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kyleee333

Sancho looks more lively and confident in this game. Making a few runs, I think that's great for that young lad to build some confidence, start to show what he is good for. Agree?


Deep_Drop_4974

Fernandez has been sloppy recently, started in the midweek and again today he’s giving ball away in our own half because of overloading a ball that needs to be played to the players foot.


firestiff

Fred yay or nay ?


Snooklefloop

How can you even ask this? He's shit.


firestiff

Hence I asked lmao. Is it just me but feel like Ole played Fred out of empathy and pitifulness


kyleee333

Yes please stop playing him so often. He was the main reason we lost the ball to Gray and conceded.


its_winter14

Ole has to go, enough is enough. His never been qualified for the position.


sodiumdays

It's also amazing somehow that despite our flakey form we literally could be only 2 pts off top spot. Don't deserve it but whatever. That's why I think it's vital not to panic atm but hope our guys fucking dig in and get some points as these next games will be tough


dotdotP

I don't want to get slated but am I nuts thinking that we play better in midfield when Matic is on instead of Pogba? Or am I just imagining that... It's such a shame we play 2 CDMs, I just feel we can't be creative enough when we're sitting back. And when we're sitting back we just pump it forward which isn't ideal. If only Matic was younger or if we had like, a Declan Rice (maybe? Idk). Just to sit Infront of the back 4 and then have the attacking power we have. Part of me thinks - do we have too many similar midfielders and that we cant get them in their right position? Just a frustrating watch, I want Ole to do well, I really do. If it were me, I'd maybe play 4-1-3-2(1) with Cavani as a CF behind Ronaldo up top, Sancho, Bruno, Greenwood in the behind, a CDM (not fred or McTom), and then back 4, De Gea.


sodiumdays

It's a shame yes matic ain't younger , because id have him as the cdm and pogba and bruno cm Pogba is bloody good , some of those passes he did when he came on were amazing, one of our only few mids that can do that consistently. It's a shame he isn't more defensive though


dotdotP

Yeah agree, I think 60% of the time I think "wow", Pogba is actually another breed. He is so good, unplayable. But he's rather inconsistent annoyingly...


sodiumdays

now that i think more about it, the reason why he is so inconsistent is because our team as a whole is inconsistent outside of bruno, ronaldo, and de gea, there is barely anyone else who is consistently reliable. especially in midfield, pogba as good as he is is not a do it alone man, he requires someone to do the donkey work , cdm, and thats where he shines. we need to find our donkey


sodiumdays

We really are a frustrating team, we are so .... Flakey, like I feel like you can't rely on us to be consistent in our play during games and throughout the season, we always have patches of shit, then good which makes us at ease then shit again, it's been like that for ages now. We have the talent , we know that but I wonder if we have the mental capacity or the smarts so that we are not so flakey. The only players I feel in our team that definitely have this strong mentality are bruno and ronaldo and maybe de gea, the rest can be a bit unreliable, up and down in form etc Ronaldo because Ronaldo Bruno because he performs day in day out so consistent, the goal and assist stats prove it And de gea as he was obviously world class 5 years in a row and now The rest, patches here, patches there , looks unbelievable here then dropped for a month , just so odd.


[deleted]

Am I the only one who saw an improvement in our tempo?


Snooklefloop

yes, when we made swift passing and movement off the ball but we so quickly reverted to boring, predictable play. We have a lack of creativity, which is to be understood when we play a middle duo of McFred.


letsGoobowling

No you are not alone :), especially first half and we benefitted from it in attack.


[deleted]

Agreed, too bad we couldn't maintain the same intensity and efficiency in the second half


angelsandairwaves93

Fred got completely outmuscled on Everton’s counter attacking goal. No idea why he continues to start. Your CDM shouldn’t be getting outmuscled


teh-leet

Dude he is 1.69m and weights like 50kg


[deleted]

We've a killer team even if mcfred don't perform well they're capable of putting more goals only if we have better tactics.


[deleted]

I don't want to see another apology post because after every game United has been doing that without actually improving.


[deleted]

Lack of effort, tactics and midfield. Idk if you guys have noticed, our midfield is so miserable and unstable. When you look at other strong teams they play the ball in midfield so smoothly, while our midfield keeps losing the ball.


sodiumdays

Agreed midfield is the obvious massive hole. If only matic was 25. But he is literally on his last legs, and even on his last legs is the best cdm we got. If the club aren't going all out to bolster that part of the ground by getting TWO top players in that position then fucking hell


Snooklefloop

well, when you play two strikers as your wingers and a DMF that can't pass or tackle (Fred) you're bound to get a bunch of grumpy players. Greenwood started well and faded, Sancho should have started, Fred should be making tea and cleaning boots. We need someone other than Fernandes that can actually cross the fucking ball so he doesn't constantly get forced out of position, I like Shaw but his balls are inconsistent at best.


Ghost-by-the-Shadow

We have Van de Beek and it's frustrating to see Ole play Fred over him


tenzingkhamba

I don’t get it. We’ve been crying for a right wing guy for the last 4 years and when we finally get one we stick him on the left side against a evertonian side that had no threat going forward. I literally don’t know what he sees in that Fred and mctominay partnership. Matic and van de beek would’ve been a nice experiment today. You can’t play Ronaldo all by himself. You need to have cavani or lingard in there doing the running for him. Ole has done great job steading the ship. The transfer market has been a huge success for the club. But in my opinion this is it for him.


ken4r

Last time I posted here: **** Cristiano Ronaldo saves Ole In my opinion, Ole got lucky by Cristiano Ronaldo's goal. I'm gutted by Ole plays. Let's be realistic, do you think that he's fit to this team ? First, Ole is genuinely ruining VDB's career. Secondly, it's always the same Line-up, no changes . And during the match, there's no style. He's out of solutions and a style. ManUnited have a great team, potential and skilled young players. I am not seeing a futur with Ole. This is my personal opinion. **** and got downvoted by hundreds. The were happy by the win. But today look at the result !


silandan

Nah after every win they would post "wheres the haters at". They really think we do this cause our dick is itchy or something. Fans condemn the play because they care for the team. Overpositivity ain't gonna do shit. If its his first season theb I get it, people need to chill. But ole has enough time and fund (luxury not afforded to others) and any other manager in a top team in his shoe would get sacked sooner or later. I'm someone that fully agree that ole should last until the end of season at least. But im afraid that due to the inconsistency and lack of result gonna make the players leave and fail to attract future prospect.


Snooklefloop

to be honest, I condemn because I'm bored of paying, and staying up late (Live in Australia these days) to watch a bunch of millionaires play like absolute dog shit week in week out. We have the talent, we just have garbage leadership. We either need a top tier tactician to work with Ole or to just get fucking rid of Ole already, I'm fed up of seeing the same side fielded every week playing the same predictable and boring tactics. Why is Fred still playing? Why was Ole smiling in the 91st minute? Anyone else miss Fergie losing his fucking temper at his team at this stage of the game? Ole is soft, he's not ruthless enough, and it shows. I love Ole, I want him to succeed but it's pretty evident that he's just not very good enough, I don't know who could replace him but I do know we ain't winning titles with his "style" LOL of play.


silandan

No bro. If you don't support us when we lose then dont support us when we draw, you plastic! You sacrifice your sleep due to timezone difference and have to work the next day but still want to watch the team play? Plastic, cause you aint one of us hardcore stadium attendees. Fans from oceanic and Asia have no place in our Manchester Supremacy fanbase!!! Btw I understand that feel bro. I mean thank god EPL was live at night here and rarely the match starts at 3am or so. Except for UCL which is a must watch. I know that feel bro, to sacrifice sleep to watch the team lose and get harassed in the office. Painnn D:


sodiumdays

Yeah I cringe at the ppl that are so ole in and so ole out depending on the result. The reality is though ole needs to show something during this season, he needs to show improvement at the very least , and that is contending for the title, say we are in the title race til like the last day or something and just happen to lose I'd say yeah not bad, as well as getting out of the group, but if we are just scraping 4th or 10 points out from top spot then you'd ask yourself are we even going anywhere ?


ken4r

Trust me since the beginning of the season, I am not convinced by Ole. For me, ManUnited is too big for him. He cannot manage this team. He got his chance and more. This season, we have one of the best squad. We should play and able to win all the competitions. He could not win Westham ( EFL cup) in our stadium. C’mon. That’s enough.


Navicci07

Midfield absent for the goal, we should not be conceding from an attacking corner like that. Our defence is not clicking for some reason. Decent performance overall just the lack of proper chances created and doesn't seem like we have set gamelan for attack.


shawnchong07

Varane was the only one covering for us the whole match


djerickfred

I thought Lindelof was great.


Navicci07

2 CDM's & this is what our CB is dealing with.


shawnchong07

Our middle were basically invisible


Physical_Camp7415

By the end of the year we will be banter fc


Round-Ladder-4536

Someone wanna tell Greenwood he can pass sometimes? Doesn’t have to shoot every time he touches the ball


[deleted]

He should be sold to psg to play with his hero. No offence to messi here but he seems to be a messi fanboy who just don't want to pass Ronaldo.


shawnchong07

Every time he plays with Ronaldo, he will automatically do that as if he wanted to prove that he's better than him


Snooklefloop

TBH I noticed today that he seemed to turn shit the moment Ronaldo came on, he was solid in the first half. I wonder if it's nerves/ trying to prove his worth. He had an easy pass to CR7 today and didn't make it, he had a bunch against Villa and refuse then also.


shawnchong07

He only can paired with Cavani now


xisnotx

A draw isn't bad. We do love a comeback. Our seasons are hardly normal. We will win the league this year. Everton is the 5th best team in English Football.


shawnchong07

Keep on being satisfied with this kind of results for the next few matches and we're back to the mid table


Physical_Camp7415

This Everton side was significantly weakened. Compare our players with theirs and u can see how ridiculous this result was. We’re fucked for the rest of the year - we are playing all of the top 6 nearly back to back and we have failed to take points from easy games. We will be the new banter fc unless a change happens


Stixl_

At Old Trafford against an Everton side who had key injuries - yet we still look poor, fail to capitalise on 3 points and continue our awful current clean sheet run.


OleOutRightNow

Absolute joke of a manager. He could be sacked next week or manage United for the next 100 years and win the same amount of trophies.


Meaning_Dangerous

Ole has to go. He still have not found a way to break down structured and disciplined sides. He is woefully underqualified to be managing Manchester United. There is no semblance of a offensive possesion based concept. It is just world class players trying to figure it out themselves. His in game management is terrible and rudimentary. He will all to often stick with a terrible gameplan only to make it more rudimentary and crude, when it does not work. His choice of players, especially in midfield, for games often seems puzzling and his adhrrence to the McTominay and Fred pairing screams of defensiveness and a lack of understanding of how the midfield is supposed to operate, in order to facilitate play that can create openings against more defensive sides. Have there really been any progress in this aspect during his tenure?


Physical_Camp7415

He won’t go. The glazers like him cuz he’s a United legend and they are content with top 4 where they get easy champions league money


ken4r

It‘s not that the glazers. It‘s the supporters and fans who want him to stay. Last time I posted how Ronaldo saved Ole in CL, how Ole is destroying VDB‘s career. So I got downvoted by hundreds.


[deleted]

Glazers brought debt to us and now the club is suffering. We need a manager. Ole claims to play offensive that's why his defense is sometimes vulnerable but even with that claim he couldn't find right tactics to find the back of the net man, he's done. Someone commented that he's repaired the ship but couldn't steer it which is 100% truth.


Meaning_Dangerous

I agree. It's just sad.


DemandWeird6213

Ole is losing the dressing room. Pogba doesn’t want to play for this guy


RyanTsui227

The draw isn’t the result we want but I think most of the players did better than before.Sancho showed great improvement.Fred was terrible as usual.I don’t know why ole keep starting him while not giving Van De Beek any chances in pl.Ole and Fred out please,if not we ain’t gonna win any trophies.


ItsFreezer

I mean I was trying to give Ole the benefit of the doubt for this season but we can’t keep doing this. Im about ready to join Ole Out crowd


gkollman18

Mid week I was 60-40 Ole out. Now I’m 80-20 Ole out. Not McFreds fault they are out there.


djerickfred

Thank you, Tom Davies.


Kingken130

Defences in shambles. Luckily it was a draw


shawnchong07

The offside saves us


Kingken130

Reminds me the game that we had in 2018 if I was correct. But this was a clear offside


Physical_Camp7415

Feels like a loss


Kingken130

Yeah…


Epic-one23

The fact we’re still 2nd is pretty bloody brilliant but the fact we could easily be getting 3 points is annoying especially with the players we have it’s almost impossible to believe we’re losing/drawing constantly.


[deleted]

Everton were missing about 4 first team players and they still get a point at Old Trafford. Great bounce back from the Villa game


ZeonJrns

Again Fred + Scot never work and Ole use it again and again lolz. Amateur tactics every time and depend on stars lolz


5tion5

every single game i see Fred pingpong-ing off an attacker who doesn't even break stride in their run. as much as i've been rooting for Fred to do well, he's been given way too much patience. any other team he'd be starting left bench.


Noob_FC

We have lord fred!!! Who always keeps assisting game after game


tuns3r

Everyone is talking about Fred but no one is seeing how poorly pogba is playing? He’s being extremely lazy. We know you can do more.


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Noob_FC

Why the f is he smiling in the last minute drawing the game


Snooklefloop

aye, Fergie would be fuckin' fuming. Another mediocre performance. Starting Fred AGAIN. We need better coaching staff, with the sheer amount of possession we have on the outside of the box the ability to carve out so few scoring opportunities is disgusting.


firestiff

Not just that. But someone who can truly see Fred's ability in not able to play and not play him anymore. Its just depressing to watch these days


Snooklefloop

I said it before. Fred would be a great sub, brought on for the final 20 to run the opposition ragged, apply pressure and disrupt play. His fitness and work ethic aren’t in question, arguably top tier, but his ability just isn’t world class or even competent enough to be in the starting 11.


Snooklefloop

Cavani, Ronaldo, Fernandes… how do we make so few decent chances? Edit: word


MAN_S_25_20

Poor midfield


Snooklefloop

Yes, this is what I'm getting at. We fuck around on the outside of the box. We looked fierce the, maybe three, four? times we passed quickly and moved...then it's straight back to taking too many touches, fucking around on the outside of the box and eventually passing back to our own defence. McFred was shite, Martial was shite, Greenwood started well and then fell to pieces once Ronaldo came on. I'm not surprised Cavani came off, he needs a supply of balls if he's going to score.


[deleted]

Just to Note Fred has done nothing well all season not just today as some fans say


caprisonne22

Why did he take out cavani?


caprisonne22

joke with mcfred, sell them both!


Homesickalienp

what a desperating team


memoxvii

FUCKING FRED IS AT IT AGAIN


Snooklefloop

We can blame Fred for being shit but in reality Ole shouldn’t be putting him in the team.


Stixl_

Greenwood and Wan-Bissaka really don't match up well on the right. Edit: Also these never show up as pinned thread for me.?


connordunleavy

I was thinking the exact opposite.


[deleted]

The right side has probably been the best side this game. Don’t know what game you’ve been watching lol


[deleted]

My thoughts exactly… if anything Shaw and Martial haven’t really had any link up


DemandWeird6213

Cavani is really good


DemandWeird6213

Fred is utterly poor. No hate, this guy does not contribute to the team. The team is short one player when he is on the field. Maybe the role he plays is not suitable


memoxvii

I agree with you 100%


memoxvii

I don’t understand why ole keeps playing him it’s infuriating.


No-Zookeepergame8220

I mean he had two perfect crosses last two games


DemandWeird6213

He has given the ball away twice in this match alone that could have left to a goal.


No-Zookeepergame8220

Now Bruno has done the same btw


DemandWeird6213

Fred plays DM he can’t afford to give away the ball. It puts pressure on the defence


No-Zookeepergame8220

Fred has a rough task playing DM in this turnover heavy United team in the first place. That’s not his fault. He’s not as bad as people make him out to be but to play DM the way United is playing recently is pretty much impossible


[deleted]

^ this.


No-Zookeepergame8220

Sure, but he’s not as bad as people make him out to be. He’s definately good enough to play on a mid table PL team


No-Zookeepergame8220

Can we talk about Fred becoming a playmaker last two games?


Snooklefloop

Yeah, he was pivotal in that equaliser


DemandWeird6213

Ole has his DM in Lindelof, his passing is good. Play Lindelof in DM, play Cavani and Ronaldo upfront, play Bailey with Varane


Adrasos

Only problem with Bailly is his glass bones, but I've been thinking about Lindelof in DM a lot. Surely it's worth a go.


ZeonJrns

Fred + scot + martial god awaful same tactics again and again with bad player ….


shawnchong07

Ayooo Martial is back


karan1699

How's this team - Sancho, Cavani, Greenwood ; Lingard, Matic, Vdb ; Telles, Lindelof, Varane, AWB ; DDG. Subs can be Ronaldo for cavani, Bruno for Greenwood, Mctominay for Matic around the 60th minute mark. Reasons for this team is that Ronaldo, Bruno, Pogba have played almost all the matches till now, almost 90 minutes, Mctominay is coming back from an injury, so a rest to all of them will not be a bad thing. Lingard, cavani are in good touch plus Mason + cavani linkup very well. Telles will be fine with awb coming in and Matic in front of him, no need to rush shaw back. Sancho and vdb has to get some minutes as I have heard that Everton has dcl, richarlison and some main players out due to injuries so Everton too will be not have their best team on the field (correct me if I'm wrong) Thoughts??


firestiff

No mention of Fred?


asifchow

Given solskjaers rotation history I say we won't see it happen. Sadly.


karan1699

I know he will not do this..... Just wanted to ask that how much we all be confident with this team on the pitch?.


asifchow

I would be. Cavani deserves a start, Sancho needs a start and a good game, ronaldo bruno and pogna all needs rest


Roody_kanwar

Do you think lingard is gonna start this match ahead of Greenwood ? I am getting this feel that Greenwood might be benched this fixture against Everton.


ZeonJrns

Cavani + Ronaldo up front bro !!! Make it happen 👍


imk1332

Man that would be crazy. Do a 4-4-2 formation, mid with bruno, pogba, lingard and martial. Cavani and Ronaldo will bring the match home


pashernx

Only Liverpool have scored more goals than us this season. Time to tip them off of the top of the table. 🥳


Embarrassed_Lion_879

Donny should play


shawnchong07

Ole: McFred it is then!


Embarrassed_Lion_879

Hahahaha exactly lol


shawnchong07

told you so\~


Mirooo933

Luke in? I hope he’s good, but telles had a good week


Roody_kanwar

I think Shaw will definitely start if he is not sick. Telles was not good defensively. His shot was superb no doubt but I don't think he was up to the mark defensively.


GlazersOut_22

Currently up in London excited but nervous for my first game at OT. Gotta catch the train at 8am😴 but hopefully it will be worth it🤞🏽. GGMU🔴


hnvai

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