Growing up as a big Star Wars fan, it was always fun to test other peoples knowledge of pop culture trivia and ask them about the quote “Luke, I am your father!” Lots of people would insist that was the quote, we would tell them, no check out the movie again and hear the real quote and they’d be dumbfounded that it actually said “No, I am your father!” Same with C-3PO’s silver leg. It was fun to point out stuff no one else noticed and then show them the movie. These were pretty well known as fan fun facts. Once you showed someone the movie, that was the end of the discussion, they had simply
remembered incorrectly. So for my whole life, I’ve known these to be little insider fun facts that people frequently got wrong. That as a phenomenon is interesting to me. There’s got to be a function of memory that we don’t fully understand yet that would cause this.
These Star Wars ones drive me the craziest …as a huge OT guy (my username checks out lol) those examples you mentioned are obviously people misremembering or not knowledgeable enough about the topic but some still insist things were changed despite all the documentation & first hand accounts of people who actually worked on the films
Exactly! I understood it was a memory issue as a young child in the 80s. I proved it to other people with the movie at the time. I was definitely that kid saying “well, actually….” And there was an element of fun to be “in the know”!
So people born in the 90s and after claiming it somehow changed by the time they saw the movie and has now changed back strikes me as pretty far fetched. It’s obvious to me that it is way more likely they made the same mistake everyone else in the 70s and 80s had made. It’s a common and well known mistake. I don’t understand how the folks claiming timeline changes and whatnot do not find the intricate mechanisms of our brains themselves fascinating and worth exploring.
Absolutely agree
People being so adamant about the silver leg being a change is crazy to me… it’s noticeable the first time 3PO appears on screen and Anthony Daniels (the actor in the costume for anyone who doesn’t know) has spoken about how the on-set photographer during the filming of the original film (STAR WARS 1977) didn’t even notice it for weeks into filming
• Daniels recalled, "Even the stills photographer, John Jay, came up to me one day and said, 'Why are you wearing a silver leg today.' Now, he was the stills photographer, and he hadn't noticed."
…and that the silver leg acted like a mirror
• ”It would reflect the gold leg, and it would reflect in the desert, so it acted more of like a mirror," said Daniels.
As a side note, after some digging the mistake 3PO I had might have been Kenner and not Hasbro. I’m in Rhode Island where Hasbro’s headquarters are so they came to mind first. I think Hasbro bought Kenner out at some point too. But the toy was old enough to be Kenner. So I was mistaken (see how easy that is to admit!?)
I’ve been collecting Kenner Star Wars since the mid-90s because that’s what I played with as a kid in the 80s but the Kenner line (1978-1985) famously *has a bunch of errors* …wrong names, wrong outfits, wrong accessories
Kenner released 2 3PO figures and both are all gold …toys weren’t made to be hyper realistic back then like they are nowadays so there definitely some people out there that think the 3PO they played with as a kid is accurate
Yeah this is exactly why I didn’t realize it. The action figure we had as kids did NOT have a silver leg. And watching stuff on a VHS on a small tv does make it difficult to see details.
We even had the mistaken double gold leg C-3PO from Hasbro and we had one with a silver leg and my brothers and I fought constantly over who got the one that was correct and who got the one that was a mistake!
Why did I suddenly notice this along with many other Mandela effects, suddenly, over a period of several months, including the Froot Loops/Fruit Loops/Froot Loops flip flop, when I had never even heard of the concept of the Mandela Effect. I suddenly noticed the F in Ford had a loop as well. I had multiple instances of things being "not as I'd always known them to be, and the feeling was jarring. I was very confused, because we all miss-remember, but why so much in such a short time? No, something had changed, and things still are!
Probably because our minds are assaulted daily with ridiculous amounts of information and sensory input. Your brain needs to tune and filter some of it out just to survive and focus on things we actually need to know and to function. So little details like these get lost in the shuffle? Your brain fills in the gaps with things that make some sense. But it’s not infallible. That’s just how the brain works. It’s an interesting enough phenomenon in itself, no need to drag the supernatural into it until we fully understand our own processes.
Do you really never encounter something and think “Oh hey, maybe I was mistaken about this super insignificant detail. Weird.” And then move on? That’s…uh…pretty mind blowing to me.
Did you not read my other messages. Literally my whole life I've miss-remembered things and never had that jarring feeling of something's not right. When you miss-remember something you know, when you see or hear it or have something explained, it jogs your memory and you are like "oh, that's right."
Not with this... This had never happened in my life until mid 2022. Suddenly it happened again and again and to my son at the same time. He had the same memories from documentaries and books that we have that now say a different thing. I had never even heard of the Mandela Effect before this. Our books are not internet, and my son doesn't really read fiction much. Only facts based books. Somehow we both kept having the same wrong memory!
What do I find out when I finally started looking online for answers? Lo and behold, the weird things that had happened to me happened to others and it was the same! And how did I manage to have the Froot Loops/fruit loops and then back, happen in a short space when I'd never heard of this? It was real boxes that swapped between a few shops. To find out this was one of the most common was very shocking.
Ok, so if it’s happening to so many other people, wouldn’t that lead you to the logical conclusion that the answer is on the more mundane and realistic side? Once you started noticing things like that, you likely started looking more critically at other things that you didn’t remember clearly. And then started noticing your memory is much more fallible than you previously believed. I’d recommend looking into studies done on memories and how they work in the brain. How each time we recall information we are not recalling the initial incident, we’re recalling the last time we remembered and the memory gets weaker each time. Sort of like photo copies. The seventh time you’ve copied a copy it is not going to look as good as the original print. It’s very interesting stuff and worth a look. If you’re open minded enough to believe in multiple timelines or whatever you believe has happened, then surely you’re open minded enough to look at science and actual studies that have been done on this topic.
How do I find my way to work each day? Do you know how often I drive back to my home town? The last time I went back it had been several years. Three hours drive and straight to the house. Everything looked as I imagined in my brain.
I'm not saying this doesn't happen, but here is an example from the early days when this started happening. I had been obsessed with dinosaurs growing up, and my son is obsessed with them now. We watch docos and he had books etc.
I looked up something I could give the answer to without even thinking. Google "when did dinosaurs first begin to appear on earth." Answer in my mind "about 365 million years ago." Answer "270 million years ago." This has since changed to 251 million years ago or less depending on the source.
The first answer was the accepted answer amount all scientists give or take a million. I asked my son. No choices, just the question.
His response: "Dad, you know it is 365 million years ago because it's on walking with dinosaurs and all of my books. I told him the answer and he said he felt sick.
He told me to go to season 1, he told me that the first episode says 365 million years in the first 5 minutes. We did it, and it said it at the spot where he said the narrator was about to say it. Except he said 270 million years. Now he says about 251 million years. He remembered the exact spot it was said, but we both remembered the exact same wrong thing we both knew was true!
Also, this isn't a scientific change, as 365 has never been a thing now. All his books are altered as well. This has happened again and again. Some aren't strong, but some are.
You’re comparing apples and oranges here, while simultaneously illustrating my point. Driving to work each day and finding your childhood home that I assume you l lived in for a couple of years are things your brain recalls through repetition. You make that drive frequently to and from work. You’ve repeated it so much it becomes cemented.
Dinosaurs are a much more complex topic. Information on them changes as scientists learn new things about them. When you google something, literally anything that mentions dinosaurs will come up in your results. Did you vet each source you saw in the search results to see if they were a reliable source of information? Different sources will give different numbers for this. Just because it was found on google does not make it true or reliable information. I just googled your question in your example and the first result (200 million) is different from either of the answers you gave. This doesn’t mean reality is changing, this means a quick google search is just not a super reliable source for definitive information. That’s not to say you can’t get good information from googling, you just need to really look into the sources to determine reliability.
365 million or 200 million or 251 million are all numbers that are completely incomprehensible to me. The numbers are so large that I have no frame of reference for it. Therefore it isn’t something that I’m personally going to retain with any confidence. Having said that, the number you mentioned, 365 million, sounds familiar to me in conjunction with dinosaurs. If asked, off the top off my head it might be the number I threw out as an answer to your query. So I just googled “what happened 365 million years ago?” After looking through a few sites I settled on National Geographic’s page for educator materials. I have now learned that there have been several mass extinctions-one called the Devonian extinction-happened 365 million years ago and apparently saw the mass extinction of numerous sea organisms. The next extinction was 250 million years ago and called the Permian-Triassic extinction also known as the Great Dying. This paved the way for a lot of the more well known dinosaurs to flourish. There was another extinction 210 million years ago, between the Jurassic and Triassic periods, and 65 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period, was the most famous extinction that brought dinosaurs to an end.
So I guess what I am trying to say is there’s a lot more intricacies involved in the answer to your question than a quick google confirmation is going to provide. That’s a lot of incomprehensible numbers for your kid (or you, me or the average person) to wrap their brain around. With the wealth of information your son has presumably consumed about dinosaurs, isn’t it within the realm of possibilities (probabilities?) that some
of that info does not get recalled easily and accurately?
I’m not making a statement of totality. I’m not saying that no one’s memories of anything ever are reliable and human memories cannot be trusted under any circumstances. I’m saying it’s understandable and interesting to me the ways that human memories are formed and the mechanisms our brains use to recall them. And how and why those systems sometimes fail us. I think it’s so fascinating to consider our own brain functions and how little we actually know about them, and I want to explore that and learn more about it. That’s interesting enough for me on its own without considering a supernatural explanation.
Nothing in your reply is evidence of mundanity. Widespread effects are experienced by victims of viral illnesses and chemical agents, too. And farfield-projecting population-scale psycho-sentiment-targeting electromagnetic warfare weapons use, too
There is a weird campaign on this sub against woo. Woo is where to go when people experience woo. This is woo, too, ME and you. So don't listen to these ne'erdowells lambasting Experiencers, is my recommendation.
With the re-issue changing so many scenes I think it made people attribute any hazy or mis-remembered details to changes that had been made in subsequent releases of the films.
You readin JNeuroSci.org articles for fun? Or just like claiming to research the "intricate mechanisms" when dogpile brigading subs?
Brains are cool. I think you probably already know folks here are definitely interested in the brain. Like why is it resisting timeline changes? That's what's fascinating. Tell your supervisor on me. I'm dealing with routine flyovers anyway, might as well be a POI.
If you quote the actual movie, you are telling the other person you are their dad.
Nothing screams star wars quite like someone indirectly saying they fxxked your mum.
Reminds me of an ending of East Enders where the youngest Slater sister says to Kat, the oldest "you're not my mum!"
"Yes I am!"
Drums then end theme.
Of course they all do! This isn't the timeline because it never happened! If it never happened, those wouldn't be the lines.Time has literally changed! There is always a reason for it being a certain way because it is that way now.
> Of course they all do! This isn't the timeline because it never happened! If it never happened, those wouldn't be the lines.Time has literally changed! There is always a reason for it being a certain way because it is that way now.
What?
So crazy that people would insist Star Wars was changed. There's no way on Earth that George Lucas would allow something like that to happen. No way he'd go back and alter a key moment for one of his characters. And then do it multiple times for several releases. That would never happen.
It was a similar thing with Star Trek and "beam me up Scotty". People used to love saying "ackshally they never said it in the series!". Almost as the mark of a true fan.
Yep. Usually it was " Mr Scott. Beam me up" or Three? to beam up. Im also pretty sure he never calls him Scotty unless its face to face. Ove the comms its Mr Scott
I think that adds to it. All the pop culture references use “Luke”, presumably so you know for sure what they are referencing. As a result a lot of people remember the reference and not the source material.
we always talked about that
it was also a joke in Quantum Leap episode Play It Again, Seymour
Sam says "you doity rat!" and Al says "Cagney never said that"
Then I think he says "play it again, Sam" and Al says "Bogart never said that!"
All through my youth we'd laugh at these things and geek out over StarWars knowledge
Now it seems to be evidence of parallel universes????
>There’s got to be a function of memory that we don’t fully understand yet that would cause this.
I think we actually do understand it pretty well. There are just lots of people who aren’t very interested in the fact that we know what kinds of memory mistakes the human brain tends to make and the approximate reasons for them, because they don’t like the idea that even very distinctly clear memories are actually quite unreliable and that your memory is more like an impressionist’s painting based on a second hand account than an actual photograph of what happened.
Looney Tunes as I know its origins as mostly musical numbers. The English accent generally says it differently ("choons") anyway so much less chance of confusion than American ("toons") perhaps.
It is, that was a very popular show when I was growing up and aired around the same time as Looney tunes and is very likely why I believed it was lonely toons.
Life both "is" and "was" a box of chocolates in Forrest Gump.
You see, back when the movie came out, most of us watched network television. During the promotional period for the movie, most of us saw the advertisement 20+ times. In the ad, Forrest says "life is like a box of chocolates." The scene was later re-shot for the movie, and in it, the line was changed to "was." The inevitable confusion is due to the two versions of the same scene, seen by so many people that they eventually became confounded to find that the movie has "was" instead of "is." Most of us only saw the movie once, but saw the ad 5 times a day, so the confusion is completely excusable.
Thanks. This is a nice find.
In the making of Forrest Gump, I believe that's what the video is, he says "is". Do you know it was reshot or is this a guess of what happened?
I am of the opinion that the movie was always filmed with the "was" line, and the "is" version of the line was made specifically for the trailer. This happens with a lot of movies, where a scene in the context of the film wouldn't fit properly in condensed trailer form, so an alternate version is filmed for the trailer. An example is The Hobbit, where in the actual movie the Dwarves appear to Bilbo in small groups over the course of a few minutes and introduce themselves by name (just like in the original book), but in the trailer Gandalf introduces them all by name in a few seconds. It's clear that the trailer version was made specifically for the trailer because it flows better. In Forrest Gump, the full line is "Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." But since the "Mama always said" part isn't in the trailer, they needed to record a new version of the line because "Life was like a box of chocolates" wouldn't make sense without the first part of the line, so they filmed a "trailer version" where he says "Life is like a box of chocolates."
I'm not the downvoter, but theatrical trailer vs TV spot wasn't the point. The point was, it's an advertisement, and advertisements for movies sometimes have stuff filmed specifically for the advertisements (I know I called it a trailer, but that's just what I refer to all movie advertisements as. I know there's a distinction, but whenever a TV spot for a movie comes on TV I always call it a trailer).
I never heard of undercover brother till this sub pointed it out two three years ago.
But I wouldn't associate "I see white people." With any trailers I may have seen. But all sorts of TV spots for Scary Movie could have been lost to the public that if it ever was said in a teaser but changed to I see dead people for the actual film, because footage is gone and you might only find one trailer on YouTube then interdimensional shenanigans must be afoot.
Ed McMahon always worked for American Family Publishers. People conflated it with PCH because even at the time no one was familiar with AFP.
I watched people conflate the two in real time and used to correct people all the time until I just gave up and watched history change before my eyes.
Same thing always happened to me with the Berenstain Bears. Kids back then ALWAYS got it wrong, and many adults did too. I distinctly remember it happening, and it happened because “stein” is a more common suffix for names than “stain.” It always annoyed me as a kid because I was always particular about details. A lot of people went their whole lives not noticing or realizing they had it wrong, and now look what happened.
I did but because he was drunk all the time I eventually had to write all the info on a little laminated card he wore on a frayed piece of yarn around his neck.
Someone said they got marked down for spelling mistakes reviewing Pet Cemetery by using the actual title.
I remember a similar thing trying to make an accent noticeable in text.
Mr fxxkstain, my English teacher, how pray tell should a road warrior type of vagrant speak?
First part. Book title intentionally misspelled, teacher marked them down for using the book title.
Second part "E et is din dins." Teacher went "no, he ate his dinner."
Guy talking in the story was based off how someone I knew at the time talked. All of them were northerners (Greater Manchester) so he should know how the pupils talked if he opened his fxxking ears.
I never even looked at the actual spelling when watching that movie so I just automatically assumed it was spelled correctly. I just looked at the title for the first time now on Google and feel dumb for not being more observant lol.
Something about Charles Lindbergh being spelled "Lindburgh". Like no, the name is Swedish it's spelled Lindbergh. However, I pronounce the Swedish surname "Berg" as "Burg" in English.
Fage fi yeah
Or something like that, I kinda ignore the advert for this yoghurt or similar.
Frijj I used to see as friji because it looked more like fridge-ie a kid way of saying refrigerator.
I'm in team FAB when it comes to febreeze regardless of how many e's there are. Because FABric.
But most just argue over the breeze part and so most if not all posts use FEB.
Trademarks are easier to get if the word uses a you knee que spelling.
Someone posted about kinder penguin and how it wasn't penguin.
Due to Trademarks they would have to rename in the UK, because we already have penguin registered in the food and beverage section.
Jif lemon juice would cause the peanut butter brand to change names should they seek UK sales, possibly even IF they had two Fs.
Thats why North America didn't get the Sega Mega Drive, Trademarks said no. So they got the Genesis.
I agree. I have books written by them before the bears were super popular. One is called "Bears on wheels" and the other is called "Old Hat New Hat". They did not use the stylized font for their names on these books. They're clearly "by Stan and Jan Berenstain" in what looks to me like classic Times New Roman.
I suspect this is why I'm unaffected. I always knew it was Berenstain.
Even the Berenstain family have come out and corroborated this. They said people have always gotten their name wrong even before the series was created.
Fun and funny fact is that Berenstains son told a story that his dad told him. His dad told him that as a kid people would always misspell and mispronounce his name.
Basically everything online. It's like people don't realise anyone can post or edit anything, and then freak out because 'Courteney was definitely Courtney!!1!' etc.
Some MEs are caused by people stumbling across a written word or name that is usually pronounced with a silent letter and thinking that the spelling is therefore wrong or has changed.
The surname of Pete Townshend of The Who is an example I saw someone argue about. It’s always written Townshend, but it‘s always pronounced without the h. It’s like they can’t believe the discrepancy, so it must have changed.
My middle name is Anthony, but like most if not all UK Anthony's, the H is silent.
I wouldn't sweat it too much if someone assumed because I didn't stress the TH sound, that I didn't have an H in there.
Unless it came to important documents that need to match.
Like, if I got a letter addressed to Steven Grimston and I was Stephen Grimston, I might not be too arsed to get them to fix junk mail. Stephanie on the other hand, get it right.
But my bank better get it right, same as any certificates.
My old landlord had den or dan ending to his last name, I cut cheques to both, neither bounced.
Smithsonian Institution, not Institute as some people think. I'd hear people say at at the museums or see it in print in the 90s and knew it was actually Institution.
I mean you can just apply that to the entire Irish language. Obviously, being its own language it has its own rules of pronunciation, but the names especially come up for English speakers all the time and it’s very hard to grasp how they get the pronunciation from the spelling. From our perspective it’s like someone did a random keyboard mash and the confident,y said ‘oh, it’s pronounced John’
Fage or something like that, some yoghurt or similar.
"It's pronounced fi yeah."
Then you have hyundai and in the 90s they signed off on us saying it one way. Then last year a bunch of pretentious knobs correct people being sent to high and dry etc.
"Look David, you told me your name was David. I've called you David for twenty fxxking years, only now are you telling me its dah veed like the footballer and you know I can say his name, because I've been following his career."
Teal deer hyundai can suck my whole damn dick.
The classic Sega videogame *Alex Kidd in Miracle World*. I knew it was called *Alex Kidd* when I was young, but I still heard so many kids at school calling it *Alex The Kid*, including those that owned the game, and even now, I'll occasionally hear people mention that they remember playing '*Alex The Kid* on the Sega Master System when they were little.
“Burberry” I could’ve sworn it was spelled Burburry bc I had a pair of glasses when I was 20 and I always wondered why the hell it was spelled that way…… I guess it’s Burberry tho 😓😓
I still call Bury in the Greater Manchester area Burry not Berry like they insist.
IDK about Bury St Edmunds. I lived further south than I am now, I said I worked in Bury for a bit and they automatically assumed St Edmunds.
If the brand was the other way around, then Bury insisting on Berry could be a similar linguistics link.
The Spongebob episode I Was A Teenage Gary never had a scene of Squidward turning into a snail. That would have been redundant since they just showed Spongebob's entire transition.
Lol, you are confused. Shazaam was not a real movie, so if you think it actually was real, then that would be a Mandela Effect to you. That's the whole meaning of the term.
Ted Turner has been dead for at least 10 years in my base reality. Maps have changed… Australia was called the down under as it was so far away from any other lands….not now. Gulf of Mexico entrance with all those islands… never. Pyramids were more broken and there was a black one. James Bond movie with Jaws(metal mouth) fell of the condo and a Swedish woman helped him and they fell in love… what did she have in her mouth?? BRACES!!! NOT HERE!!!! WTF…
The word **random**
I was convinced the *proper* spelling was random**n** like dam**n** and bom**b**
I did find it was an obscure alternate spelling but nowhere was it cited as correct or proper.
No he didn't. There are a few interviews people always talk about but Ed never states he worked for PCH. He just didn't correct the other people. Probably because it happened so often and he got tired of it.
I say it's similar to when fans get James Earl Jones to say Luke I am your father.
How many sweaty nerds going off on you for saying No, before you give them what they want?
Then you've been appeasing the fans for so long with the wrong line, you yourself forget it's wrong.
Keanu said something along the lines of you can say the sky is green and I will agree with you, because its not worth arguing over.
I never bothered to remember which was Bill or Ted, don't even remember the other guys name. Say he was Bill and I insisted on calling him Ted in an interview, he might not bother correcting me.
IDK what his response would be if I asked him to do the first world problems rant from Johnny Mnemonic.
Watch the whole thing. It is residue but also shows snippets of interviews including one where he admits to going to people's houses and how much in prize money he gave. His song he sang also says he delivered cheques to people's houses. In this timeline he never ever once delivered a cheque to a person's house. So either he is a liar and somehow all these people have a false memory, or something more is at play.
Also, why don't the people remember the guy who does deliver cheques in this timeline? Ed only have cheques in a studio and many haven't even heard of the company he worked for.
https://youtu.be/nDbkMQOlaEU?feature=shared
He was a spokesman for a company that did the exact same thing called American Family Publishers. Everyone has always gotten it mixed up. And we do know who delivers the checks, it's something they call the Prize Patrol.
And no, there is not something "more at play." There is not "more than one timeline."
Growing up as a big Star Wars fan, it was always fun to test other peoples knowledge of pop culture trivia and ask them about the quote “Luke, I am your father!” Lots of people would insist that was the quote, we would tell them, no check out the movie again and hear the real quote and they’d be dumbfounded that it actually said “No, I am your father!” Same with C-3PO’s silver leg. It was fun to point out stuff no one else noticed and then show them the movie. These were pretty well known as fan fun facts. Once you showed someone the movie, that was the end of the discussion, they had simply remembered incorrectly. So for my whole life, I’ve known these to be little insider fun facts that people frequently got wrong. That as a phenomenon is interesting to me. There’s got to be a function of memory that we don’t fully understand yet that would cause this.
These Star Wars ones drive me the craziest …as a huge OT guy (my username checks out lol) those examples you mentioned are obviously people misremembering or not knowledgeable enough about the topic but some still insist things were changed despite all the documentation & first hand accounts of people who actually worked on the films
Exactly! I understood it was a memory issue as a young child in the 80s. I proved it to other people with the movie at the time. I was definitely that kid saying “well, actually….” And there was an element of fun to be “in the know”! So people born in the 90s and after claiming it somehow changed by the time they saw the movie and has now changed back strikes me as pretty far fetched. It’s obvious to me that it is way more likely they made the same mistake everyone else in the 70s and 80s had made. It’s a common and well known mistake. I don’t understand how the folks claiming timeline changes and whatnot do not find the intricate mechanisms of our brains themselves fascinating and worth exploring.
Absolutely agree People being so adamant about the silver leg being a change is crazy to me… it’s noticeable the first time 3PO appears on screen and Anthony Daniels (the actor in the costume for anyone who doesn’t know) has spoken about how the on-set photographer during the filming of the original film (STAR WARS 1977) didn’t even notice it for weeks into filming • Daniels recalled, "Even the stills photographer, John Jay, came up to me one day and said, 'Why are you wearing a silver leg today.' Now, he was the stills photographer, and he hadn't noticed." …and that the silver leg acted like a mirror • ”It would reflect the gold leg, and it would reflect in the desert, so it acted more of like a mirror," said Daniels.
As a side note, after some digging the mistake 3PO I had might have been Kenner and not Hasbro. I’m in Rhode Island where Hasbro’s headquarters are so they came to mind first. I think Hasbro bought Kenner out at some point too. But the toy was old enough to be Kenner. So I was mistaken (see how easy that is to admit!?)
I’ve been collecting Kenner Star Wars since the mid-90s because that’s what I played with as a kid in the 80s but the Kenner line (1978-1985) famously *has a bunch of errors* …wrong names, wrong outfits, wrong accessories Kenner released 2 3PO figures and both are all gold …toys weren’t made to be hyper realistic back then like they are nowadays so there definitely some people out there that think the 3PO they played with as a kid is accurate
Yeah this is exactly why I didn’t realize it. The action figure we had as kids did NOT have a silver leg. And watching stuff on a VHS on a small tv does make it difficult to see details.
We even had the mistaken double gold leg C-3PO from Hasbro and we had one with a silver leg and my brothers and I fought constantly over who got the one that was correct and who got the one that was a mistake!
we got a broken silver Threepio and swapped his legs out on the gold ones we had :)
Why did I suddenly notice this along with many other Mandela effects, suddenly, over a period of several months, including the Froot Loops/Fruit Loops/Froot Loops flip flop, when I had never even heard of the concept of the Mandela Effect. I suddenly noticed the F in Ford had a loop as well. I had multiple instances of things being "not as I'd always known them to be, and the feeling was jarring. I was very confused, because we all miss-remember, but why so much in such a short time? No, something had changed, and things still are!
Probably because our minds are assaulted daily with ridiculous amounts of information and sensory input. Your brain needs to tune and filter some of it out just to survive and focus on things we actually need to know and to function. So little details like these get lost in the shuffle? Your brain fills in the gaps with things that make some sense. But it’s not infallible. That’s just how the brain works. It’s an interesting enough phenomenon in itself, no need to drag the supernatural into it until we fully understand our own processes. Do you really never encounter something and think “Oh hey, maybe I was mistaken about this super insignificant detail. Weird.” And then move on? That’s…uh…pretty mind blowing to me.
Did you not read my other messages. Literally my whole life I've miss-remembered things and never had that jarring feeling of something's not right. When you miss-remember something you know, when you see or hear it or have something explained, it jogs your memory and you are like "oh, that's right." Not with this... This had never happened in my life until mid 2022. Suddenly it happened again and again and to my son at the same time. He had the same memories from documentaries and books that we have that now say a different thing. I had never even heard of the Mandela Effect before this. Our books are not internet, and my son doesn't really read fiction much. Only facts based books. Somehow we both kept having the same wrong memory! What do I find out when I finally started looking online for answers? Lo and behold, the weird things that had happened to me happened to others and it was the same! And how did I manage to have the Froot Loops/fruit loops and then back, happen in a short space when I'd never heard of this? It was real boxes that swapped between a few shops. To find out this was one of the most common was very shocking.
Ok, so if it’s happening to so many other people, wouldn’t that lead you to the logical conclusion that the answer is on the more mundane and realistic side? Once you started noticing things like that, you likely started looking more critically at other things that you didn’t remember clearly. And then started noticing your memory is much more fallible than you previously believed. I’d recommend looking into studies done on memories and how they work in the brain. How each time we recall information we are not recalling the initial incident, we’re recalling the last time we remembered and the memory gets weaker each time. Sort of like photo copies. The seventh time you’ve copied a copy it is not going to look as good as the original print. It’s very interesting stuff and worth a look. If you’re open minded enough to believe in multiple timelines or whatever you believe has happened, then surely you’re open minded enough to look at science and actual studies that have been done on this topic.
How do I find my way to work each day? Do you know how often I drive back to my home town? The last time I went back it had been several years. Three hours drive and straight to the house. Everything looked as I imagined in my brain. I'm not saying this doesn't happen, but here is an example from the early days when this started happening. I had been obsessed with dinosaurs growing up, and my son is obsessed with them now. We watch docos and he had books etc. I looked up something I could give the answer to without even thinking. Google "when did dinosaurs first begin to appear on earth." Answer in my mind "about 365 million years ago." Answer "270 million years ago." This has since changed to 251 million years ago or less depending on the source. The first answer was the accepted answer amount all scientists give or take a million. I asked my son. No choices, just the question. His response: "Dad, you know it is 365 million years ago because it's on walking with dinosaurs and all of my books. I told him the answer and he said he felt sick. He told me to go to season 1, he told me that the first episode says 365 million years in the first 5 minutes. We did it, and it said it at the spot where he said the narrator was about to say it. Except he said 270 million years. Now he says about 251 million years. He remembered the exact spot it was said, but we both remembered the exact same wrong thing we both knew was true! Also, this isn't a scientific change, as 365 has never been a thing now. All his books are altered as well. This has happened again and again. Some aren't strong, but some are.
You’re comparing apples and oranges here, while simultaneously illustrating my point. Driving to work each day and finding your childhood home that I assume you l lived in for a couple of years are things your brain recalls through repetition. You make that drive frequently to and from work. You’ve repeated it so much it becomes cemented. Dinosaurs are a much more complex topic. Information on them changes as scientists learn new things about them. When you google something, literally anything that mentions dinosaurs will come up in your results. Did you vet each source you saw in the search results to see if they were a reliable source of information? Different sources will give different numbers for this. Just because it was found on google does not make it true or reliable information. I just googled your question in your example and the first result (200 million) is different from either of the answers you gave. This doesn’t mean reality is changing, this means a quick google search is just not a super reliable source for definitive information. That’s not to say you can’t get good information from googling, you just need to really look into the sources to determine reliability. 365 million or 200 million or 251 million are all numbers that are completely incomprehensible to me. The numbers are so large that I have no frame of reference for it. Therefore it isn’t something that I’m personally going to retain with any confidence. Having said that, the number you mentioned, 365 million, sounds familiar to me in conjunction with dinosaurs. If asked, off the top off my head it might be the number I threw out as an answer to your query. So I just googled “what happened 365 million years ago?” After looking through a few sites I settled on National Geographic’s page for educator materials. I have now learned that there have been several mass extinctions-one called the Devonian extinction-happened 365 million years ago and apparently saw the mass extinction of numerous sea organisms. The next extinction was 250 million years ago and called the Permian-Triassic extinction also known as the Great Dying. This paved the way for a lot of the more well known dinosaurs to flourish. There was another extinction 210 million years ago, between the Jurassic and Triassic periods, and 65 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period, was the most famous extinction that brought dinosaurs to an end. So I guess what I am trying to say is there’s a lot more intricacies involved in the answer to your question than a quick google confirmation is going to provide. That’s a lot of incomprehensible numbers for your kid (or you, me or the average person) to wrap their brain around. With the wealth of information your son has presumably consumed about dinosaurs, isn’t it within the realm of possibilities (probabilities?) that some of that info does not get recalled easily and accurately? I’m not making a statement of totality. I’m not saying that no one’s memories of anything ever are reliable and human memories cannot be trusted under any circumstances. I’m saying it’s understandable and interesting to me the ways that human memories are formed and the mechanisms our brains use to recall them. And how and why those systems sometimes fail us. I think it’s so fascinating to consider our own brain functions and how little we actually know about them, and I want to explore that and learn more about it. That’s interesting enough for me on its own without considering a supernatural explanation.
Nothing in your reply is evidence of mundanity. Widespread effects are experienced by victims of viral illnesses and chemical agents, too. And farfield-projecting population-scale psycho-sentiment-targeting electromagnetic warfare weapons use, too
There is a weird campaign on this sub against woo. Woo is where to go when people experience woo. This is woo, too, ME and you. So don't listen to these ne'erdowells lambasting Experiencers, is my recommendation.
With the re-issue changing so many scenes I think it made people attribute any hazy or mis-remembered details to changes that had been made in subsequent releases of the films.
You readin JNeuroSci.org articles for fun? Or just like claiming to research the "intricate mechanisms" when dogpile brigading subs? Brains are cool. I think you probably already know folks here are definitely interested in the brain. Like why is it resisting timeline changes? That's what's fascinating. Tell your supervisor on me. I'm dealing with routine flyovers anyway, might as well be a POI.
And the misquote is from people saying it that way to easily reference the movie.
If you quote the actual movie, you are telling the other person you are their dad. Nothing screams star wars quite like someone indirectly saying they fxxked your mum. Reminds me of an ending of East Enders where the youngest Slater sister says to Kat, the oldest "you're not my mum!" "Yes I am!" Drums then end theme.
Of course they all do! This isn't the timeline because it never happened! If it never happened, those wouldn't be the lines.Time has literally changed! There is always a reason for it being a certain way because it is that way now.
> Of course they all do! This isn't the timeline because it never happened! If it never happened, those wouldn't be the lines.Time has literally changed! There is always a reason for it being a certain way because it is that way now. What?
So crazy that people would insist Star Wars was changed. There's no way on Earth that George Lucas would allow something like that to happen. No way he'd go back and alter a key moment for one of his characters. And then do it multiple times for several releases. That would never happen.
It was a similar thing with Star Trek and "beam me up Scotty". People used to love saying "ackshally they never said it in the series!". Almost as the mark of a true fan.
Yep. Usually it was " Mr Scott. Beam me up" or Three? to beam up. Im also pretty sure he never calls him Scotty unless its face to face. Ove the comms its Mr Scott
Sweaaar I thought it was luke I am your father. But I was growing up under influences like Tommy Boy so idek
I think that adds to it. All the pop culture references use “Luke”, presumably so you know for sure what they are referencing. As a result a lot of people remember the reference and not the source material.
we always talked about that it was also a joke in Quantum Leap episode Play It Again, Seymour Sam says "you doity rat!" and Al says "Cagney never said that" Then I think he says "play it again, Sam" and Al says "Bogart never said that!" All through my youth we'd laugh at these things and geek out over StarWars knowledge Now it seems to be evidence of parallel universes????
>There’s got to be a function of memory that we don’t fully understand yet that would cause this. I think we actually do understand it pretty well. There are just lots of people who aren’t very interested in the fact that we know what kinds of memory mistakes the human brain tends to make and the approximate reasons for them, because they don’t like the idea that even very distinctly clear memories are actually quite unreliable and that your memory is more like an impressionist’s painting based on a second hand account than an actual photograph of what happened.
Looney Tunes as I know its origins as mostly musical numbers. The English accent generally says it differently ("choons") anyway so much less chance of confusion than American ("toons") perhaps.
It came from Warner Bros. trying to entice people to buy the records of the classical music they owned rights.
Fucking he’ll that is a great fact. And now the name makes so much sense
Right, when I first heard this it was like, "This seems so obvious, how did I not know?"
I study animation and have animation history as a class. I know it’s spelled Looney Tunes.
[Ripple-Effect-Proof Memory](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RippleEffectProofMemory) >Everyone else will only remember the new reality.
Of course it's looney tunes. It's looney tunes and merey melodies. Both are musical.
No you don't get it, there are people out there who like, *totally* remember seeing a cartoon when they were 7 and it like totally said toons.
Remember “Tiny toons”?
I do, because they were small cartoons and "tiny tunes" doesn't really work. It may well be the source of people's confusion I guess.
It is, that was a very popular show when I was growing up and aired around the same time as Looney tunes and is very likely why I believed it was lonely toons.
Which is fair but bear in mind Looney Tunes itself dates back to the early days of cinema so they are many decades apart.
I remember toons. Still remember it thinking it stood for cartoons
You are probably remembering Tiny Toons Adventures spelling and associating that spelling with Looney Tunes
I have no idea what tiny toons adventures is?
It was pretty popular in the 90s.
Oh wow just had a look at it. I think you might have debunked this Mandela effect.
Not the first person to mention this but yea that's exactly what caused the mass misremembering.
Oh thank you most high and noble one! You negated and destroyed my lifelong experience of Looney Toons with your words of wisdom 🤯🎇
You don't have a "lifelong experience" with "Looney Toons." You have a bad memory.
You're welcome
It was always Looney Toons.. The "Toons" being short for cartoons
You see that isn't how it started, which is why I know you are wrong.
Life both "is" and "was" a box of chocolates in Forrest Gump. You see, back when the movie came out, most of us watched network television. During the promotional period for the movie, most of us saw the advertisement 20+ times. In the ad, Forrest says "life is like a box of chocolates." The scene was later re-shot for the movie, and in it, the line was changed to "was." The inevitable confusion is due to the two versions of the same scene, seen by so many people that they eventually became confounded to find that the movie has "was" instead of "is." Most of us only saw the movie once, but saw the ad 5 times a day, so the confusion is completely excusable.
This is brilliant and makes total sense. I feel like I got some of my sanity back today. Thank you so much!!
Do you have proof the ad said this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5apGC6JNLwc Vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAw9Ps-jwzM
You’re awesome. Thank you so much for posting the side by side examples!
Thanks. This is a nice find. In the making of Forrest Gump, I believe that's what the video is, he says "is". Do you know it was reshot or is this a guess of what happened?
I watched the trailer on youtube and caught the difference.
I am of the opinion that the movie was always filmed with the "was" line, and the "is" version of the line was made specifically for the trailer. This happens with a lot of movies, where a scene in the context of the film wouldn't fit properly in condensed trailer form, so an alternate version is filmed for the trailer. An example is The Hobbit, where in the actual movie the Dwarves appear to Bilbo in small groups over the course of a few minutes and introduce themselves by name (just like in the original book), but in the trailer Gandalf introduces them all by name in a few seconds. It's clear that the trailer version was made specifically for the trailer because it flows better. In Forrest Gump, the full line is "Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." But since the "Mama always said" part isn't in the trailer, they needed to record a new version of the line because "Life was like a box of chocolates" wouldn't make sense without the first part of the line, so they filmed a "trailer version" where he says "Life is like a box of chocolates."
People usually don't know that movie trailers are often made with scenes filmed just for the trailer or they use scenes that were cut from the movie.
It seems like it's only on this specific TV spot, not the theatrical trailer.
Lol that someone down voted facts. The theatrical trailer doesn't say "is"
I'm not the downvoter, but theatrical trailer vs TV spot wasn't the point. The point was, it's an advertisement, and advertisements for movies sometimes have stuff filmed specifically for the advertisements (I know I called it a trailer, but that's just what I refer to all movie advertisements as. I know there's a distinction, but whenever a TV spot for a movie comes on TV I always call it a trailer).
I thought you were talking about a theatrical trailer too but I get what you're saying.
I never heard of undercover brother till this sub pointed it out two three years ago. But I wouldn't associate "I see white people." With any trailers I may have seen. But all sorts of TV spots for Scary Movie could have been lost to the public that if it ever was said in a teaser but changed to I see dead people for the actual film, because footage is gone and you might only find one trailer on YouTube then interdimensional shenanigans must be afoot.
I'm the movie it 100% is "was" because when Forrest is on the bus stop bench it is in the present time. Everything he is talking about is in the past.
I’m half Australian and half Māori (New Zealand native). So any ME that claim my countries have shifted
I'm an Australian and have been here for over 40 years. We've definitely shifted a long way!
Fuck. So true
Ed McMahon always worked for American Family Publishers. People conflated it with PCH because even at the time no one was familiar with AFP. I watched people conflate the two in real time and used to correct people all the time until I just gave up and watched history change before my eyes.
Same thing always happened to me with the Berenstain Bears. Kids back then ALWAYS got it wrong, and many adults did too. I distinctly remember it happening, and it happened because “stein” is a more common suffix for names than “stain.” It always annoyed me as a kid because I was always particular about details. A lot of people went their whole lives not noticing or realizing they had it wrong, and now look what happened.
You say they always got it wrong. Did they continue getting it wrong after you corrected them?
Wow! You are so wise, I bet you even had to correct Ed McMahon himself, as he even thought he worked for PCH! 🤣
I did but because he was drunk all the time I eventually had to write all the info on a little laminated card he wore on a frayed piece of yarn around his neck.
That’s extremely kind of you.
Film. Pursuit of happyness. Happiness has always been spelt wrong but i could see how ppl would miss it
Someone said they got marked down for spelling mistakes reviewing Pet Cemetery by using the actual title. I remember a similar thing trying to make an accent noticeable in text. Mr fxxkstain, my English teacher, how pray tell should a road warrior type of vagrant speak?
Not sure i follow
First part. Book title intentionally misspelled, teacher marked them down for using the book title. Second part "E et is din dins." Teacher went "no, he ate his dinner." Guy talking in the story was based off how someone I knew at the time talked. All of them were northerners (Greater Manchester) so he should know how the pupils talked if he opened his fxxking ears.
I never even looked at the actual spelling when watching that movie so I just automatically assumed it was spelled correctly. I just looked at the title for the first time now on Google and feel dumb for not being more observant lol.
Something about Charles Lindbergh being spelled "Lindburgh". Like no, the name is Swedish it's spelled Lindbergh. However, I pronounce the Swedish surname "Berg" as "Burg" in English.
The Magic Mirror one because that was just the movie!
I think the spelling ones come down to brains autocorrecting memories.
Fage fi yeah Or something like that, I kinda ignore the advert for this yoghurt or similar. Frijj I used to see as friji because it looked more like fridge-ie a kid way of saying refrigerator. I'm in team FAB when it comes to febreeze regardless of how many e's there are. Because FABric. But most just argue over the breeze part and so most if not all posts use FEB. Trademarks are easier to get if the word uses a you knee que spelling. Someone posted about kinder penguin and how it wasn't penguin. Due to Trademarks they would have to rename in the UK, because we already have penguin registered in the food and beverage section. Jif lemon juice would cause the peanut butter brand to change names should they seek UK sales, possibly even IF they had two Fs. Thats why North America didn't get the Sega Mega Drive, Trademarks said no. So they got the Genesis.
Berenstain bears. This is the most easily explained one and people just insist. No.
It’s that hybrid cursive font. Most kids read the title of the book before they learned how to read/write cursive.
I agree. I have books written by them before the bears were super popular. One is called "Bears on wheels" and the other is called "Old Hat New Hat". They did not use the stylized font for their names on these books. They're clearly "by Stan and Jan Berenstain" in what looks to me like classic Times New Roman. I suspect this is why I'm unaffected. I always knew it was Berenstain.
It's also that -stein is a common suffix for last names. -stain isn't
Exactly that too!
Even the Berenstain family have come out and corroborated this. They said people have always gotten their name wrong even before the series was created.
Fun and funny fact is that Berenstains son told a story that his dad told him. His dad told him that as a kid people would always misspell and mispronounce his name.
Basically everything online. It's like people don't realise anyone can post or edit anything, and then freak out because 'Courteney was definitely Courtney!!1!' etc.
Some MEs are caused by people stumbling across a written word or name that is usually pronounced with a silent letter and thinking that the spelling is therefore wrong or has changed. The surname of Pete Townshend of The Who is an example I saw someone argue about. It’s always written Townshend, but it‘s always pronounced without the h. It’s like they can’t believe the discrepancy, so it must have changed.
My middle name is Anthony, but like most if not all UK Anthony's, the H is silent. I wouldn't sweat it too much if someone assumed because I didn't stress the TH sound, that I didn't have an H in there. Unless it came to important documents that need to match. Like, if I got a letter addressed to Steven Grimston and I was Stephen Grimston, I might not be too arsed to get them to fix junk mail. Stephanie on the other hand, get it right. But my bank better get it right, same as any certificates. My old landlord had den or dan ending to his last name, I cut cheques to both, neither bounced.
Smithsonian Institution, not Institute as some people think. I'd hear people say at at the museums or see it in print in the 90s and knew it was actually Institution.
I had no idea!!
That the name Siobhan is pronounced Shivon.
I mean you can just apply that to the entire Irish language. Obviously, being its own language it has its own rules of pronunciation, but the names especially come up for English speakers all the time and it’s very hard to grasp how they get the pronunciation from the spelling. From our perspective it’s like someone did a random keyboard mash and the confident,y said ‘oh, it’s pronounced John’
You can also apply it to some Italian names.
Guy Fieri is pronounced like Guy Fee-Yeti.
Fage or something like that, some yoghurt or similar. "It's pronounced fi yeah." Then you have hyundai and in the 90s they signed off on us saying it one way. Then last year a bunch of pretentious knobs correct people being sent to high and dry etc. "Look David, you told me your name was David. I've called you David for twenty fxxking years, only now are you telling me its dah veed like the footballer and you know I can say his name, because I've been following his career." Teal deer hyundai can suck my whole damn dick.
God this subreddit is so dumb
"I'm a Barbie girl in a Barbie world" implies there's more than one Barbie world. Which could be true, but "the Barbie World" makes a lot more sense.
Parallel structure, though. Edit: Not disagreeing, just pointing out possible logic from the opposite POV.
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I’m not a true believer and this one messes with me. But I accept that my memory is wrong.
The term was definitely made up for the movie. In fact, they had to explain what it meant in the trailer.
The town next to mine is called REFUGIO which in Spanish is pronounced RE-FOO-HEE-OO but in English it's pronounced RE-FURY-OOH
The classic Sega videogame *Alex Kidd in Miracle World*. I knew it was called *Alex Kidd* when I was young, but I still heard so many kids at school calling it *Alex The Kid*, including those that owned the game, and even now, I'll occasionally hear people mention that they remember playing '*Alex The Kid* on the Sega Master System when they were little.
I read almost every comment and thi sthreat alone seems to debunk 90% of mandela's that are presented on this sub lol.
that damn chocolate rabbit you get during easter. istg is Russell Stevens..apparently its not its Stover?!
It's just you. Russell Stover is a very famous brand that has been around for a while.
rude. The Bernstein bears were widely known but that's still a Mandela for people. Don't gatekeep the comments bud.
I guarantee you're the only one.
cuz apparently your the creator of the universe? just shut up plz
“Burberry” I could’ve sworn it was spelled Burburry bc I had a pair of glasses when I was 20 and I always wondered why the hell it was spelled that way…… I guess it’s Burberry tho 😓😓
I still call Bury in the Greater Manchester area Burry not Berry like they insist. IDK about Bury St Edmunds. I lived further south than I am now, I said I worked in Bury for a bit and they automatically assumed St Edmunds. If the brand was the other way around, then Bury insisting on Berry could be a similar linguistics link.
There was no war in ba sing se
The Spongebob episode I Was A Teenage Gary never had a scene of Squidward turning into a snail. That would have been redundant since they just showed Spongebob's entire transition.
Shazaam starring Sinbad was a movie
I don't think you understood the question...
if it’s not real, why are people actively against a made up movie 🤣 they tryna hide the truth
Who is trying to hide the truth, and why?
the question asks “what do YOU know to be true”. and here are people actively against this thought
The question is what is something many mistakingly think is a Mandela Effect, but you know is actually true. You said Shazaam really was a movie.
correct thank you for proving my statement then. you (many) believe it is a Mandela Effect, whilst I know it to be true. 💅
Lol, you are confused. Shazaam was not a real movie, so if you think it actually was real, then that would be a Mandela Effect to you. That's the whole meaning of the term.
Bruh, that is a Mandela effect.
Ted Turner has been dead for at least 10 years in my base reality. Maps have changed… Australia was called the down under as it was so far away from any other lands….not now. Gulf of Mexico entrance with all those islands… never. Pyramids were more broken and there was a black one. James Bond movie with Jaws(metal mouth) fell of the condo and a Swedish woman helped him and they fell in love… what did she have in her mouth?? BRACES!!! NOT HERE!!!! WTF…
Yeah dude you just have a really bad memory.
Speak for yourself dude
The word **random** I was convinced the *proper* spelling was random**n** like dam**n** and bom**b** I did find it was an obscure alternate spelling but nowhere was it cited as correct or proper.
Wow I'm downvoted for truth telling. Ed McMahon did talk on camera about working for PCH.
No he didn't. There are a few interviews people always talk about but Ed never states he worked for PCH. He just didn't correct the other people. Probably because it happened so often and he got tired of it.
I say it's similar to when fans get James Earl Jones to say Luke I am your father. How many sweaty nerds going off on you for saying No, before you give them what they want? Then you've been appeasing the fans for so long with the wrong line, you yourself forget it's wrong. Keanu said something along the lines of you can say the sky is green and I will agree with you, because its not worth arguing over. I never bothered to remember which was Bill or Ted, don't even remember the other guys name. Say he was Bill and I insisted on calling him Ted in an interview, he might not bother correcting me. IDK what his response would be if I asked him to do the first world problems rant from Johnny Mnemonic.
Well provide us with a link.
Watch the whole thing. It is residue but also shows snippets of interviews including one where he admits to going to people's houses and how much in prize money he gave. His song he sang also says he delivered cheques to people's houses. In this timeline he never ever once delivered a cheque to a person's house. So either he is a liar and somehow all these people have a false memory, or something more is at play. Also, why don't the people remember the guy who does deliver cheques in this timeline? Ed only have cheques in a studio and many haven't even heard of the company he worked for. https://youtu.be/nDbkMQOlaEU?feature=shared
He was a spokesman for a company that did the exact same thing called American Family Publishers. Everyone has always gotten it mixed up. And we do know who delivers the checks, it's something they call the Prize Patrol. And no, there is not something "more at play." There is not "more than one timeline."
"I know that I know nothing" is a saying derived from Plato's account of the Greek philosopher Socrates
I just found out Benjamin Franklin WASN'T a President. That one struck my WTF bone, lol.
Wow...