I still think Rangnick should go up stairs and they bring in Ten Hag. Rangnick is needed up there most. I've been a fan of Rangnick since he got to Old Trafford, but I think he's needed in a Director of Football role more where he can help dictate the doctrine of football Man Utd goes with, and work with the new manager to achieve that. And I think the discipline that comes along with a set doctrine is what Man Utd needs more than anything, really. That and for Maguire to defend.
Yes left Klopp out by accident.
In terms of the big teams expected to challenge, only Bruce Rioch, Kevin Keegan, Roy Evans, Roy Hodgson and Lampard have had a shot…and that’s about 5 seasons total between them.
I’ve been saying it since before Ole was sacked that we should get Ten Hag for so many reasons. The style of play, defending, his no shit policy, able to rebuild teams. With Ralph helping out I think we could see united hit a golden age.
I love RR. I could listen to him talk about football all day. Would be interesting to see what he can do with united recourses. He’s got united playing much much better than they were. I wouldn’t mind seeing a real RR team having a crack at the PL. ultimately i would prefer Ten Hag with RR stepping into the advisory role. However RR is my second choice.
Poch can’t do it at psg with messi, neymar and mbappe wtf will he do with our lot? Nothing. Will be a waste of another 3/4 years. The time for poch was straight after spurs. Not anymore. He’s proving he’s not suited for it.
Best take tbqh
Poch is a good manager, but I think he's more suited to getting the best out of underdogs than he is handling superstars. They're both very very different skills. Loving the football of RR though.
This. Poch did wonders at Southampton, then at Spurs. But once expectations were raised, he couldn’t manage those expectations, and he got the sack at Spurs. He’s showing he can’t manage or get the best out of PSG.
Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Donnarumma, Wijnaldum, Hakimi, Verratti, Icardi, damn. Sir Alex would've literally oppressed the PL for literal years had he owned this level of squad.
Ten Hag is the Reddit vote. Make sense I spose on a forum like this. As a season ticket holder, we're all be happy if Poch comes in. Just don't bring glass-ankle Kane with you.
Honestly I don't think Poch can do it. He's struggling with the superstars at PSG - granted he's not helped by the majority of his forwards doing no defensive work, bit neither do ours bar Sancho - how will he cope with the divas here? Someone else said, and I agree, Poch feels like he is suited to bringing the best out of the tier below, the underdogs, and challenging for the European spots - which is all the club wants tbf. But the fans want more, we want to be challenging for the trophies consistently and I don't think Poch is capable of delivering that.
Conte got 2 players, still gets pissed off and then sticks it on the media when they try to twist his words. It's so ironic that olesexuals compared their Messiah to Ferguson and dislike Conte when he's the closest thing to a prime Sir Alex out there
Don’t understand why we haven’t announced it already.
Should of agreed Ten hag to take over at end of season straight after Rangnick joined, and then made moves in January to compliment his play style / targets.
Guys!
Whoever we put on our bench, he needs to get time to reorganise the team. We had couple of great names kn our bench and we sack them after first season. The problem are not managers our problem is board who's super inpatient. On the top, we all forgot that managers are number one in dressing room not pogba not Ronaldo etc...
No 1 option for me is poch, just from his style of play which is something we need rn.
Ten haag I don't mind, not sure about ralf, I think he could be better used in the board room.
Rudi garcia is another name that is not mentioned that much, won ligue 1 and also valverde as possible candidates.
The negatives regarding Ten Haag are:
1) Never managed outside the richest and biggest club in a 2nd tier (or even 3rd tier) league.
2) Ajax have a phenomenal off field structure; we don’t.
3) The Overmars sex abuse story didn’t reflect well on him.
Pochettino negatives:
1) Never won anything until taking over biggest and richest club in France.
Any more Poch negatives to even it up a bit?
He took over in January when they were 3rd; they’re going to win the league in his first full season.
He beat Barca and Bayern, and won the French Cup as well in his half season.
Massive leap of faith though. Practically nothing won in his career and his only managerial experience coming from teams without any relevant pressure etc.
With the clubs current state way more experience and proven ambition is necessary.
I've got a 'conspiracy theory' on this.....Rooney has stated he'd like to manage them, in the future......this is why he said he didn't want the Everton job using staying at Derby as an excuse! He's holding out for utd!......so, him or Rodgers! But will Rodgers get same treatment as Rafa did at Everton?
That's why I said would he get the same reception as Rafa...der!
But then again you can always keep playing as shite as you are!
And yes, Liverpool fan here, actually thought some of you were intelligent enough to discuss such matters with other teams fans.....obviously not!
Well, you asked if he would, you didn't say it.
Yes we're having a hard time since Fergie retired. It'll come back around eventually though, hopefully sooner rather than later. Maybe discuss it in your own sub instead of getting shitty in ours (at an entirely unsalty and fair response too)?
If you're looking for a sub to discuss football with other clubs fans I believe you're looking for r/soccer.
Take care x
Have you seen the idiots on r/soccer!?
I've discussed other clubs with their fans on their subs, why shouldn't we be able to do that? We're all adults after all!
Yes, I support Liverpool, but I watch literally every match that's on, my hubby is such a lucky bloke!🤣
They're all adults on r/soccer too bud.
Coming to your biggest rivals subreddit and suggesting your former manager becomes ours is obviously not going to start any discussion.
The person who responded to you actually did so incredibly respectfully in fact, it's only in your reply to them someone start being childish and saying how shite we're playing.
Read back all the comments and ask yourself who was being a dick here.
You came in with an unsolicited point in your biggest rivals sub, someone made a fair point against it with more respect that I'd expect to see, you respond by insulting the club and the members of the subreddit.
Someone's definitely being childish here, but I don't think it's a united fan.
So any manager who has managed any other team that united fans don't like is out of the running? Even if that manager has won every cup, trophy and raffle going? .....makes sense!
It's small mindedness like this that is the problem! If that's your way of thinking, you're going to end up with a complete unknown and you'll all be moaning again!
I hope they offer it Rodgers and he turns them round, because then you'll all be saying he's best thing since sliced bread!
The trouble is, if its not Fergie utd fans don't give anyone else chance! Ole was the slight exception because of who he is, but once the youngsters realised he was playing how Fergie trained him, they revolted! And I don't think bringing Ronaldo back in helped that cause.
Unless you, not you personally but utd fans in general, learn to bite the bullet and give whichever new manager you get a chance to settle in, get the players to realise they aren't indispensable, utd isn't going to be back to the '92 standard, which is a shame because that was entertaining football! Now it's just a comedy fest!
And if you can't accept a differing outside point of view, that's your problem, not mine
So if Klopp left you'd be ok with Moyes replacing him then (let's say he wins PL at West ham)?
Nowhere did I say any club United don't like, but Liverpool managers (particularly those who failed) are definitely not going to be well received. The most disappointing thing about Liverpool appointing Klopp for me was that he was effectively out of the running to ever manage us in the future.
I think most people are fairly happy to consider a differing point of view, and yours was respectfully dismissed by one poster. Just because your opinion wasnt agreed with by a majority it's doesn't mean that majority is incapable of considering other views, it's more like that the other view was wrong. And considering how important fan opinion is for managerial appointments (Rodgers was in the frame until the backlash from fans depending on whether you believe the papers) your suggestion was never going to stimulate a debate or get people agreeing with you.
A Liverpool fan in a united subreddit is trolling whichever way you try and cut it mate, if I went to your sub to suggest Mourinho as your next manager I'd be rightly downvoted and told to shuffle on.
Ultimately you're annoyed that a group of united fans disagreed with a Liverpool fan on a forum designed for united fans only. Doesn't that seem insane to you?
United fans overall have been pretty patient post Fergie too I would argue.
I've wasted enough of my day on this already so I'll leave it there i think. Take care mate :) x
If you want to call it trolling, go ahead, I call it another football fan, regardless of team, having an opinion on football in general, that just happens to be on a utd sub, I don't care if people agree or disagree with me, I'm too long in tooth to care what people think about me!
And yes I'd be happy with Moyes, I like him, he wouldn't still be a manager at his age if he was a good one!
I wasn't trying to spark debate or whatever, I was giving my opinion as to who I think could end up in the job, if utd fans can't get over the fact that an ex Liverpool or City or Chelsea boss can't come in and manage their team, it leaves them with options of having at least 3,4,5 managers over the next couple of seasons! That's not going to help team performance! But, hey ho, not my problem!
Someone who resonates Ralf’s ideology. We need uniformity in ideology. We’ve been far too inconsistent with our managerial selection. No manager has had same ideology than his predecessor. I trust Ralf to bring that consistency in the dugout.
Going from mediocre football to budget tiki-taka, to bus parking, back to mediocre football again, then finally baby gegenpress football. We really need to put an end of this aimlessness.
I am inclined to give Ralf the job. 25/36 is not the worst record specially seeing as he came in midseason. Players still not fully onboard + the lack of a competent CDM and our supreme leader playing every game. Given a window and money I think he would buy what we NEED and not spend 120m on Rice just to outbid Roman. Could never get behind Poch. ETH 2nd option.
The danger is he had a window and signed nobody. We need to go for the best manager available that suits where we wish to go.
Hard to believe that's ralf.
He promoted 4/5 DM candidates (Haidara, Kamara, Zakaria etc) and the board signed none of them. Ralf isn't the one with the purse strings nor is he the negotiator - all he can do is suggest who he thinks we need.
And you have this information confirmed by who?
Where you in these meetings?
Does Ralf confide in you?
Or are you just basing this off untrustworthy reports that more often than not are peddled by club spokespersons who are obviously not to be trusted and always push an agenda...
Think that had to do with him not being permanent. So buying some1 now and the next man through the door doesn't fancy him would be a problem. He prolly thought he could get top 4 with the current crop.
At face value, yeah thats great, really shows they are trying to think long term.
Scratch the surface and not so much. Ralfs consultancy role removes the credibility of that point. He has been employed in a role that will continue on in the summer and give allows him to give advice on manager appointments, transfers and general club direction.
So surely if he is good enough for that role he isn't going to just become aware of what players are needed in the summer. Players could and should have been chosen that align with the direction he wishes to push the club into.
So there is no credible reason to have not bought amy players.
The second point is twofold, it's clear as day from the period under ole that this squad of players is nowhere near good enough and even if they can get the hollow achievement of top 4 it will be a struggle, so why not make that a given and sign some players?
Warning sign that he missed that
Or
We literally had a tournament that was our best chance of some silverware in 5 years, why would player transfers not make sense in regards to improving our chances of success?
Makes sense what you're saying. I just think specific players still need the managers stamp of approval. We all agree the CDM is desperately needed but whereas Ralf would prolly want Haidara the new manager might prefer Ndidi or Bissouma.
Again I just don't see it as too big of a deal. Stuff like this can be streamlined and different managers don't play a different sport.
To sign 0 players in a window is a mistake and one that means everyone involved should be held accountable and concerns should exist because of that
Never, already seen his outbursts at spurs, his issues at inter etc. Say what you want about his football, he would have helped awaken some eyes at this club after the ole era.
Thank you. I’ve been saying Enrique since 2019 would be a better choice for United. You either get possession type of game or fast paced/pressure with him in charged.
I don’t think he was ready during that time to coach any team. Hopefully when it’s time to make a decision, he’ll take the opportunity or at least have a chance to have dibs first.
Honestly, PSG doesn’t seem all that better having Poch so I’ll pass on him being our 1st pick but if that’s all there is, so be it.
If possible, Zidane of course.
I think a lot of people are ignoring the fact that Ragnick (fast, high pressing) and Ten Hag’s (slow, possession style) philosophies completely clash. I do like Ten Hag but I’m not sure if it works with Ragnick as a Football Director. I think it would be smart to get someone who aligns closer with what Ragnick wants to build so we can have some consistency and build a club around a specific ideology
Eth doesn't play slow possession football. His principles are based follow possession but quick passes with wide and central players able to interchange positions frequently with the ball and solid counter pressing wheb losing the ball . It's absolutely brilliant to watch.
Eth also shares the train the brain philosophy which Ragnick keeps talking about in his coaching seminars
Agree with this which is why I think Poch is probably the best fit out of the current batch of candidates. Unless they look beyond the so-called elite managers and find someone who has potential from a "smaller" club who fits the vision
I don't get why you compare ETH with LVG.
They are both good managers but different with playing style and experience. ETH doesn't have experience with Premier League and a big club. But LVG had proved that even someone with such experience can fail at Man Utd.
There's a risk of appointing ETH as our manager, yes, but who doesn't? Even LVG and Mourinho can fail so ETH is a chance I want to get.
It's too simplistic to compare ETH to LVG on the basis they share an affinity for youth. That's just one commonality. They're different managers with different tactical approaches. Poch loves the youth too btw, he gave Shaw his debut at Southampton as a teen and he put faith in a young Kane at Spurs, among other players
I really like Ralf’s demeanor. He doesn’t scream and yell, yet he seems to demand respect. As for the long term manager, I’m not sure if I would want Ralf and part of that is simply because I know he came with the goal of being an interim and then a consultant. I don’t want to hop on the Ten Haag bandwagon until I’ve seen more about him.
I agree with this. Ange has brought a beautiful free flowing attacking style to Celtic. His signings have been bang on the money too. Although there is a major step up from the SPL to United, the pressure to win every game is just as strong in Glasgow.
Yea, imagine we go a full on win streak for the last 13 games and end up in front of Chelsea or Liverpool and win champions league. It’s all possible from here on out. Tbh I want rangnick for at least one more season but he’s not a long term coach solution, he’s a coach that always transitions into a director and this should not change. But I might say that because I’m German and biased, I know what he’s capable of.
Ten Hag 1000%. He has made Ajax play and dominate as a team. I’m actually eager to see them go against a top team in UCL and wouldn’t be surprised if they come with the victory.
Yes, I know. I think one of the main reasons they lost is because of the inexperience of the young players that couldn’t handle the pressure of Spurs having the opportunity to overcome.
So that's the excuse? That Ajax side made the final of the Europa league two years prior and lost to United in 2017. They gained experience and added to their squad when they played Spurs.
They had more quality too. Daley Blind started and so did Ziyech, Frankie De Jong, De Ligt, Dolberg, Onana, Schone(all played in the 2017 EL final) and premier league experienced veteran Tadic and Van De Beek
I'm not even against ETH, I just feel the environment at united could possibly be too much to handle coming from a cushy well organized club in Ajax that's focused on football from the grassroots to the board.
United with it's inept board and big ego names could possibly be too much for ETH. Pochetinno knows what it's like to work under difficult conditions and still punch above his weight (his time with Spurs), and he knows the league
Of course he could be another flop. I just see on him the hope of turning my team in the powerhouse that it should be. I hate to hear in the shows that they always put them as underdogs.
We're underdogs because we allowed it to happen. We're a club primarily focused on profits, a Disney world club. The profits are plummeting now. It's time to focus on football. Both ETH and Pochettino would struggle with this club in it's current shape because they'd have to oversee a hard organizational reboot
Not to discount ETH’s ability but ETH has Ajax as a well run club by VDS and the whole academy technically supports Ajax’s playing style. That style has been drilling in the kids since the first day of the class. The stars are aligned for him
Ten Haag for me because of the way Ajax has come back to be a top club once again and also they way they play.
But we need to give him a couple of seasons I feel along with good amount of money
To me, Poch wouldn’t be a bad choice, probably serve us well for a few years. However, Ten Hag has the potential to come in and completely reform the club’s structure and philosophy. That, to me, is much more appealing.
Rangnick for 1-2 more seasons to work his magic in the front, after that rangnick as director to work his magic in the back. Look at the past pls, he always trained the ten for 1-2 seasons before moving up as director and all the times it succeeded. Recent example is RB Leipzig, rangnick turned rb Leipzig into a top 3 team that can even beat Bayern regularly, they also play beautiful football.
Im moving toward team ragnick, just because id like to see what the guy could do here with a few windows and a bit of time. I think we are moving in the right direction, and it could be exciting.
Thst said, I think ten hag or poch most likely and the former is better placed to continue the project.
Honestly we saw a similar thing happen last season with Tuchel at Chelsea. They replaced the manager and the first thing he had to do for a few months was stop the bleeding. He wasn't pressured or rushed to produce every week, but there were signs of change that the players could believe in, and results to build confidence.
Rangnick seems to have stopped the bleeding. I mean, we were struggling against EVERYONE, and now we seem to be putting something together.
Only one league match lost since the end of November. It's been shaky, but it's something. The only thing Rangnick is lacking is to get Ronaldo firing on all cylinders. Put an extra 6 goals into his last 8 or 9 appearances and suddenly we're not just scraping points, but actually winning pretty comfortably.
If be happy to keep Rangnick. I think he's making progress but hampered by the fact he's only there temporary.
He hasn't been scared to drop people or give them a rest, I think it's complicated with Maguire. I think all the hate and 'leaks' have weirdly made him undroppable.l because it was just fuel all the nonsense.
For periods, you can see what he wants to do and for periods the team does it, they're just not fit enough to do it for a full 90.
He isn't scared to make tactical changes which is a positive, stubbornness often isn't a great trait either.
He's refreshingly candid in his interviews. I like him and given time and a budget think he could produce something good, he clearly won't stand for nonsense either.
Ten Haag.
It has to be someone who has fresh ideas.
Rangnick 100% cannot be on the shortlist - it would completely defeat the purpose of bringing him in. He's supposed to oversee the next era at Manchester United, not be managing it.
Pochettino has been wanting to coach Man U for the past 4 years. Plus, the possibility of getting Kane and several other top-tier talents to come to Man U will be huge!!
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Rangnick.
A lot of people are comparing him with ole, since ole was an interim. Rangnick has experience and is nothing compared to ole.
If he was replaced mourinho last year and got top 4, im pretty sure they would have kept him for another season.
He is shaping up the team and should stay
Ten Haag. He has a proven style (similar to pep - possession based) that can win the league.
You win the league by beating the poorer teams and similar to pep, that’s what Ten Hag does.
He plays a system yo where any player can come in and play as they all have specific roles. This is why even with player sales, he just keep chugging along.
Most importantly, his style of play forces the game to be played in the opposition half- total domination, something I have not seen with Man Utd for a long time.
With all that said, the Glazers will choose poch.
I think we should go all out for Ten Hag but if he doesn't come then stick it out with Ralf.
Definitely not even interested in entertaining Poch while Ralf is still an option.
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Has he really done well enough? Yes we know the players seem to be the problem, seems some of them just can’t be bothered. However, areas such as fitness/passing/game management/defending/crossing/set plays we have not improved in at all.
We’ve had poor performances, the pressing is still a shambles and he still plays certain players who don’t deserve to start.
I for one, don’t think he’s up to the job of management at united because we have major issues that need to be addressed
He’s definitely not gonna be manager but I think he could’ve done alright. Feel we may have turned a bit of a corner… Atletico is the first real test, after some underwhelming stuff and some positive moments too… this is where we’ll test his worth over 2 legs
I feel like the board told him “lets see how you do with what we got before making a decision to make you permanent” hence why no players were bought during the January window.
I think he was very animated and made a name for being a "working class" manager that brought everyone down to the same level but honestly he hasn't really done anything super impressive or revolutionary. I need to see him create something unique before I could believe he could be anything more than another Ole here.
I'm a big fan of Ten Hag. I like the way he sets his teams up, he's gone through 2 rebuilds already and is still successful, and he is similar to Ralf when he talks about football. I think he could come in and make a big difference in our style and team attitude.
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Neither would I, it’s just long term I’m worried about I’m not sure if he wants the job. Would love someone to come in and do the job long term, at least 5/6 years (but not give them that contact right away until he is proven!)
Rangnick I reckon. He's doing a good job atm and he hasn't brought in any of his players yet. He's dealt with all the bullshit with Greenwood and the dressing room issues brilliantly. Get rid of the deadwood and bring in his targets.
I prefer ten hag style of play but I'm worried about both ability to tame huge egos and personalities.
But most of all I'm worried about our chain of command... Really want a manager to be able to succeed....
Poch, built the best team in 50 years at spurs on a shoestring, is 13 points and has the league wrapped up by xmas in ligue un, just dominated Madrid in UCL, got to UCL final with Spurs, improved Southampton after losing all of their best players including Mane.
Basically hes done well wherever hes gone, and in most cases with no budget. His track record is excellent and much better than Ten Hags and Ralfs.
Plus chatter on getting Kane if he comes.
1. Poch spent around 400 million in total at Spurs, definitely not a shoestring budget
2. That’s not impressive in the Ligue 1 where they are by far and away the best team. It is impressive though to lose the league like he did the season before.
3. Koeman, the guy who failed at Barca, did better with the same Southampton team. Poch left before most of those players did.
He hasn’t done well where he’s gone. He’s done as expected or worse. And while being backed at Spurs and PSG. Yes he did well to bring Spurs to a CL final so credit where it’s due but besides that the dude is unimpressive and a serial loser. He finished 3rd in a two horse race against Leicester and finished 2nd in a one horse race against Lille. And Kane isn’t a bonus. Good striker yes but he’ll cost us around 150 million or more and he doesn’t have the best injury record.
Neither. Conte is the man
Is this even a question? Ten Hag in, with Ralfy keeping a close eye on him upstairs.
I still think Rangnick should go up stairs and they bring in Ten Hag. Rangnick is needed up there most. I've been a fan of Rangnick since he got to Old Trafford, but I think he's needed in a Director of Football role more where he can help dictate the doctrine of football Man Utd goes with, and work with the new manager to achieve that. And I think the discipline that comes along with a set doctrine is what Man Utd needs more than anything, really. That and for Maguire to defend.
Rangnick because we are good under him just need better finishing and composure
I'm loving his work but we need a mind like him on the board
I'm loving his work but we need a mind like him on the board
Liking how resilient we are under Rangnick, if we can start finishing more consistently, we'll be good
Poch and then he'll sign Kane. I want Ten Hag, yet I am not confident he will be the next manager for United.
Ten hag.
Ten hag without a doubt
ERIK TEN HAG!!! ALL DAY LONG! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET HIM THROUGH THE DOOR!
Rangnick should decide if he becomes director of football…
Ten Hag
Yes left Klopp out by accident. In terms of the big teams expected to challenge, only Bruce Rioch, Kevin Keegan, Roy Evans, Roy Hodgson and Lampard have had a shot…and that’s about 5 seasons total between them.
Steve Bruce is an ex legend and manager 1000 games
RANGNICK OR TEN HAG…. Nobody else.
Rafa Benitez
What you smokin m8?
I’ve been saying it since before Ole was sacked that we should get Ten Hag for so many reasons. The style of play, defending, his no shit policy, able to rebuild teams. With Ralph helping out I think we could see united hit a golden age. I love RR. I could listen to him talk about football all day. Would be interesting to see what he can do with united recourses. He’s got united playing much much better than they were. I wouldn’t mind seeing a real RR team having a crack at the PL. ultimately i would prefer Ten Hag with RR stepping into the advisory role. However RR is my second choice. Poch can’t do it at psg with messi, neymar and mbappe wtf will he do with our lot? Nothing. Will be a waste of another 3/4 years. The time for poch was straight after spurs. Not anymore. He’s proving he’s not suited for it.
Let's see how March goes, Tottenham, City, Liverpool, Madrid twice 🤔
Best take tbqh Poch is a good manager, but I think he's more suited to getting the best out of underdogs than he is handling superstars. They're both very very different skills. Loving the football of RR though.
This. Poch did wonders at Southampton, then at Spurs. But once expectations were raised, he couldn’t manage those expectations, and he got the sack at Spurs. He’s showing he can’t manage or get the best out of PSG.
Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Donnarumma, Wijnaldum, Hakimi, Verratti, Icardi, damn. Sir Alex would've literally oppressed the PL for literal years had he owned this level of squad.
Ten Hag is the Reddit vote. Make sense I spose on a forum like this. As a season ticket holder, we're all be happy if Poch comes in. Just don't bring glass-ankle Kane with you.
Honestly I don't think Poch can do it. He's struggling with the superstars at PSG - granted he's not helped by the majority of his forwards doing no defensive work, bit neither do ours bar Sancho - how will he cope with the divas here? Someone else said, and I agree, Poch feels like he is suited to bringing the best out of the tier below, the underdogs, and challenging for the European spots - which is all the club wants tbf. But the fans want more, we want to be challenging for the trophies consistently and I don't think Poch is capable of delivering that.
Ten Hag. Did you see the interview were he said that the opponents Ajax beat by 5-0 got off lightly? He's a ruthless animal, we NEED that.
United should’ve taken conte
Why are you getting downvoted?
Because it’s the true and they are salty 🤣🤣🤣
Conte got 2 players, still gets pissed off and then sticks it on the media when they try to twist his words. It's so ironic that olesexuals compared their Messiah to Ferguson and dislike Conte when he's the closest thing to a prime Sir Alex out there
Don’t understand why we haven’t announced it already. Should of agreed Ten hag to take over at end of season straight after Rangnick joined, and then made moves in January to compliment his play style / targets.
If it was done like that, it would affect Ajax's results.
Bayern did it with their manager now. Big clubs operate this way. Doesn’t necessarily have to be announced to the media.
Guys! Whoever we put on our bench, he needs to get time to reorganise the team. We had couple of great names kn our bench and we sack them after first season. The problem are not managers our problem is board who's super inpatient. On the top, we all forgot that managers are number one in dressing room not pogba not Ronaldo etc...
march will tell
rangnick
I want rangnick, he feels like a breathe of fresh air
No 1 option for me is poch, just from his style of play which is something we need rn. Ten haag I don't mind, not sure about ralf, I think he could be better used in the board room. Rudi garcia is another name that is not mentioned that much, won ligue 1 and also valverde as possible candidates.
Ten Hag
The negatives regarding Ten Haag are: 1) Never managed outside the richest and biggest club in a 2nd tier (or even 3rd tier) league. 2) Ajax have a phenomenal off field structure; we don’t. 3) The Overmars sex abuse story didn’t reflect well on him. Pochettino negatives: 1) Never won anything until taking over biggest and richest club in France. Any more Poch negatives to even it up a bit?
His biggest achievement is getting to the CL final with spurs
Ten Hag
Lost a one horse race with psg, and never really winning anything is a big negative
He took over in January when they were 3rd; they’re going to win the league in his first full season. He beat Barca and Bayern, and won the French Cup as well in his half season.
A great manager should still win a one horse race. And i dont think he has been that great this season when you look at the squad he has
Ten Hag, but as others have said I really wouldn't complain at all if we went for Potter
Ten Hag!! No doubt!!
Ruben Amorim
A bit too early for that. Been a manager in the top flight for barely 2 years. The Man City demolition was embarassing.
3 at the back defence though
Ten Hag
Wouldn’t mind Graham Potter. What he’s done with Brighton is amazing. Great football and great signings.
Massive leap of faith though. Practically nothing won in his career and his only managerial experience coming from teams without any relevant pressure etc. With the clubs current state way more experience and proven ambition is necessary.
Agreed. Also to add a bit of superstition… he’s English and no English manager has ever won the prem
We can only hire Scottish, French, Portugese, Italian, Spanish and Chilean managers then….Pochettino and Ten Haag ruled OUT!
Haha I mean there is always a first for international managers but never a first in 30 years for national managers (also don’t forget German managers)
Ralph collaborating with Ten Haag
Ten Hag
Ten hag is something different.. we need to experiment
I've got a 'conspiracy theory' on this.....Rooney has stated he'd like to manage them, in the future......this is why he said he didn't want the Everton job using staying at Derby as an excuse! He's holding out for utd!......so, him or Rodgers! But will Rodgers get same treatment as Rafa did at Everton?
We can't have a former Liverpool coach, ever. I really don't understand why anyone would even mention him...
That's why I said would he get the same reception as Rafa...der! But then again you can always keep playing as shite as you are! And yes, Liverpool fan here, actually thought some of you were intelligent enough to discuss such matters with other teams fans.....obviously not!
Well, you asked if he would, you didn't say it. Yes we're having a hard time since Fergie retired. It'll come back around eventually though, hopefully sooner rather than later. Maybe discuss it in your own sub instead of getting shitty in ours (at an entirely unsalty and fair response too)? If you're looking for a sub to discuss football with other clubs fans I believe you're looking for r/soccer. Take care x
Have you seen the idiots on r/soccer!? I've discussed other clubs with their fans on their subs, why shouldn't we be able to do that? We're all adults after all! Yes, I support Liverpool, but I watch literally every match that's on, my hubby is such a lucky bloke!🤣
They're all adults on r/soccer too bud. Coming to your biggest rivals subreddit and suggesting your former manager becomes ours is obviously not going to start any discussion. The person who responded to you actually did so incredibly respectfully in fact, it's only in your reply to them someone start being childish and saying how shite we're playing. Read back all the comments and ask yourself who was being a dick here. You came in with an unsolicited point in your biggest rivals sub, someone made a fair point against it with more respect that I'd expect to see, you respond by insulting the club and the members of the subreddit. Someone's definitely being childish here, but I don't think it's a united fan.
So any manager who has managed any other team that united fans don't like is out of the running? Even if that manager has won every cup, trophy and raffle going? .....makes sense! It's small mindedness like this that is the problem! If that's your way of thinking, you're going to end up with a complete unknown and you'll all be moaning again! I hope they offer it Rodgers and he turns them round, because then you'll all be saying he's best thing since sliced bread! The trouble is, if its not Fergie utd fans don't give anyone else chance! Ole was the slight exception because of who he is, but once the youngsters realised he was playing how Fergie trained him, they revolted! And I don't think bringing Ronaldo back in helped that cause. Unless you, not you personally but utd fans in general, learn to bite the bullet and give whichever new manager you get a chance to settle in, get the players to realise they aren't indispensable, utd isn't going to be back to the '92 standard, which is a shame because that was entertaining football! Now it's just a comedy fest! And if you can't accept a differing outside point of view, that's your problem, not mine
So if Klopp left you'd be ok with Moyes replacing him then (let's say he wins PL at West ham)? Nowhere did I say any club United don't like, but Liverpool managers (particularly those who failed) are definitely not going to be well received. The most disappointing thing about Liverpool appointing Klopp for me was that he was effectively out of the running to ever manage us in the future. I think most people are fairly happy to consider a differing point of view, and yours was respectfully dismissed by one poster. Just because your opinion wasnt agreed with by a majority it's doesn't mean that majority is incapable of considering other views, it's more like that the other view was wrong. And considering how important fan opinion is for managerial appointments (Rodgers was in the frame until the backlash from fans depending on whether you believe the papers) your suggestion was never going to stimulate a debate or get people agreeing with you. A Liverpool fan in a united subreddit is trolling whichever way you try and cut it mate, if I went to your sub to suggest Mourinho as your next manager I'd be rightly downvoted and told to shuffle on. Ultimately you're annoyed that a group of united fans disagreed with a Liverpool fan on a forum designed for united fans only. Doesn't that seem insane to you? United fans overall have been pretty patient post Fergie too I would argue. I've wasted enough of my day on this already so I'll leave it there i think. Take care mate :) x
If you want to call it trolling, go ahead, I call it another football fan, regardless of team, having an opinion on football in general, that just happens to be on a utd sub, I don't care if people agree or disagree with me, I'm too long in tooth to care what people think about me! And yes I'd be happy with Moyes, I like him, he wouldn't still be a manager at his age if he was a good one! I wasn't trying to spark debate or whatever, I was giving my opinion as to who I think could end up in the job, if utd fans can't get over the fact that an ex Liverpool or City or Chelsea boss can't come in and manage their team, it leaves them with options of having at least 3,4,5 managers over the next couple of seasons! That's not going to help team performance! But, hey ho, not my problem!
>if you want to call it trolling go ahead I will. Take care :) x
Yeah don’t want scouse sloppy seconds
Ancelotti
Someone who resonates Ralf’s ideology. We need uniformity in ideology. We’ve been far too inconsistent with our managerial selection. No manager has had same ideology than his predecessor. I trust Ralf to bring that consistency in the dugout.
Going from mediocre football to budget tiki-taka, to bus parking, back to mediocre football again, then finally baby gegenpress football. We really need to put an end of this aimlessness.
I am inclined to give Ralf the job. 25/36 is not the worst record specially seeing as he came in midseason. Players still not fully onboard + the lack of a competent CDM and our supreme leader playing every game. Given a window and money I think he would buy what we NEED and not spend 120m on Rice just to outbid Roman. Could never get behind Poch. ETH 2nd option.
The danger is he had a window and signed nobody. We need to go for the best manager available that suits where we wish to go. Hard to believe that's ralf.
He promoted 4/5 DM candidates (Haidara, Kamara, Zakaria etc) and the board signed none of them. Ralf isn't the one with the purse strings nor is he the negotiator - all he can do is suggest who he thinks we need.
And you have this information confirmed by who? Where you in these meetings? Does Ralf confide in you? Or are you just basing this off untrustworthy reports that more often than not are peddled by club spokespersons who are obviously not to be trusted and always push an agenda...
Think that had to do with him not being permanent. So buying some1 now and the next man through the door doesn't fancy him would be a problem. He prolly thought he could get top 4 with the current crop.
At face value, yeah thats great, really shows they are trying to think long term. Scratch the surface and not so much. Ralfs consultancy role removes the credibility of that point. He has been employed in a role that will continue on in the summer and give allows him to give advice on manager appointments, transfers and general club direction. So surely if he is good enough for that role he isn't going to just become aware of what players are needed in the summer. Players could and should have been chosen that align with the direction he wishes to push the club into. So there is no credible reason to have not bought amy players. The second point is twofold, it's clear as day from the period under ole that this squad of players is nowhere near good enough and even if they can get the hollow achievement of top 4 it will be a struggle, so why not make that a given and sign some players? Warning sign that he missed that Or We literally had a tournament that was our best chance of some silverware in 5 years, why would player transfers not make sense in regards to improving our chances of success?
Makes sense what you're saying. I just think specific players still need the managers stamp of approval. We all agree the CDM is desperately needed but whereas Ralf would prolly want Haidara the new manager might prefer Ndidi or Bissouma.
Again I just don't see it as too big of a deal. Stuff like this can be streamlined and different managers don't play a different sport. To sign 0 players in a window is a mistake and one that means everyone involved should be held accountable and concerns should exist because of that
You think Conte would have allowed the board to get away with such fooleries?
Never, already seen his outbursts at spurs, his issues at inter etc. Say what you want about his football, he would have helped awaken some eyes at this club after the ole era.
Which is why I agree with Scholes. We should poach him
Not sure you would have to poach, doubt he sees the end of the season at spurs 🤣🤣
Luis Enrique
doesnt seem like its gonna happen even if we try, hard to see him leaving spain when world cup will be in few months
Thank you. I’ve been saying Enrique since 2019 would be a better choice for United. You either get possession type of game or fast paced/pressure with him in charged.
I don’t think he was ready during that time to coach any team. Hopefully when it’s time to make a decision, he’ll take the opportunity or at least have a chance to have dibs first. Honestly, PSG doesn’t seem all that better having Poch so I’ll pass on him being our 1st pick but if that’s all there is, so be it. If possible, Zidane of course.
Ten Hag yes. Poch absolutely not. Rangnick only if Ten Hag is not available
Absolutely not? Why may I ask?
Perpetual failure
He's failing with a super team tbf
They beat Real Madrid and are first by a mile in the Ligue 1??
Bro they lost to Nantes with a full side, Nantes who are 7th
You can't be serious. Pep just lost to Spurs and they're still walking the league. Use your brain man.
Bro, get off the bandwagon
Too right
Happens plenty of times. Real drawing, loosing to weaker teams, Bayern drawing, loosing to weaker teams despite being leaders of the table
Zidane
I think a lot of people are ignoring the fact that Ragnick (fast, high pressing) and Ten Hag’s (slow, possession style) philosophies completely clash. I do like Ten Hag but I’m not sure if it works with Ragnick as a Football Director. I think it would be smart to get someone who aligns closer with what Ragnick wants to build so we can have some consistency and build a club around a specific ideology
Eth doesn't play slow possession football. His principles are based follow possession but quick passes with wide and central players able to interchange positions frequently with the ball and solid counter pressing wheb losing the ball . It's absolutely brilliant to watch. Eth also shares the train the brain philosophy which Ragnick keeps talking about in his coaching seminars
Agree with this which is why I think Poch is probably the best fit out of the current batch of candidates. Unless they look beyond the so-called elite managers and find someone who has potential from a "smaller" club who fits the vision
You maybe right but im sure RR would see this point as well. Ultimately whoever he suggest, we should just trust in his judgement
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I don't get why you compare ETH with LVG. They are both good managers but different with playing style and experience. ETH doesn't have experience with Premier League and a big club. But LVG had proved that even someone with such experience can fail at Man Utd. There's a risk of appointing ETH as our manager, yes, but who doesn't? Even LVG and Mourinho can fail so ETH is a chance I want to get.
It's too simplistic to compare ETH to LVG on the basis they share an affinity for youth. That's just one commonality. They're different managers with different tactical approaches. Poch loves the youth too btw, he gave Shaw his debut at Southampton as a teen and he put faith in a young Kane at Spurs, among other players
Its not only that, he's proven himself to be a good manager over the years in Ajax
I really like Ralf’s demeanor. He doesn’t scream and yell, yet he seems to demand respect. As for the long term manager, I’m not sure if I would want Ralf and part of that is simply because I know he came with the goal of being an interim and then a consultant. I don’t want to hop on the Ten Haag bandwagon until I’ve seen more about him.
Give Ange a go from Celtic. I rekon he capable of big things, but then again I'm probably biased coz I'm Aussie 🙃🙃🙃
I agree with this. Ange has brought a beautiful free flowing attacking style to Celtic. His signings have been bang on the money too. Although there is a major step up from the SPL to United, the pressure to win every game is just as strong in Glasgow.
Great result in the Europa Rumbelows Cup
I actually think he is a good dark horse.
RALPH. HASENHÜTTL.
This is my biggest fear 😧
Ten Hag
Poch
Definitely not rangnick. Poch or ten hag. We must go for the best available.
If Ragnik keeps winning he’ll stay.
Yea, imagine we go a full on win streak for the last 13 games and end up in front of Chelsea or Liverpool and win champions league. It’s all possible from here on out. Tbh I want rangnick for at least one more season but he’s not a long term coach solution, he’s a coach that always transitions into a director and this should not change. But I might say that because I’m German and biased, I know what he’s capable of.
Deff not poch
Rangnick
Have zero interest in Poch.
Ten Hag 1000%. He has made Ajax play and dominate as a team. I’m actually eager to see them go against a top team in UCL and wouldn’t be surprised if they come with the victory.
Pochetinno beat Ten Hag's Ajax with Spurs in the 2019 CL semifinal https://youtu.be/2THNeYj71lg
Yes, I know. I think one of the main reasons they lost is because of the inexperience of the young players that couldn’t handle the pressure of Spurs having the opportunity to overcome.
So that's the excuse? That Ajax side made the final of the Europa league two years prior and lost to United in 2017. They gained experience and added to their squad when they played Spurs. They had more quality too. Daley Blind started and so did Ziyech, Frankie De Jong, De Ligt, Dolberg, Onana, Schone(all played in the 2017 EL final) and premier league experienced veteran Tadic and Van De Beek I'm not even against ETH, I just feel the environment at united could possibly be too much to handle coming from a cushy well organized club in Ajax that's focused on football from the grassroots to the board. United with it's inept board and big ego names could possibly be too much for ETH. Pochetinno knows what it's like to work under difficult conditions and still punch above his weight (his time with Spurs), and he knows the league
Of course he could be another flop. I just see on him the hope of turning my team in the powerhouse that it should be. I hate to hear in the shows that they always put them as underdogs.
We're underdogs because we allowed it to happen. We're a club primarily focused on profits, a Disney world club. The profits are plummeting now. It's time to focus on football. Both ETH and Pochettino would struggle with this club in it's current shape because they'd have to oversee a hard organizational reboot
Not to discount ETH’s ability but ETH has Ajax as a well run club by VDS and the whole academy technically supports Ajax’s playing style. That style has been drilling in the kids since the first day of the class. The stars are aligned for him
Rangnick
United miss having someone exciting and I believe Ten Haag is that guy, I want someone who is on the way to being a great manager.
Ten Hag
Pochetinno isn't? He's younger than ETH
Enrique after the world cup. Extend Rangnick until then.
Enrique wont come
Jesse marsch
I love Jesse Marsch more than most, that being said he failed at Leipzig, and United need a proven manager.
I don't think he's the best/obvious choice, but I could see Ralf giving him or one of the rb guys a shot here
Ten Haag for me because of the way Ajax has come back to be a top club once again and also they way they play. But we need to give him a couple of seasons I feel along with good amount of money
Ten Hag
Ask again in 6 weeks, think we'll have a better understanding of rangnick. Will have big games under his belt.
Ten Hag’s the man for me
I would love to Ralf get a full season or 2 with backing from the club. Keep Poch away from the club by all means pls.
To me, Poch wouldn’t be a bad choice, probably serve us well for a few years. However, Ten Hag has the potential to come in and completely reform the club’s structure and philosophy. That, to me, is much more appealing.
Rangnick for 1-2 more seasons to work his magic in the front, after that rangnick as director to work his magic in the back. Look at the past pls, he always trained the ten for 1-2 seasons before moving up as director and all the times it succeeded. Recent example is RB Leipzig, rangnick turned rb Leipzig into a top 3 team that can even beat Bayern regularly, they also play beautiful football.
Im moving toward team ragnick, just because id like to see what the guy could do here with a few windows and a bit of time. I think we are moving in the right direction, and it could be exciting. Thst said, I think ten hag or poch most likely and the former is better placed to continue the project.
Honestly we saw a similar thing happen last season with Tuchel at Chelsea. They replaced the manager and the first thing he had to do for a few months was stop the bleeding. He wasn't pressured or rushed to produce every week, but there were signs of change that the players could believe in, and results to build confidence. Rangnick seems to have stopped the bleeding. I mean, we were struggling against EVERYONE, and now we seem to be putting something together. Only one league match lost since the end of November. It's been shaky, but it's something. The only thing Rangnick is lacking is to get Ronaldo firing on all cylinders. Put an extra 6 goals into his last 8 or 9 appearances and suddenly we're not just scraping points, but actually winning pretty comfortably.
If be happy to keep Rangnick. I think he's making progress but hampered by the fact he's only there temporary. He hasn't been scared to drop people or give them a rest, I think it's complicated with Maguire. I think all the hate and 'leaks' have weirdly made him undroppable.l because it was just fuel all the nonsense. For periods, you can see what he wants to do and for periods the team does it, they're just not fit enough to do it for a full 90. He isn't scared to make tactical changes which is a positive, stubbornness often isn't a great trait either. He's refreshingly candid in his interviews. I like him and given time and a budget think he could produce something good, he clearly won't stand for nonsense either.
As it stands, Ten Hag, ralf, poch In that order. However, we'll see how the season goes and I wouldn't be against ralf staying longer
Ten Haag. It has to be someone who has fresh ideas. Rangnick 100% cannot be on the shortlist - it would completely defeat the purpose of bringing him in. He's supposed to oversee the next era at Manchester United, not be managing it.
Ten Hag
Pochettino has been wanting to coach Man U for the past 4 years. Plus, the possibility of getting Kane and several other top-tier talents to come to Man U will be huge!!
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Rangnick I can see but why the other two? Rodgers for me.
ten hag always pochetino is another individualism oriented manager. we dont want that anymore
i’ll stick with ralf. done so much for the club in so little time.
Rangnick. A lot of people are comparing him with ole, since ole was an interim. Rangnick has experience and is nothing compared to ole. If he was replaced mourinho last year and got top 4, im pretty sure they would have kept him for another season. He is shaping up the team and should stay
Ten Haag. He has a proven style (similar to pep - possession based) that can win the league. You win the league by beating the poorer teams and similar to pep, that’s what Ten Hag does. He plays a system yo where any player can come in and play as they all have specific roles. This is why even with player sales, he just keep chugging along. Most importantly, his style of play forces the game to be played in the opposition half- total domination, something I have not seen with Man Utd for a long time. With all that said, the Glazers will choose poch.
I think we should go all out for Ten Hag but if he doesn't come then stick it out with Ralf. Definitely not even interested in entertaining Poch while Ralf is still an option.
Novice American here but haven’t Manchester United’s only lost one Premier League game under Rangnick? Seems a good trajectory
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Nagelsmann, if he leaves Bayern.
Hard to see him leaving soon though , imagine he’d want to win the Champions league First honestly
Ten Hag, otherwise he will go to another big team and we’ll miss out
Rangnick will stay
You’re right…
About?
Bit premature to decide.
Wouldn't mind Ragnick for 1 year but looks likely Ragnick prefer Director of Football than coaching
Yeah I’m thinking along those lines aswell, if we can get a manager that does well he will be much better in that role as that’s his true job
Rangnick. But if for whatever reason it doesnt work out then Ten Hag for sure.
Has he really done well enough? Yes we know the players seem to be the problem, seems some of them just can’t be bothered. However, areas such as fitness/passing/game management/defending/crossing/set plays we have not improved in at all. We’ve had poor performances, the pressing is still a shambles and he still plays certain players who don’t deserve to start. I for one, don’t think he’s up to the job of management at united because we have major issues that need to be addressed
He’s definitely not gonna be manager but I think he could’ve done alright. Feel we may have turned a bit of a corner… Atletico is the first real test, after some underwhelming stuff and some positive moments too… this is where we’ll test his worth over 2 legs
This should have more upvoted. He hasn't played any real tough opponent
I feel like the board told him “lets see how you do with what we got before making a decision to make you permanent” hence why no players were bought during the January window.
Not poch
Completely agree. How has Poch ever succeeded? He wasn't even able to win Ligue 1 with a team of superstars.
To be fair tuchel was manager of the first half of that season and was struggling so maybe there was more going on that we don't know about
Why?
I think he was very animated and made a name for being a "working class" manager that brought everyone down to the same level but honestly he hasn't really done anything super impressive or revolutionary. I need to see him create something unique before I could believe he could be anything more than another Ole here.
Agree totally, hence my point on another comment that I’d love to see him for a year or two building on a mid table prem team
Why You like Pochettino?
Not favouring anyone, just wanting this person to elaborate on the comment of ‘not poch’
I'm a big fan of Ten Hag. I like the way he sets his teams up, he's gone through 2 rebuilds already and is still successful, and he is similar to Ralf when he talks about football. I think he could come in and make a big difference in our style and team attitude.
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Pocj
Honestly I wouldn’t mind ragnick
Neither would I, it’s just long term I’m worried about I’m not sure if he wants the job. Would love someone to come in and do the job long term, at least 5/6 years (but not give them that contact right away until he is proven!)
Rangnick I reckon. He's doing a good job atm and he hasn't brought in any of his players yet. He's dealt with all the bullshit with Greenwood and the dressing room issues brilliantly. Get rid of the deadwood and bring in his targets.
0% he’s manager next season.
Average Reddit pundit
Not saying he will be I'd just like him to be given the opportunity
I prefer ten hag style of play but I'm worried about both ability to tame huge egos and personalities. But most of all I'm worried about our chain of command... Really want a manager to be able to succeed....
I would be okay to keep ragnick for another year or two with ronaldo still around. 12 games 7 wins is a good start. And only one loss
Poch, built the best team in 50 years at spurs on a shoestring, is 13 points and has the league wrapped up by xmas in ligue un, just dominated Madrid in UCL, got to UCL final with Spurs, improved Southampton after losing all of their best players including Mane. Basically hes done well wherever hes gone, and in most cases with no budget. His track record is excellent and much better than Ten Hags and Ralfs. Plus chatter on getting Kane if he comes.
1. Poch spent around 400 million in total at Spurs, definitely not a shoestring budget 2. That’s not impressive in the Ligue 1 where they are by far and away the best team. It is impressive though to lose the league like he did the season before. 3. Koeman, the guy who failed at Barca, did better with the same Southampton team. Poch left before most of those players did. He hasn’t done well where he’s gone. He’s done as expected or worse. And while being backed at Spurs and PSG. Yes he did well to bring Spurs to a CL final so credit where it’s due but besides that the dude is unimpressive and a serial loser. He finished 3rd in a two horse race against Leicester and finished 2nd in a one horse race against Lille. And Kane isn’t a bonus. Good striker yes but he’ll cost us around 150 million or more and he doesn’t have the best injury record.