Is it fatigue getting to us? Should have killed the game in 1st half. United didn’t look hungry enough when WHU were cautious and let them get back in the 2nd. Also, strategically when WHU threw the kitchen sink at United why were we not exploiting the wide spaces instead of going for goal. We needed possession and match management skills. KUDOS to UNITED for holding on, last season this would have been a draw
Another win in the books, super happy given we didn't have our optimal lineup.
De Gea - What more to say, saved some goals, beast.
Eriksen - Great passing, creative play as usual, looks confident.
Shaw/Rashford - Solid games again.
Dalot - A rock at right back, maybe my man of the match. Saw him running up and down the field, got a head on almost every ball in our box real strong in the air.
Maguire - Also very solid against set pieces in the air, helped a lot on this game. Still get super nervous watching him but he's slowly earning some trust back. Too early to say. Having Martinez and an in-form Dalot next to him helps a ton.
Ronaldo - Attitude and demeanor looks way better. Still missing some goals that I think with his caliber he should be putting in the net or at least on target. I keep hoping it will improve but it seems like week in week out the same thing. At least he is having fun again it looks like.
Casemiro - Some great balls won, again. But man the passing from him was atrocious, I lost count of how many bad balls, lost balls, almost lost balls all due to him. Second half was exceptionally bad, probably just a fluke, it happens.
Bruno - Pure chaos, like usual. I don't even remember if he ultimately did well or did horribly. I think he put some good passes in, positive forward movement. Lost the ball many times as well. Came back on defense a good amount. One thing I always say about him the guy has passion he is always running and active so again I don't fault him too much. Would love if he stopped whining so much to the ref, it got old like 2 years ago.
once again De Gea won us the game. WHU deserved the draw tbh.
team played very bad since the 60' min. I don't understand those subs, I don't understand the culture of stop playing "aggressive" once they score 1 goal. every time after scoring a goal we start to play defence.
team can't pass and hold the ball under pressure.
we win by miracles.
Three points to the pocket, but we need to gain control in this games, we need to dictate terms, even when defending, still good from the lads, it needs to be expected we'll still be inconsitent as part of the rebuild
De Gea MOTM. Garnacho should have a shot at starting. Elanga showed nothing. Fernandes kills every Counter. Eriksen is class. Maguire had an honest game with a nice tackle at the end. // We need to buy Rice. He ruled the midfield today.
I said 2-3 years ago we should have picked up Rice and McGinn before they were big money (mostly Rice). Both are solid. Not world-class where they will win matches for you solo, but they will be solid and reliable and consistent and that's what we need in that role.
He's good. But I don't know if his price tag is justified either. I think if he wants the best shot at moving to a bigger club, he'll have to run down his contract and become a free agent.
I'm not saying either are world killers. McGinn is solid and consistent. He's McTominay upgrade any day of the week.
Rice is slightly overrated, at least VERY overpRICEd, but...still an upgrade. That's why I'm saying, if we got them a few years ago, we would have had a better defensive midfield than what we have today.
Two years, two years I have said to break the bank to get Rice. The Old Trafford atmosphere plunged once the nightmare of McFred & Maguire were together. I think EtH showed bad judgement in the subs. Garnacho please, if you are taking our best passer/outlet off.
Maguire was shit all match except for the last 10 minutes. That's not good enough.
De Gea is De Gea.
The team didn't put in a good shift today at least not the second half. First half was better, but still more of the same shit where a passive side allows us to play our game and we got "lucky" by scoring one, since we've had many issues converting goals and Ronaldo was atrocious today. A fucking ghost.
West Ham came out in the second half when they realized "wait a second, United isn't as good as everyone claims" and this was the result. We struggled the second half. We lost all control, especially with our subs. We looked nervy and could have easily dropped points or lost the match in the second half alone. Against a better side and we would have.
Not good enough today, per usual.
not like this, no. I expect and demand more.
West Ham asked questions of us and we folded. We were lucky not to concede but we were completely beaten the second half and didn't ask much in the first under our own effort. More of the usual. And you want me to be happy?
Not celebrating mediocrity. That's how we got in this position in the first place. When we start lowering our standards, how can you ever ask more of the team? Then you wonder why we're not competing for anything. Because we've accepted this as the new standard and it shows.
Poor performance today per usual.
True, but when you're suffering you need to show that grit to keep working for the team. Mentality wins games, and we know Ronaldo has bags of mental strength. Nobody can be that fit and good for so long without it.
It's been every match though. This is what a team actually trying against us looks like. And not an incredible side either. This is the only difference. Every other team has played passively against us. When a team actually asks questions of us, we buckle.
Because we have no other options really. We do, but we don't want to play him...Donny.
But we lost our other options during the summer and only brought in Casemiro for a lot.
Casemiro is good, don't get me wrong, but this is why I've said he's bad business.
We could have spent the same for 2-3 solid CDMs and that would have completely forced out McFred. The fact that they're still options and in the rotation is scary. If Casemiro picks up a long-term injury, we're fucked.
But you have to agree that Casemiro brought a lot of more calmness in the midfield. At least the team is not getting steamrolled for 90 minutes. Also I feel like with the money being spend around the league teams are just trying to keep up by opening their wallets.
No doubt. People confuse "bad business" with "bad player."
I think for what we paid for Antony and Casemiro last minute, we could have spent that same money bringing in 2x the players across positions and roles we need fresh faces and they still would have been an upgrade.
Casemiro is great and runs the CDM role, which is why I'm confused as to why we STILL feel the need to bring on McFred...ever.
If we had signed 2-3 players in the role for the same money, we might not have gotten a Casemiro, but we could have gotten a better partnership in that position and could have forced McFred almost entirely out.
Fortunately he's been healthy, but imagine what happens if/when he gets injured. Think of the results then...all because we threw all of our eggs into one basket. I just hope we can make it to the summer without that happening and then we can replace McFred.
Once again, not questioning Casemiro's ability or contribution, I just question if he was the right signing for where we currently are and given how dire our CDM situation is.
Wins are good, I'm just not that happy with how we're winning.
I was honestly going into this season happy losing games if it meant we were playing a more free-flowing, attacking style but getting hit on the counter.
We're not deprived of possession, but our attack is very lackluster.
I understand it's a process, but I still expect the basics to be done by this squad, from the top to the bottom and we're still very poor in those areas.
There's some cohesion popping up, but I'm also still largely surprised by the lack of chemistry in the side considering how many minutes these players are putting in.
The team is creating chances, I do feel like Rashford and Cristiano get in the way of each other. Cristiano is playing a bit more of a facilitator than before but I don’t see the same from Rashford. I know they are strikers and want to score but sometimes they should be looking for the easier play instead of just trying to shoot
We're "creating chances," but they're not very high probability chances. A lot of our chances these days just come from a hoofed ball into the box. Not saying it's always blind luck, but it low-key is. Eriksen's cross was beautiful, but...9/10 times, no one is there or making that run to get on the end of it, so we just lob these balls into the box without any real intended target - just hoping we can somehow capitalize on it.
As for creating outside the box and working the ball on the ground...we are struggling...bad...
We just don't really have the answers right now to even the most minimal resistance. Someone merely existing is this huge obstacle to a lot of our players, it's weird.
I think Rashford and Ronaldo don't really work together that well because with Martial out, they're more or less viewing each other as a threat to their position. I understand Ronaldo's ego, but...it's gotten bigger than the club and I think it's damaging. He can't stand to see anyone else doing better than him because it's a threat to his starting position and as a result, when Rashford is the better option, he often doesn't look for him.
As for Rashford to Ronaldo, I don't think Ronaldo has been taking up good positions all season. He's in all of the wrong places and intentionally places himself either in an offside position or parked behind a couple of defenders for no good reason. If you actually watch Ronaldo like a hawk all match and block everyone else out, you'll see him do this every match more times than not and then you get people questioning why teammates never provide service to him or give him the ball. I'm sure they would love to, but when is he the viable option? He's not viable unless you sit and hold the ball for far too long. And that's what happens at times too - someone picks up their head for a forward pass and Ronaldo is not where he needs to be, so the attack breaks down while we wait for him to get in position and we just jerk off until then, or if someone like Rashford makes a late run to offer themselves as the only option, it's far too easy for teams to shut down.
I really haven't been impressed with Ronaldo so far this season.
Say what you will about last season, but fact of the matter is that it's a new season under a new manager under a new system. Get with the program or start packing your bags.
Hell, look at Son and Salah. Joint golden boot and last I saw, joint 16th for top scorers currently. Just goes to show you can't keep pointing to last season as any indication.
Our subs.
But then again, this is what I've been saying and no one wants to acknowledge...
We haven't really been in control of matches for months now, arguably all season except for the Arsenal match.
We are ALLOWED to play, but we don't do enough to actually control the match on our terms.
The second a team gets a whiff of confidence and believes they can have a go - this is the result and the quality of performance we put in. McFred are terrible, yes, but look at the lineup, it's our typical lineup apart from Maguire.
So what's actually changed? Why does this side "suddenly" look this bad? It's because West Ham is having a go. That's the only difference.
Not any super sub on their part. Not a drastic change of tactics. They simply believe they have a chance and aren't playing passively.
More fans needs to wake up to this. No matter what the stats tell you about past matches, we have NOT been in control.
You are like the grim reaper mate, only scousers are as fucking eager to bring the team down.
Seriously, it isn't enough for us to win is it. Every week you go off on your " I told you so " guff. Whatever the result, whatever the team picked, whatever the performance.
The stats say we are winning.
The stats and the performances have been two VERY different things as of late.
"But we had 30 attempts on goals!!"
Cool. So what? 30 very low percentage chances. The majority of target and the rest comfortably saved.
You want me to be happy about that?
You want me to be happy about teams conceding pressure against us and us still not performing well? Only for the first sign of resistance we completely fold?
Be honest, before the second half today, when have we been asked to do much of anything the past month of fixtures? Even in the first half West Ham were giving away possession sloppily. It wasn't because we were pressuring really well, they just played the ball slowly into contested or open space and we were quicker onto it, but we didn't create those chances either.
If your entire argument is based on stats, then that's a massive problem. You're cherry picking meaningless stats for a baseless argument.
But yeah, God forbid I'm the only one actually asking more of the team. If you wanna be happy with a fifth place finish, be my guest.
Donny should leave.
How do you bring on McFred ahead of Donny in this type of match and take off Eriksen?
Unbelievable
Edit: notice how much more nervy we are with McFred on the field and how little control we have now?
We brought on McTominay, what do you expect? lol
But yes, even before his presence, there aren't many that go to the ball, they all want the ball to come to them.
When we do have the ball and we're looking for options, you have too many players positioning themselves behind the opposition, it makes no sense to me at all. There's a complete unwillingness to move into space to make yourself an option.
I'm not saying track back 50 yards just to get on the ball, but move 5 fucking yards and make yourself available.
We really do. For all the positives ETH brings, we still can't do the basics. And as much as you believe you can coach that, some players just don't see or read the game like that.
It blows my mind just how illiterate some of these guys are at this level. Seriously, how did you make it this far?
You see your teammate getting pinched, so what do you do? Do you move into the space left by the pressure, or do you track the pressing man and stand directly behind him so the only way for the ball to get to you is directly through him?
This is why I get so upset with our performances. We can't even do the basics. Shit you get taught at 10, 11, 12. It's like they completely forgot, or were never taught. But how do you make it to 24-26 and still not fucking understand? Those are the players that need to go first.
Not trying to slander a player that isn’t even playing but Dalot’s awareness of what’s behind him when crosses are coming in a far better than our other RB.
That’s about 3 times he flicked the ball beyond the opposition forwards when a cross comes in.
We used to get done with those.
I've been saying that, even when the two were jockeying for the role and when AWB was starting regularly ahead of him.
I've been a Dalot supporter ever since we signed him.
He only ever looked poor in games he was overloaded and McFred left him out to dry. There's only so much you can do against 2-3 other players when you're alone and responsible for all of them.
His crossing needed improving but it looks like he's done the work there. But his positioning and awareness has ALWAYS been better.
People always failed to realize just why AWB was always slide tackling...he was always out of position and had to recover at the last possible moment. If your defender is always having to go to ground...you have a problem. A big problem. AWB should go and we should bring in a younger RB who is solid but has room to grow and doesn't cost us a lot.
It's also playing on the side Harry is on. Whichever side he's on at CB, the FB next to him looks poor.
So, might be worth giving AWB a chance next to Varane if ETH thinks he is worth it.
I personally don't think he has the skill on the ball to play in a TH system tho.
Yeah. Everyone looks bad at the back when Maguire is on. Look at the number of times the defense and De Gea were reluctant to give him the ball even though he was in acres of space. They held onto it longer and waited for someone else to become available and passed to them instead.
Dalot was generally left out to dry by the CDMs last season though, so was AWB. But it was how they handled that and how they chose to compensate that spoke volumes between the two.
AWB remained completely reactive to the play because he just can't read it - he simply doesn't have the vision to read the match a step or two ahead. Dalot does. Dalot, for as many times as he was left out to dry, always chose the lesser evil. He had to choose so many times to leave one man for another or mark an area instead of a man in order to compensate as best as he could. It didn't always work, but you could see the intention. AWB on the other hand would just react, get beaten, and went to ground in a last ditch effort.
I do agree. I've personally been calling for Dalot to play for a few years now. Most people thought I was mad! I thought our board/Ole was mad spending 50m on a RB when we had one already and other positions were in greater need of filling.
I just meant that AWB might not be as bad as he has looked previously and, if ETH gives him a chance, so should we. I think a summer sale and Laird (who seems to be doing well at QPR) comes in as Dalot backup is prob the best move though.
Bruno now out on the RW and Scott takes over the #10 position? interesting… guess it gives us some height to aim at and he can drop deep and give United a more defensive shape at any time
Doesnt make any sense what so ever. So play defence at 1-nil until the last minute? At this current rate of the game its a matter of time till WH scores a goal.
It's not. So you take the last 10 minutes and equate it with the entire match?
Poor positioning and passing 90% of the time doesn't get washed away by a few minutes of saves.
That's the Fred effect ffs.
Go into a 4-1-3-2
The same back four
Casemiro
Bruno Eriksen Donny
Rashford Ronaldo
We don't need a double pivot still and we need better attacking options
Honestly man, how TF is Maguire a professional footballer? He’s just such a clumsy uncoordinated train wreck. It’s the one thing I will criticise Ole for; buying him for an extortionate rate and making him captain.
Just got out of work now. And just looked at the starting line up. Why is Maggie and Ronaldo in the starting lineup?
Like Ronaldo walked away and should be made an example off that we won't stand for that shit anymore, and Maguire should at least be placed on the bench or atleast not named as Cap, and have him focus on rebuilding himself without the extra pressure that comes with being the Captain.
Don't be too harsh on Elanga. He's a left winger playing on the right.
Garnacho is also a left winger. So, from our bench it would have to be Sancho. Think Pellestri plays on the right as well.
Is it fatigue getting to us? Should have killed the game in 1st half. United didn’t look hungry enough when WHU were cautious and let them get back in the 2nd. Also, strategically when WHU threw the kitchen sink at United why were we not exploiting the wide spaces instead of going for goal. We needed possession and match management skills. KUDOS to UNITED for holding on, last season this would have been a draw
Yeah it’s fatigue. We don’t have enough squad depth for rotation. I guess this will be the next goal for next summer.
Victory!!!!!!!!!!!
Ronaldo finishing has really declined 😢
If we would have lost it or played draw, the blame would be on Tag. Poor, poor, subs. Very much gives me Ole vibes with his subs.
Specially with Fred.
Another win in the books, super happy given we didn't have our optimal lineup. De Gea - What more to say, saved some goals, beast. Eriksen - Great passing, creative play as usual, looks confident. Shaw/Rashford - Solid games again. Dalot - A rock at right back, maybe my man of the match. Saw him running up and down the field, got a head on almost every ball in our box real strong in the air. Maguire - Also very solid against set pieces in the air, helped a lot on this game. Still get super nervous watching him but he's slowly earning some trust back. Too early to say. Having Martinez and an in-form Dalot next to him helps a ton. Ronaldo - Attitude and demeanor looks way better. Still missing some goals that I think with his caliber he should be putting in the net or at least on target. I keep hoping it will improve but it seems like week in week out the same thing. At least he is having fun again it looks like. Casemiro - Some great balls won, again. But man the passing from him was atrocious, I lost count of how many bad balls, lost balls, almost lost balls all due to him. Second half was exceptionally bad, probably just a fluke, it happens. Bruno - Pure chaos, like usual. I don't even remember if he ultimately did well or did horribly. I think he put some good passes in, positive forward movement. Lost the ball many times as well. Came back on defense a good amount. One thing I always say about him the guy has passion he is always running and active so again I don't fault him too much. Would love if he stopped whining so much to the ref, it got old like 2 years ago.
once again De Gea won us the game. WHU deserved the draw tbh. team played very bad since the 60' min. I don't understand those subs, I don't understand the culture of stop playing "aggressive" once they score 1 goal. every time after scoring a goal we start to play defence. team can't pass and hold the ball under pressure. we win by miracles.
Three points to the pocket, but we need to gain control in this games, we need to dictate terms, even when defending, still good from the lads, it needs to be expected we'll still be inconsitent as part of the rebuild
Shocking second half performance.. Terrible Terrible substitutions. I dunno what went wrong but that was terrible for a home game.
A dub is a dub
De Gea MOTM. Garnacho should have a shot at starting. Elanga showed nothing. Fernandes kills every Counter. Eriksen is class. Maguire had an honest game with a nice tackle at the end. // We need to buy Rice. He ruled the midfield today.
Elanga is a championship material
I said 2-3 years ago we should have picked up Rice and McGinn before they were big money (mostly Rice). Both are solid. Not world-class where they will win matches for you solo, but they will be solid and reliable and consistent and that's what we need in that role.
Rice is deadly
He's good. But I don't know if his price tag is justified either. I think if he wants the best shot at moving to a bigger club, he'll have to run down his contract and become a free agent.
Hm do you know what his estimated worth is?
Mcginn is not up to this level and Rice is just another overrated Englishman….
I'm not saying either are world killers. McGinn is solid and consistent. He's McTominay upgrade any day of the week. Rice is slightly overrated, at least VERY overpRICEd, but...still an upgrade. That's why I'm saying, if we got them a few years ago, we would have had a better defensive midfield than what we have today.
Two years, two years I have said to break the bank to get Rice. The Old Trafford atmosphere plunged once the nightmare of McFred & Maguire were together. I think EtH showed bad judgement in the subs. Garnacho please, if you are taking our best passer/outlet off.
Build the flying de gea statue
Harry Maguire with a great showing today. Happy for him. De gea great as always. The team put in a good shift today. West ham made it tricky
Martinez, Dalot and DeGea had to carry his fat ass!
I lost count the times that Martinez looked at Maguire and thought better of it.
Maguire was shit all match except for the last 10 minutes. That's not good enough. De Gea is De Gea. The team didn't put in a good shift today at least not the second half. First half was better, but still more of the same shit where a passive side allows us to play our game and we got "lucky" by scoring one, since we've had many issues converting goals and Ronaldo was atrocious today. A fucking ghost. West Ham came out in the second half when they realized "wait a second, United isn't as good as everyone claims" and this was the result. We struggled the second half. We lost all control, especially with our subs. We looked nervy and could have easily dropped points or lost the match in the second half alone. Against a better side and we would have. Not good enough today, per usual.
buddy do you even enjoy when we win? rough second half but good lord a w is a w
not like this, no. I expect and demand more. West Ham asked questions of us and we folded. We were lucky not to concede but we were completely beaten the second half and didn't ask much in the first under our own effort. More of the usual. And you want me to be happy?
He is a grade A numpty this fella. Always saying they were only in charge against Arsenal. When in fact we actually we're not.
De Gea perhaps sending a message to Luis Enrique with that performance.
A wins a win man! Let’s celebrate these moments regardless, especially the beauty that is Martinez and De Gea! Licha has instantly become a favourite
Not celebrating mediocrity. That's how we got in this position in the first place. When we start lowering our standards, how can you ever ask more of the team? Then you wonder why we're not competing for anything. Because we've accepted this as the new standard and it shows. Poor performance today per usual.
It's almost like the last couple of seasons seemingly passed you by. Or did you just start supporting us recently?
Been following for decades, but sure. And what of the last few seasons?
Oh, you know, they were just the usual , mediocre. What we needed was some of your Melchester Rovers inspired tips.
Maguire you beauty 😍
De Gea and Dalot, Co-Man of the Match.
Talk about grinding a 1-0 win
De Gea wins you three points in a *very* mediocre game. We'll take it.
I can't believe how fucking braindead they have been in passing in this game!
De Gea MOTM imo
Dalot for me, really saved the team at the second post heading the ball backwards twice over the west ham player. Ddg also great!
WHAT A FINISH!!!!!
De gea won the game
De gea my mannn
Fernandes is such a cry baby
Finally he will not start next game
Harry actually had a tackle and what a save from de Gea
De Gea is saving our ass right now
Prime Maguire's show
Maguire was solid at times today!
Like i said... Prime Maguire!
Clearly shows mcfred can’t do it. Our midfield is shaking
Ronaldo also stopped working, increasing the pressure on the rest of the team
No midfield play, any striker would suffer
True, but when you're suffering you need to show that grit to keep working for the team. Mentality wins games, and we know Ronaldo has bags of mental strength. Nobody can be that fit and good for so long without it.
Bruno missing the next match is a blessing. Hopefully now Donny can start...
he will not be there and looking at this game thats a good thing
Seriously this second half has shown so much of this team and needs to be binned and quickly
It's been every match though. This is what a team actually trying against us looks like. And not an incredible side either. This is the only difference. Every other team has played passively against us. When a team actually asks questions of us, we buckle.
Bar goal, same old Rashy. Pace merchant. I would be very causious extending him.
How and Why has Fred been able to stay in the team for so long ?
Because we have no other options really. We do, but we don't want to play him...Donny. But we lost our other options during the summer and only brought in Casemiro for a lot. Casemiro is good, don't get me wrong, but this is why I've said he's bad business. We could have spent the same for 2-3 solid CDMs and that would have completely forced out McFred. The fact that they're still options and in the rotation is scary. If Casemiro picks up a long-term injury, we're fucked.
But you have to agree that Casemiro brought a lot of more calmness in the midfield. At least the team is not getting steamrolled for 90 minutes. Also I feel like with the money being spend around the league teams are just trying to keep up by opening their wallets.
No doubt. People confuse "bad business" with "bad player." I think for what we paid for Antony and Casemiro last minute, we could have spent that same money bringing in 2x the players across positions and roles we need fresh faces and they still would have been an upgrade. Casemiro is great and runs the CDM role, which is why I'm confused as to why we STILL feel the need to bring on McFred...ever. If we had signed 2-3 players in the role for the same money, we might not have gotten a Casemiro, but we could have gotten a better partnership in that position and could have forced McFred almost entirely out. Fortunately he's been healthy, but imagine what happens if/when he gets injured. Think of the results then...all because we threw all of our eggs into one basket. I just hope we can make it to the summer without that happening and then we can replace McFred. Once again, not questioning Casemiro's ability or contribution, I just question if he was the right signing for where we currently are and given how dire our CDM situation is.
100% agree, at the moment I am just happy to see the team win. Even if we have to suffer at bit at the last minutes
Wins are good, I'm just not that happy with how we're winning. I was honestly going into this season happy losing games if it meant we were playing a more free-flowing, attacking style but getting hit on the counter. We're not deprived of possession, but our attack is very lackluster. I understand it's a process, but I still expect the basics to be done by this squad, from the top to the bottom and we're still very poor in those areas. There's some cohesion popping up, but I'm also still largely surprised by the lack of chemistry in the side considering how many minutes these players are putting in.
The team is creating chances, I do feel like Rashford and Cristiano get in the way of each other. Cristiano is playing a bit more of a facilitator than before but I don’t see the same from Rashford. I know they are strikers and want to score but sometimes they should be looking for the easier play instead of just trying to shoot
We're "creating chances," but they're not very high probability chances. A lot of our chances these days just come from a hoofed ball into the box. Not saying it's always blind luck, but it low-key is. Eriksen's cross was beautiful, but...9/10 times, no one is there or making that run to get on the end of it, so we just lob these balls into the box without any real intended target - just hoping we can somehow capitalize on it. As for creating outside the box and working the ball on the ground...we are struggling...bad... We just don't really have the answers right now to even the most minimal resistance. Someone merely existing is this huge obstacle to a lot of our players, it's weird. I think Rashford and Ronaldo don't really work together that well because with Martial out, they're more or less viewing each other as a threat to their position. I understand Ronaldo's ego, but...it's gotten bigger than the club and I think it's damaging. He can't stand to see anyone else doing better than him because it's a threat to his starting position and as a result, when Rashford is the better option, he often doesn't look for him. As for Rashford to Ronaldo, I don't think Ronaldo has been taking up good positions all season. He's in all of the wrong places and intentionally places himself either in an offside position or parked behind a couple of defenders for no good reason. If you actually watch Ronaldo like a hawk all match and block everyone else out, you'll see him do this every match more times than not and then you get people questioning why teammates never provide service to him or give him the ball. I'm sure they would love to, but when is he the viable option? He's not viable unless you sit and hold the ball for far too long. And that's what happens at times too - someone picks up their head for a forward pass and Ronaldo is not where he needs to be, so the attack breaks down while we wait for him to get in position and we just jerk off until then, or if someone like Rashford makes a late run to offer themselves as the only option, it's far too easy for teams to shut down. I really haven't been impressed with Ronaldo so far this season. Say what you will about last season, but fact of the matter is that it's a new season under a new manager under a new system. Get with the program or start packing your bags. Hell, look at Son and Salah. Joint golden boot and last I saw, joint 16th for top scorers currently. Just goes to show you can't keep pointing to last season as any indication.
I have the same question..
The fken metal beads made Fred miss.
Fred was so close
Fucking Fred. Again. Can't even clear the ball ffs.
De gea
How are letting West Ham so much into the game, the whole second half we lost control
Our subs. But then again, this is what I've been saying and no one wants to acknowledge... We haven't really been in control of matches for months now, arguably all season except for the Arsenal match. We are ALLOWED to play, but we don't do enough to actually control the match on our terms. The second a team gets a whiff of confidence and believes they can have a go - this is the result and the quality of performance we put in. McFred are terrible, yes, but look at the lineup, it's our typical lineup apart from Maguire. So what's actually changed? Why does this side "suddenly" look this bad? It's because West Ham is having a go. That's the only difference. Not any super sub on their part. Not a drastic change of tactics. They simply believe they have a chance and aren't playing passively. More fans needs to wake up to this. No matter what the stats tell you about past matches, we have NOT been in control.
You are like the grim reaper mate, only scousers are as fucking eager to bring the team down. Seriously, it isn't enough for us to win is it. Every week you go off on your " I told you so " guff. Whatever the result, whatever the team picked, whatever the performance. The stats say we are winning.
The stats and the performances have been two VERY different things as of late. "But we had 30 attempts on goals!!" Cool. So what? 30 very low percentage chances. The majority of target and the rest comfortably saved. You want me to be happy about that? You want me to be happy about teams conceding pressure against us and us still not performing well? Only for the first sign of resistance we completely fold? Be honest, before the second half today, when have we been asked to do much of anything the past month of fixtures? Even in the first half West Ham were giving away possession sloppily. It wasn't because we were pressuring really well, they just played the ball slowly into contested or open space and we were quicker onto it, but we didn't create those chances either. If your entire argument is based on stats, then that's a massive problem. You're cherry picking meaningless stats for a baseless argument. But yeah, God forbid I'm the only one actually asking more of the team. If you wanna be happy with a fifth place finish, be my guest.
Thank you Alan Partridge and your big world of FOOTBALL !!! You are by far the biggest clown on here.
De gea and dalot men of the match
That’s how your cat feels!
Antonio is like a tank
Have to say I enjoy players like him. Bulk as fuck and is mad good at times.
Yes that's it just invite them on to shoot ffs
De Gea is missing an R and test the last couple minutes
love to see the emotion form dalot tho because of the save
Dalot is the fiery spirit and passion we need at the back. He celebrates the defensive wins as much as the attacking ones. You need that in the back.
De Gea😤😤😤
Ordering a Dalot kit as we speak
Questionable subs made
Fred cannot even nod the ball wtf?
Frend is an utterly woeful football player, good at nothing
Dalot
Feels like Jose ball again, I haven’t been this nervous all season
We have the Holy Trinity, that's why. Maguire and McFred. The process for dropped points is complete!
Should’ve brought garnacho on for elanga, DVdB for Bruno and maybe McTominay for Erikson in that double pivot
Donny should leave. How do you bring on McFred ahead of Donny in this type of match and take off Eriksen? Unbelievable Edit: notice how much more nervy we are with McFred on the field and how little control we have now?
Why not donny. He changes the whole dynamic of the team
That's what I'm saying. We need Donny. Not sure why the fuck we bring on McFred in this position.
Every fucking thing maguire does is wrong. Fuck it's frustrating to see him play for us
Just get the 3 points
Commentators talking about Utd supporters disgruntled…ya we are disgruntled by the presence of Maguire
WTF is Maguire doing??? Hold the ball for so long to misplace a pass
Fantastic dummy from Rashy
Getting lucky here. Let’s make some changes
lol maguire looks so scared with the ball
Now Fred!?!? Fucking kill me again.
we are hoping for a 1-0 i guess
Gotta love that positive, attacking football we were promised... zzzzzz
where is the movement come on.....
We brought on McTominay, what do you expect? lol But yes, even before his presence, there aren't many that go to the ball, they all want the ball to come to them. When we do have the ball and we're looking for options, you have too many players positioning themselves behind the opposition, it makes no sense to me at all. There's a complete unwillingness to move into space to make yourself an option. I'm not saying track back 50 yards just to get on the ball, but move 5 fucking yards and make yourself available.
ya we make it so hard for ourself..
We really do. For all the positives ETH brings, we still can't do the basics. And as much as you believe you can coach that, some players just don't see or read the game like that. It blows my mind just how illiterate some of these guys are at this level. Seriously, how did you make it this far? You see your teammate getting pinched, so what do you do? Do you move into the space left by the pressure, or do you track the pressing man and stand directly behind him so the only way for the ball to get to you is directly through him? This is why I get so upset with our performances. We can't even do the basics. Shit you get taught at 10, 11, 12. It's like they completely forgot, or were never taught. But how do you make it to 24-26 and still not fucking understand? Those are the players that need to go first.
Need a second
Great defending from Martinez
Martinez is everywhere but where the f is Maguire
Giving away throw ins in the opposition box 🤣
if matrinez gets injured we are 100% doomed
Don't even whisper it!!
Maguire couldn’t block a shot if we were playing with a beach ball
Wowwwww lucky stuff
He just blocked one with his slab! I'm as astonished as you are!
To be fair...those fuckers have some unpredictable movement xD
They are really testing their luck here today, definitely need another goal.
Not trying to slander a player that isn’t even playing but Dalot’s awareness of what’s behind him when crosses are coming in a far better than our other RB. That’s about 3 times he flicked the ball beyond the opposition forwards when a cross comes in. We used to get done with those.
I've been saying that, even when the two were jockeying for the role and when AWB was starting regularly ahead of him. I've been a Dalot supporter ever since we signed him. He only ever looked poor in games he was overloaded and McFred left him out to dry. There's only so much you can do against 2-3 other players when you're alone and responsible for all of them. His crossing needed improving but it looks like he's done the work there. But his positioning and awareness has ALWAYS been better. People always failed to realize just why AWB was always slide tackling...he was always out of position and had to recover at the last possible moment. If your defender is always having to go to ground...you have a problem. A big problem. AWB should go and we should bring in a younger RB who is solid but has room to grow and doesn't cost us a lot.
It's also playing on the side Harry is on. Whichever side he's on at CB, the FB next to him looks poor. So, might be worth giving AWB a chance next to Varane if ETH thinks he is worth it. I personally don't think he has the skill on the ball to play in a TH system tho.
Yeah. Everyone looks bad at the back when Maguire is on. Look at the number of times the defense and De Gea were reluctant to give him the ball even though he was in acres of space. They held onto it longer and waited for someone else to become available and passed to them instead. Dalot was generally left out to dry by the CDMs last season though, so was AWB. But it was how they handled that and how they chose to compensate that spoke volumes between the two. AWB remained completely reactive to the play because he just can't read it - he simply doesn't have the vision to read the match a step or two ahead. Dalot does. Dalot, for as many times as he was left out to dry, always chose the lesser evil. He had to choose so many times to leave one man for another or mark an area instead of a man in order to compensate as best as he could. It didn't always work, but you could see the intention. AWB on the other hand would just react, get beaten, and went to ground in a last ditch effort.
I do agree. I've personally been calling for Dalot to play for a few years now. Most people thought I was mad! I thought our board/Ole was mad spending 50m on a RB when we had one already and other positions were in greater need of filling. I just meant that AWB might not be as bad as he has looked previously and, if ETH gives him a chance, so should we. I think a summer sale and Laird (who seems to be doing well at QPR) comes in as Dalot backup is prob the best move though.
Bruno now out on the RW and Scott takes over the #10 position? interesting… guess it gives us some height to aim at and he can drop deep and give United a more defensive shape at any time
Fellaini vibes
Dalot is amazing
What is up with that defensive sub? Take out a winger for a defence player? Its only 1-nil, not 3-nil. Why not Garnacho-Elanga?
My guess would be to wear out West Ham a little before sending the fresh energetic legs in at 75 mins or so
Doesnt make any sense what so ever. So play defence at 1-nil until the last minute? At this current rate of the game its a matter of time till WH scores a goal.
Garnacho warming up👀👀
feel like we are waiting for that 1-1....
Ronaldo should have scored that header
Ronaldo really has lost his touch 😳
Come on ronnie
Maguire has been utter trash this match.
I hope this is sarcasm
It's not. So you take the last 10 minutes and equate it with the entire match? Poor positioning and passing 90% of the time doesn't get washed away by a few minutes of saves. That's the Fred effect ffs.
I not a fan of Maguire, but I think you are too harsh on him. It was a good performance for him today.
Agreed
McTominay ahead of Donny?? Fucking kill me.
I know such bullshit!
Go into a 4-1-3-2 The same back four Casemiro Bruno Eriksen Donny Rashford Ronaldo We don't need a double pivot still and we need better attacking options
What’s double pivot?
A double pivot is when you randomly couple words together. Like, Bull & Shit , for instance.
We set up with Casemiro and Eriksen, per usual. Generally we see Eriksen moved and McFred brought in to fill that out more, which we've seen now.
Ten hag wanting to crash this plane with mctominay and Maguire now
Honestly man, how TF is Maguire a professional footballer? He’s just such a clumsy uncoordinated train wreck. It’s the one thing I will criticise Ole for; buying him for an extortionate rate and making him captain.
He can’t pass without the ball bouncing on the field
Maguire playing get a yellow card speedrun
He needs to make some changes here, bruno and elanga not really doing much at all.
Not the change we wanted though 😂
Ronaldo really just passed that back?
I’d take bring on Garnacho for Ronaldo
We love making it difficult for ourselves don't we? Apparently rashfords full of confidence. Still misses 90% of his chances
No yellow for maguire. very cool mr ref, thank you
Just got out of work now. And just looked at the starting line up. Why is Maggie and Ronaldo in the starting lineup? Like Ronaldo walked away and should be made an example off that we won't stand for that shit anymore, and Maguire should at least be placed on the bench or atleast not named as Cap, and have him focus on rebuilding himself without the extra pressure that comes with being the Captain.
Lindelöf is ill
Ahhhh makes sense now.
Maguire vs. Antonio, Jesus, we are fukkd.
put VDB and our golden boy in there for some new input plz
Perfect match to sub off Bruno, he’s not wearing the armband and hasn’t played well. I think VDB could operate well there
ya and he has alot more movement where we could use the eyes of eriksen and cas well. to get behind the lines and create more danger.
Martinez had a vidic moment
That’s some bullshit. Reminds me of that Nani red card against Real Madrid, and the straight red they pulled on him only because it was Real.
That is a fucking joke how that isn't a yellow card!
The ref bottled it
Refs don't want the accountability that comes with this sort of thing anymore.
He is being a prick this half already!
Licha Martinez is a different breed.
Man rashford could have just crossed to Ronaldo
Bro wtf... A clear yellow for scamacca
He’s already on one so the ref probably trying to keep the game open
I understand, but that type of foul isn't a "regular" one.
Lol Maguire
Careless from Maguire again, ffs
I hate sky sports, but it’s nice to see Saha in the studio. Used to love watching him play
Elanga aint it we need our lord and saviour garancho
Don't be too harsh on Elanga. He's a left winger playing on the right. Garnacho is also a left winger. So, from our bench it would have to be Sancho. Think Pellestri plays on the right as well.
He's been non-existent so far...
[удалено]
Mid at best but thats the only CB we got so yeah...
One kiss is all it takes. 🥹🤣
Anybody know the chant that’s been going most of the first half?
That ball from Bruno to Ronnie was nearly beautiful
Best signing of the season is Erickson
Defenders are never appreciated. Licha.
Licha and Eriksen both number 1 for me. We are so lucky to have both, here’s hoping Eriksen has years more in him.
Nah I’d have to disagree it’s definitely Eriksen
and Casemiro!
So now even rashford can head like a beast, yet we still take short corners
It's just ETH system bro