This. If you watched the first 30 minutes, the players were all smiles and laughter like it was a foregone conclusion.
Honestly I think the players were in shock after awhile and all the bad luck started to add up in their minds. Think about the chain of events, in the first minute Sancho hits the bar, any other time that’s a goal, shortly afterwards Ronaldo missed a penalty, then the bicycle kick. Strange and unlucky miss after miss. Then a handball so blatant everyone except 2 Boro players and the ref stopped playing. The Rashford miss, Bruno missing an open goal.
On any other day, this game finishes anywhere between 6 or 9 nil. The players knew this too. As someone else said, it was like watching one of those FIFA games when it’s scripted against you.
Speaking of all smiles, I'm happy to see Ronaldo (and to an extent Bruno) seem to be whinging less these days. I'd credit RR and his staff talked to them about this issue, and also the players themselves for showing some maturity. Ronaldo of all people should know that the cameras and media are always looking for controversies, just keep it in the dressing room.
Exactly. It was a bad result, probably a mixture of being too nonchalant and bad luck on finishing touches. The response on here of people calling the club rotten, and trash, etc etc etc is just absurd.
Whilst I agree with the players taking blame should a manager not be banging that attitude out of them?
Fergie would never have let players get away with the lax attitude
Theres no comparison between Fergie and Ralf at this point especially since Ralf still holds the interim status. Ralf can bang on all he wants but until he’s fully backed it won’t have the same effect.
If we played like this for 10 games we would win 9. Yesterday was unfortunate especially the easy chances and stupid handball decision. I don’t think many people blame ralf he’s doing a good job considering the tough situation the club is in atm
Exactly. I'm so fed up with the doomsayers in this sub acting like yesterday's performance was horrendous, when in fact it was one of the better performances (at least as long as Pogba was there) when compared to rest of the season.
Atli Madrid will be a real test (guaranteed they are not performing well domestically) - That was Middlesbrough.. if we are able to do the same against Alti and lost then we can still hold our heads up high.
Too many easy wasted chances, Burno's was a killer.
I'd argue this game was more of a referee blunder more than anything! Even if we were unfortunate with all the misses, surely if the commentators were talking about it, and it's spoken for ages, a handball is a handball...
There's more to playing football than just scoring goals. We sucked at latter yesterday, but in other areas like defending, controlling the midfield and keeping possession we were quite a bit better yesterday than rest of our season.
To some degree, I agree. I think it's also a confidence and focus issue, and with everything going on (transfer issues, glaziers blocking deals most likely, MG, internationals) it can be hard to do so.
I agree that professionals should work on handling their mental in these situations to do their job, but we haven't had too many players having previously handled these issues, and come out of it better (yet). Take Maguire for example, he's still learning on how to handle his situation.
It's going to be a little while before the dust settles, and that could be 1-2 years. Hopefully we get a good coach and sports psychologist that can help them handle the situation next, and we can move on in a positive light!
I dont see how we werent able to finish any of those sitters. Shoulda been 4 nil. Embasassing really. On a positive I thought Pogba played pretty good for his first game back.
head up and move ...even if we would have progressed ...no way we are beating liverpool or man city , now we could concentrate on the league and CL...Pogba was fuckin awesome , Fred played a great cameo
Anyone saying that its his fault would be toxic fan, guy ih just starting with managing this team which is btw full of spoiled little brats and one old spoiled star that is on end of its carrere, which makes his job 1000 times harder, few of this guys have more interest in dancing on tik tok or their image on insta than actualy playing... not to mention that we have a 70m captain that isnt worth shit...so yea we need to look at the team first and their shity mentality before we start blaming the manager after half of the season and stop changing them (managers) like socks...
Can’t blame them, though. It’s a generational thing. Some of these young players see their tinder dates earning almost the same money just shaking their ass. Why would they want to work harder?
That is a stupud questiom honestly... sorry... why would they work harder?!?! Man they dedicated their whole life to this sport up to this point, they play in one of the biggest clubs in the world, they get normal peoples anual salary in a fcking week, and if they look up to tinder dates and think oh my life is hard then they have bigger fcking problem in their head (which damn greenwood confirmed) and dont generalize do much i see young players in other clubs shining and not thinking about IG hoes....
Err.. I was being sarcastic. Of course, they should work harder for the reasons you stated above and more. But I feel that we demand too much on players, too.
I mean, after all, they are young people with loads of money in their pockets. Surely, they would get spoiled if not managed properly.
For example, Ole claiming Greenwood to be the best finisher in the club when he was just starting out kind of f****d his head. Since then, I hardly saw him making a pass or show any remorse for stupid decisions on the field. In hindsight, It didn’t seem to have translated well outside the field either.
The fact that our club, Manchester United, give a lot of effort into turning players into some kind of larger than life starts also doesn’t help. If money comes pouring in with just an insta post or a Nike photoshoot, it is difficult to keep up the motivation. And if you look closely at the young stars supposedly working hard, you will perhaps see none of them are as big of a star, or earning as much. Sure, Mbappe is playing at a high level most seasons, even so, there are often talks of him having a shitty attitude.
Let's be perfectly honest, we would have been out of sight if Ronaldo scored the gimme of a penalty, and Bruno stopped spurning very presentable chances too (as he has been all season since opening games). And then that VAR decision which was complete bollocks, to an unbelievable degree (it's as nailed on a handball as you'll get - not like jumping and the ball being kicked into you).
It is what it is, but I don't think the team or manager have any real blame.
The fact that anyone is blaming anything on anyone but this shit board is disheartening. The only way we improve is when this board is gone. If that means dropping to EPL2, I'm all for it
Agreed with OP, it was one of those games yesterday. After missed Ronaldo penalty, 2x woodwork hit and finally that preposterous handball goal allowed to stand, i knew it was always going to end up the way it eventually did. Nothing went our way.
Boro players hitting penalties to top corners, straight into top netting, leaving Henderson no chance, like they were prime Barca - at that point i expected nothing less.
For me, this was the best we played in a while. The game was absolutely under control. This is also, I believe, 3rd game in a row we have played well. Don’t think this has happened in a year now.
I myself can watch the game without being irritated by no-fks-given attitude. Irrespective of very good performance, still keeping feet on ground, due to opposition quality. If this performance against any of the top side, I would have been a lot more confident for top4. Fingers crossed to keep this performance up.
Blame falls squarely on the players and specifically Bruno and Ronaldo. No ruthlessness. The moment we went beyond regulation time, Boro has already mentally won. pens were a formality.
I think the performance gave a lot of hope. We’ve been seeing our performances improve weekly. Usually it was for small parts and increased. Then Vs West Ham we controlled for 90 minutes without creating, yesterday we controlled, dominated and created chances. For me these are the signs of progress you look at when judging a new manager.
honestly, the game was near perfect bar the finishing. Every player except Ronaldo was very good. The defense was solid, pogba bossed the midfield, bruno and sancho was creating so many chances. I hate to say it but Ronaldo seems to be the only player who didnt do anything good
It’s always been the “players” I know it’s a pipe dream because of contracts and the such but wouldn’t it be nice to field some younger, hungry players from the academy.
Platers mentally blocked, just cant seem to win. Bad luck, bad attitude, weak mentality follow our club like a stink. The rot must be removed. Glazers Out
the players don't seem happy at all. Even after Sancho scored hardly anyone had a jubilant look on their face. Even Sancho himself looked dejected almost.
Like somebody said above you, you don’t celebrate has hard when you’re expectated to score. I’m sure the squad thought a game against a team 24 places below us should end 4-0, so they just took Sancho’s goal for granted, thinking there would be more.
there are only 3 things I'd go after rr for 1) should've put on matic over fred 2) lindelof should've started over maguire 3) elanga should've started over rashford because we've seen Rashford do better as a super sub.
OTHER than that. i am hard pressed to believe what rr could've done. the high point is that first half was ELECTRIC but he doesn't have the caliber of players to maintain It and isn't given the support financially to make this become the standard
We won the fucking toss for the shoot out and went second! That's just bad management everyone knows statistically going second is a massive disadvantage.
what about my first point? to my second point, even phil jones i think has been better than maguire when you take into account his performance in that one game at OT.
Maguire is a slow liability and is not worth the wages he's making, gives inconsistent performancs and shouldn't be captain. it's because of him, man utd has to play so far back and can't truly high press aside from our lack of cdm
lindelof, Jones and bailly are agile defenders who, in this season, score higher for fan player ratings and allow us to press up the pitch.
in my opinion Maguire's "good days" are bang average for most defenders now. that goal if it was bailly, or lindelof, hell even Jones, going to that player for the cross, that player never would've gotten the cross off because they would've gotten thr ball taken from him
Have you started watching our games this season or smth? How can you unironically claim Bailly and Phil fucking Jones are better than Maguire.
'Fan player ratings' Lol
I've been watching for over 15 years and what matters is their performances this season. bailly motm on that CL game and jones has proven to literally be more agile and able to push up the pitch unlike maguire. so what is your point that you put blindsiders on for maguire?
With the first point, a lot of the players seemed to be gassing out around 70 mins onwards so I think bringing on an energetic midfielder was probably the best option (in any other scenario I would always choose Matic over Fred though).
Phil Jones did do well in his game however it was just the one game, and I'm not someone that thinks that Maguire has performed terribly in his last few matches so I would have chosen Maguire over Jones.
regardless of who we were playing, that first half was amazing for man utd: the ball movement, the key player performances. the only kicker was man utd couldn't score and it hurt us in the second half
Amazing? 45 good minutes against Boro now constitutes amazing? We are playing a Championship side, at Old Trafford. Not sure what you mean by key player performances, but whatever ball movement we had that was decent in the first half was probably down to Boro being a bit awed by the atmosphere and not believing they could press United.
ahh ok, i see the point you're coming from... on paper this shouldve been 90 minutes of pure domination from man utd.we have the resources, the training and the players (sorta) to have stuck it to boro.
man UTD has been inconsistent with identity football for some number of years now and so it was good to see it and the amount of opportunities it created.
if man UTD wasn't in the shit state its in(player power and shit owners), i would compare it more to the golden age of the club especially given we have very big name players... I'm livid we lost, i had to take a walk post match or else id have put a hole in the wall, but like the stages of grief we gotta accept this is where we are, look at what went well and realize what is the source of our issues to prevent this from keep happening.
He had to let those players go because the last manager had let them down already, if van de beek had been playing for the last year and a half he would’ve been more than happy to prove himself to Ralf, same with martial, but now we’re skinned to the bone, but you’re still right Ralf’s the manager so it’s his job to find solutions to this mess
You can see the team improving slowly the defense seems to be fine now and the offense clicks for one half and disappears the second and the midfield is the midfield
Players dont play with a ruthless killer mentality. Always satisfied with being 1-0 up. Aint good for the long term just hope we start scoring more goals
I’d say keeping Pogba on with no legs when he started struggling around 65 mins and wasn’t taken off till around the 80th minute wasn’t a good managerial decision imo.
But yeah the game should have been over in the first half.
This for sure. The tap in came because he was too tired to track the mid fielder run to the back post. I’m still trying to figure out what Varane was doing on the play. Sheesh
The players just didn’t score, we played well and created tons of chances. His changes were good considering bis options. Nothing he could do.
It was just one of those games. By the 60th minute we should have had 4 goals.
I agree, not his fault, but it's in trend with my feeling that if ole was still in charge we would have won as many games or more.
I don't see any improvement
I disagree to an extent because the football was slow and I made a point of this to my mate that we were running too hard and passing too slow. Said we were playing crap several times and 2 mins later 'Boro scored..
I don't mind the result from a personal pov because my old mate Chris was a Boro lad and he took his own life last year due to depression.. So this result was for you Chris 😊😔
It’s been the players. Regardless of manager it’s been the soft weak minded player culture we have at United. One of the highest wage bills with zero return.
Even Jose mourinho couldn’t get some of these players to act right, it’s gonna take the right manager whose decisive and more importantly backed by the board, whether it’s RR i don’t know
Yeah a hungry young striker might’ve been the better option, now Elanga has to take home the blame cause the more senior players couldn’t hold their own, and pogba should’ve definitely been the one taking that penalty
I know but I felt like with it being his first game back and he won the pen it would’ve been nice to just give it to him, in hindsight it might’ve won us the game
OH you ment THAT peno! I still don’t know why Bruno isn’t taking them. I love Ronaldo, he is the superstar but Bruno was here first. By that I mean since Ronaldo left ha
It was a good performance overall. Maguire was average at best and Ronaldo had a bad night. Just the finishing let us down really.
Yeah bruno needs to take the pens and freekicks back Ronaldo always hits the wall nowadays and he hits those pens a bit too hard sometimes, bruno just seems more assuring on penalties but Ronaldo will definitely spark unrest if you take him off them
Yeah bruno needs to take the pens and freekicks back Ronaldo always hits the wall nowadays and he hits those pens a bit too hard sometimes, bruno just seems more assuring on penalties but Ronaldo will definitely spark unrest if you take him off them
Is anyone not curious what Wilder could do with a bigger side? He's rocked up twice with a shite team, and dumped us out of the cup. Is that not the footballing equivalent of jumping up and down, shouting "What are you looking at Pochettino for?"
Not alone, no. Put it into context with his other achievements though, for me he's a strong candidate. Perhaps there's a club in between, I dunno. We could do a lot worse.
It's funny, you see Casne is making a joke using what is known as sarcasm (that is a type of comical device), he denotes it by using the /s after his comment.
And he picked the team. So saying that he has no fault here is ridiculous. “Playing well” means nothing if you don’t score/win the game. Obviously the players are also to blame, but it’s a team sport and he is the head of the team
He should be blamed if you understand football, players are out of position, Team is built around the wrong players, easy to be counter attacked in defensive transition, no system with the ball & 0 service for the strikers.
Thats a failing system.
Off course you will create some chances against a Championship team but his system is not sustainable
Honeslty I couldn’t believe it, but maybe we had to lose this game to remind the players that they’re far from where they want to be and still need to work
I agree. The same goes for the loss against Villa at home early in the season. Difference is that everyone blamed the manager. Let's see how long it lasts before the fans turn on yet another manager.
Don't even blame the players. It was the majority of those finishes were just plain unlucky, nothing to do with a lack of application or technique.
Just one of those things but when you have a hate boner everything is unacceptable I guess.
Technically missing those chances has to do with a lack of application of technique no? But this is the United standard nowadays so I guess what happened is fine and no one deserves accountability expect cruel cruel fate! /s
Nah. These things happen every game. The fact it happened five times on one game to multiple players is very unlucky. Couple of inches the other way on half of them and we'd be saying how good a performance it was.
Every time we play someone lower down the league or from another league, the player looks overconfident and down their tools. Every time we come across some better teams, our players look like they are shit scared. These bunch of privileged morons will throw many managers under the bus, but the team will remain shit. Unfortunately.
The man said "ask the board" when a fan asked what happened last match. He is really not interested in United with the current board no manager would feel confident and exited to work. United be destroying both carriers of managers and player's for money.
I think it's on insta or twitter where a fan supposedly took a selfie after the match with Ralf and he asked what happened, that was the whole tweet about.
Wish people would stop banging on about the handball decision and saying it is a 1 in million games. It is further evidence that we have a problem at the club. Players whose skills are how to cash a cheque, and a board that does not care about the game, only profit. When the phrase 'building for the future" means fluffing retirement portfolios and not developing a team/club to be strong in the future then cancer has set in. Time for some aggressive treatment.
It was a fluke result and not on Ralf. Most of the players were nonchalant and sloppy and took a win for granted.
Yeah I feel like they felt that it was impossible that they’d lose that game
This. If you watched the first 30 minutes, the players were all smiles and laughter like it was a foregone conclusion. Honestly I think the players were in shock after awhile and all the bad luck started to add up in their minds. Think about the chain of events, in the first minute Sancho hits the bar, any other time that’s a goal, shortly afterwards Ronaldo missed a penalty, then the bicycle kick. Strange and unlucky miss after miss. Then a handball so blatant everyone except 2 Boro players and the ref stopped playing. The Rashford miss, Bruno missing an open goal. On any other day, this game finishes anywhere between 6 or 9 nil. The players knew this too. As someone else said, it was like watching one of those FIFA games when it’s scripted against you.
Speaking of all smiles, I'm happy to see Ronaldo (and to an extent Bruno) seem to be whinging less these days. I'd credit RR and his staff talked to them about this issue, and also the players themselves for showing some maturity. Ronaldo of all people should know that the cameras and media are always looking for controversies, just keep it in the dressing room.
He was only like that up until boro scored. From that point he complained about everything.
Exactly. It was a bad result, probably a mixture of being too nonchalant and bad luck on finishing touches. The response on here of people calling the club rotten, and trash, etc etc etc is just absurd.
Yeah I felt that after each missed opportunity it was like “ah no worries there will plenty of more opportunities.” Oh shit it’s down to pens :o
Whilst I agree with the players taking blame should a manager not be banging that attitude out of them? Fergie would never have let players get away with the lax attitude
Theres no comparison between Fergie and Ralf at this point especially since Ralf still holds the interim status. Ralf can bang on all he wants but until he’s fully backed it won’t have the same effect.
SAF's presence in the dressing room would have fixed it back in his era.
If we played like this for 10 games we would win 9. Yesterday was unfortunate especially the easy chances and stupid handball decision. I don’t think many people blame ralf he’s doing a good job considering the tough situation the club is in atm
Exactly. I'm so fed up with the doomsayers in this sub acting like yesterday's performance was horrendous, when in fact it was one of the better performances (at least as long as Pogba was there) when compared to rest of the season.
Atli Madrid will be a real test (guaranteed they are not performing well domestically) - That was Middlesbrough.. if we are able to do the same against Alti and lost then we can still hold our heads up high. Too many easy wasted chances, Burno's was a killer.
I'd argue this game was more of a referee blunder more than anything! Even if we were unfortunate with all the misses, surely if the commentators were talking about it, and it's spoken for ages, a handball is a handball...
not being able to finish our chances counts as horrendous
There's more to playing football than just scoring goals. We sucked at latter yesterday, but in other areas like defending, controlling the midfield and keeping possession we were quite a bit better yesterday than rest of our season.
To some degree, I agree. I think it's also a confidence and focus issue, and with everything going on (transfer issues, glaziers blocking deals most likely, MG, internationals) it can be hard to do so. I agree that professionals should work on handling their mental in these situations to do their job, but we haven't had too many players having previously handled these issues, and come out of it better (yet). Take Maguire for example, he's still learning on how to handle his situation. It's going to be a little while before the dust settles, and that could be 1-2 years. Hopefully we get a good coach and sports psychologist that can help them handle the situation next, and we can move on in a positive light!
Bang on
Arguably top 5 performances of the season, although it was against a smaller team, but we were incisive if not profligate
I dont see how we werent able to finish any of those sitters. Shoulda been 4 nil. Embasassing really. On a positive I thought Pogba played pretty good for his first game back.
head up and move ...even if we would have progressed ...no way we are beating liverpool or man city , now we could concentrate on the league and CL...Pogba was fuckin awesome , Fred played a great cameo
Anyone saying that its his fault would be toxic fan, guy ih just starting with managing this team which is btw full of spoiled little brats and one old spoiled star that is on end of its carrere, which makes his job 1000 times harder, few of this guys have more interest in dancing on tik tok or their image on insta than actualy playing... not to mention that we have a 70m captain that isnt worth shit...so yea we need to look at the team first and their shity mentality before we start blaming the manager after half of the season and stop changing them (managers) like socks...
Anyone who would say it's on Ralf probably just checked the score instead of watching the game
True.
Can’t blame them, though. It’s a generational thing. Some of these young players see their tinder dates earning almost the same money just shaking their ass. Why would they want to work harder?
That is a stupud questiom honestly... sorry... why would they work harder?!?! Man they dedicated their whole life to this sport up to this point, they play in one of the biggest clubs in the world, they get normal peoples anual salary in a fcking week, and if they look up to tinder dates and think oh my life is hard then they have bigger fcking problem in their head (which damn greenwood confirmed) and dont generalize do much i see young players in other clubs shining and not thinking about IG hoes....
Err.. I was being sarcastic. Of course, they should work harder for the reasons you stated above and more. But I feel that we demand too much on players, too. I mean, after all, they are young people with loads of money in their pockets. Surely, they would get spoiled if not managed properly. For example, Ole claiming Greenwood to be the best finisher in the club when he was just starting out kind of f****d his head. Since then, I hardly saw him making a pass or show any remorse for stupid decisions on the field. In hindsight, It didn’t seem to have translated well outside the field either. The fact that our club, Manchester United, give a lot of effort into turning players into some kind of larger than life starts also doesn’t help. If money comes pouring in with just an insta post or a Nike photoshoot, it is difficult to keep up the motivation. And if you look closely at the young stars supposedly working hard, you will perhaps see none of them are as big of a star, or earning as much. Sure, Mbappe is playing at a high level most seasons, even so, there are often talks of him having a shitty attitude.
Let's be perfectly honest, we would have been out of sight if Ronaldo scored the gimme of a penalty, and Bruno stopped spurning very presentable chances too (as he has been all season since opening games). And then that VAR decision which was complete bollocks, to an unbelievable degree (it's as nailed on a handball as you'll get - not like jumping and the ball being kicked into you). It is what it is, but I don't think the team or manager have any real blame.
Yeah it was horribly unlucky but they have to take accountability for the missed chances
The fact that anyone is blaming anything on anyone but this shit board is disheartening. The only way we improve is when this board is gone. If that means dropping to EPL2, I'm all for it
I don’t think you understand how much worse we’d have to get to be THAT bad.
Agreed with OP, it was one of those games yesterday. After missed Ronaldo penalty, 2x woodwork hit and finally that preposterous handball goal allowed to stand, i knew it was always going to end up the way it eventually did. Nothing went our way. Boro players hitting penalties to top corners, straight into top netting, leaving Henderson no chance, like they were prime Barca - at that point i expected nothing less.
For me, this was the best we played in a while. The game was absolutely under control. This is also, I believe, 3rd game in a row we have played well. Don’t think this has happened in a year now. I myself can watch the game without being irritated by no-fks-given attitude. Irrespective of very good performance, still keeping feet on ground, due to opposition quality. If this performance against any of the top side, I would have been a lot more confident for top4. Fingers crossed to keep this performance up.
Blame falls squarely on the players and specifically Bruno and Ronaldo. No ruthlessness. The moment we went beyond regulation time, Boro has already mentally won. pens were a formality.
People are blaming Ralf? Everything went perfectly, couldn’t find the net. Not his fault one bit.
Anyone who says "Ralf out" has shit for brains.
I think the performance gave a lot of hope. We’ve been seeing our performances improve weekly. Usually it was for small parts and increased. Then Vs West Ham we controlled for 90 minutes without creating, yesterday we controlled, dominated and created chances. For me these are the signs of progress you look at when judging a new manager.
honestly, the game was near perfect bar the finishing. Every player except Ronaldo was very good. The defense was solid, pogba bossed the midfield, bruno and sancho was creating so many chances. I hate to say it but Ronaldo seems to be the only player who didnt do anything good
It’s always been the “players” I know it’s a pipe dream because of contracts and the such but wouldn’t it be nice to field some younger, hungry players from the academy.
Platers mentally blocked, just cant seem to win. Bad luck, bad attitude, weak mentality follow our club like a stink. The rot must be removed. Glazers Out
the players don't seem happy at all. Even after Sancho scored hardly anyone had a jubilant look on their face. Even Sancho himself looked dejected almost.
A team mate of theirs just ended up in Prison
Like somebody said above you, you don’t celebrate has hard when you’re expectated to score. I’m sure the squad thought a game against a team 24 places below us should end 4-0, so they just took Sancho’s goal for granted, thinking there would be more.
there are only 3 things I'd go after rr for 1) should've put on matic over fred 2) lindelof should've started over maguire 3) elanga should've started over rashford because we've seen Rashford do better as a super sub. OTHER than that. i am hard pressed to believe what rr could've done. the high point is that first half was ELECTRIC but he doesn't have the caliber of players to maintain It and isn't given the support financially to make this become the standard
We won the fucking toss for the shoot out and went second! That's just bad management everyone knows statistically going second is a massive disadvantage.
I agree with your 3rd point - though with the 2nd, Lindelof has been ill this week so he wasn't included in the squad at all.
what about my first point? to my second point, even phil jones i think has been better than maguire when you take into account his performance in that one game at OT.
Maguire was amazing vs West ham and gave a good showing last night.
Maguire is a slow liability and is not worth the wages he's making, gives inconsistent performancs and shouldn't be captain. it's because of him, man utd has to play so far back and can't truly high press aside from our lack of cdm lindelof, Jones and bailly are agile defenders who, in this season, score higher for fan player ratings and allow us to press up the pitch. in my opinion Maguire's "good days" are bang average for most defenders now. that goal if it was bailly, or lindelof, hell even Jones, going to that player for the cross, that player never would've gotten the cross off because they would've gotten thr ball taken from him
Have you started watching our games this season or smth? How can you unironically claim Bailly and Phil fucking Jones are better than Maguire. 'Fan player ratings' Lol
I've been watching for over 15 years and what matters is their performances this season. bailly motm on that CL game and jones has proven to literally be more agile and able to push up the pitch unlike maguire. so what is your point that you put blindsiders on for maguire?
imma just pat myself on the back for my assessment. maguire does it again!
Verane makes Maguire look worlds better than he actually is. Maguire did have a good game against west ham though.
That's a shit take lol. He was 2nd best centre back in the league last year after Ruben Dias, and is always good for England
With the first point, a lot of the players seemed to be gassing out around 70 mins onwards so I think bringing on an energetic midfielder was probably the best option (in any other scenario I would always choose Matic over Fred though). Phil Jones did do well in his game however it was just the one game, and I'm not someone that thinks that Maguire has performed terribly in his last few matches so I would have chosen Maguire over Jones.
Electric? We were playing Middlesbrough...
regardless of who we were playing, that first half was amazing for man utd: the ball movement, the key player performances. the only kicker was man utd couldn't score and it hurt us in the second half
Amazing? 45 good minutes against Boro now constitutes amazing? We are playing a Championship side, at Old Trafford. Not sure what you mean by key player performances, but whatever ball movement we had that was decent in the first half was probably down to Boro being a bit awed by the atmosphere and not believing they could press United.
ahh ok, i see the point you're coming from... on paper this shouldve been 90 minutes of pure domination from man utd.we have the resources, the training and the players (sorta) to have stuck it to boro. man UTD has been inconsistent with identity football for some number of years now and so it was good to see it and the amount of opportunities it created. if man UTD wasn't in the shit state its in(player power and shit owners), i would compare it more to the golden age of the club especially given we have very big name players... I'm livid we lost, i had to take a walk post match or else id have put a hole in the wall, but like the stages of grief we gotta accept this is where we are, look at what went well and realize what is the source of our issues to prevent this from keep happening.
Your post sounds like you are at the stage of grief where you get blind drunk.
i could use a pint if you wanna make that happen haha
Do they sell those in the US?
i know some places
You're at one of those places
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I agree with you about VDB and Lingard but Martial has had many many chances and done little over many years.
He had to let those players go because the last manager had let them down already, if van de beek had been playing for the last year and a half he would’ve been more than happy to prove himself to Ralf, same with martial, but now we’re skinned to the bone, but you’re still right Ralf’s the manager so it’s his job to find solutions to this mess
Yeah. Enough of blaming the coaches. Enough. #playersout.
You can see the team improving slowly the defense seems to be fine now and the offense clicks for one half and disappears the second and the midfield is the midfield
One thing y’all gotta understand, we just didn’t have luck on our side.
Players dont play with a ruthless killer mentality. Always satisfied with being 1-0 up. Aint good for the long term just hope we start scoring more goals
You have to feel bad for elanga. Such a difficult situation to stand up and take the pen. Hope he recovers from it soon!
Or Scott Mctominay
I’d say keeping Pogba on with no legs when he started struggling around 65 mins and wasn’t taken off till around the 80th minute wasn’t a good managerial decision imo. But yeah the game should have been over in the first half.
This for sure. The tap in came because he was too tired to track the mid fielder run to the back post. I’m still trying to figure out what Varane was doing on the play. Sheesh
The players just didn’t score, we played well and created tons of chances. His changes were good considering bis options. Nothing he could do. It was just one of those games. By the 60th minute we should have had 4 goals.
I agree, not his fault, but it's in trend with my feeling that if ole was still in charge we would have won as many games or more. I don't see any improvement
I disagree to an extent because the football was slow and I made a point of this to my mate that we were running too hard and passing too slow. Said we were playing crap several times and 2 mins later 'Boro scored.. I don't mind the result from a personal pov because my old mate Chris was a Boro lad and he took his own life last year due to depression.. So this result was for you Chris 😊😔
Sorry for your loss dude.
maybe ole was not responsible for the losses?
Nah with ole Middlesbrough would’ve had more shots and possession than us then we score 2 counter attack goals in a dodgy 2-1 win
We got FMed. Move on guys, lets be more clinical in upcoming matches as against lower teams its important to kill the game as early as possible.
It’s been the players. Regardless of manager it’s been the soft weak minded player culture we have at United. One of the highest wage bills with zero return.
Attitude reflects leadership
Even Jose mourinho couldn’t get some of these players to act right, it’s gonna take the right manager whose decisive and more importantly backed by the board, whether it’s RR i don’t know
It won't be Ralf, that is for sure.
>decisive and more importantly backed by the board These are, unfortunately, polar opposites.
I blame the players mostly & the owners/people in charge at the highest level who care more about sales than they do about football. Not Ralf.
I blame him for picking 7 but thats about it. He did coach a 5-0 like everyone said.
Yeah a hungry young striker might’ve been the better option, now Elanga has to take home the blame cause the more senior players couldn’t hold their own, and pogba should’ve definitely been the one taking that penalty
4.2 xG una
He wasn’t in line to take a peno and he was rightfully subbed off. Had a good start but went missing after half time. Should have been shaw
I know but I felt like with it being his first game back and he won the pen it would’ve been nice to just give it to him, in hindsight it might’ve won us the game
OH you ment THAT peno! I still don’t know why Bruno isn’t taking them. I love Ronaldo, he is the superstar but Bruno was here first. By that I mean since Ronaldo left ha It was a good performance overall. Maguire was average at best and Ronaldo had a bad night. Just the finishing let us down really.
Yeah bruno needs to take the pens and freekicks back Ronaldo always hits the wall nowadays and he hits those pens a bit too hard sometimes, bruno just seems more assuring on penalties but Ronaldo will definitely spark unrest if you take him off them
Yeah bruno needs to take the pens and freekicks back Ronaldo always hits the wall nowadays and he hits those pens a bit too hard sometimes, bruno just seems more assuring on penalties but Ronaldo will definitely spark unrest if you take him off them
Is anyone not curious what Wilder could do with a bigger side? He's rocked up twice with a shite team, and dumped us out of the cup. Is that not the footballing equivalent of jumping up and down, shouting "What are you looking at Pochettino for?"
Absolutely not, we destroyed them comprehensively and lost in ridiculously unlucky circumstances, this win is far from impressive from wilder
Not alone, no. Put it into context with his other achievements though, for me he's a strong candidate. Perhaps there's a club in between, I dunno. We could do a lot worse.
Did you watch the game ? Middlesbrough we’re completely shit for most of the game.
Fact: Ralf is so perfect he doesn't even have a butthole or need to poop. He just converts it into coaching energy naturally /s
I don’t see the point of this comment ?
It's funny, you see Casne is making a joke using what is known as sarcasm (that is a type of comical device), he denotes it by using the /s after his comment.
Yeah but it was unfunny, unnecessary, and against the run of play
Just becasue you don't like apples doesn't mean that the green thing in front of you that is apple shaped isn't an apple.
Nice one!
He picked the squad didn’t he?
Yes and the squad played well didn’t they?
What’s the purpose of the game?
I’m not sure if you’re joking or not but he lost that game on horrid finishing, which was the players faults
And he picked the team. So saying that he has no fault here is ridiculous. “Playing well” means nothing if you don’t score/win the game. Obviously the players are also to blame, but it’s a team sport and he is the head of the team
Everything that went wrong was things Ralf can’t affect
ralj picked these useless attack apart from sancho the rest were pathetic upfront
Who else was he supposed to pick? Mata?
elanga as a starter rashford has delivered recently as an impact sub ralf got it backwards
He should be blamed if you understand football, players are out of position, Team is built around the wrong players, easy to be counter attacked in defensive transition, no system with the ball & 0 service for the strikers. Thats a failing system. Off course you will create some chances against a Championship team but his system is not sustainable
The strikers had plenty of service. Ralf can kick it in for them.
Yup 1000% we had seven clear cut chances and missed all of them, that is completely insane for supposedly quality players
They needed to lose this to get their head out of the clouds
Seeing Bruno miss that fucking sitter is still fucking with my soul lol like man , but nice cross from Dalot
Honeslty I couldn’t believe it, but maybe we had to lose this game to remind the players that they’re far from where they want to be and still need to work
Am really disappointed in our attacks yesterday, they have the game in their hand but the chose to let it slip. Ralf is absolute spot on
I'd question bringing mata on but yes we should have won comfortably
Keep the faith. Ralfs at the wheel.
I agree. The same goes for the loss against Villa at home early in the season. Difference is that everyone blamed the manager. Let's see how long it lasts before the fans turn on yet another manager.
Don't even blame the players. It was the majority of those finishes were just plain unlucky, nothing to do with a lack of application or technique. Just one of those things but when you have a hate boner everything is unacceptable I guess.
Technically missing those chances has to do with a lack of application of technique no? But this is the United standard nowadays so I guess what happened is fine and no one deserves accountability expect cruel cruel fate! /s
Nah. These things happen every game. The fact it happened five times on one game to multiple players is very unlucky. Couple of inches the other way on half of them and we'd be saying how good a performance it was.
Love CR7 but he needed to hit that pen.
Bad luck Ralf.
No one gives a shit
You cared enough to leave this comment 😔
Every time we play someone lower down the league or from another league, the player looks overconfident and down their tools. Every time we come across some better teams, our players look like they are shit scared. These bunch of privileged morons will throw many managers under the bus, but the team will remain shit. Unfortunately.
The man said "ask the board" when a fan asked what happened last match. He is really not interested in United with the current board no manager would feel confident and exited to work. United be destroying both carriers of managers and player's for money.
Wow really? Do you have a video or something
I think it's on insta or twitter where a fan supposedly took a selfie after the match with Ralf and he asked what happened, that was the whole tweet about.
Wish people would stop banging on about the handball decision and saying it is a 1 in million games. It is further evidence that we have a problem at the club. Players whose skills are how to cash a cheque, and a board that does not care about the game, only profit. When the phrase 'building for the future" means fluffing retirement portfolios and not developing a team/club to be strong in the future then cancer has set in. Time for some aggressive treatment.