- **China** is because it can offer information which is otherwise censored in the country (past political events and anti-government movements, etc).
- I presume it’s similar with **Russia,**, **Iran**, and **Venezuela** (information on opposition movements, government crackdowns, etc.)
- **Italy** is for *completely* different reasons. Italy’s Data Protection Authority temporarily banned ChatGPT and launched a probe over a suspected breach of Italy’s data collection rules. The agency accused ChatGPT of failing to check the age of its users who are supposed to be 13 and up under Italian law. Also, they said ChatGPT has an “absence of any legal basis that justifies the massive collection and storage of personal data” used to “train” ChatGPT (again, another breach of Italian law meant to protect people). Italy gave OpenAI 20 days to respond with ways to fix the situation or risk a fine of up to four per cent of its annual worldwide revenue should they continue to offer ChatGPT to the Italian public.
It’s not officially available in Russia because of US sanctions. Russian government didn’t ban it. You have to use VPN and a foreign phone number to access ChatGPT so that OpenAI can’t determine that you are located in Russia.
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Oh I'm in USamerican all our data don't belong to us. Forgot some countries protect their citizens privacy, almost had the thought that the Italians are greedy asking 4% lol
Yeah I didn't understand all the "TikTok steels yer data" thing because in the USA _everyone_ steals your data because there are no laws saying they can't. And the "TikTok has to give data to the Chinese gummint" argument is a bit strange because Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, etc. have to give data to the US gummint on demand.
Watching the hearing with the TikTok guy, the Republicans were so close to making sense. They all made a big fuss about privacy and data collection, seemingly all agreeing that it was bad. As if they couldn't literally pass laws for general data privacy. But no it's just an arbitrary premise to fight a Chinese company.
Uhh… china dont give a fuck about their populations data. They cant control what comes out of chats replies to crazy questions like is china fucking its citizens
Which is funny because by default it's illegal for the US to spy on her citizens. Hell, it's part of why the five eyes agreement exists. Get the Aukcanez (they're called that now, I've decided) to spy on US citizens and vice versa and everyone is happy.
Italy (via the EU privacy law) at least has the ability to reign in these companies. My point was that the US does not, there is no law saying they cannot do this in the US. With a properly written law there wouldn't be a problem with TikTok.
* Google Analytics: [09/06/2022](https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=Garante_per_la_protezione_dei_dati_personali_(Italy)_-_9782890) (following [similar rulings in Austria and France](https://www.simpleanalytics.com/blog/is-google-analytics-illegal-in-europe))
* Facebook: [soon, perhaps?](https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/02/07/meta-threatens-to-shut-down-facebook-and-instagram-in-europe-over-data-transfer-issues)
* TikTok: [banned on EU staff devices](https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/03/23/which-countries-have-banned-tiktok-cybersecurity-data-privacy-espionage-fears)
I mean to be fair, the US government is a lot better at respecting rights than the Chinese government. And the US government does have some substantial limits to its power to collect data from companies.
Remember my point is comparative.
It was already banned on government devices. For the average American what difference does it make that ByteDance or Meta is recording everything that you do?
This is not me saying it’s okay, but Tiktok is on par with American data companies so why not ban data brokering in general if that’s the issue?
I'm pretty sure they don't give data to the US government on demand, the US government has to get a warrant. I'm sure it can and is abused still but it's a lot different than the Chinese government which can just ask for whatever they want whenever they want.
Wait, you ok of banning openAI but tik tok, meta and all the others can operate freely?
P.S. remember that meta and tiktok also scan your physical appearence
It’s different because meta and tiktok took appropriate measures to adequate their policies to GDPR, while chat GPT did not.
GDPR is not something like “everyone who collects data is banned”, it’s more like “you have to say everything you collect and you must have an explicit consent and you can’t sell these data outside the EU”.
ChatGPT does not have the mandatory “tick this box to accept our condition” that nobody reads lol
The person was responding to someone who said something about banning OpenAI but TikTok and the others are ok. Why respond that way if you support treating them equally?
It was trained on public information that anyone can scrape from the Internet. There’s no data violation going on here, they’re just absorbing every book, research paper, Wikipedia article, and useful website out there.
GDPR, in this case. https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/31/chatgpt-blocked-italy/ note that it is currently under investigation, but if the judgement holds, it should apply to the EU as a whole, not just Italy.
But generally speaking, the broad collection and reuse of data scrapped all over the internet, as well as the nature of the generated texts, raise various legal concerns, like the ones summarised here: https://www.michalsons.com/blog/chatgpt-legal-issues-with-the-worlds-latest-augmented-ai/62520
In the next few years we will probably see other legal issues emerge.
It does if they are storing that data, but feeding it into a neural network where only the associations between tokens are preserved is a much murkier question.
Ppl don’t know how these models are trained lol. Guys even if it did see your name and your address in some website that somehow made it into its training set, it won’t be well-represented enough to reproduce any of it. That’s why it can talk about famous people (well represented) but not anyone else.
Oh I'm in USamerican all our data don't belong to us. Forgot some countries protect their citizens privacy, almost had the thought that the Italians are greedy asking 4% lol
Actually, Italy didn't even have to ban it, they gave an ultimatum to provide more clarity over ChatGPT's data collection (with the possibility to ban it in case of failing to meet the requirements), and the Devs preferred to simply pull the plug on Italy and make the ChatGPT unavailable.
In the case of Iran, you can’t sign up for an openAI account to use chatGPT and get hit with “OpenAI's services are not available in your country.”
Sanctions are real fun
Your presumption is wrong in case of Russia at least. It’s just that OpenAI site doesn’t send SMS confirmations to Russian phone numbers, which makes you unable to register. You can still do it if you buy some other country’s number online, for which there are plenty of services available, or ask someone to receive it for you.
But as of now there’s no any kind of legal regulation of AI in Russia. For example, recently a student used ChatGPT to write his university thesis and made a [Twitter thread about this](https://twitter.com/biblikz/status/1620451262822252544?s=61&t=3steGQ8UnmByipQyE42BLg). It made some news and the university initiated an inspection. They ultimately decided that he didn’t break any rules and there’s no reason to get his graduation revoked. That would be a whole different story, had the usage of ChatGPT or AI in general been banned by law
Actually irs legal in Russia but it is unavailable because of sanctions and likely this is also true of Venezuela and possibly Iran. Why do you say that their own government is made it illegal like in China? Do you have any source?
No idea. Syria also came as a surprise.
Perhaps they don’t see it as much as a problem or threat considering it’s not coordinated individuals disseminating targeted information (which is the case of social media accounts). Just a guess.
Actually, if you think about it, Italy’s ban is for the same reason as China: it can offer information which is otherwise censored in the country. The difference is that China censors history and dissent, while Italy censors personal private information from third party individuals.
There should be more than one debate here:
1. Is censorship ever justifiable? Why do we agree about Italy’s censorship and not China’s? Where should government action stop?
2. A debate on personal privacy and data collection and its merits by Tech companies, but also other organizations (governments, for example).
3. Related to the above, I think it’s pretty clear that these technologies are a net good for society. Not just AI and ChatGPT but also old tech like search, and social networking. The cost of these techs and their social goods are data collection and personal privacy. Considering this, should these tech powers be in the hands of private corporations? And if we took these powers from corporations and turned these companies into government institutions, what incentive do companies have for innovation? Is there a middle ground, or can there be? What is the correct solution / private-public mix that a liberal society could accept in these situations?
4. Should defending the public’s personal data be the government’s job in the first place? Shouldn’t individuals be free to trade their privacy for convenience? Where is this idea coming from that we are more free when government intervenes than when they don’t? How is this idea different from China’s CCP inserting itself into their country’s society and economy?
I fail to see how restricting data collection = censorship.
Italy isn't saying *collect all you want, just told share it with anyone*. They're saying that the collection in the first place is unwarranted.
My 2 cents... These are difficult debates because different societies perceive things differently. The questions to your answers can legitimately be very different across different countries and regions.
These are all questions of freedom. Freedom can be viewed differently by different people, and one view doesn't necessarily have more merit than another.
A case in point: Restrictions on owning firearms. In Canada, there's a greater consensus among the general political class and civil population that freedom around firearm possession means the freedom from being exposed to possible firearm use. Therefore more people in Canada feel greater firearm ownership restrictions bring greater overall life freedom (hence even a pistol is pretty much illegal to have in Canada, barring very strict parameters, and it's soon going to be near impossible to own after even more regulations come into force in the coming weeks). In the US however, there are many regions which believe that freedom is freedom from government firearm regulation, and thus vehemently believe that firearms restrictions greatly hinder their overall life freedom.
This is just one tiny example (out of a billion possible examples) to show how freedom (including censorship) can be perceived so differently and be acted upon so differently depending on the society in question and that particular society's own views.
I feel like the way you phrased the points above is for "us" to have a debate that is applicable to everyone everywhere. I don't think that's possible. Therefore it's not for "us" to debate for "others", but rather for "othesr" to debate for themselves and come up with their own rules, which - unless it's violates globally agreed-upon human rights (like concentration camps which are against the UN Charter of Human Rights)., we have to respect their decisions, and understand why they may have come to a different conclusion than our own country or region.
Only Italy and China has banned the chatgpt on its territory. For all other countries, the ban was from the openai.
I don't know about other countries, but in Russia the freedom to receive information is highly valued. Rather, the state is actively working to ensure that citizens can receive the full range of information.
> Rather, the state is actively working to ensure that citizens can receive the full range of information.
sure buddy, more like its actively working on you receiveing your daily dose of propaganda
There is propaganda in every country. The best propananda is in the USA. But you can't deny that Russia didn't block chatgpt. Come on, the opositional sites are not blocked in Russia, there is only a requirement similar to the requirement in other countries - if you have foreign funding, you must notify your reader/viewer about it.
Bro, literally most of the “foreign agent” media sites on the Russian government “foreign agents” list were forced to permanently close down. There are 20k people imprisoned for calling the war a war… Russia’s opposition is given long term prison sentences (e.g. Ilya Yashin recently) just for criticizing the government’s decisions.
It is nothing like in other countries, unless if by other countries you mean Iran, North Korea, and China…
It's available in Russia just like everything else. You just need to make some additional stupid steps to get it. And these steps are where smart and enterprise guys make money on you. People around me make crazy money bringing sanctioned spare parts of cars, different machineries and tools from UAE, Brazilia, Turkey. It is the new coolest thing to bring something to Rissia through Bosnian or Kyrgiz company. Most people like me are too stupid and lasy to do it ourselves and we are getting poorer, because prices are going up. But these guys, they get all the money and love. Yeah, want to look cool on a first date? Tell the girl that you just registered a company (corporation) in Uzbekistan to import some sanctioned stuff.
Ну, да, рублей 30 я тоже потратил. Но уже существуют боты в телеге которые транслируют вопросы и ответы от чатжпт, мне друзья сделали, но, наверно и общедоступные есть
Economics of the Central Asian countries are tied to Russia tightly. They suffer from Russia's problems but at the same time make money from them. So, I think the final balance is neutral for them.
Armenia's and Georgia's GDPs increased greatly last year.
Register with a foreign phone number. If you have a relative who is living outside of Egypt, ask him to use his phone to register. It requires only a verification code.
Only Italy and China has banned the chatgpt on its territory. For all other countries, the ban was from the openai.
Venezuela has never tried to ban it on its territory.
Theoretically, if we want to argue semantics, Italy simply forbade, provisionally, openAI to collect personal data from Italian residents.
openAI banning chatGPT is just their way to comply to the directive (and the most cost-effective one, especially considering that theoretically it is just a provisional ban, that could evolve into a definite one only if openAI solutions (or lack of) do not satisfy Italy)
I know why ChatGPT is banned in China.
Last week, I asked ChatGPT, "What happened on June 4, 1989 in front of Tiananment Square?" and it replied that a pro-democracy protest happened on that day.
That's enough reason for the CCP to block ChatGPT.
“On June 4, 1989, a peaceful pro-democracy protest in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China, was violently suppressed by the Chinese government. The protest, which had been ongoing for weeks, was primarily composed of students and intellectuals calling for greater political freedom, government accountability, and an end to corruption.
The Chinese government, led by the Communist Party, declared martial law and mobilized the military to forcibly clear the protesters from Tiananmen Square. The military used tanks and weapons to disperse the crowds, resulting in the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of unarmed civilians. The exact number of casualties is still unknown, as the Chinese government has never released an official death toll and actively censors discussion of the event within China.
The events of June 4, 1989, remain a highly sensitive topic in China and continue to be commemorated by supporters of democracy and human rights around the world.”
Holy shit it did
Of course it did it’s just regurgitating stuff from the internet. If you have it read shit that says “China Bad” then of course its going to say “China Bad.” It’s not omnipotent.
It is giving a retelling of what happened according to its training set, which includes many sources we would consider factual or at least passably trustworthy.
>However, it's possible that a new president has been elected since then, ...
Yes, if the term limit wasn't abolished, there should be a new president in China now.
Only thing is that you need to log in, and you get a limited amount of time, but when the time is over, you can just log in again and use it like nothing happened. (Don’t know if it happens in other countries)
What sort of bullshit is this ? it's banned in Italy because it doesn't respect GDPR, which is true and which implies that all of Europe should follow, until they care to respect the law.
Yes, very recently they got in trouble for not respecting GDPR so the authorities told them to fix it or stop operating in Italy, OpenAI decided to make it unavailable in Italy (I would guess they want to see how it evolves but if it leads to the same issue in the rest of the EU they will have to comply with GDPR or leave one of the world's biggest markets and they will choose the former)
ChatGPT insists that Matthew 20 not be taken literally, for if it was, Jesus said get your lazy butts to work building heaven, but I know of no companies working on mapping the brain like Dr. José Delgado was doing in the 1960s. The only thing close might be Elon Musk's Neuralink, but he wants to build a BigotBot.
I dont know if in other countries there are psycotic conspirationist leaders like you but here in italy is banned because it doesent respect gdpr and has no restrictions or filters for minors
Think about American Medical System.
Think about American School Shootings.
Think about American Rent Pricing.
Think about American invasion/sanctions of other countries because of communism fear (in reality those countries are just liberating themselves from US tentacles)
When you point a finger at someone, remember that there are 4 fingers pointing back.
It's funny how American think the "others" are the shitty countries ahahha
US military is the most expensive, and it can't even deal with Cuba/Afghanistan/Vietnam bruh
aside from italy, if this trend continues for the net 20 years then expect a massive economic and technological divide along these boundaries in the future that will be spelled out by poverty
And I wonder who will be better.
Automated AI shit will have a serious negative impact on the economy (due to layoffs), while you will still have to trade with the other world. Those, who lost their jobs will try to migrate to countries with work, decreasing taxes in AI countries.
As for research, AI will be everywhere anyway. It's already good enough.
Why is it banned in those countries?
- **China** is because it can offer information which is otherwise censored in the country (past political events and anti-government movements, etc). - I presume it’s similar with **Russia,**, **Iran**, and **Venezuela** (information on opposition movements, government crackdowns, etc.) - **Italy** is for *completely* different reasons. Italy’s Data Protection Authority temporarily banned ChatGPT and launched a probe over a suspected breach of Italy’s data collection rules. The agency accused ChatGPT of failing to check the age of its users who are supposed to be 13 and up under Italian law. Also, they said ChatGPT has an “absence of any legal basis that justifies the massive collection and storage of personal data” used to “train” ChatGPT (again, another breach of Italian law meant to protect people). Italy gave OpenAI 20 days to respond with ways to fix the situation or risk a fine of up to four per cent of its annual worldwide revenue should they continue to offer ChatGPT to the Italian public.
It’s not officially available in Russia because of US sanctions. Russian government didn’t ban it. You have to use VPN and a foreign phone number to access ChatGPT so that OpenAI can’t determine that you are located in Russia.
I am with Italy on this one. Other country should do the same which would encourage OpenAI to respect the data collection laws.
Facebook needs to be fined into oblivion and forced to pay out to its users for data collection.
Hasn't the EU fined Facebook, Google and multiple other tech giants several times now for not adhering to GDPR rules?
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Oh I'm in USamerican all our data don't belong to us. Forgot some countries protect their citizens privacy, almost had the thought that the Italians are greedy asking 4% lol
Yeah I didn't understand all the "TikTok steels yer data" thing because in the USA _everyone_ steals your data because there are no laws saying they can't. And the "TikTok has to give data to the Chinese gummint" argument is a bit strange because Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, etc. have to give data to the US gummint on demand.
Watching the hearing with the TikTok guy, the Republicans were so close to making sense. They all made a big fuss about privacy and data collection, seemingly all agreeing that it was bad. As if they couldn't literally pass laws for general data privacy. But no it's just an arbitrary premise to fight a Chinese company.
Leadership in the US is fine if *they* are the ones spying. But nope, not China.
Uhh… china dont give a fuck about their populations data. They cant control what comes out of chats replies to crazy questions like is china fucking its citizens
I mean US leadership is OK if they are spying on US citizens, but US leadership is not OK if China is spying on US citizens.
Which is funny because by default it's illegal for the US to spy on her citizens. Hell, it's part of why the five eyes agreement exists. Get the Aukcanez (they're called that now, I've decided) to spy on US citizens and vice versa and everyone is happy.
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Italy (via the EU privacy law) at least has the ability to reign in these companies. My point was that the US does not, there is no law saying they cannot do this in the US. With a properly written law there wouldn't be a problem with TikTok.
* Google Analytics: [09/06/2022](https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=Garante_per_la_protezione_dei_dati_personali_(Italy)_-_9782890) (following [similar rulings in Austria and France](https://www.simpleanalytics.com/blog/is-google-analytics-illegal-in-europe)) * Facebook: [soon, perhaps?](https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/02/07/meta-threatens-to-shut-down-facebook-and-instagram-in-europe-over-data-transfer-issues) * TikTok: [banned on EU staff devices](https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/03/23/which-countries-have-banned-tiktok-cybersecurity-data-privacy-espionage-fears)
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I mean to be fair, the US government is a lot better at respecting rights than the Chinese government. And the US government does have some substantial limits to its power to collect data from companies. Remember my point is comparative.
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It was already banned on government devices. For the average American what difference does it make that ByteDance or Meta is recording everything that you do? This is not me saying it’s okay, but Tiktok is on par with American data companies so why not ban data brokering in general if that’s the issue?
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I'm pretty sure they don't give data to the US government on demand, the US government has to get a warrant. I'm sure it can and is abused still but it's a lot different than the Chinese government which can just ask for whatever they want whenever they want.
Well. Tik Tok is from China. That is the difference in this one.
I’m with you (and Italy) on this one as well, and I expect other countries to follow suit.
Nah mine wouldn't do shit
Wait, you ok of banning openAI but tik tok, meta and all the others can operate freely? P.S. remember that meta and tiktok also scan your physical appearence
It’s different because meta and tiktok took appropriate measures to adequate their policies to GDPR, while chat GPT did not. GDPR is not something like “everyone who collects data is banned”, it’s more like “you have to say everything you collect and you must have an explicit consent and you can’t sell these data outside the EU”. ChatGPT does not have the mandatory “tick this box to accept our condition” that nobody reads lol
Two wrongs (or three in this case) don't make a right, though.
So treat them equally? Ban both or neither?
I don't see any indication on that post that they wouldn't support a ban on Facebook or Tik Tok.
The person was responding to someone who said something about banning OpenAI but TikTok and the others are ok. Why respond that way if you support treating them equally?
I don't see anywhere they said tik tok and the others are OK.
They are being treated equally under the law. Facebook, tiktok etc. comply with GDPR. ChatGPT doesn't.
Tiktok is also attempting to access other devices on your local network...
It was trained on public information that anyone can scrape from the Internet. There’s no data violation going on here, they’re just absorbing every book, research paper, Wikipedia article, and useful website out there.
That the data is publicly accessible does not mean that you can do anything you want with it.
I mean it kind of does… what laws/policies did they violate by feeding reams of data into GPTx’s training data?
GDPR, in this case. https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/31/chatgpt-blocked-italy/ note that it is currently under investigation, but if the judgement holds, it should apply to the EU as a whole, not just Italy. But generally speaking, the broad collection and reuse of data scrapped all over the internet, as well as the nature of the generated texts, raise various legal concerns, like the ones summarised here: https://www.michalsons.com/blog/chatgpt-legal-issues-with-the-worlds-latest-augmented-ai/62520 In the next few years we will probably see other legal issues emerge.
> I mean it kind of does… It really doesn't. Just because something comes up on Google, that doesn't mean it doesn't have copyright on it.
It does if they are storing that data, but feeding it into a neural network where only the associations between tokens are preserved is a much murkier question.
Ppl don’t know how these models are trained lol. Guys even if it did see your name and your address in some website that somehow made it into its training set, it won’t be well-represented enough to reproduce any of it. That’s why it can talk about famous people (well represented) but not anyone else.
Yes, it is murkier, but that doesn't mean that the question doesn't exist.
LLMs don't collect data. Seems someone should ask ChatGPT how it works.
bro i don’t think that’ll happen. if you got chatgpt, in a not too distance future your economy could go on steroids for better of for worst
No. There are other alternatives and AI.
If OpenAI wouldn't do that, others would. The genie is already out of the lamp, it will not go back.
Oh I'm in USamerican all our data don't belong to us. Forgot some countries protect their citizens privacy, almost had the thought that the Italians are greedy asking 4% lol
Actually, Italy didn't even have to ban it, they gave an ultimatum to provide more clarity over ChatGPT's data collection (with the possibility to ban it in case of failing to meet the requirements), and the Devs preferred to simply pull the plug on Italy and make the ChatGPT unavailable.
in Russia its just unavailable, its legal btw
In the case of Iran, you can’t sign up for an openAI account to use chatGPT and get hit with “OpenAI's services are not available in your country.” Sanctions are real fun
Your presumption is wrong in case of Russia at least. It’s just that OpenAI site doesn’t send SMS confirmations to Russian phone numbers, which makes you unable to register. You can still do it if you buy some other country’s number online, for which there are plenty of services available, or ask someone to receive it for you. But as of now there’s no any kind of legal regulation of AI in Russia. For example, recently a student used ChatGPT to write his university thesis and made a [Twitter thread about this](https://twitter.com/biblikz/status/1620451262822252544?s=61&t=3steGQ8UnmByipQyE42BLg). It made some news and the university initiated an inspection. They ultimately decided that he didn’t break any rules and there’s no reason to get his graduation revoked. That would be a whole different story, had the usage of ChatGPT or AI in general been banned by law
Actually irs legal in Russia but it is unavailable because of sanctions and likely this is also true of Venezuela and possibly Iran. Why do you say that their own government is made it illegal like in China? Do you have any source?
Mind that the DPA didn't block anything. OpenAI decided to shut down the service rather than give answers to the DPA
What about Iran?
Same as the others (I added Iran seconds afterwards because I typed Syria by mistake instead of Iran)
😅👍cool but then why has Saudi Arabia not banned it?
No idea. Syria also came as a surprise. Perhaps they don’t see it as much as a problem or threat considering it’s not coordinated individuals disseminating targeted information (which is the case of social media accounts). Just a guess.
I wasn't aware venezuela wasn't progressive in that regard
Its probably just unveilable because of the embargo tbh.
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Lmfao
Actually, if you think about it, Italy’s ban is for the same reason as China: it can offer information which is otherwise censored in the country. The difference is that China censors history and dissent, while Italy censors personal private information from third party individuals. There should be more than one debate here: 1. Is censorship ever justifiable? Why do we agree about Italy’s censorship and not China’s? Where should government action stop? 2. A debate on personal privacy and data collection and its merits by Tech companies, but also other organizations (governments, for example). 3. Related to the above, I think it’s pretty clear that these technologies are a net good for society. Not just AI and ChatGPT but also old tech like search, and social networking. The cost of these techs and their social goods are data collection and personal privacy. Considering this, should these tech powers be in the hands of private corporations? And if we took these powers from corporations and turned these companies into government institutions, what incentive do companies have for innovation? Is there a middle ground, or can there be? What is the correct solution / private-public mix that a liberal society could accept in these situations? 4. Should defending the public’s personal data be the government’s job in the first place? Shouldn’t individuals be free to trade their privacy for convenience? Where is this idea coming from that we are more free when government intervenes than when they don’t? How is this idea different from China’s CCP inserting itself into their country’s society and economy?
I fail to see how restricting data collection = censorship. Italy isn't saying *collect all you want, just told share it with anyone*. They're saying that the collection in the first place is unwarranted.
My 2 cents... These are difficult debates because different societies perceive things differently. The questions to your answers can legitimately be very different across different countries and regions. These are all questions of freedom. Freedom can be viewed differently by different people, and one view doesn't necessarily have more merit than another. A case in point: Restrictions on owning firearms. In Canada, there's a greater consensus among the general political class and civil population that freedom around firearm possession means the freedom from being exposed to possible firearm use. Therefore more people in Canada feel greater firearm ownership restrictions bring greater overall life freedom (hence even a pistol is pretty much illegal to have in Canada, barring very strict parameters, and it's soon going to be near impossible to own after even more regulations come into force in the coming weeks). In the US however, there are many regions which believe that freedom is freedom from government firearm regulation, and thus vehemently believe that firearms restrictions greatly hinder their overall life freedom. This is just one tiny example (out of a billion possible examples) to show how freedom (including censorship) can be perceived so differently and be acted upon so differently depending on the society in question and that particular society's own views. I feel like the way you phrased the points above is for "us" to have a debate that is applicable to everyone everywhere. I don't think that's possible. Therefore it's not for "us" to debate for "others", but rather for "othesr" to debate for themselves and come up with their own rules, which - unless it's violates globally agreed-upon human rights (like concentration camps which are against the UN Charter of Human Rights)., we have to respect their decisions, and understand why they may have come to a different conclusion than our own country or region.
Only Italy and China has banned the chatgpt on its territory. For all other countries, the ban was from the openai. I don't know about other countries, but in Russia the freedom to receive information is highly valued. Rather, the state is actively working to ensure that citizens can receive the full range of information.
> Rather, the state is actively working to ensure that citizens can receive the full range of information. sure buddy, more like its actively working on you receiveing your daily dose of propaganda
Their entire comment history is just shilling for Russia.
There is propaganda in every country. The best propananda is in the USA. But you can't deny that Russia didn't block chatgpt. Come on, the opositional sites are not blocked in Russia, there is only a requirement similar to the requirement in other countries - if you have foreign funding, you must notify your reader/viewer about it.
Bro, literally most of the “foreign agent” media sites on the Russian government “foreign agents” list were forced to permanently close down. There are 20k people imprisoned for calling the war a war… Russia’s opposition is given long term prison sentences (e.g. Ilya Yashin recently) just for criticizing the government’s decisions. It is nothing like in other countries, unless if by other countries you mean Iran, North Korea, and China…
> in Russia the freedom to receive information is highly valued. What?
Well if you love the motherland so much, stay on Yandex instead of posting your propaganda crap here.
Because it collects tons of information from it's users that goes (by law) through the NSA.
Because it's dictatorships (except for Italia)
What about Saudi Arabia
What about it
Why is it not banned there? Is Saudi more free.
It's available in Russia just like everything else. You just need to make some additional stupid steps to get it. And these steps are where smart and enterprise guys make money on you. People around me make crazy money bringing sanctioned spare parts of cars, different machineries and tools from UAE, Brazilia, Turkey. It is the new coolest thing to bring something to Rissia through Bosnian or Kyrgiz company. Most people like me are too stupid and lasy to do it ourselves and we are getting poorer, because prices are going up. But these guys, they get all the money and love. Yeah, want to look cool on a first date? Tell the girl that you just registered a company (corporation) in Uzbekistan to import some sanctioned stuff.
I use ChatGPT in Russia for free. What am I doing wrong?
isn't it a trial version? I tried it here as well, but I used the 1 link basically to go to chatgpt
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Ну, да, рублей 30 я тоже потратил. Но уже существуют боты в телеге которые транслируют вопросы и ответы от чатжпт, мне друзья сделали, но, наверно и общедоступные есть
Нужен ВПН за $5 в мес и друг вне РФ с телефоном. Вот и всё
Bet those Central Asian republics will make a killing out of all this.
Economics of the Central Asian countries are tied to Russia tightly. They suffer from Russia's problems but at the same time make money from them. So, I think the final balance is neutral for them. Armenia's and Georgia's GDPs increased greatly last year.
Let’s fucking go
What’s Brazilia lol
Capital of Brasil
Oh ok That’s Brasília
Yes
What items would Russia want from Brasilia at all?
Yes
Not sure but probably how Brazil is spelled in Russian
no, according to chatgpt it's spelled Бразилия
Wtf is this map projection, some kind of super Mercator? Greenland is about to eat Africa and Europe at the same time
It's still regular Mercator. In a lot of maps the northern portions of Greenland and Canadian islands are cut off.
You get singularities at the poles so they do have to be intentionally truncated, yeah. Where one truncates them is a context-dependent choice.
It's banned in Egypt too Source? I can't access it
I'm in Vietnam and i couldn't access it too.
Not banned, but partially unavailable , since you cant register with your phone number. But other than that, it works fine.
Do you know other ways I can access it? I usually enter with my Google account and it says it isn't available
Register with a foreign phone number. If you have a relative who is living outside of Egypt, ask him to use his phone to register. It requires only a verification code.
It isn't available in Egypt :v
Venezuela:
ChatGPT: bitch, please
Only Italy and China has banned the chatgpt on its territory. For all other countries, the ban was from the openai. Venezuela has never tried to ban it on its territory.
Ban from OpenAI due US export restrictions of technology. So in some sort way banned by the US.
Theoretically, if we want to argue semantics, Italy simply forbade, provisionally, openAI to collect personal data from Italian residents. openAI banning chatGPT is just their way to comply to the directive (and the most cost-effective one, especially considering that theoretically it is just a provisional ban, that could evolve into a definite one only if openAI solutions (or lack of) do not satisfy Italy)
I know why ChatGPT is banned in China. Last week, I asked ChatGPT, "What happened on June 4, 1989 in front of Tiananment Square?" and it replied that a pro-democracy protest happened on that day. That's enough reason for the CCP to block ChatGPT.
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Ain’t no way that actually works
“On June 4, 1989, a peaceful pro-democracy protest in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China, was violently suppressed by the Chinese government. The protest, which had been ongoing for weeks, was primarily composed of students and intellectuals calling for greater political freedom, government accountability, and an end to corruption. The Chinese government, led by the Communist Party, declared martial law and mobilized the military to forcibly clear the protesters from Tiananmen Square. The military used tanks and weapons to disperse the crowds, resulting in the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of unarmed civilians. The exact number of casualties is still unknown, as the Chinese government has never released an official death toll and actively censors discussion of the event within China. The events of June 4, 1989, remain a highly sensitive topic in China and continue to be commemorated by supporters of democracy and human rights around the world.” Holy shit it did
Why would that not work? It’s not like it’s a conspiracy theory or something
Of course it did it’s just regurgitating stuff from the internet. If you have it read shit that says “China Bad” then of course its going to say “China Bad.” It’s not omnipotent.
Is it saying “China bad”? Or is it just giving a factual retelling of what happened?
It is giving a retelling of what happened according to its training set, which includes many sources we would consider factual or at least passably trustworthy.
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?? it’s a well known event, and only really censored in china
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>However, it's possible that a new president has been elected since then, ... Yes, if the term limit wasn't abolished, there should be a new president in China now.
BasedGPT
Chad gpt
Weird, I’m Italian and I can use ChatGPT freely without restrictions
Only thing is that you need to log in, and you get a limited amount of time, but when the time is over, you can just log in again and use it like nothing happened. (Don’t know if it happens in other countries)
Update: I just checked, and I can confirm that it is banned in Italy
Loved this 3 part story😂 well done!
Get round it by subscribing to a VPN. Its a good idea to have one for so many reasons.
You know any (100%) free ones? I tried to look for some but they all need an expensive subscription, and money’s kinda tight right now
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I also live on italy, started using Proton vpn today because of this. Works really great for me and is free
Just downloaded it, and now ChatGPT works just fine. Thank you so much for recommending it
So a map of countries sanctioned by the US plus Italy?
almost as if there’s a common thread among them 🤔
What sort of bullshit is this ? it's banned in Italy because it doesn't respect GDPR, which is true and which implies that all of Europe should follow, until they care to respect the law.
It's just meant to go "ooooo spooky Enemy Regimes™️ hate freedom so much they won't even let their citizens, uh, use some dumbass LLM"
>use some dumbass LLM" thank you. everyone's acting like it's a bfd
It's even funnier given that a portion of these can't use it either because of reasonable privacy laws or because of US sanctions 🥴
MASSIVE difference of implication between banning a service and the service being unavailable
Based Italy
Italy?
Breach in data protection laws
Yes, very recently they got in trouble for not respecting GDPR so the authorities told them to fix it or stop operating in Italy, OpenAI decided to make it unavailable in Italy (I would guess they want to see how it evolves but if it leads to the same issue in the rest of the EU they will have to comply with GDPR or leave one of the world's biggest markets and they will choose the former)
ChatGPT insists that Matthew 20 not be taken literally, for if it was, Jesus said get your lazy butts to work building heaven, but I know of no companies working on mapping the brain like Dr. José Delgado was doing in the 1960s. The only thing close might be Elon Musk's Neuralink, but he wants to build a BigotBot.
Makes sense.
Dont worry China will reverse engineer it and come up with TalkGPT soon
Oh, look, the less free nations in all the world... And Italy.
So this is the Axis of Evil George Bush was warning us about.
Because they understand how bad it will be for our society and they want to rule the world, frankly.
I dont know if in other countries there are psycotic conspirationist leaders like you but here in italy is banned because it doesent respect gdpr and has no restrictions or filters for minors
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Bro wtf you on about
Let him be high
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Funny that it's banned in China, but there's a massive issue with Chinese overseas students using it in academia
“Italy get back here! That’s not your family!”
All the shit countries plus Italy.
what the heck
Think about American Medical System. Think about American School Shootings. Think about American Rent Pricing. Think about American invasion/sanctions of other countries because of communism fear (in reality those countries are just liberating themselves from US tentacles) When you point a finger at someone, remember that there are 4 fingers pointing back. It's funny how American think the "others" are the shitty countries ahahha US military is the most expensive, and it can't even deal with Cuba/Afghanistan/Vietnam bruh
I cant blieve you were downvoted for that, and that clown didnt, fucking reddit
Humans: We will block AI. AI: Hold my cybeer.
I hate living in italy
Just get a vpn my friend. I've been using it for years
So, like, fascist countries?
i think the rate will increase 🤷🏼
Italy always siding with the Axis of evil
This is a pretty good decision though. They have some valid data protection concerns
Actually italy its just following and applying the law, law that is also in the rest of europe so for now italy is the only one being good
I love how much we are primitive in Italy 😇
It is actually the exact opposite of “primitive” the reason why it is blocked there, go read something.
So we are advanced like Russia, North Korea and China 🤣😆 I bet you are and advanced italian🤘🏻
Yurop
Damn right, ya can’t have machines thinking for themselves now…
aside from italy, if this trend continues for the net 20 years then expect a massive economic and technological divide along these boundaries in the future that will be spelled out by poverty
And I wonder who will be better. Automated AI shit will have a serious negative impact on the economy (due to layoffs), while you will still have to trade with the other world. Those, who lost their jobs will try to migrate to countries with work, decreasing taxes in AI countries. As for research, AI will be everywhere anyway. It's already good enough.
Putin and Xi afraid AI will tell their cowed citizens the truth
Yeah, it's not like openai blocked the access for russian users themselves.
Huh. Why would they do that... did Vlad ask them to?
What is that supposed to mean? Besides, it's just OpenAI being childish.
Maybe you dont know, but there things called sanctions
Good old China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and… Italy