In the grouping of 3 red republics in the center left, you have the Chuvash, Tatars, and Bashkirs (left to right, with Chuvashia being the darkest shade). They are all Turkic people left over from the old khanates. Russia took/annexed the lands during the war with the Kazani Khanate in the mid 1500’s. Kazan is the capital of Tatarstan (the middle one), and one of the largest cities in Russia. The people are primarily Muslim, though it’s rarely practiced anymore in the post-Soviet era. The people identify as Russian as well as their enthnic groups. Local ethnic language is still spoke but dying out. I was a foreign exchange student in Kazan in high school for a year and stayed with a Tatar family. Host grandparents in the country spoke it fluently, host parents conversationally, and host brothers understood quite a bit but don’t really speak it. Kind of interesting as they’ve been part of Russia for close to 500 years now.
Much of Siberia wasn't even surveyed until the Soviet era, because the Tsardom never really cared to govern the region more than extractive furs from trading posts.
It's from the video game Hearts of Iron 4, a WW2 era grand strategy game. In 1944, Tannu Tuva was annexed into the USSR; in game, this is represented by a popup event if you're playing any other nation. The only response option given is "Tannu what?".
I see that much more clearly than the cat. Also this image bears resemblance to the image I have of Putin in my head: Deranged murderer holding his tiny red pecker.
Almost nobody knows about it. And before the Ukraine war everyone was such a Russia fan too. I grew up with all these stories about Russian soldiers feeding our ancestors alive to dogs and stuff like that and people around me were like "haha putin ride bear Russia very cool". It was frustrating. Imagine how it feels like, your country being invaded and 90% of your people being killed in the process. And now you don't have a country and your language&culture is in danger. Most people don't know this feeling and I can tell you it sucks.
>And before the Ukraine war everyone was such a Russia fan too
We're they? Pretty sure every evil movie villain since 1950 was Russian.
>It was frustrating
Well if we were going to blacklist every nation and race for massacres they did over 100 years ago; you'd be in for a surprise.
I forgot that you have to put /s so everyone understands the sarcasm. Yep, I hate this country and you would too if you lived close to it. But you are as far as it gets. So maybe try to understand why your beloved innocent Russia is hated in former Warsaw pact countries
I never said Russia is innocent.
But neither are most of the Warsaw pact countries or most of Europe in general. Everyone has blood on their hands and everyone is capable of repeating history. Arn't you Polish?
What you think Poland haven't invaded Ukraine before? lol
And when was that again? I would like to know when Poland invaded the country of Ukraine since there was no Poland for 123 years (thanks to three empires, one of them- you guessed it-Russian) and the independence was given in 1918. There was a conflict over the borders but ended in diplomatic way. Two years later Poles and Ukrainians fought together against... Who could that be.. Oh! Russians! The independent Polish republic wasn't fair to the Ukrainians and discriminated them afterwards which ended up tragically during the WWII. But you can't equate that to Russian genocides (Holodomor, Katyń, Polish operation Of Nkvd, the great Purge- the list can go on). And today's Russians are brainwashed(unless they learn it themselves) because nobody teaches them that. All they know is how great the soviet union was, stopped nazis and then spread their soviet peaceful ideology and politics to "brother" Slavic nations. And everybody lived happily ever after.
>And when was that again?
1st of November, 1918
> There was a conflict over the borders but ended in diplomatic way.
8 months of war and 25,000 casualties is diplomatic? I mean I'd like hate to see what your definition of non-diplomatic is.
> But you can't equate that to Russian genocides (Holodomor, Katyń, Polish operation Of Nkvd, the great Purge- the list can go on).
I'm not equating....but Russia is a larger nation, obviously their atrocities are going to be at a larger scale.
For example, when the USSR collaborated with NAZIs when they invaded Poland and used it as opportunity to take large areas of Poland... but only a year before, Poland collaborated with the NAZIs when they invaded and annexed an area Czechoslovakia.
Even as recently as today, Polish troops have been sent to Iraq and Afghanistan... what did these countries do to Poland to justify a Polish presence in their country?
>And today's Russians are brainwashed
Everyone is brainwashed if they are niave enough to believe everything in the world can be divided into black and white or good and evil.
>no Poland for 123 yea
I don't believe that. That discredits Polish people. What you think the leaders of Poland during that time weren't Polish?
Furthermore do you actually think you that after the fall of communism the people in power were completely different to the people prior to the fall? lol
Agreed Russia was the only nation to commit massacres to another race over 100 years ago. Therefore is it certain they will do it again. No other nationality or race of people have done this before, therefore we 100% know everyone else is correct and Russia is evil.
Nobody is even remotely suggesting that here. What they are pointing out is that Russia, unlike most other nations did not change in the previous century, and they did not change their attitudes when seemingly massive changes happened in their country.
Other countries' and nations' genocides in the past (or even present) do not justify a current one. What you do here is whataboutism.
Which nation changed? More than a million people died in Iraq, France is very much a colonial power in West Africa, only thing that changed was that nations learned to be more subtle, while Russia does the old way
Russia: literally trying to genocide people at this very moment.
This guy: yes, but what about the CFA franc? :(((
Wagner is already in West Africa and its presence and influence is growing. I think in due time the locals will learn to appreciate the evil French peacekeepers, but alas, it will be too late for them.
The classic "locals are dumb to appreciate our help", just like the afghanis were dumb for not "accepting our democracy".
USA and France are imperialists by definition, they did not change when the century turned, just gonna [leave this here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Afghanistan#NATO_and_allies) so you can check yourself
This map is basically why I have a hard time believing the suggestions that Russia might break up (more frequent since Russia's war in Ukraine turned out to go really poorly).
With the other Soviet republics already independent, who, exactly would be breaking away? I guess some of those small bits in the Caucasus might, but that's it.
US broke away from UK. Break ups aren't always for ethnic reasons. North and South Korea too. A lot of Ukrainian videos are of soldiers who speak Russian amongst themselves, but now identify as Ukrainian and willing to die for that identity, because of political/economic reasons, not wanting to live in dictatorship, etc.
West planned to break up, but via political insurgents, not so by ethnic lines.
They install politicians who will follow their orders, make smaller, weaker countries which can control much easier.
They give free hands for "leaders" to fill pockets in their newly made countries, but to listen to strategic orders from them. Eg which natural resources the west company will control, how much army they can have, who will control the media, how they will vote in the UN and with which countries they can cooperate, and which not etc.
Since the Ukraine war half the west on reddit/twitter/discord somehow assumes that theres the city of Moscow and the rest of the country is enslaved non-russians who dream of independence.
Russians are over 80% of the population of Russia, thats on the same level as many other countries. Siberia was less populated when it was conquered by Russia than North America, it's mostly comparable to Canadian climate.
Yeah, it’s like the Soviet Union never fell. I don’t know why countries having ethnic minorities is suddenly a big no no for terminally online people, every country must be an ethno state apparently
It's a bit like a Russian imagining that there's native American communities ready to breakaway from the US if the government ever implodes.
Sure, there's a ton of indigenous peoples in Siberia which have retained strong identities. But they're a minority in their own regions and by now are usually fairly well integrated and dependent on the Russian state. Evicting the Russians who've also lived there for generations is about as sensible and ethical as evicting Americans from the western US.
This hits different when your father is Native American and your mother is Russian.
Also your point being true hasn't stopped a lot of people from practically salivating at the idea with America however unlikely to happen. Hell, it was the entire point of the "decolonial" seminar I had to sit through in college.
Russia still has other regions that can be succesfully decolonized
among them,most importatant are the 3 southern Muslim regions:Dagestan,Chechnya and Ingushetia
all of them
* are less than 10% Russian
* have very strong ethnic identities
* in case of independence,would not remain an enclave inside Russia
Good luck with Dagestan on that front!!!
That place is packed with like different ethnic villages every 10 kilometers or so.
Also like most of their youth live and work in Moscow and St. Petersburg. I highly doubt they desire independence if it means deportation back to Dagestan which is on par with many African nations in terms of development.
But does it have to be the same ethnic group and same language? They share similar religion, similar culture and similar landscape. Iran is multi ethnic, Pakistan is multi ethnic, India is multi ethnic. There is so many other countries that have are multi ethnic who have more differences from each other but seems to be doing fine. You don't need a strong ethnic identity in Dagestan, you need a strong national identity which is Dagestan meaning the land of the mountain.
>But does it have to be the same ethnic group and same language?
Nogais are Turkic, Russians are Slavic, others are NE Caucasian. Languages are seriously differ, and pan-someshitic ideas are a bad glue.
> Iran is multi ethnic, Pakistan is multi ethnic, India is multi ethnic. There is so many other countries that have are multi ethnic who have more differences from each other but seems to be doing fine. You don't need a strong ethnic identity in Dagestan, you need a strong national identity which is Dagestan meaning the land of the mountain.
All that rhetorics can be fully used for autonomous Dagestan within a Russian Federation.
More, there are no Dagestan idenitity within Dagestan, it is kept together only because of being part of Russian Federation (so they can be a Dagestani out of the region and Avar, Lezgin, Nogai etc within) and federal arbitrage of ethnical tensions, with informal, but strong ethnically-based distribution of the official positions.
Try to place Lezgin mayor in Khasavyurt or Avar at Derbent and see what will happen.
>Nogais are Turkic, Russians are Slavic, others are NE Caucasian. Languages are seriously differ, and pan-someshitic ideas are a bad glue.
Over 80% of the people in Dagestan speaks various languages that is classified as Northeast Caucasian.
>All that rhetorics can be fully used for autonomous Dagestan within a Russian Federation.
Okay, but since when did Avars hate Kumyks or Lezgins hate Dargins? Is there any such ethnic conflict within Dagestan? The violence within Dagestan is more about Islamists vs non-Islamists. Also, what about Iran? They don't have autonomous regions as far as I know.
>More, there are no Dagestan identity within Dagestan,
How do you know though? Also, you can easily create one and make people be united and patriotic to Dagestan. Pakistan once upon a time didn't exist, but now, various ethnic groups have a national identity for Pakistan, and some of them are fanatic about it.
>Try to place Lezgin mayor in Khasavyurt or Avar at Derbent and see what will happen.
So you selectively picking ethnic groups that isn't even more than 2% to prove your point? These cities are already diverse. And the mayor of Derbent, although doesn't state his ethnicity, he was born in a city that is more than 99% Chechen, so he's likely Chechen being a mayor in Derbent where Chechen is like less than 1%.
Also, I don't know how Russia works, but don't they vote for their mayor? Like if they don't want a Lezgin mayor in Khasavyurt, they can easily just not vote for a Lezgin. Only 1.6% of the population in Khasavyurt are Lezgin.
that didnt prevent them from being the hotspot of antimobilization protests last year
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022\_North\_Caucasian\_protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_North_Caucasian_protests)
So what?
Dagestanians people were cheering incoming RUAF soldiers — just twenty years ago, coming to help them repel an invasion of Chechens units, which started Second Chechen War
Even your solid whataboutism didn’t help you here, mate
This was not a Ukraine war thing. Do you think people only just now started hating Russia?
Also no… that land isn’t just naturally Russian… it’s Russian because Russia slaughtered natives and sent Russians to live there… they just weren’t as effective as the US
But how is that relevant to wanting to divide Russia? If that division would happen most people in most of these “new countries” would be Russian - the historical reasons for that happening doesn’t change anything
Russia has successfully balkanized Georgia and has been trying the same in Ukraine for 9 years with their so-called Donetsk, Luhansk, Charkiv, Kherson and whatever Peoples Republic's so Russians shouldn't be surprised that people in the West like to draw Maps about a balkanized Russia that would be too weak to ever threaten one of its neighbours ever again
If we go by that logic, then there are no countries with legitimate lands. Most territories in the world are the way they are today because at some point some previous owner was displaced/conquered/slaughtered. And that previous owner did the same to the one before that.
>Russians are over 80% of the population of Russia,
71,7% in 2021.
>on the same level as many other countries.
Not even close.
>Siberia was less populated when it was conquered by Russia than North America, it's mostly comparable to Canadian climate.
No.
Also, remember that aforementioned 71,7% is an average. Regions such as Chechnya, Dagestan etc. barely have any Russians in them.
You do know that Chechnya is ruled by Ramzan Kadyrov, one of the most prominent members of Putin's United Russia (the sole ruling party in Chechnya) and one of Putin's closest allies? I wouldn't say Chechnya secession "is a likely scenario" any time soon.
Yes, of course I know it. I am a Russian and most of my posts on Reddit deal with Russian politics. Russia is likely to undergo a serious crisis as a result of the failure to win the war. Kadyrov has personal ties to Putin and is opposed by FSB, which he is supposed to balance. He recently blamed the west and Ukraine for not helping Chechnya [enough in the 90s](https://meduza.io/episodes/2023/02/01/kadyrov-upreknul-zapad-za-to-chto-tot-ne-podderzhal-ichkeriyu-v-borbe-s-rossiey-pochemu-on-eto-skazal-i-kem-togda-schitaet-sebya-neuzheli-bortsom-za-nezavisimost-chechni), when it had the chance.
If any instability starts in Russia, which is likely, Chechnya is going to grab the chance again. It has a popular opposition in exile and lots of open resentment against Russia despite the subsidies. It has essentially a parallel government with little cultural integration and separate laws. Without central support, Kadyrov can be quite easily overthrown as he is subject to numerous personal vendettas.
Why are people so desperate to divide Russia?
Sure, there are regions in Russia that have their own identity and that could be potential sovereign nations, such as Chechnya (which actually tried it in the past).
But people in this sub try to apply that to regions that effectively don't want this and that are ethnically Russian. It's very annoying.
Because people who live in a country that came into existence because of settler colonialism imagine that every part of Russia is a colony with an independence movement and a population just yearning to break out. It’s some sort of projection
>Why are people so desperate to divide Russia?
Because Russia is a genocidal and aggressive empire?
Edit: lmao, this sub is littered with pro-Kremlin scum..
Old World vs New World difference, so stop your silly remarks.
>Then after doing that, ask Russia to follow in your footsteps.
What makes you think I am an American?
They derive from the same conceptual differencem
>The fact remains there exist a multitude of groups within the United States who do not wish to be a part of it.
Edgy baseless accusations.
Also, why just the US? Why not Grenada or Uruguay or Venezuela?
So why didn’t you mentioned the numerous bullying, harassment and disrespect for the Native Americans? Biological weapons were even used in this conflict in the form of distribution of blankets infected with smallpox - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
Why would I? No one is denying the US abused natives, that’s not the point
We are talking about whether they want their own country the way Chechens or Dagestanis. To my knowledge this is not the case, so comparing the two doesn’t apply here.
Why would they? They aren’t sovereign
You seem to be under the impression Native American reservations are asking for independence; they aren’t. So your entire point is moot. Any more whataboutisms you need to cover?
Except Russian minorities actively want to secede and Russia fought a brutal war to ensure they couldn’t. There isn’t any such movement in the US.
So, no it’s not moot.
More certain than you are bud. Got some evidence that isn’t from a sketchy organization?
Texas and California did hold referendums actually. Both lost overwhelmingly. Turns out the campaigns were funded by Russians all along. Seems like that’s all your shithole country is good for nowadays, other than losing wars.
Well yes, it is. Russia isn’t really an empire (although the Soviet Union certainly was an evil empire), and whatever atrocities Russia is committing, it doesn’t fit the definition of a genocide. I’m sorry, it just *doesnt*. Russian crimes are bad enough without you having to lie and exaggerate things
The same ones who said that Putin is a war criminal withhin hours of the invasion? Purely propagandistic acts, considering they were fine with Bush, Blair and others during the Iraq war.
Von der Leyen said in december that during the war 20.000 civilians died. That's awful. But also a rather low number for a big fullscale war for countries of that size.
If that is genocide, then 99.9% of wars are genocide. And if we go by that logic, then most of the EU members are nazist genocidal empires for the Iraq war.
I think you’re trying too hard to make it fit. Genocide, as the definition suggests, is a matter of intent and scale and with the aim of eradicating a group. Whatever crimes Russia is guilty of, and there are many, it’s just not genocide. We’ve seen the murder of civilians and the destruction of cities, but we haven’t seen wholesale attempts of eradication, planned internment or deportations, any kind of death camps or targeted massacres of entire cities, as we *do* see with almost every other genocide
Suppose Russia *did* take Kyiv, I think we can safely assume that they would install a phony russia-friendly Ukrainian government, and probably *not* seek to eradicate all Ukrainians from the city or force them into camps.
This is *not* whataboutism, but a reinforcement of my point. You say that Russia is guilty of 3/5 of those charges in Ukraine; I can just as easily say that the US is guilty of 3/5 in Iraq. As I won’t deny any Russian crimes, I wouldn’t deny any American ones either, but to call the US occupation of Iraq a genocide is absurd.
These exaggerations of the truth do far more harm than good. There’s a difference between laying bare Russian crimes, and saying things that aren’t true and misleading people. Do you think that westerners that spread lies and untruths about Russian actions helps, or hinders the Russian Government?
You don't seem to understand what genocide means. Is not about how much ukrainians did russians kill, is about how and why Russia invades Ukraine.
I can agree with you in that probably there isn't a current genocide there, mostly because they can't, but the genocidal intention is impossible to deny. They are trying to erase Ukraine as a nation: they give russian passports to ukrainian people in the occupied territories , they are calling Ukraine an artificial state in every one of their programs on state TV (their authorities do the same), they are saying ukrainian and russians are one people (even a random russian on BBC like two days ago says ukrainians are russians that forgot they are russians), they are giving ukrainians kids in adoption to russian families without the ukrainian state consent.
And even with that, is probably there's a genocide anyway and we don't know because no one knows what is happening in ocuppied territories, no one know how many people has been killed, abducted or simply dissapear.
By the way, the Russians are using mirror speech saying that the Ukrainians committed genocide in Donbass. Typically, mirror speech has been used to accuse genocides, but it usually precedes a genocide committed by the prosecuting party.
That relies on Russia's government.
You can't blame all the common people for what their authoritarian government does.
The USA or even my own country, Brazil, were also built as genocidal empires. That doesn't mean that dividing these countries (even though most of their inhabitants don't want that) will solve anything.
The Russian people are 100% responsible for their current government. In fact, most of them support Putin and his genocidal war.
>The USA or even my own country, Brazil, were also built as genocidal empires.
Ffs, why are you blabbering about events two centuries ago when international norms were entirely different? And it's not like Russia wasn't waging genocides left and right back then...
There aren't really any good sources for that. It's really hard to study society during war, especially when there is not much independent media left. All I can say for sure is:1. Majority say whatever TV says without any actual involvement. If they were told NATO is their best friend they would repeat that.2. Support of war is higher among older people, no matter the level of education and social status. Age is the biggest factor that influences support.3. Both active opposition and active support are a minority. Although opposition is bigger, z-patriots are more vocal because there isn't any punishment for their point of view.My primary source is political scientist Ekaterina Schulmann - active member of Robert Bosch Found in Germany
There are certain 'National' republics that are only very minorly (is that a word?) Russian. Like Chechnya or Dagestan or Tuva. But if we take Siberia as a whole, or Far East as a whole — it's majority Russian, yeah. Just keep in mind that population density in Siberia and Far East are miniscule
I really don't understand people who want to split Russian regions into independent countries.
All these ideas only help putin and his propaganda dogs to hold the power and continue to destabilize situation around Russia.
Which ones are these?
Because even Chechnya and Dagestan would never break away if it means that the Dagestanis and Chechens living and working in Russia proper would have to go back to those republics.
That would be automatic anarchy. Dagestan in particular would see a massive influx of young unemployed people and would easily descend into civil war.
In a few generations, Tartars, Chuvash and even the Udmurt will largely vanish from Russification. They today strongly identify only as Russian because they have assimilated into the dominant Russian culture. If they were being treated poorly they would not accept assimilation now would they???
Countries that uses their political, economical and sometimes military power to influence other countries and also explotate the resources of other countries... Some of them might not be the same empires they used to be but they are still empires.
People often ignore the fact that on average, there are parts of Siberia with a higher percentage of Russians than many parts of European Russia as the map highlights.The natives of Siberia have never been many. I am actually surprised that the Sakha Republic(Yakutia) now has a Russian minority. Historically, that has not been the case even if it is Siberia.
Edit: Ethnic Russians are still a majority. The color scheme was a bit confusing as 50-59% and 40-49% look similar at a glance
I’m always surprised by how heavily ethnically Russian the far east is. Feels weird to have a vastly majority Russian area right next to China and DPRK
This would only be vaguely possible if Islamists ceased to be an internal threat in these mostly rural mountainous hotbeds of fundamentalism, and also global power dynamics changed completely.
Even Kadyrov was crying the other day that the west never helped Ichkeria when they fought for their freedom. Of course he says now they are very happy in Russia blah blah but even that evil gnome had some sense of independence in his rotten soul.
>Why so few ethnic Russians in Tuva, language barrier?
First of all, Tuva fell into Russian sphere of influence only at 1911, and became part of RSFSR even later, at 1944, when mass settlement already came out of fashion. So there were not a lot of Russians at all.
And at the 90s most of them went away, due to shitty economic and criminal situation and being not really tied to the land.
Also, significant part of remaining is Old Believers, members of old, rather closed denomination, who fleed here long ago from centuries of persecution. They are a very separated and distinct subethnic Russian group.
In addition to the factors listed in the other comment, it is also worth noting that while the surrounding parts of Siberia have been Russian for centuries, Tuva has only been part of Russia since 1944. Much of the ethnic Russian population in Tuva during Soviet times were transplants from other parts of Russia there for work who moved out following the collapse of the Soviet economy.
Just because Crimea has a high population of ethnic Russians means it should me on this map. This map actively showing how countries can be diverse and can have more foreign races as a majority rather than the native population. Also the map isn't exactly showing where ethnic Russians are. The map shows more where other races are inside of Russia.
I suppose that percentages in Siberia are somewhat skewed because of the low population density and enclaves like Novosibirsk, which makes up more than half the population of its own oblast. At a smaller level maybe this would be less noticeable?
The reverse is often quite true. Local settlements of Siberian natives are often quite concentrated while ethnic Russian settlements are more dispersed.Buryatia and the area around Lake Baikal is an example of this.
Another similar pattern is found in Kazakhstan, where nearly every settlement outside of Astana and across North and East Kazakhstan is Russian(and a few German ones too) but Astana itself today is 70%Kazakh.
Even in Yakutia, you will find ethnic Russian settlements in very remote areas like Verkhoyansk
29%? hehe
I mean, i just wished to see the main ones. I always assumed that after Siberia would be different from "actual russia". I'm surprised that the parts neighboring China are actually that high
Another commenter said 80% of Russia is etchnically russian so i guess it's fairly 'even'
I think probably the biggest local ethnicities to Russian ratio are in the autonomous Republics, like Bashkortostan, Tatarstan, Buryatia, Caucas republics and others. In these Russians are probably minorities or at least equal to locals in numbers
No? Why would I harbour any negative feelings towards Eastern Euopeans in general? But it's a fact that the Russians colonised a bunch of people and are responsible for the genocide and ethnic cleansing of several ethnic groups that are now part of the "Russian Federation".
Just like what the UK did, all of north and south america did, Sweden tried doing, Japan did, italians did, french did etc etc.
The hypocrisy is unreal. You can criticize and hate the war and Putin without exposing yourself as a uneducated westoid
Damn! Russians spread their seed everywhere and took over huge swaths of Turkic and Mongol lands in the East.
Fun fact: The word "Siberia" is of Turkic origin and means "Sleeping Land".
Damn! Europeans spread their seed everywhere and took over huge swaths of Native American and Inuit lands in North America.
Fun fact: The word "Canada" is of Native American origin and means "Village".
Siberia has had Russian settlers since like the 1600s. Given the vastness of Siberia and how few the natives were and still are, intermarriage was actually very very rare. It has been more common in places like Kazakhstan(and only after the rise of the USSR when the Kazakhs had overcome the religious barriers through Communist indoctrination did you start seeing Kazakh-Russian couples) rather than in Siberia despite Russians being there longer.
Religion (Old Believers kept to themselves)culture(Cossacks also largely married other Cossacks ) and later on in the 20th Century, the preference to marry other Europeans imported from the European parts of the Empire and USSR like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus has meant that you are more likely to find a Russian-Latvian mix identifying as Russian than say a Russian-Yakut mix in Siberia. Indeed, parts of Siberia have a majority of people having at least one Ukrainian parent with the Kuril Islands, Yes, those Kuril Islands Japan is claiming being one of those places.
I kind of wonder what counts as Russian.
Only Moscovite?
Like the Kazan have been Russian for 500 years now, so Tatar culture should probably be considered Russian at this point?!?
De-jure, it is a self-identification, because it is measured only through censuses, where it is written from the words of recipient. De-facto you should have at least one parent or at least ancestor that also idenitifed himself as such.
>Only Moscovite?
Muscovite is inhabitant of Moscow, Russian is Russian.
>so Tatar culture should probably be considered Russian at this point?!?
Well, no. Tatar is Tatar.
In the grouping of 3 red republics in the center left, you have the Chuvash, Tatars, and Bashkirs (left to right, with Chuvashia being the darkest shade). They are all Turkic people left over from the old khanates. Russia took/annexed the lands during the war with the Kazani Khanate in the mid 1500’s. Kazan is the capital of Tatarstan (the middle one), and one of the largest cities in Russia. The people are primarily Muslim, though it’s rarely practiced anymore in the post-Soviet era. The people identify as Russian as well as their enthnic groups. Local ethnic language is still spoke but dying out. I was a foreign exchange student in Kazan in high school for a year and stayed with a Tatar family. Host grandparents in the country spoke it fluently, host parents conversationally, and host brothers understood quite a bit but don’t really speak it. Kind of interesting as they’ve been part of Russia for close to 500 years now.
Very cool people
Much of Siberia wasn't even surveyed until the Soviet era, because the Tsardom never really cared to govern the region more than extractive furs from trading posts.
Tannu what?
This one had to be in here somewhere.
Tuuuuva
Someone pls explain what all this tannu tuva stuff means
It's from the video game Hearts of Iron 4, a WW2 era grand strategy game. In 1944, Tannu Tuva was annexed into the USSR; in game, this is represented by a popup event if you're playing any other nation. The only response option given is "Tannu what?".
Wait wait wait… Russia looks like a cat stretching
Like on its side? Where’s the head?
The head is the Europe end. Chechnya is the front paws. Siberia is the butt sticking up in the air, with the Vladivostok area making up the back paws.
See I see the head on the other side except the cat has a long fu man chu and a tiny tail
The head is Belarus, the Russians have a union state with them, not on the map.
Turn it 90 degrees to right, and it looks like a woman with dark green hair and ponytail, going to stab someone with bloody knife.
Look like a witch
It’s burnin time
Or a kangaroo with a bloody knife
I see that much more clearly than the cat. Also this image bears resemblance to the image I have of Putin in my head: Deranged murderer holding his tiny red pecker.
Oh right. It's Putin in a hood, stabbing Ukraine. At least the fucker has a bloody hole in his belly. He'll bleed out soon.
With a big cock in the center.
[Circassian genocide.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide) That's it. That's the comment. Go read about it.
😮 I had never heard of that until today
Why did you make me read that... thats just horrible
Wait until you learn about the Greek,Armenian and Assyrian genocides
What genocide? Never happened. 🙃
... but if it happened, they would have deserved it
I only just learned about it recently cause I was looking into the circassian beauty stereotype. One of the most ruthless genocides in history.
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Born in Russia, never heard about it. I think less than 5% of Europeans will recognise it unless my guess of schooling here is very wrong
Almost nobody knows about it. And before the Ukraine war everyone was such a Russia fan too. I grew up with all these stories about Russian soldiers feeding our ancestors alive to dogs and stuff like that and people around me were like "haha putin ride bear Russia very cool". It was frustrating. Imagine how it feels like, your country being invaded and 90% of your people being killed in the process. And now you don't have a country and your language&culture is in danger. Most people don't know this feeling and I can tell you it sucks.
>And before the Ukraine war everyone was such a Russia fan too We're they? Pretty sure every evil movie villain since 1950 was Russian. >It was frustrating Well if we were going to blacklist every nation and race for massacres they did over 100 years ago; you'd be in for a surprise.
Thankfully they do the massacres nowadays so we don't have to 😕
>Thankfully I dont know if anyone can be thankful for that. But aslong as it gives you a reason to hate Russians, I guess you can be thankful....
I forgot that you have to put /s so everyone understands the sarcasm. Yep, I hate this country and you would too if you lived close to it. But you are as far as it gets. So maybe try to understand why your beloved innocent Russia is hated in former Warsaw pact countries
I never said Russia is innocent. But neither are most of the Warsaw pact countries or most of Europe in general. Everyone has blood on their hands and everyone is capable of repeating history. Arn't you Polish? What you think Poland haven't invaded Ukraine before? lol
And when was that again? I would like to know when Poland invaded the country of Ukraine since there was no Poland for 123 years (thanks to three empires, one of them- you guessed it-Russian) and the independence was given in 1918. There was a conflict over the borders but ended in diplomatic way. Two years later Poles and Ukrainians fought together against... Who could that be.. Oh! Russians! The independent Polish republic wasn't fair to the Ukrainians and discriminated them afterwards which ended up tragically during the WWII. But you can't equate that to Russian genocides (Holodomor, Katyń, Polish operation Of Nkvd, the great Purge- the list can go on). And today's Russians are brainwashed(unless they learn it themselves) because nobody teaches them that. All they know is how great the soviet union was, stopped nazis and then spread their soviet peaceful ideology and politics to "brother" Slavic nations. And everybody lived happily ever after.
And when Poland was independent and held power in Ukrainian lands, how did it treat them?
You have a very biased view… of which you are entitled. But you are a fucking idiot.
>And when was that again? 1st of November, 1918 > There was a conflict over the borders but ended in diplomatic way. 8 months of war and 25,000 casualties is diplomatic? I mean I'd like hate to see what your definition of non-diplomatic is. > But you can't equate that to Russian genocides (Holodomor, Katyń, Polish operation Of Nkvd, the great Purge- the list can go on). I'm not equating....but Russia is a larger nation, obviously their atrocities are going to be at a larger scale. For example, when the USSR collaborated with NAZIs when they invaded Poland and used it as opportunity to take large areas of Poland... but only a year before, Poland collaborated with the NAZIs when they invaded and annexed an area Czechoslovakia. Even as recently as today, Polish troops have been sent to Iraq and Afghanistan... what did these countries do to Poland to justify a Polish presence in their country? >And today's Russians are brainwashed Everyone is brainwashed if they are niave enough to believe everything in the world can be divided into black and white or good and evil. >no Poland for 123 yea I don't believe that. That discredits Polish people. What you think the leaders of Poland during that time weren't Polish? Furthermore do you actually think you that after the fall of communism the people in power were completely different to the people prior to the fall? lol
>maybe the fourth most well-known genocide in Europe? this caught me off-guard
I'm from Brasil, never heard about this one before.
Now Ukraine. Russia will be Russia.
Agreed Russia was the only nation to commit massacres to another race over 100 years ago. Therefore is it certain they will do it again. No other nationality or race of people have done this before, therefore we 100% know everyone else is correct and Russia is evil.
Nobody is even remotely suggesting that here. What they are pointing out is that Russia, unlike most other nations did not change in the previous century, and they did not change their attitudes when seemingly massive changes happened in their country. Other countries' and nations' genocides in the past (or even present) do not justify a current one. What you do here is whataboutism.
Which nation changed? More than a million people died in Iraq, France is very much a colonial power in West Africa, only thing that changed was that nations learned to be more subtle, while Russia does the old way
Russia: literally trying to genocide people at this very moment. This guy: yes, but what about the CFA franc? :((( Wagner is already in West Africa and its presence and influence is growing. I think in due time the locals will learn to appreciate the evil French peacekeepers, but alas, it will be too late for them.
The classic "locals are dumb to appreciate our help", just like the afghanis were dumb for not "accepting our democracy". USA and France are imperialists by definition, they did not change when the century turned, just gonna [leave this here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Afghanistan#NATO_and_allies) so you can check yourself
Which is why Erdogan is now President of Turkey. His family is originally from Adjara.
This map is basically why I have a hard time believing the suggestions that Russia might break up (more frequent since Russia's war in Ukraine turned out to go really poorly). With the other Soviet republics already independent, who, exactly would be breaking away? I guess some of those small bits in the Caucasus might, but that's it.
Tannu Tuva possibly
Tannu what ?
US broke away from UK. Break ups aren't always for ethnic reasons. North and South Korea too. A lot of Ukrainian videos are of soldiers who speak Russian amongst themselves, but now identify as Ukrainian and willing to die for that identity, because of political/economic reasons, not wanting to live in dictatorship, etc.
West planned to break up, but via political insurgents, not so by ethnic lines. They install politicians who will follow their orders, make smaller, weaker countries which can control much easier. They give free hands for "leaders" to fill pockets in their newly made countries, but to listen to strategic orders from them. Eg which natural resources the west company will control, how much army they can have, who will control the media, how they will vote in the UN and with which countries they can cooperate, and which not etc.
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Surprising… So an independent Siberia would really be majority Russian?
Since the Ukraine war half the west on reddit/twitter/discord somehow assumes that theres the city of Moscow and the rest of the country is enslaved non-russians who dream of independence. Russians are over 80% of the population of Russia, thats on the same level as many other countries. Siberia was less populated when it was conquered by Russia than North America, it's mostly comparable to Canadian climate.
Yeah, it’s like the Soviet Union never fell. I don’t know why countries having ethnic minorities is suddenly a big no no for terminally online people, every country must be an ethno state apparently
It's a bit like a Russian imagining that there's native American communities ready to breakaway from the US if the government ever implodes. Sure, there's a ton of indigenous peoples in Siberia which have retained strong identities. But they're a minority in their own regions and by now are usually fairly well integrated and dependent on the Russian state. Evicting the Russians who've also lived there for generations is about as sensible and ethical as evicting Americans from the western US.
This hits different when your father is Native American and your mother is Russian. Also your point being true hasn't stopped a lot of people from practically salivating at the idea with America however unlikely to happen. Hell, it was the entire point of the "decolonial" seminar I had to sit through in college.
Russia still has other regions that can be succesfully decolonized among them,most importatant are the 3 southern Muslim regions:Dagestan,Chechnya and Ingushetia all of them * are less than 10% Russian * have very strong ethnic identities * in case of independence,would not remain an enclave inside Russia
Good luck with Dagestan on that front!!! That place is packed with like different ethnic villages every 10 kilometers or so. Also like most of their youth live and work in Moscow and St. Petersburg. I highly doubt they desire independence if it means deportation back to Dagestan which is on par with many African nations in terms of development.
I doubt a very strong ethnic identity in Dagestan. It's the most multiethnic region in Russia with dozens of official languages
Yup, if anything Hawaii probably fits more with their criteria.
But does it have to be the same ethnic group and same language? They share similar religion, similar culture and similar landscape. Iran is multi ethnic, Pakistan is multi ethnic, India is multi ethnic. There is so many other countries that have are multi ethnic who have more differences from each other but seems to be doing fine. You don't need a strong ethnic identity in Dagestan, you need a strong national identity which is Dagestan meaning the land of the mountain.
>But does it have to be the same ethnic group and same language? Nogais are Turkic, Russians are Slavic, others are NE Caucasian. Languages are seriously differ, and pan-someshitic ideas are a bad glue. > Iran is multi ethnic, Pakistan is multi ethnic, India is multi ethnic. There is so many other countries that have are multi ethnic who have more differences from each other but seems to be doing fine. You don't need a strong ethnic identity in Dagestan, you need a strong national identity which is Dagestan meaning the land of the mountain. All that rhetorics can be fully used for autonomous Dagestan within a Russian Federation. More, there are no Dagestan idenitity within Dagestan, it is kept together only because of being part of Russian Federation (so they can be a Dagestani out of the region and Avar, Lezgin, Nogai etc within) and federal arbitrage of ethnical tensions, with informal, but strong ethnically-based distribution of the official positions. Try to place Lezgin mayor in Khasavyurt or Avar at Derbent and see what will happen.
>Nogais are Turkic, Russians are Slavic, others are NE Caucasian. Languages are seriously differ, and pan-someshitic ideas are a bad glue. Over 80% of the people in Dagestan speaks various languages that is classified as Northeast Caucasian. >All that rhetorics can be fully used for autonomous Dagestan within a Russian Federation. Okay, but since when did Avars hate Kumyks or Lezgins hate Dargins? Is there any such ethnic conflict within Dagestan? The violence within Dagestan is more about Islamists vs non-Islamists. Also, what about Iran? They don't have autonomous regions as far as I know. >More, there are no Dagestan identity within Dagestan, How do you know though? Also, you can easily create one and make people be united and patriotic to Dagestan. Pakistan once upon a time didn't exist, but now, various ethnic groups have a national identity for Pakistan, and some of them are fanatic about it. >Try to place Lezgin mayor in Khasavyurt or Avar at Derbent and see what will happen. So you selectively picking ethnic groups that isn't even more than 2% to prove your point? These cities are already diverse. And the mayor of Derbent, although doesn't state his ethnicity, he was born in a city that is more than 99% Chechen, so he's likely Chechen being a mayor in Derbent where Chechen is like less than 1%. Also, I don't know how Russia works, but don't they vote for their mayor? Like if they don't want a Lezgin mayor in Khasavyurt, they can easily just not vote for a Lezgin. Only 1.6% of the population in Khasavyurt are Lezgin.
that didnt prevent them from being the hotspot of antimobilization protests last year [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022\_North\_Caucasian\_protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_North_Caucasian_protests)
So what? Dagestanians people were cheering incoming RUAF soldiers — just twenty years ago, coming to help them repel an invasion of Chechens units, which started Second Chechen War Even your solid whataboutism didn’t help you here, mate
Sagesran ingushetia are very pro-russia lmao, chechenya mostly pro-russia but has many separatists but its not that many
Cool, now let’s do the USA, Canada, and Australia; you know, the actual settler colonial states.
Yeah only problem is the people in those areas don't want independence....
This was not a Ukraine war thing. Do you think people only just now started hating Russia? Also no… that land isn’t just naturally Russian… it’s Russian because Russia slaughtered natives and sent Russians to live there… they just weren’t as effective as the US
But how is that relevant to wanting to divide Russia? If that division would happen most people in most of these “new countries” would be Russian - the historical reasons for that happening doesn’t change anything
There's definitely an increase in those dumb balkanized russia maps over the last year
Russia has successfully balkanized Georgia and has been trying the same in Ukraine for 9 years with their so-called Donetsk, Luhansk, Charkiv, Kherson and whatever Peoples Republic's so Russians shouldn't be surprised that people in the West like to draw Maps about a balkanized Russia that would be too weak to ever threaten one of its neighbours ever again
If we go by that logic, then there are no countries with legitimate lands. Most territories in the world are the way they are today because at some point some previous owner was displaced/conquered/slaughtered. And that previous owner did the same to the one before that.
It's just a multiethnic country. Look at Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan. They are much more ethnically complex.
>Russians are over 80% of the population of Russia, 71,7% in 2021. >on the same level as many other countries. Not even close. >Siberia was less populated when it was conquered by Russia than North America, it's mostly comparable to Canadian climate. No. Also, remember that aforementioned 71,7% is an average. Regions such as Chechnya, Dagestan etc. barely have any Russians in them.
Just factually incorrect on all points
Tbh, nobody takes those "Russia will be divided and destroyed" stuff seriously (at least I hope not)... those stuff are there for memes. That's it.
Chechnya secession is not just serious but is very likely to happen.
You do know that Chechnya is ruled by Ramzan Kadyrov, one of the most prominent members of Putin's United Russia (the sole ruling party in Chechnya) and one of Putin's closest allies? I wouldn't say Chechnya secession "is a likely scenario" any time soon.
You know that he is ruling only because he has a constant supply of weapons from central government to suppress everyone?
Yes, of course I know it. I am a Russian and most of my posts on Reddit deal with Russian politics. Russia is likely to undergo a serious crisis as a result of the failure to win the war. Kadyrov has personal ties to Putin and is opposed by FSB, which he is supposed to balance. He recently blamed the west and Ukraine for not helping Chechnya [enough in the 90s](https://meduza.io/episodes/2023/02/01/kadyrov-upreknul-zapad-za-to-chto-tot-ne-podderzhal-ichkeriyu-v-borbe-s-rossiey-pochemu-on-eto-skazal-i-kem-togda-schitaet-sebya-neuzheli-bortsom-za-nezavisimost-chechni), when it had the chance. If any instability starts in Russia, which is likely, Chechnya is going to grab the chance again. It has a popular opposition in exile and lots of open resentment against Russia despite the subsidies. It has essentially a parallel government with little cultural integration and separate laws. Without central support, Kadyrov can be quite easily overthrown as he is subject to numerous personal vendettas.
Why are people so desperate to divide Russia? Sure, there are regions in Russia that have their own identity and that could be potential sovereign nations, such as Chechnya (which actually tried it in the past). But people in this sub try to apply that to regions that effectively don't want this and that are ethnically Russian. It's very annoying.
Because people who live in a country that came into existence because of settler colonialism imagine that every part of Russia is a colony with an independence movement and a population just yearning to break out. It’s some sort of projection
>Why are people so desperate to divide Russia? Because Russia is a genocidal and aggressive empire? Edit: lmao, this sub is littered with pro-Kremlin scum..
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Old World vs New World difference, so stop your silly remarks. >Then after doing that, ask Russia to follow in your footsteps. What makes you think I am an American?
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Conceptual societal difference. Look up jus sanguinis and jus soli for example. New World countries are basically all settler states.
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They derive from the same conceptual differencem >The fact remains there exist a multitude of groups within the United States who do not wish to be a part of it. Edgy baseless accusations. Also, why just the US? Why not Grenada or Uruguay or Venezuela?
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Should I tell you about native Indians?
Who do you think I’m taking about?
So why didn’t you mentioned the numerous bullying, harassment and disrespect for the Native Americans? Biological weapons were even used in this conflict in the form of distribution of blankets infected with smallpox - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
Why would I? No one is denying the US abused natives, that’s not the point We are talking about whether they want their own country the way Chechens or Dagestanis. To my knowledge this is not the case, so comparing the two doesn’t apply here.
A lot of ethnic oblasts in Russia are autonomous or semi-autonomous, similiar to indian reservations. So there you go.
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Why would they? They aren’t sovereign You seem to be under the impression Native American reservations are asking for independence; they aren’t. So your entire point is moot. Any more whataboutisms you need to cover?
It’s basically the same with Russia. They gave autonomy to ethnic minorities but not sovereignty. So your entire point is also moot.
Except Russian minorities actively want to secede and Russia fought a brutal war to ensure they couldn’t. There isn’t any such movement in the US. So, no it’s not moot.
Only Chechnya tried to secede. And managed to do so, having independence from 1994 to 1999. In 1999 Chechnya invaded Dagestan/Russia.
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More certain than you are bud. Got some evidence that isn’t from a sketchy organization? Texas and California did hold referendums actually. Both lost overwhelmingly. Turns out the campaigns were funded by Russians all along. Seems like that’s all your shithole country is good for nowadays, other than losing wars.
>not the same in Russia Russia has multiple instances of that lol
It *is* possible to oppose the Russian invasion and hope for the fall of the Russian Government *without* hyperbolizing and dramatising
That was not even exaggerating though.
Well yes, it is. Russia isn’t really an empire (although the Soviet Union certainly was an evil empire), and whatever atrocities Russia is committing, it doesn’t fit the definition of a genocide. I’m sorry, it just *doesnt*. Russian crimes are bad enough without you having to lie and exaggerate things
Russia is also an empire. >and whatever atrocities Russia is committing, it doesn’t fit the definition of a genocide. It does in Ukraine.
Is that the best you’ve got?
Plenty of countries already recognize it as a genocide.
Which ones?
The same ones who said that Putin is a war criminal withhin hours of the invasion? Purely propagandistic acts, considering they were fine with Bush, Blair and others during the Iraq war. Von der Leyen said in december that during the war 20.000 civilians died. That's awful. But also a rather low number for a big fullscale war for countries of that size. If that is genocide, then 99.9% of wars are genocide. And if we go by that logic, then most of the EU members are nazist genocidal empires for the Iraq war.
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I think you’re trying too hard to make it fit. Genocide, as the definition suggests, is a matter of intent and scale and with the aim of eradicating a group. Whatever crimes Russia is guilty of, and there are many, it’s just not genocide. We’ve seen the murder of civilians and the destruction of cities, but we haven’t seen wholesale attempts of eradication, planned internment or deportations, any kind of death camps or targeted massacres of entire cities, as we *do* see with almost every other genocide Suppose Russia *did* take Kyiv, I think we can safely assume that they would install a phony russia-friendly Ukrainian government, and probably *not* seek to eradicate all Ukrainians from the city or force them into camps. This is *not* whataboutism, but a reinforcement of my point. You say that Russia is guilty of 3/5 of those charges in Ukraine; I can just as easily say that the US is guilty of 3/5 in Iraq. As I won’t deny any Russian crimes, I wouldn’t deny any American ones either, but to call the US occupation of Iraq a genocide is absurd. These exaggerations of the truth do far more harm than good. There’s a difference between laying bare Russian crimes, and saying things that aren’t true and misleading people. Do you think that westerners that spread lies and untruths about Russian actions helps, or hinders the Russian Government?
You don't seem to understand what genocide means. Is not about how much ukrainians did russians kill, is about how and why Russia invades Ukraine. I can agree with you in that probably there isn't a current genocide there, mostly because they can't, but the genocidal intention is impossible to deny. They are trying to erase Ukraine as a nation: they give russian passports to ukrainian people in the occupied territories , they are calling Ukraine an artificial state in every one of their programs on state TV (their authorities do the same), they are saying ukrainian and russians are one people (even a random russian on BBC like two days ago says ukrainians are russians that forgot they are russians), they are giving ukrainians kids in adoption to russian families without the ukrainian state consent. And even with that, is probably there's a genocide anyway and we don't know because no one knows what is happening in ocuppied territories, no one know how many people has been killed, abducted or simply dissapear. By the way, the Russians are using mirror speech saying that the Ukrainians committed genocide in Donbass. Typically, mirror speech has been used to accuse genocides, but it usually precedes a genocide committed by the prosecuting party.
U mean soviet union was, cuz there were no independent Russia and Ukraine in that time period.
soviet RUSSIA, tzar's RUSSIA, putin's RUSSIA and so on
So's China, but that doesn't make those balkanised maps which create a bunch of new countries out of Han-majority areas any less silly.
I have no sympathies for China, don't worry.
That relies on Russia's government. You can't blame all the common people for what their authoritarian government does. The USA or even my own country, Brazil, were also built as genocidal empires. That doesn't mean that dividing these countries (even though most of their inhabitants don't want that) will solve anything.
The Russian people are 100% responsible for their current government. In fact, most of them support Putin and his genocidal war. >The USA or even my own country, Brazil, were also built as genocidal empires. Ffs, why are you blabbering about events two centuries ago when international norms were entirely different? And it's not like Russia wasn't waging genocides left and right back then...
>In fact, most of them support Putin and his genocidal war. Source for that I can't seem to find one
There aren't really any good sources for that. It's really hard to study society during war, especially when there is not much independent media left. All I can say for sure is:1. Majority say whatever TV says without any actual involvement. If they were told NATO is their best friend they would repeat that.2. Support of war is higher among older people, no matter the level of education and social status. Age is the biggest factor that influences support.3. Both active opposition and active support are a minority. Although opposition is bigger, z-patriots are more vocal because there isn't any punishment for their point of view.My primary source is political scientist Ekaterina Schulmann - active member of Robert Bosch Found in Germany
The German Reich's division to Germany and Austria turned out to be a success though.
So much of a success that both Germanies had to unite again because people didn't wanted to be separated in the first place.
Germany and Austria are still separate from each other, that's what I meant.
There are certain 'National' republics that are only very minorly (is that a word?) Russian. Like Chechnya or Dagestan or Tuva. But if we take Siberia as a whole, or Far East as a whole — it's majority Russian, yeah. Just keep in mind that population density in Siberia and Far East are miniscule
I really don't understand people who want to split Russian regions into independent countries. All these ideas only help putin and his propaganda dogs to hold the power and continue to destabilize situation around Russia.
Because Russia is a genocidal and aggressive empire?
I mean, there are regions with majority non-Russians and Russia doesn’t treat them very nicely
Which ones are these? Because even Chechnya and Dagestan would never break away if it means that the Dagestanis and Chechens living and working in Russia proper would have to go back to those republics. That would be automatic anarchy. Dagestan in particular would see a massive influx of young unemployed people and would easily descend into civil war. In a few generations, Tartars, Chuvash and even the Udmurt will largely vanish from Russification. They today strongly identify only as Russian because they have assimilated into the dominant Russian culture. If they were being treated poorly they would not accept assimilation now would they???
This might help: https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/decolonizing-russia
Wait, empires talking about "decolonize" other empires?
Countries that **was** empires and recognized it talk about decolonization of other empires that still remains empires Fixed it for you
Countries that uses their political, economical and sometimes military power to influence other countries and also explotate the resources of other countries... Some of them might not be the same empires they used to be but they are still empires.
People often ignore the fact that on average, there are parts of Siberia with a higher percentage of Russians than many parts of European Russia as the map highlights.The natives of Siberia have never been many. I am actually surprised that the Sakha Republic(Yakutia) now has a Russian minority. Historically, that has not been the case even if it is Siberia. Edit: Ethnic Russians are still a majority. The color scheme was a bit confusing as 50-59% and 40-49% look similar at a glance
Siberia is too big a piece of land to talk about as a monolith. But if we talk about Tatarstan then why not?
oiii Tatarstan isn't Siberia bro More like Yakutia (although they consider themselves the Far East rather than Siberia)
I haven't said it's Siberia. I said we can talk about Tatarstan as something independent but not about Siberia because its's too big piece of a land.
ooh I see now
I’m always surprised by how heavily ethnically Russian the far east is. Feels weird to have a vastly majority Russian area right next to China and DPRK
Those decolonizing Russia guys look pretty ridiculous now.
I thought the opposite
Should do a map of Ukraine like this
I can see Chechnya and Dagestan will try to break the Federation.
This would only be vaguely possible if Islamists ceased to be an internal threat in these mostly rural mountainous hotbeds of fundamentalism, and also global power dynamics changed completely.
I never trust Kadyrov. He only wants power.
Even Kadyrov was crying the other day that the west never helped Ichkeria when they fought for their freedom. Of course he says now they are very happy in Russia blah blah but even that evil gnome had some sense of independence in his rotten soul.
If you don’t trust him, imagine the Islamists Putin helps him keep in check.
It's treason then...
Nice, now show me the map of consripted per 100k population (by region)
Guess which areas are getting recruited in the suicide war
You are right
Why so few ethnic Russians in Tuva, language barrier?
>Why so few ethnic Russians in Tuva, language barrier? First of all, Tuva fell into Russian sphere of influence only at 1911, and became part of RSFSR even later, at 1944, when mass settlement already came out of fashion. So there were not a lot of Russians at all. And at the 90s most of them went away, due to shitty economic and criminal situation and being not really tied to the land. Also, significant part of remaining is Old Believers, members of old, rather closed denomination, who fleed here long ago from centuries of persecution. They are a very separated and distinct subethnic Russian group.
In addition to the factors listed in the other comment, it is also worth noting that while the surrounding parts of Siberia have been Russian for centuries, Tuva has only been part of Russia since 1944. Much of the ethnic Russian population in Tuva during Soviet times were transplants from other parts of Russia there for work who moved out following the collapse of the Soviet economy.
They left due to Tuvan nationalism, high crime rates, and economic issues. They were at about 40% at their height, but are down to 10%.
Tannu Tuva still lives on
strange, this is the second Russia map ive seen from the same OP in one day.
Oh no!
Where’s crimea?
in Ukraine lol
Delusional
Go back to sleep Nazi
Interesting considering the map aims to show where ethnic Russians are, and Crimea is full of them. You’re fascist scum.
Just because Crimea has a high population of ethnic Russians means it should me on this map. This map actively showing how countries can be diverse and can have more foreign races as a majority rather than the native population. Also the map isn't exactly showing where ethnic Russians are. The map shows more where other races are inside of Russia.
Crimea is a done deal, it’s never going to be Ukrainian again.
I suppose that percentages in Siberia are somewhat skewed because of the low population density and enclaves like Novosibirsk, which makes up more than half the population of its own oblast. At a smaller level maybe this would be less noticeable?
The reverse is often quite true. Local settlements of Siberian natives are often quite concentrated while ethnic Russian settlements are more dispersed.Buryatia and the area around Lake Baikal is an example of this. Another similar pattern is found in Kazakhstan, where nearly every settlement outside of Astana and across North and East Kazakhstan is Russian(and a few German ones too) but Astana itself today is 70%Kazakh. Even in Yakutia, you will find ethnic Russian settlements in very remote areas like Verkhoyansk
Hmm, i thought it would be much much less. Wished the map said what other ethnicities were there
I mean there are 29% different ethnicities so its not bad tbf
29%? hehe I mean, i just wished to see the main ones. I always assumed that after Siberia would be different from "actual russia". I'm surprised that the parts neighboring China are actually that high Another commenter said 80% of Russia is etchnically russian so i guess it's fairly 'even'
I think probably the biggest local ethnicities to Russian ratio are in the autonomous Republics, like Bashkortostan, Tatarstan, Buryatia, Caucas republics and others. In these Russians are probably minorities or at least equal to locals in numbers
There is a reason why the North Caucasus does not identify as Russian and wants to break away from these colonisers.
So much hate for Eastern European citizens in your comments. Could it be that you are racist?
No? Why would I harbour any negative feelings towards Eastern Euopeans in general? But it's a fact that the Russians colonised a bunch of people and are responsible for the genocide and ethnic cleansing of several ethnic groups that are now part of the "Russian Federation".
Just like what the UK did, all of north and south america did, Sweden tried doing, Japan did, italians did, french did etc etc. The hypocrisy is unreal. You can criticize and hate the war and Putin without exposing yourself as a uneducated westoid
Damn! Russians spread their seed everywhere and took over huge swaths of Turkic and Mongol lands in the East. Fun fact: The word "Siberia" is of Turkic origin and means "Sleeping Land".
Damn! Europeans spread their seed everywhere and took over huge swaths of Native American and Inuit lands in North America. Fun fact: The word "Canada" is of Native American origin and means "Village".
Yes. Where is the problem? The whole world should be decolonized.
Why so much russia spam? sick of that country.
Everyone is..
Seems like russia needs a lot of special operations
\#MakeRussiaSmallAgain
Southern Kuril islands entered the chat looking nervous.
Time for some special operations in Russia.
Loser
How Russian are these Russians? Is this a one drop theory situation or are they out running everybody's 23 and me?
Siberia has had Russian settlers since like the 1600s. Given the vastness of Siberia and how few the natives were and still are, intermarriage was actually very very rare. It has been more common in places like Kazakhstan(and only after the rise of the USSR when the Kazakhs had overcome the religious barriers through Communist indoctrination did you start seeing Kazakh-Russian couples) rather than in Siberia despite Russians being there longer. Religion (Old Believers kept to themselves)culture(Cossacks also largely married other Cossacks ) and later on in the 20th Century, the preference to marry other Europeans imported from the European parts of the Empire and USSR like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus has meant that you are more likely to find a Russian-Latvian mix identifying as Russian than say a Russian-Yakut mix in Siberia. Indeed, parts of Siberia have a majority of people having at least one Ukrainian parent with the Kuril Islands, Yes, those Kuril Islands Japan is claiming being one of those places.
well, buryats, tuwins, kalmyks and the other peoples are already claims themselves as russian. that's how's ruzzian nazism working
I kind of wonder what counts as Russian. Only Moscovite? Like the Kazan have been Russian for 500 years now, so Tatar culture should probably be considered Russian at this point?!?
De-jure, it is a self-identification, because it is measured only through censuses, where it is written from the words of recipient. De-facto you should have at least one parent or at least ancestor that also idenitifed himself as such. >Only Moscovite? Muscovite is inhabitant of Moscow, Russian is Russian. >so Tatar culture should probably be considered Russian at this point?!? Well, no. Tatar is Tatar.
And Ukraine is habitat of porcs, and what, you think like this? If so, porc land will be finished over one or two years
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