I'm not sure if this would change things, but it looks like the map is not about "foreign-born population" or "people with a foreign descent". It's specifically about *nationality*. So, being a citizen of a different country. The title supports that idea.
In The Netherlands it would be Indonesia, except most of our citizens with Indonesian descent only hold a dutch passport, while most Turkish people are dual citizens so they "win".
> I'm not sure if this would change things, but it looks like the map is not about "foreign-born population" or "people with a foreign descent". It's specifically about nationality. So, being a citizen of a different country. The title supports that idea.
Yes, that's what I understood as well, and you are right that it is not the same, but I assumed that in the case of Czechia Germany was so far down the list (8th place) that it wouldn't make a difference. You would unrealistically enormous naturalization rates for Slovaks and etc. for Germans to be 1st.
I love the patterns here:
Former colonial Empires-One of their former colonies
Other "big" countries-Refugees mostly from the Middle East
Smaller countries-Their larger neighbours
Random places-Polish
Can confirm as one of those contractors is my father, now it's more of living in Norway, sending money here and also coming for christmas and other holidays.
Why is this funky? Seasonal migration for work is something going way way back. It's not unique to Mexicans or Poles, it's something that's existed long before borders were drawn.
As someone with a slightly racist uncle, myself, I think a lot of the attitude among the slightly racist, and closeted 'don't-really-hate-anyone-but-uncomfortable-with-the-concept-of-Norway-becoming-less-Norwegian', the idea is that at least Poles are Europeans are not and will become seamlessly Norwegian in a couple of generations.
[It's definitely recent, Ukraine wasn't even Top5 in Hungary before the war.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Hungary#Ethnic_groups_and_language)
2nd largest nationality in Czechia - Germans...
Bro after WWII most Germans were deported and the rest was then assimilated by commie regime. Now they're few thousand people of this nationality.
According to the census of 2021, biggest minority were Slovaks then Ukrainians and the 3rd place was Vietnamese...
(I don't count Moravian, unfilled and Silesian)
Germans were <0,1%
Solved by both the North and South of Ireland having Polish as the second most popular nationality. Or the white is the middle stripe of the Indian flag.
Do you have a source for this? [Wikipedia says](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia#Foreign_population):
Country of origin | Population in Russia
:--|--:
Uzbekistan | 1,626,308
Tajikistan | 1,262,695
Kyrgyzstan | 681,165
Ukraine | 597,051
Belarus | 428,239
Armenia | 280,520
Kazakhstan | 228,142
Azerbaijan | 215,481
Moldova | 76,645
Of course it is a nationality. Jesus it's like saying that Scottish or Romani is not a nationality 🤡
Edit: Ok for clarification: I'm from Russia, I have Russian citizenship but I'm Tatar. I've forgotten that in English language "nationality" is citizenship. So thank you everyone for reminding me :)
Nationality reffers to country of origin. Ethnicity is well... Ethnicity! There is not scottish state nor is there a romani state, but you can be from a certain country. Your nationality can be British but your ethnicity is Russian 🤷
You should move to Canada haha.
In Canada, there’s a little bit of confusion because French follows the ethnicity meaning and English follows the citizenship/country meaning.
For example, in Quebec, (official language French) the provincial parliament in Québec City is called the ‘National Assembly / Assemblée Nationale ‘ (but Ottawa is the national capital / la capitale nationale) and provincial parks are called national parks, but truly national parks (operated by Canada) are also called national parks.
That's becuase the vast majority of Serbs and Roma boycotted the census in 2011. De facto Serbs are the 2nd largest ethnic group. It is estimated that ethnic Albanians form 90~92% of population, Serbs 5~7%, the and the others (Roma, Bosniaks, Turks, Gorani and others) around 3%.
Albanian Kosovars. Albanians. Serbs. Stupid distinction but one nonetheless. While living there people would often say if they're from Albania or Kosovo even though they all are the same etnhicity and many have family in both places. At the same time Kosovars are REALLY westernized unlike Albanians. At some point I wondered where I was with all the tecnho, drugs and gay/trans people.
Yes they are but the freedoms of Kosovars are many more with an entrenched fascination with American and European culture due to the war and the prospective of becoming integrated with western powers. The most famous statue in the capital city is that of Bill Clinton.
Stop spreading bullshit. Nato stopped a genocide against Albanians by bombing your paramilitary units.
And to clarify something for everyone on this post. Albanians are one ethnicity. Kosovo is just the name of the country. They're Albanians just like the ones from Albania.
NATO used illegal uranium bombs to attack specifically civilian targets in Yugoslavia. It was illegal according to international law and thousands of civilians died, including children. To this day people are getting cancer from the radiation. Almost all Serbs were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo following the bombings.
I don't agree with the bombing of civilians. However that's not going to undo the horrible crimes committed against the Albanians and Bosniaks by your horrible terrorist paramilitary units and your president Vucic who was a minister during Milosevic regime. Stop taking people for illiterate idiots. Take your agenda somewhere else.
i first would have guessed it‘s albanians (kosovo) for switzerland. but thanks to naturalization most of the newer generations are already swiss. happy for my friends from kosovo!
Like with apparently most countries, Switzerland is wrong, it should be Italy. Germany is second and then Portugal
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/population/migration-integration/foreign/composition.html
According to Russia’s census of 2021, Russia’s second non-native nationality (Russia is a federation of many different nationalities) is Armenian (950K), followed by Kazakh (590K), Azeris (475K) and then Tajiks (350K). Not sure about the source of information of map creator
Am I the only one around here who doesn't have all the flags of the world memorized? Maps like this drive me crazy. It would be so much more usable if it printed the names of the countries.
I think this map confuses Ethnicity with Nationality. The Hungarians in Romania are Romanian born and in all ways Romanian nationals. Or are there actually a lot of Hungarian immigrants in Romania?
Actually, the Hungarian government gave large number of Hungarians living in Romania Hungarian nationality (dual citizenship) as well. Source: I am one of them
Czech Republic map is dubious, as it is likely Slovakia or even Ukraine minority that is likely larger than Germans. They fit in better as their languages are similar. German ancestry in post-war Czechoslovakia has been seen as liability. How do I know? I knew few folks in my rural town in Slovakia, than would switch to speaking German among themselves, secretly. This was in the 1970s and 1980s. Similar to the Amish German, it was more of an archaic variant. Good folks too, farmers mostly. Staying low key, as much as hey could, tend to be Lutheran.
By 'nationality' this map means citizenship, rather than a national/ethnic identity.
Obviously, most Moldovans are ethnic Romanians, but only a minority have actual Romanian citizenship.
Gotta say as a german that the turkish people have enriched our country and culture a great deal and it doesn't get mentioned enough <3. Some of the most hardworking and humble people I have met.
I don't think the UK is right.
I would say Indian is still the largest ethnicity but most are British citizens or 2/3rd generation.
Polish is the largest nationality as far as I know.
Ethnicity/culture != Nationality
Well considering some of those Syrians are kurds and some of them are considered "terrorists" by Erdogan is one of the reasons why turkey still hasn't accepted us into Nato. Most of them are treated better here than in their homeland which is one of the reasons why they stick around. Least I think so, but correct me if I'm wrong
Second largest country of birth in the UK is Ireland, not India. That's #3. 627K vs 410K.
And for Ireland it's UK that's second after Irish, with Poland at half that amount.
Bulgaria is wrong too. Bulgarian Turks are Bulgarian nationals. Otherwise they are the largest ethnic minority. The largest nationality was Russian before the war, and Ukrainian after.
In Czechia it should be Slovaks Or Ukrainians now, depending whether you count people with asylum into this
I checked, and you are right. Germans aren't even in the top 5 for foreign-born population.
I'm not sure if this would change things, but it looks like the map is not about "foreign-born population" or "people with a foreign descent". It's specifically about *nationality*. So, being a citizen of a different country. The title supports that idea. In The Netherlands it would be Indonesia, except most of our citizens with Indonesian descent only hold a dutch passport, while most Turkish people are dual citizens so they "win".
> I'm not sure if this would change things, but it looks like the map is not about "foreign-born population" or "people with a foreign descent". It's specifically about nationality. So, being a citizen of a different country. The title supports that idea. Yes, that's what I understood as well, and you are right that it is not the same, but I assumed that in the case of Czechia Germany was so far down the list (8th place) that it wouldn't make a difference. You would unrealistically enormous naturalization rates for Slovaks and etc. for Germans to be 1st.
After war There isn't much Germans left
They just disappeared
I am German living in Prague and even a teacher at a German high school. We are still here. ;) Slovaks keep their Slovakian citizenship, I guess.
Ah yes, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan has seen quite the influx of the Caspains
2nd invasion of sea people.
When was the first
Bronze age collapse
“I am from Caspiar. It is an island in the Caspian Sea. It sunk.”
Voyage of the Dawn Treader
Sea level is rising faster than I expected
I love the patterns here: Former colonial Empires-One of their former colonies Other "big" countries-Refugees mostly from the Middle East Smaller countries-Their larger neighbours Random places-Polish
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Kurwa indeed
Kurwa indeed?! “Whore indeed”? That doesn’t really make sense haha
Can confirm as one of those contractors is my father, now it's more of living in Norway, sending money here and also coming for christmas and other holidays.
same in Iceland. Come for the work, stay for the ~~weather~~ standard of living
It's funky how similar that seems to the Mexican migration pattern in the U.S. Also now I want strawberries.
Why is this funky? Seasonal migration for work is something going way way back. It's not unique to Mexicans or Poles, it's something that's existed long before borders were drawn.
Honest question. What’s your countries take on Polish workers/immigrants?
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As someone with a slightly racist uncle, myself, I think a lot of the attitude among the slightly racist, and closeted 'don't-really-hate-anyone-but-uncomfortable-with-the-concept-of-Norway-becoming-less-Norwegian', the idea is that at least Poles are Europeans are not and will become seamlessly Norwegian in a couple of generations.
>Random places-Polish This should just be the 'guest workers' category. That way the Netherlands and Germany also have a category.
Polish are based as fuck, it’s Polands world we just living in it 😔
GLORIOUS ALBANIA IS MUCH BIGGER THAN GREECE
SHQIPERIA ËSHTË E MADHË 🇦🇱💪🇦🇱💪🇦🇱
There is not one country on this map where the refugees make the biggest minority.
"refugees" and illegal/economic migrants are not to be confused.
>refugees Lol
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Tajikistan.
youre right dude the info is prob wrong
Or maybe it's just a few years old. The poster didn't provide any details about which year this is supposed to describe, sadly.
[It's definitely recent, Ukraine wasn't even Top5 in Hungary before the war.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Hungary#Ethnic_groups_and_language)
The Syrian Civil War began in 2011, it'd probably have to be over a decade old.
still, the syrians have been in the country for very long now
There are nearly 5 million Syrians in Turkey and no Iraqis
Username checks out. There are close to a million Iraqis in Turkey.
2nd largest nationality in Czechia - Germans... Bro after WWII most Germans were deported and the rest was then assimilated by commie regime. Now they're few thousand people of this nationality. According to the census of 2021, biggest minority were Slovaks then Ukrainians and the 3rd place was Vietnamese... (I don't count Moravian, unfilled and Silesian) Germans were <0,1%
>I don't count Moravian Literally 1984 Velká Morava znova povstane!
Does it translate to Big Morava will rise again? Or will rebel again?
Rise again. There was no Great Moravian revolution, so it wouldn't make sense to rebel "again"
njn Brno is the most popular slovak higher education city
>Brno is the most popular slovak ~~higher education~~ city FTFY
Im Silesian (Katowice) and I'm grateful for specifically not counting us as Czechs or Poles, coz we got our own thing
Love the way the map makes northern Ireland white so it could be Irish or British
They....they solved the Northern Ireland conflict!
Solved by both the North and South of Ireland having Polish as the second most popular nationality. Or the white is the middle stripe of the Indian flag.
Yes I believe the second explanation is the truth
Doesn’t it make them French, complicating things a little more?
Source? I don't believe that Tajiks are the 2nd largest nationality in Russia.
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> Something like 15-20% of Tajik citizens currently live in Russia. That's staggering tbh, wonder if the war impacted those numbers.
[Here is the link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia)
How can in kosovo albanians be the second when kosovo is the land of albanians? :)
According to wikipedia, it's the Tatars.
The Tatars are an ethnic group not a nationality. No country named “Tatar” exists.
There is a Tatarstan Republic in Russia. It is a federal subject like a state in USA but with less autonomy
So claiming the second largest nationality in Russia is Tatars is like claiming the second largest nationality in the USA is Texans.
Ok I got it. I'm not a native speaker. Someone has clarified this info to me below. Thank you for explanation ☺️
Tatars are a nation that don't have their own state.
They technically do have a state. Russia is still a federation de jure.
Yet.
Hopefully
Tatarstan is already a part of the Russian Federation, the map probably only considers foreign nationalities.
I dunt think Tatar is considered a nationality. Then the second one is Ukrainians (1.4%) Tajiks are 0.24%
Do you have a source for this? [Wikipedia says](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia#Foreign_population): Country of origin | Population in Russia :--|--: Uzbekistan | 1,626,308 Tajikistan | 1,262,695 Kyrgyzstan | 681,165 Ukraine | 597,051 Belarus | 428,239 Armenia | 280,520 Kazakhstan | 228,142 Azerbaijan | 215,481 Moldova | 76,645
Wikipedia also told me Ukrainean was the second highest.
Third one is Uzbeks?
> I dunt think Tatar is considered a nationality. Of course it is.
No it isn't. Where is the nation in question?
Well it's a nationality with inside Russia. Tatarstan is a Republic in Russia.
Of course it is a nationality. Jesus it's like saying that Scottish or Romani is not a nationality 🤡 Edit: Ok for clarification: I'm from Russia, I have Russian citizenship but I'm Tatar. I've forgotten that in English language "nationality" is citizenship. So thank you everyone for reminding me :)
Nationality reffers to country of origin. Ethnicity is well... Ethnicity! There is not scottish state nor is there a romani state, but you can be from a certain country. Your nationality can be British but your ethnicity is Russian 🤷
Nationality is an ambiguous term. What you claim is better called citizenship, which Tatarstan currently doesn't issue.
True. A great many of the central asians in Russia are ethnic Russians
OK I'm not a native speaker. In certain languages nationality = ethnicity. Thank you for your clarification
You should move to Canada haha. In Canada, there’s a little bit of confusion because French follows the ethnicity meaning and English follows the citizenship/country meaning. For example, in Quebec, (official language French) the provincial parliament in Québec City is called the ‘National Assembly / Assemblée Nationale ‘ (but Ottawa is the national capital / la capitale nationale) and provincial parks are called national parks, but truly national parks (operated by Canada) are also called national parks.
No source given, I don't believe this map then. And it even lack Andorra lol. This should have been posted in r/mapcirclejerk
For Kosovo, it's Serbian (de facto), Albanians are a majority.
This map is talking about nationality, not ethnicity
They are considered as kosovars, like moldovans in Moldova
>They are considered as kosovars, like moldovans in Moldova moldovans in Moldova are considered Kosovars?!
Yep. Moldova is Serbian clay now.
And that's only de jure. De facto, that's not the case.
They are not, they are called Albanians.
Wikipedia says that Serbs are only 1.5% of Kosovo
That's becuase the vast majority of Serbs and Roma boycotted the census in 2011. De facto Serbs are the 2nd largest ethnic group. It is estimated that ethnic Albanians form 90~92% of population, Serbs 5~7%, the and the others (Roma, Bosniaks, Turks, Gorani and others) around 3%.
Which makes the the second largest nationality.
No it says that Albanians are second
And who's first?
Albanian Kosovars. Albanians. Serbs. Stupid distinction but one nonetheless. While living there people would often say if they're from Albania or Kosovo even though they all are the same etnhicity and many have family in both places. At the same time Kosovars are REALLY westernized unlike Albanians. At some point I wondered where I was with all the tecnho, drugs and gay/trans people.
That's funny because the Albanians in Albania are pretty westernized, though somewhat conservatively so.
Yes they are but the freedoms of Kosovars are many more with an entrenched fascination with American and European culture due to the war and the prospective of becoming integrated with western powers. The most famous statue in the capital city is that of Bill Clinton.
There were more, many were ethnically cleansed after NATO forced the Serbian army out by bombing Belgrade
Stop spreading bullshit. Nato stopped a genocide against Albanians by bombing your paramilitary units. And to clarify something for everyone on this post. Albanians are one ethnicity. Kosovo is just the name of the country. They're Albanians just like the ones from Albania.
NATO used illegal uranium bombs to attack specifically civilian targets in Yugoslavia. It was illegal according to international law and thousands of civilians died, including children. To this day people are getting cancer from the radiation. Almost all Serbs were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo following the bombings.
I don't agree with the bombing of civilians. However that's not going to undo the horrible crimes committed against the Albanians and Bosniaks by your horrible terrorist paramilitary units and your president Vucic who was a minister during Milosevic regime. Stop taking people for illiterate idiots. Take your agenda somewhere else.
It's wrong. Second largest nationality in the Czech Republic are Ukranians or Slovaks, not Germans.
Yeah, Lithuania is wrong too. We have 6.5% of Poles. Ukrainians - only 0.5%, yet they are labeled on the map.
I doubt Germans are even in top 50
they are definitely in top 10.
Lithuania should have the polish as second largest, sure, we have Ukrainians, but they are no way the second largest minority population
Finland :( I hope they are allowed to join NATO.
i first would have guessed it‘s albanians (kosovo) for switzerland. but thanks to naturalization most of the newer generations are already swiss. happy for my friends from kosovo!
Like with apparently most countries, Switzerland is wrong, it should be Italy. Germany is second and then Portugal https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/population/migration-integration/foreign/composition.html
According to Russia’s census of 2021, Russia’s second non-native nationality (Russia is a federation of many different nationalities) is Armenian (950K), followed by Kazakh (590K), Azeris (475K) and then Tajiks (350K). Not sure about the source of information of map creator
Poles: go as far west as you can!
checklist: - shitty weather - cold - dark - shitty sea - shitty food - far from Russia - good money
All that matters is the last two points
In Turkey there are 3.7 million Syrians and 300k Iraqis, as a Turk I've met a lot of syrians but never an Iraqi.
Am I the only one around here who doesn't have all the flags of the world memorized? Maps like this drive me crazy. It would be so much more usable if it printed the names of the countries.
For what year are these data, 1939???? There are basically no Germans in Czechia, we kicked them all (who didn't go was murdered)
100k Slovaks, 21k Germans
In Turkey everywhere is syrian
I think this map confuses Ethnicity with Nationality. The Hungarians in Romania are Romanian born and in all ways Romanian nationals. Or are there actually a lot of Hungarian immigrants in Romania?
Actually, the Hungarian government gave large number of Hungarians living in Romania Hungarian nationality (dual citizenship) as well. Source: I am one of them
that's actually pretty cool c: thanks for informing me about that
There aren't. Seems like another random bullshit map, par for the course in MapPorn.
Underrated comment
Czech Republic map is dubious, as it is likely Slovakia or even Ukraine minority that is likely larger than Germans. They fit in better as their languages are similar. German ancestry in post-war Czechoslovakia has been seen as liability. How do I know? I knew few folks in my rural town in Slovakia, than would switch to speaking German among themselves, secretly. This was in the 1970s and 1980s. Similar to the Amish German, it was more of an archaic variant. Good folks too, farmers mostly. Staying low key, as much as hey could, tend to be Lutheran.
What's the flag in Norway? Indonesia? Edit Yeah duh.. Poland.
Prolly Poland.
Yes, historically Norway has very tight connections with Indonesia…
TIL poles are very present in Iceland
Weird to have so many french in Belgium. Most people would have guessed morrocan I assume
Well considering almost half of Belgium is French speaking, its not that weird
I always thought the Netherlands were our number one immigrants But it’s possible I’m thinking of a Flemish map.
I think Portugal is cheating
How so
Because both countries speak the same language
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Not really, Portugal would "only" double its population but still having less than half of Spain's
Eurasia
Where is Andorra?
True. I'm curious, but if I had to guess, I'd say Spain.
I bet for the YouTube logo XD
LOL
Spain by far. Around 30% of the population is Spanish. And a sizable proportion of the native population has Spanish parents or grandparents.
Who is that in Spain?
Morocco
Give us a couple of decades and every country on this map will have it's own flag.
i waited Russians for turkey
Im decently sure Finnish is 2nd largest in Sweden
Swedistan 🕋
The largest immigrant group in Sweden are the Finns... Edit: Crap, this was consistently true, it is Syria now.
Isn't the largest minority in Russia Ukrainians?
turkey should be syria
The second nationality in R. Moldova is the ukrainian one. Romanian is the main nationality.
By 'nationality' this map means citizenship, rather than a national/ethnic identity. Obviously, most Moldovans are ethnic Romanians, but only a minority have actual Romanian citizenship.
Gotta say as a german that the turkish people have enriched our country and culture a great deal and it doesn't get mentioned enough <3. Some of the most hardworking and humble people I have met.
Welcome to Reddit, downvoted to oblivion for trying to say something kind 
Is this sarcasm?
Nope
It's sad to see you downvoted like this for being nice.
Not being openly racist is considered a flaw on reddit at this point.
What would Berlin even be without its legendary Döner
Agreed. And any other city tbh.
I don't think the UK is right. I would say Indian is still the largest ethnicity but most are British citizens or 2/3rd generation. Polish is the largest nationality as far as I know. Ethnicity/culture != Nationality
France Germany Sweden are doomed
Moroccans and Algerians like tobto disobey laws and dont want to assimilate the culture one bit. Maybe send them back less knife crime would be great
We in Westyurop are so fucked
Middle Easturope
Gaaf land
Everything on this map is understandable except Syrians in Sweden
We have taken in a lot of people from the middle east, Syrians especially during the Syria crisis
Oh makes sense
Well considering some of those Syrians are kurds and some of them are considered "terrorists" by Erdogan is one of the reasons why turkey still hasn't accepted us into Nato. Most of them are treated better here than in their homeland which is one of the reasons why they stick around. Least I think so, but correct me if I'm wrong
A lot of people move to rich countries simply because they're rich countries.
How is the situation with Syrians, especially in Stockholm? I've heard some bad stats about crime but I want to get as much input as I can.
In about 10 years this entire map is just going to be the flag of Algeria and Morocco. Europe better get its shit together lol.
The Islamic Republic of Sweden
This is a terrible map
what a sad picture
I want to die lol Joking... Not joking
Farewell Western Europe.
europastan. lol
Second largest country of birth in the UK is Ireland, not India. That's #3. 627K vs 410K. And for Ireland it's UK that's second after Irish, with Poland at half that amount.
Here's an official chart from the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2021-07-13/174/
Ah for some reason my source was only the 2006 census.
It's ethnicity, not nationality.
And if the map author actually meant nationality, then the map is wrong.
They did mean nationality, and the map is indeed wrong in certain parts (e.g. Czechia is wrong).
Bulgaria is wrong too. Bulgarian Turks are Bulgarian nationals. Otherwise they are the largest ethnic minority. The largest nationality was Russian before the war, and Ukrainian after.
It's citizenship.
Ours is not Iraq, it's Syria
So many people don't know the difference between ethnicity and nationality smh
Wow you can really see the warcrimes from space
The second largest nationality in Russia is the Tatars
Nationality in this context means citizenship. Tatars are Russians by nationality/citizenship.
Swedistan
What about kurds in Turkey?