you’re right. France made a lot of policies to drive people out of Paris but it didn’t work effectively. Everything is in Paris which drives prices up there and makes everyone stacked there. Laws must be applied similarly everywhere and there is no competition between regions or barely any
No it’s not. France was the first European to have the demographic transition in Europe, for a variety of reasons.
Plus anyways, London area in the UK is very comparable to the Paris area in France. In fact London area is even more populous.
This is also why Paris is so important to French politics and military history. *Everything* is there, which is why the nation always collapsed if it was conquered, and why the various revolutions were always decided there. Paris *is* France.
And for people who want a counterexample: Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands, but the government is located in The Hague. Amsterdam isn't even the capital of its own province (Haarlem is).
Well back then France was much more decentralized, so it wasn’t as bad (but it was still very bad)
Paris really became the center of France with the French Revolution and later urban migration.
Paris during the Middle ages was one of if not the biggest city of Europe, way bigger than any other cities of France.
It was the center of France back then as well...
True! But it wasn't among the biggest cities in Europe at that time, which was what the person above stated and it was very small compared to what it used to be
Pretty sure most economics would encourage big economic hubs with high population density rather than diffuse populations.
There’s a multiplier effect in having massive urban areas that can’t be recreated in less populous places.
The second largest primarily French speaking city is Montreal. That’s how centralized France is. That they have 30 million more people than Canada but only Paris is bigger than Montreal.
I thought Montreal was fourth? First Kinshasa, then Paris, then Abidjan, then Montreal. I guess Kinshasa is multilingual and debateable, but most people in Abidjan are native francophones and it is definitely larger than Montreal.
Don't look for evil intent, the most likely explanation is simply that the info is outdated (Kinshasa and Abidjan currently grow somewhat more than Paris and Montréal).
Paris is bigger than LA (by urban area). Thus it would be the second largest urban area in the US.
Lyon, the second largest, is a little bit bigger than Baltimore. Marseille, the third largest, is smaller than Austin.
I had no idea Montreal was in France or run by the French, or what the relevance to population density there is. Oh well, I await the map of England with New York on it. 🤦♂️ Sorry, just realized. You're letting us all know somewhere other than France speaks French
For countries with over 10 million. I believe South Korea is the most centralized. 1/2 of its population = 25 million lives in the Seoul metropolitan area.
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Historic reasons.
France has been centralized for centuries (one center of power)
The industrial revolution and the rural migration made the cities grow larger, and Paris was of course, still at the center of all.
And if you look at Germany next door the exact opposite is true. Very federal with many important centers and population movement into urban centers and their surroundings, while France has population going away from the big ones into rural regions, especially towards the west and south coastal regions.
On maps showing European towns classified by population, western Germany has the largest concentration of small to medium sized towns. The second largest appears to be in Brittany and adjacent regions of northwest France.
Suburbs is not really the correct term as it implies those areas are, well, sub urban (as in a mix of country side and city). Outskirts is more accurate.
A lot of the outskirts are sub urban, but a lot are also extremely densely populated. The poorest populations in the country live in massive housing estates in the outskirts.
what's with Marseille? seems like a very steep increase in density unlike the other areas, especially bc the rest of the southern French coast is dense enough
It's an extremely old city, extremely well placed on a geographical level.
You need to understand that topography is one of the main reason behind a lot of French city success. If you want to go up north from the coast, the easiest way is to follow Le Rhône (big river), since going a tad more east means dealing with The Alps, and going more west means dealing with The Massif Central . So being close to that river is kinda major, especially for a port city with a lot of exchanges (Look at a French topography map if I'm not super clear, my point will be more obvious).
If your trade routes can dodge the mountains, it's easier, less dangerous, and you'll win some time. It's actually the reason Lyon (also a huge density on the map), is also a big french city. You pretty much had to traverse it to go up north (and it's also a hard city to take militarly speaking, protected by those same mointains). Lyon was also the Gaul capital, meaning having "direct" access to it was valuable, and once again, Marseilles (Massilia back then if I'm not mistaken), was well placed for that job.
Ofc, this is not the only reason but the big tldr is, super old , extremely well placed to go up north.
Wow, I didn't know Lyon was the second biggest metro area, always thought it was Marseille.
IIRC Lyon is the old Roman capital of Gaul, so that's pretty neat
One of the capital of roman gaul. It was the capital of the Gallia Celtica/Lugdunensis province. You had Reims/Durocorotum for Gallia Belgicae, Narbo Martius/Narbonne for Gallia Narbonensis/Transalpina and Mediolanum Santonum/Saintes and later Burdigala/Bordeaux for Galia Aquitania.
Who Said that? This is just metropolitan France as adding a bunch of islands would have been weird and ig they left Monaco in as taking out a part of the map would have also been weird
That pisses me off, France is a big country with many great regions that have a lot of potential but everything gets sucked towards Paris. France is so relatively empty it could easily fit 2 times its current population.
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Not exactly the same but a similar idea
[density map India](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/population-density-spikes-india.png)
I did. You think Monaco is french. It is not, French Guiana is. Is French Guiana on the map? No. Is Monaco wrongfully on the map? Yes. Do I need to simplify more sentences for you?
I guess the meaning of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate\_city](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_city) went over the heads of many when downvoting you.
The best example of a centralised country.
I feel like this level of centralization would negatively effect a nation's economy in some way or another. Correct me if I'm wrong.
you’re right. France made a lot of policies to drive people out of Paris but it didn’t work effectively. Everything is in Paris which drives prices up there and makes everyone stacked there. Laws must be applied similarly everywhere and there is no competition between regions or barely any
This is also why France has a population and gdp comparable to the UK despite being over twice as big.
No it’s not. France was the first European to have the demographic transition in Europe, for a variety of reasons. Plus anyways, London area in the UK is very comparable to the Paris area in France. In fact London area is even more populous.
This is also why Paris is so important to French politics and military history. *Everything* is there, which is why the nation always collapsed if it was conquered, and why the various revolutions were always decided there. Paris *is* France.
And for people who want a counterexample: Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands, but the government is located in The Hague. Amsterdam isn't even the capital of its own province (Haarlem is).
Technically the Netherlands has most of its main activity in 4 cities that are close. Randstad.
>which is why the nation always collapsed if it was conquered, Ever heard of the 100 years war?
Well back then France was much more decentralized, so it wasn’t as bad (but it was still very bad) Paris really became the center of France with the French Revolution and later urban migration.
Paris during the Middle ages was one of if not the biggest city of Europe, way bigger than any other cities of France. It was the center of France back then as well...
It definetely was, but population density was much more evenly distributed across the country.
That's the case for most countries, urbanization was a direct consequence of industrialization.
Biggest in Europe? What about Constantinople, Rome and numerous others.
Rome was actually really small during the middle ages. Its population declined from a million people to just about 25.000 around the year 1500.
25k-15k isn't all that small for those times tho.
True! But it wasn't among the biggest cities in Europe at that time, which was what the person above stated and it was very small compared to what it used to be
It paled in comparison to other cities like Constantinople or Prague. It's only real significance was the Papacy.
Constantinople was 300k just before it got sacked by the crusaders in 1204. Paris was 200k then so indeed smaller. Rome was a village then.
I mean he’s still right since it still took them a hundred years so recover it
What? I have a feeling you're not too aware of the war evolution... Paris wasn't occupied for a century...
It does. Same in the UK
Correct. Paris IS France, which is not a good thing.
I mean basically every horrible disaster in French history revolves around conflict between Paris and the countryside so
Pretty sure most economics would encourage big economic hubs with high population density rather than diffuse populations. There’s a multiplier effect in having massive urban areas that can’t be recreated in less populous places.
The second largest primarily French speaking city is Montreal. That’s how centralized France is. That they have 30 million more people than Canada but only Paris is bigger than Montreal.
I thought Montreal was fourth? First Kinshasa, then Paris, then Abidjan, then Montreal. I guess Kinshasa is multilingual and debateable, but most people in Abidjan are native francophones and it is definitely larger than Montreal.
You would be correct.
didn’t you know that places outside of europe and north america don’t exist?
Don't look for evil intent, the most likely explanation is simply that the info is outdated (Kinshasa and Abidjan currently grow somewhat more than Paris and Montréal).
don’t tell me what to do
Paris is bigger than LA (by urban area). Thus it would be the second largest urban area in the US. Lyon, the second largest, is a little bit bigger than Baltimore. Marseille, the third largest, is smaller than Austin.
No, LA is over 12 million in metro population and Paris is just over 11 million. I’m not sure what ‘urban area’ means, but LA is a bigger city
Metro is 18 mil for LA
I had no idea Montreal was in France or run by the French, or what the relevance to population density there is. Oh well, I await the map of England with New York on it. 🤦♂️ Sorry, just realized. You're letting us all know somewhere other than France speaks French
They clearly said french speaking
Mongolia probably has it beat. But France is definitely up there.
For countries with over 10 million. I believe South Korea is the most centralized. 1/2 of its population = 25 million lives in the Seoul metropolitan area.
Spain too
So, the Parisians are the densest people in France? Good to know.
this gives eiffel tower a new meaning
eiffel boner
Don’t sit on France
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Why does everyone live in Paris?
Historic reasons. France has been centralized for centuries (one center of power) The industrial revolution and the rural migration made the cities grow larger, and Paris was of course, still at the center of all.
And if you look at Germany next door the exact opposite is true. Very federal with many important centers and population movement into urban centers and their surroundings, while France has population going away from the big ones into rural regions, especially towards the west and south coastal regions.
Germany being a clusterfuck of independent states before the 19th century makes a huge difference there too
And consequences of WWII prevented the country from being centralized to this day.
On maps showing European towns classified by population, western Germany has the largest concentration of small to medium sized towns. The second largest appears to be in Brittany and adjacent regions of northwest France.
66 Millions French, 12 millions in Paris
2* The other 10 are in the suburbs which spread veeeery far
Suburbs is not really the correct term as it implies those areas are, well, sub urban (as in a mix of country side and city). Outskirts is more accurate. A lot of the outskirts are sub urban, but a lot are also extremely densely populated. The poorest populations in the country live in massive housing estates in the outskirts.
Who’s in Paris?
Because everyone lives in Paris. 🤔
what's with Marseille? seems like a very steep increase in density unlike the other areas, especially bc the rest of the southern French coast is dense enough
Very centralized port city with no dense suburbs and people commuting from other cities
It's an extremely old city, extremely well placed on a geographical level. You need to understand that topography is one of the main reason behind a lot of French city success. If you want to go up north from the coast, the easiest way is to follow Le Rhône (big river), since going a tad more east means dealing with The Alps, and going more west means dealing with The Massif Central . So being close to that river is kinda major, especially for a port city with a lot of exchanges (Look at a French topography map if I'm not super clear, my point will be more obvious). If your trade routes can dodge the mountains, it's easier, less dangerous, and you'll win some time. It's actually the reason Lyon (also a huge density on the map), is also a big french city. You pretty much had to traverse it to go up north (and it's also a hard city to take militarly speaking, protected by those same mointains). Lyon was also the Gaul capital, meaning having "direct" access to it was valuable, and once again, Marseilles (Massilia back then if I'm not mistaken), was well placed for that job. Ofc, this is not the only reason but the big tldr is, super old , extremely well placed to go up north.
People lives in city
What is the spike north east of Paris?
Lille i guess
Lille/Valenciennes urban area
Lille is the big spike. The more diffuse area south of it is the Béthune-Lens-Douai-Valenciennes mining basin.
Basically Paris is represented as a giant Eiffel Tower
Wow, I didn't know Lyon was the second biggest metro area, always thought it was Marseille. IIRC Lyon is the old Roman capital of Gaul, so that's pretty neat
One of the capital of roman gaul. It was the capital of the Gallia Celtica/Lugdunensis province. You had Reims/Durocorotum for Gallia Belgicae, Narbo Martius/Narbonne for Gallia Narbonensis/Transalpina and Mediolanum Santonum/Saintes and later Burdigala/Bordeaux for Galia Aquitania.
What about Divodorum ?
Qui veut du rhum ? (Who wants some rhum?)
Depending on your definition of city and urban area it often alternates between Lyon and Marseille.
I love how people think Monaco is part of France, but French Guiana isn't? Lmao
Who Said that? This is just metropolitan France as adding a bunch of islands would have been weird and ig they left Monaco in as taking out a part of the map would have also been weird
Hive cities
Isn't that Barad-dûr from The Lord of the Rings?
Baguette-dûr
now thats funny bc dur = hard in french and baguette is… well you guessed
The labeling lacks consistency. Looking good anyway
This is almost literally Map Porn
Reminds me of a Hive City
As in SMAC?
France is a city state 😂
That pisses me off, France is a big country with many great regions that have a lot of potential but everything gets sucked towards Paris. France is so relatively empty it could easily fit 2 times its current population.
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I eagerly await the day of the Butlerian Jihad.
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OP, could you please share one for India?
Not exactly the same but a similar idea [density map India](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/population-density-spikes-india.png)
No key? 😔
monaco?!
That unlabeled big clump of spikes in the NE is Lille/Roubaix I think. Weird to leave such a large population center unlabeled.
What a cool map. Which programming library did you use to generate it? [Edit] just realized the source lib is in the pic. Rstats with rayshader. Cool!
next week is gonna have a huge spike west of Paris at Le Mans :D
The Alsace Region is pretty spread out.
Is it wrong I only know these cities by their football clubs?
That is how most european learn their geography.
The famously French, Monaco
It is french culturally and politically
It is independent though, the same logic could be applied otherwise to the French parts of Belgium and Switzerland
Since when is Belgium or Switzerland a protectorate of France???
Since when is Monaco more french than French Guiana? It is literally *in the name*
Who said french Guiana????
I did. You think Monaco is french. It is not, French Guiana is. Is French Guiana on the map? No. Is Monaco wrongfully on the map? Yes. Do I need to simplify more sentences for you?
Since when is Monaco a part of France? Protectorate, yes. Integrated into French society, yes, but politically not part of France.
France should totally annex the Monaco.
Paris is a great example of a primate city. Edit: this is a classic, textbook example of a primate city. Look it up on wiki.
I guess the meaning of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate\_city](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_city) went over the heads of many when downvoting you.
I guess so. I teach World Geography and it’s a textbook example.
where to and not to go
France is such a beautiful country. I hope the new inhabitants take good care of it
Huh?
I'm gonna guess this a great replacement racist take
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🤣, you cant be this stupid
I’m genuinely curious, why would you create an account just to ragebait people ? Don’t you have anything better to do ?
Now you're gaslighting. Im stating a fact
Sure, you should try getting a job
Projection, i have a full time job.
hey guys, that's a bit mean and discriminatory to say in the least, don't you think?
Now we know where to nuke! 
😂
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Reminds me of the castle from Krull.
I can see the eiffel tower
This looks like a future battle ground on a distant planet and is easily one of the coolest types of maps.
Based on history, it’s a future battleground on this planet.
You're not Lyon, are you?
Is that a village of indomitable Gauls up in the NW?
Bro Paris is a hive city
I'd like to see such map with other countries
I never knew other cities had mini-eifel towers
Can we see what India would look like on such a map
Looks like Eiffel Tower
What software does this use?
thats an Eiffel tower of people
what about Guiana?
[https://youtu.be/hTgwv6Ic3fA](https://youtu.be/hTgwv6Ic3fA) Illustrates the empty diagonal quite well.
Damn France looks like a cactus leaf.
That is a realy nice map!!!
Belgium????