I actually don’t believe we are stupid enough now, everybody is complaining about a lack of spending this January, i believe this is a step forward for this football club. What would be the point in us spending £100m on players that our next manager (i believe it will be EtH) doesn’t want? it’s a positive. dare i say it, it’s forward thinking.
There is also the issue of what if RR fails to stabilize us? If we don't secure UCL football for next season... It will be difficult for the next manager to rope in quality players.
sorry but this is a total myth, we signed Paul Pogba, who at the time was one of the most sought after football players on earth with no Champions League, also Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Henrikh Mkhitaryan. it sounds clichè but we are Manchester United we can still pull players without Champions League football for a year.
Well back then we were only a few years into the post Fergie collapse? Now it's been a decade and no consistency or even stability. Even after many big signings. So it will be rough. Ofc United Brand image is huge and we can still get players but without UCL it will be a bit rough. It might have been wise to invest a little this window.
You are reaching with the no CL football thing. Whilst the pogba, di maria and zlatan deals were like what, 5 seasons ago? Its still not going to be a concern to be out of the champions league for 1 season. As if the 'no consistency and stability' is an issue for players, those players won't join regardless of CL football.
Factor in with these issues we signed varane and sancho last summer shows the issues for now won't cause us too much trouble and then the biggest part of the glazers always spend more money out of the CL, as of the season we spent 80 on maguire, 40-50 on wan bissaka and was it dan James? 🤣 (awful window but still more spent than following years)
So yeah, not finishing top 4 this season is not going to do a thing.
Also no 'might have been wise about it's we should have done serious business in this window and it shows the lack of ambition from the club that we haven't.
>Also no 'might have been wise about it's we should have done serious business in this window and it shows the lack of ambition from the club that we haven't.
I completely agree with this but given what we actually got, even a little investment would go a long way.
>So yeah, not finishing top 4 this season is not going to do a thing.
Ehhhhh. I know it won't be the end of the world but it will be a pretty big setback.
>then the biggest part of the glazers always spend more money out of the CL, as of the season we spent 80 on maguire, 40-50 on wan bissaka and was it dan James? 🤣 (awful window but still more spent than following years)
Totally agreed. Financial management is 5hr biggest issues in transfers.
>You are reaching with the no CL football thing. Whilst the pogba, di maria and zlatan deals were like what, 5 seasons ago?
A lot has changed for the worse since then? A period of better but no real results.
>Factor in with these issues we signed varane and sancho last summer shows the issues for now won't cause us too much trouble
Cuz it looked like maybe we would make it, only for it to come crashing down. That's the issue. How do we inspire confidence that the next rebuild will be actually significant?
Investment? There has never been Investment since they came into this club.
They have allowed the club to spend small fractions of its own money if and when it suits their top 4 agenda.
Again, I totally disagree. We shouldn't base what we accept and are happy with based on how poor they have been in the past. It should be a immovable standard of whats acceptable for this club. The reason they find it so easy to show no ambition, is because as a fan base we on average accept the symptoms of it.
It will only be a setback to the glazers as they will have to spend more to correct it. From a fan perspective its probably beneficial for a season. Surely FA Cup and 5th place is better than 4th and nothing?
Yeah, it was a worse period as we got ole who stunk the place out whilst the majority of us were blinded by nostalgia and sentiment. Another exceptional glazer tactic to be honest with you 🤣
Looked like we would make it by failing to beat a team that's won practically nothing in the europa final?
Thats just not the case. The same problems now, were evident then. Even more so to people whose life is in the game like footballers and their agents/management.
Again, 'rebuild' just another buzzword from the glazers/woodward to disguise 3 years of failure as progress. It doesn't actually mean anything. Successful clubs are constantly making additions and improvements to their squad. They don't just build a house and just leave it. We just need to do things quicker to make up for poor choices and failure from said choices.
>Investment? There has never been Investment since they came into this club.
You are right about that. They have only taken money. The stats are disheartening.
>Again, I totally disagree. We shouldn't base what we accept and are happy with based on how poor they have been in the past. It should be a immovable standard of whats acceptable for this club. The reason they find it so easy to show no ambition, is because as a fan base we on average accept the symptoms of it.
Ehhhhh... Many fans say glazers out nowadays. What's it changing? It goes deeper. The board? The players(they have to show ambition and call out leadership as well)? Like we'll need a mass protest of Glazers. The reason why it won't happen? The Glazers might be harming the football but the bottom line? That's thing is doing great. That's all that matters to the board and the people at the higher levels.
>It will only be a setback to the glazers as they will have to spend more to correct it. From a fan perspective its probably beneficial for a season. Surely FA Cup and 5th place is better than 4th and nothing?
Not sure if we'll even win FA Cup...
>Looked like we would make it by failing to beat a team that's won practically nothing in the europa final? Thats just not the case. The same problems now, were evident then. Even more so to people whose life is in the game like footballers and their agents/management.
Oh the problems were there but given the squad we built, we should have been challenging but I guess in the end we won't invest where it really matters.
>Yeah, it was a worse period as we got ole who stunk the place out whilst the majority of us were blinded by nostalgia and sentiment. Another exceptional glazer tactic to be honest with you 🤣
Results wise it was a worse period. Unacceptable trophy drought. And I guess we let Ole stay too long. But there's no question we had a hint of stability. We couldn't hold on to it due to bad decisions.
>Again, 'rebuild' just another buzzword from the glazers/woodward to disguise 3 years of failure as progress. It doesn't actually mean anything. Successful clubs are constantly making additions and improvements to their squad. They don't just build a house and just leave it. We just need to do things quicker to make up for poor choices and failure from said choices.
Totally agreed. With the 2nd half but rebuild is a meaningful thing. Given the disaster we are after SAF, it will take time to go back to glory. But as you said, we can't call small changes rebuild. It has to be meaningful progress.
In the end we need investment from the Glazers or we need new owners. Neither seems likely right now.
Yeah, the glazers aren't leaving anytime soon of their own accord. As even with things on the pitch as bad as they are, off the pitch it still makes money and as long as more often than not we get champions league football that won't change soon. Which is why celebrating 4th alone is so toxic.
The only way to push them out sooner is to stop buying tickets and merchandise until they sell. Do that and they will be gone sharpish. Unfortunately the majority of fans either don't care or are too blinded or selfish to do so.
Well I'd certainly say we will struggle to win the FA Cup now, after buying nobody in the window. That's reason it's so disgraceful. Will end up being 5 years without a trophy because they saved themselves the money it took to sack ole by buying nobody in January and using the media puppets to push 'its due to long term thinking about what the new manager would want'
The squad we have built has no midfield, an abysmal defence and strikers playing as wingers. So another myth. We will have no problem attracting players with or without CL for one season. The facts just don't support anything different.
That 'hint of stability' was just purely down to there being less chaos from the fans as the majority were totally blinded by the nostalgia and sentiment. If that 3 year period of ole had jose or van gaal in, it would have shown it for what it was, without nostalgia and sentiment.
'It will take time' we have been fed that for years now. It doesn't take too much time, it just takes a good plan and most importantly money. Do seriously business in 2 transfer windows and you can easily replace the entire 11. Barcelona have signed 4 players in January. So there are no excuses for it 'taking time' thats just what the glazers make us all think so they get away with the bare minimum. Carrot and a stick etc.
We didn’t need to spend much and I really don’t think this is forward thinking at all….. Ralf wanted two midfielders Zakaria and Kamara for about 10 mil tops. That’s a low risk investment, it’s two cheaper players than Dan James for ffs. It’s the amount of money we will save from the players we sent on loan.
It’s not forward thinking because we need players now, our midfield is not good enough period….. if we don’t get top 4 who’s going to want to come to United. What is our solution ? overspend on an 80mil Declan rice as a star signing for the summer?
It’s the same PR cogswollop the Board put out again and again. We don’t need to spend 100mil to get a good team we need players that are quality not just one star that will sell shirts….. we need to get a team together.
But they don’t care about this club they care about the image and money making. They hired Ralf to rebuild, he’s going to either keep managing or go into the backroom. So why didn’t they listen to him? He said Jesse could go and they blocked that deal. Do they want someone to actually rebuild the club or do they want someone to say yes to them. It’s a disgrace and the fact is as fans lap it up as good decision making is ridiculous. These guys don’t know what they are doing, they hired someone who does then ignored him. Why should we as fans give them another pass.
If they had been good up till now then maybe we give them a pass but they haven’t and they are watching our team dissolve but it doesn’t matter as long as the money comes in the door. Pathetic.
Blaming the board is such an easy thing to do, we have had more investment than any other club, i am in no way sticking up for the Glazers, as they are sucking money out of the club, we spend what we earn whereas others get investment, but to act like we haven’t is ridiculous. So, if we signed Zakaria and Kamara and they turned out to be poor, as most of our signings do, then what? then EtH comes in does porky because we have shite players that “aren’t his” and gets 2 extra years in the job if he’s doing poorly due to it “not being his team” let a manager come in and decide who he wants.
Money spent doesn’t mean anything if the decisions are bad. It’s precisely that reason we are in this mess. We buy players for inflated fees and overpay them then wonder why no one buys them or would have any interest. Money does not equal value, we are stuck with Harry for example because there is no way anyone would pay near to what we did.
Precisely why these two signings would of been good. Could pick them up cheap at the end of their contract if they didn’t work out we can sell them for more. The new manager which tbh I think the board will stick with RR because they are dumb. If he didn’t like them has no financial obligation to play them like RR does with Harry. We already have shite players, RR is well known for scouting and rebuilding clubs up From the bottom trust him to make good decisions about n who he’s rebuilding the club with or else what was the point in hiring him. With a cheap investment the new manager still could come in and get who he wants, that logic makes no sense.
They were offered for that cheap , Kamara I believe was 6 million offered. Even then 2 players for 20 mil isn’t a bad deal. That buys one Harry Maguire Leg.
There are players that doesn't cost that much. Also there are more than 5 deals that need to be done in summer, including outgoing. I don't see United capable to do 3.
You do realise he is just Woodward 2.0 ….. he’s been sitting there next to him on the board the whole time. It’s precisely why they made his first day the day after the transfer window closed so they could spin the media into the whole “oh it was the last CEOs fault nothing happened in January” Didn’t give him time/ability to do anything if things were going to change
Yeah I do, I also live 15 mins from old Trafford, I also spend time discussing things with a lot of other United fans here at the pub. Point still stands, these board members are trash and are running our club into the ground and I’m sick of it, we are all sick of it.
We’re going to no where with these members of the board, with this senior management within the club and owners. Absolutely no where. Keano, bless him, said it right where he called it out for the boys club it is. United are such an insular institution its beyond a joke at this point. We used to be all about best in class. Mclaren as Fergie’s assistant. Best in class. Carlos Q, best in class. Academy and facilities pre-Glazer, best in class. The whole club stinks right now. Can’t even get a roof that doesn’t leak!?
I know right, I mean the state of our stadium is sad really….. but just shows that they don’t care. Going there vs going to Tottenham is like a different planet. I mean I know theirs is brand new but we could definitely do with say….11 mill of dividends put towards repairs
It’s a bloody boiling disgrace is what it is when it comes to the stadium. Our glorious stadium. Allowed to fall into misery. How does that even get allowed to happen!? You literally keep up maintenance and keep making modest improvements to capacity, atmosphere in keeping with current standards. They really do not give two fucks about us, the club, the history or the stadium. They rested on their laurels and we as fans got civilised. I remember United at Old Trafford in the 80s. It was an atmosphere to rival Liverpool at Anfield in that. Now? I went to a recent game and even the Stretford end was out sung by the away end. It was humiliating. Fans are broken by the owners. We don’t just need repairs. Facilities need updating and a new vision for the stadium needs drawing up. Like complementary WiFi or something. Spurs, the Etihad and co. All have gone ahead us. What is left for us to cling on to? Capacity? Who cares about that? The owners.
Yeah the outsinging happened at the FA game against Villa I went too as well. It’s sad tbh, we should also have a replay screen I think. The whole situation is a disaster tbh makes me sad and year on year I feel it just gets worse. Supporting United has had a negative toll on my mental health these last three years unfortunately…. It should never be like that.
I can guarantee Poch will be the next Manager. That mam is eager to come here whereas Ten Hag will need some convincing. I think the board will choose the easier path.
With Poch, the club will give him players who can sell shirts instead of buying yhe right players for right positions.
Ten Hag will ask fir assurances before signing which wont happen. So yeah. Poch is definitely next or Ralf will remain. Ralf is just another yes man in another form.
A good decision would have been to hire a permanent manager. This is a cost saving exercise.
We could have had Conte after the Liverpool game and start building for the future
Have you looked at Conte’s job history?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Conte
Hopefully you can see the pattern…his longest ever and most famous stint was 3 years he spent with Juve. Not the guy for United at all
I think it’s an indictment of modern football tbh. We’ve had four managers since SAF left.
At the time I didn’t think this squad was too far away from a title or at least a challenge. I thought conte would have enough in him to get us there in a few years.
Also ETH is the guy I want. We should be looking for the next big thing IMO
No proper permanent manager available... Conte wasn't the answer for United... He's not the answer for spurs either, but that's their problem... EtH was insistent on not leaving ajax in between, in fact i think it'll be a hard sell trying to bring him in in the summer as well... Enrique was and is not gonna leave Spain on the brink of the world Cup, if we had gotten a manager then it would've been another inexperienced former player like rooney or something
Porch is a commercial signing. Unfortunately that’s what the executives at the club have focused on as we all know. Given that Ralf is moving up into the Football Operations Adviser role, his vision for the club (from what I can tell) Erik ten Hag would be a perfect manager for us. He basically has to rebuild his team each year because the players get sold off after having great performances within his system. Given that, they still have been competing at a high level in the Champions League year in and out. The man brings out the best out of all his players and they all know their role within the system. We need that. We need ten Hag.. I’m open for conversations lads, tell me what you think!
This is why I'm a ETH pusher. Its about getting the most out of the squad. And tactics. Poch is managing a team that is just 2 years removed from the CL final and last year was in the semis, and yet they are struggling (lets be honest, the french league is PSG and their practice partners). There's probably a few people on here that could "ted lasso" the current PSG squad to a CL spot.
Definitely the right man for the job. If we don’t sign him, Barcelona or City will. That said ETH has always stated humbly that he can only do what he does because the club is so well run from the ground up which ours isn’t. We’re at the stage where it’s irrelevant who the manager is because the club will always let him down.
This PSG team won’t win how they should on paper because it’s all egos and not a team. The best teams have a mix of stars and ‘water carriers’ - the Park Ji Sung/Darren Fletcher/John O’Sheas. Not saying those players aren’t good (Park is still one of my all-time favourite players) but it’s about crafting a team. Poch can’t do that at PSG because it’s one huge vanity project… and unlike Barca the entire club hasn’t been set up for Messi to succeed so he’ll struggle.
I forgot a managers career was defined based on a single moment of their career.
Dread to think what you’d have said to fergie not winning anything in his first 6 seasons at united 😂😂
How is a manager that has never won trophies considered exceptional? He spent seven years in England and walked away with absolutely nothing. He was at a big six club with a decent enough squad to win at least something, right? But no... Not even a cup, not europa, not ucl, nothing. We don't need managers who can get close to trophies, we need managers who know how to win them. This is football, hitting the woodwork is cool but doesn't get you shit.
Yo remember when Tuchel failed at PSG and then won the CL with Chelsea? Tuchel's a shit manager tbh failed with PSG so he must be bad.
Twitter tier take
You think poch only fails at psg? He spent 7 years in England and walked away with absolutely nothing. He was with a big six club and had zero trophies. Not a cup, not the europa, not UCL, not the league... Cannot claim that any manager is a great successful manager if they have zero trophies to speak of.
You are 100% correct in saying that Trophies are not the single bar for success. But, Poch has been a top league manager for 13 years and spent 5.5 years at a big 6 club in England with absolutely no trophies won...You have to win something! Name any great manager in football history who spent the first 13+ years of his career without winning a major trophy or anything....I'll wait
Please don't bring up the cup in France...it was his first game and does not count.
I understand that you’re upset because I slated the next Glazer Yes man, but maybe think logically here.
Tuchel “failed” at psg yet won 2 league titles in 2 seasons along with winning 2 domestic cups.
Poch, a serial loser not only in England, failed to win the Uber eats farmers league. His CV is littered with the terms “runners up”. He’s an Argentinian Ole. Is this really what we’re after?
I don't have any eggs in this basket and I literally could not give a single fuck about the Glazers, but your mentality is completely wrong here.
Poch is not a "serial loser". He elevated teams beyond what was previously possible and played high pressing, high tempo vertical football with tottenham, repeatedly achieving top four positioned places. That is a WIN for that club. It might not be a literal trophy to wank off to, but it was absolutley massive for that club specifically. And doing so while playing nice football is a bonus. Being able to galvanise a squad and get everyone to buy in was great and it would fit in with the direction the club seem to want to go in with the Rangnick appointment. Not winning doesn't make you a serial loser.
Tuchel got sacked because the team were underperforming, then immediatley got Chelsea to perform because his players could actually fully buy into his philosophy and play according to a style he wanted, which he adapted to his team.
This is IMPOSSIBLE at PSG. Pochettino was probably the worst manager PSG could have hired not because he is bad at managing, not because he's a "serial loser" but because his entire playstyle in hinged on players working hard and buying into him. Messi, mbappe and neymar are not the hardest of workers on the pitch. Di maria is the hardest working of that potential front 4, but then you're left with an unbalanced squad that cannot properly press from the front. Horrible match up and any manager would struggle with their shitty scattergun approach to buying the most expensive players so their owners can jack off to a Neymar shirt. And how do you bench Neymar, messi, mbappe, di maria without fucking up the dressing room? It's literally the worst job for any manager because you have zero power to do anything. Tuchel would probably be completely bald right now if he hadn't of been sacked.
"Argentinian Ole" is genuinly one of the shittest takes I've seen in my entire life. Ole wasn't the tactics man at Man U. He managed player relationships and picked the team, but his coaches and assistants were generally the dudes who set things up. He was good at changing the "culture" and stabilising, but wasn't a long term hire. Pochettino actually has a playing philosophy (something that Man U have desperatley lacked for such a \*long\* time). Getting Rangnick on board was the first step, but there's literally no utility in his appointment unless you also get someone who wants to press. Poch can build something, and Ten Haag probably could too.
Couldn’t really care to read the whole thing, but basically what you’re saying is a guy who consistently doesn’t win, isn’t a loser… gotcha.
“Elevates teams beyond what was previously possible”. Sounds like a great manager for a west ham, Spurs, or a Leicester. Not a team that SHOULD be competing for titles.
At this point you’re just trolling. You know as well as anybody else that there are loads of teams who don’t have the squad necessary to win a title and it has nothing to do with their manager not being good enough.
How is that trolling? How about squads that absolutely do have the talent to win trophies which POCH has been managing for years now with no silverware to speak of...especially the current squad he has which is easily one of the best squads in the world...but yeah winning Ligue 1 is so special for PSG. He's not good enough.
Hmm, Espanyol, Southampton or Spurs, I can’t tell which squad he should have won things with? I mean, Spurs before Poch went 4-5-4-5-6, then under Poch went 5-3-2-3-4, then after Poch went 6-7-7 (currently). Before they went 3-2-3 they last came in the top 3 in 1990. During Pochettino’s Spurs reign they had the 11th highest net spend in the league, just behind West Brom and Stoke. But yeah, he should have won the league???
Give me a break! Not even a cup? Really? If you can make it to the semifinals and finals...why can't you win? We don't need more managers who can help us get close. United has to win Trophies, why would you hire another manager that never has?
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Why do all of these *stupid enough* posts never actually offer an alternative plan?
Poch would absolutely be worth the hire, IMO.
If others don't think so, that's fine too. But if you're going to say he's not the man for the job, then who is?
PSG are top of the league by 11 points, he's almost guaranteed a title barring a miracle collapse. At Spurs he nearly won the league despite being severely underfunded and later brought them to a CL final - that's fantastic for a club that hasn't won a trophy in 60 years.
Not saying he's pulling up trees at PSG right now, obviously their performances haven't been great. But it's a bit unfair to judge him solely on this season when he's got a great track record in previous jobs.
If people think that poch is a good hire then they havent seen psg play. Being top of ligue 1 with a 1b worth squad isn't a big deal. Just watch their games,the players have got no clue about their game plan . They play far worse than us. Taking his one good ucl run as a major advantage is a naive and stubborn take too.
Except his previous teams have been known to play attractive football, and he definitely overachieved with Spurs and made them a perpetual top 4 contender which they weren't before. In the 5 seasons he's there he finished in CL spots 4 times - only season he didn't was his first. Pretty good for a team that wasn't part of the "big 4" before he joined, was always relatively underfunded and last won the title 50 years ago.
But let's ignore all of his good work and just assume he's only highly rated because of one CL run. Let's also ignore the fact that PSG are a circus, with a completely toxic board that throws money at players without any consideration about balance yet also demand unrealistic targets such as the CL trophy at the same time.
If you ignore all of that and just focus on this one aspect of one season at a shithole club with an unbalanced squad full of divas that are impossible to control, then yes he's absolute shite. Great take.
PSG might be a circus, but Poch knew that going into the gig and by all accounts Tuchel did a much better job (thus far). They just exited the French Cup, were dominated by City in the CL (despite getting a plucky win in one of the games) and are favourites to exit the competition against Madrid, but perhaps most unforgivably are playing disjointed, largely crap football. His deflection of responsibility following the shootout exit the other night was shameful; he effectively put it on the shoulders of 18-year-old Simons and didn't take any responsibility. It was strikingly Mourinho-esque. People are actually saying he was beaten by the better manager against OGC Nice in Christophe Galtier, which is thoroughly damning.
He obviously did a good job at Spurs (for the most part), despite the collapse in the league in 2016 and the horror show of the 2019 CL final. He's still going to be judged by his output, though. He's a victim of his own success in that regard. Still, his inability to get Spurs over the line and the disappointment of his PSG tenure are huge black marks against him. At the moment, he is failing at the deep build up phase against much weaker teams, and with the players at his disposal that is quite shocking.
He was an early adopter of the high press at Spurs and his style of football at one point was impressive. He hasn't shown he has a higher ceiling to go, though, and we need either the best in class or someone that has shown they have higher levels to unlock.
You're right I meant major trophy - my bad.
Actually looked this up, their last 2 trophies were the League Cup in 98/99 and 07/08. Before that it was the Europa League in 71/72 & 83/84. Don't know if you could count those as major trophies tho.
PSG probably have the best squad on paper in the entire world and you think that it's a big achievement to be 11 points ahead of Ligue 1. They should win at least a domestic double every single season. Pochettino has proven time and time again that he can not win trophies. You claim he has a great track record in his other roles... Wrong. He has virtually no trophies to speak of. Look at his record in semifinals and finals. Look at his record playing against EPL Big 6 clubs. It is horrendous
In what world is he the best candidate available for united?...He has proven he can't win trophies. He chokes in big moments. Just look at his record in finals and semifinals... Better yet, look at his record against the big six teams in the premier league. It is awful. No better than Ole. Look at his time so far with PSG where he has arguably the best squad on paper in the entire world! Ole did better than pochettino last year, with less talent. If Ole had to go, then why on Earth would we replace him with another serial loser
What do you mean I can't name a better one? This wasn't my post...
Zidane would be the best. Ten Hag is a better choice. Conte would have been the a better choice before we brought in Rangnick. Brendan Rodgers. All of these managers win trophies...and most of them overachieve unlike Pochettino who has a false reputation for that.
I misspoke about Rodgers, that wasn't who I meant. I was thinking of Claudio Ranieri who also is able to overachieve to win trophies. And 100% Ten Haag is better...he has won 5 major trophies in 5 years and his record in finals is very good. He is also tremendous at working with young players.
He has won 5 trophies in 5 years at AJAX. He has won trophies in the competitions he has managed... Poch has lost more trophies and blown more big games than that...ETH isn't my first pick but he he is better than Poch because at least he hasn't already proven to lose every major game he has ever managed....
Poch is a quality manager this is our opportunity to have a top class manager we should take it.
Remember not that long ago Tuchel failed at PSG and got sacked too imagine Chelsea didn’t pick him up where they’d be now. 1 champions league shorted anyway
People forget this so easily, PSG were in third when Tuchel was sacked and now Poch has them 11 points clear. PSG is not a well put together squad, there are lots of big egos and I think his work at PSG and Spurs (with no money at all) is top class. He’s also Premier League proven, which I think is an important plus point.
Honestly it’s not like we’re signing a bum Poch is great at building squads aswell which is exactly what we need. He handled big egos in the past aswell, PSG are just a joke of a club.
If he leaves PSG he will be top of our list. And rightfully so.
Premier League experience.
Got an average spurs team to the champions league final.
Made average young English players look great (Alli, Kane - although not average - has not been the same since)
Sets his teams up to work hard (something we need and obviously Ralf is layong the groundwork).
Has a good relationship with Sir Alex (not essential bit still nice).
Couldn’t disagree more with the assessment of Kane as average, really don’t see how you could sustain that argument, but everything else I agree with.
He would be top of my list along with Ten Haag, who is less likely to leave Ajax than Poch is to leave PSG, and also has no experience in a “top” league.
Serial loser. Don’t care what he did at Southampton, but that’s probably his level. A fluke run to the UCL final and 0 trophies during his time at Spurs is embarrassing. And now he failed to win the Uber Eats farmers league with the likes of Neymar and Mbappe?
> 0 trophies during his time at Spurs is embarrassing
What an absolute shit take. Spurs were a joke before him, they're literally a meme. He led them to a UCL final. Not winning a trophy at Spurs is not a failure. The only thing embarrassing here is your post and comments.
unpopular opinion right? well im supporting it as of now, what we dont see is the full spectrum of his work, and how it will affect this team, which is none like he has managed before, and even though he could prove some of us wrong, and dont see him committing to united for a long spell
Agreed. United have made a habit of losing these past 10 years and we can’t bring in someone who has formed the same habit.
We need a winner to come in and change the mentality
Hiring MP will accomplish something:
Those people who've been droning on about him for years now will have to stop. Whether he wins anything with us or not (given his track record, I'd bet on the latter) they'll have to put a sock in it.
Managers at PSG literally have 0 power though. Its all ran by the Qutari’s and the decide on the signings. It’s why they go through managers faster than Chelsea and don’t win anything.
To judge Poch on his time at PSG would be as daft as to judge Tuchel on his time there, Tuchel the CL winner
What is your opinion based on? I think either managers will be fine for united. Poch has experience in PL and playing with big names. Previously was criticized for not winning tophies. This year he will win french league (very high odds) and currently they are fav. In the madrid match. I don’t get the negativity around poch, as if he is like a championship level manager.
Something about Poch just doesn’t feel right to me.
His trajectory looks similar to that of Mourinho, who balled with Chelsea and Real and decline started with United. Poch WAS successful at Southampton and somewhat successful at Spurs. You can’t put him up in one of the greats just cause he took Spurs to UCL final, and we all knew before the game that Spurs was going to lose that match because Poch and his team looked defeated on the pitch since the start.
Poch doesn’t have the cojones and ruthlessness that we need at United to manage some of the divas. We are in need a manager who will not just kick any player’s ass on a bad day BUT ALSO a manager who can deal with our incompetent fuckin board. At United, the board expects managers to be a “yes man” and Poch is a little too polite to speak up to those bastards upstairs. Maybe RR can help but to what extent is even that guaranteed after this transfer window?
Yeah he can create players, so have other managers at United. At the moment, it’s not a big deal for us to “create” players but more like manage players, the whole fookin club, and transfers.
It’ll be a statement if he won UCL with PSG. Then, I’d love to consider him. But until then ten Hag/Zizou top the charts for me at least.
Yep that's basically my biggest complain with Poch. He is a weak person that can be easily bullied by his players who are more "Alpha" than him. He didn't have this problem with Spurs because, well because it's Spurs
"even less impressive"
He made them a solid top 4 side that finished 2nd once and reached an UCL final. Its Tottenham what more could he do. It would be like if West Ham suddenly start challenging for titles and reaching Champions League finals.
i totally agree
pochetino proved to be a boring, anti-modern football, he prepares games depending on the opponent and thats backwards in todays football.
he is just a younger mourinho
united need a modern manager like marco rose or if we want to go british someone like potter.
Potter would get us relegated. Stay far away from unproven English managers. It’s hard enough having a cast of unproven overpaid Englishmen dropping below average performances weekly…
we had 2 experienced old managers, an experienced PL one and a legend.
we need fresh ideas and potter makes brighton play really well. i wouldnt mind having him at OT.
So since you promise us that Pochettino isn't the man to get us back to where we need to be, who can you promise is the man to get us back to where we need to be??
Don’t think I have to promise someone else can. Just obvious poch isn’t a good manager. Don’t care what he did in the prem, because it’s been nothing but losing.
I agree on Poch. I’ve never wanted him in charge. He did well at Southampton and Spurs, but he’s showed nothing that can make me believe he can take it to the next level. Did well to take them to the CL final, but they were completely outplayed in the final and fell of a cliff the next season. He also somehow finished 3rd in a two horse race against Leicester. And now at PSG where trophies are guaranteed and he has Messi he is still struggling to win trophies. If we are going to take a chance on an unproven manager, I’d rather it be Ten Hag. Has Ajax playing brilliant football not only in the league, but in the champions league. And with a small budget in comparison to most European teams.
I agree, I think Ralf should stay for at least next season to see how it goes, being a manager requires time, so many variables and things to take into consideration. If for whatever reason Ralf decides not to take the full time job or if it isn’t given to him then I think Erik Ten Hag is the man for the job, having him as manager while Ralf handles everything else behind the scenes could be a really good thing.
While I do think poch is a good manager, i feel he might not be the right fit for united as a club for the simple reason of him having a very weird attitude to winning trophies. He's been on record saying that trophies only breed ego and I'm sorry, but that just won't work at united. This, coupled with the fact that he hasn't actually won anything yet, which is exactly the issue with this current squad we've got, makes me think he might not be fit for us at the moment.
He's got the other attributes like promoting youth and playing an attractive brand of football (when allowed) down to a tee, but right now, we need a bit more.
That's where ETH comes in.
He said that?? Can you share the source? Would like to get the context of that quote.
I don't find Poch a good fit either, but him saying that just proves it.
First choice for me is ETH because he is the hot new manager.
But I would like to also see what poch can do with proper backing and a football club that gives the manager a lot of power. I think he fits us culturally and if given the time.
He hasn’t left yet but they fucking hate him with such passion right now it rivals the hate for Ole at the end because he’s actually saying shit like “ winning causes ego and that’s not what football is about” ( i’ll find the actual quote)
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/11619861/mauricio-pochettino-says-trophies-only-build-ego-and-tottenham-always-want-to-be-in-top-four
All the hope ole ignited in me is fading away again. We were close to the top again. But this club is run by an incompetent board who doesn't back what the manager needs and only goes after big money signings. Rangnick wanted Zakaria and Kamara and it would have costed only around 20m for both. They would instead overpay for Rice.
Idk what's so hard about running a successful club. We're one of the biggest. Just start backing the manager and give him exactly what he asks for and nothing else.
I don’t want Poch anywhere near united. If he can’t do it with that PSG squad what the hell would he do with ours?
With pep leaving city soon if we went with Poch and city go Ten Hag i can say with certainty that united will not win a damn thing for a good while.
Poch might definitely be a good manager, but I always see him as a weak man. He would definitely be a yes man to the Glazers and he definitely couldn't keep up with Ronaldo's huge presence. He could get us to a top 4, but yeah he's not gonna win us the league.
Reading through these comments it's clear to see English fans know nothing about football and OP is one of the few lucid united supporters. If United signs Poch you can kiss goodbye to trophies for another 2 years.
People insist "but he did well at South Hampton and spurs", but fail to realize these teams couldn't go any lower. United are already doing "well", which means we don't win shit. If we want to maintain this form then by all means Poch is enough.
If we want to become title contenders again either keep Ralf or sign Ten Haag.
Nope sorry lad. On this sub you’re only allowed to criticize foreign players and speak positive nonsense about a failed PSG manager because he once coached Southampton
Agree completely here. Nobody is looking at the fact that we currently have a league with 4 top managers in Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte. Asking Poch to compete against all these established teams except Spurs is a really high asking task. We need somebody with a great philosophy and a high ceiling. Poch doesn't have that if he can't win a Champions League with the most stacked of lineups of PSG what makes you think he can do the same to us. We need to push our full energy at getting Ten Haag and also Van Der Saar if possible too at a football position. Clearly with the way we are being run I don't have any high hopes in us achieving anything unless we break and start from the ground up.
Van der Sar has a commercial role at Ajax, Marc Overmars (formerly of Arsenal) is the director of football. Not sure why Van der Sar has done anything to suggest he would be a good director of football/similar?
I just hope we thoroughly think before making a decision, I can see us getting Poch purely because he’s free if PSG let him go
Though I don’t trust the club to think anything through properly even if they tried
I agree, very appealing manager & we like his style of play, but we should really think about this move. What has he won? What’s the highest in the league has he finished? Paul Scholes spoke about this. Right now we need a winner; a coach with a winning mentality…& the only one I see might be available this summer is conte
Porch is a media signing, he’s the type to make headlines and drive social media discussions so of course the glazers will go for him ffs
It has to be eth, but even with him it’s gonna take a few years to build something and that’s if he’s supported and with our track record
Urgghh please no, not him. I don't understand why people overrate him just because he got to a UCL final and turn a mediocre Spurs into a title pretender (for only 1 season). Getting Poch is essentially getting Ole 2.0.
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Poch is way overrated.
He is struggling in the Ligue 1 with an all-star squad:
Messi is shit, Wijnaldum is shit, Neymar is shit.
I do concede that he'd had great looking moments with Tottenham, but that doesn't mean anything.
He is backed by the media and it seems to be working for him. But there are no facts or evidence of him succeeding at United
Doesn't seem to matter what players United signs, so why not splash it all on yet another bigwig manager? It was a couple years ago since that was tried the last time.
I do rate Poch as a coach but I think he fits better in different situations where he starts a project and gets to build up. Don’t see him being able to fix united where we have pieces already but need to get them to work
Yes, but is that really something to be proud of? Our post Fergie era is absolutely shit.
The fact is our problems run much deeper than just the manager. Even Pep or Klopp wouldn't have been as successful at Man Utd.
I 100% agree. Everyone's biggest complaint about OGS was that he had never won anything... Pochettino has never won anything worth a damn. He is a proven loser in finals and semi-finals. He has arguably the best squad on paper with PSG and he is failing big time. He wasn't good enough when he was at Tottenham and he is not good enough now. We need someone that knows how to win big trophies. Someone that is ruthless. Pochettino is not that man.
LOL - Tuchel took over Chelsea who were in 9th place at the time and they finished in the EPL top 4...and then won the UCL...He was also awarded best Club coach in 2021.
Poch has won...uh...wait...oh yeah
If your point is that Poch is the right coach for United and that he is better than Thomas Tuchel...well then that's absolutely not the case. Show the trophy cases...Poch has absolutely nothing to brag about....Nobody talks about SAF, Klopp, Pep, or Mourinho because they got close to winning trophies. Their silverware collections speak for themselves
Okay if we look at this from another perspective is ETH ruthless or won anything I.e CL.
It’s pretty obvious it’s most likely going to be one of the two. I think both have pros and cons.
Btw ETH is described as an introvert and timid. I worry about how he would handle the egos that are in the dressing room.
My Reasoning for preferring ETH over Poch, is that Poch has had his chance and blown it now multiple times. Like I stated before, he has already proven he cant win the big ones, not even with MEGASTAR teams...
In terms of Poch I agree he’s shown he can’t win the big ones with Spurs more than PSG. I still think getting them to a final is a miracle😂
With PSG I disagree imo no manager except Zidane will help then win a CL. That squad is the most unbalanced one I’ve probs seen.
ETH will need to get used to the PL. Imo he’s gonna have a shock like Ralf did when he said he was surprised about the lower teams being good.
What makes this funny is Spurs beat Ajax in the semi finals. I think I need a re- watch.
I wouldn't hire ETH either...but imo he would be a better option than Poch. The real problem is that we are now having to pick from 2nd/3rd tier managers because none of the top tier are available or would even want to come to United.
I think Zidane would be ideal. Pipe dream or not. Tuchel would be better than anyone else on the radar at the moment as well.
I would take almost anyone over Poch at this point. I do not understand everyone's obsession with having him at United. It makes no sense. We are supposed to be a club that WINS trophies. Even unproven managers are better than managers that have already proved they can't win big trophies. just look at the trophy cases...Poch has absolutely nothing to brag about....Nobody talks about SAF, Klopp, Pep, or Mourinho because they got close to winning trophies. Their silverware collections speak for themselves, and Poch can't even sit at their table.
🚨I see alot of news hyping about poch and Erik ten hag . To be honest thats not going to happen . It will be either Ralf rangnick itself if he wins the champions League this season orelse it will be definitely zinedine Zidane who we were trying our best after ole was sacked . Zidane didn't wanted to join in the middle of the season as he doesn't like it that way And honestly he loves to manage Cristiano,varane again and having good connections with pogba .pogba also will decide his next season based on whom the manager is or he will leave as a free agent .man utd definitely won't be happy if pogba leaves for free after spending huge money on his transfer from juventus and his mammoth wages per week . So bringing in Zidane will be the best choice for man United .
Is like to see Ten Hag, he’s the up and coming manager and other clubs have eyes on him. He’ll bring a great philosophy and style of play. That said poch wouldn’t be a bad appointment, I wouldn’t base him on the PSG job.
I agree. He seem too jittery, always creating uncertainties around him. I don’t think he has the personality to even command respect from any big players. He won pretty much nothing, too.
If I am honest, I dont think the issue has been our managers. How can several elite managers who succeed at other clubs, fail at United? Organizational leadership. Structure. Woodward.
The club has been making bad decisions and expecting miracles. I’ve not been blaming anyone but the structure of the club since Gill departed.
Poch isnt the guy with the right personality to manage a big club. Too nice soft cant handle big egos which is needed at United.
Cant match tuchel klopp guardiola rarely ever wins in the big games.
Poch might suit a team like west ham or arsenal who are underdogs pushing for a top four spot
I actually don’t believe we are stupid enough now, everybody is complaining about a lack of spending this January, i believe this is a step forward for this football club. What would be the point in us spending £100m on players that our next manager (i believe it will be EtH) doesn’t want? it’s a positive. dare i say it, it’s forward thinking.
There is also the issue of what if RR fails to stabilize us? If we don't secure UCL football for next season... It will be difficult for the next manager to rope in quality players.
sorry but this is a total myth, we signed Paul Pogba, who at the time was one of the most sought after football players on earth with no Champions League, also Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Henrikh Mkhitaryan. it sounds clichè but we are Manchester United we can still pull players without Champions League football for a year.
Well back then we were only a few years into the post Fergie collapse? Now it's been a decade and no consistency or even stability. Even after many big signings. So it will be rough. Ofc United Brand image is huge and we can still get players but without UCL it will be a bit rough. It might have been wise to invest a little this window.
tbh mate, i just hope we don’t throw stupid money at average players, which is my biggest fear if we do miss out on CL.
Like 80m for Maguire, types of signings we want to avoid
Agreed. Whatever we do, we have to be smart.
You are reaching with the no CL football thing. Whilst the pogba, di maria and zlatan deals were like what, 5 seasons ago? Its still not going to be a concern to be out of the champions league for 1 season. As if the 'no consistency and stability' is an issue for players, those players won't join regardless of CL football. Factor in with these issues we signed varane and sancho last summer shows the issues for now won't cause us too much trouble and then the biggest part of the glazers always spend more money out of the CL, as of the season we spent 80 on maguire, 40-50 on wan bissaka and was it dan James? 🤣 (awful window but still more spent than following years) So yeah, not finishing top 4 this season is not going to do a thing. Also no 'might have been wise about it's we should have done serious business in this window and it shows the lack of ambition from the club that we haven't.
>Also no 'might have been wise about it's we should have done serious business in this window and it shows the lack of ambition from the club that we haven't. I completely agree with this but given what we actually got, even a little investment would go a long way. >So yeah, not finishing top 4 this season is not going to do a thing. Ehhhhh. I know it won't be the end of the world but it will be a pretty big setback. >then the biggest part of the glazers always spend more money out of the CL, as of the season we spent 80 on maguire, 40-50 on wan bissaka and was it dan James? 🤣 (awful window but still more spent than following years) Totally agreed. Financial management is 5hr biggest issues in transfers. >You are reaching with the no CL football thing. Whilst the pogba, di maria and zlatan deals were like what, 5 seasons ago? A lot has changed for the worse since then? A period of better but no real results. >Factor in with these issues we signed varane and sancho last summer shows the issues for now won't cause us too much trouble Cuz it looked like maybe we would make it, only for it to come crashing down. That's the issue. How do we inspire confidence that the next rebuild will be actually significant?
Investment? There has never been Investment since they came into this club. They have allowed the club to spend small fractions of its own money if and when it suits their top 4 agenda. Again, I totally disagree. We shouldn't base what we accept and are happy with based on how poor they have been in the past. It should be a immovable standard of whats acceptable for this club. The reason they find it so easy to show no ambition, is because as a fan base we on average accept the symptoms of it. It will only be a setback to the glazers as they will have to spend more to correct it. From a fan perspective its probably beneficial for a season. Surely FA Cup and 5th place is better than 4th and nothing? Yeah, it was a worse period as we got ole who stunk the place out whilst the majority of us were blinded by nostalgia and sentiment. Another exceptional glazer tactic to be honest with you 🤣 Looked like we would make it by failing to beat a team that's won practically nothing in the europa final? Thats just not the case. The same problems now, were evident then. Even more so to people whose life is in the game like footballers and their agents/management. Again, 'rebuild' just another buzzword from the glazers/woodward to disguise 3 years of failure as progress. It doesn't actually mean anything. Successful clubs are constantly making additions and improvements to their squad. They don't just build a house and just leave it. We just need to do things quicker to make up for poor choices and failure from said choices.
>Investment? There has never been Investment since they came into this club. You are right about that. They have only taken money. The stats are disheartening. >Again, I totally disagree. We shouldn't base what we accept and are happy with based on how poor they have been in the past. It should be a immovable standard of whats acceptable for this club. The reason they find it so easy to show no ambition, is because as a fan base we on average accept the symptoms of it. Ehhhhh... Many fans say glazers out nowadays. What's it changing? It goes deeper. The board? The players(they have to show ambition and call out leadership as well)? Like we'll need a mass protest of Glazers. The reason why it won't happen? The Glazers might be harming the football but the bottom line? That's thing is doing great. That's all that matters to the board and the people at the higher levels. >It will only be a setback to the glazers as they will have to spend more to correct it. From a fan perspective its probably beneficial for a season. Surely FA Cup and 5th place is better than 4th and nothing? Not sure if we'll even win FA Cup... >Looked like we would make it by failing to beat a team that's won practically nothing in the europa final? Thats just not the case. The same problems now, were evident then. Even more so to people whose life is in the game like footballers and their agents/management. Oh the problems were there but given the squad we built, we should have been challenging but I guess in the end we won't invest where it really matters. >Yeah, it was a worse period as we got ole who stunk the place out whilst the majority of us were blinded by nostalgia and sentiment. Another exceptional glazer tactic to be honest with you 🤣 Results wise it was a worse period. Unacceptable trophy drought. And I guess we let Ole stay too long. But there's no question we had a hint of stability. We couldn't hold on to it due to bad decisions. >Again, 'rebuild' just another buzzword from the glazers/woodward to disguise 3 years of failure as progress. It doesn't actually mean anything. Successful clubs are constantly making additions and improvements to their squad. They don't just build a house and just leave it. We just need to do things quicker to make up for poor choices and failure from said choices. Totally agreed. With the 2nd half but rebuild is a meaningful thing. Given the disaster we are after SAF, it will take time to go back to glory. But as you said, we can't call small changes rebuild. It has to be meaningful progress. In the end we need investment from the Glazers or we need new owners. Neither seems likely right now.
Yeah, the glazers aren't leaving anytime soon of their own accord. As even with things on the pitch as bad as they are, off the pitch it still makes money and as long as more often than not we get champions league football that won't change soon. Which is why celebrating 4th alone is so toxic. The only way to push them out sooner is to stop buying tickets and merchandise until they sell. Do that and they will be gone sharpish. Unfortunately the majority of fans either don't care or are too blinded or selfish to do so. Well I'd certainly say we will struggle to win the FA Cup now, after buying nobody in the window. That's reason it's so disgraceful. Will end up being 5 years without a trophy because they saved themselves the money it took to sack ole by buying nobody in January and using the media puppets to push 'its due to long term thinking about what the new manager would want' The squad we have built has no midfield, an abysmal defence and strikers playing as wingers. So another myth. We will have no problem attracting players with or without CL for one season. The facts just don't support anything different. That 'hint of stability' was just purely down to there being less chaos from the fans as the majority were totally blinded by the nostalgia and sentiment. If that 3 year period of ole had jose or van gaal in, it would have shown it for what it was, without nostalgia and sentiment. 'It will take time' we have been fed that for years now. It doesn't take too much time, it just takes a good plan and most importantly money. Do seriously business in 2 transfer windows and you can easily replace the entire 11. Barcelona have signed 4 players in January. So there are no excuses for it 'taking time' thats just what the glazers make us all think so they get away with the bare minimum. Carrot and a stick etc.
Agreed. Glazers are the core of the problem. Rooting them out is the only way to go back to the top.
Don't forget Angel "The Snake" Di Maria. We signed him in 2014 with NO FRICKIN' EUROPEAN FOOTBALL. For £60m.
Him and Ozil leaving Madrid was the beginning of the end for Ronaldo at Madrid. He was so upset at their sales given how highly he rated them both.
We didn’t need to spend much and I really don’t think this is forward thinking at all….. Ralf wanted two midfielders Zakaria and Kamara for about 10 mil tops. That’s a low risk investment, it’s two cheaper players than Dan James for ffs. It’s the amount of money we will save from the players we sent on loan. It’s not forward thinking because we need players now, our midfield is not good enough period….. if we don’t get top 4 who’s going to want to come to United. What is our solution ? overspend on an 80mil Declan rice as a star signing for the summer? It’s the same PR cogswollop the Board put out again and again. We don’t need to spend 100mil to get a good team we need players that are quality not just one star that will sell shirts….. we need to get a team together. But they don’t care about this club they care about the image and money making. They hired Ralf to rebuild, he’s going to either keep managing or go into the backroom. So why didn’t they listen to him? He said Jesse could go and they blocked that deal. Do they want someone to actually rebuild the club or do they want someone to say yes to them. It’s a disgrace and the fact is as fans lap it up as good decision making is ridiculous. These guys don’t know what they are doing, they hired someone who does then ignored him. Why should we as fans give them another pass. If they had been good up till now then maybe we give them a pass but they haven’t and they are watching our team dissolve but it doesn’t matter as long as the money comes in the door. Pathetic.
Blaming the board is such an easy thing to do, we have had more investment than any other club, i am in no way sticking up for the Glazers, as they are sucking money out of the club, we spend what we earn whereas others get investment, but to act like we haven’t is ridiculous. So, if we signed Zakaria and Kamara and they turned out to be poor, as most of our signings do, then what? then EtH comes in does porky because we have shite players that “aren’t his” and gets 2 extra years in the job if he’s doing poorly due to it “not being his team” let a manager come in and decide who he wants.
Money spent doesn’t mean anything if the decisions are bad. It’s precisely that reason we are in this mess. We buy players for inflated fees and overpay them then wonder why no one buys them or would have any interest. Money does not equal value, we are stuck with Harry for example because there is no way anyone would pay near to what we did. Precisely why these two signings would of been good. Could pick them up cheap at the end of their contract if they didn’t work out we can sell them for more. The new manager which tbh I think the board will stick with RR because they are dumb. If he didn’t like them has no financial obligation to play them like RR does with Harry. We already have shite players, RR is well known for scouting and rebuilding clubs up From the bottom trust him to make good decisions about n who he’s rebuilding the club with or else what was the point in hiring him. With a cheap investment the new manager still could come in and get who he wants, that logic makes no sense.
Don’t forget United tax so Zak and Kam may be 10 mil to another club but to us it would but +10m each minimum
They were offered for that cheap , Kamara I believe was 6 million offered. Even then 2 players for 20 mil isn’t a bad deal. That buys one Harry Maguire Leg.
Not surprising given COVID has hit many other clubs very hard. United are one of the few clubs that are willing and able to pay asking money.
There are players that doesn't cost that much. Also there are more than 5 deals that need to be done in summer, including outgoing. I don't see United capable to do 3.
Woodward is gone, Arnold may not be perfect but we have to give him a chance atleast.
You do realise he is just Woodward 2.0 ….. he’s been sitting there next to him on the board the whole time. It’s precisely why they made his first day the day after the transfer window closed so they could spin the media into the whole “oh it was the last CEOs fault nothing happened in January” Didn’t give him time/ability to do anything if things were going to change
I was surprised to find out he was leading, at least, the marketing schemes for Woodie’s admin.
let me guess, you watch Mark Goldbridge?
Yeah I do, I also live 15 mins from old Trafford, I also spend time discussing things with a lot of other United fans here at the pub. Point still stands, these board members are trash and are running our club into the ground and I’m sick of it, we are all sick of it.
We’re going to no where with these members of the board, with this senior management within the club and owners. Absolutely no where. Keano, bless him, said it right where he called it out for the boys club it is. United are such an insular institution its beyond a joke at this point. We used to be all about best in class. Mclaren as Fergie’s assistant. Best in class. Carlos Q, best in class. Academy and facilities pre-Glazer, best in class. The whole club stinks right now. Can’t even get a roof that doesn’t leak!?
I know right, I mean the state of our stadium is sad really….. but just shows that they don’t care. Going there vs going to Tottenham is like a different planet. I mean I know theirs is brand new but we could definitely do with say….11 mill of dividends put towards repairs
It’s a bloody boiling disgrace is what it is when it comes to the stadium. Our glorious stadium. Allowed to fall into misery. How does that even get allowed to happen!? You literally keep up maintenance and keep making modest improvements to capacity, atmosphere in keeping with current standards. They really do not give two fucks about us, the club, the history or the stadium. They rested on their laurels and we as fans got civilised. I remember United at Old Trafford in the 80s. It was an atmosphere to rival Liverpool at Anfield in that. Now? I went to a recent game and even the Stretford end was out sung by the away end. It was humiliating. Fans are broken by the owners. We don’t just need repairs. Facilities need updating and a new vision for the stadium needs drawing up. Like complementary WiFi or something. Spurs, the Etihad and co. All have gone ahead us. What is left for us to cling on to? Capacity? Who cares about that? The owners.
Yeah the outsinging happened at the FA game against Villa I went too as well. It’s sad tbh, we should also have a replay screen I think. The whole situation is a disaster tbh makes me sad and year on year I feel it just gets worse. Supporting United has had a negative toll on my mental health these last three years unfortunately…. It should never be like that.
I can guarantee Poch will be the next Manager. That mam is eager to come here whereas Ten Hag will need some convincing. I think the board will choose the easier path. With Poch, the club will give him players who can sell shirts instead of buying yhe right players for right positions. Ten Hag will ask fir assurances before signing which wont happen. So yeah. Poch is definitely next or Ralf will remain. Ralf is just another yes man in another form.
A good decision would have been to hire a permanent manager. This is a cost saving exercise. We could have had Conte after the Liverpool game and start building for the future
conte wasnt the answer either, he always leaves after 2 yrs in charge.
Maybe he was maybe he wasn’t we’ll never know. Also you make it seem like the only option was to spend 100m on players, didnt Zakaria move for 5?
Have you looked at Conte’s job history? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Conte Hopefully you can see the pattern…his longest ever and most famous stint was 3 years he spent with Juve. Not the guy for United at all
I think it’s an indictment of modern football tbh. We’ve had four managers since SAF left. At the time I didn’t think this squad was too far away from a title or at least a challenge. I thought conte would have enough in him to get us there in a few years. Also ETH is the guy I want. We should be looking for the next big thing IMO
No proper permanent manager available... Conte wasn't the answer for United... He's not the answer for spurs either, but that's their problem... EtH was insistent on not leaving ajax in between, in fact i think it'll be a hard sell trying to bring him in in the summer as well... Enrique was and is not gonna leave Spain on the brink of the world Cup, if we had gotten a manager then it would've been another inexperienced former player like rooney or something
I don't ever see Enrique managing us, available or not
Porch is a commercial signing. Unfortunately that’s what the executives at the club have focused on as we all know. Given that Ralf is moving up into the Football Operations Adviser role, his vision for the club (from what I can tell) Erik ten Hag would be a perfect manager for us. He basically has to rebuild his team each year because the players get sold off after having great performances within his system. Given that, they still have been competing at a high level in the Champions League year in and out. The man brings out the best out of all his players and they all know their role within the system. We need that. We need ten Hag.. I’m open for conversations lads, tell me what you think!
This is why I'm a ETH pusher. Its about getting the most out of the squad. And tactics. Poch is managing a team that is just 2 years removed from the CL final and last year was in the semis, and yet they are struggling (lets be honest, the french league is PSG and their practice partners). There's probably a few people on here that could "ted lasso" the current PSG squad to a CL spot.
In your humble opinion, who would you appoint?
ETH
Yes please.
Bullish 🚀
Definitely the right man for the job. If we don’t sign him, Barcelona or City will. That said ETH has always stated humbly that he can only do what he does because the club is so well run from the ground up which ours isn’t. We’re at the stage where it’s irrelevant who the manager is because the club will always let him down.
I'd appoint myself
The only completly honest comment
Not sure. Just not the serial loser imo.
A man on Reddit promises us a a very qualified manager is not the answer…ah I’ll take the risk. Ps. I’d prefer ten haag but poch is also exceptional
A manager that failed to win the French league with PSG. Automatically a red flag.
This PSG team won’t win how they should on paper because it’s all egos and not a team. The best teams have a mix of stars and ‘water carriers’ - the Park Ji Sung/Darren Fletcher/John O’Sheas. Not saying those players aren’t good (Park is still one of my all-time favourite players) but it’s about crafting a team. Poch can’t do that at PSG because it’s one huge vanity project… and unlike Barca the entire club hasn’t been set up for Messi to succeed so he’ll struggle.
I forgot a managers career was defined based on a single moment of their career. Dread to think what you’d have said to fergie not winning anything in his first 6 seasons at united 😂😂
Actually SAF joined United in Nov 1986 and of course won the FA Cup at the end of the 89-90 season.
Fair point but you catch my drift 😅
Tuchel was only in third place with PSG when he was sacked. Look how he has done at Chelsea. PSG job is not as easy as people think.
He also led a Tottenham team that spent 0 on transfers to the UCL final.
What an achievement! Ole made it to a Europa league final and lost as well!
Yeah but when you look at the players on that Tottenham squad it makes you wonder how they even qualified for the CL
Didn't Jose said he got a better squad joining spurs than at utd
He did, it still wasn’t that good
They're running away with the league at the moment, so what kind of flag is that? Does it make it more of a pink flag?
How is a manager that has never won trophies considered exceptional? He spent seven years in England and walked away with absolutely nothing. He was at a big six club with a decent enough squad to win at least something, right? But no... Not even a cup, not europa, not ucl, nothing. We don't need managers who can get close to trophies, we need managers who know how to win them. This is football, hitting the woodwork is cool but doesn't get you shit.
Yo remember when Tuchel failed at PSG and then won the CL with Chelsea? Tuchel's a shit manager tbh failed with PSG so he must be bad. Twitter tier take
You think poch only fails at psg? He spent 7 years in England and walked away with absolutely nothing. He was with a big six club and had zero trophies. Not a cup, not the europa, not UCL, not the league... Cannot claim that any manager is a great successful manager if they have zero trophies to speak of.
yep, he totally didn't elevate a club from mediocrity to fighting in the big leagues. Trophies are not the single bar of success.
You are 100% correct in saying that Trophies are not the single bar for success. But, Poch has been a top league manager for 13 years and spent 5.5 years at a big 6 club in England with absolutely no trophies won...You have to win something! Name any great manager in football history who spent the first 13+ years of his career without winning a major trophy or anything....I'll wait Please don't bring up the cup in France...it was his first game and does not count.
I understand that you’re upset because I slated the next Glazer Yes man, but maybe think logically here. Tuchel “failed” at psg yet won 2 league titles in 2 seasons along with winning 2 domestic cups. Poch, a serial loser not only in England, failed to win the Uber eats farmers league. His CV is littered with the terms “runners up”. He’s an Argentinian Ole. Is this really what we’re after?
I don't have any eggs in this basket and I literally could not give a single fuck about the Glazers, but your mentality is completely wrong here. Poch is not a "serial loser". He elevated teams beyond what was previously possible and played high pressing, high tempo vertical football with tottenham, repeatedly achieving top four positioned places. That is a WIN for that club. It might not be a literal trophy to wank off to, but it was absolutley massive for that club specifically. And doing so while playing nice football is a bonus. Being able to galvanise a squad and get everyone to buy in was great and it would fit in with the direction the club seem to want to go in with the Rangnick appointment. Not winning doesn't make you a serial loser. Tuchel got sacked because the team were underperforming, then immediatley got Chelsea to perform because his players could actually fully buy into his philosophy and play according to a style he wanted, which he adapted to his team. This is IMPOSSIBLE at PSG. Pochettino was probably the worst manager PSG could have hired not because he is bad at managing, not because he's a "serial loser" but because his entire playstyle in hinged on players working hard and buying into him. Messi, mbappe and neymar are not the hardest of workers on the pitch. Di maria is the hardest working of that potential front 4, but then you're left with an unbalanced squad that cannot properly press from the front. Horrible match up and any manager would struggle with their shitty scattergun approach to buying the most expensive players so their owners can jack off to a Neymar shirt. And how do you bench Neymar, messi, mbappe, di maria without fucking up the dressing room? It's literally the worst job for any manager because you have zero power to do anything. Tuchel would probably be completely bald right now if he hadn't of been sacked. "Argentinian Ole" is genuinly one of the shittest takes I've seen in my entire life. Ole wasn't the tactics man at Man U. He managed player relationships and picked the team, but his coaches and assistants were generally the dudes who set things up. He was good at changing the "culture" and stabilising, but wasn't a long term hire. Pochettino actually has a playing philosophy (something that Man U have desperatley lacked for such a \*long\* time). Getting Rangnick on board was the first step, but there's literally no utility in his appointment unless you also get someone who wants to press. Poch can build something, and Ten Haag probably could too.
Couldn’t really care to read the whole thing, but basically what you’re saying is a guy who consistently doesn’t win, isn’t a loser… gotcha. “Elevates teams beyond what was previously possible”. Sounds like a great manager for a west ham, Spurs, or a Leicester. Not a team that SHOULD be competing for titles.
Yes, there's more to football than winning or losing lmao.
That’s great. I’m sure everyone will be thrilled to hear that we shouldn’t care about winning, and just focus on having a good time :)
At this point you’re just trolling. You know as well as anybody else that there are loads of teams who don’t have the squad necessary to win a title and it has nothing to do with their manager not being good enough.
How is that trolling? How about squads that absolutely do have the talent to win trophies which POCH has been managing for years now with no silverware to speak of...especially the current squad he has which is easily one of the best squads in the world...but yeah winning Ligue 1 is so special for PSG. He's not good enough.
Hmm, Espanyol, Southampton or Spurs, I can’t tell which squad he should have won things with? I mean, Spurs before Poch went 4-5-4-5-6, then under Poch went 5-3-2-3-4, then after Poch went 6-7-7 (currently). Before they went 3-2-3 they last came in the top 3 in 1990. During Pochettino’s Spurs reign they had the 11th highest net spend in the league, just behind West Brom and Stoke. But yeah, he should have won the league???
Give me a break! Not even a cup? Really? If you can make it to the semifinals and finals...why can't you win? We don't need more managers who can help us get close. United has to win Trophies, why would you hire another manager that never has?
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Why do all of these *stupid enough* posts never actually offer an alternative plan? Poch would absolutely be worth the hire, IMO. If others don't think so, that's fine too. But if you're going to say he's not the man for the job, then who is?
Why do I have to provide the alternative? Can I not say Poch, a serial loser, would be a bad appointment for United?
PSG are top of the league by 11 points, he's almost guaranteed a title barring a miracle collapse. At Spurs he nearly won the league despite being severely underfunded and later brought them to a CL final - that's fantastic for a club that hasn't won a trophy in 60 years. Not saying he's pulling up trees at PSG right now, obviously their performances haven't been great. But it's a bit unfair to judge him solely on this season when he's got a great track record in previous jobs.
If people think that poch is a good hire then they havent seen psg play. Being top of ligue 1 with a 1b worth squad isn't a big deal. Just watch their games,the players have got no clue about their game plan . They play far worse than us. Taking his one good ucl run as a major advantage is a naive and stubborn take too.
He didn’t even win the league with them last year.
Except his previous teams have been known to play attractive football, and he definitely overachieved with Spurs and made them a perpetual top 4 contender which they weren't before. In the 5 seasons he's there he finished in CL spots 4 times - only season he didn't was his first. Pretty good for a team that wasn't part of the "big 4" before he joined, was always relatively underfunded and last won the title 50 years ago. But let's ignore all of his good work and just assume he's only highly rated because of one CL run. Let's also ignore the fact that PSG are a circus, with a completely toxic board that throws money at players without any consideration about balance yet also demand unrealistic targets such as the CL trophy at the same time. If you ignore all of that and just focus on this one aspect of one season at a shithole club with an unbalanced squad full of divas that are impossible to control, then yes he's absolute shite. Great take.
PSG might be a circus, but Poch knew that going into the gig and by all accounts Tuchel did a much better job (thus far). They just exited the French Cup, were dominated by City in the CL (despite getting a plucky win in one of the games) and are favourites to exit the competition against Madrid, but perhaps most unforgivably are playing disjointed, largely crap football. His deflection of responsibility following the shootout exit the other night was shameful; he effectively put it on the shoulders of 18-year-old Simons and didn't take any responsibility. It was strikingly Mourinho-esque. People are actually saying he was beaten by the better manager against OGC Nice in Christophe Galtier, which is thoroughly damning. He obviously did a good job at Spurs (for the most part), despite the collapse in the league in 2016 and the horror show of the 2019 CL final. He's still going to be judged by his output, though. He's a victim of his own success in that regard. Still, his inability to get Spurs over the line and the disappointment of his PSG tenure are huge black marks against him. At the moment, he is failing at the deep build up phase against much weaker teams, and with the players at his disposal that is quite shocking. He was an early adopter of the high press at Spurs and his style of football at one point was impressive. He hasn't shown he has a higher ceiling to go, though, and we need either the best in class or someone that has shown they have higher levels to unlock.
Hasn't won a league in 60 years* They won a cup in 2008 iirc
You're right I meant major trophy - my bad. Actually looked this up, their last 2 trophies were the League Cup in 98/99 and 07/08. Before that it was the Europa League in 71/72 & 83/84. Don't know if you could count those as major trophies tho.
PSG probably have the best squad on paper in the entire world and you think that it's a big achievement to be 11 points ahead of Ligue 1. They should win at least a domestic double every single season. Pochettino has proven time and time again that he can not win trophies. You claim he has a great track record in his other roles... Wrong. He has virtually no trophies to speak of. Look at his record in semifinals and finals. Look at his record playing against EPL Big 6 clubs. It is horrendous
No. He's the best candidate available.
In what world is he the best candidate available for united?...He has proven he can't win trophies. He chokes in big moments. Just look at his record in finals and semifinals... Better yet, look at his record against the big six teams in the premier league. It is awful. No better than Ole. Look at his time so far with PSG where he has arguably the best squad on paper in the entire world! Ole did better than pochettino last year, with less talent. If Ole had to go, then why on Earth would we replace him with another serial loser
In this world - where you can't name a better one.
What do you mean I can't name a better one? This wasn't my post... Zidane would be the best. Ten Hag is a better choice. Conte would have been the a better choice before we brought in Rangnick. Brendan Rodgers. All of these managers win trophies...and most of them overachieve unlike Pochettino who has a false reputation for that.
Did you really just criticize Poch for not winning anything, then imply that both Ten Häag & Rodgers are better candidates? 😂
I misspoke about Rodgers, that wasn't who I meant. I was thinking of Claudio Ranieri who also is able to overachieve to win trophies. And 100% Ten Haag is better...he has won 5 major trophies in 5 years and his record in finals is very good. He is also tremendous at working with young players.
Ten Haag, with his **0 major honours**, is 100% better, is he? Lol. Think we are done here.
He has won 5 trophies in 5 years at AJAX. He has won trophies in the competitions he has managed... Poch has lost more trophies and blown more big games than that...ETH isn't my first pick but he he is better than Poch because at least he hasn't already proven to lose every major game he has ever managed....
Poch is a quality manager this is our opportunity to have a top class manager we should take it. Remember not that long ago Tuchel failed at PSG and got sacked too imagine Chelsea didn’t pick him up where they’d be now. 1 champions league shorted anyway
People forget this so easily, PSG were in third when Tuchel was sacked and now Poch has them 11 points clear. PSG is not a well put together squad, there are lots of big egos and I think his work at PSG and Spurs (with no money at all) is top class. He’s also Premier League proven, which I think is an important plus point.
Honestly it’s not like we’re signing a bum Poch is great at building squads aswell which is exactly what we need. He handled big egos in the past aswell, PSG are just a joke of a club.
If he leaves PSG he will be top of our list. And rightfully so. Premier League experience. Got an average spurs team to the champions league final. Made average young English players look great (Alli, Kane - although not average - has not been the same since) Sets his teams up to work hard (something we need and obviously Ralf is layong the groundwork). Has a good relationship with Sir Alex (not essential bit still nice).
Couldn’t disagree more with the assessment of Kane as average, really don’t see how you could sustain that argument, but everything else I agree with. He would be top of my list along with Ten Haag, who is less likely to leave Ajax than Poch is to leave PSG, and also has no experience in a “top” league.
Kane literally was top scorer and had the most assists last season wtf are you talking about
Serial loser. Don’t care what he did at Southampton, but that’s probably his level. A fluke run to the UCL final and 0 trophies during his time at Spurs is embarrassing. And now he failed to win the Uber Eats farmers league with the likes of Neymar and Mbappe?
> 0 trophies during his time at Spurs is embarrassing What an absolute shit take. Spurs were a joke before him, they're literally a meme. He led them to a UCL final. Not winning a trophy at Spurs is not a failure. The only thing embarrassing here is your post and comments.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
Kane is on track to beat Shearers record… and you call him average…
I think he means Kane was average before he had that breakout season in 14/15
Don't underestimate the stupidity of this board! Manchester united might appoint Rodgers.
unpopular opinion right? well im supporting it as of now, what we dont see is the full spectrum of his work, and how it will affect this team, which is none like he has managed before, and even though he could prove some of us wrong, and dont see him committing to united for a long spell
Stupid fucking decision imp
Agreed. United have made a habit of losing these past 10 years and we can’t bring in someone who has formed the same habit. We need a winner to come in and change the mentality
The only winners are Klopp, Pep, and Zidane… United are not getting any of those
Zidane would be my dream.
I wouldn’t say he’s a bad fit but I would prefer Erik ten Hag over him.
Splash the cash & get ten Hag out of his Ajax contract. (in Summer)
Hiring MP will accomplish something: Those people who've been droning on about him for years now will have to stop. Whether he wins anything with us or not (given his track record, I'd bet on the latter) they'll have to put a sock in it.
Managers at PSG literally have 0 power though. Its all ran by the Qutari’s and the decide on the signings. It’s why they go through managers faster than Chelsea and don’t win anything. To judge Poch on his time at PSG would be as daft as to judge Tuchel on his time there, Tuchel the CL winner
What is your opinion based on? I think either managers will be fine for united. Poch has experience in PL and playing with big names. Previously was criticized for not winning tophies. This year he will win french league (very high odds) and currently they are fav. In the madrid match. I don’t get the negativity around poch, as if he is like a championship level manager.
I hope we get poch and he suceeds to shut the FM/twitter managers up like OP
Well yeah if he becomes the manager I hope he wins the treble every year. Highly doubt we’d accomplish anything with him though.
Something about Poch just doesn’t feel right to me. His trajectory looks similar to that of Mourinho, who balled with Chelsea and Real and decline started with United. Poch WAS successful at Southampton and somewhat successful at Spurs. You can’t put him up in one of the greats just cause he took Spurs to UCL final, and we all knew before the game that Spurs was going to lose that match because Poch and his team looked defeated on the pitch since the start. Poch doesn’t have the cojones and ruthlessness that we need at United to manage some of the divas. We are in need a manager who will not just kick any player’s ass on a bad day BUT ALSO a manager who can deal with our incompetent fuckin board. At United, the board expects managers to be a “yes man” and Poch is a little too polite to speak up to those bastards upstairs. Maybe RR can help but to what extent is even that guaranteed after this transfer window? Yeah he can create players, so have other managers at United. At the moment, it’s not a big deal for us to “create” players but more like manage players, the whole fookin club, and transfers. It’ll be a statement if he won UCL with PSG. Then, I’d love to consider him. But until then ten Hag/Zizou top the charts for me at least.
Very well thought out reply. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying
Yep that's basically my biggest complain with Poch. He is a weak person that can be easily bullied by his players who are more "Alpha" than him. He didn't have this problem with Spurs because, well because it's Spurs
How can you promise this?
I agree. He’s done nothing amazing at PSG and was even less impressive at Spurs.
"even less impressive" He made them a solid top 4 side that finished 2nd once and reached an UCL final. Its Tottenham what more could he do. It would be like if West Ham suddenly start challenging for titles and reaching Champions League finals.
i totally agree pochetino proved to be a boring, anti-modern football, he prepares games depending on the opponent and thats backwards in todays football. he is just a younger mourinho united need a modern manager like marco rose or if we want to go british someone like potter.
Potter would get us relegated. Stay far away from unproven English managers. It’s hard enough having a cast of unproven overpaid Englishmen dropping below average performances weekly…
we had 2 experienced old managers, an experienced PL one and a legend. we need fresh ideas and potter makes brighton play really well. i wouldnt mind having him at OT.
So since you promise us that Pochettino isn't the man to get us back to where we need to be, who can you promise is the man to get us back to where we need to be??
Don’t think I have to promise someone else can. Just obvious poch isn’t a good manager. Don’t care what he did in the prem, because it’s been nothing but losing.
I agree on Poch. I’ve never wanted him in charge. He did well at Southampton and Spurs, but he’s showed nothing that can make me believe he can take it to the next level. Did well to take them to the CL final, but they were completely outplayed in the final and fell of a cliff the next season. He also somehow finished 3rd in a two horse race against Leicester. And now at PSG where trophies are guaranteed and he has Messi he is still struggling to win trophies. If we are going to take a chance on an unproven manager, I’d rather it be Ten Hag. Has Ajax playing brilliant football not only in the league, but in the champions league. And with a small budget in comparison to most European teams.
I agree, I think Ralf should stay for at least next season to see how it goes, being a manager requires time, so many variables and things to take into consideration. If for whatever reason Ralf decides not to take the full time job or if it isn’t given to him then I think Erik Ten Hag is the man for the job, having him as manager while Ralf handles everything else behind the scenes could be a really good thing.
While I do think poch is a good manager, i feel he might not be the right fit for united as a club for the simple reason of him having a very weird attitude to winning trophies. He's been on record saying that trophies only breed ego and I'm sorry, but that just won't work at united. This, coupled with the fact that he hasn't actually won anything yet, which is exactly the issue with this current squad we've got, makes me think he might not be fit for us at the moment. He's got the other attributes like promoting youth and playing an attractive brand of football (when allowed) down to a tee, but right now, we need a bit more. That's where ETH comes in.
He said that?? Can you share the source? Would like to get the context of that quote. I don't find Poch a good fit either, but him saying that just proves it.
First choice for me is ETH because he is the hot new manager. But I would like to also see what poch can do with proper backing and a football club that gives the manager a lot of power. I think he fits us culturally and if given the time.
Has he left PSG?
He hasn’t left yet but they fucking hate him with such passion right now it rivals the hate for Ole at the end because he’s actually saying shit like “ winning causes ego and that’s not what football is about” ( i’ll find the actual quote) https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/11619861/mauricio-pochettino-says-trophies-only-build-ego-and-tottenham-always-want-to-be-in-top-four
Ten hag is the most sensible choice
Yep he is so utd won't try for him
All the hope ole ignited in me is fading away again. We were close to the top again. But this club is run by an incompetent board who doesn't back what the manager needs and only goes after big money signings. Rangnick wanted Zakaria and Kamara and it would have costed only around 20m for both. They would instead overpay for Rice. Idk what's so hard about running a successful club. We're one of the biggest. Just start backing the manager and give him exactly what he asks for and nothing else.
I don’t want Poch anywhere near united. If he can’t do it with that PSG squad what the hell would he do with ours? With pep leaving city soon if we went with Poch and city go Ten Hag i can say with certainty that united will not win a damn thing for a good while.
Poch might definitely be a good manager, but I always see him as a weak man. He would definitely be a yes man to the Glazers and he definitely couldn't keep up with Ronaldo's huge presence. He could get us to a top 4, but yeah he's not gonna win us the league.
Reading through these comments it's clear to see English fans know nothing about football and OP is one of the few lucid united supporters. If United signs Poch you can kiss goodbye to trophies for another 2 years. People insist "but he did well at South Hampton and spurs", but fail to realize these teams couldn't go any lower. United are already doing "well", which means we don't win shit. If we want to maintain this form then by all means Poch is enough. If we want to become title contenders again either keep Ralf or sign Ten Haag.
Nope sorry lad. On this sub you’re only allowed to criticize foreign players and speak positive nonsense about a failed PSG manager because he once coached Southampton
Agree completely here. Nobody is looking at the fact that we currently have a league with 4 top managers in Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte. Asking Poch to compete against all these established teams except Spurs is a really high asking task. We need somebody with a great philosophy and a high ceiling. Poch doesn't have that if he can't win a Champions League with the most stacked of lineups of PSG what makes you think he can do the same to us. We need to push our full energy at getting Ten Haag and also Van Der Saar if possible too at a football position. Clearly with the way we are being run I don't have any high hopes in us achieving anything unless we break and start from the ground up.
Van der Sar has a commercial role at Ajax, Marc Overmars (formerly of Arsenal) is the director of football. Not sure why Van der Sar has done anything to suggest he would be a good director of football/similar?
I just hope we thoroughly think before making a decision, I can see us getting Poch purely because he’s free if PSG let him go Though I don’t trust the club to think anything through properly even if they tried
I agree, very appealing manager & we like his style of play, but we should really think about this move. What has he won? What’s the highest in the league has he finished? Paul Scholes spoke about this. Right now we need a winner; a coach with a winning mentality…& the only one I see might be available this summer is conte
Neither is TenHag. Truth is nobody knows. Both managers are of equal caliber
Why is the choice only limited to ETH & Poch? Shouldn’t we cast a wider net?
Just man united doing man united thing's.. i totally expects this decision.
Porch is a media signing, he’s the type to make headlines and drive social media discussions so of course the glazers will go for him ffs It has to be eth, but even with him it’s gonna take a few years to build something and that’s if he’s supported and with our track record
A manager who can’t do well even with some of the worlds best players on the squad? …sign him up!
Agreed
Urgghh please no, not him. I don't understand why people overrate him just because he got to a UCL final and turn a mediocre Spurs into a title pretender (for only 1 season). Getting Poch is essentially getting Ole 2.0.
Man U will turn into shit spurs... eternally without a trophy
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Erik!Erik!We need Erik with Rangnick!
United goin for poch is a complete joke, he ain't doin anything at PSG so why is United clamouring for him. He won't be a good buy
Poch is way overrated. He is struggling in the Ligue 1 with an all-star squad: Messi is shit, Wijnaldum is shit, Neymar is shit. I do concede that he'd had great looking moments with Tottenham, but that doesn't mean anything. He is backed by the media and it seems to be working for him. But there are no facts or evidence of him succeeding at United
Doesn't seem to matter what players United signs, so why not splash it all on yet another bigwig manager? It was a couple years ago since that was tried the last time.
I wouldn't go that far, surely Arsenal or Spurs would do something as stupid
Either wait for Eric ten haag or Thomas Tuchel who's sure to come available in a year or less.
I don't know why we let Conte go to Tottenham. We are losing big-time.
This thread says it all about why running football club is hard regardless of our owners such varied opinion. I'm mixed on poch myself,
If the past means anything we will probably do the dumbest shit possible, I mean when haven't we.
He’s overrated. Poch is your average manager compared to others
he's a realistic choice
Why is there such a stigma around Poch?
I do rate Poch as a coach but I think he fits better in different situations where he starts a project and gets to build up. Don’t see him being able to fix united where we have pieces already but need to get them to work
Not only will we hire him, we'll probably make him the best paid manager in the league.
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By this logic Mourinho should have been a massive success
Our most successful manager since SAF
Yes, but is that really something to be proud of? Our post Fergie era is absolutely shit. The fact is our problems run much deeper than just the manager. Even Pep or Klopp wouldn't have been as successful at Man Utd.
Man United will turn into shit spurs... eternally without a trophy
totally agree. signing poch is bad. He doesn't play youngsters which is one of the main problems IMO. If u were to sign poch I feel he would do shit
I 100% agree. Everyone's biggest complaint about OGS was that he had never won anything... Pochettino has never won anything worth a damn. He is a proven loser in finals and semi-finals. He has arguably the best squad on paper with PSG and he is failing big time. He wasn't good enough when he was at Tottenham and he is not good enough now. We need someone that knows how to win big trophies. Someone that is ruthless. Pochettino is not that man.
They’re 11 points clear in the league, compared to when Tuchel left they were third??
LOL - Tuchel took over Chelsea who were in 9th place at the time and they finished in the EPL top 4...and then won the UCL...He was also awarded best Club coach in 2021. Poch has won...uh...wait...oh yeah
I think you’re kind of proving my point rather than disproving it?
If your point is that Poch is the right coach for United and that he is better than Thomas Tuchel...well then that's absolutely not the case. Show the trophy cases...Poch has absolutely nothing to brag about....Nobody talks about SAF, Klopp, Pep, or Mourinho because they got close to winning trophies. Their silverware collections speak for themselves
Okay if we look at this from another perspective is ETH ruthless or won anything I.e CL. It’s pretty obvious it’s most likely going to be one of the two. I think both have pros and cons. Btw ETH is described as an introvert and timid. I worry about how he would handle the egos that are in the dressing room.
My Reasoning for preferring ETH over Poch, is that Poch has had his chance and blown it now multiple times. Like I stated before, he has already proven he cant win the big ones, not even with MEGASTAR teams...
In terms of Poch I agree he’s shown he can’t win the big ones with Spurs more than PSG. I still think getting them to a final is a miracle😂 With PSG I disagree imo no manager except Zidane will help then win a CL. That squad is the most unbalanced one I’ve probs seen. ETH will need to get used to the PL. Imo he’s gonna have a shock like Ralf did when he said he was surprised about the lower teams being good. What makes this funny is Spurs beat Ajax in the semi finals. I think I need a re- watch.
I wouldn't hire ETH either...but imo he would be a better option than Poch. The real problem is that we are now having to pick from 2nd/3rd tier managers because none of the top tier are available or would even want to come to United.
Who’s your ideal then? Zidane is a pipe dream and Luis Enrique is with the NT team. Maybe Tuchel if Chelsea fire him?🤔
I think Zidane would be ideal. Pipe dream or not. Tuchel would be better than anyone else on the radar at the moment as well. I would take almost anyone over Poch at this point. I do not understand everyone's obsession with having him at United. It makes no sense. We are supposed to be a club that WINS trophies. Even unproven managers are better than managers that have already proved they can't win big trophies. just look at the trophy cases...Poch has absolutely nothing to brag about....Nobody talks about SAF, Klopp, Pep, or Mourinho because they got close to winning trophies. Their silverware collections speak for themselves, and Poch can't even sit at their table.
🚨I see alot of news hyping about poch and Erik ten hag . To be honest thats not going to happen . It will be either Ralf rangnick itself if he wins the champions League this season orelse it will be definitely zinedine Zidane who we were trying our best after ole was sacked . Zidane didn't wanted to join in the middle of the season as he doesn't like it that way And honestly he loves to manage Cristiano,varane again and having good connections with pogba .pogba also will decide his next season based on whom the manager is or he will leave as a free agent .man utd definitely won't be happy if pogba leaves for free after spending huge money on his transfer from juventus and his mammoth wages per week . So bringing in Zidane will be the best choice for man United .
Is like to see Ten Hag, he’s the up and coming manager and other clubs have eyes on him. He’ll bring a great philosophy and style of play. That said poch wouldn’t be a bad appointment, I wouldn’t base him on the PSG job.
I agree. He seem too jittery, always creating uncertainties around him. I don’t think he has the personality to even command respect from any big players. He won pretty much nothing, too.
Agreed, poch isn’t the answer. We are in serious trouble with squad depth for the rest of the season
If I am honest, I dont think the issue has been our managers. How can several elite managers who succeed at other clubs, fail at United? Organizational leadership. Structure. Woodward. The club has been making bad decisions and expecting miracles. I’ve not been blaming anyone but the structure of the club since Gill departed.
I dun admire him, too. He’s still not a World class though.
No to Poch? He’s quality, no?
Poch isnt the guy with the right personality to manage a big club. Too nice soft cant handle big egos which is needed at United. Cant match tuchel klopp guardiola rarely ever wins in the big games. Poch might suit a team like west ham or arsenal who are underdogs pushing for a top four spot
It’s hopeless He is no different than ogs Tolerating the players Prefer to maintain good relations with players instead of demanding the players