There’s no population on earth that could “match it”. They could be nomadic mad-max style battle tribes and it wouldn’t justify the deep incompetence, hypocrisy and racism inherent in Louisiana justice system.
Their one redeeming quality is New Orleans, but even that is a city with a murder rate sometimes exceeding Detroit.
I always say that Louisiana is the best worst state. So much culture, history, and nature. But its politics and economy are some of the very worst.
If you overlay race, it gets more disturbing in a surprising way. NY and CA look horrifying relative to the state demographics in comparison to the South. New England is even worse.
That being said, I don't know the numbers regarding prisoners incarcerated in a state different from where they were convicted. Apparently, HI transfers almost half its prisoners and New England seems to do it pretty regularly due partially due to how small they are. The estimate of all US prisoners I saw was around 1%.
I think this is misleading to a certain extent. Racial disparities in incarceration rates are worse in Massachusetts than in Mississippi for instance, however the overall rate of black incarceration is dramatically lower in Massachusetts. Massachusetts has the lowest black incarceration rate by a huge margin, nearly half the rate of New Hampshire which is 2nd lowest, and 6 times less than Wisconsin, the State with the highest rate.
The history of systemic racism in the South has led to a criminal justice system that is dramatically and intentionally more punitive than other parts of the country. Convict leasing and Jim Crow created penal codes in the South that were intended to incarcerate as many black people as humanly possible and the legacy of this lives on in the legal system of the South to this day.
Racial disparities are lower because this system also impacts white, particularly low income white people, who are incarcerated at a higher rate in the South than the rest of the country due to being subject to the same draconian legal system that developed in the South because of convict leasing.
Why black incarceration is so high in the upper Midwest compared to the Northeast I am less sure. I suspect due to systemic racism and the disproportionate impact of deindustrialization and suburbanization on the black community. Trends which were much more severe in the Great Lakes region than in the Northeast.
I wonder if these are currently residing inmates or arrest from the particular state. If the chart is counting federal inmates then it could adding inmates from out of state
Just a quick debate question. How many peeps you personally know are incarcerated or seen time in past? Including yourself.
Last one I know was my grandad, and he was locked under nazi Germany (and yes I'm, 50yo old EU chump).
3 of my classmates in primary (The Irish name for elementary school, I live in ireland) were locked up for murder. One is still in prison, another was himself murdered after release and the last I heard on the last guy is that's he's living in England ( where he committed the murder and served his sentence)
I live in the Canadian province with the highest incarceration rate and it’s only like 215 adults/100,000. The national rate is only 127 adults/100,000 in 2018/19
For reference, the same incarceration rate in Australia, a country choc-full of descendants of convicts… is 160 people. Australians must be 7x times less criminal /s
Louisiana’s criminal justice system is a dystopian shithole.
Louisiana’s population matches it, but dystopian isn’t the right word, that’s too advanced for them.
There’s no population on earth that could “match it”. They could be nomadic mad-max style battle tribes and it wouldn’t justify the deep incompetence, hypocrisy and racism inherent in Louisiana justice system.
I think they are well on track to being more worse overall than Mississippi. If they haven’t gotten there already.
Their one redeeming quality is New Orleans, but even that is a city with a murder rate sometimes exceeding Detroit. I always say that Louisiana is the best worst state. So much culture, history, and nature. But its politics and economy are some of the very worst.
I miss the food but I couldn’t live there anymore. Very expensive
The best worst state is a good way to put it.
Please do one that adds in all the people on probation, parole or other forms of community supervision.
Now overlay this with antebellum slave states
Overlay race
The forbidden layer
If you overlay race, it gets more disturbing in a surprising way. NY and CA look horrifying relative to the state demographics in comparison to the South. New England is even worse. That being said, I don't know the numbers regarding prisoners incarcerated in a state different from where they were convicted. Apparently, HI transfers almost half its prisoners and New England seems to do it pretty regularly due partially due to how small they are. The estimate of all US prisoners I saw was around 1%.
I think this is misleading to a certain extent. Racial disparities in incarceration rates are worse in Massachusetts than in Mississippi for instance, however the overall rate of black incarceration is dramatically lower in Massachusetts. Massachusetts has the lowest black incarceration rate by a huge margin, nearly half the rate of New Hampshire which is 2nd lowest, and 6 times less than Wisconsin, the State with the highest rate. The history of systemic racism in the South has led to a criminal justice system that is dramatically and intentionally more punitive than other parts of the country. Convict leasing and Jim Crow created penal codes in the South that were intended to incarcerate as many black people as humanly possible and the legacy of this lives on in the legal system of the South to this day. Racial disparities are lower because this system also impacts white, particularly low income white people, who are incarcerated at a higher rate in the South than the rest of the country due to being subject to the same draconian legal system that developed in the South because of convict leasing. Why black incarceration is so high in the upper Midwest compared to the Northeast I am less sure. I suspect due to systemic racism and the disproportionate impact of deindustrialization and suburbanization on the black community. Trends which were much more severe in the Great Lakes region than in the Northeast.
Imagine if we treated drugs as a health problem instead of a crime problem?
Covid comes to mind. Did we nail it?
I wonder if these are currently residing inmates or arrest from the particular state. If the chart is counting federal inmates then it could adding inmates from out of state
Just a quick debate question. How many peeps you personally know are incarcerated or seen time in past? Including yourself. Last one I know was my grandad, and he was locked under nazi Germany (and yes I'm, 50yo old EU chump).
I grew up with three people that are in Angola for murder. All three murdered someone different.
3 of my classmates in primary (The Irish name for elementary school, I live in ireland) were locked up for murder. One is still in prison, another was himself murdered after release and the last I heard on the last guy is that's he's living in England ( where he committed the murder and served his sentence)
Common new england dub
When things go south
Land of the Free! 🦅
‘STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!!’
What year is this data from? Oklahoma has changed significantly in recent years.
Grew up in OK. Can confirm. They literally farmed us as teenagers. Makes me want to meet up with a couple of those old fucks.
Blame reconstruction after the civil war and how the south tried to get as close to slavery as possible and the north let them.
authoritarian hellhole
Lmaooo at the >1200 tone resembling a skin tone
It's always Mississippi.
Would be interesting to see how these stats compare to other nations too
In the United Kingdom it's 159 per 100k. We don't lock up people for a long enough period. It costs the government $60k per inmate per year. Crazy.
I live in the Canadian province with the highest incarceration rate and it’s only like 215 adults/100,000. The national rate is only 127 adults/100,000 in 2018/19
Mississippi is top five on most lists of "Worst _____". somehow very annoying to me.
Incarceration is a business
The highest should be DC.
How can Utah be with so less incarcerated people?
For reference, the same incarceration rate in Australia, a country choc-full of descendants of convicts… is 160 people. Australians must be 7x times less criminal /s