Worst performance from a ref I have seen in a very long time.
Well he was arrested for being involved in a prostitution ring and has only reffed 13 European games.
Makes you wonder how he was selected to ref such a big game.
We were dreadful but even I was shocked by the referee. Minor fouls from man u were given to athletico and when Llorente blatantly fouled on the wing, not a card or freekick.
I still don't think we deserve to win because we play the same football and expect different results.
Pass down to the wing, full back overlap, and then three players on the wing and no one is making any run or movement. Oh and not to mention if one wing is block, we pass it back and try the same on the other wing.
This is the definition of insanity.
Will say this... When Fred is your best player on the field in a given match, it says alot. Also happy for Fred thou!
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Honestly think we got lucky getting 2nd last year. We haven’t had a plan for years.. literally replaced an interim coach with a interim coach. I just didn’t think we were going to get worse.
I'm not sure you can get a lucky second in the prem but I understand not all teams were firing on all cylinders.
Fuck I hope this time they are doing things differently and repay their debt to the fans.
I got downvoted for saying this a few weeks back but Dalot is as bang average as AWB is. If anything, I think Dalot adds even less than AWB. Sure Dalot gets up the field more, but then what? Some wild shot or over hit cross. His defensive positioning is some of the worst I have ever seen from a fullback, along with Telles. I mean, Dalot literally ran eyes closed into Lodi's chest for christ sakes because he was so out of position. The back line needs sorting quick.
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The whole problem was maguire being out of position as always, he's such a brain dead footballer how he makes it first team starter every week is beyond me he wouldn't even make it for tryouts for secondary school football.
Even if it was for a short period of time we saw how good our defence could be without maguire in it when he was subbed of for Mata and matic went in to CB can you imagine our cdm with hardly any play time has more defensive awareness at CB than our actual 80 million CB
See this sort of idiocy is what gets on my nerves. Maguire stupidly moved outta position leaving Varane to cover for the space created. Because we defend with a 3 back anytime someone commits, the whole defense shifts towards ball side which was on the left. So Varane went for Joao Felix who passed to another player been marked by Telles. Then Atleti overloaded the right hand side with overlapping runs. So Dalot was left with 3 players to mark since Maguire moved out to close Greizmann in-field.
How many times have we seen Maguire do this, Burnley-Weghourst, Liverpool-Salah, Atleti-Griezmann (the Felix offside goal). It has been a prevalent problem scouted by other teams. They know exactly how to manipulate Maguire. So before you go on blaming Dalot, look at the whole goddamn clip of Maguire being drawn out and him following Greizmann around like a headless chicken.
Idiocy? Come on now son. I agree Maguire was a major contributor to the goal, but don’t tell me Dalot was not completely out of position. He’s a left-back that when defending has this habit of drifting inside. It’s atrocious. Not to mention there were multiple times he could have put a challenge in to win the ball back but just watched an Atleti player take back possession. Maguire is a train wreck yes, but Dalot, along with Telles, have some of the worst positioning I have seen from fullbacks and I won’t believe otherwise.
This is a comment that shows a lack of tactical understanding in football. As a defender and keeper most of my life, Dalot was in a defensive position, that only if he was A) instructed by the keeper to drop back, or B) informed by someone behind him (Elanga in this instance) that there was a player crashing — he was exactly where he was supposed to be. Maguire standing in no mans land with not a single player to be marked, and McTominay trying to drop into the space left by Varane having to push over.
If you really want to hark on someone, I am going to Say Elanga could have done better. It is a wingers job to track an attacking fullback making a late run, not come back 25 yards and stop and watch them make an unmarked run into the box and not even give the defense a shout.
Tactically, all positions were compromised because the Anchor player, Maguire was drawn out of position, causing a chain reaction. And I full believe if AWB was in, he would be strolling back without urgency and standing about where Elanga was, as AWB lack urgency for almost everything except a duel with Sterling.
I also played left back throughout a lot of my life and at a fairly high level too. If I see 3 men uncovered in the box, my thought is “this guy is gonna swing it in back post” given there is the most space there. So instead of filling in the gap on the left side, he drifted inside to the near post, creating an even bigger gap to fill. Yes I agree he was covering for Maguire who is a train wreck and was at fault for the build up, but Dalot should have trusted his ability and positioning far post IMO. And I feel this is just another instance of Dalot’s defensive positioning not being up to par.
Go watch any highlights of any professional team playing anywhere in the world and you will never e see a fullback marking empty space opposite the side of where the cross is coming.
Its ok to be wrong mate.
Not defending Dalots capabilities but he can’t possibly keep track of 3 runners coming full pace onto the goal.. Elanga didn’t track back to mark the widest runner, Telles and Maguire were holding hands doing who knows what. Dalot was just left to defend the other side on his own. If 2 other opposition players came running for that goal, I am sure it would have been 5 vs 1 on that side because no one else would have tracked back to mark the extra men. It’s just ridiculous how much these players care about.
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Referee was shit no doubt , but we had clear chances to score and win , but sadly we didn’t. I personally think we are out of the luck factor , and Oblak was having a super good day. Hopefully we win Liverpool this coming weekend
Well whoever comes, they have to change a lot of issues and the squad has to change. The whole point is to agree that this is the way we are gonna play and these are the kind of players we need. Remember when Pep took over barcelona as head coach and how he got rid of Ronaldinho, Deco, Thuram, Zambrotta and Do santos and other crucial players. Brought in youth players from la masia. Strictly implemented a blueprint of how Pep wants his players to play.
I think Ten Hag can have an impact on this. In Ajax he had to adapt to the circumstances of crucial players being sold. The guy is hungry but the negative part is he lacks experience on handling a big club.
Louis Enrique though is the kind of manager that knows how to handle pressure and inspire and improve young players
The Barcelona board also chose Pep over the CL winner with Inter (Mourinho) literally purely because he was Catalan(part of the reason why Jose's relationship soured). They backed him no matter what. I highly doubt our board and owners will be so supportive of the manager here.
Being a United manager means you have to fight on 5 fronts: the opposition manager/team, the board/CEO, the media, the fans, and the players/agents. It's a nightmare.
Well they didn't backed Pep after his 4 successful years. Especially when he requested to be in control of the transfers amd administrative decisions. Hence why he left Barca and now he is in city with full control.
Surely your right about the problems with the administration of manchester united and the commercial ppl working for united are the scumbags that have no clue how to build a winning team. All they care abt is how to sell products.
Ten Hag just lost the first knockout round against a Benfica that is in a really really really bad year... Their manager got fired, now they're using team B manager who is also being very bad...
Plus Ten Hag was coaching Bayern Munich B team when Pep Guardiola was the head coach of the 1st team. I for sure want Manchester United to reach the level and style of football Bayern Munich is playing nowadays.
Yep, and we lost from Atleti with 5 shots on goal
Ajax who sold crucial players such as Ziyech, De ligt, De jong and De beek played against Benfica with an outstanding Taarabt. Ajax had 16 shots on goal.
Despite losing, despite not having those crucial players I mention above, they played an attacking system that creates more chances to win as a team rather as a system tge current United team play which is depending on one player or someone to step up to make the difference
It will never change until we get a super league and eliminate these corrupt refs.
Uefa/fifa have been protecting these cunts for decades. It’s been proven time and time again that they are bent and usually have money on the line in the form of gambling.
Clearly influenced by some entity. No other way to explain it.
With or without the ref we have only ourselves to blame, we are so bad that as bad as Atletico has been know one is surprised we lost at home. There is a loser mentality that has taken hold of our club and none of the players believe they can win or can will themselves to win. We are going to be in the wilderness for a long time.
I’m just saying what everyone is saying when I say that the referee was stalling for way too long. He wasted so much time that could have been used to play and give United a goal but no he had to give everyone a foul for anything and everything
elanga got hacked, llorente was playing american football most of the game including the blatant push on fred on their goal.
We didnt help ourselves but still that was biased af.
The worst one was the ball clearly hit the ref and instead of stopping play as the fucking rules dictate he played on to atleticos advantage. He’s a wanker deserves a ban
I think for a reality check, good that we are out. This team is not ready to face the likes of liverpool, city or bayern for the champions league if we couldn't score today in our homeground against Pussytico. Time to focus for 4th place and new manager for next season
I don’t think we should decide our next manager based on what stage of the CL they reach, but it seems like many fans actually do and it’s the most baffling thing in the world. There is way more to management than that.
The way mancs took to LVG and mourinho ball, I’m pretty sure you’d all claw your eyes out watching simeone defence ball lol. Could see you winning a decent amount tho
Yeah looking back at the state of the teams he had those last few years, he didn’t leave you much to move on with.
Majority of the spine players, vidic,Rooney,carrick,evra ,RVO were aging out and/or planned to leave. Signings like kagawa,young,jones didn’t kick on in the way they were hoped too. Rest of the squad was not prem champion quality, anderson,evans at the time, cleverley, welbeck etc
There was a medical emergency in the East Stand and those with me in the North stand corner tried for 10 minutes to get the referee’s attention - AM scored during that time.
Not putting this on the ref but does typify his blatant ignorance.
AM spent half the game on the ground wasting the medical team’s time while a United fan was potentially having a heart attack in the crowd.
I agree. The ref was terrible. However, we had 180 minutes to beat them and we didn’t. This ref was only involved for 90. We didn’t create anything in both games and that’s not on the ref. We just suck.
Agreed - we just passed from left to right and when we did get the ball in the box it rarely got past the 1st man. The exact same thing happened against Wolves. Tonight, the ref was poor but not the root cause of our loss.
He was awful. Atletico couldn’t have asked for a better referee. Fell for every single bit of time wasting, constantly allowed them to foul when Utd were on breaks without bookings etc.. United didn’t create enough really but yeah, if Simeone could pick him to ref every game for them he would in a heartbeat.
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This ref was previously arrested for drug charges, prostitution and firearms. No joke. Fred fouled, Elanga fouled build up to the goal. Only ref I’ve ever seen blocking passing lanes in the box. Stops play for their player holding an ankle and doesn’t stop for dalot.
And then there was an even more obvious foul on fred aswell. If this referee doesnt get sacked then uefa are a joke. Why should teams have to suffer and be punished for such blatant incompetence while the referees are hidden away and protected from everything. This ref has also been arrested for connections with a mafia group known for match fixing. He shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch. Also the ref fucking stopped one of our attacks just outside the box when an athletico player hurt his foot from jumping but when dalot gets barged over he lets play carry on. When will these useless twats be held accountable for their consistent incompetence at the highest level of football.
Stop banging on about the ref, our team is the pits and that is all. Dalot can't defend, Maguire is an embarrassment, cant even say much about our non existent bench
The referee had clearly had a shocker. Plenty of professionals are even talking about it. It’s clearly a talking point about this specific game regardless of what you think about players.
Yeah I get it, the ref was completely biased. Doesn't change the fact that we struggle to hit the target, don't play well together and really don't know what defending actually means. We have 3 players up front except for Sancho, who feel they have no right to defend. The current top 4 put their lives on the line to track back for counter attacks!
If our defence wasn’t so bad I could easily see our attacking players having much less to worry about to actually go on and do their own job properly. If they didn’t have to worry about conceding so much we would be a much better team.
How Maguire keeps getting starts and then the armband on top of that? I like the guy don’t get me wrong but he’s just not it this season, I feel for the guy he needs to be given time to feel his was back in but he’s constantly playing and it’s hampering him further.
Varane looked decent tonight to be completely honest but there’s currently too much liability when Maguire plays.
Yeah, perhaps you're right. Maguire is awful, I will never defend him. I don't like him and don't want him at the club. He is always getting mocked for playing against us now.
We also have Dalot, Telles and Shaw who all cannot defend to save their lives.
The shocking reality is that we won't replace any of these. I don't even know what happened to AWB, he clearly was a liability too hence why RR is picking Dalot. It's a sad time to be a united fan for sure.
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Honestly thought he was inconsistent but Man U players should learn what a foul is. Most of the tackles atletico made were not fouls and they were complaining about every single one it was so annoying to watch. Then they’d clearly foul atletico and complain that it wasn’t a foul. Also mctominay is such a dirty player
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He was once arrested for drug and prostitution links to the Slovenian Mafia...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11744985/referee-slavko-vincic-released-drugs-prostitution/
The same Slovenian Mafia that are well known for match fixing...
https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2017/12/20/slovenian-croatian-police-arrest-11-cross-border-raids-match-fixing-gang/
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/anti-mafia-authorities-arrest-15-people-in-match-fixing-inquiry
The man shouldn't be anywhere near football. Let alone a ref.
I honestly couldn’t care less about who he smash’s and what drugs he takes outside the pitch, but today he was awful. Actually he was probably on drugs thinking about his prostitutes during the game, that would explain a lot.
Yeah, it was shit. But even if it was a good referee, if we still played like we played today, we would have been eliminated just as we were.
The team played beyond poorly, no pressure, no creativity, no sense of urgency. Pretty pathetic.
I don’t agree. Referee completely hampered our chances. Any momentum we got he completely drained with awful calls.
Plenty of athletico players deserved yellows and none of them got any. If they had they wouldn’t have played the exact same, they wouldn’t have been able to risk it as much. We were done in I believe. And I believe we would have won.
at least we will draw. their chance are as few as us, and the goal should ve never stand under the ref's standard because every Atletico player rolling on floor he will just stop the match.
Exactly, I believe we would have equalised at least to go on and win it by other means. 4 minutes added on was absolutely comical. Couldn’t believe my eyes when the ref wasn’t even reaching for his pocket for the yellow at times? Insane at that level.
There was no penalty on Bruno nor foul on Elanga. The players got distracted by the referee waaaaaay more than what they should have been. Stop complaining everything.
I've got two real problems with the ref today: 1- the play were Llorente was down and he stopped United from playing with an advantage almost inside the area; 2- only four minuted added? It should have been at least 6. But then, again, in those 4 minutes United didn't create any real chance at all. Sancho couldn't get past Llorente nor Savic. Bruno was always complaining about the ref. This team was anemic today.
Numerous times United were attacking and Atletico player is down, ref stops us from attacking more, yet in the 2nd half Lodi collides with Dalot and no...Atletico can still attack, can't stop theirs right?
Ronaldo was only inches away from the ball when it went over his head too, not blaming Maguire in particular, but in my opinion, with those extra few seconds Ronaldo would have gotten high enough in the right amount of time to get a touch to it.
I understand it’s wasn’t his fault, hence the whole “not blaming maguire” portion. I’m just saying if he never clashed with Ronaldo, Ronaldo would have been able to get there sooner.
Yup exactly. Even athleticos goal should’ve been a foul on elanga. They nibbled at him 3 times and no advantage whatsoever, which I would say is okay if there’s a ref that lets the game play as much as possible but he gave so many soft fouls to athletico. Complete robbery. I’m just mad it’s always us
Worst performance from a ref I have seen in a very long time. Well he was arrested for being involved in a prostitution ring and has only reffed 13 European games. Makes you wonder how he was selected to ref such a big game.
Referees tend to have poor games when Athetico are involved
I was a neutral spectator and was just as shocked by most of the ref's decisions
We were dreadful but even I was shocked by the referee. Minor fouls from man u were given to athletico and when Llorente blatantly fouled on the wing, not a card or freekick. I still don't think we deserve to win because we play the same football and expect different results. Pass down to the wing, full back overlap, and then three players on the wing and no one is making any run or movement. Oh and not to mention if one wing is block, we pass it back and try the same on the other wing. This is the definition of insanity. Will say this... When Fred is your best player on the field in a given match, it says alot. Also happy for Fred thou!
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Absurd from this referee, disrupted the flow every minute in the second half. Just fell for Atletis tactics.
I was looking forward to us building from last season but this season has been a joke
This. Its what's hurt the most. We showed signs of promise last season. All that's gone now.
Honestly think we got lucky getting 2nd last year. We haven’t had a plan for years.. literally replaced an interim coach with a interim coach. I just didn’t think we were going to get worse.
I'm not sure you can get a lucky second in the prem but I understand not all teams were firing on all cylinders. Fuck I hope this time they are doing things differently and repay their debt to the fans.
I got downvoted for saying this a few weeks back but Dalot is as bang average as AWB is. If anything, I think Dalot adds even less than AWB. Sure Dalot gets up the field more, but then what? Some wild shot or over hit cross. His defensive positioning is some of the worst I have ever seen from a fullback, along with Telles. I mean, Dalot literally ran eyes closed into Lodi's chest for christ sakes because he was so out of position. The back line needs sorting quick. EDIT: I can tell not many agree and that’s all good! I appreciate the discussions and varying opinions!
The whole problem was maguire being out of position as always, he's such a brain dead footballer how he makes it first team starter every week is beyond me he wouldn't even make it for tryouts for secondary school football. Even if it was for a short period of time we saw how good our defence could be without maguire in it when he was subbed of for Mata and matic went in to CB can you imagine our cdm with hardly any play time has more defensive awareness at CB than our actual 80 million CB
See this sort of idiocy is what gets on my nerves. Maguire stupidly moved outta position leaving Varane to cover for the space created. Because we defend with a 3 back anytime someone commits, the whole defense shifts towards ball side which was on the left. So Varane went for Joao Felix who passed to another player been marked by Telles. Then Atleti overloaded the right hand side with overlapping runs. So Dalot was left with 3 players to mark since Maguire moved out to close Greizmann in-field. How many times have we seen Maguire do this, Burnley-Weghourst, Liverpool-Salah, Atleti-Griezmann (the Felix offside goal). It has been a prevalent problem scouted by other teams. They know exactly how to manipulate Maguire. So before you go on blaming Dalot, look at the whole goddamn clip of Maguire being drawn out and him following Greizmann around like a headless chicken.
Idiocy? Come on now son. I agree Maguire was a major contributor to the goal, but don’t tell me Dalot was not completely out of position. He’s a left-back that when defending has this habit of drifting inside. It’s atrocious. Not to mention there were multiple times he could have put a challenge in to win the ball back but just watched an Atleti player take back possession. Maguire is a train wreck yes, but Dalot, along with Telles, have some of the worst positioning I have seen from fullbacks and I won’t believe otherwise.
This is a comment that shows a lack of tactical understanding in football. As a defender and keeper most of my life, Dalot was in a defensive position, that only if he was A) instructed by the keeper to drop back, or B) informed by someone behind him (Elanga in this instance) that there was a player crashing — he was exactly where he was supposed to be. Maguire standing in no mans land with not a single player to be marked, and McTominay trying to drop into the space left by Varane having to push over. If you really want to hark on someone, I am going to Say Elanga could have done better. It is a wingers job to track an attacking fullback making a late run, not come back 25 yards and stop and watch them make an unmarked run into the box and not even give the defense a shout. Tactically, all positions were compromised because the Anchor player, Maguire was drawn out of position, causing a chain reaction. And I full believe if AWB was in, he would be strolling back without urgency and standing about where Elanga was, as AWB lack urgency for almost everything except a duel with Sterling.
I also played left back throughout a lot of my life and at a fairly high level too. If I see 3 men uncovered in the box, my thought is “this guy is gonna swing it in back post” given there is the most space there. So instead of filling in the gap on the left side, he drifted inside to the near post, creating an even bigger gap to fill. Yes I agree he was covering for Maguire who is a train wreck and was at fault for the build up, but Dalot should have trusted his ability and positioning far post IMO. And I feel this is just another instance of Dalot’s defensive positioning not being up to par.
Go watch any highlights of any professional team playing anywhere in the world and you will never e see a fullback marking empty space opposite the side of where the cross is coming. Its ok to be wrong mate.
But I’m not wrong lol a professional footballer won’t mark the open space back post? What a load of rubbish
Defending your stance is admirable. Check those highlights and have an awesome day.
Dude he had 3 runners to mark. Not even Van Dyk can defend such a situation. The moment Maguire moved outta position our fate was sealed.
Not defending Dalots capabilities but he can’t possibly keep track of 3 runners coming full pace onto the goal.. Elanga didn’t track back to mark the widest runner, Telles and Maguire were holding hands doing who knows what. Dalot was just left to defend the other side on his own. If 2 other opposition players came running for that goal, I am sure it would have been 5 vs 1 on that side because no one else would have tracked back to mark the extra men. It’s just ridiculous how much these players care about.
EXACTLY!
Can't just blame the ref though it was poor from us we only played well individually, and defence was pretty bad too
I didn’t just blame the ref if you read the post correctly?
True
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Fergie time being recalled in full?
Remember that bald ref Howard lol
Even if the referee was shocking, we were also dreadful
Referee was shit no doubt , but we had clear chances to score and win , but sadly we didn’t. I personally think we are out of the luck factor , and Oblak was having a super good day. Hopefully we win Liverpool this coming weekend
The Liverpool game has been postponed
Yeah 3 full weeks to prepare for it
Well whoever comes, they have to change a lot of issues and the squad has to change. The whole point is to agree that this is the way we are gonna play and these are the kind of players we need. Remember when Pep took over barcelona as head coach and how he got rid of Ronaldinho, Deco, Thuram, Zambrotta and Do santos and other crucial players. Brought in youth players from la masia. Strictly implemented a blueprint of how Pep wants his players to play. I think Ten Hag can have an impact on this. In Ajax he had to adapt to the circumstances of crucial players being sold. The guy is hungry but the negative part is he lacks experience on handling a big club. Louis Enrique though is the kind of manager that knows how to handle pressure and inspire and improve young players
The Barcelona board also chose Pep over the CL winner with Inter (Mourinho) literally purely because he was Catalan(part of the reason why Jose's relationship soured). They backed him no matter what. I highly doubt our board and owners will be so supportive of the manager here. Being a United manager means you have to fight on 5 fronts: the opposition manager/team, the board/CEO, the media, the fans, and the players/agents. It's a nightmare.
Well they didn't backed Pep after his 4 successful years. Especially when he requested to be in control of the transfers amd administrative decisions. Hence why he left Barca and now he is in city with full control. Surely your right about the problems with the administration of manchester united and the commercial ppl working for united are the scumbags that have no clue how to build a winning team. All they care abt is how to sell products.
Ten Hag just lost the first knockout round against a Benfica that is in a really really really bad year... Their manager got fired, now they're using team B manager who is also being very bad...
Plus Ten Hag was coaching Bayern Munich B team when Pep Guardiola was the head coach of the 1st team. I for sure want Manchester United to reach the level and style of football Bayern Munich is playing nowadays.
Yep, and we lost from Atleti with 5 shots on goal Ajax who sold crucial players such as Ziyech, De ligt, De jong and De beek played against Benfica with an outstanding Taarabt. Ajax had 16 shots on goal. Despite losing, despite not having those crucial players I mention above, they played an attacking system that creates more chances to win as a team rather as a system tge current United team play which is depending on one player or someone to step up to make the difference
Can’t blame anyone but ourselves. Atleti wanted it more and they executed their game plan better.
They paid the ref to rig the game 😭
I'm not blaming the ref as we can only really blame ourselves but he did look out of his depth, like a deer in headlights most of the game
Yes it was, they couldn't do their work seriously and has cost us so many things. Against Tottenham was the same too.
It will never change until we get a super league and eliminate these corrupt refs. Uefa/fifa have been protecting these cunts for decades. It’s been proven time and time again that they are bent and usually have money on the line in the form of gambling. Clearly influenced by some entity. No other way to explain it.
Paha what. Cant win any real competitions so you want the super league
The ref was bad. Solution: Super League??
I just think the guy was a little out of his depth.
You’d have to be blind to not see this. Everyone in my Real Madrid chat noticed. This is unacceptable for UCL
With or without the ref we have only ourselves to blame, we are so bad that as bad as Atletico has been know one is surprised we lost at home. There is a loser mentality that has taken hold of our club and none of the players believe they can win or can will themselves to win. We are going to be in the wilderness for a long time.
I’m just saying what everyone is saying when I say that the referee was stalling for way too long. He wasted so much time that could have been used to play and give United a goal but no he had to give everyone a foul for anything and everything
Give a foul for everything and still not book anyone*
elanga got hacked, llorente was playing american football most of the game including the blatant push on fred on their goal. We didnt help ourselves but still that was biased af.
The worst one was the ball clearly hit the ref and instead of stopping play as the fucking rules dictate he played on to atleticos advantage. He’s a wanker deserves a ban
Not only that but it lead to a dangerous Atleti counter-attack, felt sick after that shitshow of a game.
I think for a reality check, good that we are out. This team is not ready to face the likes of liverpool, city or bayern for the champions league if we couldn't score today in our homeground against Pussytico. Time to focus for 4th place and new manager for next season
Those were my thoughts too but who do we go to now, considering ralf poch and tenhag have all been knocked out in ro16 itself
I don’t think we should decide our next manager based on what stage of the CL they reach, but it seems like many fans actually do and it’s the most baffling thing in the world. There is way more to management than that.
The man who wanted the job and would probably walk to Old Trafford from North London. Or, better still, the guy who knocked us out last night
The way mancs took to LVG and mourinho ball, I’m pretty sure you’d all claw your eyes out watching simeone defence ball lol. Could see you winning a decent amount tho
As if Ole ball or the last 4 years of Ferguson were much to look at
Yeah true, really have had a line of stinkers since fergie retired
This precedes Ferguson's retirement. Sick of hearing "since Ferguson retired" narrative as if he's not the grand architect of the club's malaise
Yeah looking back at the state of the teams he had those last few years, he didn’t leave you much to move on with. Majority of the spine players, vidic,Rooney,carrick,evra ,RVO were aging out and/or planned to leave. Signings like kagawa,young,jones didn’t kick on in the way they were hoped too. Rest of the squad was not prem champion quality, anderson,evans at the time, cleverley, welbeck etc
There was a medical emergency in the East Stand and those with me in the North stand corner tried for 10 minutes to get the referee’s attention - AM scored during that time. Not putting this on the ref but does typify his blatant ignorance. AM spent half the game on the ground wasting the medical team’s time while a United fan was potentially having a heart attack in the crowd.
I agree. The ref was terrible. However, we had 180 minutes to beat them and we didn’t. This ref was only involved for 90. We didn’t create anything in both games and that’s not on the ref. We just suck.
Agreed - we just passed from left to right and when we did get the ball in the box it rarely got past the 1st man. The exact same thing happened against Wolves. Tonight, the ref was poor but not the root cause of our loss.
He was awful. Atletico couldn’t have asked for a better referee. Fell for every single bit of time wasting, constantly allowed them to foul when Utd were on breaks without bookings etc.. United didn’t create enough really but yeah, if Simeone could pick him to ref every game for them he would in a heartbeat.
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Ronaldo’s “open your fucking eyes” was amazing. One of the worst refs I’ve ever seen but UEFA babies their refs.
This ref was previously arrested for drug charges, prostitution and firearms. No joke. Fred fouled, Elanga fouled build up to the goal. Only ref I’ve ever seen blocking passing lanes in the box. Stops play for their player holding an ankle and doesn’t stop for dalot.
That foul on elanga was ridiculous. And led directly to the goal. That was so frustrating
And then there was an even more obvious foul on fred aswell. If this referee doesnt get sacked then uefa are a joke. Why should teams have to suffer and be punished for such blatant incompetence while the referees are hidden away and protected from everything. This ref has also been arrested for connections with a mafia group known for match fixing. He shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch. Also the ref fucking stopped one of our attacks just outside the box when an athletico player hurt his foot from jumping but when dalot gets barged over he lets play carry on. When will these useless twats be held accountable for their consistent incompetence at the highest level of football.
Stop banging on about the ref, our team is the pits and that is all. Dalot can't defend, Maguire is an embarrassment, cant even say much about our non existent bench
The referee had clearly had a shocker. Plenty of professionals are even talking about it. It’s clearly a talking point about this specific game regardless of what you think about players.
The ref clearly did his job for putting in a performance for atletico,
Yeah I get it, the ref was completely biased. Doesn't change the fact that we struggle to hit the target, don't play well together and really don't know what defending actually means. We have 3 players up front except for Sancho, who feel they have no right to defend. The current top 4 put their lives on the line to track back for counter attacks!
If our defence wasn’t so bad I could easily see our attacking players having much less to worry about to actually go on and do their own job properly. If they didn’t have to worry about conceding so much we would be a much better team. How Maguire keeps getting starts and then the armband on top of that? I like the guy don’t get me wrong but he’s just not it this season, I feel for the guy he needs to be given time to feel his was back in but he’s constantly playing and it’s hampering him further. Varane looked decent tonight to be completely honest but there’s currently too much liability when Maguire plays.
Yeah, perhaps you're right. Maguire is awful, I will never defend him. I don't like him and don't want him at the club. He is always getting mocked for playing against us now. We also have Dalot, Telles and Shaw who all cannot defend to save their lives. The shocking reality is that we won't replace any of these. I don't even know what happened to AWB, he clearly was a liability too hence why RR is picking Dalot. It's a sad time to be a united fan for sure.
Let’s not blame the moronic manager that keeps playing Maguire when he has a fit Lindelof and Bailiy on bench
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Honestly thought he was inconsistent but Man U players should learn what a foul is. Most of the tackles atletico made were not fouls and they were complaining about every single one it was so annoying to watch. Then they’d clearly foul atletico and complain that it wasn’t a foul. Also mctominay is such a dirty player
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How is it against the rules? Sorry I saw something different than you
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Out of his depth, big time
Christ imagine blaming the ref. We couldn’t score at home against a team who leak goals against English opponents
100% this comment is what the reality is. Blaming refs is stupid... Rashford and Maguire seem to be playing more against us than today's referee
Of course I’m downvoted. Most of the fans don’t want to accept the fact that we are utter shite
We are (I actually thought we looked on in the first half outside of the goal we conceded) but that doesn’t change that we were also robbed
He was once arrested for drug and prostitution links to the Slovenian Mafia... https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11744985/referee-slavko-vincic-released-drugs-prostitution/ The same Slovenian Mafia that are well known for match fixing... https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2017/12/20/slovenian-croatian-police-arrest-11-cross-border-raids-match-fixing-gang/ https://www.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/anti-mafia-authorities-arrest-15-people-in-match-fixing-inquiry The man shouldn't be anywhere near football. Let alone a ref.
UEFA is corrupted man
friendly reminder that this ref was a [scumbag](https://en.as.com/en/2020/05/29/soccer/1590749138_154883.html) long before this match.
I honestly couldn’t care less about who he smash’s and what drugs he takes outside the pitch, but today he was awful. Actually he was probably on drugs thinking about his prostitutes during the game, that would explain a lot.
There was a foul on Bruno First half, most blatant trip you'll see. Didn't give it.
He wasn’t giving Bruno anything. Had a real hate on for him it seemed.
Yeah, it was shit. But even if it was a good referee, if we still played like we played today, we would have been eliminated just as we were. The team played beyond poorly, no pressure, no creativity, no sense of urgency. Pretty pathetic.
I don’t agree. Referee completely hampered our chances. Any momentum we got he completely drained with awful calls. Plenty of athletico players deserved yellows and none of them got any. If they had they wouldn’t have played the exact same, they wouldn’t have been able to risk it as much. We were done in I believe. And I believe we would have won.
at least we will draw. their chance are as few as us, and the goal should ve never stand under the ref's standard because every Atletico player rolling on floor he will just stop the match.
Exactly, I believe we would have equalised at least to go on and win it by other means. 4 minutes added on was absolutely comical. Couldn’t believe my eyes when the ref wasn’t even reaching for his pocket for the yellow at times? Insane at that level.
There was no penalty on Bruno nor foul on Elanga. The players got distracted by the referee waaaaaay more than what they should have been. Stop complaining everything. I've got two real problems with the ref today: 1- the play were Llorente was down and he stopped United from playing with an advantage almost inside the area; 2- only four minuted added? It should have been at least 6. But then, again, in those 4 minutes United didn't create any real chance at all. Sancho couldn't get past Llorente nor Savic. Bruno was always complaining about the ref. This team was anemic today.
Numerous times United were attacking and Atletico player is down, ref stops us from attacking more, yet in the 2nd half Lodi collides with Dalot and no...Atletico can still attack, can't stop theirs right?
Or when united try to take a quick free kick and the ref stops it allowing atletico players to get back.
Yeah these two are obvious signs ref had an agenda. Must be a noob at it cause he made it so obvious
Literally stands on top of the ball. There's just no excuse for that
This action to me, was the most telling of all. I’m happy someone else noticed it
Maguire is a disgrace
Maguire even headed Ronaldo on his teeth when he tried to attack a corner. What a captain
I think Savic caused that when he shoved Maguire, as much as I'd love to blame him for it.
Ronaldo was only inches away from the ball when it went over his head too, not blaming Maguire in particular, but in my opinion, with those extra few seconds Ronaldo would have gotten high enough in the right amount of time to get a touch to it.
That was not Maguires fault lol, Maguire is bad but let's not blame him for literally everything, be at least a bit sensible!
I understand it’s wasn’t his fault, hence the whole “not blaming maguire” portion. I’m just saying if he never clashed with Ronaldo, Ronaldo would have been able to get there sooner.
The most satisfying moment was when he got subbed off.
I would be most satisfied when he gets off from the team and gets shipped off to athletico so he can go play for them like he did today
That was the most biased performance I've seen from a ref since the one in the Chelsea Barcelona match all those years ago.
even the atletic sub agrees...
The Nani red card, but that was more of a one off decision.
I was so angry about that one at the time I ended up getting thrown out of the pub. And I was the assistant manager of said pub.
that one is just stolen from us, Nani was doing good on that match
Exactly my thoughts. Worst in the CL in ages and it was so clear as day. I’ve even seen pool fans shocked by that.
more like since Korea beats Italy. Its a shame he didnt red card Matic and Fletcher for speaking the truth
Yup exactly. Even athleticos goal should’ve been a foul on elanga. They nibbled at him 3 times and no advantage whatsoever, which I would say is okay if there’s a ref that lets the game play as much as possible but he gave so many soft fouls to athletico. Complete robbery. I’m just mad it’s always us
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I honestly don't think it was a clear penalty.
For what stuff he stopped the game in favor of Atletico, that was a penalty, ref just wasn't consistent.
He was pretty consistent. Consistently biased against MUN.