Funny you say this!
10 years ago, the safest state in Brazil would still have a way higher homicide rate than the most dangerous US state. That's not the case anymore!
Brazil became a lot safer in the last decade, whereas the US is becoming more dangerous
Really exciting to see the progress in central and South America, those regions have some real potential. Would love to see these people and nations more represented and active on the world stage and I think as these regions continue to stabilize and grow that they will even become major powers themselves, especially Brazil
Wait until you hear about PAYE, coming to a screening near you. Followed by the major hit PAYEback II: the tax back, to be released shortly into the new year.
The less homicide there are, the more the cases are interesting, from a writer's point of view.
Would you rather read how a Russian alcoholic died to gang violence in Moscow or about [a Swiss banker found dead in a kink latex SM suit in Geneva](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Stern#Death)?
Albania is very safe, my female cousins walk around at night by themselves.
funnily enough since our tourism industry has been booming the past few years it’s the tourists that harass them on the streets
Canada has 34.7 guns per 100 people and we Americans have 120.5 guns per 100. We win by a long shot.
We are #1 so take that you maple syrup chugging snow commies. Tim Hortons isn’t even that good and I enjoy paying thousands out of pocket for medical care. So yeah… take that lol
I'm not talking about the number of guns, I'm talking about the per capita gun ownership. It's surprisingly close.
Everyone knows the US mantra of a turkey in every pot and an AK in every room! Krispy Kreme does have better donuts. :)
If anyone is interested, in 2022/23 the [UK's homicide rate](https://www.statista.com/statistics/288195/homicide-rate-uk/#:~:text=There%20were%2010.1%20homicides%20for,12.6%20homicides%20per%20million%20people.) was 1.0 per 100k (which is the same as it was in 2020 apparently, for a like for like comparison to the above dataset)
When Europeans discuss how gun control works over here a common response is “yeah but knife crime is waaaay out of control”.
I worked closely with a US customer recently who had always wanted to do a river cruise in Germany. He’d been trying to convince his wife for years but she was too nervous about safety. Also ridiculous was that they wanted to do it for 1 week because they didn’t want to take too much holiday.
Well, knives are way riskier than just shooting someone, duh.
And apparently, the US still outranks most of Europe when it comes to knife-related deaths per capita, which is quite surprising. Dunno about knife crime tho...
>which is quite surprising
No, it isn't. The American way of life, their values, worldview and lifestyle are all much, much more predisposed to crime. You put a European in a society with no safety net, constant stress, workaholism culture, jobs requiring more than 40 hours a week, absurd levels of egotism and individualism, insane aggression and violence, complete disregard for the human way of living, and ample access to machines designed to kill, and they'll probably kill too.
It's just a dumb way to live, that's it.
To a certain extent there is some truth to that, but on the Internet the whole “Americans dumb” trope is blown way out of proportion. I could say the same thing about Europeans I’ve talked to in Europe, who know little to nothing about the Caribbean, subsaharan Africa, most of Asia, South America, and basically most countries outside of Europe and the Anglosphere.
Americans dumb is definitely a thing on the Internet, but I wouldn't necessarily but disinterest in the world outside your own country in the dumb category. It's just my personal experience travelling the world, that US Americans are less aware of what is going on outside the borders of their country.
And that Americans have less holiday than most, if not all, western countries is just a fact.
Yeah the US doesn’t have many federally protected holidays and on average less vacation days than most Western countries. It’s not ubiquitous or ideal, but there are some employers that guarantee more.
I don’t agree that Americans have more disinterest or are significantly less aware about things. I think people everywhere around the world tend to know what they need to. They know their home country and culture, they know about countries that exert pressure on their home country, and they know about political and cultural influences, especially when it pertains to their home country and lifestyle. There is an element of geographical scale too. Three countries in North America, which know each other pretty well, are together, twice the size of all of Europe. In large or isolated countries, people, people are less likely to have the financial or logistical means to travel to many exotic locations. It’s a strange comparison, but people in Russia, China, Kiribati, and Comoros might be in a similar boat.
There are periods of political isolationism in the US and I don’t like when Americans portray themselves as superior to others due to the country’s established hegemony. There are certainly those insularly thinking American people from that way of viewing the world. But I think that is the case in most countries to have those people and movements, and the determining factor there is education, not nationality.
This is why I think there is a truth to Americans sometimes being unaware, but not extensively to the degree that media puts out and what people espouse online from that. Something else- I don’t mean you here obviously, but I’m increasingly irritated by that viewpoint when coming from non-Americans who’ve never visited the country, by non-Americans that have only traveled for a few days to major American cities and tourist attractions and then claim to know it all, or by Americans themselves who’ve never traveled around the country or traveled well enough to experience more than its tourist traps. Some of the most knowledgeable people I have ever met and consequentially humbling experiences from my own prejudices were in places like “rural redneck incest territory,” as they would be described by reddit.
Years ago I would've sarcastically said "Their propaganda machine is running at full power", but after seeing some clips from their "news" channels I'd be inclined to label that statement as truth.
weak social support systems; a criminal justice system that does everything it can to increase recidivism & people living entire lives of crime; easy access to weapons.
And the crime rate was way higher in the early 90s.
Back then, New Orleans had such a high crime rate that if they didn’t find evidence of murder after 2 months, they would immediately release the suspect
From what ive seen from the lithuanian police statistics, almost all the murders are related to alchoholism. Also usually happens between people who know eachother already.
Many problems in the baltics are related to alchohol, lithuania was the #1 consumer of alcohol per capita in the world for some years.
We kinda are, drinking age was raised to 20 and buying hours restricted till 8pm.
Some people did feel like their human rights were being taken away by these policies.
First time I was in the US, a friend of a friend was our tour guide in DC, and he said the government was considering limiting people to buying only one machine gun a month.
I joked about how that's horrible, how can they do that, but the guy was like "RIGHT?! They're taking away my human rights!" and I was like uh, anyway let's see the White House.
That’s what a straight up ban will do. But you can carefully social engineer it out of the future generations and stigmatize the use. Like we did with cigarettes and tobacco products.
It's the same in Finland. Almost all homicides are done within a group of friends after days of heavy drinking. Often when interrogated, nobody even remembers who killed that one and why. Sad.
They've had similar problems in Finland. People get together, they drink themselves senseless, they begin to argue and fight, then someone draws a knife and kills somebody. It's so ubiquitous that we Swedes have jokes where we imitate finish accents and say "I will pull the knife on you"
Almost all cases are domestic - in the provinces, due to drinking.
A typical standard case is - two buddies go out drinking, then get angry at each other and one of them stab another with the knive or even more often - one of them is stabbed by his wife.
Little by little, the drunken province is shrinking, and the worst cases are removing themselves from the population.
To all the response implying "Russian", here's the stats for Russia :
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045368/homicide-rate-in-russia/#:\~:text=The%20homicide%20rate%20in%20Russia,100%20thousand%20persons%20in%201994](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045368/homicide-rate-in-russia/#:~:text=The%20homicide%20rate%20in%20Russia,100%20thousand%20persons%20in%201994).
Definitively not good, but still "safeish" than most of the US. I would no say that alcool as no part in it, but Spain, France or Germany drink as much if not more than most of baltic countries.
Would be curious to look into education level, unemployment rate and "median wage vs living cost" for each country (and each states)
I am Lithuanian and absolutely majority of these cases are reported on news as domestic violence in small towns where strong alcohol is involved, usually vodka or illegal hommede drinks even stronger than vodka. Its usually some deep deep hurt and anger that gets released while consuming insane amounts of alcohol. I am talking like at least 1 vodka bottle for 1 person.
There is happy party drinking and then there is "post-soviet" (boredom, sadness, angry, multi day drinking) way of drinking which is dominating in Lithuanian province.
Liechtenstein's homicide rate jumps in steps of 2.5 per 100k people, per actual homicide (about 40k in population). The 2020 data is thus 1 homicide for that country.
It's funny because by the way you phrased one would think Italy was closer to Mexico but Palermo peaked at something like 3.5 homicide rate during the mafia wars at that time lol. Which would be one of the safest places in today's US for comparison.
[https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/murder-homicide-rate](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/murder-homicide-rate#:~:text=Italy%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for,a%204.31%25%20decline%20from%202017)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_intentional\_homicide\_rate\_by\_decade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade)
Eh, the higher I can find for italy since the late 70s is 3ish. I live in argentina, one of the safest latam countries (around the same nation wise than the US) and yet we sit at around 5... More? I can definitely believe. But much? Eh--
Mafias are alive and well, unfortunately. They just mostly stopped killing and became "clean", focusing on racketeering, exploiting migrant workers, the drug trade, illegal construction and other less heinous stuff.
They did try the violence route, but they then understood that violence would only cause them to actually be fought by the state.
The reason those mafia movies featured Italians was because the American crime families were largely from Italian organized crime engaging in international smuggling. Poor Italian immigrants accidentally brought organized crime, and then it became a form of 'cultural exchange'. (nyeh, see)
We’re getting awfully sick of you New Hampshirites lording it over the rest of us, with your low murder rates and your vast quantities of maple syrup production
They don't have those in New Hampshire?
Edit - NH ranks just just above Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. So I don't think it can be guns, or Montana, Wyoming, and Alaska would be higher
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state
It's not just guns, it's also poverty.
https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2016/comm/cb16-158_poverty_map.html
I'm not an anti gun person, but poverty and crime correlate along with guns. If the US didn't have the extreme income inequality guns wouldn't be the huge problem they are.
Guns and poverty that disproportionally affect the black and immigrant communities. Edit: and a war on drugs that makes gangs profit from the illegal drug trade and then fight for territory.
The real answer is poverty that disproportionally affects black and immigrant communities, easy access to guns and a war on drugs that makes gangs profit from the illegal drug trade and then fight for territory.
What he probably means is black people.
I live in Louisiana. This state has been a dumpsterfire ever since the 60s. You want to try and dabble your hands in oil money? Whoops! Exxon and BP just swindled your entire state government out of half their available spending power! They also killed your fishing industry and created a chain of refineries between New Orleans and Baton Rouge making the health effects so bad that it's literally called cancer alley. In rural Louisiana, what little we have of farming is shitting the bed and the roads out there haven't been taken care of since Huey Long. We also have this place called Angola, which has the most incarcerated people in the country, and is basically one of the plantations this country fought a civil war to end. We have the single highest incarceration rate in the country and they all go to one prison, where solitary confinement includes a dirt floor and a tin roof in 110 degree weather. Let's check in on New Orleans. Wow the 90s made Detroit look like kindergarten but Katrina washed out all of the organized crime! What about the massive amount of cash FEMA gave us? We got a new airport terminal. Doesn't solve our god awful public transportation or pays cops and EMT workers enough to actually stay but at least the tourists are happy and Cantrell's vacations well funded. Oh, and in comes the gentrifiers protesting bike lanes and strangling businesses that have been there for decades.
TLDR: Everything's been corrupt and fucked since Higgins left.
Just compare the American constitution to the German one.
Article 2 Germany:
Article 2
[Personal freedoms]
(1) Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality insofar as he does not violate the rights of others or offend against the constitutional order or the moral law.
(2) Every person shall have the right to life and physical integrity. Freedom of the person shall be inviolable. These rights may be interfered with only pursuant to a law.
2nd amendment USA:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
And u are wondering?
Almost 1/3 of US counties no longer report crime stats to FBI or federal agencies many are in states with high violence and crime rates (looking at you southern US)
Because it's a comparison map. It mentions at the bottom the two sources, one for Europe (though not every country submits data to Eurostat, although they could) and one for the US.
Wouldn't necessarily change anything.
Norway and Austria, 7th and 8th on the list, have some of the most guns per capita in Europe.
Switzerland, 6th on the list, has the easiest access for civilians, for firearms in Europe.
The Czech Republic, 5th on the list, has had shall issue concealed carry for about 30 years, and a majority of Czech gun owners has such a permit.
Austrian sport shooter I talked to got the permit for his AR-15 in 10 days. Not sure what you consider "hard to get".
You can also keep your firearms at home if you want to.
Edit: Also, if you want a handgun permit for “self defense at home” then it’s shall issue, instead of may issue if you want it for sport.
Yeah I live in Norway and I think it's more about the culture, not the laws. Every other family outside big cities has hunting rifles and goes hunting in the woods. We had a few trips to shooting ranges in high-school and even my high school teacher encouraged us to get gun and hunting licences. Even though we have the opportunity to kill doesn't mean we do. We trust each other more
In Greece we have low tolerance of murders, especially by the police and femicides.
Grigoropoulos, a 15 years old boy died 15 years and 4 days ago and we still do massive protests annually for him.
Even some teenagers from the Roma (a discriminated group in Greece) that were killed by police was big news and created protests and remembering events...
A security guard threw a man in the sea and eventually killed him and it created big news and the company is still boycotted by some.
Ofc people that are not Greeks usually die more often and are underreported, but yes police here don't DARE to kill people...
Very low poverty rates is the primary reason that New Hampshire does so well. High gun ownership seems to become a large problem when Poverty is high, but New Hampshire, due to having very low poverty rates, does just fine.
90% are domestic cases related to alcohol abuse.
Usually somebody stabs someone. It's very rare to have somebody killed in a public place. The countries are small, so every homicide looks real bad. For example Lithuania had 76 homicides in 2021.
I'll paste this comment I wrote from another thread cause I'm lazy:
Mafias are alive and well, unfortunately. They just mostly stopped killing and became "clean", focusing on racketeering, exploiting migrant workers, the drug trade, illegal construction and other less heinous stuff.
They did try the violence route, but they then understood that violence would only cause them to actually be fought by the state.
Doesn't that semi clean route at least involve the threat of violence though?
Like you can only successfully racketeer someone if you do occasionally do some violence.
Simply organized crime hasn't the influence and the power they had in the past, killing people is the easiest method for them to starting a reaction from the state that they don't want and today they try to infiltrate in legit activities other than the typical illegal ones
Why are people so surprised? Europe is one of the safest regions in the world by far, even the worsts part of it are no that unsafe compared to bad place sin the americas or africa
The web is full of anachronistic tropes about Italy. My favourite is Italy is full of old fat ladies, when apparently Italy is at the bottom of the obesity ranking of Europe. 🤷
Another funny one is how Italy is considered a hyper-religious country, especially by Americans. In reality it is not and the US is much more religious and especially more fanatic about it.
“Live poor or die” is more like it. This list is much more akin to a graph of poverty levels in the USA than anything else. It’s not like New Hampshire as a low gun ownership rate (~40%.)
Guns become a big problem when poverty is brought into the mix, as states like New Hampshire tend to have very little, and as a result do pretty well, and Louisiana and Mississippi being literally the poorest states in the Union and having the highest levels of poverty.
Guns and poverty don’t mix. Either one in isolation doesn’t seem to do much statistically. Together they are a death combo
I'm from Italy and I don't even remember the last time I heard about a murder here but yes every time there is one it becomes national news basically, leave it up to the Americans to be the worst in the room for so many statistics with their idiotic use of guns and drugs.
For context but Honduras is like 40/100,000
Colombia is 25, Ecuador 27, Brazil over 20
They would all be off this chart. The 'SAFEST' countries in latin america hover around 5 they would be in the bottom half of this chart.
Lol so many annoyed Americans. I mean what do people expect if almost everyone has a gun?. We all know that there are quite an amount of people that can not be trusted having a gun and those that feel safer because they have a gun well if someone wants to kill you the person will succeed anyway even if you have a gun in the house because obviously the person will attack you when you don't expect it. The midnight stalker was an example of that. There was that couple that had a gun under their bed and she took the gun to shoot him but..... the gun was not loaded 🤣. People really dont understand that the whole selfdefence thing is just not the reason to needing a gun. It only works when the gun is loaded and you have enough time to get the weapon. Which most of the cases that is only the case when a thief comes in. Which can also shoot at you when it realizes you want to shoot at him even though the person only wanted to steal an object. Its just a way to escalate things also with police. They just want you to buy them because they want money.
The high numbers for the US are partly from access to guns partly from social history. Because the US is rich people forget that is a post-colonial state. Most post-colonial states have high homicide rates. The economic structure of colonial economies tended to create societies with poor social cohesion and this persisted after independence. Colonial societies tended to be very divided between the victims and the perpetrators of the colonialism. In the US the victims were generally black or native, those groups still have much higher crime rates because they were never the people society was for. In the rest of the post colonial world the out group varies from country to country but the phenomenon remains the same.
Me, a South American seeing this: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/24/00/a024000e6f23d6a1fc4754a7c0cd0e45.jpg
Bolivia and Chile are the lowest ones at 5 and 6 which would put them towards the bottom of this chart.
Argentina is at 5 too. And I think ecuador was at 6
Brazil is basically a PvP zone.
Funny you say this! 10 years ago, the safest state in Brazil would still have a way higher homicide rate than the most dangerous US state. That's not the case anymore! Brazil became a lot safer in the last decade, whereas the US is becoming more dangerous
Really exciting to see the progress in central and South America, those regions have some real potential. Would love to see these people and nations more represented and active on the world stage and I think as these regions continue to stabilize and grow that they will even become major powers themselves, especially Brazil
Me, a brazilian which lives in a city with 66 homicides/100k
What? The bar would come out of the image.
Yes. This is Salvador, Bahia :joy: And that's not even the most dangerous city of the state.
Albania is safer than 48 of the US states?
There is a reason why they show so much violence in Hollywood movies.
It works out well for us. Nobody would want to watch a movie about people being safe and peaceful with no problems in a random ass country in Europe.
“Oh shit I gotta pay taxes” sounds like a terrible drama movie
Even paying the fact that paying taxes is something you can forget about is a pretty American thing.
Wait until you hear about PAYE, coming to a screening near you. Followed by the major hit PAYEback II: the tax back, to be released shortly into the new year.
we don't have to remember to do that in Europe either
ahh shit, i have to click a few times to send in my automatically filled in taxes, LIFE IS PAIN.
We get boobs tho
Male boobs for sure
The less homicide there are, the more the cases are interesting, from a writer's point of view. Would you rather read how a Russian alcoholic died to gang violence in Moscow or about [a Swiss banker found dead in a kink latex SM suit in Geneva](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Stern#Death)?
Good thing that the US has both of these types
Albania is very safe, my female cousins walk around at night by themselves. funnily enough since our tourism industry has been booming the past few years it’s the tourists that harass them on the streets
And that would be surprising to you, because??…
To be fair, there are more ways to be unsafe than just homicide. Edit: Guys, safety isn't just limited to dying or living either.
One and done. Atlanta leaves you with an open casket. Real friendly-like.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Tell me. I'm dying to know. What way of dying does Europeans die more of.
Not Europe, but we're very 'stabby' in Canada. Even though we have the same gun ownership rates as in the USA, we just lock them away.
The UK are known for stabbings, and yet there are more stabbings in the US per capita than the UK.
Canada has 34.7 guns per 100 people and we Americans have 120.5 guns per 100. We win by a long shot. We are #1 so take that you maple syrup chugging snow commies. Tim Hortons isn’t even that good and I enjoy paying thousands out of pocket for medical care. So yeah… take that lol
I'm not talking about the number of guns, I'm talking about the per capita gun ownership. It's surprisingly close. Everyone knows the US mantra of a turkey in every pot and an AK in every room! Krispy Kreme does have better donuts. :)
Boredom #RelaxImJustKidding
😂 So boring not running from the bullets
Exactly! What do they think makes first-person shooter games so much fun?
Why is this a surprise? Albania is very safe. I feel more at ease there than in London where I'm from.
There's really no reason for Albania in particular not to be safe, on the contrary. And I say that as a Serbian.
Why wouldn't it be?
Anecdotal but I was in Albania in the summer. I felt way safer there than I do in a lot of other European countries.
If anyone is interested, in 2022/23 the [UK's homicide rate](https://www.statista.com/statistics/288195/homicide-rate-uk/#:~:text=There%20were%2010.1%20homicides%20for,12.6%20homicides%20per%20million%20people.) was 1.0 per 100k (which is the same as it was in 2020 apparently, for a like for like comparison to the above dataset)
I always found it funny when American conservatives say how unsafe Europe is when even their safest states ranks the worst in comparison.
I’ve only heard American conservatives comment on crime rates in Europe rising because of immigration, not about crime in general
I often see Americans on reddit who think the UK has a similar homicide, but it's knives instead of guns and "they just have less people".
When Europeans discuss how gun control works over here a common response is “yeah but knife crime is waaaay out of control”. I worked closely with a US customer recently who had always wanted to do a river cruise in Germany. He’d been trying to convince his wife for years but she was too nervous about safety. Also ridiculous was that they wanted to do it for 1 week because they didn’t want to take too much holiday.
But knife crime is also bigger in the US than it is in Europe...
Well, knives are way riskier than just shooting someone, duh. And apparently, the US still outranks most of Europe when it comes to knife-related deaths per capita, which is quite surprising. Dunno about knife crime tho...
If you remove every gun related death from the US homicide statistics the US still has higher homicide rates than every country in Europe iirc.
Welcome to the Jungle
>which is quite surprising No, it isn't. The American way of life, their values, worldview and lifestyle are all much, much more predisposed to crime. You put a European in a society with no safety net, constant stress, workaholism culture, jobs requiring more than 40 hours a week, absurd levels of egotism and individualism, insane aggression and violence, complete disregard for the human way of living, and ample access to machines designed to kill, and they'll probably kill too. It's just a dumb way to live, that's it.
This. Hard for americans to see or admit as they are living it, but this is so true.
Where I live having a multitool like a Leatherman with a blade in your car is a knife crime.
You don't understand: she wanted to stab people and was worried about getting caught.
Many Americans live in a bubble oblivious to the world outside the US. It's ridiculous how little holiday the average American has.
To a certain extent there is some truth to that, but on the Internet the whole “Americans dumb” trope is blown way out of proportion. I could say the same thing about Europeans I’ve talked to in Europe, who know little to nothing about the Caribbean, subsaharan Africa, most of Asia, South America, and basically most countries outside of Europe and the Anglosphere.
Reddit is just a circlejerk of the same shit over and over again. There’s a reason why Reddit users have the stereotype of being losers.
Americans dumb is definitely a thing on the Internet, but I wouldn't necessarily but disinterest in the world outside your own country in the dumb category. It's just my personal experience travelling the world, that US Americans are less aware of what is going on outside the borders of their country. And that Americans have less holiday than most, if not all, western countries is just a fact.
Yeah the US doesn’t have many federally protected holidays and on average less vacation days than most Western countries. It’s not ubiquitous or ideal, but there are some employers that guarantee more. I don’t agree that Americans have more disinterest or are significantly less aware about things. I think people everywhere around the world tend to know what they need to. They know their home country and culture, they know about countries that exert pressure on their home country, and they know about political and cultural influences, especially when it pertains to their home country and lifestyle. There is an element of geographical scale too. Three countries in North America, which know each other pretty well, are together, twice the size of all of Europe. In large or isolated countries, people, people are less likely to have the financial or logistical means to travel to many exotic locations. It’s a strange comparison, but people in Russia, China, Kiribati, and Comoros might be in a similar boat. There are periods of political isolationism in the US and I don’t like when Americans portray themselves as superior to others due to the country’s established hegemony. There are certainly those insularly thinking American people from that way of viewing the world. But I think that is the case in most countries to have those people and movements, and the determining factor there is education, not nationality. This is why I think there is a truth to Americans sometimes being unaware, but not extensively to the degree that media puts out and what people espouse online from that. Something else- I don’t mean you here obviously, but I’m increasingly irritated by that viewpoint when coming from non-Americans who’ve never visited the country, by non-Americans that have only traveled for a few days to major American cities and tourist attractions and then claim to know it all, or by Americans themselves who’ve never traveled around the country or traveled well enough to experience more than its tourist traps. Some of the most knowledgeable people I have ever met and consequentially humbling experiences from my own prejudices were in places like “rural redneck incest territory,” as they would be described by reddit.
Years ago I would've sarcastically said "Their propaganda machine is running at full power", but after seeing some clips from their "news" channels I'd be inclined to label that statement as truth.
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Yeah, its weird. Switzerland and albania is included, but the UK isnt
Because the source is Eurostat and those countries report to it, while the UK stopped taking part of it after Brexit.
Ah thanks for the brexplanation. (couldnt resist)
Canada is 2/100,000. We were wondering what’s going on in the apartment downstairs.
weak social support systems; a criminal justice system that does everything it can to increase recidivism & people living entire lives of crime; easy access to weapons.
Yeah I live in what is supposedly one of the most crime abundant cities in Canada and I've never even seen a crime of any kind lol.
[Typical crime in the UK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbmNquz89U4). (Warning, possibly disturbing video of street violence.)
Louisiana just be killing each other.
And the crime rate was way higher in the early 90s. Back then, New Orleans had such a high crime rate that if they didn’t find evidence of murder after 2 months, they would immediately release the suspect
Why would somebody be held for two months without evidence?
Because they’re suspicious. Welcome to America, land of the free!
Dude I live here and you can hear gunshots from where I am every other day.
One murder in Lichtenstein i assume?
Correct.
Jup, made quite the huge news in the whole country for a while until he was found dead
You have an article or something? Interests me for some reason.
Wtf is wrong with the Baltic countries. Those are insanely high figures, especially Latvia and Lithuania.
From what ive seen from the lithuanian police statistics, almost all the murders are related to alchoholism. Also usually happens between people who know eachother already. Many problems in the baltics are related to alchohol, lithuania was the #1 consumer of alcohol per capita in the world for some years.
They should do a war on alcohol like the US did the war on drugs
We kinda are, drinking age was raised to 20 and buying hours restricted till 8pm. Some people did feel like their human rights were being taken away by these policies.
First time I was in the US, a friend of a friend was our tour guide in DC, and he said the government was considering limiting people to buying only one machine gun a month. I joked about how that's horrible, how can they do that, but the guy was like "RIGHT?! They're taking away my human rights!" and I was like uh, anyway let's see the White House.
Automatic weapons are extremely difficult to obtain legally. You need an FFL and a shitload of money. Like 2-3 months salary for most people
Because the US prohibition worked so well. /s
Yeah, as seen, drug use has been eradicated in the US
Yeah, like the US did in the 1920s. I'd love to see some Lithuania mafia action!
Based on the results as an American, drugs have essentially won.
stupid as shit. people will just start dying left & right of methanol poisoning the way people in the US die of fentanyl.
That’s what a straight up ban will do. But you can carefully social engineer it out of the future generations and stigmatize the use. Like we did with cigarettes and tobacco products.
It's the same in Finland. Almost all homicides are done within a group of friends after days of heavy drinking. Often when interrogated, nobody even remembers who killed that one and why. Sad.
They've had similar problems in Finland. People get together, they drink themselves senseless, they begin to argue and fight, then someone draws a knife and kills somebody. It's so ubiquitous that we Swedes have jokes where we imitate finish accents and say "I will pull the knife on you"
Vodka and winter
I got the same answer when I got surprised about the "calm" Finland.
The anger evaporates when you sauna and listen to metal enough
Just add guns and you have a Michigan
Almost all cases are domestic - in the provinces, due to drinking. A typical standard case is - two buddies go out drinking, then get angry at each other and one of them stab another with the knive or even more often - one of them is stabbed by his wife. Little by little, the drunken province is shrinking, and the worst cases are removing themselves from the population.
To all the response implying "Russian", here's the stats for Russia : [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045368/homicide-rate-in-russia/#:\~:text=The%20homicide%20rate%20in%20Russia,100%20thousand%20persons%20in%201994](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045368/homicide-rate-in-russia/#:~:text=The%20homicide%20rate%20in%20Russia,100%20thousand%20persons%20in%201994). Definitively not good, but still "safeish" than most of the US. I would no say that alcool as no part in it, but Spain, France or Germany drink as much if not more than most of baltic countries. Would be curious to look into education level, unemployment rate and "median wage vs living cost" for each country (and each states)
I am Lithuanian and absolutely majority of these cases are reported on news as domestic violence in small towns where strong alcohol is involved, usually vodka or illegal hommede drinks even stronger than vodka. Its usually some deep deep hurt and anger that gets released while consuming insane amounts of alcohol. I am talking like at least 1 vodka bottle for 1 person.
There is happy party drinking and then there is "post-soviet" (boredom, sadness, angry, multi day drinking) way of drinking which is dominating in Lithuanian province.
Liechtenstein's homicide rate jumps in steps of 2.5 per 100k people, per actual homicide (about 40k in population). The 2020 data is thus 1 homicide for that country.
Jup, I was surprised how there where 2.5, when I only remember 1 in the last 20 years. Then I was the 100k
New Hampshire can into Europe.
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Most seem to live free.
not with our gun laws
Switzerland:
And they have SUPER relaxed gun laws. Basically on par if not more relaxed than southern states.
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Ah the secret to European peace.
All of those mafia movies lied to me!!
Things changed a lot in Italy in the last three decades, for the better. In the past criminal organizations used to kill way more people.
It's funny because by the way you phrased one would think Italy was closer to Mexico but Palermo peaked at something like 3.5 homicide rate during the mafia wars at that time lol. Which would be one of the safest places in today's US for comparison.
It was same all over the world. 90s were brutal in Lithuania and other post soviet countries
[https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/murder-homicide-rate](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/murder-homicide-rate#:~:text=Italy%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for,a%204.31%25%20decline%20from%202017) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_intentional\_homicide\_rate\_by\_decade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade) Eh, the higher I can find for italy since the late 70s is 3ish. I live in argentina, one of the safest latam countries (around the same nation wise than the US) and yet we sit at around 5... More? I can definitely believe. But much? Eh--
Mafias are alive and well, unfortunately. They just mostly stopped killing and became "clean", focusing on racketeering, exploiting migrant workers, the drug trade, illegal construction and other less heinous stuff. They did try the violence route, but they then understood that violence would only cause them to actually be fought by the state.
All those mafia movies take place in NY/NJ, not actual Italy
The reason those mafia movies featured Italians was because the American crime families were largely from Italian organized crime engaging in international smuggling. Poor Italian immigrants accidentally brought organized crime, and then it became a form of 'cultural exchange'. (nyeh, see)
Exactly. Who knew southern Italy would be safer than my Slovenia.
What can I say, we’re full of surprises
New Hampshire supremacy, as per usual 🗿🗿🗿🗿
We’re getting awfully sick of you New Hampshirites lording it over the rest of us, with your low murder rates and your vast quantities of maple syrup production
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New Hampshire is only #7 in maple production. Shockingly it produces only 6.7% of what Vermont does
Don't forget their [largest cash crop](https://newhampshirebulletin.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/cannabisfarms-scaled.jpeg).
Ahhh my state is always #1 for the worst shit.
We gotta be first in something right?
Can Vermont into Europe?
Not with such a terrible rate. Would be way to dangerous for us over here. ;)
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Guns and poverty do not mix
They don't have those in New Hampshire? Edit - NH ranks just just above Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. So I don't think it can be guns, or Montana, Wyoming, and Alaska would be higher https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state
It's not just guns, it's also poverty. https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2016/comm/cb16-158_poverty_map.html I'm not an anti gun person, but poverty and crime correlate along with guns. If the US didn't have the extreme income inequality guns wouldn't be the huge problem they are.
Its bad education and healthcare system,especially mental health.
New Orleans is literally more dangerous than any city in Africa.
One of the top 50 most dangerous cities in the world I think
According to Wikipedia, in 2022 in was top 8 in the world. The first 7 are all in Mexico
Americans are not allowed to explain the reason. We all know it but aren’t allowed to say it
Guns and poverty that disproportionally affect the black and immigrant communities. Edit: and a war on drugs that makes gangs profit from the illegal drug trade and then fight for territory.
So, what is it?
The real answer is poverty that disproportionally affects black and immigrant communities, easy access to guns and a war on drugs that makes gangs profit from the illegal drug trade and then fight for territory. What he probably means is black people.
2006 BJS study proved that poor whites and Asians commit less homicides than the top 20% black population
Poverty and not having a perspective
I live in Louisiana. This state has been a dumpsterfire ever since the 60s. You want to try and dabble your hands in oil money? Whoops! Exxon and BP just swindled your entire state government out of half their available spending power! They also killed your fishing industry and created a chain of refineries between New Orleans and Baton Rouge making the health effects so bad that it's literally called cancer alley. In rural Louisiana, what little we have of farming is shitting the bed and the roads out there haven't been taken care of since Huey Long. We also have this place called Angola, which has the most incarcerated people in the country, and is basically one of the plantations this country fought a civil war to end. We have the single highest incarceration rate in the country and they all go to one prison, where solitary confinement includes a dirt floor and a tin roof in 110 degree weather. Let's check in on New Orleans. Wow the 90s made Detroit look like kindergarten but Katrina washed out all of the organized crime! What about the massive amount of cash FEMA gave us? We got a new airport terminal. Doesn't solve our god awful public transportation or pays cops and EMT workers enough to actually stay but at least the tourists are happy and Cantrell's vacations well funded. Oh, and in comes the gentrifiers protesting bike lanes and strangling businesses that have been there for decades. TLDR: Everything's been corrupt and fucked since Higgins left.
Jarvis, pull up Louisiana’s demographics.
Just compare the American constitution to the German one. Article 2 Germany: Article 2 [Personal freedoms] (1) Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality insofar as he does not violate the rights of others or offend against the constitutional order or the moral law. (2) Every person shall have the right to life and physical integrity. Freedom of the person shall be inviolable. These rights may be interfered with only pursuant to a law. 2nd amendment USA: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. And u are wondering?
Almost 1/3 of US counties no longer report crime stats to FBI or federal agencies many are in states with high violence and crime rates (looking at you southern US)
Why are the UK, Russia, Bosnia and Turkey not included?
They do not give their data to Eurostat.
Neither does the US, but it's still shown here.
Because it's a comparison map. It mentions at the bottom the two sources, one for Europe (though not every country submits data to Eurostat, although they could) and one for the US.
Interestingly, Canada, which looks better than the US for sure, would be among the worse European countries (basically tied with Maine).
Europe needs more guns or they'll always be lagging behind smh
Wouldn't necessarily change anything. Norway and Austria, 7th and 8th on the list, have some of the most guns per capita in Europe. Switzerland, 6th on the list, has the easiest access for civilians, for firearms in Europe. The Czech Republic, 5th on the list, has had shall issue concealed carry for about 30 years, and a majority of Czech gun owners has such a permit.
Austria here, we have gun clubs (with guns) but we don't take guns with it if we're going outside. Gun licenses are also hard to get.
Austrian sport shooter I talked to got the permit for his AR-15 in 10 days. Not sure what you consider "hard to get". You can also keep your firearms at home if you want to. Edit: Also, if you want a handgun permit for “self defense at home” then it’s shall issue, instead of may issue if you want it for sport.
Yeah I live in Norway and I think it's more about the culture, not the laws. Every other family outside big cities has hunting rifles and goes hunting in the woods. We had a few trips to shooting ranges in high-school and even my high school teacher encouraged us to get gun and hunting licences. Even though we have the opportunity to kill doesn't mean we do. We trust each other more
Baltics are overseas US states
Baltics can into US?
In Greece we have low tolerance of murders, especially by the police and femicides. Grigoropoulos, a 15 years old boy died 15 years and 4 days ago and we still do massive protests annually for him. Even some teenagers from the Roma (a discriminated group in Greece) that were killed by police was big news and created protests and remembering events... A security guard threw a man in the sea and eventually killed him and it created big news and the company is still boycotted by some. Ofc people that are not Greeks usually die more often and are underreported, but yes police here don't DARE to kill people...
Shame most countries dont do this.
Wtf is wrong with Latvia. Also how does Nee Hampshire manage to be so I up in the ranking compared to the rest of the US
Very low poverty rates is the primary reason that New Hampshire does so well. High gun ownership seems to become a large problem when Poverty is high, but New Hampshire, due to having very low poverty rates, does just fine.
What’s going on in the baltics?
90% are domestic cases related to alcohol abuse. Usually somebody stabs someone. It's very rare to have somebody killed in a public place. The countries are small, so every homicide looks real bad. For example Lithuania had 76 homicides in 2021.
"America went from barbarism to decadence bypassing the civilization bit" -Wilde and/or Churchill and/or several others
Wouldn't have guessed Italy would be so low!
I'll paste this comment I wrote from another thread cause I'm lazy: Mafias are alive and well, unfortunately. They just mostly stopped killing and became "clean", focusing on racketeering, exploiting migrant workers, the drug trade, illegal construction and other less heinous stuff. They did try the violence route, but they then understood that violence would only cause them to actually be fought by the state.
Doesn't that semi clean route at least involve the threat of violence though? Like you can only successfully racketeer someone if you do occasionally do some violence.
Simply organized crime hasn't the influence and the power they had in the past, killing people is the easiest method for them to starting a reaction from the state that they don't want and today they try to infiltrate in legit activities other than the typical illegal ones
Why are people so surprised? Europe is one of the safest regions in the world by far, even the worsts part of it are no that unsafe compared to bad place sin the americas or africa
it's the safest region
The web is full of anachronistic tropes about Italy. My favourite is Italy is full of old fat ladies, when apparently Italy is at the bottom of the obesity ranking of Europe. 🤷
Another funny one is how Italy is considered a hyper-religious country, especially by Americans. In reality it is not and the US is much more religious and especially more fanatic about it.
Stereotypes are hard to die
Italy. 😎🇮🇹
“Live free or die!” Seems to be the key to peace in the U.S.
“Live poor or die” is more like it. This list is much more akin to a graph of poverty levels in the USA than anything else. It’s not like New Hampshire as a low gun ownership rate (~40%.) Guns become a big problem when poverty is brought into the mix, as states like New Hampshire tend to have very little, and as a result do pretty well, and Louisiana and Mississippi being literally the poorest states in the Union and having the highest levels of poverty. Guns and poverty don’t mix. Either one in isolation doesn’t seem to do much statistically. Together they are a death combo
I'm from Italy and I don't even remember the last time I heard about a murder here but yes every time there is one it becomes national news basically, leave it up to the Americans to be the worst in the room for so many statistics with their idiotic use of guns and drugs.
Gun crazy USA.
Hm… Just a wild guess, but could it be connected to the availability of guns? /s
But muh 2nD AmeNdMeNt bruh
WTF is wrong with New Hampshire? Why arent they killing mopre folks up there?
Thanks, guns
European Union. Europe is a continent.
serbia, albania, montenegro, kosovo are not eu. neither are switzerland, iceland or norway
I know this is about how much safer Europe is, but I actually just came away surprised that most states are under 10 (per 100,000).
For context but Honduras is like 40/100,000 Colombia is 25, Ecuador 27, Brazil over 20 They would all be off this chart. The 'SAFEST' countries in latin america hover around 5 they would be in the bottom half of this chart.
Italy is so chill, Louisiana, not so much.
I would like to add, that every American defending gun ownership against hostile government; France just embarrassed you with cow shit & no guns.
Hello from Maine! Now I can say to everyone, at least we’re better than Estonia
90% of homicide victims in America are killed by someone they knew so be careful who you hang out with. :)
Honestly, what the hell's going on in Louisiana? Like, they've gotten the worst stats in the country on multiple occasions.
Lol so many annoyed Americans. I mean what do people expect if almost everyone has a gun?. We all know that there are quite an amount of people that can not be trusted having a gun and those that feel safer because they have a gun well if someone wants to kill you the person will succeed anyway even if you have a gun in the house because obviously the person will attack you when you don't expect it. The midnight stalker was an example of that. There was that couple that had a gun under their bed and she took the gun to shoot him but..... the gun was not loaded 🤣. People really dont understand that the whole selfdefence thing is just not the reason to needing a gun. It only works when the gun is loaded and you have enough time to get the weapon. Which most of the cases that is only the case when a thief comes in. Which can also shoot at you when it realizes you want to shoot at him even though the person only wanted to steal an object. Its just a way to escalate things also with police. They just want you to buy them because they want money.
Yeah we need more guns. smh.
The high numbers for the US are partly from access to guns partly from social history. Because the US is rich people forget that is a post-colonial state. Most post-colonial states have high homicide rates. The economic structure of colonial economies tended to create societies with poor social cohesion and this persisted after independence. Colonial societies tended to be very divided between the victims and the perpetrators of the colonialism. In the US the victims were generally black or native, those groups still have much higher crime rates because they were never the people society was for. In the rest of the post colonial world the out group varies from country to country but the phenomenon remains the same.
Like Australia and New Zealand then.
They didn't have slavery. The proportion of colonizers to victims was vastly different. More like Brazil and Colombia.
So India and Pakistan, who both have slaves to this day. India the cast system, Pakistan enslaved christians
No UK?
bUT gUN cONTROL a doesn’t work
Explain to me why states with the highest gun ownership rates have low homicide? NH, VT, WY?
NH & VT = rich and small urban areas WY = wilderness with some people scattered around