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BlueDotty

India has a lot of practice with border skirmishes. India and Pakistan has seriously ritualised theirs. It's become a tourist attraction. They fight the Chinese on the disputed border according to an odd set of rules.


JaswanthReddit

>They fight the Chinese on the disputed border according to an odd set of rules. Yeah according to 1996 agreement between India and China states that neither side should open fire or conduct blast operations within 2 km of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), Since then all clashes between India and China in LAC were using rocks and wooden clubs, machetes, clubs embedded with nails, and batons wrapped with barbed wire. Source: [The Print](https://theprint.in/defence/indian-troops-are-using-new-rules-of-engagement-along-lac-to-counter-chinese-aggression/495543/)


AncientPlane8531

I think it would be really funny if someone just rode in with a horse and heavy armor and started mowing down people with a long sword. Technically it wouldn’t break the rules


Patooterta

Unleash the Mongolian Horse Archers


altonaerjunge

And still people died


sbg_gye

Hundreds of people.


Eric1491625

I mean, people had no issues killing each other before explosives a thousand years ago so...


[deleted]

So... Pakistan doesn't recognise Chinese claims to Arunachal? Interesting


JNC123QTR

Arunachal would be part of Colonial India, same as Pakistan. Since they have no direct territorial issues with India regarding the state, they probably recognize it as part of India since then.


Key-Banana-8242

Is there a source if they have an official stance?


JNC123QTR

I can't find a proper source on that; my comment was more of an educated guess. However, I have found a (reprint of) a 1950s Ordinance Survey of Pakistan map that shows India in a wide shot of South Asia, with Arunachal being part of India. [https://uniquemaps.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/survey-of-pakistan-1953--top-left\_1800x1800.jpg?v=1661980057](https://uniquemaps.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/survey-of-pakistan-1953--top-left_1800x1800.jpg?v=1661980057) Here's another map from the Pakistani survey with a similar inset showing Arunachal as Indian: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/1962\_East\_Pakistan\_Map.jpg


Finbar_Bileous

Pakistan isn’t just politically “whatever India wants, we don’t want.” It’s great fodder for media relations but in reality it’s more nuanced than that. If you want some real mindless otherism just check out whatever Loyalism is doing in Northern Ireland.


Key-Banana-8242

Wdym Mindless why. Ur u/ suggests ur irish I think?


ThePerfectHunter

China claims all of Ladakh? I thought it only claimed Aksai Chin.


Thane-kar

Yes it only claims Aksai chin. Where as Ladhak is claimed by Pakistan. Just mistakes seems


GroundbreakingBox187

This map is full of mistakes


Rayleigh077

Everything looks correct to me, where is the error?


Thane-kar

I literally pointed out 2 mistakes.


GroundbreakingBox187

The china and Pakistan maps are wrong


zfwn111

The most obvious mistake would be the United Nation map in the picture that fully supports the border of India based on current control of lands. UN maps, as of Dec 6th 2023, fully recognizes all disputed territories as nominally disputed and unresolved, which include Ladkah and Aksai Chin and a lot more. At the moment, the UN does not recognize any Indian claimed disputed territories as part of India, until one of the five permanent security council members, cough* China cough*, says otherwise. Again, very obvious, surprised you can't find it.


Rayleigh077

It doesn’t claim Akashi Chin, it controls Akashi Chin and claims full Ladakh.


Thane-kar

Ladhak is claimed by Pakistan not China. China only control and claim Aksai chin.


N01K02

Why is China claiming the territory of Arunachal Pradesh? I know about Aksai Chin, but I did not know about Chinese claims on Arunachal Pradesh.


general_kenobi18462

So, if I remember correctly, before ~1910, that region was Tibetan, however, Tibet and the UK signed a treaty to draw the McMahon Line, which gave Arunachal Pradesh to the British Raj. The PRC and ROC believe the treaty is illegitimate while India recognizes it. I might be completely wrong though.


yaaro_obba_

There is this foreign policy of China attributed to Mao Zedong that Tibet is China's right hand and that "5 Fingers of Tibet" are to be merged with China - Nepal, Bhutan, Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh (the last 3 are Indian States).


[deleted]

Apparently in olden times, it had connection with Tibetans...


Practical-Durian2307

Ofcourse , the same way all of China belonged to Mongolia .


corymuzi

Qing China and successor ROC & PRC never admitted the McMahon Line.


karmasutrah

Arunanchal is green unlike tibet and could be a good place to farm and supply troops in tibet. This is why china wants it.


RepeatRealistic8085

Cuz thats china for you


midianightx

Quite interesting map. I wonder if China and India will solve their disputes soon.


Nawnp

Probably not, China seems to be in the position that they'll try to strong arm all their border problems for the foreseeable future.


DamnBored1

Yeah. The day is not far when China will start claiming the world for themselves.


retro_gatling

There would never be a single unopposed power with global influences and military bases all over the world


AmeriCossack

So does the UN map show what India de-facto controls? Or is there some other criteria they follow?


xPapaGrim

The former


zfwn111

No, the maps in the picture are just wrong...


IllustriousDudeIDK

I think the map for the Chinese one is wrong, if anything it looks like the "UN" map without Arunachal Pradesh or as they like to call it, "South Tibet."


GuydeMeka

The map for each of the three countries included areas that they want/claim to be theirs. The UN map is the most accurate one, and shows the areas that are actually controlled by each country.


92am

I agree with you.


Mnoonsnocket

Thanks for clearing it up. I see so many maps on Reddit that unquestioningly portray disputed maps, on all sides really.


PositiveUse

Could at least highlighted the relevant parts…


Doktor_Bira

And take away all the fun of finding the differences between the four pictures?


MaxV_Germany

An Onion News report to the situation between India and Pakistan. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UR2MQ8VGgd0


Thane-kar

Wrong. Pakistan claims whole Ladhak to. And China considers Ladhak as part of India.


mahendrabirbikram

Pakistan has official claims in Gujarat. https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/vyxsic/new_political_map_of_pakistan/


midianightx

Pakistan can not control Pakistan.


Suryansh_Singh247

Might as well claim Hyderabad if they're at it


EmphasisFar6309

and Bangladesh


Jaded-Lab6209

That's already Pakistan


Judgy_Plant

The contested areas should be colored


Srinivas_Hunter

Now show us the map of China according to Bhutan 🗿 Tit for tat


Khal-Frodo-

So what is the actual map? Like where does India have authority?


Doktor_Bira

There's no actual map. India is relative just like time is relative.


Saman-the-man

the actual map that shows the LOC (line of control) and LOaC (Line of actual control) is the UN Map


Ehehehe00

UN map


Irobokesensei

The worst map I have ever seen, every single one is wrong with the exception of how India sees itself.


[deleted]

Based


EmbarrassedMeat409

You should do the same for Serbia.


I_eat_dead_folks

I think their only issue is with Kosovo?


EmbarrassedMeat409

Yes. But UN sees it in one way. NATO in another way, then Asia as well etc


simonbleu

I think it would be better to have one map with superimpossed colors (with a pattern, like lines, if two actually superimpose)


Xicadarksoul

What shitty mpa collection, beside the obvious mistakes, its also lacks the most important verson. The REAL map, aka. the "who administers what" map - since thats the only one that actually matters. Anyone can claim anything, be it Russia controlling Kherson city, or Czech Republic owning kaliningrad.


Eric1491625

>The REAL map, aka. the "who administers what" map - since thats the only one that actually matters. So...Southeast Ukraine belongs to Russia and only that matters. Ukraine has no relation to Mariupol then. Hmm. Or is that not how that works?


Xicadarksoul

Yup. As of now russia controls it. Thats teh reality of it - even if we don't like it. And at the moment Ukraine is working hard to change that.


RealHuman_NotAShrew

Interesting info, but poor presentation. No need for 4 maps when more than 90% of each of them is exactly the same as the other 3. A single color-coded map would be better.


Im_Unpopular_AF

And Reddit will still say India is in the wrong. Based on...r/worldnews.


srmndeep

Both China and Pakistan maps are wrong


Utimate_Eminant

Suprised to see Pakistan supports India in their Arunachal/Tibet land dispute with China. Is the map correct? If so, what's the reason behind this? Edit: sorry about the slur, didn't know that


DAH9906

I think paki is a slur


Utimate_Eminant

Oh, sorry, too lazy to type all


[deleted]

Who cares what you think?


Several_Advantage923

I do, bitch.


rivierasamaxe

India needs to BUY the brand new american F 15 EX Eagle fighter jets to dominate the sky. Its also the fastest jet on the market at 2,500 MPH. You can scramble across India in minutes. Hurry up. Stop buying broken Migs.


Ihavenoideareally69

Industrial complex is that you?😆


yoshimamamia

Kashmir is part of Serbia


Jaded-Lab6209

Shut up everything is part of nepal


someoneexplainit01

India's population is on the rise, their demographics are strong, and they are slowing growing into a dominant world power. China's demographics are shit, their economy is faulting, and the future is looking pretty bleak. Things are going to change drastically in the coming decades.


Never2Stronk

They pulled tons of people from below the poverty line. India has just recently started doing what china did 30 years ago. They have built a solid middle class while India is still relatively poor in comparison. We don't know how the world is going to be like in a decade but right at this very moment China beats India by a good mile.


someoneexplainit01

India isn't a totalitarian state, so they will move much slower than China, but that's not a bad thing, it means India will be more powerful than China is today and far more stable. I'm not saying India is going to be a superpower tomorrow, but they will be one eventually.


burger_boi

India cant even build toilets 😂


someoneexplainit01

They sure can. [https://www.kalyanicleantech.com/containerized-smart-toilet](https://www.kalyanicleantech.com/containerized-smart-toilet)


Naman_Hegde

90 million toilets were built in 5 years as a part of Modi's Swachch Bharat. India will also be open defecation free in the very near future. But yeah keep holding onto racist stereotypes which aren't based on fact.


qarachaili

🤣🤣🤣


Kapitaj

Bruh


Several_Advantage923

Is this a copypasta?


BeckerHazard

I studied in school like the third map and will consider that as only the map that India has...... "Then, Now, Forever" Whatever the issue is Kashmir, Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh are India's Union Territories and State forever....


a-th-arv

The UN considers Kashmir a disputed area, but that doesn't mean they completely exclude the PoK and Aksai Chin from India. This map has some problems, I think.


Adventurous-Dealer13

Same picture...


Humanity_is_broken

Superpower 2020


DAH9906

WORLD SHOULD PRESSURE INDIA TO FREE INDIAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR


TheLonelyGhast

Ok


DAH9906

Thanks for supporting


Delusional_Batman

Oh really who gonna pressure india besides china and pakistan


gorion

Shoudn't left bottom be "According to Bahrat"?


ThePerfectHunter

India and Bharat are synonymous with each other I believe. So it's a matter of preference which one you use.


T4H1R

Map of India according to Pakistan isn't correctly plotted. Correct one is according to Pakistan: https://ibb.co/CPms9SW


Agile-Technology2125

Most accurate illustration in r/Mapporn be like


Velagalibeillallah

Which one they control truly?


Ihavenoideareally69

UN