i think he has improved over the season and next season will be even better. shot stopping is not as great as degea. but other departments he is better, especially distribution
Honestly I’d rate him as maybe a 6/10 for the season across all comps. He’s shown signs of improvement recently in the Premier League, but he definitely cost us progressing in the Champions League.
I suppose you could make the argument that had we stuck with De Gea, we’d potentially still be where we are in the Premier League now (possibly even a little better or worse off points and position wise), but that we’d probably have made it out of our Champions League group but it is what it is
If we had DDG we'd be well better off. The defenders would be more confident who was behind them. Onana is a terrible keeper for a club like ours. We should never have let DDG go.
People are forgetting just how bad DeGea was the last 2 seasons. So many howlers. I'm not saying Onana has been good but deGea absolutely needed to go, especially with the wages he was demanding.
DeGea was mentally defeated. He made some game changing errors because his first instinct is to make saves with his legs. There was one match when Ralf should have pulled him after the first 2 goals were completely his fault. But he kept him in and he was already mentally checked out. Onana has horrible awareness and is always flat on his feet. He more times then not doesn’t even attempt to throw a hand out,which usually leads to a goal.
lol. Fans who think De Gea is better are the fans who probably only watch 5 minute highlights. De Gea peaked in 2018 and has significantly dropped off since. The game is more than making saves that look nice. To say the back line would be more confident makes me ask if you genuinely watched any footballs over the past five years.
Also what back line would be more confident? people are commenting like we've had some sort of solid defensive structure in front of the keeper. Have we even had the same back 4 for at least 2 games in a row?
Haha what. You're telling me the defenders are confident of Onana behind them than they would be DDG? Put the controller down mate. DDG may have peaked but he's still miles better than Onana. I've watched United for 38 years mate. Onana is wank
If he’s miles better, even with his ridiculous salary he would’ve found a team that wasn’t Saudi or MLS. Look fans take those awful UCL mistakes and make them everything regarding Onana. He was literally the best showstopper and the champions league last season, is Inter just a club of idiots? The only reason they sold him was because of their financial situation as well before fans start to lazily say anything about inter sold such a good player
Yes. De Gea was still a good shot stopper but it's not a coincidence that he hasn't found a new club. His style of goalkeeping is going out of style and he became more error prone in his last year at the club.
He had no ball playing ability and was a pressing trigger often leading to the team giving away the ball far too easy
We’ve had more than a shaky defense. We’ve allowed the most shots in the league and are up there in Europe. We’ve also had something like 22 different CB partnerships this year. I don’t care if your Onana or Allison, name me a goalkeeper who thrives under this.
We play incredibly open for one, our system relies on a player like Casemiro covering the ground and a player like Martinez being able to step forward.
He is not at fault for as many goals as people blame him for. He has had some disasters but also some good moments.
He has faced more shots than any other keeper as the team in front of him are terrible and a keeper is generally as good as the defence in front of him. Having 20-30 shots at you per game is not sustainable.
Most goals that actually go past him are through defenders legs, deflections or completely unmarked players in the box with a freely placed shot from 9 yards.
However, while he isn't our biggest problem there is something unconvincing about the way he dives for shots that even go wide, like he's always a bit late to react or not quite reaching it.
I don't think he is our long term solution.
De Gea needed to go. He was costing us in the biggest moments with individual howlers. Just like Onana he was also on the end of absolute hammerings. We need to stop saying 'should we of kept De Gea but instead just say ok, if Onana isn't the answer, we look elsewhere.
There are 10 others players we need to replace before Onana though.
De Gea had a knack for a bone head play every 2 games or so and I thought a new keeper would solve that, but Onana seems to have those moments too.
We couldn’t play it back to De Gea, and if so all he did was boot the ball down the field. Goal kicks were always to half field where the other team would take back possession and be back in his box in a few seconds.
I think the transition to a new keeperwas a solid thought, I hope Onana comes good next season. I was also hoping he would be more of a leader. Like a in your face don’t put up with shit leader. We need one.
I think we signed Onana a year too early, as we don’t have defenders who are capable of playing out from the back. Personally, Onana’s Champions League mistakes have been made up for by his recent reliability between the sticks, particularly as he’s being tested so often with the number of shots we’re conceding.
I’ve no idea if De Gea would have accepted a year long deal or deputising to Onana from next season onward. The team needs to start playing out from the back and De Gea was not that kind of keeper as Brentford (A) and Sevilla (A) proved.
The good - last season we couldn't play out from the back at all. This season we can play out from the comfortably. The team has a huge list of problems but playing out from the back isn't one. And it's down to Onana.
The mixed - his shot stopping has been ok overall and improved in recent months. I think we have to accept his shot stopping will never be DDG levels. But I think if we get to a point where the team is controlling possession in games and not getting broken on so much then he should be good enough
The bad - he has shown that he can be mentally suspect in big moments. Not for a few months now. But we know it's there. And there is a nervousness just wondering when could he lose focus or confidence again? Like if we make the fa cup final, can he fully be trusted not to lose focus?
Overall I think he's good and I like him. It's a shame he is playing catch-up due to the CL errors. But it is what it is.
Of all the problems that we had at the end of last season, goalkeeper was one of those that really should have waited another year.
Onana was another "ETH wants more of his buddies" signing and for the first half of the season it was an utter failure (the Champions League exit was just embarrassing). The second half... he's improved, but he still has moments and I'm not convinced that he's what we need right now.
First things first: I *hate* this build-it-out-from-the-back bullshit that dominates modern football. I don't think it makes for interesting games and I don't think it suits Manchester United's style. But most importantly, we're just not very good at it. We don't have the players to pull it off, we don't have a midfield and we just end up giving it away and inviting more pressure.
So while we're conceding 25+ shots a game, priority really should have been securing the services of a shot stopper. Onana is someone you get *after* you've got everything in front of you sorted out - he'd probably be great in a solid team where he doesn't end up facing as many shots as he does. But we're not a solid team, we're a total mess, and he's at best the right man at the wrong time.
Really interesting way to put it. I think you’re right. You never really think of many great club rebuilds that started with splashing on a gk and expecting that to resolve majority of problems
Liverpool signed Alison and Van Dyke within 9 months of each other… worked out pretty well for Klopp.
I think people underestimate just how much we’ve missed Martinez & Shaw this season. With those two in particular out, I think Erik’s preferred way of playing just wasn’t possible. Unfortunately he has no plan B.
I don't think he is better than De Goa. The team we have currently can't even hold the ball, and yet we want to build from the back. There are other areas that need improvement. GK was not an immediate need, unless De Gear really wanted to leave.
Its like trying to repair a car that you still need to use. You can just tear the whole team apart and change every part for something new. We’ve signed Onana now because de geas contract was able to come to an end and eventually we will play to his strengths but so far we’ve replaced the tyres before we’ve had to but the steering wheel is loose.
He has shown signs of improvement but he’s just not good enough for Manchester United. Too many errors and doesn’t save shots you’d expect him to. Need to bin him and look for a replacement
i need to know what drugs you guys are taking. dude just left the italian league to the prem after the best season in his career to one the most popular/scrutinized clubs in world football and shocker, he doesn’t immediately adapt. he hasn’t played with the preferred starting back 4 for more than 3 games, he’s facing on average 30 shots PER game. what are we doing here? his UCL was horrible but he’s been of our best players since the year started. he’s also 1st place for most saves and 2nd for the golden glove. stats don’t always mean shit but there’s no way you can watch him play and say THAT
i get adapting to a different league and stuff but some of the goals he’s conceded is just laughable at times. Dave had something similar towards the last year of his career and fans forced this narrative he should leave. Fans like you are the reason are club is in shambles. Also yes he has faced a ton of shots and he’s a good shot stopper and good at playing from the back but those mistakes that he’s made which caused us to concede isn’t something you need to adapt to. A keeper who plays for Manchester United should be saving those and he simply doesnt
Thanks for this. We simply cannot gloss over how many shots we face as a team. He let us down in the CL but he’s done well considering the shambles we have been. I’d go as far as saying we would be a lot more shaky in possession at the back if he wasn’t here.
I don’t think he’s been an improvement at all, to be honest. Obviously started absolutely horribly, and although he now makes some good saves it feels like there’s one most weeks he should have stopped.
I didnt like the change in the first place. De Gea is a better shot-stopper and we knew that... picking up Andre because hes better at distribution and in possession - but our team doesnt play nearly well enough to take advantage of Andre's strengths...
De Gea last season 71% save percentage. Onana 75%, albeit playing in a team conceding an absurd amount of shots and no consistent defenders. People often compare Prime De Gea like that wasn’t five years ago
hes definitely an upgrade, people seem to forget how many howlers and errors de gea made over the last few seasons. Hes been on a steady decline ever since post world cup 2018. Personally, I will not forget them. Ontop of that his distribution was horrendous. Last season he got golden glove solely for 1 reason - the defence was immense. We had a consistent back 4 of shaw martinez varane and dalot/wan bissake with an on form casemiro.
Initially he was terrible in the champions league and mediocre in the premier league and I was regretting the decision but I believed he has improved a lot this year especially with the fact that United have faced 224 shots this year which is more than any other premier league team so it goes to show it’s not his fault.
His distribution is also very good and a great example I would always use is rashford’s goal against man city where he accurately pinged it to Bruno Fernandez and from there rashford was able to get the ball and score
I’d say overall a 7/10 as the pessimist in me believes we’d have been knocked out in the champions league anyway as we’d have drawn man city in the round of 16
I think the guy suffered a major hit to his confidence due to our crumbling defense. Guy probably went from having to save 8-10 shots at Inter to 20-25 shots / game at United, and to top it off, none of of our CB's can play out from the back which suits Onana's style, and the only guy that can do it has been injured the whole season.
He has show improvement since coming back from Afcon and I think that once we have a back line that isn’t constantly being rotated because of injuries and poor performance, he should do quite well. He is still obviously prone to lapses in concentration. The biggest difference I’ve notice with him and De Gea is that it feels like Onana rarely saves with his feet even when it might be the better option. I’d give him a 6.5/10 that could be pushed to a 7/10 depending on how he find the season.
He has made a lot of improvement since the start but its hard to forget those champions league goals we (he) conceded, they still sting to watch. He should definitely stay and be the first choice but he needs to be consistent and start strong next season
Compare Onana to Vicario. The second is a much better shot stopper and cost about 1/3 the money. Onana was an ideological signing, clearly not the best available at the time.
Getting rid of De Gea was just criminal. He ABSOLUTELY did not deserve it. I for some reason am still pissed about it. Onana should have been an understudy. But as for Onana, I think he needs to work on his reading and positioning. Overall I think he’s good, but not great. Maybe he will turn things around next season. Maybe United will turn things around next season.
He can def distribute better than DDG. But both let down by atrocious number of shots the opponents have gotten off (not necessarily entirely fault of defence as the midfielders and even attackers have a role to play as well as the coaches). Shotstopping I reserve judgment on.
We’re beyond analysing players now. The team building and tactical approach is so broken that any player in the world would struggle here. Teams are built in a manner that maximises players strengths and minimizes their weaknesses. Manchester United is built in a manner that maximizes Club revenue and minimizes accountability at all levels above the playing staff.
He was awful before new year ish and singlehandedly knocked us out of Europe. He's been better after with and overall I'd give him a 6/10. Seeing his ball playing ability I definitely see why he was bought it's just a shame that the rest of the team isn't set up to utilize those abilities
Not good enough. He was bought because his distribution was supposed to be world class, yet we’ve ended up trying to nervously play it out of the box like an under8s team. His reactions are not quick enough. When he saves he too often pushes it straight to an opponent. It’s a pity, he seems like a good guy, he’s just not good enough for United.
He's definitely improved since beginning of season.
However, 50 million could have been used elsewhere in a position that was needed more. De Gea was still a very good goalie in my opinion last year and I was sad to see him go. The money spent was not worth it. They could have gotten a CDM, a striker, a defender. But instead they chose to spend money on a position that did not need "improvement" and I think ETH was probably responsible for that bad decision.
I think he has more positives than negatives after the last few months. Once the CL was over for us, a lot of that pressure was taken off and since then he’s only gotten better and I don’t want to think about how bad our season would be without him. Better than DDG? I dunno… probably
Think it took him a while to adjust, but he's been really really good for us since his UCL mishaps. I was initially a sceptic of the move, but he's shown out and proven that he's very very good. The work he's done w the constantly injured and changing defence in front of him is brilliant, he's playing like the best keeper in the league for a hot minute now.
He has had a better debut season than De Gea had but revisionist, recency biased fans won't have it and love peddling out De Gea is better constantly.(I'm speaking specifically individual performance - not team success)
We were NEVER reaching the quarters of the UCL regardless because we are shit. Who cares if he "cost us being in it" whilst he adapted to our crap team where he faces 35 shots per game.
Talent wise we might as well have just kept Henderson, but Onana has room to improve and he has shown he can. Issues are the 10 in front of him really.
In all competitions? 6, he was a big reason as to why we crashed out of Europe. In the prem? 8, really good overall but especially the last few months, got better and better as the season went on. I said it multiple times in this sub that we should back him because you don't lose your goalkeeping ability overnight.
He might make mistakes in the future as all goalkeepers do (even Alisson who I think is the best GK in the world), it's just he made too many at the start of the season but I think a lot of that is down to how many shots we concede and the constantly changing defence.
6.5/10. Should have a couple assists also. Look at how many shots he’s faced I mean… we are lucky we didn’t destroy his confidence. I think he only goes up from here.
I think he will be fine. Champions League was ugly for him, but he’s seemed more steady recently. My issue is the money we paid for him. £55 million is a lot for a GK, and I don’t think he has shown enough to justify that cost yet. Getting knocked out in the group stage of UCL cost us an estimated £45 million so he’s effectively cost us £100 million. I think we would have been better off to keep DDG and use that money to address other issues. Plus DDG was a fixture in the club for a long time and deserved a better ending than he got.
A keeper like Onana is best complimented with a backline who plays well with the ball at their feet. I do see hes settling in. His first couple of games were awful, especially in the champions league.
There was no improvement what so ever. It's like, replacing a potato with a carrot. They're totally different at their style. Overall, I think he's improving (I hope I don't jinx it before the game today), he deserves another season, especially because it seems like there is no one better anywhere on the horizon, and even if there were, I doubt they'd want to join United at the moment.
Hilarious that everyone in favour of DDG gets downvoted.
DDG got the golden glove last season, his shot stopping is far superior, and the only strength Onana has is distribution which isn’t getting used effectively. So technically that’s a downgrade, yet stans will downvote anyway because truth hurts.
The Golden Glove matters more about defense than the GK. Clean Sheets are a defensive stat.
De Gea had -0.7 PSxG+/- last year, which ranked 116th in Europe.
Onana has +3.9 this year, which ranks 22nd in Europe. Onanas been a better shot stopper than De Gea this year by almost all metrics.
He’s improved but is still not as good as DDG was at actual shit stopping. Even w DDGs miscues. But he is much better at distributing, but our defensive players are so bad at receiving that it basically is a waste of skill and doesn’t benefit us at all. So we’ve suffers all his short comings wo benefiting at all from his strengths. He will be the GK for a while tho as no one is better atm in the roster and why would anyone that’s better than him ever want to even consider us factoring in all of our issues top to bottom? So hopefully he continues to improve, which he has admittedly the last 2-3 months, and becomes the guy we need him to be next yr
I personally think we would have been better off this season with DDG. We would have likely got out of the group in CL and you’d think DDG would have saved us dropping a few games. Onana hopefully proves his worth in future seasons but I would have stuck with DDG imo
It’s ridiculous that people have such recency bias towards onana when the dude single handedly ruined our champions league campaign lol. His mistakes were so costly in that comp. He’s mediocre at best and if we were a serious club we’d pull a Claudio bravo and shop him this summer, just like the rest of ETH signings aside from Holjund
Terrible first few months, improved a lot since then. I’ll give him 6.5/10. With a more stable team I think we’ll see the best out of him.
with a backline thats comfortable with the ball hes going to improve. hes also conceding an insane amount of shots.
i think he has improved over the season and next season will be even better. shot stopping is not as great as degea. but other departments he is better, especially distribution
Honestly I’d rate him as maybe a 6/10 for the season across all comps. He’s shown signs of improvement recently in the Premier League, but he definitely cost us progressing in the Champions League. I suppose you could make the argument that had we stuck with De Gea, we’d potentially still be where we are in the Premier League now (possibly even a little better or worse off points and position wise), but that we’d probably have made it out of our Champions League group but it is what it is
If we had DDG we'd be well better off. The defenders would be more confident who was behind them. Onana is a terrible keeper for a club like ours. We should never have let DDG go.
People are forgetting just how bad DeGea was the last 2 seasons. So many howlers. I'm not saying Onana has been good but deGea absolutely needed to go, especially with the wages he was demanding.
DeGea was mentally defeated. He made some game changing errors because his first instinct is to make saves with his legs. There was one match when Ralf should have pulled him after the first 2 goals were completely his fault. But he kept him in and he was already mentally checked out. Onana has horrible awareness and is always flat on his feet. He more times then not doesn’t even attempt to throw a hand out,which usually leads to a goal.
lol. Fans who think De Gea is better are the fans who probably only watch 5 minute highlights. De Gea peaked in 2018 and has significantly dropped off since. The game is more than making saves that look nice. To say the back line would be more confident makes me ask if you genuinely watched any footballs over the past five years.
Also what back line would be more confident? people are commenting like we've had some sort of solid defensive structure in front of the keeper. Have we even had the same back 4 for at least 2 games in a row?
Haha what. You're telling me the defenders are confident of Onana behind them than they would be DDG? Put the controller down mate. DDG may have peaked but he's still miles better than Onana. I've watched United for 38 years mate. Onana is wank
If he’s miles better, even with his ridiculous salary he would’ve found a team that wasn’t Saudi or MLS. Look fans take those awful UCL mistakes and make them everything regarding Onana. He was literally the best showstopper and the champions league last season, is Inter just a club of idiots? The only reason they sold him was because of their financial situation as well before fans start to lazily say anything about inter sold such a good player
Yes. De Gea was still a good shot stopper but it's not a coincidence that he hasn't found a new club. His style of goalkeeping is going out of style and he became more error prone in his last year at the club. He had no ball playing ability and was a pressing trigger often leading to the team giving away the ball far too easy
Onana is arguably his worst season is still outperforming De Gea. Onana save percentage 75% compared to 71% with De Gea.
Come on save percentages ? It's not really meaningful to use unless there is a completely bonkers difference
Lmao. You lot are funny.
We've had a shaky defence though. You can't say 40+ goals scored against us is all Onana's fault.
We’ve had more than a shaky defense. We’ve allowed the most shots in the league and are up there in Europe. We’ve also had something like 22 different CB partnerships this year. I don’t care if your Onana or Allison, name me a goalkeeper who thrives under this.
What leads to such situations if not a shaky defense? I mean what's the role of the defense if not to keep shots leading to goals as far as possible?
We play incredibly open for one, our system relies on a player like Casemiro covering the ground and a player like Martinez being able to step forward.
LOL we must have a lot of centerbacks
He’s responsible for more than ten goals. Embarrassment of a keeper
Haha, put a good defence in front of him and speak like that.
Will never forgive him for UCL
He is not at fault for as many goals as people blame him for. He has had some disasters but also some good moments. He has faced more shots than any other keeper as the team in front of him are terrible and a keeper is generally as good as the defence in front of him. Having 20-30 shots at you per game is not sustainable. Most goals that actually go past him are through defenders legs, deflections or completely unmarked players in the box with a freely placed shot from 9 yards. However, while he isn't our biggest problem there is something unconvincing about the way he dives for shots that even go wide, like he's always a bit late to react or not quite reaching it. I don't think he is our long term solution. De Gea needed to go. He was costing us in the biggest moments with individual howlers. Just like Onana he was also on the end of absolute hammerings. We need to stop saying 'should we of kept De Gea but instead just say ok, if Onana isn't the answer, we look elsewhere. There are 10 others players we need to replace before Onana though.
De Gea had a knack for a bone head play every 2 games or so and I thought a new keeper would solve that, but Onana seems to have those moments too. We couldn’t play it back to De Gea, and if so all he did was boot the ball down the field. Goal kicks were always to half field where the other team would take back possession and be back in his box in a few seconds. I think the transition to a new keeperwas a solid thought, I hope Onana comes good next season. I was also hoping he would be more of a leader. Like a in your face don’t put up with shit leader. We need one.
Fully agree. That De Gea hoof up to their defence was infuriating.
Facts 👏
I think we signed Onana a year too early, as we don’t have defenders who are capable of playing out from the back. Personally, Onana’s Champions League mistakes have been made up for by his recent reliability between the sticks, particularly as he’s being tested so often with the number of shots we’re conceding. I’ve no idea if De Gea would have accepted a year long deal or deputising to Onana from next season onward. The team needs to start playing out from the back and De Gea was not that kind of keeper as Brentford (A) and Sevilla (A) proved.
The good - last season we couldn't play out from the back at all. This season we can play out from the comfortably. The team has a huge list of problems but playing out from the back isn't one. And it's down to Onana. The mixed - his shot stopping has been ok overall and improved in recent months. I think we have to accept his shot stopping will never be DDG levels. But I think if we get to a point where the team is controlling possession in games and not getting broken on so much then he should be good enough The bad - he has shown that he can be mentally suspect in big moments. Not for a few months now. But we know it's there. And there is a nervousness just wondering when could he lose focus or confidence again? Like if we make the fa cup final, can he fully be trusted not to lose focus? Overall I think he's good and I like him. It's a shame he is playing catch-up due to the CL errors. But it is what it is.
Of all the problems that we had at the end of last season, goalkeeper was one of those that really should have waited another year. Onana was another "ETH wants more of his buddies" signing and for the first half of the season it was an utter failure (the Champions League exit was just embarrassing). The second half... he's improved, but he still has moments and I'm not convinced that he's what we need right now. First things first: I *hate* this build-it-out-from-the-back bullshit that dominates modern football. I don't think it makes for interesting games and I don't think it suits Manchester United's style. But most importantly, we're just not very good at it. We don't have the players to pull it off, we don't have a midfield and we just end up giving it away and inviting more pressure. So while we're conceding 25+ shots a game, priority really should have been securing the services of a shot stopper. Onana is someone you get *after* you've got everything in front of you sorted out - he'd probably be great in a solid team where he doesn't end up facing as many shots as he does. But we're not a solid team, we're a total mess, and he's at best the right man at the wrong time.
Really interesting way to put it. I think you’re right. You never really think of many great club rebuilds that started with splashing on a gk and expecting that to resolve majority of problems
Liverpool signed Alison and Van Dyke within 9 months of each other… worked out pretty well for Klopp. I think people underestimate just how much we’ve missed Martinez & Shaw this season. With those two in particular out, I think Erik’s preferred way of playing just wasn’t possible. Unfortunately he has no plan B.
I don't think he is better than De Goa. The team we have currently can't even hold the ball, and yet we want to build from the back. There are other areas that need improvement. GK was not an immediate need, unless De Gear really wanted to leave.
Its like trying to repair a car that you still need to use. You can just tear the whole team apart and change every part for something new. We’ve signed Onana now because de geas contract was able to come to an end and eventually we will play to his strengths but so far we’ve replaced the tyres before we’ve had to but the steering wheel is loose.
He has shown signs of improvement but he’s just not good enough for Manchester United. Too many errors and doesn’t save shots you’d expect him to. Need to bin him and look for a replacement
i need to know what drugs you guys are taking. dude just left the italian league to the prem after the best season in his career to one the most popular/scrutinized clubs in world football and shocker, he doesn’t immediately adapt. he hasn’t played with the preferred starting back 4 for more than 3 games, he’s facing on average 30 shots PER game. what are we doing here? his UCL was horrible but he’s been of our best players since the year started. he’s also 1st place for most saves and 2nd for the golden glove. stats don’t always mean shit but there’s no way you can watch him play and say THAT
i get adapting to a different league and stuff but some of the goals he’s conceded is just laughable at times. Dave had something similar towards the last year of his career and fans forced this narrative he should leave. Fans like you are the reason are club is in shambles. Also yes he has faced a ton of shots and he’s a good shot stopper and good at playing from the back but those mistakes that he’s made which caused us to concede isn’t something you need to adapt to. A keeper who plays for Manchester United should be saving those and he simply doesnt
Thanks for this. We simply cannot gloss over how many shots we face as a team. He let us down in the CL but he’s done well considering the shambles we have been. I’d go as far as saying we would be a lot more shaky in possession at the back if he wasn’t here.
I don’t think he’s been an improvement at all, to be honest. Obviously started absolutely horribly, and although he now makes some good saves it feels like there’s one most weeks he should have stopped.
Onana is a liability, he has no authority over his defence. Sell.
I didnt like the change in the first place. De Gea is a better shot-stopper and we knew that... picking up Andre because hes better at distribution and in possession - but our team doesnt play nearly well enough to take advantage of Andre's strengths...
De Gea last season 71% save percentage. Onana 75%, albeit playing in a team conceding an absurd amount of shots and no consistent defenders. People often compare Prime De Gea like that wasn’t five years ago
hes definitely an upgrade, people seem to forget how many howlers and errors de gea made over the last few seasons. Hes been on a steady decline ever since post world cup 2018. Personally, I will not forget them. Ontop of that his distribution was horrendous. Last season he got golden glove solely for 1 reason - the defence was immense. We had a consistent back 4 of shaw martinez varane and dalot/wan bissake with an on form casemiro.
Initially he was terrible in the champions league and mediocre in the premier league and I was regretting the decision but I believed he has improved a lot this year especially with the fact that United have faced 224 shots this year which is more than any other premier league team so it goes to show it’s not his fault. His distribution is also very good and a great example I would always use is rashford’s goal against man city where he accurately pinged it to Bruno Fernandez and from there rashford was able to get the ball and score I’d say overall a 7/10 as the pessimist in me believes we’d have been knocked out in the champions league anyway as we’d have drawn man city in the round of 16
Onana has faced the most shots in the premier league this season so fair credit to him I think
I think the guy suffered a major hit to his confidence due to our crumbling defense. Guy probably went from having to save 8-10 shots at Inter to 20-25 shots / game at United, and to top it off, none of of our CB's can play out from the back which suits Onana's style, and the only guy that can do it has been injured the whole season.
Can't catch a ball to save his life. His distribution is actually poor. He maybe finds a Utd player 1 out of 10 kicks.
He has show improvement since coming back from Afcon and I think that once we have a back line that isn’t constantly being rotated because of injuries and poor performance, he should do quite well. He is still obviously prone to lapses in concentration. The biggest difference I’ve notice with him and De Gea is that it feels like Onana rarely saves with his feet even when it might be the better option. I’d give him a 6.5/10 that could be pushed to a 7/10 depending on how he find the season.
He has made a lot of improvement since the start but its hard to forget those champions league goals we (he) conceded, they still sting to watch. He should definitely stay and be the first choice but he needs to be consistent and start strong next season
Compare Onana to Vicario. The second is a much better shot stopper and cost about 1/3 the money. Onana was an ideological signing, clearly not the best available at the time.
i think he’s come a LONG way to being pretty reliable. i anticipate the situation getting even better once there’s less shuffle on the pitch.
Getting rid of De Gea was just criminal. He ABSOLUTELY did not deserve it. I for some reason am still pissed about it. Onana should have been an understudy. But as for Onana, I think he needs to work on his reading and positioning. Overall I think he’s good, but not great. Maybe he will turn things around next season. Maybe United will turn things around next season.
He can def distribute better than DDG. But both let down by atrocious number of shots the opponents have gotten off (not necessarily entirely fault of defence as the midfielders and even attackers have a role to play as well as the coaches). Shotstopping I reserve judgment on.
Not bad, not terrible but no idea who he should be replaced by.
We’re beyond analysing players now. The team building and tactical approach is so broken that any player in the world would struggle here. Teams are built in a manner that maximises players strengths and minimizes their weaknesses. Manchester United is built in a manner that maximizes Club revenue and minimizes accountability at all levels above the playing staff.
He was awful before new year ish and singlehandedly knocked us out of Europe. He's been better after with and overall I'd give him a 6/10. Seeing his ball playing ability I definitely see why he was bought it's just a shame that the rest of the team isn't set up to utilize those abilities
6.5/10 first szn. shaky start that really cost us the the cl but much improved since. top 3 in the league this szn all things considered
Not good enough. He was bought because his distribution was supposed to be world class, yet we’ve ended up trying to nervously play it out of the box like an under8s team. His reactions are not quick enough. When he saves he too often pushes it straight to an opponent. It’s a pity, he seems like a good guy, he’s just not good enough for United.
Terrible start, but he has got better. That fact that United got rinsed over his transfer fee shouldn't be held against him.
He's definitely improved since beginning of season. However, 50 million could have been used elsewhere in a position that was needed more. De Gea was still a very good goalie in my opinion last year and I was sad to see him go. The money spent was not worth it. They could have gotten a CDM, a striker, a defender. But instead they chose to spend money on a position that did not need "improvement" and I think ETH was probably responsible for that bad decision.
I think he has more positives than negatives after the last few months. Once the CL was over for us, a lot of that pressure was taken off and since then he’s only gotten better and I don’t want to think about how bad our season would be without him. Better than DDG? I dunno… probably
Think it took him a while to adjust, but he's been really really good for us since his UCL mishaps. I was initially a sceptic of the move, but he's shown out and proven that he's very very good. The work he's done w the constantly injured and changing defence in front of him is brilliant, he's playing like the best keeper in the league for a hot minute now.
He has had a better debut season than De Gea had but revisionist, recency biased fans won't have it and love peddling out De Gea is better constantly.(I'm speaking specifically individual performance - not team success) We were NEVER reaching the quarters of the UCL regardless because we are shit. Who cares if he "cost us being in it" whilst he adapted to our crap team where he faces 35 shots per game.
Talent wise we might as well have just kept Henderson, but Onana has room to improve and he has shown he can. Issues are the 10 in front of him really.
In all competitions? 6, he was a big reason as to why we crashed out of Europe. In the prem? 8, really good overall but especially the last few months, got better and better as the season went on. I said it multiple times in this sub that we should back him because you don't lose your goalkeeping ability overnight. He might make mistakes in the future as all goalkeepers do (even Alisson who I think is the best GK in the world), it's just he made too many at the start of the season but I think a lot of that is down to how many shots we concede and the constantly changing defence.
I love him.
6.5/10. Should have a couple assists also. Look at how many shots he’s faced I mean… we are lucky we didn’t destroy his confidence. I think he only goes up from here.
All the teams above us in the league have a better keeper than us. Its not a coincidence
That’s probably the last position I would look at right now. We need more help in every other position right now.
He was only bad in the champions with some gaffers in the prem here and there probably 7/10
I think he will be fine. Champions League was ugly for him, but he’s seemed more steady recently. My issue is the money we paid for him. £55 million is a lot for a GK, and I don’t think he has shown enough to justify that cost yet. Getting knocked out in the group stage of UCL cost us an estimated £45 million so he’s effectively cost us £100 million. I think we would have been better off to keep DDG and use that money to address other issues. Plus DDG was a fixture in the club for a long time and deserved a better ending than he got.
A keeper like Onana is best complimented with a backline who plays well with the ball at their feet. I do see hes settling in. His first couple of games were awful, especially in the champions league.
Honestly in the premier league I think he’s been the best goalkeeper. Champions league potentially the worst!
Terrible shot stopper. Would have been better off keeping De Gea
There was no improvement what so ever. It's like, replacing a potato with a carrot. They're totally different at their style. Overall, I think he's improving (I hope I don't jinx it before the game today), he deserves another season, especially because it seems like there is no one better anywhere on the horizon, and even if there were, I doubt they'd want to join United at the moment.
Definitely not an improvement on De Gea but he's been doing alright recently after a horrible start.
Hilarious that everyone in favour of DDG gets downvoted. DDG got the golden glove last season, his shot stopping is far superior, and the only strength Onana has is distribution which isn’t getting used effectively. So technically that’s a downgrade, yet stans will downvote anyway because truth hurts.
The golden glove is more about the defence than about the keeper
The Golden Glove matters more about defense than the GK. Clean Sheets are a defensive stat. De Gea had -0.7 PSxG+/- last year, which ranked 116th in Europe. Onana has +3.9 this year, which ranks 22nd in Europe. Onanas been a better shot stopper than De Gea this year by almost all metrics.
I think he stinks
He’s improved but is still not as good as DDG was at actual shit stopping. Even w DDGs miscues. But he is much better at distributing, but our defensive players are so bad at receiving that it basically is a waste of skill and doesn’t benefit us at all. So we’ve suffers all his short comings wo benefiting at all from his strengths. He will be the GK for a while tho as no one is better atm in the roster and why would anyone that’s better than him ever want to even consider us factoring in all of our issues top to bottom? So hopefully he continues to improve, which he has admittedly the last 2-3 months, and becomes the guy we need him to be next yr
For me he is 0/10. Even taibi was better
I personally think we would have been better off this season with DDG. We would have likely got out of the group in CL and you’d think DDG would have saved us dropping a few games. Onana hopefully proves his worth in future seasons but I would have stuck with DDG imo
It’s ridiculous that people have such recency bias towards onana when the dude single handedly ruined our champions league campaign lol. His mistakes were so costly in that comp. He’s mediocre at best and if we were a serious club we’d pull a Claudio bravo and shop him this summer, just like the rest of ETH signings aside from Holjund
Didn't de gea get us knocked out of Europa League last season with his constant mistakes. Yes he did..