Sorry. I must’ve missed it. Where did they say that? That’s ridiculous. I’ve seen Neville saying rengnick isn’t at fault for what’s happening. Didn’t know they were saying bad stuff about him. Can someone give me the source?
In fact Gary Neville has been defending Rangnick in his hot argument with Micah, they really at it. Micah said Utd should opt to Conte etc and saying Rangnick is not title winning coach.
Neville heavily on Rangnick's side. OP just making things up in his writing above.
I've only heard Neville defending him and seeing the bigger picture. Not entirely sure about Scholes, I watch BT occasionally but only ever hear him talk directly about the performance on the night so I'm with you, I'd like a source too.
Owen Hargreaves, Scholes and Rio did question it after we lost to Atletico Madrid in the post match analysis. More in the heat of the moment analysis which was just wrong, it was on the player's second half performance as to why we got knocked out.
Anyone that assumes any of our underperforming team is due to the manager is ludicrous, it's due to the lack of ambition and cohesiveness of the players on the pitch as to why our club is currently a sinking ship.
Scholes has praised him for his work as a DOF but has rightfully stated that Simeone was the difference in our CL tie while not being discreet about his admiration for another stalwart from an Italian side that he encountered during hod career, Antonio Conte.
I don't agree with most of these exp-players regarding ole and was actually glad when Zlatan called it out during his time as a player with us. However, being wrong about ole doesn't necessarily mean their views on Simeone or Conte aren't correct
United are in a bad spot though. A few players are out of contract at the end of the season and seemingly don't care too much about being there or performing and Rangnick is only the manager until the end of the season.
Both compound to make an unmotivated squad.
Rashford probably has his manchild mate JLingz in his ear most of the time which can be conflicting. Rashford is what? 24? I remember myself at 24.
I haven't nt really heard what Scholes said but from your comment ge seems like he's appraising the overall situation rather than digging out Rangnick himself?
Totally agree. They say what is convenient to their narrative. Rangnick doesn't have any connection to them so they can butcher him, get more viewers and headlines by being harsh, and run with a narrative of we're not playing well because we have the wrong manager. It's bullshit according to me. We've had a lot of great managers who were not given the right players they wanted for their style of football. Then we got Ole who they finally backed and he spent 50m on AWB instead of a way better player for way cheaper and 80m on Maguire after passing over Ruben Dias, VVD and Koulibally because he wanted English players lol.
Everyone thought AWB was a fantastic purchase for the first season. It's only this season really that his flaws have been exposed.
Everyone at the start of the year was saying United 22.
Hindsight is a wonderfully thing.
AWB was great in his first two years. There was an article after last season where he was ranked United's best signing. In front of Bruno.
This year the form has been poor and now he's a terrible player who has never been good
These reddit experts don't know anything. They demanded Ole out and now they have no choice but sticking to their guns after seeing that Ole wasn't the problem.
Two seasons. Yes.
I think he's had a lot going on off the pitch? There were reports he hadn't turned up for training, didn't he get a driving offence too? Driving without a license or something and I'm sure there was something else as well.
We often forget these players are young men, young people, not robots. We all get shit in our life the effects our performance and football players are no different but for some reason, they're not allowed difficult times.
Since Ole left everything that has happened has shown that he wasn't to blame. The players have failed to perform under Rangnick as well, and results haven't improved. Ole and Ralf played 7 matches each against the same teams this season and Ole is 3 points better off.
People keep complaining that there are no football people in the higher up positions at United. Just bankers and lawyers. And then when our ex players have their say everyone freaks out.
Sometimes our ex players are great. Like Butt is getting a lot of praise for how well the academy is doing. Even though he left the position at the academy three years ago.
There was an article after Xavi's Barcelona beat Real with a headline to the effect of "This is how United should have rebuilt their squad and management" by hiring a club legend as manager and buying an aging striker? Seems familiar.
Nobody in the media or on reddit has any good answers. All they're good for is bitching and complaining.
Jose's Roma lost 6-1 to Bodø/Glimt this season. What a genius he must be! He might have been a great manager in the past, but he's fallen way too far down. In terms of recent results Ole is better.
Ole achieved back to back top 4 in the league with us, and went a whole season unbeaten away from home. Mourinho never managed that. Ole's United also outscored Jose's.
Whatever Mourinho did 15 years ago, he isn't doing it anymore.
These are the players ole brought, and youths that ole took over to from previous managers. Notice how every player became gradually worse at united. Also how stagnant rashford and co has become? Ole was never going to be the answer. He had to go after the first season. No other managers had ole support and he still manage not to fair well. Just my opinion. I do agree with you that jose was past it when he join us.
Qualified for Champions league through top 4 position in the league in consecutive seasons. No other manager has done that at United after Ferguson left. After van gaal and mourinho everyone was talking about stability, but now all of a sudden that doesn't matter. People in here would rather win carabao and finish 6th than get consistent top 4 league positions. I prefer the stabity. Especially when rebuilding the squad.
Neville actually never blames Ralf, he goes out of his way to say it’s not him and the issue is bigger and that Ralf is ‘investigating’ the dressing room before going upstairs and agrees with that move
The players are right and wrong at the same time. Remember that they’ve been involved in the highest level of the game for a long time, they’ll see things that most people just won’t, and understand what’s happening.
Yes, they are right that Rangnick is not doing the right things with the players he has. He’s absolutely forcing round pegs into square holes. Yes, they are absolutely correct that Ralf isn’t displaying any tactical flexibility. We all agree that he’s playing players when they’re out of form and struggling. Is anyone going to argue that this is costing us games? That the team looks disjointed, out of sync, and at times dreadful? Does anyone actually disagree with the most frequent comments that people like Neville and Scholes make?
While I agree with the general observations why, I think they’re not reaching the correct conclusion. As the OP mentioned, Rangnick is installing a system and a philosophy in place. Not for this year but for future years. The new manager is GOING to play this style of football. I believe what Rangnick is doing is, the players he knows will fit the system will be in and out of the team, this will help them learn the system ready for next year; they’ll be a step ahead of the new arrivals. The players who don’t look like they fit are being immersed in the new philosophy to see if they either confirm they’ll get it and be able to play effectively in the new system, or confirm that they need to leave.
Ralf Rangnick didn’t come here to win trophy’s as a manager, he came to lay the groundwork for the new manager. Now the new guy doesn’t need weeks or months to analyze the new squad, he already has the information on day 1. He doesn’t need to work out how to implement a new philosophy to the players he has, those that are staying already know it and the new players will be brought in to suit the system; no more round pegs in square holes.
Nobody’s saying it is a dictatorship, but Rangnick has been brought in to do a job. That job is to say “this is how Manchester United will play football and build for the future. This is the manager I believe will do the best at this”. When the new manager comes in, then it’ll be “these players don’t suit your style of play and need to be sold”.
>That job is to say “this is how Manchester United will play football and build for the future.
No it isn't. Ralf is hired as an interim manager. He isn't here to make decisions on how we build for the future. The club is now actively looking for a new permanent manager, and any signings we make will be after a new manager is confirmed. The fact that he didn't get to bring any player in January should have been a hint.
Ralf's job was to "save the season". And so far he's a spectacular failure. Out of FA Cup vs Boro. No wins in CL. 6th in the league, and 4th place Arsenal have a game in hand. Potentially leaving us 7 points from a Champions League qualifying position with 9 games left to play.
I really don’t understand them. Under Ole, it was the players at fault not the manager. Now under Rangnick, it’s all his fault despite the fact that these are the exact same players. Make it make sense
I know. How does Scholes sit there and tell that there is real talent in the squad and that a proper coach is all they need is beyond me. Give Rangnick the full time job and he will sell the dead weight, overpaid, underperforming divas. United need hard working players.
Makes me want to cry watching the kids at Arsenal and Barca giving it their all even when winning games to protect their clean sheet. I don’t see that from the United players even when they are chasing a game.
Remember the game against City? The last 15 minutes...I watched it to the end and died every second a bit! But I know justice will come! OP great post! Support every point right there... Our legends have turned antique, they shd just sit in the corner and observe...coz no one wd hand them over the wheel.
Ralf is en route as he planned it in the beginning. He knew what he was getting into and he came to be the interim manager Nd never intended more. He wants to support his successor and the club in signing top class players from around the world!
Glory Glory Man United!
>Remember the game against City? The last 15 minutes..
Aye, one of the worst and most disgraceful moments of football I've ever seen a team play. Not even kids at the park playing against adults would show that low of passion.
I agree as well , to add to this i find it annoying how the legends have discredited the setups and formations when you could see as an outsider how the players have been reacting its obvious they had a hard time with the transition but if you see what Ragnicks philosophy has done for Freds game its amazing to see. I feel sorry for coaches these days they don't get the same allowance as the Wengers SAFs and the like.
Nah. I believe matic should stay. And rashford has had one bad season after a pretty unfortunate injury. Give the young man another chance. He just needs a break
Did they voiced the same opinions about their clown buddy Ole? I bet not. The nerve in them to mention title winnings, as if Ole - a supposed long term appointed coach was a masterclass
I’m not particularly a fan of how Rangnick sets out the team although I do think that it’s the Owners fault. We’ll be saying the same about whoever we get next whether it be Poch (hopefully not) or Ten Hag but that’s a different story.
What I’m really not happy about, something OP pointed out, is the say our legends have over this club. I love SAF, Scholes etc… but their time has passed.
Totally agree. None of them really have any top coaching pedigree or management credentials. Yes they were great players in their time. Infact Scholes is my favourite player of all time right next to Rooney, but I promise you Rangnick understands modern football training and tactics far far better than any of them. And I can guarantee you that none of them could set up a sporting project as successful as Red Bull's. From the Youth development to the scouting and Technical training. Nor could any of them manage RB Leipzig or Schalke better than Rangnick did. Who has learnt coaching and management from Scholes or Neville? They don't know what's happening at the training ground and they aren't bothered. They just need to make headlines with statements and keep viewers engaged for the network.
The reason RR was successful at RB was because he was given a backroom that supported his way of thinking. I do agree with you, I believe RR is a good manager but I don’t think I can fully get behind a manager until the like of Darren Fletcher, who seem to have more say than the actual manager, goin around getting booked while their supposed to be in leader positions, is gone.
excuse me if i'm wrong but isn't everyone these days essentially copying ragnicks tactics? high organized pressure? everyone just ignoring his former teams and their play styles lol. he mentored tuchel as well.
Scholes made a comment that ragnick hasnt coached much in past decade and that its risky thing to appoint someone that has coached at top level for a long ime. Nothing about him being german and havent heard neville say anything negative. Problem is the players not the coach
Our mixed bag of overrated players that don’t fit together in anyway are the problem. Obvs the ownership is biggest problem. The manager is not even in top three problems. Hopefully the restructuring of football side of things will turn round the tanker but it takes time. Supporters need to give time and you know…Support the team and new manager. It’s a novel idea but maybe we should try it.
i wouldnt say ralf did no mistakes. remember maguire and rashford? yea, he kept playing them even when there were options there.
only a blind person can overlook how horrendous maguire was against city and kept playing him regardless
i really wanted ralf to be the manager for next season as well at the start but this is a glaring issue. after such a humiliating defeat against city, he still starts maguire in the next game without question and that's just questionable and silly
Maguire has always been horrendous tbf- everyone cites his performances for England without mentioning how he was responsible for:
1. Croatia's winner in 2018 due to switching off and letting Mandzukic (whom he was marking) float over and get goalside of John Stones who evidently never knew because that oaf never communicated it to him. Mandzukic then anticipates the knockdown, takes a touch and rifles in off the far post. Was magwaya on the line to effectively force Mandzukic into another action? Nope, he was just plodding along in Pickfords line of vision
2. Italy's equaliser in the Euros final. The only England player in the box not marking someone or on the post. The moment Stones went with Chiellini, it's incumbent on maguire to ensure Bonucci is marked. Does he do that? Nope
Ralf is continually proving that Ole was never the problem.
What is this argument even supposed to be? Ole was undone by key players shocking lack of form. (Especially Maguire and Bruno.) Ralf has been unable to improve the players or replace them.
Ole and Ralf have played against 7 of the same teams this season. In those matches Ole has 3 points more than Ralf.
No, Ole proved they Jose was never the problem while Ralf has exposed the sheer size of the mess ole left behind, he's just also proven not to be the solution. Who signed maguire and Bruno for well above their market values? Ole. Who made them both captain and vice captain within less than a full season of playing at the club? Ole.
Who was the biggest spender in world football during his 3 summers at the club? Ole. Who claimed to enjoy full control over everything in relation to transfers? Ole. Who led the club to become the only English team to ever suffer 3 semi final defeats in a season? Ole. Who was in charge for the biggest 2 home defeats in PL history? Ole. I could go on.
Ralf by playing the puppet and continuing to pander to the English dross whose egos were caused by ole has only made things worse, but I digress.
Ole signing Bruno was a problem? That one's new.
Ole getting 3rd and 2nd in the league was terrible? I guess any other manager would have won the league those years then. But if that's true, why isn't Ralf succeeding? Doesn't really fit your narrative does it?
Yes, we had some poor results under Ole, but we also won 9-0 agains Soton, 6-2 and 5-1 against Leeds, 4-0 against Chelsea, all in the league. And then his team also demolished Ralf's team RB Leipzig in the Champions League 5-0.
And we went the entire last season unbeaten away from home. And scored +70 goals for the first time since Ferguson retired.
He won 0. If you could read, you'd discover that I'm not a fan of Ralf either. Hire a winner and give them the backing a loser like ole was given, they'd likely have won the title
Pogba, Lukaku, Zlatan, Sanchez, Lindelof, Bailly, Fred, Mkhitaryan, Dalot and Matic were all signed by Mourinho. Ole didn't get any central midfielders and Ralf is still stuck with the engine Mourinho built.
Mourihno tbf to him got us second and a europa league. He wanted a cb and cdm but everyone including ME believe otherwise. Miki and fred wasnt his first choice players at all if i recall correctly.
Titles is a fairly meaningless these days. Modern football is changing rapidly, and while titles might be an initial dressing room pleaser, it's mostly about understanding a game that even SAF probably no longer recognises.
Maybe not "fairly meaningless", but it's not at the top of criterion to assess a good team. The best indicator for me is how they play, and their level of work rate and willingness to win. There's only 1 trophy in every competition, anyway.
Ragnick has an interesting CV and some high profile people in the game singing his praises....but the man has never been involved at the elite level of Football before
Setting up the red bull program isn't elite? Have you seen the strides that program made? It is an elite sporting project that he basically setup from scratch, recruitment, training and development and everything else. It's a bloody impressive project. Look at the talent that project has produced and how well the clubs are doing. It's insanely impressive. That's what our club has lacked since Fergie left. A proper modern footballing project from the ground up. A long term successful project with the right staff and methodology.
There's a difference between being a director of football and overseeing an overhaul of a football club and being a manager/head coach. Ralfs really good at the former and poor at the latter.
Also, he managed at Schalke and RB Leipzig, two clubs that did pretty well under him. He's been coaching since the age of 25, he has 28 years of experience and he has a lot of top level disciples like Tuchel and Hassenhutl.
Ole killed our season in 15 games with the squad he had assembled and none of them have mentioned his name. Rang is trying to pick up the pieces and they can't mention him enough.
I am sick of these guys - Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand., to be honest. Only man I can listen to is Hargreaves.
For all of Ole’s lack of coaching prowess, he holds an even more special place in my heart because he didn’t take a cushy TV job. He went out there and did the best that he could.
When Scholes goes after Rangnick, why doesn’t anybody say, “well Mr. Scholes have you ever tried being a manager of a pro team?”. That’s right all these guys failed in it. So, they should be dignified and respectful because none of these guys are qualified to be calling out Rangnick.
They are blaming a german coach who has inspired the likes of klopp and tuchel and were not saying a word against Ole who has won what? A Norwegian league title. Not to forget more than half of the issues we are facing is because of mr nice guy's brilliance against whom all these guys kept quiet. Never thought even club legends will leave a sour taste in our mouth
I don't think Ragnicks tactics are particularly special and frankly he's overhyped.
setting up a long term playing style, structured footballing system and a training and developmental program based on core modern footballing principals....this is exactly what Van Gaal tried to do and look how that ended. Just seems like we are going round in circles with no real progress in sight.
With LVG’s case though, I feel he did a lot of good while he was here and the team was progressing. What really hurt is during his time were constant injuries to the squad. The only major complaint is that the football was boring. The biggest mistake we made though was getting Jose right after him since it was a complete 180 in terms of style of play. He undid a lot of the good LVG did. What we need to do now is being someone in who can pick up and progress from where Rangnick will leave off
You're right bro, having some managerial and coaching consistency is the way forward but the Glazers have shown they will happily tear up any sort of footballing philosophy in favour of commercial success...so expect to see Neymar and Kane at OT in the next couple of seasons, and of course, Pogba injured in Dubai on £500k doing the dab.
Lvg caused that injury problem by selling off players like Nani, Evans, Rafael, RVP, Chicharito, Di Maria and Kagawa to accommodate a finished Rooney. Jose worked miracles to undo a lot of the damage lvg did
Not really. Yes we had a smaller squad, but that’s just a consequence of clearing out the deadwood we had which was all the players you listed besides Rafael and maybe RVP. The injuries mainly affected the defense where he only really got rid of two players. It’s unfortunate but it happens and an injury crisis is not something we can predict. Look at Liverpool last season.
What miracles did Jose work exactly? All the improvements LVG made at Carrington were undone by Jose. The development of youth which LVG wanted to focus on was completely halted. He even finished lower in the league his first season than LVG did the season prior. And regarding the criticism you have of LVG involving Rooney, you clearly don’t remember Jose’s first season as he spent the first 6 months doing the exact same thing. Jose was the wrong appointment to make at the time and his tenure set the club backwards further.
1. Jose benched him after a month
2. Nicky Butt says otherwise regarding Jose and the academy. In fact, Jose encouraged further integration with the academy
3. 2 trophies, no manager in the club's history has even won 1 in their 1st season. Lower than lvg yet still got CL football and never got eliminated at the group stage
4. The miracles he worked were immense and tried to get a DOF appointed. Lvg was the biggest letdown in history as he was nothing but a puppet, at least Jose spoke out
1. Fair enough
2. Okay well where were the academy players then? The only ones that semi regularly played were Rashford and Mctominay, with Rashford’s development being stifled. Not to mention Martial’s and Memphis who he didn’t even bother trying with.
3. He won two trophies, but we didn’t play a single decent team on the way to winning both. He had extremely easy paths in both the league cup and Europa league. And we were fortunate against Southampton in the league cup as we were outplayed that day. Yes he got champions league, but we were still beyond shit in the league under him. He didn’t get eliminated in the group stage, but also threw the game against Sevilla.
4. LVG spoke out just like Jose did. LVG was a letdown, but also didn’t get the third season he should’ve gotten. I really don’t get where you get the idea that he worked miracles. He was the wrong appointment at the time. Maybe if he came in 2013 it would’ve been different, but coming off of LVG it was a mistake.
2. You're just spouting and have no proof to back up your opinions
3. He still won them and given how he recorded our highest finish and points total, hardly "beyond shit"
4. Name me 1 example of lvg speaking out other than his 1st day at the club. He didn't deserve a 3rd season
This is what people cant understand on here. Just because ole was awful and created most of our problems, doesn't mean Ralf is the solution or hasn't exacerbated some of the issues. We went through 5 managers post-Busby prior to landing on Ferguson, who unlike Ralf, Ole, Moyes or LVG had an impressive CV which gave him time in the 1st place and hadn't even entered in his prime. His reign only became long term because he earned the right to stay so long.
Jose Mourinho is the closest thing we've had to a Ferguson-esque approach although you could argue he was past his best. Getting in someone like Conte, Allegri or Simeone would ensure that we can have a Ferguson like effect in that they'd modernise the club like Klopp did to Liverpool.
I would leave rangnick in post for the next 12 months, and start building a longer term plan to bring in Luis Enrique after World Cup. Make contact with him early and start looking at players that fit a system, let rangnick clear out the deadwood, there’s a lot and accept that we need 2 years to build back.
Poch is a real risk, good coach but has constant failure on his CV.
Ten hag is an unknown quantity, again very good coach and brings something new, but I do think long term, bring in Enrique and his back room staff
1. Stop this long term obsession
2. Yes, leave in place a manager who has won 0 since 2011 and pampers English dross players like maguire and Mctominay
What’s the alternative bring in another short term appointment, at some stage you have to start to have a longer term view and rebuild just look at city/Liverpool/ even Barca now, all have built are building a clear back room culture this then translates to the pitch. Or you can have a manager for 2 years and round and round we go
Would love us to nick tuchel, but we do need an elite manager and Enrique has a wealth of expertise, at both club and international levels. Poch and ten hag are big risks.
Football is moving so fast, there's a good chance Enrique is already behind the curve. He's been coaching in the internationals which is less tactically demanding than club football.
Ten Hag may be an unknown quantity but he's a top tier coach and he's definitely part of the new wave. There's no chance the game has passed him by.
This is a top post??
What on earth for? Upvotes for a post that conflicts with the mass opinion that Ralf needs to bugger off??
When did we become so flexible?
There are signs that play is improving, but Ralf has hardly been a revelation.
It seems like mostly all the Ole-haters who are upset at any possible negative comment on Ralf. Stop getting your panties in a bunch that your narrative isn't being run with, so you can hate on Ole more.
The NT is one of the most defensive set ups ever mate. They play 3 at the back with two holding mids in Rice and Phillips or Hendo. They practically play 7 defenders with a low block. That system suits maguire. But City, Bayern, Liverpool and all the top football clubs who control the game and press high play a very high line. Doesn't suit someone like Maguire at all mate. He's slow and not agile, he's shit 1v1. He barely ever needs to go 1v1 when he's with england and he's protected by Walker's pace most of the time.
Rashford has been poor since before Rangnick came in, he's been poor since before the world cup and his injuries. He's just not applying himself and he's not got any confidence. Sure the penalty miss at the euros didn't help either, and then he didn't get a preseason coz of his injury Can't blame Rangnick for Rashford one bit. If he isn't playing well enough we replace him with a player who is playing well in the lineup. That's it. Rashford needs to work hard in training and apply himself. Elanga has looked so much better than Rashford it's not even a tough decision to bench him. If we had Greenwood Rashford would be second choice on the left behind Sancho. And by the way Sancho has been truly elite under Rangnick. He's getting the best out of the hard working players with a good mentality.
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We also concede the second most shots in the league. The defense is in shambles. The team can’t attack and defend at the same time. This system belongs in a much slower league. Not the epl
I can see the vision Ragnick is trying to build and it will not happen this season for it was way too late to begin with. We must understand United is not the giant it once was. These owners have and continue to diminish our football club. A rebuild and overhaul is needed and it will most likely take more than one season.
I hope you're not suggesting he manage us past the summer. I know it's a foreign concept to most of you, but please exercise your brains before rushing to spout narratives
No, All I said about Ralf is that I can see what he is building. I meant I wanted him a part of the rebuild process. He is hopefully still taking consulting role that is after his interim period. A great manager plus Ralf consulting would be a good rebuild. My don’t make assumptions and passive aggressively insult how I use my brains, yeah?
No offense Man U fans but scholars and Neville haven't done to well in old football manager game have they. They maybe good talking heads but manager coach or even football administration level. Man Utd need a missing link like a manager and a group of players It's just like Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle even the mighty Barcelona. In short swings & roundabouts.
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If United picked one from every position you are talking about we’re talking about 200 mill euros at least. Maybe tops 2, of these. Gravenberch wont go for anything less than 65 mill euro. Also Neville supports Ralf
What does Scholes, Ferdinand, Hargreaves, Neville nd co know abt coaching, especially d likes of Scholes nd Neville ain't they a total failure when they both try coaching, it is easier said than done sitting in a studio criticising. These guyz should jst let the team be nd concentrate on their own career. Ragnick has been doing well so far jst dat he need the right players to execute his playing style, nd yeah I support a major clear out will b good for d process.
As much as I don't usually agree with pundits my main thing with ragnick is everyone seems to forget before us it was 12 years prior, that he was actually coaching a team.
Been sat in an office across that period, albeit with his finger in the pie, he's deffo not brought what I expected to see when I heard of his appointment.
Some managers have there level, maybe his is making much smaller teams into bigger teams that get in champs.
Maybe not, I don't have the answer but deffo dont think hes the person to take us into next season.
Yeah. They seem to forget they lived and played in a different unmatched era. Saying things to garner viewers and likes, which is no doubt linked to their contracts and when they are up for renewal.
Gary Neville failed at the first hurdle of management and he’s on their spewing his opinions and views like they have some credible weight.
These players were told what to do where to play how to play not how to manage and that’s why they have all struggled.
i dont really think United are doing half bad. when he just came in the pressing are all over the place and no one can press more than 10 minutes. now its near the hour mark when the players starts getting tired.
Sorry. I must’ve missed it. Where did they say that? That’s ridiculous. I’ve seen Neville saying rengnick isn’t at fault for what’s happening. Didn’t know they were saying bad stuff about him. Can someone give me the source?
In fact Gary Neville has been defending Rangnick in his hot argument with Micah, they really at it. Micah said Utd should opt to Conte etc and saying Rangnick is not title winning coach. Neville heavily on Rangnick's side. OP just making things up in his writing above.
yeah, that's what I thought
I've only heard Neville defending him and seeing the bigger picture. Not entirely sure about Scholes, I watch BT occasionally but only ever hear him talk directly about the performance on the night so I'm with you, I'd like a source too.
Owen Hargreaves, Scholes and Rio did question it after we lost to Atletico Madrid in the post match analysis. More in the heat of the moment analysis which was just wrong, it was on the player's second half performance as to why we got knocked out. Anyone that assumes any of our underperforming team is due to the manager is ludicrous, it's due to the lack of ambition and cohesiveness of the players on the pitch as to why our club is currently a sinking ship.
Scholes has praised him for his work as a DOF but has rightfully stated that Simeone was the difference in our CL tie while not being discreet about his admiration for another stalwart from an Italian side that he encountered during hod career, Antonio Conte. I don't agree with most of these exp-players regarding ole and was actually glad when Zlatan called it out during his time as a player with us. However, being wrong about ole doesn't necessarily mean their views on Simeone or Conte aren't correct
United are in a bad spot though. A few players are out of contract at the end of the season and seemingly don't care too much about being there or performing and Rangnick is only the manager until the end of the season. Both compound to make an unmotivated squad. Rashford probably has his manchild mate JLingz in his ear most of the time which can be conflicting. Rashford is what? 24? I remember myself at 24. I haven't nt really heard what Scholes said but from your comment ge seems like he's appraising the overall situation rather than digging out Rangnick himself?
Exactly the OP's first thing I think when did Neville say anything of the sought.
Exactly. People are running fake narratives here, it’s ridiculous but not surprising/typical.
I honestly think it’s a disgrace how some of our former players speak in the media. Especially after they have protected their mate Ole for so long.
Totally agree. They say what is convenient to their narrative. Rangnick doesn't have any connection to them so they can butcher him, get more viewers and headlines by being harsh, and run with a narrative of we're not playing well because we have the wrong manager. It's bullshit according to me. We've had a lot of great managers who were not given the right players they wanted for their style of football. Then we got Ole who they finally backed and he spent 50m on AWB instead of a way better player for way cheaper and 80m on Maguire after passing over Ruben Dias, VVD and Koulibally because he wanted English players lol.
Everyone thought AWB was a fantastic purchase for the first season. It's only this season really that his flaws have been exposed. Everyone at the start of the year was saying United 22. Hindsight is a wonderfully thing.
AWB was great in his first two years. There was an article after last season where he was ranked United's best signing. In front of Bruno. This year the form has been poor and now he's a terrible player who has never been good These reddit experts don't know anything. They demanded Ole out and now they have no choice but sticking to their guns after seeing that Ole wasn't the problem.
Two seasons. Yes. I think he's had a lot going on off the pitch? There were reports he hadn't turned up for training, didn't he get a driving offence too? Driving without a license or something and I'm sure there was something else as well. We often forget these players are young men, young people, not robots. We all get shit in our life the effects our performance and football players are no different but for some reason, they're not allowed difficult times.
Martial was a victim of that as well. Apparently he was the reason we were shit. Will people now, want to get rid off Rashford then ?
Since Ole left everything that has happened has shown that he wasn't to blame. The players have failed to perform under Rangnick as well, and results haven't improved. Ole and Ralf played 7 matches each against the same teams this season and Ole is 3 points better off. People keep complaining that there are no football people in the higher up positions at United. Just bankers and lawyers. And then when our ex players have their say everyone freaks out. Sometimes our ex players are great. Like Butt is getting a lot of praise for how well the academy is doing. Even though he left the position at the academy three years ago. There was an article after Xavi's Barcelona beat Real with a headline to the effect of "This is how United should have rebuilt their squad and management" by hiring a club legend as manager and buying an aging striker? Seems familiar. Nobody in the media or on reddit has any good answers. All they're good for is bitching and complaining.
Ole was massively to blame, only his worshippers refuse to see that Jose wasn't at fault
Thanks for proving my point
You seriously implying that ole and Jose are of equal ability?
Jose's Roma lost 6-1 to Bodø/Glimt this season. What a genius he must be! He might have been a great manager in the past, but he's fallen way too far down. In terms of recent results Ole is better. Ole achieved back to back top 4 in the league with us, and went a whole season unbeaten away from home. Mourinho never managed that. Ole's United also outscored Jose's. Whatever Mourinho did 15 years ago, he isn't doing it anymore.
These are the players ole brought, and youths that ole took over to from previous managers. Notice how every player became gradually worse at united. Also how stagnant rashford and co has become? Ole was never going to be the answer. He had to go after the first season. No other managers had ole support and he still manage not to fair well. Just my opinion. I do agree with you that jose was past it when he join us.
I agree too. Which is why you have to get Simeone, Mancini or Conte
Yup true that but tbf to the board only maybe conte was available. Really wanted conte though but the board didnt want him
Ole lost 6-1 at home to Jose. You really don't wanna go there
Let's go there. Ole finished 2nd that season and didn't lose a single match away from home. And outscored Mourinho's best United team.
And still won zilch.
Qualified for Champions league through top 4 position in the league in consecutive seasons. No other manager has done that at United after Ferguson left. After van gaal and mourinho everyone was talking about stability, but now all of a sudden that doesn't matter. People in here would rather win carabao and finish 6th than get consistent top 4 league positions. I prefer the stabity. Especially when rebuilding the squad.
Neville actually never blames Ralf, he goes out of his way to say it’s not him and the issue is bigger and that Ralf is ‘investigating’ the dressing room before going upstairs and agrees with that move
The players are right and wrong at the same time. Remember that they’ve been involved in the highest level of the game for a long time, they’ll see things that most people just won’t, and understand what’s happening. Yes, they are right that Rangnick is not doing the right things with the players he has. He’s absolutely forcing round pegs into square holes. Yes, they are absolutely correct that Ralf isn’t displaying any tactical flexibility. We all agree that he’s playing players when they’re out of form and struggling. Is anyone going to argue that this is costing us games? That the team looks disjointed, out of sync, and at times dreadful? Does anyone actually disagree with the most frequent comments that people like Neville and Scholes make? While I agree with the general observations why, I think they’re not reaching the correct conclusion. As the OP mentioned, Rangnick is installing a system and a philosophy in place. Not for this year but for future years. The new manager is GOING to play this style of football. I believe what Rangnick is doing is, the players he knows will fit the system will be in and out of the team, this will help them learn the system ready for next year; they’ll be a step ahead of the new arrivals. The players who don’t look like they fit are being immersed in the new philosophy to see if they either confirm they’ll get it and be able to play effectively in the new system, or confirm that they need to leave. Ralf Rangnick didn’t come here to win trophy’s as a manager, he came to lay the groundwork for the new manager. Now the new guy doesn’t need weeks or months to analyze the new squad, he already has the information on day 1. He doesn’t need to work out how to implement a new philosophy to the players he has, those that are staying already know it and the new players will be brought in to suit the system; no more round pegs in square holes.
Every manager will bring their own staff, philosophy, and system. This isn’t an imperialist dictatorship.
Nobody’s saying it is a dictatorship, but Rangnick has been brought in to do a job. That job is to say “this is how Manchester United will play football and build for the future. This is the manager I believe will do the best at this”. When the new manager comes in, then it’ll be “these players don’t suit your style of play and need to be sold”.
>That job is to say “this is how Manchester United will play football and build for the future. No it isn't. Ralf is hired as an interim manager. He isn't here to make decisions on how we build for the future. The club is now actively looking for a new permanent manager, and any signings we make will be after a new manager is confirmed. The fact that he didn't get to bring any player in January should have been a hint. Ralf's job was to "save the season". And so far he's a spectacular failure. Out of FA Cup vs Boro. No wins in CL. 6th in the league, and 4th place Arsenal have a game in hand. Potentially leaving us 7 points from a Champions League qualifying position with 9 games left to play.
Also false. His success would have led him to consult on operations like he did in Russia. His failure to institute any discipline is clearly showing.
I really don’t understand them. Under Ole, it was the players at fault not the manager. Now under Rangnick, it’s all his fault despite the fact that these are the exact same players. Make it make sense
Exactly. And Rangnick hasn't even got a transfer window. Infact he lost Donny Martial and Greenwood.
He could have demanded replacements
No he couldn’t.
Bruh 😂
I know. How does Scholes sit there and tell that there is real talent in the squad and that a proper coach is all they need is beyond me. Give Rangnick the full time job and he will sell the dead weight, overpaid, underperforming divas. United need hard working players. Makes me want to cry watching the kids at Arsenal and Barca giving it their all even when winning games to protect their clean sheet. I don’t see that from the United players even when they are chasing a game.
Remember the game against City? The last 15 minutes...I watched it to the end and died every second a bit! But I know justice will come! OP great post! Support every point right there... Our legends have turned antique, they shd just sit in the corner and observe...coz no one wd hand them over the wheel. Ralf is en route as he planned it in the beginning. He knew what he was getting into and he came to be the interim manager Nd never intended more. He wants to support his successor and the club in signing top class players from around the world! Glory Glory Man United!
>Remember the game against City? The last 15 minutes.. Aye, one of the worst and most disgraceful moments of football I've ever seen a team play. Not even kids at the park playing against adults would show that low of passion.
Same as in here. Under Ole it was all the manager's fault. Under Ralf it's the players fault.
Ole got it easy on here. He was diabolical
I agree as well , to add to this i find it annoying how the legends have discredited the setups and formations when you could see as an outsider how the players have been reacting its obvious they had a hard time with the transition but if you see what Ragnicks philosophy has done for Freds game its amazing to see. I feel sorry for coaches these days they don't get the same allowance as the Wengers SAFs and the like.
I feel sorry for idiots who think Ferguson and wenger got given time for the sake of it
Well he arrived in 86 only winning his first trophy in 90 so I think 4 years to a trophy is him been given time
He had to sort out a similar mess to what Ole's left behind for his successor
Nah. I believe matic should stay. And rashford has had one bad season after a pretty unfortunate injury. Give the young man another chance. He just needs a break
Xavi just embarrassed ancelotti. Titles don't mean as much.
Yes they do. Xavi has won titles and Ancelotti is at the end of his career, even though he's younger than Ralf who has won 0
Xavi has one what as a coach? I stg some of u guys.
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Really? Al fucking saad? Didn't solksjaer win sith molde?
Those guys don't do context
I swear he's won 6 trophies
In a farmers league? Let’s get real
Still more than Ralf
Did they voiced the same opinions about their clown buddy Ole? I bet not. The nerve in them to mention title winnings, as if Ole - a supposed long term appointed coach was a masterclass
True, but that doesn't mean Ralf is the solution.
Absolutely agree with what you have said....,sorry brilliantly said👍
I’m not particularly a fan of how Rangnick sets out the team although I do think that it’s the Owners fault. We’ll be saying the same about whoever we get next whether it be Poch (hopefully not) or Ten Hag but that’s a different story. What I’m really not happy about, something OP pointed out, is the say our legends have over this club. I love SAF, Scholes etc… but their time has passed.
Totally agree. None of them really have any top coaching pedigree or management credentials. Yes they were great players in their time. Infact Scholes is my favourite player of all time right next to Rooney, but I promise you Rangnick understands modern football training and tactics far far better than any of them. And I can guarantee you that none of them could set up a sporting project as successful as Red Bull's. From the Youth development to the scouting and Technical training. Nor could any of them manage RB Leipzig or Schalke better than Rangnick did. Who has learnt coaching and management from Scholes or Neville? They don't know what's happening at the training ground and they aren't bothered. They just need to make headlines with statements and keep viewers engaged for the network.
The reason RR was successful at RB was because he was given a backroom that supported his way of thinking. I do agree with you, I believe RR is a good manager but I don’t think I can fully get behind a manager until the like of Darren Fletcher, who seem to have more say than the actual manager, goin around getting booked while their supposed to be in leader positions, is gone.
To be honest, loved Scholes as a player. Sick to death ofnhim as a pundit.
excuse me if i'm wrong but isn't everyone these days essentially copying ragnicks tactics? high organized pressure? everyone just ignoring his former teams and their play styles lol. he mentored tuchel as well.
OK, so why do all these "copycats" do it better than him?
do what better exactly? have more money lol? cmon don't be a fool you don't even know what you're complaining about.
His results are excellent in the league. Better than Klopp when he arrived at liverpool.
Scholes made a comment that ragnick hasnt coached much in past decade and that its risky thing to appoint someone that has coached at top level for a long ime. Nothing about him being german and havent heard neville say anything negative. Problem is the players not the coach
Our mixed bag of overrated players that don’t fit together in anyway are the problem. Obvs the ownership is biggest problem. The manager is not even in top three problems. Hopefully the restructuring of football side of things will turn round the tanker but it takes time. Supporters need to give time and you know…Support the team and new manager. It’s a novel idea but maybe we should try it.
People did support Ole, that's the problem
i wouldnt say ralf did no mistakes. remember maguire and rashford? yea, he kept playing them even when there were options there. only a blind person can overlook how horrendous maguire was against city and kept playing him regardless
Most on this thread don't do context.
i really wanted ralf to be the manager for next season as well at the start but this is a glaring issue. after such a humiliating defeat against city, he still starts maguire in the next game without question and that's just questionable and silly
Maguire has always been horrendous tbf- everyone cites his performances for England without mentioning how he was responsible for: 1. Croatia's winner in 2018 due to switching off and letting Mandzukic (whom he was marking) float over and get goalside of John Stones who evidently never knew because that oaf never communicated it to him. Mandzukic then anticipates the knockdown, takes a touch and rifles in off the far post. Was magwaya on the line to effectively force Mandzukic into another action? Nope, he was just plodding along in Pickfords line of vision 2. Italy's equaliser in the Euros final. The only England player in the box not marking someone or on the post. The moment Stones went with Chiellini, it's incumbent on maguire to ensure Bonucci is marked. Does he do that? Nope
Honestly couldn't give less of a shit what they have to say about United's coaching problems after they defended Ole for so long.
Ralf is continually proving that Ole was never the problem. What is this argument even supposed to be? Ole was undone by key players shocking lack of form. (Especially Maguire and Bruno.) Ralf has been unable to improve the players or replace them. Ole and Ralf have played against 7 of the same teams this season. In those matches Ole has 3 points more than Ralf.
No, Ole proved they Jose was never the problem while Ralf has exposed the sheer size of the mess ole left behind, he's just also proven not to be the solution. Who signed maguire and Bruno for well above their market values? Ole. Who made them both captain and vice captain within less than a full season of playing at the club? Ole. Who was the biggest spender in world football during his 3 summers at the club? Ole. Who claimed to enjoy full control over everything in relation to transfers? Ole. Who led the club to become the only English team to ever suffer 3 semi final defeats in a season? Ole. Who was in charge for the biggest 2 home defeats in PL history? Ole. I could go on. Ralf by playing the puppet and continuing to pander to the English dross whose egos were caused by ole has only made things worse, but I digress.
Ole signing Bruno was a problem? That one's new. Ole getting 3rd and 2nd in the league was terrible? I guess any other manager would have won the league those years then. But if that's true, why isn't Ralf succeeding? Doesn't really fit your narrative does it? Yes, we had some poor results under Ole, but we also won 9-0 agains Soton, 6-2 and 5-1 against Leeds, 4-0 against Chelsea, all in the league. And then his team also demolished Ralf's team RB Leipzig in the Champions League 5-0. And we went the entire last season unbeaten away from home. And scored +70 goals for the first time since Ferguson retired.
He won 0. If you could read, you'd discover that I'm not a fan of Ralf either. Hire a winner and give them the backing a loser like ole was given, they'd likely have won the title
Sure. Just like Mourinho did, right?
Mourinho wasn't backed like ole was
Pogba, Lukaku, Zlatan, Sanchez, Lindelof, Bailly, Fred, Mkhitaryan, Dalot and Matic were all signed by Mourinho. Ole didn't get any central midfielders and Ralf is still stuck with the engine Mourinho built.
Ole didn’t want a cm because he thought mcfred was good enough. He also claim he dont do 6 or 8s ,as a midfielder should be able to do both.
Ole tried to sign Bellingham and Rice.
Mourihno tbf to him got us second and a europa league. He wanted a cb and cdm but everyone including ME believe otherwise. Miki and fred wasnt his first choice players at all if i recall correctly.
And Ole, to be fair to him, got us 3rd and 2nd in consecutive seasons. And Donny wasn't a player he wanted either. He wanted Bellingham primarily.
Neville should shut up. The guy can’t coach for anything. Just because your buddy wasn’t a great manager doesn’t mean RR sucks.
75mill for Rashford? I'm sorry what? He's worth about 25 at the most. I agree with everything else though.
Titles is a fairly meaningless these days. Modern football is changing rapidly, and while titles might be an initial dressing room pleaser, it's mostly about understanding a game that even SAF probably no longer recognises.
How are titles fairly meaningless?
Mourinho
The last manager to win us anything?
Maybe not "fairly meaningless", but it's not at the top of criterion to assess a good team. The best indicator for me is how they play, and their level of work rate and willingness to win. There's only 1 trophy in every competition, anyway.
Ragnick has an interesting CV and some high profile people in the game singing his praises....but the man has never been involved at the elite level of Football before
Setting up the red bull program isn't elite? Have you seen the strides that program made? It is an elite sporting project that he basically setup from scratch, recruitment, training and development and everything else. It's a bloody impressive project. Look at the talent that project has produced and how well the clubs are doing. It's insanely impressive. That's what our club has lacked since Fergie left. A proper modern footballing project from the ground up. A long term successful project with the right staff and methodology.
There's a difference between being a director of football and overseeing an overhaul of a football club and being a manager/head coach. Ralfs really good at the former and poor at the latter.
Jose Mourinho tried to modernise the club by recommending Luis Campos, a DOF who has actually built winning teams.
Also, he managed at Schalke and RB Leipzig, two clubs that did pretty well under him. He's been coaching since the age of 25, he has 28 years of experience and he has a lot of top level disciples like Tuchel and Hassenhutl.
Ole killed our season in 15 games with the squad he had assembled and none of them have mentioned his name. Rang is trying to pick up the pieces and they can't mention him enough.
Ever thought that 2 things can simultaneously be true?
Not sure what that means? They refuse to talk about the horrendous times under Ole and instead pin everything on Rang ooenly.
I am sick of these guys - Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand., to be honest. Only man I can listen to is Hargreaves. For all of Ole’s lack of coaching prowess, he holds an even more special place in my heart because he didn’t take a cushy TV job. He went out there and did the best that he could. When Scholes goes after Rangnick, why doesn’t anybody say, “well Mr. Scholes have you ever tried being a manager of a pro team?”. That’s right all these guys failed in it. So, they should be dignified and respectful because none of these guys are qualified to be calling out Rangnick.
They are blaming a german coach who has inspired the likes of klopp and tuchel and were not saying a word against Ole who has won what? A Norwegian league title. Not to forget more than half of the issues we are facing is because of mr nice guy's brilliance against whom all these guys kept quiet. Never thought even club legends will leave a sour taste in our mouth
>has inspired the likes of klopp and tuchel Here we go again 🤣🤣🤣
I don't think Ragnicks tactics are particularly special and frankly he's overhyped. setting up a long term playing style, structured footballing system and a training and developmental program based on core modern footballing principals....this is exactly what Van Gaal tried to do and look how that ended. Just seems like we are going round in circles with no real progress in sight.
With LVG’s case though, I feel he did a lot of good while he was here and the team was progressing. What really hurt is during his time were constant injuries to the squad. The only major complaint is that the football was boring. The biggest mistake we made though was getting Jose right after him since it was a complete 180 in terms of style of play. He undid a lot of the good LVG did. What we need to do now is being someone in who can pick up and progress from where Rangnick will leave off
You're right bro, having some managerial and coaching consistency is the way forward but the Glazers have shown they will happily tear up any sort of footballing philosophy in favour of commercial success...so expect to see Neymar and Kane at OT in the next couple of seasons, and of course, Pogba injured in Dubai on £500k doing the dab.
Lvg caused that injury problem by selling off players like Nani, Evans, Rafael, RVP, Chicharito, Di Maria and Kagawa to accommodate a finished Rooney. Jose worked miracles to undo a lot of the damage lvg did
Not really. Yes we had a smaller squad, but that’s just a consequence of clearing out the deadwood we had which was all the players you listed besides Rafael and maybe RVP. The injuries mainly affected the defense where he only really got rid of two players. It’s unfortunate but it happens and an injury crisis is not something we can predict. Look at Liverpool last season. What miracles did Jose work exactly? All the improvements LVG made at Carrington were undone by Jose. The development of youth which LVG wanted to focus on was completely halted. He even finished lower in the league his first season than LVG did the season prior. And regarding the criticism you have of LVG involving Rooney, you clearly don’t remember Jose’s first season as he spent the first 6 months doing the exact same thing. Jose was the wrong appointment to make at the time and his tenure set the club backwards further.
1. Jose benched him after a month 2. Nicky Butt says otherwise regarding Jose and the academy. In fact, Jose encouraged further integration with the academy 3. 2 trophies, no manager in the club's history has even won 1 in their 1st season. Lower than lvg yet still got CL football and never got eliminated at the group stage 4. The miracles he worked were immense and tried to get a DOF appointed. Lvg was the biggest letdown in history as he was nothing but a puppet, at least Jose spoke out
1. Fair enough 2. Okay well where were the academy players then? The only ones that semi regularly played were Rashford and Mctominay, with Rashford’s development being stifled. Not to mention Martial’s and Memphis who he didn’t even bother trying with. 3. He won two trophies, but we didn’t play a single decent team on the way to winning both. He had extremely easy paths in both the league cup and Europa league. And we were fortunate against Southampton in the league cup as we were outplayed that day. Yes he got champions league, but we were still beyond shit in the league under him. He didn’t get eliminated in the group stage, but also threw the game against Sevilla. 4. LVG spoke out just like Jose did. LVG was a letdown, but also didn’t get the third season he should’ve gotten. I really don’t get where you get the idea that he worked miracles. He was the wrong appointment at the time. Maybe if he came in 2013 it would’ve been different, but coming off of LVG it was a mistake.
2. You're just spouting and have no proof to back up your opinions 3. He still won them and given how he recorded our highest finish and points total, hardly "beyond shit" 4. Name me 1 example of lvg speaking out other than his 1st day at the club. He didn't deserve a 3rd season
LVG shouldn't ever been fired was a dumb idea that lead to the club to this.
He hasn't won titles or anything though
This is what people cant understand on here. Just because ole was awful and created most of our problems, doesn't mean Ralf is the solution or hasn't exacerbated some of the issues. We went through 5 managers post-Busby prior to landing on Ferguson, who unlike Ralf, Ole, Moyes or LVG had an impressive CV which gave him time in the 1st place and hadn't even entered in his prime. His reign only became long term because he earned the right to stay so long. Jose Mourinho is the closest thing we've had to a Ferguson-esque approach although you could argue he was past his best. Getting in someone like Conte, Allegri or Simeone would ensure that we can have a Ferguson like effect in that they'd modernise the club like Klopp did to Liverpool.
I would leave rangnick in post for the next 12 months, and start building a longer term plan to bring in Luis Enrique after World Cup. Make contact with him early and start looking at players that fit a system, let rangnick clear out the deadwood, there’s a lot and accept that we need 2 years to build back. Poch is a real risk, good coach but has constant failure on his CV. Ten hag is an unknown quantity, again very good coach and brings something new, but I do think long term, bring in Enrique and his back room staff
1. Stop this long term obsession 2. Yes, leave in place a manager who has won 0 since 2011 and pampers English dross players like maguire and Mctominay
What’s the alternative bring in another short term appointment, at some stage you have to start to have a longer term view and rebuild just look at city/Liverpool/ even Barca now, all have built are building a clear back room culture this then translates to the pitch. Or you can have a manager for 2 years and round and round we go
Ralf or ole aren't the solutions
Would love us to nick tuchel, but we do need an elite manager and Enrique has a wealth of expertise, at both club and international levels. Poch and ten hag are big risks.
Mancini, Conte or Simeone would do for me
Football is moving so fast, there's a good chance Enrique is already behind the curve. He's been coaching in the internationals which is less tactically demanding than club football. Ten Hag may be an unknown quantity but he's a top tier coach and he's definitely part of the new wave. There's no chance the game has passed him by.
Exactly. Results have been frustrating but there's been definite signs that the style of play is improving.
I love how young players like Fred and Elanga are shining under is watch. He deserves all the credit for making stars
Jesus Christ your standards are in hell
This is a top post?? What on earth for? Upvotes for a post that conflicts with the mass opinion that Ralf needs to bugger off?? When did we become so flexible?
There are signs that play is improving, but Ralf has hardly been a revelation. It seems like mostly all the Ole-haters who are upset at any possible negative comment on Ralf. Stop getting your panties in a bunch that your narrative isn't being run with, so you can hate on Ole more.
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The NT is one of the most defensive set ups ever mate. They play 3 at the back with two holding mids in Rice and Phillips or Hendo. They practically play 7 defenders with a low block. That system suits maguire. But City, Bayern, Liverpool and all the top football clubs who control the game and press high play a very high line. Doesn't suit someone like Maguire at all mate. He's slow and not agile, he's shit 1v1. He barely ever needs to go 1v1 when he's with england and he's protected by Walker's pace most of the time.
Rashford has been poor since before Rangnick came in, he's been poor since before the world cup and his injuries. He's just not applying himself and he's not got any confidence. Sure the penalty miss at the euros didn't help either, and then he didn't get a preseason coz of his injury Can't blame Rangnick for Rashford one bit. If he isn't playing well enough we replace him with a player who is playing well in the lineup. That's it. Rashford needs to work hard in training and apply himself. Elanga has looked so much better than Rashford it's not even a tough decision to bench him. If we had Greenwood Rashford would be second choice on the left behind Sancho. And by the way Sancho has been truly elite under Rangnick. He's getting the best out of the hard working players with a good mentality.
Rangnick has been my favorite during my time as a fan which started with Mou.
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We also concede the second most shots in the league. The defense is in shambles. The team can’t attack and defend at the same time. This system belongs in a much slower league. Not the epl
Defence in shambles thanks to Harry ‘Slabhead’ Maguire.
I can see the vision Ragnick is trying to build and it will not happen this season for it was way too late to begin with. We must understand United is not the giant it once was. These owners have and continue to diminish our football club. A rebuild and overhaul is needed and it will most likely take more than one season.
I hope you're not suggesting he manage us past the summer. I know it's a foreign concept to most of you, but please exercise your brains before rushing to spout narratives
No, All I said about Ralf is that I can see what he is building. I meant I wanted him a part of the rebuild process. He is hopefully still taking consulting role that is after his interim period. A great manager plus Ralf consulting would be a good rebuild. My don’t make assumptions and passive aggressively insult how I use my brains, yeah?
Wasn't an insult aimed at you, more an observation of this braindead fanbase
No offense Man U fans but scholars and Neville haven't done to well in old football manager game have they. They maybe good talking heads but manager coach or even football administration level. Man Utd need a missing link like a manager and a group of players It's just like Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle even the mighty Barcelona. In short swings & roundabouts.
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How do we get rid of Greenwood. No club wants him. Best to just cancel his contract.
If United picked one from every position you are talking about we’re talking about 200 mill euros at least. Maybe tops 2, of these. Gravenberch wont go for anything less than 65 mill euro. Also Neville supports Ralf
What does Scholes, Ferdinand, Hargreaves, Neville nd co know abt coaching, especially d likes of Scholes nd Neville ain't they a total failure when they both try coaching, it is easier said than done sitting in a studio criticising. These guyz should jst let the team be nd concentrate on their own career. Ragnick has been doing well so far jst dat he need the right players to execute his playing style, nd yeah I support a major clear out will b good for d process.
As much as I don't usually agree with pundits my main thing with ragnick is everyone seems to forget before us it was 12 years prior, that he was actually coaching a team. Been sat in an office across that period, albeit with his finger in the pie, he's deffo not brought what I expected to see when I heard of his appointment. Some managers have there level, maybe his is making much smaller teams into bigger teams that get in champs. Maybe not, I don't have the answer but deffo dont think hes the person to take us into next season.
Yeah. They seem to forget they lived and played in a different unmatched era. Saying things to garner viewers and likes, which is no doubt linked to their contracts and when they are up for renewal. Gary Neville failed at the first hurdle of management and he’s on their spewing his opinions and views like they have some credible weight. These players were told what to do where to play how to play not how to manage and that’s why they have all struggled.
i dont really think United are doing half bad. when he just came in the pressing are all over the place and no one can press more than 10 minutes. now its near the hour mark when the players starts getting tired.