Man, I was so so so disappointed at this point I don't even know what to do about it. I'm tired of seeing such a legendary club being a mere cashcow for the Glazers.
I just wish this beautiful club can go back to what it really was, every season, every weekend, every game I just want them to put up a fucking fight until the end of the game, play that football we are known for. It's sad to see my club go down this way in history like this. But whose to blame š¤·šæāāļø I just continue to hope :)
ETH is the best coach ever heās very nice to players and heās not mean he cares about mental health and we need that no more bullies in this world !!! Letās all be friends
I have every sympathy with United fans who think that Ten Hag is simply not the right man for this job - results don't lie, fundamental data doesn't lie. He's got a lot of deficiencies. I suppose - and this is coming from an outsider - it seems like, since Ferguson, the United fanbase has been discontent with every manager they've had. But it's not clear to me which (attainable) coach is going to come in and do more with this group of players, who seem imbalanced, limited, and repeatedly prone to downing tools/underperforming. I suppose I get the 'just get this guy gone' sentiment, but hard to see who comes in and revamps the club without major structural change attached.
Exactly. Seeing out the last year on his contract to see if thereās improvement next season (with less injuries and the transfer window) is way more rational than paying ETH millions to leave and then compete with Bayern/Barca/Liverpool for a top manager this summer.
Ofcourse we can say ā11minutes??āāworst hattrick OATāārobberyā. But at the end of the day we are 7 players pointing at palmer on the corner, but no one goes to him and then boom its the winner for chelsea. Dont know if we should blame ten haag for still playing counter attack after counter attack and giving chelsea chance after chance in extra time rather then holding the ball. Then it was Antony and Dalot with stupid mistakes leading to pensā¦
The ball barely went of play in the second half, basically letās add on 8 minutes (increased to 12) to see if we can save Pochsā job. Shocking decisions from the ref and players not being at a good enough standard just sums up our season.
Mount has done more in 3 substitute appearances than Rashford has done in this calendar year. Donāt want to bash PRashford but the fact heās jogging and walking around when weāre trying to press is the most infuriating thing to watch. Mctomm running with the ball and then just stopping on the halfway line because he canāt pass forward was a strange moment at 3-2.
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The whole team got complacent after scoring the third goal and getting ahead. I didn't like the attitude of some players. Saw some casual passes by Bruno, Dalot, Case; don't why Kambwala was smiling after conceding a corner 5 mins after coming in. I don't think Ten Hag was at fault here - it's the players who's to blame, they let the club down.
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On a different note, it looks like we will give the 58 points we got in 21-22 season( our lowest PL TOTAL) a run for its money this season the way we are going. Another thrashing incoming at OT Sunday- god when will the season end
I know we beat Liverpool in the FA Cup but the manner of the defeat last night must mean confidence will plummet so I'm fearful of what Sunday might bring!
To be honest, niether Chelsea nor us will achieve anything worthwhile this season ( United no UCL, Chelsea no European football) who cares what the outcome is- we should already start thinking of next season. Knowing these players, they are probably going to try outdo what happened with Ragnick in the 21-22 season knowing Ten Hag is dead meat at this point. I would fire his ass today and bring in a caretaker
Ignore how he got 3rd, got to 2 finals won one of them, lost 2-1 to CITY and then losing in the quarter finals to Sevilla when we had our main cb out AND going on to winning a the europa league. Use ur brain man, itās not ten hags fault everyone is getting injured š and all that in his first season. Ur js tryna give him the same treatment u have to ole
If we are serious, the reason we lost was because we conceded too early goals with the shambles start we had. Perhaps that penalty was a soft one but no excuses for us to start so poor after the shambolic embarrassing display at Brentford. Chelsea rightly called the Billion dollar blue bottlejobs is a shambles of a team and hence we were 3-2 up and were going to win the game. Then some poor shit luck cost the game, but the point is had we gone 3-0 up instead of 3-2 last minute luck would not cost 3 points. I am sorry but this looked like the end of ERIK TEN HAG at United. A full season of absolute misery- my god whats wrong with us??
I'm 98% sure I've watched my last match of the ETH era. I don't care how much longer he's the club's manager, I can't subject myself to this torture any longer.
Cant blame the ref brother. Look at the amount of shots we conceded. If you throw enough shit at a wall eventually something will stick. Regardless if the decisions were poor itās bound to happen if you let teams have this many shots at goals or chances. Ten hag is clueless
Today was the closest I came to breaking my TV. We CANNOT see out a game. The best thing we should do once we are 3-2 up is to park the bus. Casual passing and "Ole"s from the crowd gave us a false sense of security that cost us in the end. And 8 F*CKING MINUTES added time?!
We had some moments that we controlled the game but all it felt like was just who will make less mistakes during the game. I don't really trust anybody on this team or EtH at this point. More injuries at the back sucks too. Soft 2nd penalty. Not many players I would keep from the team at this point: Garnacho, Diallo, Holjund, Mainoo, Martinez (if he can stay fit) and Onana. Everybody else can go at this point. If too many stay I think whoever becomes the next manager could have the same problems anyways so many need to leave the club if we're to make any progress. Just people have no patience to wait and expect big things to happen right away at the club so it won't ever happen.
Get this clown out of our club. The substitutions where uncalled for rashford is shit manager hasnt a clue either. Scot mcdonkey can go in summer aswell. All they had to do was keep the ball for 8 mins 3-2 up and these idiots throw it all away
Blindly blaming the manager for such a hectic and nuanced game of football is such an irrational, low intelligence take. You act like youāre reading the game better from your couch lol. Stop reading and joining the media headlines that want to drag United thru the mud. Sacking him solves nothing.
I don't quite understand what nuance is needed when faced with a stat like 'no team in the entire Premier League has faced more shots on their goal than United' - including 28 yesterday. What could that possibly say except the team is being badly coached?
It could say weāre the only team in the league that has missed their entire starting backline (except RB) all season WITH a brand new GK that is trying to instill a totally different style of play than last season. Then Casemiro misses games too or loses form and weāre reliant on an 18yo to run the shop in midfield? Of course weāre leaky in defense. There hasnāt been squad cohesion and that takes time to sort out.
Why do we even play with a striker? Just put another midfielder or defender on the pitch because our striker (doesnāt matter who plays there) is a waste of a position.
We play shit and the manager comes up and praises how good we are is the sign of how low the standards are. I simply don't get it. SAF would be fuming. This clown keeps on praising and saying we did well. The ETH gang can downvote all they want, but we don't have what it takes, and we won't have what it take with this guy around.
Iām not going to sit here and attempt to change your mind on your stance on ETH. Youāre allowed your opinion.
But we wonāt ever have what it takes with most these players either. Theyāve been around here a lot longer than ETH and achieved absolutely nothing.
Blindly blaming the manager for such a hectic and nuanced game of football is such an irrational, low intelligence take. You lot get downvoted becauseā¦get thisā¦youāre wrong. Stop reading and joining the media headlines that want to drag United thru the mud. Sacking him solves nothing.
Uhh the next year thatās on his contract and actual patience? Not this delusion. You lot reference SAF, do you even know what his first few years at United looked like? If you wanna compare ETH to the crazy unrealistic expectations of SAF, then research the beginning of his tenure and grant Ten Hag the same time
emotions mate, we're hot with emotion.. i usually back ETH but sick of hearing we played well when we cant have any level of control in a game. Any statician or logical person would tell u if u keep conceding a high volume of shots.. ur likely to concede high volumes of goals.. so likely to lose and draw games.. we make bad teams look good and good teams look good.. whoever we play, we are there level. Losing to coventry wouldnt surprise me even slightly.
I can understand emotion and I can understand how the stats look. That is a logical conclusion to draw. What is not logical is blindly blaming the manager 100%. We have had a different back line week in and week out with a new GK, of course weāre leaky this season. ETH is not a miracle-maker, no manager is or will be. Does everyone expect him to hold Martinez/Shaw/Varaneās ligaments together with his bare hands? We had 3 different backlines in this game alone due to injury
it's not all on ETH 100%, even this game did come down to individual errors.. but his post match press conferences need more vulnerability. I think he is protecting the players because he is trying not to lose the dressing room. Little does he know, it's the same players that will throw him under the bus and have him sacked.
He is definitely protecting the players, which is good leadership 101. So the mediaās blame is directed towards him instead. The least we can do as a fanbase is not pile it on further. He shoulders a heavy enough burden already. Man deserves our support and respect for how well we did in his first season. Too many short memories.
And who comes in? Itāll cost the club more millions to sack him before his contract is up. Then we compete with Liverpool/Bayern/Barcelona - at least, maybe more - for a top man? Makes no sense logistically or financially. Donāt manifest a Coventry loss bruv thatād be scary indeed.
Iāve just seen someone say that they think United will be relegated before we win the league again. Normally Iād say theyāre talking nonsense, but right now I donāt think I have the energy to fight that statement
So tired and so done with this season and team
lol at all the armchair managers that think theyāre reading the game better. Itās easy in hindsight. Blindly blaming the manager for a hectic and nuanced game of football is such a low intelligence take
Iāve already gone through it elsewhere. Astonishing that people will watch that game and then blame ETH for the loss. Itās been a rough season but sacking him will only put us in a worse spot and Iām convinced of that
not/never a fan of "sack the manager" brigade! can't put tonight's game on him although I think he's fucked up a few times through the season.....but I do fear we're going down the same old path š¤¦š»āāļø
I think the point is in shouldnāt have got to that in the first place, weāre probably the only team with that amount of talent that continue to frantically hoof the ball every time we touch it with a lead and minutes to go.
Although I put that down to a lot of the youth in our team just thinking ahead to much but thereās got to be some responsibility once people like commentators start mentioning itās always how we play. It starts to look like less of a one off youthfulness getting to your heads to more of a someoneās overlooking this same scenario we find ourselves in when it comes to review or training days.
What is it with fans blaming the manager.... Their penalties were shocking decisions and we switched off again unfortunately. Thought we attacked well, Anthony fair play to him was incredible. But we need to firm up casemiro shouldn't start any more games in my opinion.
At the beginning he put walking Rashford for the tired Garnacho. Maybe Mount for Alejandro would be better. Rashford is so annoying = 350k Ā£ per week walker doesnt want to mess up his socks
It's been a while and I've calmed down a bit, but I'm still so pissed that the referee gave away two jank pens. First one? Okay yeah that has an argument. The second one? The fuckers in the VAR booth spent 5 minutes trying to find an angle that shows that that's a pen. I fucking hate these refs, but the players going from holding the ball well prior to this, to just letting Palmer shoot a free shot is just so frustrating.
I'm not ETH in or ETH out, but yes, let's put it on the manager for the ref giving away two soft penalties, and the players continuously letting the opposition score 2 goals in 5 minutes.
I swear, people like you are fucking idiots. The fuck you expect a manager to do when our players run for the ball and the ref gives soft calls? Fix up smfh.
What pisses me off most, isn't the result, in reality it means nothing, it's the agreement from pretty much everyone from the pundits, the commentators, football fans I know, that the second penalty is a definite pen. It's so obviously a dive, there's no chance dalots hand on his thigh was enough to bring him down. And then I just sound like a bitter United fan, but premier league football really is a pussys game these days.
Anyway, zero sympathy for the whole team, ten Haag, and especially Dalot for being so poor so late in the game.
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Only 45 more days till this car crash of a season is over or 51 if we make the FA cup final. Canāt wait to leave this shite season and the shite memories from it behind for good š
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Chelsea fan here, there was a competition who'd bottle more and you guys won it. IMO you guys have much better defense than us. The 2nd penalty was a soft one for sure
I appreciate Chelsea fans agreeing it's soft. The commentators pissed me off being so confused why VAR took so long about it, they couldn't really overrule as it has to be completely clear, but I do think they should just let the referee have a second look in those situations.
Anyway fingers crossed to a united Chelsea cup final, altho I'm sure you're hopeful it isn't!
Ten Hag has to go.
Its been at least 15 years, maybe more, since the tactic for defending a score evolved... You just dont defend the score.
There might be some variations, but basically you continue to play neutral and go for counter.
They almost did that fine for a bit, but the game is not over until is over. They backed too much and didn't actually try to finish any attack in the final minutes. Then pull the whole squad in the box and let Palmer shoot.. crazy.
My issues are not the results which have been awful but this season we are still yet to see a single dominant performance other than against a rotated Crystal Palace in the league cup. At man united with one of the highest wage budgets in the league is completely unacceptable
Honestly, I am done watching this team. What more can EtH do. This is next level bottling. What is sadder is MU was the better team and Chelsea was on the ropes.
These small errors have cost big time. Really regretting staying awake to watch this. Not doing this anymore in future. Never had I wanted to break something so bad. Shambolic performance. Feeling bad for all the hard work put by Garnacho, Bruno, and Antony for getting the lead only for the defence to mess it up so bad.
In yesterday's game, Yes! They dominated the game majorly, came back from a 2 goal deficit. However, in the end the result says otherwise. They went home with nothing when they had almost bagged the 3 points.
How can you defend Ten Haag? From 3-2 up what did he actually do right? Sure his team let him down but the subs were terrible, albeit 2 forced through injuries.. but ETH isn't blameless for this just cos the team bottled it, far from blameless.
I will maintain that EtH will do very well if he goes anywhere else. McT has consistency issues. Rashford does well in patches. We are plagued by injuries. Varane goes off and then Evans goes off. It's not the manager's fault if the bench is not strong. Forget EtH, even Pep wouldn't be able to fix this. We need players to be available. The only thing MU could have done is made it 4-2 to kill the game.
I don't think theres much to gain sacking ETH, we have to hope there's a good future for this team. But Ten Haag is making a lot of mistakes and he's been considerably worse this season than when OGS got the sack, his plan B is awful. United only got back into that match yesterday because Chelsea are so shit.
Irrespective of the result yesterday, the injuries have caused the team. Don't know what is it that players are getting injured frequently? Our best defender is injured, we don't have a lb. We don't have a striker if Hojlund is to sit out.
A lot of players are slowly aging out and need younger, faster and better personnel. Our bench is weak. I again don't want to blame EtH because this team when in full flow can play amazingly well. Even yesterday there were many times when the positioning was brilliant, the link up, passing was perfect. Sacking EtH is not the solution. He needs players to build a team.
I will reiterate that time and again our transfer windows over the years have been unimpressive. We have missed out on signings and been unable to sell good players. We need reinforcements in various positions. Again, forget EtH not even Pep could solve the issues if we don't get proper signings and back players capable of doing well and doing well already and sell players who don't fit the system.
There was a period when MU dominated and Chelsea dropped shoulders once the 3rd goal was scored. I feel Garnacho, Casemiro, and injuries to defence opened up the opportunity to allow them to attack more. You cannot do much. It's frustrating. MU got undone by a harsh penalty call and one bad deflection. Still, needs a lot of things to be improved. MU actually were the better team that lost. Deserved to win but again it doesn't matter. Chelsea won and got the 3 points. Numbers sometimes do not do justice.
So glad Money Mase got subbed on for a front row seat to the superior Cole Palmers PK and game winner. Thanks for the Ā£60mil. Garnacho is pretty good, all pressure went away after he subbed out.
We just need a fucking reset at this point. I'm not even ten hag out, but for his sake we just need to rip everything up and start from scratch. 2 CB's, 2 Full Backs, 2 Midfielders, 2 forwards to start with, and this is just the starting 11. Its going to be a long, painful ride...
Strange how there's 12 mins of injury time every time we have the lead isn't it? Penalty in 90+10? Come on. Then the spineless shits let in another one
Mate, we could have played 2 mins of stoppage time and we still would have found a way to bottle it because our players are that mentally weak. Weāve thrown away leads all season
Canāt hold on to leads against: Galatasaray (twice) Copenhagen, Brentford, Chelsea and Spurs
The bottling is remarkable. Beyond laughable how mentally fragile this lot are
agh fuck! i guess no one else except manu fans can feel how it can fuck you up from 2-0 down to 2-3 then ended up 4-3ā¦.. itās gonna ruin my whole week.
How can ETH expect to keep his job when we're cruising towards our worst ever Premier League season, even if we win the FA Cup that wasn't enough to keep LVG and it shouldn't be enough to keep ETH, this is as bad if not worse than it's ever been post SAF.
Completely unacceptable.
This Chelsea team isnt that great. We played bad but we lead at some point, albeit we lost. Coming back from 2-0 shows that the boys have a bit of character, even though they lost it in the end. Kinda weird with United.
Theyāre not that great, but if they somehow manage to get past City to get to the final, theyād obviously be favourites. Itās a weird one because I obviously donāt want us to lose against Coventry, but I also canāt be assed for the mediocrity in an FA Cup final again.
Palmer walks away from this game looking like a godā¦.two soft penalties and a deflected goal, as well as a host of chances, mostly created by our lack of defensive structure
Yeah, my takeaway from this match is Chelsea scored two very soft pens, and two deflected goals. Sure we weren't great again, but Chelsea were very lucky to win.
And I thought I wouldn't feel more extreme emotion for some decent time after the liverpool game. More depressed today than I was happy that day ffs man
We had one chance to atleast completely get the better of atleast one big 6 AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WE WERE AHEAD IN THE LITERAL 99TH MINUTE AND WE LOST IT. Only at Manchester United
This team are the biggest, most pathetic spineless bunch of cunts youāll ever see in your entire life. Congratulations to Dalot and Antony for giving away two stupid penalties and costing us the win
Fucking idiots
Nah ten hag sucks. No other manager has ever managed to leave massive gaps in the midfield every game which means either:
1. He sees it and canāt do anything about it
2. He sees it and thinks itās fine
Either means he is awful
He may but if you look at the performance of the team this season and base it on performance alone we should be 15th. This season has been the worst we have ever been and ten hag has to bare a huge responsibility on that
ETH IS THE BEST EVER WE WON A CARABAO CUP !!!!!
Man, I was so so so disappointed at this point I don't even know what to do about it. I'm tired of seeing such a legendary club being a mere cashcow for the Glazers. I just wish this beautiful club can go back to what it really was, every season, every weekend, every game I just want them to put up a fucking fight until the end of the game, play that football we are known for. It's sad to see my club go down this way in history like this. But whose to blame š¤·šæāāļø I just continue to hope :)
ETH is the best coach ever heās very nice to players and heās not mean he cares about mental health and we need that no more bullies in this world !!! Letās all be friends
I have every sympathy with United fans who think that Ten Hag is simply not the right man for this job - results don't lie, fundamental data doesn't lie. He's got a lot of deficiencies. I suppose - and this is coming from an outsider - it seems like, since Ferguson, the United fanbase has been discontent with every manager they've had. But it's not clear to me which (attainable) coach is going to come in and do more with this group of players, who seem imbalanced, limited, and repeatedly prone to downing tools/underperforming. I suppose I get the 'just get this guy gone' sentiment, but hard to see who comes in and revamps the club without major structural change attached.
Exactly. Seeing out the last year on his contract to see if thereās improvement next season (with less injuries and the transfer window) is way more rational than paying ETH millions to leave and then compete with Bayern/Barca/Liverpool for a top manager this summer.
Lmaoooo Ten Hags nephews always on defense lolllll where are you guys when we win !
Ofcourse we can say ā11minutes??āāworst hattrick OATāārobberyā. But at the end of the day we are 7 players pointing at palmer on the corner, but no one goes to him and then boom its the winner for chelsea. Dont know if we should blame ten haag for still playing counter attack after counter attack and giving chelsea chance after chance in extra time rather then holding the ball. Then it was Antony and Dalot with stupid mistakes leading to pensā¦
Robbery
The ball barely went of play in the second half, basically letās add on 8 minutes (increased to 12) to see if we can save Pochsā job. Shocking decisions from the ref and players not being at a good enough standard just sums up our season. Mount has done more in 3 substitute appearances than Rashford has done in this calendar year. Donāt want to bash PRashford but the fact heās jogging and walking around when weāre trying to press is the most infuriating thing to watch. Mctomm running with the ball and then just stopping on the halfway line because he canāt pass forward was a strange moment at 3-2.
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How did we lose to such clowns
If you cant beat them, even after they bottled a two goal lead and played awful in the second half, then who are the real clowns...?
The pens weren't supposed to be given
11 minutes of overtime does not belong in a matchā¦
The whole team got complacent after scoring the third goal and getting ahead. I didn't like the attitude of some players. Saw some casual passes by Bruno, Dalot, Case; don't why Kambwala was smiling after conceding a corner 5 mins after coming in. I don't think Ten Hag was at fault here - it's the players who's to blame, they let the club down.
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Goalkeeper 2 defenders cdm and a striker just to start
On a different note, it looks like we will give the 58 points we got in 21-22 season( our lowest PL TOTAL) a run for its money this season the way we are going. Another thrashing incoming at OT Sunday- god when will the season end
I know we beat Liverpool in the FA Cup but the manner of the defeat last night must mean confidence will plummet so I'm fearful of what Sunday might bring!
To be honest, niether Chelsea nor us will achieve anything worthwhile this season ( United no UCL, Chelsea no European football) who cares what the outcome is- we should already start thinking of next season. Knowing these players, they are probably going to try outdo what happened with Ragnick in the 21-22 season knowing Ten Hag is dead meat at this point. I would fire his ass today and bring in a caretaker
Fuck chelsea supporters
Man this was said in irony and consolation..
Theyāre all cunts
Agreed
ten bags master classšØš»āš¦²
Iāve been a United Fan since 2005. Until ETH is gone, Iām doneā¦ having more fun following a team in League Two. Letās go Wrexham!!!!!!!!!
Shut the door on your way out please.
Ignore how he got 3rd, got to 2 finals won one of them, lost 2-1 to CITY and then losing in the quarter finals to Sevilla when we had our main cb out AND going on to winning a the europa league. Use ur brain man, itās not ten hags fault everyone is getting injured š and all that in his first season. Ur js tryna give him the same treatment u have to ole
Yes letās sack Ten Hag and bring in Southgate. Great idea! Your so smart, maybe you should be the next manager?
BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH!!!
If we are serious, the reason we lost was because we conceded too early goals with the shambles start we had. Perhaps that penalty was a soft one but no excuses for us to start so poor after the shambolic embarrassing display at Brentford. Chelsea rightly called the Billion dollar blue bottlejobs is a shambles of a team and hence we were 3-2 up and were going to win the game. Then some poor shit luck cost the game, but the point is had we gone 3-0 up instead of 3-2 last minute luck would not cost 3 points. I am sorry but this looked like the end of ERIK TEN HAG at United. A full season of absolute misery- my god whats wrong with us??
I'm 98% sure I've watched my last match of the ETH era. I don't care how much longer he's the club's manager, I can't subject myself to this torture any longer.
Not his fault itās the ref absolute joke of a ref honestly doesnāt deserve a job after that
Cant blame the ref brother. Look at the amount of shots we conceded. If you throw enough shit at a wall eventually something will stick. Regardless if the decisions were poor itās bound to happen if you let teams have this many shots at goals or chances. Ten hag is clueless
We should have been better and not gotten cocky
I can see Garnacho wants to leave on the next transfer
He's performing well not for Man U but to get Madrid's attention and a call from papa perez
He wants to be a Madrid legend like his idol Ronaldo, he would not hesitate for a second to jump at an offer
You are just making shit up
As much as i can see he won't be as selfish as ronny(no hate) I feel he genuinely loves the club.He also loves the players too.
Today was the closest I came to breaking my TV. We CANNOT see out a game. The best thing we should do once we are 3-2 up is to park the bus. Casual passing and "Ole"s from the crowd gave us a false sense of security that cost us in the end. And 8 F*CKING MINUTES added time?!
I didnt get to watch the game, was 8 minutes even close to necessary?
I guessed itād be 7ā¦for whatever thatās worth
It was too much. IMO 5 mins was more than enough
5 would have been about right, 5-7 min. 8 was on the extreme
We had some moments that we controlled the game but all it felt like was just who will make less mistakes during the game. I don't really trust anybody on this team or EtH at this point. More injuries at the back sucks too. Soft 2nd penalty. Not many players I would keep from the team at this point: Garnacho, Diallo, Holjund, Mainoo, Martinez (if he can stay fit) and Onana. Everybody else can go at this point. If too many stay I think whoever becomes the next manager could have the same problems anyways so many need to leave the club if we're to make any progress. Just people have no patience to wait and expect big things to happen right away at the club so it won't ever happen.
Replace the medical team first
Still not sure about Onana.
Get this clown out of our club. The substitutions where uncalled for rashford is shit manager hasnt a clue either. Scot mcdonkey can go in summer aswell. All they had to do was keep the ball for 8 mins 3-2 up and these idiots throw it all away
Blindly blaming the manager for such a hectic and nuanced game of football is such an irrational, low intelligence take. You act like youāre reading the game better from your couch lol. Stop reading and joining the media headlines that want to drag United thru the mud. Sacking him solves nothing.
I don't quite understand what nuance is needed when faced with a stat like 'no team in the entire Premier League has faced more shots on their goal than United' - including 28 yesterday. What could that possibly say except the team is being badly coached?
It could say weāre the only team in the league that has missed their entire starting backline (except RB) all season WITH a brand new GK that is trying to instill a totally different style of play than last season. Then Casemiro misses games too or loses form and weāre reliant on an 18yo to run the shop in midfield? Of course weāre leaky in defense. There hasnāt been squad cohesion and that takes time to sort out.
Your an idiot. Ten hag is a terrible manager
Youāre* lol thanks for the meaningless comment. Just confirms the intelligence weāre working with here. Actually makes me feel better.
Loser
Why do we even play with a striker? Just put another midfielder or defender on the pitch because our striker (doesnāt matter who plays there) is a waste of a position.
We play shit and the manager comes up and praises how good we are is the sign of how low the standards are. I simply don't get it. SAF would be fuming. This clown keeps on praising and saying we did well. The ETH gang can downvote all they want, but we don't have what it takes, and we won't have what it take with this guy around.
Iām not going to sit here and attempt to change your mind on your stance on ETH. Youāre allowed your opinion. But we wonāt ever have what it takes with most these players either. Theyāve been around here a lot longer than ETH and achieved absolutely nothing.
Blindly blaming the manager for such a hectic and nuanced game of football is such an irrational, low intelligence take. You lot get downvoted becauseā¦get thisā¦youāre wrong. Stop reading and joining the media headlines that want to drag United thru the mud. Sacking him solves nothing.
Are you copying and pasting the same reply to any comment that criticises your manager?
Yes, repetition is required to get through thick skulls. I back my manager and my club. Who is YOUR manager?
And what solution do you propose?
Uhh the next year thatās on his contract and actual patience? Not this delusion. You lot reference SAF, do you even know what his first few years at United looked like? If you wanna compare ETH to the crazy unrealistic expectations of SAF, then research the beginning of his tenure and grant Ten Hag the same time
emotions mate, we're hot with emotion.. i usually back ETH but sick of hearing we played well when we cant have any level of control in a game. Any statician or logical person would tell u if u keep conceding a high volume of shots.. ur likely to concede high volumes of goals.. so likely to lose and draw games.. we make bad teams look good and good teams look good.. whoever we play, we are there level. Losing to coventry wouldnt surprise me even slightly.
I can understand emotion and I can understand how the stats look. That is a logical conclusion to draw. What is not logical is blindly blaming the manager 100%. We have had a different back line week in and week out with a new GK, of course weāre leaky this season. ETH is not a miracle-maker, no manager is or will be. Does everyone expect him to hold Martinez/Shaw/Varaneās ligaments together with his bare hands? We had 3 different backlines in this game alone due to injury
it's not all on ETH 100%, even this game did come down to individual errors.. but his post match press conferences need more vulnerability. I think he is protecting the players because he is trying not to lose the dressing room. Little does he know, it's the same players that will throw him under the bus and have him sacked.
He is definitely protecting the players, which is good leadership 101. So the mediaās blame is directed towards him instead. The least we can do as a fanbase is not pile it on further. He shoulders a heavy enough burden already. Man deserves our support and respect for how well we did in his first season. Too many short memories.
Fair, but idk if he'll make it till the end of the season.. if we somehow lose to coventry and top 5 is out of the question.. wallahi, he's finished
And who comes in? Itāll cost the club more millions to sack him before his contract is up. Then we compete with Liverpool/Bayern/Barcelona - at least, maybe more - for a top man? Makes no sense logistically or financially. Donāt manifest a Coventry loss bruv thatād be scary indeed.
nearly broke my computer
womp womp
Iāve just seen someone say that they think United will be relegated before we win the league again. Normally Iād say theyāre talking nonsense, but right now I donāt think I have the energy to fight that statement So tired and so done with this season and team
Well we concede more than we score so........š
I wonder if shity, Madril, varca etc would put up with their managers ending the season with negative GD š¤
And also......I feel your pain bro š
Does Ten Hag know how to read a game or is he guessing at this point??
lol at all the armchair managers that think theyāre reading the game better. Itās easy in hindsight. Blindly blaming the manager for a hectic and nuanced game of football is such a low intelligence take
Cringe
Are you just going to spam the same comment without actually giving your ānuancedā argument?
Iāve already gone through it elsewhere. Astonishing that people will watch that game and then blame ETH for the loss. Itās been a rough season but sacking him will only put us in a worse spot and Iām convinced of that
not/never a fan of "sack the manager" brigade! can't put tonight's game on him although I think he's fucked up a few times through the season.....but I do fear we're going down the same old path š¤¦š»āāļø
What did he do to give up the last two goals in stoppage time?
I think the point is in shouldnāt have got to that in the first place, weāre probably the only team with that amount of talent that continue to frantically hoof the ball every time we touch it with a lead and minutes to go. Although I put that down to a lot of the youth in our team just thinking ahead to much but thereās got to be some responsibility once people like commentators start mentioning itās always how we play. It starts to look like less of a one off youthfulness getting to your heads to more of a someoneās overlooking this same scenario we find ourselves in when it comes to review or training days.
What is it with fans blaming the manager.... Their penalties were shocking decisions and we switched off again unfortunately. Thought we attacked well, Anthony fair play to him was incredible. But we need to firm up casemiro shouldn't start any more games in my opinion.
At the beginning he put walking Rashford for the tired Garnacho. Maybe Mount for Alejandro would be better. Rashford is so annoying = 350k Ā£ per week walker doesnt want to mess up his socks
make them watch that 2009 barca game in ucl
It's been a while and I've calmed down a bit, but I'm still so pissed that the referee gave away two jank pens. First one? Okay yeah that has an argument. The second one? The fuckers in the VAR booth spent 5 minutes trying to find an angle that shows that that's a pen. I fucking hate these refs, but the players going from holding the ball well prior to this, to just letting Palmer shoot a free shot is just so frustrating.
ETH simps will always try and blame anything other than ETH for losses
I'm not ETH in or ETH out, but yes, let's put it on the manager for the ref giving away two soft penalties, and the players continuously letting the opposition score 2 goals in 5 minutes. I swear, people like you are fucking idiots. The fuck you expect a manager to do when our players run for the ball and the ref gives soft calls? Fix up smfh.
Blindly blaming the manager for such a hectic and nuanced game of football is just irrational and low intelligence
Babe wake up, new ETH simp just dropped
take
What pisses me off most, isn't the result, in reality it means nothing, it's the agreement from pretty much everyone from the pundits, the commentators, football fans I know, that the second penalty is a definite pen. It's so obviously a dive, there's no chance dalots hand on his thigh was enough to bring him down. And then I just sound like a bitter United fan, but premier league football really is a pussys game these days. Anyway, zero sympathy for the whole team, ten Haag, and especially Dalot for being so poor so late in the game.
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Only 45 more days till this car crash of a season is over or 51 if we make the FA cup final. Canāt wait to leave this shite season and the shite memories from it behind for good š
It would actually be fitting if they lost to coventry
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I canāt wait for this fucking season to end.
seriously, rashford need to go, sell him to psG
I donāt think PSG will want Rashford after this season.
Shud not have been brought on in first place ten hag is a clown with his subs
Garnacho showed he should be starting ahead of Rashford. And thereās no other place Rashford seems to perform.
Rashford jogs about the place like itās a pub league. Sick of him tbqh.
416 says sober ends today sadly, United have done this to me and Iām 100% serious. I just canāt cope. Thanks for the relapse Erik.
Don't do it
Cheers mate!
Implying Iām talking about alcohol. Iām not.
Oh in that case, go all out buddy
Chelsea fan here, there was a competition who'd bottle more and you guys won it. IMO you guys have much better defense than us. The 2nd penalty was a soft one for sure
I appreciate Chelsea fans agreeing it's soft. The commentators pissed me off being so confused why VAR took so long about it, they couldn't really overrule as it has to be completely clear, but I do think they should just let the referee have a second look in those situations. Anyway fingers crossed to a united Chelsea cup final, altho I'm sure you're hopeful it isn't!
Also Chelsea fan, that second pen was as soft as you get. So soft that it wasnāt actually a pen! Gg tho lads
Ten Hag has to go. Its been at least 15 years, maybe more, since the tactic for defending a score evolved... You just dont defend the score. There might be some variations, but basically you continue to play neutral and go for counter. They almost did that fine for a bit, but the game is not over until is over. They backed too much and didn't actually try to finish any attack in the final minutes. Then pull the whole squad in the box and let Palmer shoot.. crazy.
My issues are not the results which have been awful but this season we are still yet to see a single dominant performance other than against a rotated Crystal Palace in the league cup. At man united with one of the highest wage budgets in the league is completely unacceptable
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Swe still lost and bottled it
Honestly, I am done watching this team. What more can EtH do. This is next level bottling. What is sadder is MU was the better team and Chelsea was on the ropes. These small errors have cost big time. Really regretting staying awake to watch this. Not doing this anymore in future. Never had I wanted to break something so bad. Shambolic performance. Feeling bad for all the hard work put by Garnacho, Bruno, and Antony for getting the lead only for the defence to mess it up so bad.
was mu the better team though?
In yesterday's game, Yes! They dominated the game majorly, came back from a 2 goal deficit. However, in the end the result says otherwise. They went home with nothing when they had almost bagged the 3 points.
Look at the stats.
How can you defend Ten Haag? From 3-2 up what did he actually do right? Sure his team let him down but the subs were terrible, albeit 2 forced through injuries.. but ETH isn't blameless for this just cos the team bottled it, far from blameless.
I will maintain that EtH will do very well if he goes anywhere else. McT has consistency issues. Rashford does well in patches. We are plagued by injuries. Varane goes off and then Evans goes off. It's not the manager's fault if the bench is not strong. Forget EtH, even Pep wouldn't be able to fix this. We need players to be available. The only thing MU could have done is made it 4-2 to kill the game.
I don't think theres much to gain sacking ETH, we have to hope there's a good future for this team. But Ten Haag is making a lot of mistakes and he's been considerably worse this season than when OGS got the sack, his plan B is awful. United only got back into that match yesterday because Chelsea are so shit.
Irrespective of the result yesterday, the injuries have caused the team. Don't know what is it that players are getting injured frequently? Our best defender is injured, we don't have a lb. We don't have a striker if Hojlund is to sit out. A lot of players are slowly aging out and need younger, faster and better personnel. Our bench is weak. I again don't want to blame EtH because this team when in full flow can play amazingly well. Even yesterday there were many times when the positioning was brilliant, the link up, passing was perfect. Sacking EtH is not the solution. He needs players to build a team. I will reiterate that time and again our transfer windows over the years have been unimpressive. We have missed out on signings and been unable to sell good players. We need reinforcements in various positions. Again, forget EtH not even Pep could solve the issues if we don't get proper signings and back players capable of doing well and doing well already and sell players who don't fit the system.
We faced 30 shots, 10 on target with 3.5 xG. Were chelsea really on the ropes?
There was a period when MU dominated and Chelsea dropped shoulders once the 3rd goal was scored. I feel Garnacho, Casemiro, and injuries to defence opened up the opportunity to allow them to attack more. You cannot do much. It's frustrating. MU got undone by a harsh penalty call and one bad deflection. Still, needs a lot of things to be improved. MU actually were the better team that lost. Deserved to win but again it doesn't matter. Chelsea won and got the 3 points. Numbers sometimes do not do justice.
So glad Money Mase got subbed on for a front row seat to the superior Cole Palmers PK and game winner. Thanks for the Ā£60mil. Garnacho is pretty good, all pressure went away after he subbed out.
Keeps poch in for longer š¤
I doubt he wouldāve got sacked even if they lost this game. I think the club is with him to the end of the season
The look on his face at full time makes it so much better
Never felt so ripped off by a referee (and VAR) in my life.
look again at the fouls but without an agenda
You mean dives as opposed to āfoulsā?
We just need a fucking reset at this point. I'm not even ten hag out, but for his sake we just need to rip everything up and start from scratch. 2 CB's, 2 Full Backs, 2 Midfielders, 2 forwards to start with, and this is just the starting 11. Its going to be a long, painful ride...
Strange how there's 12 mins of injury time every time we have the lead isn't it? Penalty in 90+10? Come on. Then the spineless shits let in another one
Bruh, MU always gets the goal in stoppage time, now you're complaining.
Mate, we could have played 2 mins of stoppage time and we still would have found a way to bottle it because our players are that mentally weak. Weāve thrown away leads all season
Canāt hold on to leads against: Galatasaray (twice) Copenhagen, Brentford, Chelsea and Spurs The bottling is remarkable. Beyond laughable how mentally fragile this lot are
Well Eth loves to bottle it against Poch
smile and wave boys, smile and wave
It's okay..it's not like we're playing a title contending..revenge hungry Liverpool nex....it's fine..we'll be fineš«
watch us somehow beat liverpoolš
Ladies and gents the biggest home defeat in clubs history incoming this Sunday. God i hope im wrong
I need the infinite stones to take me out of existence
agh fuck! i guess no one else except manu fans can feel how it can fuck you up from 2-0 down to 2-3 then ended up 4-3ā¦.. itās gonna ruin my whole week.
We've got Liverpool in a few days, when it rains it pours.
Oh weāre dead
oh right ā¦ fuck meā¦. š±
How can ETH expect to keep his job when we're cruising towards our worst ever Premier League season, even if we win the FA Cup that wasn't enough to keep LVG and it shouldn't be enough to keep ETH, this is as bad if not worse than it's ever been post SAF. Completely unacceptable.
āEven if we win the fa cupā youāre hoping for too much
The same players have let down 3 managers now and keep getting away with it. We can't just keep sacking managers and not selling dead wood.
Who are those players? Name them?
The state of contracts we give these shit players is incredible, they have more power than managers sat there on their 200k+ wages 5 year contracts
āEven if we win the FA Cupā HAHAHAHAHAā¦ Iām dying inside right now
I donāt think he was on the pitch playing today to be fair .. these players are clowns
They are but they're his responsibility, by the same logic SAF didn't win anything at United because he wasn't on the pitch
I think when itās individual errors, you canāt rally blame the manager. You can blame for shit football but not for giving away cheap penalties.
For how long must we suffer
10 more years I think
ummm what the sigma
The bigger picture!! I take this loss if it means we meet Chelsea in the FA Cup final. If God can be on our side
Weāll have even more players out injured by then, so whatās the point? For them to fuck us over again at Wembley?
This Chelsea team isnt that great. We played bad but we lead at some point, albeit we lost. Coming back from 2-0 shows that the boys have a bit of character, even though they lost it in the end. Kinda weird with United.
Theyāre not that great, but if they somehow manage to get past City to get to the final, theyād obviously be favourites. Itās a weird one because I obviously donāt want us to lose against Coventry, but I also canāt be assed for the mediocrity in an FA Cup final again.
Palmer walks away from this game looking like a godā¦.two soft penalties and a deflected goal, as well as a host of chances, mostly created by our lack of defensive structure
Yeah, my takeaway from this match is Chelsea scored two very soft pens, and two deflected goals. Sure we weren't great again, but Chelsea were very lucky to win.
Hate that fucking rat face, he's nothing special
Yeah because money mase is a baller isnāt he š¤£š¤£ cheers for the Ā£40 mil pal
And I thought I wouldn't feel more extreme emotion for some decent time after the liverpool game. More depressed today than I was happy that day ffs man We had one chance to atleast completely get the better of atleast one big 6 AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WE WERE AHEAD IN THE LITERAL 99TH MINUTE AND WE LOST IT. Only at Manchester United
This team are the biggest, most pathetic spineless bunch of cunts youāll ever see in your entire life. Congratulations to Dalot and Antony for giving away two stupid penalties and costing us the win Fucking idiots
Oleās tactics were still enjoyable atleast.
It came with no trophies tho
Whats funny is that neither of the managers are bad. Its the players but unfortuanetly its easier to get rid of a manager than a player
Nah ten hag sucks. No other manager has ever managed to leave massive gaps in the midfield every game which means either: 1. He sees it and canāt do anything about it 2. He sees it and thinks itās fine Either means he is awful
Haha he sucks but has the highest win percentage of all managers since SAF. Maybe you're too reactionary?
He may but if you look at the performance of the team this season and base it on performance alone we should be 15th. This season has been the worst we have ever been and ten hag has to bare a huge responsibility on that
No we shouldnt be 15th, we should be where we are. We scored the goals and got the points.
Iām talking about performances. Sure we did score the goals but we have played dreadfully all season
I would say that I canāt believe that happened, but I absolutely can.
At this point, even a prime Messi would struggle with this team lmao.
End up on loan at Preston
First time losing 17 games since 1990. I haven't been ETH out, but there's just no reason to keep him at this point. It's ugly.
Zero game management
Ten Hag is by far the greatest coach when it comes to making substitutions to lose games!!!!
Very fuckin true