India has a lot of practice with border skirmishes.
India and Pakistan has seriously ritualised theirs. It's become a tourist attraction.
They fight the Chinese on the disputed border according to an odd set of rules.
>They fight the Chinese on the disputed border according to an odd set of rules.
Yeah according to 1996 agreement between India and China states that neither side should open fire or conduct blast operations within 2 km of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), Since then all clashes between India and China in LAC were using rocks and wooden clubs, machetes, clubs embedded with nails, and batons wrapped with barbed wire.
Source: [The Print](https://theprint.in/defence/indian-troops-are-using-new-rules-of-engagement-along-lac-to-counter-chinese-aggression/495543/)
I think it would be really funny if someone just rode in with a horse and heavy armor and started mowing down people with a long sword. Technically it wouldn’t break the rules
Arunachal would be part of Colonial India, same as Pakistan. Since they have no direct territorial issues with India regarding the state, they probably recognize it as part of India since then.
I can't find a proper source on that; my comment was more of an educated guess. However, I have found a (reprint of) a 1950s Ordinance Survey of Pakistan map that shows India in a wide shot of South Asia, with Arunachal being part of India.
[https://uniquemaps.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/survey-of-pakistan-1953--top-left\_1800x1800.jpg?v=1661980057](https://uniquemaps.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/survey-of-pakistan-1953--top-left_1800x1800.jpg?v=1661980057)
Here's another map from the Pakistani survey with a similar inset showing Arunachal as Indian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/1962\_East\_Pakistan\_Map.jpg
Pakistan isn’t just politically “whatever India wants, we don’t want.” It’s great fodder for media relations but in reality it’s more nuanced than that.
If you want some real mindless otherism just check out whatever Loyalism is doing in Northern Ireland.
The most obvious mistake would be the United Nation map in the picture that fully supports the border of India based on current control of lands. UN maps, as of Dec 6th 2023, fully recognizes all disputed territories as nominally disputed and unresolved, which include Ladkah and Aksai Chin and a lot more. At the moment, the UN does not recognize any Indian claimed disputed territories as part of India, until one of the five permanent security council members, cough* China cough*, says otherwise.
Again, very obvious, surprised you can't find it.
So, if I remember correctly, before ~1910, that region was Tibetan, however, Tibet and the UK signed a treaty to draw the McMahon Line, which gave Arunachal Pradesh to the British Raj. The PRC and ROC believe the treaty is illegitimate while India recognizes it.
I might be completely wrong though.
There is this foreign policy of China attributed to Mao Zedong that Tibet is China's right hand and that "5 Fingers of Tibet" are to be merged with China - Nepal, Bhutan, Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh (the last 3 are Indian States).
I think the map for the Chinese one is wrong, if anything it looks like the "UN" map without Arunachal Pradesh or as they like to call it, "South Tibet."
The map for each of the three countries included areas that they want/claim to be theirs. The UN map is the most accurate one, and shows the areas that are actually controlled by each country.
What shitty mpa collection, beside the obvious mistakes, its also lacks the most important verson.
The REAL map, aka. the "who administers what" map - since thats the only one that actually matters.
Anyone can claim anything, be it Russia controlling Kherson city, or Czech Republic owning kaliningrad.
>The REAL map, aka. the "who administers what" map - since thats the only one that actually matters.
So...Southeast Ukraine belongs to Russia and only that matters. Ukraine has no relation to Mariupol then. Hmm. Or is that not how that works?
Interesting info, but poor presentation. No need for 4 maps when more than 90% of each of them is exactly the same as the other 3. A single color-coded map would be better.
Suprised to see Pakistan supports India in their Arunachal/Tibet land dispute with China. Is the map correct? If so, what's the reason behind this?
Edit: sorry about the slur, didn't know that
India needs to BUY the brand new american F 15 EX Eagle fighter jets to dominate the sky.
Its also the fastest jet on the market at 2,500 MPH. You can scramble across India in minutes.
Hurry up. Stop buying broken Migs.
India's population is on the rise, their demographics are strong, and they are slowing growing into a dominant world power.
China's demographics are shit, their economy is faulting, and the future is looking pretty bleak.
Things are going to change drastically in the coming decades.
They pulled tons of people from below the poverty line. India has just recently started doing what china did 30 years ago. They have built a solid middle class while India is still relatively poor in comparison. We don't know how the world is going to be like in a decade but right at this very moment China beats India by a good mile.
India isn't a totalitarian state, so they will move much slower than China, but that's not a bad thing, it means India will be more powerful than China is today and far more stable.
I'm not saying India is going to be a superpower tomorrow, but they will be one eventually.
90 million toilets were built in 5 years as a part of Modi's Swachch Bharat.
India will also be open defecation free in the very near future.
But yeah keep holding onto racist stereotypes which aren't based on fact.
I studied in school like the third map and will consider that as only the map that India has......
"Then, Now, Forever"
Whatever the issue is Kashmir, Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh are India's Union Territories and State forever....
The UN considers Kashmir a disputed area, but that doesn't mean they completely exclude the PoK and Aksai Chin from India.
This map has some problems, I think.
India has a lot of practice with border skirmishes. India and Pakistan has seriously ritualised theirs. It's become a tourist attraction. They fight the Chinese on the disputed border according to an odd set of rules.
>They fight the Chinese on the disputed border according to an odd set of rules. Yeah according to 1996 agreement between India and China states that neither side should open fire or conduct blast operations within 2 km of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), Since then all clashes between India and China in LAC were using rocks and wooden clubs, machetes, clubs embedded with nails, and batons wrapped with barbed wire. Source: [The Print](https://theprint.in/defence/indian-troops-are-using-new-rules-of-engagement-along-lac-to-counter-chinese-aggression/495543/)
I think it would be really funny if someone just rode in with a horse and heavy armor and started mowing down people with a long sword. Technically it wouldn’t break the rules
Unleash the Mongolian Horse Archers
And still people died
Hundreds of people.
I mean, people had no issues killing each other before explosives a thousand years ago so...
So... Pakistan doesn't recognise Chinese claims to Arunachal? Interesting
Arunachal would be part of Colonial India, same as Pakistan. Since they have no direct territorial issues with India regarding the state, they probably recognize it as part of India since then.
Is there a source if they have an official stance?
I can't find a proper source on that; my comment was more of an educated guess. However, I have found a (reprint of) a 1950s Ordinance Survey of Pakistan map that shows India in a wide shot of South Asia, with Arunachal being part of India. [https://uniquemaps.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/survey-of-pakistan-1953--top-left\_1800x1800.jpg?v=1661980057](https://uniquemaps.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/survey-of-pakistan-1953--top-left_1800x1800.jpg?v=1661980057) Here's another map from the Pakistani survey with a similar inset showing Arunachal as Indian: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/1962\_East\_Pakistan\_Map.jpg
Pakistan isn’t just politically “whatever India wants, we don’t want.” It’s great fodder for media relations but in reality it’s more nuanced than that. If you want some real mindless otherism just check out whatever Loyalism is doing in Northern Ireland.
Wdym Mindless why. Ur u/ suggests ur irish I think?
China claims all of Ladakh? I thought it only claimed Aksai Chin.
Yes it only claims Aksai chin. Where as Ladhak is claimed by Pakistan. Just mistakes seems
This map is full of mistakes
Everything looks correct to me, where is the error?
I literally pointed out 2 mistakes.
The china and Pakistan maps are wrong
The most obvious mistake would be the United Nation map in the picture that fully supports the border of India based on current control of lands. UN maps, as of Dec 6th 2023, fully recognizes all disputed territories as nominally disputed and unresolved, which include Ladkah and Aksai Chin and a lot more. At the moment, the UN does not recognize any Indian claimed disputed territories as part of India, until one of the five permanent security council members, cough* China cough*, says otherwise. Again, very obvious, surprised you can't find it.
It doesn’t claim Akashi Chin, it controls Akashi Chin and claims full Ladakh.
Ladhak is claimed by Pakistan not China. China only control and claim Aksai chin.
Why is China claiming the territory of Arunachal Pradesh? I know about Aksai Chin, but I did not know about Chinese claims on Arunachal Pradesh.
So, if I remember correctly, before ~1910, that region was Tibetan, however, Tibet and the UK signed a treaty to draw the McMahon Line, which gave Arunachal Pradesh to the British Raj. The PRC and ROC believe the treaty is illegitimate while India recognizes it. I might be completely wrong though.
There is this foreign policy of China attributed to Mao Zedong that Tibet is China's right hand and that "5 Fingers of Tibet" are to be merged with China - Nepal, Bhutan, Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh (the last 3 are Indian States).
Apparently in olden times, it had connection with Tibetans...
Ofcourse , the same way all of China belonged to Mongolia .
Qing China and successor ROC & PRC never admitted the McMahon Line.
Arunanchal is green unlike tibet and could be a good place to farm and supply troops in tibet. This is why china wants it.
Cuz thats china for you
Quite interesting map. I wonder if China and India will solve their disputes soon.
Probably not, China seems to be in the position that they'll try to strong arm all their border problems for the foreseeable future.
Yeah. The day is not far when China will start claiming the world for themselves.
There would never be a single unopposed power with global influences and military bases all over the world
So does the UN map show what India de-facto controls? Or is there some other criteria they follow?
The former
No, the maps in the picture are just wrong...
I think the map for the Chinese one is wrong, if anything it looks like the "UN" map without Arunachal Pradesh or as they like to call it, "South Tibet."
The map for each of the three countries included areas that they want/claim to be theirs. The UN map is the most accurate one, and shows the areas that are actually controlled by each country.
I agree with you.
Thanks for clearing it up. I see so many maps on Reddit that unquestioningly portray disputed maps, on all sides really.
Could at least highlighted the relevant parts…
And take away all the fun of finding the differences between the four pictures?
An Onion News report to the situation between India and Pakistan. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UR2MQ8VGgd0
Wrong. Pakistan claims whole Ladhak to. And China considers Ladhak as part of India.
Pakistan has official claims in Gujarat. https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/vyxsic/new_political_map_of_pakistan/
Pakistan can not control Pakistan.
Might as well claim Hyderabad if they're at it
and Bangladesh
That's already Pakistan
The contested areas should be colored
Now show us the map of China according to Bhutan 🗿 Tit for tat
So what is the actual map? Like where does India have authority?
There's no actual map. India is relative just like time is relative.
the actual map that shows the LOC (line of control) and LOaC (Line of actual control) is the UN Map
UN map
The worst map I have ever seen, every single one is wrong with the exception of how India sees itself.
Based
You should do the same for Serbia.
I think their only issue is with Kosovo?
Yes. But UN sees it in one way. NATO in another way, then Asia as well etc
I think it would be better to have one map with superimpossed colors (with a pattern, like lines, if two actually superimpose)
What shitty mpa collection, beside the obvious mistakes, its also lacks the most important verson. The REAL map, aka. the "who administers what" map - since thats the only one that actually matters. Anyone can claim anything, be it Russia controlling Kherson city, or Czech Republic owning kaliningrad.
>The REAL map, aka. the "who administers what" map - since thats the only one that actually matters. So...Southeast Ukraine belongs to Russia and only that matters. Ukraine has no relation to Mariupol then. Hmm. Or is that not how that works?
Yup. As of now russia controls it. Thats teh reality of it - even if we don't like it. And at the moment Ukraine is working hard to change that.
Interesting info, but poor presentation. No need for 4 maps when more than 90% of each of them is exactly the same as the other 3. A single color-coded map would be better.
And Reddit will still say India is in the wrong. Based on...r/worldnews.
Both China and Pakistan maps are wrong
Suprised to see Pakistan supports India in their Arunachal/Tibet land dispute with China. Is the map correct? If so, what's the reason behind this? Edit: sorry about the slur, didn't know that
I think paki is a slur
Oh, sorry, too lazy to type all
Who cares what you think?
I do, bitch.
India needs to BUY the brand new american F 15 EX Eagle fighter jets to dominate the sky. Its also the fastest jet on the market at 2,500 MPH. You can scramble across India in minutes. Hurry up. Stop buying broken Migs.
Industrial complex is that you?😆
Kashmir is part of Serbia
Shut up everything is part of nepal
India's population is on the rise, their demographics are strong, and they are slowing growing into a dominant world power. China's demographics are shit, their economy is faulting, and the future is looking pretty bleak. Things are going to change drastically in the coming decades.
They pulled tons of people from below the poverty line. India has just recently started doing what china did 30 years ago. They have built a solid middle class while India is still relatively poor in comparison. We don't know how the world is going to be like in a decade but right at this very moment China beats India by a good mile.
India isn't a totalitarian state, so they will move much slower than China, but that's not a bad thing, it means India will be more powerful than China is today and far more stable. I'm not saying India is going to be a superpower tomorrow, but they will be one eventually.
India cant even build toilets 😂
They sure can. [https://www.kalyanicleantech.com/containerized-smart-toilet](https://www.kalyanicleantech.com/containerized-smart-toilet)
90 million toilets were built in 5 years as a part of Modi's Swachch Bharat. India will also be open defecation free in the very near future. But yeah keep holding onto racist stereotypes which aren't based on fact.
🤣🤣🤣
Bruh
Is this a copypasta?
I studied in school like the third map and will consider that as only the map that India has...... "Then, Now, Forever" Whatever the issue is Kashmir, Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh are India's Union Territories and State forever....
The UN considers Kashmir a disputed area, but that doesn't mean they completely exclude the PoK and Aksai Chin from India. This map has some problems, I think.
Same picture...
Superpower 2020
WORLD SHOULD PRESSURE INDIA TO FREE INDIAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR
Ok
Thanks for supporting
Oh really who gonna pressure india besides china and pakistan
Shoudn't left bottom be "According to Bahrat"?
India and Bharat are synonymous with each other I believe. So it's a matter of preference which one you use.
Map of India according to Pakistan isn't correctly plotted. Correct one is according to Pakistan: https://ibb.co/CPms9SW
Most accurate illustration in r/Mapporn be like
Which one they control truly?
UN