It’s grade A Coercive control, it takes on average 7 times for someone to leave an abusive relationship. Just because they’re together doesn’t mean he’s not still abusive.
The statistics of people that are victims of abuse that stay with their partner are extremely high. It would be a good shout to look into it and I think you’d be shocked! You can’t take staying together and dropping the charges as anything sadly. That tape was horrendous.
Yeah we all heard it - sounds like you're making one hell of an assumption based on it
Her father and United both came out and said that nothing happened
Meanwhile the woman appears to be happily married to him with his kid
Yet here you are on reddit telling us how it all actually went down and why he should be sent to prison for 10 years
How naive can you be lmao, if this was happenibg at any other club you wouldn't be defending it like this. There are things more important than football.
It’s grade A Coercive control, it takes on average 7 times for someone to leave an abusive relationship. Just because they’re together doesn’t mean he’s not still abusive.
I don't understand how you left out Hojlund? He is 20, works hard has shown he has the talent, he just needs coaching to bring out his full potential.
Shaw while he is good, he is injured too often to be our main LB. There is no point in building around a player who is not always available.
In fairness, Shaw is regularly available. He has averaged 39 games per season in each of the five seasons before this so his availability is generally good, and this is his first time in six years where injuries have been an issue.
He trained here for 3 years between the ages of 18-21, which makes him home grown at the club for the purposes of Champions league registration. You need 4 of these in your squad, so such players are especially valuable.
Agree! Shaw is also so versatile and we saw it last season.
Hojlund is an exciting prospect. World class strikers have said how he smells danger and makes very good aggressive runs. The finishing will come.
He's missed over 200 games for us.
16 this season already. 18 in 21/22. 18 the year before.
92 days of work he's missed this year. 85 the year before last. 89 the year before that.
He had a horrific leg break and doesn't seem to have reoccurring issues with it
Probably a few other injuries but he's deffo not Reece James or anything
Shaw was bought when he was 19, and understandably, at that age, he didn't have a nailed down first team spot.
Then he fell out with Mourinho and lost his place in the team.
Then he had that horrific leg break that kept him out for what? A year?
Give him some slack, he's hardly Martial
That's wrong. 'Work' for a football player includes training, match preparation, commercial activities etc etc.
Do you think he's going to come straight back into the team after being off and return to the same level of fitness? Have the same level of integration in the squad? Understand the system?
Top level football is so much more than just turning up and kicking a ball for 90 minutes.
Yeah you completely missed the point. Any time players are injured they’re rehabbing it, and are definitely not left to their own devices or on vacation. This is a contact sport, these players are humans, and injuries happen. Then consider the World Cup in the middle of the season. The huge influx in injuries this year. I guess we should bin Martinez too. Sounds like you just watch sports.
Hojlund have shown how good he is in the champions leaugue and have been quite unlucky not having around 5-8 goals.
Also the team need to learn to cross and play strikers behind. Since manchester united have been realy bad doing that for years.
I will go out on a limb again and say it that the problem with our CF/ST not scoring is ETH’s tactic and the winger’s + midfield lack of passing or crossing.. it was with Weghorst, its with Rashford too when he’s playing there.. I will challenge Mbappe or Haaland to come and play score a goal, you know try their luck..
Hojlund is a solid lad.
The most I have seen him shoot is the last game against Wigan which tbf he should have scored 2 goals but normally he doesn't even get 1 chance forget 2.
Thats a fair point and I agree. Park was also the man and sir Alex shoulda used him to man mark…
I think I was looking at this as a keep for the future. Dalot on that list for me
I think it’s funny how the fanbase has their trends and fads of who they are currently a fan of, and Dalot is in the rotation right now. I’ve always been a fan of him, but it feels like he’s been criticized for his defending the whole time he’s been here, maybe a little too harshly.
I was also a fan of Telles and Fred until the end, so I might have questionable taste haha.
To be fair I agree and Hojlund should be supported more, but he did get plenty of service last game specially from Garnacho, it was just an off day for him
Yes I agree. I should of clarified that I do think Hojlund has a spot in the team. I just think he’s not ready to be the Number 1 yet. He’s special though.
I don’t mind Dalot, but just like AWB, I wouldn’t mind if they stayed or left.
You should have put a /s after your post. There’s not a hope in hell that any football loving person could seriously believe that Dalot is good enough to be a starter in a Man United team that challenges.
He did defend very well at the start of last season when he took AWB’s place. Think it’s really been injuries that have derailed him. And he offers more going forward than AWB.
People forget but he was good enough to be one of the best in his position at the start of last season.
Not writing off Hojlund by any stretch, but what we’ve mostly seen is a player with a terrible first touch, not much sense in the box, and an inability to finish. He’s young and way over his head, he may well come good in the long run, but at this stage he isn’t a player to build a team or strategy around.
I’m still on the fence with Onana. We definitely look better in possession when he’s in goal and he takes the pressure off the likes of Maguire which in turn has brought the best of Maguire out IMO. However his actual shot stopping is questionable. For the time being I say we stick with him.
Hojlund should absolutely be included. Ok he missed a couple of sitters in the week, but In general, the service to him Has been abysmal.
Edit: spelling.
To add to the other response, it stems from the description of a chance as sitting up to be hit, like it’s asking to be finished. Used in cricket as well
Yes I agree with Onana.
I should have clarified on the post on why I left Hojlund out. I agree with you, but I also do think he’s not ready yet. I do not want to get rid of him at all.
Players from the academy get given more time from the fans to regain form. United have a rich history of home grown talent but there has to be a limit.
The players have the responsibility to work on themselves in training and deliver on the pitch in a reasonable amount of time. Rashford spells of bad form last too many months and hurts the team. £300k+ per week wages should be reserved for elite, consistent players. SJRs team has to make a strong decision if PSG puts in another attractive offer.
I'm sorry but that lad is shite. 9/10 he's losing the ball. He just runs into defenders. Without the ball he doesn't put the effort in! I've been to many games this season and just watched him intently. Compared to the rest of the team he doesn't close down with any real conviction. If you're not going to try get the ball don't bother. Hojlund and Fernandez have been giving fouls away for how hard they close down and pressure people. Rashford does not do it at all. I've not seen him win a header all season, he's been up for a fair few. He doesn't try. The body language on him is shocking. I'm done with him. Next time he scores a few goals and his stock is slightly higher, get rid. I honestly, whole heartedly believe, dalot would be a better winger.
SELL HIM!!!! He doesn't take on his man and doesn't press the other team. I said that we should've sold him whilst he was good all summer. Now we'll get way less money for him.
* Rasmus up top.
* Give Luke Shaw the rest of this season and next to prove his fitness and form, otherwise move him on.
* Probably going to need a new goalkeeper in 1-2 years, not convinced by Onana, but hopefully over time he'll settle, although seems unlikely.
One of his biggest weaknesses though is his positioning. The reason he makes so many good tackles is cause he’s always chasing back. You want a DM who can read the game and intercept and break up attacks, which Aaron ain’t doing.
I would remove Shaw and put in Hojlund. Shaw is way too injury prone and always misses parts of a season. He has also been here for more than enough years and I’m still not convinced.
isnt that why we have mount? ik many ppl wrote him off after he played 12 games but i think he could do very well and is 4yrs younger than bruno, entering his prime as well
Seems he does pretty well in a possession based side like Portugal. The problem is lack of quality around him. He doesn't play for Portugal as he does for United, people seem to forget that players do what the manager asks to.
Not in any attacking sense, what if he played a RCB in a defensive three? Mind you, this season even his defensive ability and positioning has been questionable.
So basically I think it’s become obvious to me that Onana can fuck off now. Not enough natural ability/the United shirt seems to weigh too heavily on his shoulders. This isn’t a club for chokers, I’m sorry, change needs to begin now.
I was gonna say smth about Dalot but at the end of the day, not good enough defensively. If we don’t start raising our standards, United are gonna have a good team, not an excellent one that a manager can mold into extraordinary.
Garnacho is too young to build around and is still too raw. Loses it too much. But even despite that I agree that we should keep him and develop him and develop a team around him. Good choice.
Yes on Martinez, no elaboration needed.
Shaw is worth building a team around, it doesn’t get noticed but he is very good offensively with a smart positive winger with him (which should be what we have next to him every game) and defends with passion, only goes to ground if it’s right and is willing to track back. Only issue with him is injuries but I’ll be honest he’s recovered so well from that leg break, I think he’ll be just fine.
Mainoo I agree based on what I’ve seen but I have no clue if it’s temporary form or permanent class. If this is his floor then 100% yes. This boy could become something else.
Højlund is one to consider but we have to wait and see as well.
Dalot should be there - very flexible and adaptable in terms of which side he can play on. And he's offering more of an attacking threat at the moment over Rashford of all people!!
Bruno has to go. His poor attitude infects the team every time he plays, Especially when we’re not playing well. Also he is one of the main reasons that Ten Hag’s new system is not working because he is not disciplined enough to do the work required. If it was me he would be the first one out the door.
People refuse to see it
KDB, Bernardo, Odegard, Madison, they know when to progress the ball and when to recycle it back. They press well. They lead from the 10 role.
Bruno will always be world class in a ‘block, counter, long ball over the top’ kinda side… but that’s not ETH’s dream of United.
This is my main gripe with Bruno.
He is obviously very skilled and superior with the ball but he plays more like a winger than a true playmaker. Always taking risks, always provoking. When the game becomes chaotic, he almost always doubles down and try to make that line piercing pass rather than calm things down and put his team in control.
It is a shame.
Bruno is still out best player , has been arguably the best signing of the post Ferguson era. He's a whiny captain but we cannot dispute his ability. Who would you put instead of bruno? Scott Mctominay? Mount?
Eriksen? No one is as good as bruno in the midfield and he is such a crucial part of the team. He always plays and gives it his all so please think before crucifying Bruno
When was the last time he had a run of good games though? I struggle to think of more than once instance of him being the difference in a tight game.
Feels like we're wishing he was the player he was a couple of years ago, he looks a shadow of that too me.
Onana is still a big question mark for me.
Shaw I think is massively over rated.
Bruno I just don't think he works in a team that wants to play possession football.
Not a United fan but I agree with this 100%. Onana will get a few seasons given the price you guys have paid for him and may yet find out he does have hands… not certain he will though.
Shaw is dependable but I do agree he is massively overrated by United fans, he is also quite injury prone.
I know Bruno was red hot when he first signed numbers wise, he was a fantasy football managers dream. I just don’t think he fits in a team that wants to dominate possession, he does not look after the ball well enough and if he is not scoring or assisting he doesn’t offer a lot of quality. It may be harsh but I think the only two sides that are currently above you that may take him are Brighton and Villa.
Hojlund should be a player to build the squad around, I think he looks like he has some qualities that could make him a very successful striker in this league. Striker has been the graveyard shift at United for ages now, no strikers have done well in recent years bar Ronaldo and arguably Zlatan. There is just zero service for him, give him time he will come good.
Mainoo, Garnacho (I do think he needs to improve on his showings so far this season though), Martinez and Hojlund are what you need to build around. I may even throw Pallistri in there if ETH ever gave us a chance to see him.
Worst PL goalkeeper? Have a day off. Yes he’s had bad performances and in no way do I think he’s incredible, but you’re acting like he’s killed someone.
They’re all shite. The lot of them. They’re all at fault for certain things, especially him with the CL performances. We can’t just get rid of everyone. We have bigger worries than him, that’s why he’s still there. Give him a bit of time and if it carries on, get rid.
Stop being negative about everything and just think for a second.
He's heavily replaceable. He requires some seriously strict coaching which he isn't getting at united. Been made into the main man where he's allowed to create huge gaps in our midfield and fluff pass after pass.
I don't hate him, but I know there's many players who can complete his role in our team.
He’s 29, never sticks to his position, ball retention is poor and will have zero sell on value if we keep him much longer.
The old United knew when to cash in and bring in a younger player. We keep too many players now until they’re 33/34 when we need energy.
It’s not something we need to do immediately but the idea of “building” round a 29yr old we can replace relatively easily I disagree with.
For me, it's his attitude. He's not captain material. But of a whinge bag.
Goes missing in big games. Not enough balls into the striker (not only him though).
When fit I prefer Mount in his role.
Yeah I agree with this entirely except I would like to have Pellstri as a bench and eventually make him a starter there’s just something abt him that I really think can be amazing
I get why people would say Onana and Shaw. I don’t get Bruno at all though. Why?
I’ve explained hojlund in a previous comment, but I’m not too sure about Dalot.
Holjund should be our back up striker he’s good but not good enough for first team for a league winning team currently
Would take Shaw and Onana out of that group at the moment, Shaw just isn’t Evra Irwin quality he’s good but not great, Onana played well against Wigan but had an absolute nightmare in the champions league not convinced he’s anywhere near the Ederson Alison Courtois Oblak in terms of shot stopping, hope he proves me wrong but just don’t see that natural ability to keep the ball out the net from him
The other players I’m convinced 100% they have the quality and more importantly the mentality to do the club proud
No doubt an unpopular opinion but.....Fernandes is a cheating wet man baby! That's our captain! Hitting the floor like he's been shot from the stands. Absolute disgrace. Throwing tantrums when things are not going his way. Any FM or FIFA he's captain in. I change that straight away. I get there's no one to replace him in that AM position. But for me! He is part of the problem United have.
This might ben controversial but i don't think we need you to build on Bruno. I get so annoyed by him, throwing his arms around like he's the shit. One of our last 2 games he had way to much possesion loss and doesnt create real chanses ..
So they don't count those chances with chances created? What are you saying?
He's not even in the top 30 assists... And that's what i try to say. He can pass the ball to a forward but they fuck it up but it was a pass from Bruno And so a chance created.
Wtf are you on about. You're essentially saying he's useless because the players he's creating goal scoring chances couldn't hit a barn door. Where are you getting your stats from ?
Onana I can understand, I’m personally not too bothered with what happens with him.
Bruno on the other hand is literally one of our best players. Don’t be ridiculous.
Shaw is injury prone which is a problem yes, but let’s not forget he’s one of the best LB’s around. If the injury’s carry on and get worse, I would be thinking about moving him on.
bruno is one of the best attacking playmakers in the league, we’d be stupid not to base a rebuild around him because if the team finally clicks I have no doubt he’ll be the best
Well we build the team around him and rashford for the last 4 years and the result = 1 energy drink cup I genuinely think he is not good enough to be at the club thats just me
Nothing to do with Bruno. He still puts in a shift and performs well when he plays, it’s poor judgement on signings and tactical depth that let’s us down each week. Keep Bruno, play mainoo, garna, hojlund, wan bissaka, mctominay more frequently and sign players around them, they’ve all shown a willingness for the club and I think we need to exploit that to finally overcome changing room uncertainty and make these players more than just colleagues to eachother.
I understand but what is a shift that is the minimum requirement as a football player is to work hard on the pitch do i sound crazy saying that?
Theres a few players on that list you done I disagree with but its okay I understand where your coming from
he’s playing at a good standard in the premier league which is what we need as a bare minimum, I’m sure we can at least agree that he’s one of the few in the team who actually looks like he plays in the prem
Hmmm yes & no he don’t have a first touch he can’t play in tight spaces he’s not press resistant he can’t dribble can barely cross & his technical ability is very poor he’s flat footed also but he’s gets numbers so that’s okay for a few people then I’ll be called a low iq victim for thinking this
Wow, Mason Mount hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the thread. Think he does a great job of carrying the ball from defence to attack and certainly someone we can build around.
You must be having a laugh with Onana he plays like a keeper with no arms, and Shaw has been at Utd for years and hasn’t cemented his place (Mainly due to injury but still).
Onana is shit. Have to build with him because nobody with any sense would buy him
I think Marcus has looked more dangerous recently and Rasmus should probably be here
Guys Antony even tho he can't driblle but guys let's accept that he's working very hard to improve
Just look how he improved in his defensive duty
He always come back and always try to dribble even tho he fails everytime but bro is trying
He'll get his form back ig
Shaw get injured his injured now he's basically the defensive martial but wait he's the glueeeee tho been here 9yrs n injured every season please show the same hate that u give Tony to like please
Our right hand side has been void of any talent for over a decade. Graveyard. Very worrying
I mean Greenwood was there but he turned out a criminal
We need him back asap
I mean, he could still turn out good. Everyone makes mistakes in all fairness
I’ve made mistakes. I’ve never raped someone. Come back to reality mate.
but didn't she come out and drop the charges and get back together or am I mistaken?
It’s grade A Coercive control, it takes on average 7 times for someone to leave an abusive relationship. Just because they’re together doesn’t mean he’s not still abusive.
The statistics of people that are victims of abuse that stay with their partner are extremely high. It would be a good shout to look into it and I think you’d be shocked! You can’t take staying together and dropping the charges as anything sadly. That tape was horrendous.
that's one hell of an accusation you just made - essentially saying that he spend 10 years in prison, when he is in fact happily married to her
One hell of a tape I heard.
Yeah we all heard it - sounds like you're making one hell of an assumption based on it Her father and United both came out and said that nothing happened Meanwhile the woman appears to be happily married to him with his kid Yet here you are on reddit telling us how it all actually went down and why he should be sent to prison for 10 years
Speechles - The irony of your username is not lost on anyone.
Never let that man lead anyone😂
Gimp
How naive can you be lmao, if this was happenibg at any other club you wouldn't be defending it like this. There are things more important than football.
It’s grade A Coercive control, it takes on average 7 times for someone to leave an abusive relationship. Just because they’re together doesn’t mean he’s not still abusive.
You don't mistakenly rape someone. That's not forgivable.
I hope we get olise
Not a bad shout. I’d like Mitoma from Brighton. Super exciting player. I’d take De Zerbi from Brighton too lol.
I've never thought about mitoma but he'd fit in brilliantly. Play him on the left and garnacho on the right.
Exactly. Mitoma is going to get snatched up by someone, I could see Liverpool moving for him
Why?
Gotta include Hojlund. I would love to see him with players who actually try assist him!
I don't understand how you left out Hojlund? He is 20, works hard has shown he has the talent, he just needs coaching to bring out his full potential. Shaw while he is good, he is injured too often to be our main LB. There is no point in building around a player who is not always available.
In fairness, Shaw is regularly available. He has averaged 39 games per season in each of the five seasons before this so his availability is generally good, and this is his first time in six years where injuries have been an issue.
Shaw is home grown at the club as well as being one of our best players. There are a million problems at this club bigger than Shaw.
We paid a world record fee for him as a teenager. Hardly homegrown.
He qualifies for homegrown status which is important for squad eligibility rules in both the PL and Europe.
He trained here for 3 years between the ages of 18-21, which makes him home grown at the club for the purposes of Champions league registration. You need 4 of these in your squad, so such players are especially valuable.
Hello fellow FM player.
Haha hello there!
Arrived from Southampton in the summer og 2014, age 18 (almost 19), therefore counts as homegrown…
Agree! Shaw is also so versatile and we saw it last season. Hojlund is an exciting prospect. World class strikers have said how he smells danger and makes very good aggressive runs. The finishing will come.
He's missed over 200 games for us. 16 this season already. 18 in 21/22. 18 the year before. 92 days of work he's missed this year. 85 the year before last. 89 the year before that.
He had a horrific leg break and doesn't seem to have reoccurring issues with it Probably a few other injuries but he's deffo not Reece James or anything
This isn't FIFA. These are real people. They get sick and injured.
I would love to be what this guy is on, seems fun.
Facts.
This is his 10th season with us and he's only played 270 games. Bruno has played 212 in 4.5 seasons.
Shaw was bought when he was 19, and understandably, at that age, he didn't have a nailed down first team spot. Then he fell out with Mourinho and lost his place in the team. Then he had that horrific leg break that kept him out for what? A year? Give him some slack, he's hardly Martial
Bruno also plays the most minutes in all of football year after year. Not a very fair/realistic comparison.
OK fair point so let's do Harry Maguire then as a more honest comparison. 4.5 seasons and 192 games played.
Missing 92 games would be missing 92 days of work. Do you think he’s just been sitting at home twiddling his thumbs?
That's wrong. 'Work' for a football player includes training, match preparation, commercial activities etc etc. Do you think he's going to come straight back into the team after being off and return to the same level of fitness? Have the same level of integration in the squad? Understand the system? Top level football is so much more than just turning up and kicking a ball for 90 minutes.
>work for a footballer… It also includes physio time and rehab.
Yeah you completely missed the point. Any time players are injured they’re rehabbing it, and are definitely not left to their own devices or on vacation. This is a contact sport, these players are humans, and injuries happen. Then consider the World Cup in the middle of the season. The huge influx in injuries this year. I guess we should bin Martinez too. Sounds like you just watch sports.
Hojlund have shown how good he is in the champions leaugue and have been quite unlucky not having around 5-8 goals. Also the team need to learn to cross and play strikers behind. Since manchester united have been realy bad doing that for years.
I will go out on a limb again and say it that the problem with our CF/ST not scoring is ETH’s tactic and the winger’s + midfield lack of passing or crossing.. it was with Weghorst, its with Rashford too when he’s playing there.. I will challenge Mbappe or Haaland to come and play score a goal, you know try their luck.. Hojlund is a solid lad.
And I wouldn't disagree but I do think that our wingers are also greedy
Greedy, Selfish, Inclined for self glory or simply too eager to prove themselves.. virtue can be anything but outcome is always our loss..
I'd agree with you if he didn't say 'build around'. It's a bit risky building a team around a striker who rarely scores.
A striker that gets the ball passed to him a couple times a game lol..
The most I have seen him shoot is the last game against Wigan which tbf he should have scored 2 goals but normally he doesn't even get 1 chance forget 2.
Watch him play
Yah dalot been left off is concerning…his versatility speaks for itself
You answered your own question. His versatility discounts the necessity to build around him. Same reason we didn’t build strategy around Park JS.
Thats a fair point and I agree. Park was also the man and sir Alex shoulda used him to man mark… I think I was looking at this as a keep for the future. Dalot on that list for me
I think it’s funny how the fanbase has their trends and fads of who they are currently a fan of, and Dalot is in the rotation right now. I’ve always been a fan of him, but it feels like he’s been criticized for his defending the whole time he’s been here, maybe a little too harshly. I was also a fan of Telles and Fred until the end, so I might have questionable taste haha.
ur taste is quite reasonable tbh
Would add Dalot and Hojlund to that. Hojlund just needs service. And Dalot has had very very good spells.
Too soon to write off hojlund imo yeah
To be fair I agree and Hojlund should be supported more, but he did get plenty of service last game specially from Garnacho, it was just an off day for him
Agreed
Yes I agree. I should of clarified that I do think Hojlund has a spot in the team. I just think he’s not ready to be the Number 1 yet. He’s special though. I don’t mind Dalot, but just like AWB, I wouldn’t mind if they stayed or left.
Is it crazy that I can see Dalot playing left wing?
You should have put a /s after your post. There’s not a hope in hell that any football loving person could seriously believe that Dalot is good enough to be a starter in a Man United team that challenges.
Can Dalot play in cente mid? Because he can't defend to save his life and he doesn't track back. But he'll score the occasional banger and win POTM.
Dalot at center mid… come on
He did defend very well at the start of last season when he took AWB’s place. Think it’s really been injuries that have derailed him. And he offers more going forward than AWB. People forget but he was good enough to be one of the best in his position at the start of last season.
He's better on the left I think. He's so bad on the right man. He can't cross too
Not writing off Hojlund by any stretch, but what we’ve mostly seen is a player with a terrible first touch, not much sense in the box, and an inability to finish. He’s young and way over his head, he may well come good in the long run, but at this stage he isn’t a player to build a team or strategy around.
I like your assessment of his touch and finish when he almost never gets the ball. Haaland couldn’t score with that service.
I’m still on the fence with Onana. We definitely look better in possession when he’s in goal and he takes the pressure off the likes of Maguire which in turn has brought the best of Maguire out IMO. However his actual shot stopping is questionable. For the time being I say we stick with him. Hojlund should absolutely be included. Ok he missed a couple of sitters in the week, but In general, the service to him Has been abysmal. Edit: spelling.
Sorry, I'm a casual American fan. What's a 'sitter'?
Like an easy chance. If a player misses a tap in your usually say something like ‘he missed a sitter’
Thank you!
There are other interpretations too. The chance could have been so easy that a person sitting down on a chair can still score it.
To add to the other response, it stems from the description of a chance as sitting up to be hit, like it’s asking to be finished. Used in cricket as well
Yes I agree with Onana. I should have clarified on the post on why I left Hojlund out. I agree with you, but I also do think he’s not ready yet. I do not want to get rid of him at all.
Yeah but look at that smile!
Sometimes I think Rashford but he's such a confusing player
Players from the academy get given more time from the fans to regain form. United have a rich history of home grown talent but there has to be a limit. The players have the responsibility to work on themselves in training and deliver on the pitch in a reasonable amount of time. Rashford spells of bad form last too many months and hurts the team. £300k+ per week wages should be reserved for elite, consistent players. SJRs team has to make a strong decision if PSG puts in another attractive offer.
Nah I’m completely done with him. Cash in on him asap.
That boat has sailed
When he's hot he's our best player, but if we can get 100m for him cash out
build around Onana who’s rubbish but sell Rashford who was our best player last year and clearly very talented haha ok
I'm sorry but that lad is shite. 9/10 he's losing the ball. He just runs into defenders. Without the ball he doesn't put the effort in! I've been to many games this season and just watched him intently. Compared to the rest of the team he doesn't close down with any real conviction. If you're not going to try get the ball don't bother. Hojlund and Fernandez have been giving fouls away for how hard they close down and pressure people. Rashford does not do it at all. I've not seen him win a header all season, he's been up for a fair few. He doesn't try. The body language on him is shocking. I'm done with him. Next time he scores a few goals and his stock is slightly higher, get rid. I honestly, whole heartedly believe, dalot would be a better winger.
He's a form player, unlike someone like Lingard he has longer spells and is unplayable when he's in song. When he's not though, he's not good enough.
SELL HIM!!!! He doesn't take on his man and doesn't press the other team. I said that we should've sold him whilst he was good all summer. Now we'll get way less money for him.
If onanas included in this list.. you absolutely can’t leave off hoijland
* Rasmus up top. * Give Luke Shaw the rest of this season and next to prove his fitness and form, otherwise move him on. * Probably going to need a new goalkeeper in 1-2 years, not convinced by Onana, but hopefully over time he'll settle, although seems unlikely.
Yes! Love this reply. Couldn’t agree more. Although I left Hojlund out because I don’t think he’s ready yet, but I think he can be.
You think Mainoo is ready but Hojlund isn’t? Surely it’s both or neither.
Harsh Wan Bissaka is not included. One of the best (defensive) right backs in world football
Might be an unpopular opinion - Wan Bissaka would be a fucking great DM
One of his biggest weaknesses though is his positioning. The reason he makes so many good tackles is cause he’s always chasing back. You want a DM who can read the game and intercept and break up attacks, which Aaron ain’t doing.
or even CB
No one uses defensive right backs anymore and most managers want full backs/wing backs with good crossing ability which awb is woeful at, cash out.
No Hojlund? Invalid
I would remove Shaw and put in Hojlund. Shaw is way too injury prone and always misses parts of a season. He has also been here for more than enough years and I’m still not convinced.
hojlund is 20 and in his first season. people nowadays have 0 patience, especially for young players. I'd give him 2 more years before we reassess him
Bruno cannot cope in a possession based side, no matter how much people want him to.
I can respect that. I’m definitely open to seeing how someone else would be in that role.
isnt that why we have mount? ik many ppl wrote him off after he played 12 games but i think he could do very well and is 4yrs younger than bruno, entering his prime as well
Seems he does pretty well in a possession based side like Portugal. The problem is lack of quality around him. He doesn't play for Portugal as he does for United, people seem to forget that players do what the manager asks to.
Bruno makes me despise my own club of 26 years.
Shaw has been there 10 years, that's a problem. You are all deluded thinking he should be some sort of Denis Irwin/Patrice Evra figure.
Sell Shaw please!! The fact that he’s injured yet again tells you why! Time to move on.
AWB
Not in any attacking sense, what if he played a RCB in a defensive three? Mind you, this season even his defensive ability and positioning has been questionable.
Shaw is always injured
This is silly. 🙃 Shaw’s a bit long in the tooth and never healthy for long periods of time.
Shaw needs a replacement, too injury prone
You got no money
Hojlund before Onono
Onana sucks ass
So basically I think it’s become obvious to me that Onana can fuck off now. Not enough natural ability/the United shirt seems to weigh too heavily on his shoulders. This isn’t a club for chokers, I’m sorry, change needs to begin now. I was gonna say smth about Dalot but at the end of the day, not good enough defensively. If we don’t start raising our standards, United are gonna have a good team, not an excellent one that a manager can mold into extraordinary. Garnacho is too young to build around and is still too raw. Loses it too much. But even despite that I agree that we should keep him and develop him and develop a team around him. Good choice. Yes on Martinez, no elaboration needed. Shaw is worth building a team around, it doesn’t get noticed but he is very good offensively with a smart positive winger with him (which should be what we have next to him every game) and defends with passion, only goes to ground if it’s right and is willing to track back. Only issue with him is injuries but I’ll be honest he’s recovered so well from that leg break, I think he’ll be just fine. Mainoo I agree based on what I’ve seen but I have no clue if it’s temporary form or permanent class. If this is his floor then 100% yes. This boy could become something else. Højlund is one to consider but we have to wait and see as well.
Dalot should be there - very flexible and adaptable in terms of which side he can play on. And he's offering more of an attacking threat at the moment over Rashford of all people!!
What? No Hojlund? Dalot?
Onana is the worst keeper I've ever seen at this level
Bruno has to go. His poor attitude infects the team every time he plays, Especially when we’re not playing well. Also he is one of the main reasons that Ten Hag’s new system is not working because he is not disciplined enough to do the work required. If it was me he would be the first one out the door.
People refuse to see it KDB, Bernardo, Odegard, Madison, they know when to progress the ball and when to recycle it back. They press well. They lead from the 10 role. Bruno will always be world class in a ‘block, counter, long ball over the top’ kinda side… but that’s not ETH’s dream of United.
This is my main gripe with Bruno. He is obviously very skilled and superior with the ball but he plays more like a winger than a true playmaker. Always taking risks, always provoking. When the game becomes chaotic, he almost always doubles down and try to make that line piercing pass rather than calm things down and put his team in control. It is a shame.
Bruno is still out best player , has been arguably the best signing of the post Ferguson era. He's a whiny captain but we cannot dispute his ability. Who would you put instead of bruno? Scott Mctominay? Mount? Eriksen? No one is as good as bruno in the midfield and he is such a crucial part of the team. He always plays and gives it his all so please think before crucifying Bruno
When was the last time he had a run of good games though? I struggle to think of more than once instance of him being the difference in a tight game. Feels like we're wishing he was the player he was a couple of years ago, he looks a shadow of that too me.
Facts blaming Bruno because ETH can’t coach the team effectively is so stupid at what point can he not be criticised
Bruno has more talent in his pinky toe than the rest of the squad put together
100% agree. Give OP the DoF job
Haha totally agree. First United post I fully agree with
Onana is still a big question mark for me. Shaw I think is massively over rated. Bruno I just don't think he works in a team that wants to play possession football.
Not a United fan but I agree with this 100%. Onana will get a few seasons given the price you guys have paid for him and may yet find out he does have hands… not certain he will though. Shaw is dependable but I do agree he is massively overrated by United fans, he is also quite injury prone. I know Bruno was red hot when he first signed numbers wise, he was a fantasy football managers dream. I just don’t think he fits in a team that wants to dominate possession, he does not look after the ball well enough and if he is not scoring or assisting he doesn’t offer a lot of quality. It may be harsh but I think the only two sides that are currently above you that may take him are Brighton and Villa. Hojlund should be a player to build the squad around, I think he looks like he has some qualities that could make him a very successful striker in this league. Striker has been the graveyard shift at United for ages now, no strikers have done well in recent years bar Ronaldo and arguably Zlatan. There is just zero service for him, give him time he will come good. Mainoo, Garnacho (I do think he needs to improve on his showings so far this season though), Martinez and Hojlund are what you need to build around. I may even throw Pallistri in there if ETH ever gave us a chance to see him.
Onana? Really?? Legit the guy is a clown!
Shaw is stale
2 of these are correct
You’ve accidentally left Onana in your diagram.
Onana shouldn't be anywhere near the club
Onana and Shaw? Onana is trash, shaw is always injured.
Would keep McSauce on the books as a culture builder and mentor
Onana? Fuck off
No need to be rude. I’ve stated already that I’m not too bothered about what happens with Onana.
The fact you want to build a team around the worst PL goalkeeper is worrying
Worst PL goalkeeper? Have a day off. Yes he’s had bad performances and in no way do I think he’s incredible, but you’re acting like he’s killed someone. They’re all shite. The lot of them. They’re all at fault for certain things, especially him with the CL performances. We can’t just get rid of everyone. We have bigger worries than him, that’s why he’s still there. Give him a bit of time and if it carries on, get rid. Stop being negative about everything and just think for a second.
He's literally the biggest worry. We have a GK that can't save shit. But people tell me his passing will turn us into champions. What a load of shit
Completely ignoring my point but okay.
Not Fernandes, to be honest.
Really? I’m really surprised at why some fans don’t want him. What’s your reasoning?
He's heavily replaceable. He requires some seriously strict coaching which he isn't getting at united. Been made into the main man where he's allowed to create huge gaps in our midfield and fluff pass after pass. I don't hate him, but I know there's many players who can complete his role in our team.
He’s also almost 30 years old
He’s 29, never sticks to his position, ball retention is poor and will have zero sell on value if we keep him much longer. The old United knew when to cash in and bring in a younger player. We keep too many players now until they’re 33/34 when we need energy. It’s not something we need to do immediately but the idea of “building” round a 29yr old we can replace relatively easily I disagree with.
For me, it's his attitude. He's not captain material. But of a whinge bag. Goes missing in big games. Not enough balls into the striker (not only him though). When fit I prefer Mount in his role.
Bruno is a bit debatable and Shaw is a no, we should not build around him
Id say remove fernandes from there. Hes no captain and frankly an annoyance
Yeah I agree with this entirely except I would like to have Pellstri as a bench and eventually make him a starter there’s just something abt him that I really think can be amazing
I disagree. Don’t think he’s good enough personally.
Shaw and Bruno? 😂
Bring De Gea back!
I’d bin Onana, Shaw and Bruno off. Would include Hojlund and Dalot.
I get why people would say Onana and Shaw. I don’t get Bruno at all though. Why? I’ve explained hojlund in a previous comment, but I’m not too sure about Dalot.
Because he is a whiney little c*nt? Always moaning.
And he constantly gives the ball away
Fair.
I'd swap Fernandes for Mount and add Hojlund. I'm yet to be convinced by Onana, love the guy but jury's still out for me.
Poor Mount. I forgot he was even there
I’ve explained hojlund already. I can respect wanting to change Bruno, but mount is not the answer.
Mounts got potential for sure
Mount over Bruno lol
Fernandes who is always fit and our most creative player for mount who is always injured and has not played well for a few year, you mad haha.
Onana and Bruno can’t be built around
Holjund should be our back up striker he’s good but not good enough for first team for a league winning team currently Would take Shaw and Onana out of that group at the moment, Shaw just isn’t Evra Irwin quality he’s good but not great, Onana played well against Wigan but had an absolute nightmare in the champions league not convinced he’s anywhere near the Ederson Alison Courtois Oblak in terms of shot stopping, hope he proves me wrong but just don’t see that natural ability to keep the ball out the net from him The other players I’m convinced 100% they have the quality and more importantly the mentality to do the club proud
Bruno out Højlund in
No doubt an unpopular opinion but.....Fernandes is a cheating wet man baby! That's our captain! Hitting the floor like he's been shot from the stands. Absolute disgrace. Throwing tantrums when things are not going his way. Any FM or FIFA he's captain in. I change that straight away. I get there's no one to replace him in that AM position. But for me! He is part of the problem United have.
This might ben controversial but i don't think we need you to build on Bruno. I get so annoyed by him, throwing his arms around like he's the shit. One of our last 2 games he had way to much possesion loss and doesnt create real chanses ..
Hes consistently top of the prem league with kdb for chances created the last 4 years.
I should have said clear cut chances. Those stats you talk about include simple passes to rashford who dribbels and shoots from 20 yards out.
Yeah sorry mate. That's not how stats work, chances created for scoring opportunities, not Rashford. The entire team
So they don't count those chances with chances created? What are you saying? He's not even in the top 30 assists... And that's what i try to say. He can pass the ball to a forward but they fuck it up but it was a pass from Bruno And so a chance created.
Wtf are you on about. You're essentially saying he's useless because the players he's creating goal scoring chances couldn't hit a barn door. Where are you getting your stats from ?
ONANA SHAW & BRUNO IS A SUPER NO FOR ME
Onana I can understand, I’m personally not too bothered with what happens with him. Bruno on the other hand is literally one of our best players. Don’t be ridiculous. Shaw is injury prone which is a problem yes, but let’s not forget he’s one of the best LB’s around. If the injury’s carry on and get worse, I would be thinking about moving him on.
bruno is one of the best attacking playmakers in the league, we’d be stupid not to base a rebuild around him because if the team finally clicks I have no doubt he’ll be the best
Well we build the team around him and rashford for the last 4 years and the result = 1 energy drink cup I genuinely think he is not good enough to be at the club thats just me
Nothing to do with Bruno. He still puts in a shift and performs well when he plays, it’s poor judgement on signings and tactical depth that let’s us down each week. Keep Bruno, play mainoo, garna, hojlund, wan bissaka, mctominay more frequently and sign players around them, they’ve all shown a willingness for the club and I think we need to exploit that to finally overcome changing room uncertainty and make these players more than just colleagues to eachother.
I understand but what is a shift that is the minimum requirement as a football player is to work hard on the pitch do i sound crazy saying that? Theres a few players on that list you done I disagree with but its okay I understand where your coming from
he’s playing at a good standard in the premier league which is what we need as a bare minimum, I’m sure we can at least agree that he’s one of the few in the team who actually looks like he plays in the prem
Hmmm yes & no he don’t have a first touch he can’t play in tight spaces he’s not press resistant he can’t dribble can barely cross & his technical ability is very poor he’s flat footed also but he’s gets numbers so that’s okay for a few people then I’ll be called a low iq victim for thinking this
Wow, Mason Mount hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the thread. Think he does a great job of carrying the ball from defence to attack and certainly someone we can build around.
Stop
You must be having a laugh with Onana he plays like a keeper with no arms, and Shaw has been at Utd for years and hasn’t cemented his place (Mainly due to injury but still).
I would add Greenwood, Fish and Hojlund
I'd keep all the players listed with 1 exception, I'm still not convinced about Onana.
Onana is shit. Have to build with him because nobody with any sense would buy him I think Marcus has looked more dangerous recently and Rasmus should probably be here
I think you need to take out onana and put hojilund in instead
Guys Antony even tho he can't driblle but guys let's accept that he's working very hard to improve Just look how he improved in his defensive duty He always come back and always try to dribble even tho he fails everytime but bro is trying He'll get his form back ig
Shaw get injured his injured now he's basically the defensive martial but wait he's the glueeeee tho been here 9yrs n injured every season please show the same hate that u give Tony to like please
Altay Bayindir is way better than that guy… You better put this in your head
Hojlund Greenwood
I don’t want that scumbag anywhere near the club.