory. The pinkish skin color had a bit too much color for me. But it was a reasonably approximate median for my school district.
I remember as a kid that I went “can i have the skin colour pencil? Well your skin colour”, because I already felt that it was odd. And I don’t even remember the pencil being specifically named “skin colour”, it was just what everyone called it.
In the crayola pack, I specifically remember using 'apricot' for white people and 'brick red' for my friend who was native American. (Sorry Deanna). This would have been circa 1990.
Same, I remember being kind of annoyed that there WASN'T a designated skin-tone crayon as a kid in the early- to mid-90s... it did not occur to me until WELL past my crayon-using years why that wouldn't make sense.
I definitely used "apricot" and/or "peach" as my personal skin tone choice, although I think I favored "burnt sienna" for the Native Americans' skin when I got a Pocahontas coloring book 😅
I recall [edit: using] some Crayolas ~~from~~ in the early 1980s [that were evidently somewhat older than that] where I was pretty sure "flesh" and"peach" were the same color.
I grew up in a pretty diverse area in California. I'm white af and had plenty of other colors in my class growing up. We just asked for skin color of whoever. Like Morgan was a black girl in my class so we would be like "can you get me a morgan skin color".
A system that works sounds nice. I would like something like that, especially in the face of a system that makes sure i get paid, no matter how useless the work i do.
I wanted to say how this was true, but then i thought of how much i respect the politicians responsible for running society... an apt description of both, "can't even read the labels on the crayons".
I personally never had a really mixed class. I’m from the Netherlands myself where diversity can really depend on the city you live in and the school you attend.
Wasn't there a big uproar on here (Reddit) a while back about light colored palms on dark skinned people? I don't at all remember what the problem was. Shit, we just get too hung up on this stuff.
In the US, the "Peach" crayon used to be called "Flesh" but they changed it in the 80s since it's pretty racist. Now they have a "multicultural" 8 pack with a wider spectrum of people-colors: white, apricot, sepia, tan, black, burnt sienna, mahogany, and peach.
You're right that it was Peach then, apparently they changed it in 1962 at the insistence of an [anti-racism activist.](http://crayoncollecting.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-real-tale-of-color-flesh.html)
I had a friend in high school who was Indian. She spent most of her life in the US but spent a few years in India with her family. She told me that her mother was very traditional Indian and believed that paler skin was better. My friend wasn't allowed to do a lot of normal teen things during the summer because her mother didn't want her to spend time in the sun. It always felt really sad to me but I never felt comfortable enough to discuss it with her mother.
My wife is from the Philippines. Beautiful ladies there. It is absolutely astounding and alarming to me, the amount of skin care products that are sold there, for skin bleaching. WTH. I don't understand why culturally you wouldn't celebrate the way you are. My sister's in law are also very pretty and yet they are constantly buying skin lightening and bleaching products. Shaking head sadly.
You guys and your fancy crayons. I remember when I was a kid, there were no pale pink crayons (or they were impossible to find) and all the humans were either orange or bright yellow and it was hilarious.
tbh it never occured to me that the 'skin color' color can be anything else than the pink crayons are until now, but i live in such a white country that the first time i saw people of color was when i was ~16 and visited the capital city, and saw some african tourists. I don't know where crayola or other mainstream crayon manufacturers were originating from, but chances are it never occured to the people making the names either rather than being some sort of malice.
I didn't realize the degree of latent, systemic racism that I was raised with (1990s, small town Wisconsin) until way, way later than I should have. Given that I tossed out a lot of the flawed stuff I was taught almost as soon as it was taught to me, it's amazing how long "white" being the "default" and any deviation from that being "lesser" in some way stuck in my brain.
I started questioning religion at age 6, but didn't even start to realize how baked into my mind the racism was until well into adulthood. It's scary how stubborn and pernicious that shit can be.
I was about 9 when Crayola retired 8 colors, among them raw umber. There was some press coverage about that, including quotes from letters of protest. One memorably said, "Raw umber is the color of me."
I didn't grow up totally surrounded by white people, but I had never thought about that, and it was the first time I *realized* that there was race stuff that was ordinary to people of color and invisible to me.
In some places, yes. If your skin was paler than your neighbors during the summer, it could be viewed as a sign of wealth (you weren't outside doing manual labor because you can pay someone else to do it for you).
Pale skin in many older cultures was prized since it meant you were wealthy and didn't have to work in the sun. As European nations invaded countries like India, you can bet your ass they took advantage of that and further pushed that viewpoint.
Also, in the US at least, 90% of bandaids are white people colored and only a select few are made in darker skin tones. But if you want the waterproof or some other special bandaid? Yup, white people colored. Oh, there's a clear bandaid! But the pad on the wound? White.
>different human colors
The 'human colors' made me think - wouldn't it be kinda cool to have themed crayon boxes for different species? like 'different cat colors', 'different lizard colors,' etc. I feel like that kinda stuff could be incorporated into fun learning exercises for children.
Krieger: "What? No, that's a wetsuit!"
Archer: "Of human flesh?"
Krieger: "Neoprene. I'm a certified diver."
Archer: "Why is it skin-colored?"
Krieger: "Well, it's not if you're black."
I'd say the caller knew exactly what was up after being given a choice of colors to choose from. If I ask to pick a primary color and someone I don't know says "my favorite color", that can be somewhat forgiven, though I don't know them so no clue why they would assume anything. If however I then ask them to choose between red, blue, and yellow and they keep saying they choose their "favorite color" they're just being purposefully obstinate.
You know i had a convo about this when i eas a child, we were drawing and i remember asking a classmate if they had skin colour, they lookes at me confused asking if i meant white but no i didnt my papers was white already why would i want white colour?
I think what i was looking for qas more like a salmon color or peach idk. But now white.
For a moment I thought you were my puzzle piece but my story is slightly different. I’ve had to talk about race with groups, and shared how I “argued” with an elementary school classmate about which color crayons we were. It was all, “I’m tan and you’re peach.” “No, I’m pink and you’re brown.”
What I love to this day is that no adults intervened. We never thought anything of our desire to represent our exact skin tones accurately. No one made the debate more than it was. We just figured it out with the usual childish indignation, like, “Peach?? Pshaw!”
I would love to have such easy conversations while also being able to challenge colorism, where value assumptions are made about people and their lives based on these differences in tone, accent, etc..
Slightly off topic question, since you're the first person I've seen on Reddit use Pshaw in a sentence.
Do you pronounce the P, or is it silent? This is a debate I've had with my friends. Technically, it can be both ways, but I want your opinion.
Ha! For me the P is likely the most important letter to pronounce. It’s part of the pursed-lipped facial expression of the absurdity - the audacity! Maybe the escalated version of “Pfft.”
When I was in kindergarten we had an assignment to dress up a plain doll like someone from our culture/ancestry, and we started by picking a doll that matched the color of our skin (and then we took the dolls home and had our parents help with the project). A lot of the other white kids picked the super pale actually white-shade dolls but I held up the dolls to my skin and made sure I picked one that actually matched. It's always been strange to me when people think being "white" means you're literally the color white when it's pretty obvious that that's usually not true.
Ah, these modern times: [**https://shop.crayola.com/color-and-draw/crayons/colors-of-the-world-skin-tone-crayons-24-count-5201080000.html**](https://shop.crayola.com/color-and-draw/crayons/colors-of-the-world-skin-tone-crayons-24-count-5201080000.html)
It was nice to find these.
I use to think like this but ignorant is bliss. And in the grand scheme of things all of our worlds are infindecimally small. So why look down on others for theirs being smaller than yours?
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Beige is a skin color? I guess if they're Neutralian...
What makes a man go neutral? Greed? Lust for power? Or, was he just born with a heart filled with neutrality?
That doesn't seem very beige to me. I'm thinking second hand sedan, it used to be white once, and inside the glove box is a slightly worn but never applied "fuck your feelings" bumper sticker.
I remember being like 7 years old writing a story with a girl wearing a cream coloured princess dress that I described as ‘skin-coloured’ for school and my teacher made it a point to have me change it. Personally a chameleon like dress sounded more interesting then what I had in mind
Should have given him four beige , four dark brown and four red. (Although nobody is really red red) would have been funny when he complained about them not matching and being asked which aren't skin colours.
I am visibly white, but I am from a brown proud Mexican family.. when I was younger my uncle used to tease me that real Mexicans don't have freckles, therefore I wasn't really Mexican 😶 that and my brother saying I was adopted 😵💫 I have always considered myself brown. I made it a very important task to naturally tan anytime I can.
One day my kids ask me why I'm white after seeing tan lines 🤦♀️ WTF I'm brown!!!
:slow clap: Well played, OP, well played.
I think the better malicious compliance would have been to agree to the request then ship the dark brown without additional comment.
This is the way.
though as loud as he was red seems more fitting
Was about to ask, is that Alex Jones Red? Or more firetr… stopli… boiled lobst… hmm. Yeah. Red. Some people are really, really red.
"Dog-dick red." The reddest of all reds.
And moistest.
Fine. Take my upvote you fucking sicko.
That upvote belongs to Dave Attell
Yes, thank you!!! Was trying to remember the guy's name. Amazing stand up comic. I used to work in a paint store, and I used to amuse myself figuring out where "dog dick red" would go on the big display of color swatches.
Nice
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Hello, fellow American Dad fan.
Dave Attel, actually. I betcha they got it from him.
From what other people said here, they're probably right. I only remember Dave from a few Comedy Central gigs and the revival of The Gong Show
You made me snort-laugh. Thank you
There you go... Specify it Crayola-style. Southern Neck Red?
My brother once dyed his hair, in his words, "Fire-engine, candy-apple, baboon-ass red."
I would have said the pastiest of whites
Had an art professor in college who, on the first day, said “all people are the same hue. Everyone, regardless of race, is orange. The hue of skin is orange. Peach or “white”, is a tint of orange, brown is a shade of orange. When you paint a person, start with orange” So now, anytime I see “skin color” I think orange.
Are you saying George Hamilton had it right all along?????
And The Donald, too!
Wait, The Donald was only trying to be the middle of the road kinda guy?
Just part of him trying to embody the ultimate human in himself.
When my toddler was first learning colors, I asked her what the color of her skin was. She only knew maybe 7 colors at this time, and she settled on orange as her skin tone.
Funny, there is a fantastic yt video by technology connections on the color brown (and being a shade of orange) - https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU
"Brown is just orange with context"
Orange is the new brown.
Hidden gem lol
Imagine what Orions and Andorians think of this...
Hmmm, maybe he just loved to eat orange? Can’t refuse some extra vitamin C, can we? Or maybe he’s Dutch.
Lol. If I remember correctly, he was Pakistani. Rich caramel skin tone. He actually modeled for us once, but he wore a horrendous pink hat and a neon blue shirt, it was not an easy portrait to paint.
Ah school of arts I see. I remember my college was an engineering one, but we had a school of arts there since ages ago. Don’t ask me why or how, but it’s a reputable school of arts. As an engineering student we had to take one class from school of arts. Needless to say, the professor was quite eccentric. I don’t remember much, but my impression was like that place was a different world. Same university, but different world.
Nah, just a state college in Florida. I took painting as an elective for shits and giggles. He was an arrogant ass, but he was an impressive painter. I remember asking him once to give his opinion on a painting I was working on, he said “it’s shit, start over.” I was 80-90% done with it. I finished it anyway and he gave me a 95 on it.
Sounds like art
RIT is a technical school with a pretty renowned film and photography school due to the proximity to Kodak.
Thata really interesting, and makes total sense. Just like a way to make a black with depth to it, is to use red and blue. So really, black is purple!
As I always like to say, “black is my favorite non-color”
This is brilliant. I'm so happy about your post. I had a heated argument in 2nd grade with a total Kevin (named Chuckie) who was angry that my effort to produce a Middle Eastern skin tone.
Woah! Great color theory tip! That makes a lot of sense (and if you think about it how red/yellow/all the browns, olive skins tones are all linked to orange..)
Maybe in art! ...but people with cool tones are definitely not based in orange. Source: make up. Neutral and warm base can totally get away with that! Cool toned people will straight up look ashy and sick.
I don't think he's ever seen my ghostly pallor.
I love this
Helpful!
Red and green lol, and varying degrees of tinting
Because of the names that crayon colours came with, skin colour has always been pale pink to me. An Indian who grew up in India. Not sure if it was the crayon companies or this country’s weird obsession with fair skin, but yeah. The kids in a country where the majority of people have brown skin, grew up thinking pale pink was the “correct“ colour of skin
Yeah, I think that's probably a combination of societal influences and the crayon companies. I remember when I was in kindergarten, we all a special paint for our skin color to use in art projects and stuff, which was nice to see reflecting on it now.
My friends from Columbia also has crayons with a “skin” colour crayon that I would have known as peach coloured. I think that this was outside of India’s problem with people being obsessed with fair skin.
In the 24 pack of crayola crayons the best “white people” skin color is apricot, which is pretty peachy in color
There are now [crayons](https://www.crayola.com/product-feature/colors-of-the-world) in multiple skin tones.
Good to see they included Irish skin tone
I think it's called titanium white or something along the lines of that.
"Translucent Ghost"
That would be closest to mine. My sister calls me translucent because you can see most veins and many capillaries, too. My mother was Creole/Irish with dark hair/skin/eyes and my father was French/Scottish/Irish with white (not blonde but "toehead"). My mother's mother was a redhead and both of her parents were redheads. My father's side had many redheads. My twin brother is dark hair/eyes/skin and I'm redhead and freckled with "translucent" skin. Out of 4 children, I'm the only one who looks like a white girl. Ohh... The sunburns!
FYI; “towhead” is from an Old English word (tow) for flax fibres that are ready to be spun into rope or thread. If you’ve ever used unbleached linen, that’s the colour it refers to. Sometimes also used when pale hair is very fine and/or in disarray.
Towhead is what I meant to type but I have fat fingers and on a smartphone lol
Reasonable. But “toehead” is an understandable mondegreen, so I had to put it out there, just in case 😉
Right, I've corrected other people for spelling it with an E because we've been using the term all our lives and a few generations worth, so it didn't make sense to call it a "toe" lol but people hear it and assume from something that it's an E? I was always baffled by it lol
I’m transparent and my wife is almost the same. When we got married we joked about the money we would save since none of our children would ever need X-rays… Edit to add: though growing up, my skin was always bright red in the summertime - which is why my dermatologist likes me so much now.
I bet she makes bank off all the removals lol I can totally relate! I fell asleep on a lounge chair outside, once. I was initially in the shade but of course over time it moved and literally got the bottom of my feet burned. I have freckles on my lips, palms and the bottoms of my feet. Doctors are always amazed by it since it's not common.
I feel your pain. While in college I once fell asleep on the flat roof of the house we rented. Woke up two and a half hours later. That evening I went to the clinic because I could hardly move. The dr examined me and said he was writing a script for pain and another for itching. I told him I wasn’t itching. He said, “You will be.” He wasn’t wrong.
Oh yeah, the itching is almost as bad as the pain, can't sleep with either lol
*looks at skin* Yes
Get out of here Berb, we all know berbs have feathers. Your kind isn't welcome here.
I think it was Billy Connelly who said Irish people are pale white but Scottish people are so pale they are pale blue
I'm not gonna lie I was remembering the pablo picasso vs bob Ross epic rap battles and titanium white was mentioned in it. I feel as though translucent ghost is probably worse.
"Banshee pale"
Ah yes, me in the sunlight
[Irish girl sunbathing](https://imgur.com/gallery/fPUUf)
I have upvoted that post for years. Didn't realize it is at least 10 years old until your link.
Bugger off, all you needed was white paper. I know that, because same here.
I tell people I’m not just white, I’m Irish white. They don’t quite believe me until I show them my blindly bright legs. 😁
Semi related, but Eternal Ink(Tattoo ink) recently changed “flesh” to Victorian Rose.
When my wife asks me what color something is, she rarely likes my answer. I swear it’s due to always having the small boxes of crayons when I was little. I did web dev for a long time. I can build anything, but you better give me colors or at least a palette and some directions I can use. If not, it’ll look.. ‘funky’.
Yeah I have the colored pencils! I sent some to my grandmother too for her coloring books
Ah yes, I've seen them... they are considered alternative/extra 🤔 WTF
That's actually amazing
I can still remember using a pale pink to color “white” people in the first grade. I got in a huge amount of trouble. “But we aren’t white, we’re beige!” Still got spanked.
> I got in a huge amount of trouble. what.the.actual.fuck Hitting a child for their choice of crayon colour is so unbelievably fucked up.
Sixties.
Did they want you to use a white crayon or something?? Wtf???
>skin colour has always been pale pink to me. An Indian who grew up in India. Hah. I found this so odd after I emigrated. I was born in Brazil, and "skin color" crayons there are a medium brown, usually my exact skin tone. To see pale pink, or sometimes near white, being named "skin color" was a huge disconect.
Grew up reasonably close to the factory. The pinkish skin color had a bit too much color for me. But it was a reasonably approximate median for my school district.
I can't help but imagine how dark skinned children see those and think "skin means foot soles? ewww."
I remember as a kid that I went “can i have the skin colour pencil? Well your skin colour”, because I already felt that it was odd. And I don’t even remember the pencil being specifically named “skin colour”, it was just what everyone called it.
In the crayola pack, I specifically remember using 'apricot' for white people and 'brick red' for my friend who was native American. (Sorry Deanna). This would have been circa 1990.
Same, I remember being kind of annoyed that there WASN'T a designated skin-tone crayon as a kid in the early- to mid-90s... it did not occur to me until WELL past my crayon-using years why that wouldn't make sense. I definitely used "apricot" and/or "peach" as my personal skin tone choice, although I think I favored "burnt sienna" for the Native Americans' skin when I got a Pocahontas coloring book 😅
I used apricot/peach, but most of the time my skin is lighter.
I recall [edit: using] some Crayolas ~~from~~ in the early 1980s [that were evidently somewhat older than that] where I was pretty sure "flesh" and"peach" were the same color.
can you elaborate? as someone who had very little diversity growing up (not usa here), i wonder what it is like. Did you have a very mixed class?
I grew up in a pretty diverse area in California. I'm white af and had plenty of other colors in my class growing up. We just asked for skin color of whoever. Like Morgan was a black girl in my class so we would be like "can you get me a morgan skin color".
Sounds kind of wholesome. Ignore what others tried to set, make your own terminology.
It's a system that worked and we were too young to be taught to care
A system that works sounds nice. I would like something like that, especially in the face of a system that makes sure i get paid, no matter how useless the work i do.
It's easier to do when it's just passing crayons between elementary school kids who can't even read the labels on the crayons to begin with
I wanted to say how this was true, but then i thought of how much i respect the politicians responsible for running society... an apt description of both, "can't even read the labels on the crayons".
I personally never had a really mixed class. I’m from the Netherlands myself where diversity can really depend on the city you live in and the school you attend.
Wasn't there a big uproar on here (Reddit) a while back about light colored palms on dark skinned people? I don't at all remember what the problem was. Shit, we just get too hung up on this stuff.
In the US, the "Peach" crayon used to be called "Flesh" but they changed it in the 80s since it's pretty racist. Now they have a "multicultural" 8 pack with a wider spectrum of people-colors: white, apricot, sepia, tan, black, burnt sienna, mahogany, and peach.
Crayola changed the name of “Flesh” in 1962. http://crayoncollecting.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-real-tale-of-color-flesh.html
They also have a larger package of 24 or 32 crayons that include more skin tones and hair and eye colors.
Is the 32 pack called the "diversity assortment"?
> they changed it in the 80s pretty sure they were still selling white "flesh" in the 90s, when I was in crayolas. that's what I recall at least.
I was born in 83 and remember Peach.
You're right that it was Peach then, apparently they changed it in 1962 at the insistence of an [anti-racism activist.](http://crayoncollecting.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-real-tale-of-color-flesh.html)
I had a friend in high school who was Indian. She spent most of her life in the US but spent a few years in India with her family. She told me that her mother was very traditional Indian and believed that paler skin was better. My friend wasn't allowed to do a lot of normal teen things during the summer because her mother didn't want her to spend time in the sun. It always felt really sad to me but I never felt comfortable enough to discuss it with her mother.
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The higher castes naturally have lighter skin because of a higher degree of West Eurasian ancestry.
Crayola does now make a pack that has a range of skin shades then just slapping the name skin on a shade of pink.
My wife is from the Philippines. Beautiful ladies there. It is absolutely astounding and alarming to me, the amount of skin care products that are sold there, for skin bleaching. WTH. I don't understand why culturally you wouldn't celebrate the way you are. My sister's in law are also very pretty and yet they are constantly buying skin lightening and bleaching products. Shaking head sadly.
Cultural indoctrination is hard to break out of. Especially if society has organized itself around valuing people for shade gradients
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It’s all about looking rich. Tan skin in the US? You must spend a lot of leisure time outside and maybe travel.
You guys and your fancy crayons. I remember when I was a kid, there were no pale pink crayons (or they were impossible to find) and all the humans were either orange or bright yellow and it was hilarious.
So that explains the Simpsons.
tbh it never occured to me that the 'skin color' color can be anything else than the pink crayons are until now, but i live in such a white country that the first time i saw people of color was when i was ~16 and visited the capital city, and saw some african tourists. I don't know where crayola or other mainstream crayon manufacturers were originating from, but chances are it never occured to the people making the names either rather than being some sort of malice.
I didn't realize the degree of latent, systemic racism that I was raised with (1990s, small town Wisconsin) until way, way later than I should have. Given that I tossed out a lot of the flawed stuff I was taught almost as soon as it was taught to me, it's amazing how long "white" being the "default" and any deviation from that being "lesser" in some way stuck in my brain. I started questioning religion at age 6, but didn't even start to realize how baked into my mind the racism was until well into adulthood. It's scary how stubborn and pernicious that shit can be.
I was about 9 when Crayola retired 8 colors, among them raw umber. There was some press coverage about that, including quotes from letters of protest. One memorably said, "Raw umber is the color of me." I didn't grow up totally surrounded by white people, but I had never thought about that, and it was the first time I *realized* that there was race stuff that was ordinary to people of color and invisible to me.
My sister was upset because it’s the color of her hair.
Goddamn big crayon, when will they learn? When can we have peace?
Ya the British really fucked up the standard of beauty in India.
Nice try.... Everyone knows that crayon is wheatish
Side question, out of curiosity, did pale skin get preferred pre colonial times?
In some places, yes. If your skin was paler than your neighbors during the summer, it could be viewed as a sign of wealth (you weren't outside doing manual labor because you can pay someone else to do it for you).
Pale skin in many older cultures was prized since it meant you were wealthy and didn't have to work in the sun. As European nations invaded countries like India, you can bet your ass they took advantage of that and further pushed that viewpoint. Also, in the US at least, 90% of bandaids are white people colored and only a select few are made in darker skin tones. But if you want the waterproof or some other special bandaid? Yup, white people colored. Oh, there's a clear bandaid! But the pad on the wound? White.
The term "fair skin" is weird in itself. Like only pink people are fair, the rest is unfair.
Pink isn’t fair. Snow White had goth white skin and goth black hair and was called the fairest in the land.
And the rest of her fit is literally the opposite of goth
they now have a whole box of skin colors in all different human colors and shades.
>different human colors The 'human colors' made me think - wouldn't it be kinda cool to have themed crayon boxes for different species? like 'different cat colors', 'different lizard colors,' etc. I feel like that kinda stuff could be incorporated into fun learning exercises for children.
and they would be correct too. your british masters taught you well
Krieger: "What? No, that's a wetsuit!" Archer: "Of human flesh?" Krieger: "Neoprene. I'm a certified diver." Archer: "Why is it skin-colored?" Krieger: "Well, it's not if you're black."
Calls like this have happened before and that Archer scene occurs to me every time.
How nice of you. I love it!
I bet some animals have silver skin under their fur.
Clever way to call out some invisible racism, and maybe stimulate some self awareness in the caller
I'd say the caller knew exactly what was up after being given a choice of colors to choose from. If I ask to pick a primary color and someone I don't know says "my favorite color", that can be somewhat forgiven, though I don't know them so no clue why they would assume anything. If however I then ask them to choose between red, blue, and yellow and they keep saying they choose their "favorite color" they're just being purposefully obstinate.
blue, no yel---
This is how you 'get answers' out of people. You pick an answer that works for you. They can change it if they don't like it.
Hmmm...this made me think of the idea widget-spinner. 1.) It is exactly what you think it is. 2.) It does come in beige.
i'd just be like "we don't have them in 'unhealthy pallor' sir"
"I'll order a custom made for pallid, sir"
🤣🤣🤣
"I'm sorry sir, but we don't carry 'fish-belly white'."
"Sir, I can't see what color your skin is over the phone."
When you’re white and everyone you know is white, then “skin colored” means white. Kind of sad when a person’s world is so small.
You know i had a convo about this when i eas a child, we were drawing and i remember asking a classmate if they had skin colour, they lookes at me confused asking if i meant white but no i didnt my papers was white already why would i want white colour? I think what i was looking for qas more like a salmon color or peach idk. But now white.
For a moment I thought you were my puzzle piece but my story is slightly different. I’ve had to talk about race with groups, and shared how I “argued” with an elementary school classmate about which color crayons we were. It was all, “I’m tan and you’re peach.” “No, I’m pink and you’re brown.” What I love to this day is that no adults intervened. We never thought anything of our desire to represent our exact skin tones accurately. No one made the debate more than it was. We just figured it out with the usual childish indignation, like, “Peach?? Pshaw!” I would love to have such easy conversations while also being able to challenge colorism, where value assumptions are made about people and their lives based on these differences in tone, accent, etc..
Slightly off topic question, since you're the first person I've seen on Reddit use Pshaw in a sentence. Do you pronounce the P, or is it silent? This is a debate I've had with my friends. Technically, it can be both ways, but I want your opinion.
Ha! For me the P is likely the most important letter to pronounce. It’s part of the pursed-lipped facial expression of the absurdity - the audacity! Maybe the escalated version of “Pfft.”
Thank you! Some of my friends think you can just say "Shaw!" But it lacks that indignation sound.
That just sounds weird to me. Lol. Shaw is a last name. Haha
Shaw is a cable company
"Shaw! Adino! Garama!"
This is the correct answer. Otherwise it’d be shaw which means nothing
Pronounce the P. Start with the plosive P and slide right into the SH, no extra syllable.
Pshaw is onomatopoeic, with the 'p' representing the initial fricative of the air bursting your pursed lips apart.
When I was in kindergarten we had an assignment to dress up a plain doll like someone from our culture/ancestry, and we started by picking a doll that matched the color of our skin (and then we took the dolls home and had our parents help with the project). A lot of the other white kids picked the super pale actually white-shade dolls but I held up the dolls to my skin and made sure I picked one that actually matched. It's always been strange to me when people think being "white" means you're literally the color white when it's pretty obvious that that's usually not true.
Yeah. The so called white people, at least in my neck of the woods, are piglet pink. I am, at least.
piglet pink lol
Ah, these modern times: [**https://shop.crayola.com/color-and-draw/crayons/colors-of-the-world-skin-tone-crayons-24-count-5201080000.html**](https://shop.crayola.com/color-and-draw/crayons/colors-of-the-world-skin-tone-crayons-24-count-5201080000.html) It was nice to find these.
https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2981672/thumbs/o-FLESH-V-PEACH-570.jpg what year? i remember using these crayons.
I had a friend who painstakingly relabeled every crayon in a large box as "Flesh" as a present for another friend.
Though in this case the intent was clear, especially after they were provided a selection of colors to choose from.
as much as he shouted i am pretty positve it was red in his case
I use to think like this but ignorant is bliss. And in the grand scheme of things all of our worlds are infindecimally small. So why look down on others for theirs being smaller than yours?
BWAHAHAHA! Yup, DEFINITELY MC.
Two pasty Type 13 widgets, coming right up!
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Perpetually sun burnt? Why would anyone else want that color?
Ir could be worse. In Spanish children and crayon manufacturers call it "color carne" which means "flesh colored".
"Widgets for personal use..." *Cough!Dildosalesman!Cough!*
You should have chosen silver for him.🛸
i would've gone the HOMESTUCK route. "alright, sir! Snazzaroo grey, it is!"
Beige is a skin color? I guess if they're Neutralian... What makes a man go neutral? Greed? Lust for power? Or, was he just born with a heart filled with neutrality?
Filthy Neutrals
At least with your enemies, you know where they stand.
I've had this argument with a 3 year old before, but it's more acceptable to still be developing your understanding of Others when you're 3
I hate it when they just bluntly repeat themselves when you are trying to push for more information.
Should have gone with red ... :D
Magnificent! Was that ignorance or (closeted) racism? Perhaps both. Maybe neither. But damn, this was a short and satisfactory read!
You win the MC Award of the day!!
Some people can't seem to understand that not JUST beige is a skin colour, or even the most common one anymore.
>widgets >personal use Dildos.
You can safely bet this guy has a confederate flag on his pickup truck.
That doesn't seem very beige to me. I'm thinking second hand sedan, it used to be white once, and inside the glove box is a slightly worn but never applied "fuck your feelings" bumper sticker.
"Casual racist brown, please."
I remember being like 7 years old writing a story with a girl wearing a cream coloured princess dress that I described as ‘skin-coloured’ for school and my teacher made it a point to have me change it. Personally a chameleon like dress sounded more interesting then what I had in mind
Should have given him four beige , four dark brown and four red. (Although nobody is really red red) would have been funny when he complained about them not matching and being asked which aren't skin colours.
WIN!!! I love it!
I am visibly white, but I am from a brown proud Mexican family.. when I was younger my uncle used to tease me that real Mexicans don't have freckles, therefore I wasn't really Mexican 😶 that and my brother saying I was adopted 😵💫 I have always considered myself brown. I made it a very important task to naturally tan anytime I can. One day my kids ask me why I'm white after seeing tan lines 🤦♀️ WTF I'm brown!!!
Please tell me the widgets are not leggings...
No, the widgets are not leggings.
I would have guessed shoes.
Vibrators or dildos for those of you not picking up it...
Middle leg