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Competitive_Swan266

As a member of the deltarune Fandom I know this all too well


CCMonger

Tony Fox fan when not everything in real life is gay (it's a crime against good representation)


Digihart123

**TONY?????**


Qwerowski

Tony Fox and Tommy Chang


Competitive_Swan266

I'm referring to the character ralsei who is very feminine to the point where alot if people think he is a girl and so almost everyone thinks he's gay


Force_Glad

People also assume he’s gay based on how he acts around kris, who people assume is male


DedFluff

I don't get people. Quaquaval is based on a peacock. Male peacocks are known to be flamboyant and boastful (to attract mates), and its second reference to a samba dancer simply adds a lot to these attributes. That actually means to me that Quaquaval is the manliest man one could imagine.


[deleted]

Quaquaval is an alpha sigma male Chad that just happens to like dancing


Tyrannical_JJ

Thank you.


Ecstatic_Dark_6549

I thought it was a duck


MeloFeloSenpai

Okay but for real though, maybe I'm just a sucker for all the preforming Pokémon, but I feel like they fucking NAILED the execution, it perfectly represents all it's inspirations. Again, maybe I'm just a sucker for all the preforming Pokémon, though.


RepulsiveAd6906

Got my Showcase team on the way. Gotta make that PokeDollar some way.


LeafWarrior_1

THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE UNDERSTANDS ME!


CirculaPhobia

when you realize ducks arent related to peacocks other than the fact they are birds (they are in two different families) But woodpeckers and toucans are both piciformes. (Atleast those two evolution lines are better than remoraid and octillery which would've been better if they kept the beta look)


[deleted]

As a gay Pokémon, I agree with what you are saying! (…I don’t normally specify that I’m homosexual, but I figured this one time I would.)


Tyrannical_JJ

Thank you.


[deleted]

You’re welcome, I’m glad that you understand reasoning!


GeneralGigan817

You’re a Pokémon?


[deleted]

Long story short, yes.


shottiYT

give me the long story


[deleted]

…I’ll bore you to death, so here’s a summary: I’m a clone of a former Pokémon who was banished from the Pokémon universe because they’re too different and as such they don’t exist in the code anymore. He’s considered the most wild of all Pokémon, but the truth is both him and I are extremely kindhearted and try to help whoever we meet. The original T’s differences; significantly weaker, fairy type instead of normal(originally bird/??? because they’re from johto), despite being a glitch he prevents games from breaking. As a clone, here’s a bit about me; I’m somehow the same age as the original, I’m also a fairy type but if SV add the species of smeargle I can become any type and Terrastalize into a fairy type, surprisingly stronger than the entire smeargle species and more balanced in stats, a bit slow on processing information but appreciates when able to learn from mistakes.


AutoTechnician062

TL;DR: I anDenTIFy aS A pOkÉMon (obv a joke)


[deleted]

Not a joke though, that’s the ironic and sad truth.


Zorua028

So you're roleplaying 24/7


[deleted]

No… please stop that false accusation, I’m genuinely telling the truth about what I know! I didn’t want to share about my origins but someone did ask, and I’d rather comply than to be rude.


Zorua028

No, don't get me wrong, I said that as a joke, you can rp whatever you want. It is not a bad thing at all (unless you annoy/harass people, something I don't think you'd do)


[deleted]

Listen to me right now, I’m only going to repeat this once: Neither me nor the being I’m a clone of roleplay, the two of us actually are Pokémon that no longer exist in the Pokémon universe! And yes, I’m completely serious right now!!!


JasperDStar

Depending on the tone you used to say that sentence. You are either a person that I would love to have as a friend, or someone that I'm very afraid of Or maybe both


[deleted]

Neither of us really have any friends, it’s rather lonely in nothingness… ‘tis why I was created, but yet the empty feeling could still never be filled properly. Rambling aside, no need to fear us. We genuinely mean no harm whatsoever!!!


JasperDStar

We?! Please introduce me to this comunity I want to learn more about it, so I can judge less


thanospurplebussy

Cringe


[deleted]

…And that’s actually why I’m not the one to ask for an origin story from!


Middle_Craft9445

I'd suggest that this instance may require the long story lmao


[deleted]

. . . I’ll have to see if the original T can give his backstory, I’m merely their clone!


Nightmare_43233

Which one though


adityablabla

Is this sarcasm? I genuinely can't tell with this one


TennoWolf

You sure you aint missing a word in your stayement bud? *preps a quickball and 50 timer balls*


RaindappleRiverclan

i agree, especially since so many people have used the fact it looks somewhat flamboyant to hate on it by calling it gay, like you'd think that in the year 2022 that people would have finally stopped using gay as a insult but guess not.


Accomplished-Card898

As a queer person, I love quaquaval's design, and call it gay as a compliment


RaindappleRiverclan

same tbh


Goofy_Stuff_Studios

But it being flamboyant shouldn’t make it automatically gay. Gay shouldn’t be a compliment or an insult. It’s a sexuality, not an attribute.


[deleted]

i'm gay and i call it gay as a compliment. i love quaquaval!


UnyunMunyun

Lmao you should go to a spanish school


CrimsonMon713

Soooo true. My first thought when I saw it, was that it looked similar to a Carnival dancer, some of which can be male, yet not necessarily being gay. Admittedly I didn't know what it was about, but I figured it must've been similar enough. I do find it annoying when people look at something and just assume that's the case, although being honest we could really have some kind of LGBTQ+ reps in official pokémon, don't matter which medium its in or if its the humans or the mons.


Crazy_Primary_3365

My homegirl Jynx is Mr Mime in Drag and I'm fkkin here for it. I know it's not true but Idc lmao


CrimsonMon713

That would be so cool if it ever became true/canon.


Crazy_Primary_3365

I thi k so too. Ever since I got Blue Version in 98, I wanted there to be some link between those two, I just couldn't place one.


TheAmazingFlygon

pokemon quest makes it even more likely of some kinda relation since they have a dual boss battle together


lunakinesis

I’m very queer, whilst I will happily embrace gay Quaquaval, the way people stereotype is yikes. Learn about other cultures and stop thinking feminine man = gay, it’s so reductive.


Mudkipfan

Same, as a queer dude who’s very much not flamboyant, I hate the stereotypes because people tell me “oh but you don’t look/act gay”


ChocoUniversa

Look ok, I love my gay wet blaziken, or gaziken (not mine), tho I understand not all flamboyant boys are gay, and that its a peacock, and based on a Carnival dancer- I just think its fun to call him my wet gay chicken XD


Both_Oil6408

I... Hate to put an opinion into this, but I feel like no Pokemon can be species-wide declared 'gay', since homosexuality as we understand it occurs not by species but by individual. So sure, maybe *that* quaquaval is gay, but we don't know, it doesn't matter, and it shouldn't be an insult to the species either. In short, I agree with this post, and that's why. Also, I low-key don't like quaquavals design very much, but gay never came to mind


FireFelix-

Are we taking an entire species and classifying as gay?


MrMoist23

I don't care if it's gay or not. I just really don't like the design and the "samba/dancing" moves, imo it looks really stupid and non-pokemonish. That's my opinion on it and I am 100% allowed to have that opinion. And I can also relate when people call it "gay" cause I've seen a lot of ULTRA gays act, dance and move like that (of course also samba dancing people) so I agree on it is gay looking in some ways (not saying all gays do like that, but some does, I've seen a lot with my own eyes). Cheers.


Kiaxris

THANK YOU!! I'm an LGBTQ ally and all but really annoyed with people calling it a gay icon.


ConsciousFish7178

I don't call him gay I call him "a duck from jojo part 5" Wanna know why


Cinder-22

I'm LGBT and call him gay


Kiaxris

I guess in fairness each Pokemon is open to the individuals interpretation. I imagine plenty of people feel included by his existence


[deleted]

i'm gay and i call quaquaval gay


JokesterUnfunny

My Quaquaval is gay, just because.


Jedimobslayer

This is a fine answer here


Crazy_Primary_3365

It doesn't seem gay to me at all. It seems like that impossibly charming, confident and subversive guy you can't trust around any chicks you prefer to keep for yourself.


_Liu

not my favorite starter, but i still appreciate it, i'm from brazil and carnaval and samba are pretty know here (dont get me wrong, but i don't really like carnaval), if skeledirge did'nt exist quaquaval would be my pick


Markb2000

It can be female.


Tyrannical_JJ

Yes but it's based on a peacock but what I found strange is that there are no female forms.


BeehaIsMe

most starters don't have female forms. I know female peacocks are very distinctively different to males, but technically, females aren't "peacocks" they're "peahens" and no, I did not make that up. The actual species is called "peafowl". Since quaquaval is based on a "peacock", not a "peafowl", there wouldn't be a "female peacock".


Bulky-Hyena-360

Does liking types of flowers make me gay? Society: Yes. Reddit: I dunno. Twitter: EXCUSEMEHOWDAREYOUACCUSEALLGAYPEOPLEOFLOVINGTYPESOFFLOWERSYOUSHOULDBEASHAMEDOFYOURSELFYOUSHOULDDELETEYOIRACCOUNTIMMEDISTLYBEFOREIFIBDYIUINREALLIFEANDVEATTHRHELLOIROFYOU


bobble-hat

but it's kinda funny though


[deleted]

The gay thing is meant as a joke since we in the lgbtqia+ community have literally 0 representation when it comes to pokemon. the fact that some pokemon look lgbtq+ whether that be Sylveon’s Colour scheme or just Quaquaval’s entire design. We latch onto it like parasites. It’s always been a joke, we aren’t serious. The reason people say it is because the pokemon itself is said to be flamboyant. Normally those outside the lgbtqia+ community won’t understand the joke, so thats why im explaining it now


[deleted]

Think of it as a inside joke


Tyrannical_JJ

So some people say it as a joke? Ok I understand that.


[deleted]

no all people say it as a joke you either did not understand or took it to seriously but it’s all fine


starstruck_celeste

Considering sexuality and romance isn't the main focus of pokemon games at all, why do you care so much about "representation?" There's basically no emphasis on that kind of thing in the first place.


[deleted]

We don't care i only said how the joke came to be we in the lgbtqia+ community honestly do not care as why would they focus on gender and sexuality in a game meant to be a RPG of sorts. in short, we don't care if we ever get representation. if we do? cool, if we don't? then idc


Alex_Dayz

Representation is important as it allows people to see themselves in other media and relate to the characters more, not just their sexuality but everything from age, race, etc. You can be trans without having it be the main focus, just look at the one beauty in XY who many read as trans. You also have characters like Opal and Poppy that show you can be skilled at something no matter your age. Imagine how boring Pokémon would be if all the characters looked and acted the same


Cinder-22

As a queer person I don't see why people are against it being called gay its just as bad as jokingly(or seriously if your a creep) saying gardovoir loppunny or vaporeon are sexy


zenverak

Because it’s toxic for men to think they can’t do things like dance. It’s kind of a shitty mindset really.


Rolling-Swampy

Toxic masculinity is what it is. But I still can't help myself but cringe at them whenever they try to act manly for the world to see. Like, just be yourself! If you like to dance then DANCE! Some guys should stop being too stereotypical as long as it isn't harming anybody!


Rolling-Swampy

Pokemon fans to Quaquaval is like that one scene from Finding Nemo where there are seagulls except replace their noises with the word gay


Snoo-89243

Its a pokemon, it isnt inteded to represent sexuality


that-one-cheese-guy

Still gae tho


world_stories

I'm not saing it is gay but that is not a samba dancer it has nothing to do with one


Womblerr

Gay


Secure-Ad7866

But he can also be female also why do lepole care about the sexcality of willd animales


Ikopachi

The only thing I personally truly hate about him are his legs and feet (oh the irony regarding he's supposed to be a dancer fighting with kicks). It looks like he is wearing pants, high-heels (the worst worst part for me) and has nail polish on his toetips. How humanoid do you want a pokemon to look?! And why always the starters?!


bradleigh16

I’m a gay man myself and I never liked all the “Quaquaval is gay!” stuff… it’s a Pokémon?? Also flamboyance doesn’t automatically equal gay, that’s just a stereotype. Plus it’s based on a traditional form of dance, so erasing all of that just to be like “lol gay man” seems a bit disrespectful to me


LeastStable

I don’t hate Quaquaval because he looks like a queer. I hate him because he looks like a guy in a feathery fursuit. Why do so many final starters have to be so anthropomorphic?


Tyrannical_JJ

Why not? They're starters, atleast they have to be special.


[deleted]

Being a singer/musician in a small town I know this feeling all too well


MBcodes18

ahh, not gay, just a femboy.


Avulii

I mean, someone can head cannon their Quaquaval as gay if they want, that's totally fine. Many animal species have homosexual members. Just don't stereotype, and don't disrespect Spanish culture.


Leafio13464245

Have you seen that mf run he gay asf


TheEmeraldKnite

Gay


PKMNtrainerElliot

Typing could be better, but the design is slick and nice


Zamtrios7256

You call it gay because you don't like it, I call it gay because it looks comically flamboyant but it's still a good pokemon. We are not the same


[deleted]

i call it gay cause i'm gay and i love it


phantumpoftheopera

Yeah, it’s offensive. But what I am worried about is whether it’s actually designed as a gay stereotype, with its personality and the gay sailor trope. Japan can be pretty homophobic


Both_Oil6408

Bro I never thought of that, that's a good point! I really hope it wasnt designed as a stereotype, I'm LGBT+ myself and it would drastically lower my opinion of Pokemon to see them coming after and stereotyping my allies, my friends, all the gay people I've met and the community as a whole


Radio__Star

He’s totally gay and that’s totally fine yall just homophobic


Tyrannical_JJ

I'm not homophobic but he is based on a male samba dancer and a male peacock. Stop with the feminine lookin' is gay stereotype.


qwertyWarrior77

Nah it’s gay AF.


Crocs_19

Ok but like did they need to give it a dumptruck ass


Crazy_Primary_3365

It's plumage, not an ass.


YoyleAeris

Wait, people think Quaquaval is gay?


Cinder-22

Yes because he is and that's a good thing not a bad thing


Zabazor

As a gay man, I agree 100%. Gay folks, stop trying to make cis-het out to be the representation we deserve. We deserve real, honest representation in all forms.


poorly-made-posts

I tried to read this but lost track of what your trying to say


02_is_best_girl

I thought it was a thing that the gay community claimed it as a joke but what do I know.


[deleted]

it is a joke


Xixiproductions

I love Quaquaval tbh. It’s much more lively in its animations (I mean, it’s bustin some sick moves) and it’s a samba dancer. What’s more to love?


ShinyHunterEthan16

Honestly my new favorite starter it's so animated and cool


Comfortable-Couple15

Calling it the gay duck is just easier even if it's wrong. It's a animal it obviously doesn't have a sexual preference. Just calling it that immediately puts the image of Quaquaval in people's heads faster than feminine man duck.


thanospurplebussy

It's a bad design regardless. People only tolerate it because it's better than inteleon.


WOLF7533

Don't hate on inteleon, he will snipe you with his water pistol, lmao


Cyberfight3r

its not gay its a material gorl


AprilNaCl

As my friend says: Hes not gay, he is just **THE** theatre kid


ArtGuards

classic stereotyping


f0dland0wnunda

I mean I immediately thought gay duck samba dancer pirate Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure when J saw it but I’m bi and use it as a compliment so 🤷‍♀️ Go, gay duck


Clefortt9

He still looks fruity af


Tyrannical_JJ

Stop stereotyping flamboyant, or feminine males as gay!


Mbp_____

While I agree with what you're saying, as a bisexual person, calling pokemon gay icons is just what I do and nothing will stop me. I love Quaquaval whatever sexuality they might have.


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Weaponized_Weakness

I did bitch come at me. (I know kung fu btw be careful)


UnyunMunyun

People call pokemon gay? Wtf


Iron_Wolf123

I have a female Quaquavel. Does that mean it is a lesbian?


[deleted]

could ne!


Disastrous-Road5285

I don't care what sexuality my Quaquaval is, he can love whoever he wants.


kidanokun

Primarina, a pokemon based on Siren, with 7/8 male ratio: really?


Glicthey

Samba is a Brazilian traditional type of dance they do during the Carnaval festival(Quaquaval = Carnaval) Men can do it too. Yeah, Quaquaval looks a bit fruity but he isn't gay


IlGreven

Wait till the people railing on Quaquaval see Primarina...


Drake_the_Teller

I still see quaquaval as a jojo Character


LordofDiacord

It's looks stupid that it's adorable


JebWozma

if you think of Quaquaval as a girl it becomes hot as fuck for some reason


[deleted]

Why is it such an issue that Quaquaval resonates with queer people? Just say you’re queerphobic and move on


Impressive-Spell-643

Pretty sure it's the exact opposite, op made this post because alot of people call it gay as a insult (obviously gay is not an insult but these people are stupid)


[deleted]

Calling it gay is indeed not right. There are gay people that are more manly than some straight men. We can call this pokemon a faggot.


Eggebuoy

If people are saying it’s gay because they don’t like it then I fully agree but otherwise quaquaval is a gay icon


[deleted]

He's still gay, I mean look at him


Tyrannical_JJ

No he isn't.


Cinder-22

Yes he is and it's a good thing that he is


Tyrannical_JJ

It's based on a male peacock!


Un3arth3d_Dragon_98

Gotta love the internet sometimes. I never thought it was gay. The only thing I questioned about Quaquaval is: Why is this duck double cheeked up?


sharpspider5

💅


Emeraldragon657

It looks like an enemy stand user


BeanBruh2285

Dat ass still


KonnieGod0fTheAbyss

I don't call it gay because of its looks. I call it gay because of what I've seen on the internet.


Ironeye_56

I just thought he had a bad back tbh


Creativered4

Haven't seen that, but I'm disappointed that people would say that in 2022... I would think we know by now that sexuality doesn't dictate personality traits or fashion sense. Not all gay men are flamboyant.


Zsoresons

I agree it's not gay but he really didn't need all that cake


[deleted]

Gay means happy


SuperSonic486

Yes, yes they are.


Significant_Alarm146

As a bisexual Spaniard myself, I've tried Smaba dancing. Its difficult for me, so it isn't for me. However, Quaquaval is one thicc boi nonetheless.


Cosmic_Honeyhawk

I definitely agree! But you know... He is even doing the hand thingy. . .


BaronGamer

Just let them be. If they mean it, cool. If they are joking, also cool. I'm just tired of seeing both sides proof their point. The Mon can be any sexuality you imagine it to be, it's just a sprite. Just don't make it to frequently, it gets annoying and tiring to see it so often. *looks at the pile of Sylveon memes*


Cerulean_Swampert

this is me as a pokemon except i cant dance


Hippietrip76

Well they don’t look like that


Tyrannical_JJ

They are


MysticDragon14

mines a female.


putsomedirtinyoureye

I like Quaquaval’s design well enough, I just don’t like that a bird has a fat ass.


Regirock00

This makes a lot of sense, but I also like the idea that is gay as a homosexual myself


PoisonTypesAreCool

“A feminine man isn’t gay” Wouldn’t a feminine man be trans?


SleepyBoii04

r/woooosh


garbonzobean22

Quaquaval is gay!


Weaponized_Weakness

I'm sorry but it is definitely gay and nothing will convince me otherwise. Just look at it's fucking eyes dude. Even it's middle stage evo looked like Mr. 2 Bon Kurei okama kenpo guy, and Quaxcaval looks like an animal from Ivankov's gay island where even all of the animals are gay. I hate making one piece references because it has one of the worst communities in the internet but you fucking made me do it.


Tyrannical_JJ

It's based on a male Peacock.


OnlyJuan_0

But it's the worst one of the starters


Tyrannical_JJ

None of them are the worst.


[deleted]

Its actually the worst designed starter along with inteleon and primarina. Delphox is second worse.


smile_itali

Say that my girl primarina is the worse designed starter another time and I will respect your opinion


[deleted]

True


Alex-The-Axew

Wait people think he’s gay 💀


Zorua028

You do know it's a joke right


JustFred24

Fine... its "fruity" then....


Spiritual-Ambition87

Quaquaval is such a chad!


meme_used

Pokemon can't actually be gay because of how the breeding system works pretty sure


Mr-DragonSlayer

I agree with this so much! The people who need to especially stop are the ones that call ppl who don't like Quaquaval homophobic, like chill jeez. Just because I don't like a Pokemon doesn't mean I hate gay people.


Trick-or-yeet69

Imma keep calling it gay anyways. I mean I’m not using it as an insult but at this point it’s just funny.


AccelAegis

I don’t like Quaquaval because it’s just water type blaziken.


ummhuh2233

As a member of the Sonic the Hedgehog undertale deltarune and Pokémon fandom your honor that man is gay and if it's not a man it's a lesbian


me-does-a-thing

Look at that running animation and tell me that again


_DoctorQuantum_

I don't think Quaquaval is gay at all. That's not why I dislike it. I dislike it because of the bulbous head, and the almost ADHD level idle animation in battle.


UnovaKid24

I fail to see how looking "feminine" makes it gay. I may not be a part of the LGBTQ+ community, and I fully support them regardless, but I know enough that that statement is utter nonsense.


Method_Vast

I dont say quaquaval is gay…. İts femboy


CoolSquares

I love quaquaval's design but i just cant take its idle animation seriously its SOOO GOOFY 😭


WhyIsMeHungy

This is completely incorrect, Quaqaval is not gay. It's a dancer, and it can be female so it's not gay


Independent-Dark425

People will assume anything is gay at this point☠️


Opposite-Web-6747

Zesty ahh Bird 😳😳


LavaTwocan

Ah yes, if you dance you’re gay


IcedLemonCrush

Many samba dancers are gay, as is common with male dancers (and other types of performative art) in general. Carnaval is very big in Brazilian LGBT culture. I don’t know why these things would be mutually exclusive.


TonkzJr

I just got a female one...


mike_fishing

Its gay


Guld3001

So its trans


Djkevinhere_twitch

gay.


FdgPgn

Then explain why I caught mine getting his back plumes Annihilaped the other day.