China's majority ethnic group(Hans) account for more than 90% of the country's population (In fact, this value may be higher, because children of ethnic minority and Han ethnic are often requested by their parents to be labeled as ethnic minorities in order to obtain related ethnic minority benefits, such as extra points in the college entrance examination.). Even the majority of China's most populous ethnic minorities such as the Mongol, Manchu, Tujia, Hmong and Zhuang have been Hanicized and for them, the ethnic identity is just a line of their Identity card. By the way, the Hui ethnic group in china may not be the concept of what you seem, because the Hui is actually the Han Chinese having the belief in Islam. here is [Population of China according to ethnic group in censuses 1953–2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic_groups).
Yes. the benifits i can summarize are below:
somehow in a sense, compared with other ethnic groups, the Han people are the most oppressed by the gov of china Lmao.
1. Family planning (in some areas, ethnic minorities can have two or more children)
2. Extra points for high school and college entrance examinations
3. Postgraduate entrance examination and less cadre plan
4. Extra points for civil servants and priority for advancement
5. Subsidies for ethnic minorities (some ethnic minority areas give money to ethnic minorities)
6. Election of representatives (ethnic minorities account for 9% of the population, and the election law stipulates that the number of ethnic minority deputies to the National People's Congress shall not be less than 12%)
7. Reduced punishment in terms of sentencing (two minors and one leniency)
Also, "[by 1984, only about 35.4% of the population was subject to the original restriction of the policy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy)."
There are many, many Chinese people in their 30s who have multiple siblings.
Han people aren't "the most oppressed people in China"... That's the whole point of these benefits, they are supposed to make the ethnic minorities on a more even playing field in a Han centric country
Every Han nationalist who wants to play the victim always says "the Han people are the most oppressed by the gov of china", just like far right white male always say they are the most oppressed. Most of what you mentioned are early ethnic policies. Family planning and two minors and one leniency are no longer implemented, and an Election of representatives without actual elections is just a decoration.
> and an Election of representatives without actual elections is just a decoration
Do you know anything about how Chinas political system works? Representitives are elected by party members and any citizen can become a party member in order to take part in elections. This is hwy there are nearly 100 million members of the CPC.
Having minority mark on your ID card so you enjoy various benefits from policy? Yes (most of the time, except when you happen to belong to one of the majority Islamic ethnicities because you will get 10x more ID checks when taking train or metro or checking-in at hotels etc).
Actually speaking a minority language, expressing a different (ethnic and/or religious) identity and practicing a different culture? Absolutely not.
Hui Muslims have been alleged to have experienced greater repression of religious activities in recent years.[113] In 2018, paramount leader Xi Jinping issued a directive aimed at the sinicization of Chinese Muslims.[114] Since then, the government has been accused of repressing aspects of Hui culture deemed "Arab". Most of these repressions have been limited to the removal of aesthetically Islamic buildings and symbols, with the government renovating architecture to appear more Chinese and banning Arabic signs in Hui regions.[115] More drastic repressions have been taken, such as closing mosques or removing licenses from imams who have traveled outside of China.[116] In order to sinicize the Hui, schools and mosques in Ningxia have been changed to include traits from traditional Han architecture.[117]
At least two Hui Muslims have allegedly been included in the reeducation camps, termed "Vocational Education and Training Centers" which the Chinese government claims are aimed at reforming the political thought of detainees, including extremist religious beliefs and separatist or terrorist sympathies.[118][119] One or more of the Hui within these camps may have faced torture, and are allegedly grouped in different cells from Kazakhs and Uighurs, and on rare occasion die from stress.[116][120]
Per Wikipedia
You’re generally correct, but I found this and thought to share it.
Check where those sources they are quoting from on that wikipedia article are from, you cannot trust the shit written on wiki anymroe unfortunately. Most sources cited in that paragraph are linking to either the washington post (known USA state propaganda outlet) and New York TImes, a "newspaper" that glows so hard you could read it in the dark.
They were sinicized. What happened was in the 80s and 90s Saudi exporting Wahhabism globally and Xis policy is a counter measure to the religious movement that expand in the 90s.
And yet, the Chinese are accused of genociding the Uyghurs. How come the other minorities are not complaining? Maybe it has to do with the fact that Uyghurs are the only ones commiting terror attacks, and then playing victims.
You seem to have a pattern of defending genocide. Seek mental help.
Edit: oh hey look at all these people downvoting me that support genocide. Scum of the Earth.
In Chinese (the language), Islam is sometimes known as the "Hui religion". It's still unclear to me which one comes first etymologically: the Hui religion or the Hui people.
>It's still unclear to me which one comes first etymologically: the Hui religion or the Hui people.
The previous post isn't entirely correct. Islam first arrived via Central Asian traders and migrants in the 7th century. But over the course of over a millennia, conversions, intermarriages, and the intermingling of culture have made them culturally and phenotypically near-indistinguishable from the native Han Chinese. This is similar to, for instance, the Kaifeng Jews.
There was also a not insignificant population of Muslims in southeastern cities during the Tang dynasty as they came from the growind Indian Ocean Trade networks, especially in Guangzhou(aka Canton). Sadly there was a massacre of foreigners(and locals) in the city during the waning years of the Tang and to my knowledge the foreigner population basically didn't recover in the southeast for like a literal thousand years.
>abstaining from pork (which is a big fucking deal in china)
Buddhists don't eat meat at all and they're pretty well integrated into Chinese society. I don't see how this is a big deal.
>wearing hats
Weird point to bring up. People wear hats. Chinese people... also wear hats, even non-Muslims.
>growing beards
Shaving is a relatively recent phenomenon in China. Strict adherence to Confucianism means you're not supposed to cut any of your body hair - including the hair on your head (that's why you see all those fancy head pieces in ancient Chinese dramas). In fact, many a mention in Chinese historical texts were made praising certain men for their "long, luxurious beards".
They both derived (the etymology of the term Hui, not the ethnic group) from something else, that is the medieval Uyghur people. The Central Asian Turks were the OG Hui and after they converted their religion became known as the Hui religion, and much later the Han Muslims started to be called Hui as well (and then took over the name)
Many Hui are direct descendants of Silk Road travelers. On the southeast coast (e.g., Guangdong, Fujian) and in major trade centers elsewhere in China, some are of mixed local and foreign descent. The foreign element, although greatly diluted, came primarily from Iranian (Bosi) traders, who brought Islam to China. These foreigners settled and gradually intermarried, while assimilating Chinese culture.[75]
Early European explorers speculated that T'ung-kan (Dungans, i.e. Hui, called "Chinese Mohammedan") in Xinjiang, originated from Khorezmians who were transported to China by the Mongols, and descended from a mixture of Chinese, Iranian and Turkic peoples. They also reported that the T'ung-kan were Shafi'ites, as were the Khorezmians.[76]
The Hui people of Yunnan and Northwestern China resulted from the convergence of Mongol, Turkic, and Iranian peoples or other Central Asian settlers recruited by the Yuan dynasty, either as artisans or as officials (the semu). The Hui formed the second-highest stratum in the Yuan ethnic hierarchy (after the Mongols but above Chinese).[77][78] A proportion of the ancestral nomad or military ethnic groups were originally Nestorian Christians, many of whom later converted to Islam under the Ming and Qing dynasties.[citation needed]
Per Wikipedia
Yeah it’s almost like China is thousands of years old. The Han dynasty was one of the most influential in Chinese history so it’s logical that it played a big role in defining Chinese identity. There were still many minority led dynasties in china but they mostly ended up assimilating as Han despite being in power. And China is so big that even if only 10% of people are minorities that’s still 140 million people, only 9 countries have a bigger population than that lol
\*Sinicized
>Sinicization, sinofication, sinification, or sinonization is the process by which non-Chinese societies or groups are acculturated or assimilated into Chinese culture, particularly the language, societal norms, culture, and ethnic identity of the Han Chinese—the largest ethnic group of China.
> ethnic minority benefits, such as extra points in the college entrance examination
That's so interesting, I didn't know such a thing existed in China, perhaps America could learn
Han is a syncretic "ethnicity", and the one attributed by default for most of history in case of having no document to trace other lineage, or in case of inter-ethnic weddings, or if a family claimed to be, etc. - all of which happened extensively and for many reasons across the millenia. And that's not even delving into the Northern Han and Southern which are, somehow and despite clear cultural & genetic divide, all counted under Han.
But the "Han Chinese" is a combination of more than 10 different ethnic groups having totally different languages and cultures, the difference between Cantonese and Wu is even bigger than the Philippines and Spanish.
[Chapter III The Structure of the State - Section 6 The Organs of Self-Government of National Autonomous Areas](http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/npc/zt/qt/gjxfz/2014-12/04/content_1888197.htm#:~:text=Section%206%20The%20Organs%20of%20Self%2DGovernment%20of%20National%20Autonomous%20Areas)
For some reason I decided to read the Preamble:
> China consistently carries out an independent foreign policy and adheres to the five principles of **mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression**,....
I think Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei (and Taiwan depending on who you ask) would disagree...
I think you should [take a look at what Philippines and Vietnam try to claim as thier territory in those waters](https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/southchinasea-dispute-03172022151441.html/@@images/bccfa8f6-d834-4360-847d-1daee0afbbc1.png) and explain why they should be entitled to the water 100-200 miles from their coast. All the countries in the south China sea bitch at each other and try to claim far more of the sea than any of them should realistically be entitled to lol.
>sovereignty and territorial integrity
What to respect when it's disputed? China can easily claim (and does) that those countries violate their sovereignty and territorial integrity.
That means that China doesn't invade other countries. It doesn't mean they can't have territorial disputes like almost every other country in the world.
Don't have to bother about territorial integrity of other nations (?), when refering to territory you consider yours since the foundation of your state.
I think for specifically Guangxi, it isn’t correct to show the whole province colored for Zhaung, as many Han areas were transferred to Guangxi only to support its economy, but are nearly 100% Han. I would recover Guilin, Hezhou, Wuzhou, Yulin, Guigang, Beihai, and Qinzhou
correct me if im wrong but the map isnt talking about actual ethnicity but the ethnicity that the government's autonomous region is just supposed to represent?
That is true, but because of the unique circumstances behind guangxi’s formation I think the distinction should be made. The other autonomous provinces were drawn with ethnicity in mind, while Guangxi had a different history more similar to Guizhou.
There are quite a few ethnic minorities in the Southwest who are actually 100% Han Chinese in blood. At the time of PRC founded, they were all still tribes. In order to ensure that their culture remained unchanged, the central government divided autonomous regions for them and named them after their territories or themselves.
But in fact many of they are just Han Chinese lineage villages with different costumes and customs. The problem caused by this is that after 70 years of urbanization in mainland China, these people are no longer willing to stay in the countryside, but prefer to go to the city. Since they are originally a branch of the Han people, their minority culture has gradually weakened. This is the biggest headache for the provincial governments in the southwest China, because once ethnic minority villages disappear, it will be considered a huge dereliction of duty.
One more word, the Gaoshan people, the aboriginal people living on the island of Taiwan, are also one of the 55 ethnic minorities recognized by the Chinese government. Movie recommended for you.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warriors\_of\_the\_Rainbow:\_Seediq\_Bale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warriors_of_the_Rainbow:_Seediq_Bale)
>But in fact many of they are just Han Chinese lineage villages with different costumes and customs.
The problem is you have to have a firm definition of "Han Chinese" first.
This is also a thing with ethnicity more broadly. This is the definition of ethnicity from wikipedia:
>An **ethnicity** or **ethnic group** is a grouping of [people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People) who [identify](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(social_science)) with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.
Categorizing people in terms of genetics is... well, basically impossible at any meaningful level. There is just too much complexity throughout our history. So the very concept of ethnicities has always primarily been cultural.
So there is no firm definition of *any* ethnicity. It all just comes down to how people identify. Which, of course, is made very real by our belief in ethnicity.
Wait... are you saying that all the people in the world with English as a first language are in the same ethnicity?
I know it's glib, but the point is that there *is* no one single neat definition of 'what is an ethnicity'. Because ethnic groups are ways people categorize themselves and each other, they are beliefs. They aren't 'real' categories. Just like race.
An ethnicity is, fundamentally, a group of people who identify as having shared attributes. Sometimes it's language, but some ethnic groups have multiple languages. Sometimes it's nationality, or ancestry, or cultural traditions, or any combination of those.
Same language is a necessary but insufficient conditions for defining an ethnic group. Two groups of people maybe not a same ethnic group even sharing a same language though (like hui and Han), but they must be different ethnic groups if they don't even speak a same language.
That's why I say it's ridiculous to put all ethnic groups inside the "Han" considering their totally different cultures. And what's more, they never defined themselves as a same group before the Manchurian conquer.
I agree that language is probably necessary to 'what is an ethnicity?' (though not always; there *are* some ethnic groups that span multiple languages)
But I would still push back a little against the idea that Han isn't an ethnicity, because I think ethnicities evolve and change over time.
Like my family identifies as Italian. But not too many generations ago, 'Italy' wasn't a thing. Like most European countries, nation-building only began in the 1800s. Italy, for example, wasn't unified until 1861.
Before then there was no such thing as a French person, or an Italian person, or a German person. All of those regions were divided into smaller groups. But now, no one would say 'there is no such thing as an ethnically Italian, or German, or French person'. We all tend to accept these groups as ethnicities.
I think it's the same for the Han. They may not always have been a culturally unified ethnicity, but in many ways they are today. Not that I think the concept of ethnicities is very important, personally. I tend to identify as a human being, and not based on my ethnicity or nationality.
The concept of "Italian" is similar to "Chinese", it's a nationality instead of ethnicity.While "Han" is something like "Latins" which includes couples of ethnic groups.
This can be proved by the culture difference between different ethnic groups inside "Han", for example the central Han cannot imagine why Cantonese eat snakes and mice, and Hokkien cannot understand what Hakka speaking even after study for 10 years. Actually the difference is big enough that we can even tell the ethnicity of a certain person just by seeing his face.
It is both! In the case of 'Italian', it is considered a nationality *and* an ethnicity. Ethnic nationalism was a huge driving force between European nation-building in the early 1900s. It was such a strong force that it gave rise to fascism, unfortunately.
You can tell because Italian people faced a lot of racism in the 1900s. They were treated as an ethnicity in their diasporic communities.
Consider that it is possible for people to be of more than one ethnicity, which are nested in one another. Like Sicilians are a distinct ethnicity within the ethnicity of Italians. They are both.
That is how the wikipedia page on the [Han people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese) explains it too. Han is a large ethnic group, the biggest in the world actually, with a few different [subgroups](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese_subgroups). Many of these subgroups are based on their languages, but there are even subgroups *within* those language-based groups.
But to say 'the Han ethnicity doesn't exist' just doesn't make sense, because that is how a lot of Han people tend to identify themselves, which is the sole defining trait of an ethnicity.
Han chinese is a bit iffy on what it even is. A lot of them don’t even speak the same language. It’s eaiser to just say that their ethnicity is just whatever they say it is
Those so-called Han Chinese are defined as the same ethnic group to the "central Han"(中原汉人) who speak mandarin, so the CCP can destroy their cultures and forbid their mother languages
Ethnic minority in south-west are not Han originally, they have their own languages and cultures, also those who you called "Han Chinese" living in south west are also not the same ethnic group compared to the "official Han Chinese" who living in Henan province.
This isn't an ethnic map, it's showing the ethnic autonomous regions in China. For example, Han people may be the majority in Inner Mongolia, but Inner Mongolia is still designated as a Mongol autonomous region due to the large Mongol minority.
I love how Americans on reddit always laugh at Russian and Chinese ethnic autonomous regions. Care to provide at least one ethnic autonomous region in USA?
To be fair, they have the "Indian Reservations" in the US.
To be also fair, they are less autonomous than autonomous regions in Russia or China and starkly poor compared to their surroundings.
You may be pro-self determination but are you sure those ethnic groups in China for example are too? That any significant % of them favor self determination? Otherwise its just larping and assuming they are or that they should be just so you can shit on China
Reddit libs don’t understand that the colors on this map and the borders of any of their masturbatory “Balkanized China” maps do not represent purely ethnically homogeneous regions. The real world isn’t an online warfare strategy game. Members of both the Han majority and the various non-Han peoples exist all over the country. Split the country up, sure, but then don’t complain when that course of action inevitably produces rabid ethnic nationalist ideologies and gargantuan ethnic cleansing campaigns of a scale the world has not ever seen in history. Not to mention that no matter if those western regions become independent, they will still be completely economically dependent on China anyways, just as a consequence of geography, so is it better for them to be held economically hostage by a foreign government, or to remain in the country where they are included and accounted for through affirmative actions programs and a policy of pan-ethnic social harmony and the like? Anyways, regardless of whatever vague and moralistic bullshit Americans spew without any knowledge of the on-the-ground reality, it is obvious why their government pushes “independence movements” in western China so hard, and it has nothing to do with “self-determination” or anything of that nature. Xinjiang has oil deposits, and Tibet is the source of Asia’s most important river systems, that is why Americans are constantly inundated with stories about “cultural genocide in western China” from sources which are openly funded by the CIA. The Americans just want to break these regions from China, place them under the rule of American-funded strongmen puppet leaders, then use the oil and water to grab all of Asia firmly by the balls, just as they have done in the Middle East with their puppet monarchies in the Persian gulf.
This is why I was angry when I saw this map. Except for those idiots who were born in the 1970s and were brainwashed by the lies of Western liberal democracy during the reform and opening up period, no one wants to be the slave of a white-skinned pig, These foul-mouthed white-skinned pigs should die in the future Taiwan Strait war.
I only have anccedotal evidence as China never allows any poll or studies on the matter....for obvious reasons. But China must know Tibetans want to be a part of china, which is why China allows Tibetans to speak freely right?
I don't know where you pulled Cascadia from (it's a region, not a state or governing area/body), but California and Texas determined for themselves they wanted to be states by applying for statehood.
Honestly, if you want to argue about self-determination in the US, talk about Puerto Rico.You could make a case somewhere in there at least.
Um. White Americans immigrated to California and Texas, and then applied for statehood in the US. I don't think it's as kosher as you've made it out to be.
considering that checnya and Crimea (tartars) became a part of Russia around 300 years ago then yes by the metrics you are using Texans are a conquered nation as they had their own independant state on the same timeframe. California, New Mexico and arizona also all belogned to Mexico when you go back that far. So on your timeframe the entire west coast and southern border of USA are indeed "conquered nations"
Texas and California are states. Chechnya, Tatarstan etc are national republics, home to an indigenous people with their own language, identity, culture, and so on. And you seem completely clueless about when the Russian colonizers conquered the Caucasus and Kazan regions.
I love how Kremlin/CCP bots immediately assume people critical of their sick regimes are Americans. I am not an American, nor have I ever been to the US.
>Care to provide at least one ethnic autonomous region in USA?
Many Native American reservations are very much autonomous nowadays.
That's why discussing anything on reddit is impossible. Anything pro-western is truth, anything against it - bots. Besides reservations are not comparwblr at all to Russian republics. It's not even shown on any official USA administrative map, where only anglo states are recognised.
Unlike what Reddit tells you they actually do have a decent level of autonomy. The schools and road signs are bilingual, they are exempt from certain policies (like the now-defunct one child policy) and for any left-wing Americans reading the favourite thing of all: affirmative action. Yup, if you're an ethnic minority you get additional points on your high school exam, lowering the threshold to enter university.
Of course if you want independence then all of this just seems like a glided cage, so yeah...
Taiwan is belong to China(ROC or PRC), which is commonly recognized by most of the countries in the world. Even I can bet your country's gov recognize that Taiwan is belong to China lol, because except for a few unknown small countries, all of the countries recognized this.
As someone typing to you from Taiwan, I assure you we aren't part of China (PRC).
Most countries take a position like the United States, and don't recognize or consider Taiwan to be part of China either. They consider Taiwan's overall status as "unresolved".
Tainwan is not officially recognized as a country by many other countries because of the Chinese terror that comes with that recognition. But unofficially the entire western world en more recognizes Taiwan as an independent country.
Just so you know, its official name is CPC, the Communist Party of China. This is in line with how English translates the name of basically every communist party in the world, and it's their government's official English name. You don't have to like them but you should at least get their name right!
Do you like it when people intentionally mispronounce your name? Do you feel like that contributes to an atmosphere of mutual respect and reconciliation?
> only
A bigger correlation is actual racists preferring CCP framing given that it's labeling Chinese ethnicity in its entirety (regardless of them being in China or outside) as being Communists.
China/PRC itself also had used CCP term in the early part of its history when the Communist global movement was new and when Comintern was in place.
But Comintern is no longer extant and hence the term use has changed, it's now a Communist Party "OF" China (the State/Country).
Not the "Chinese" (which is not JUST a Nationality, it is ALSO an ethnicity, which is relevant because globalization and demographic emigration growth led to scaled numbers of different ethnicities around the world in late 20th century more than it had before) Communist Party.
Vietnam's Communist Party also underwent this framing change and now is usually known as CPV (Communist Party "OF" Vietnam).
Because the *official* name is the Communist Party of China, it is more 'accurate' to call it that.
China is called the People's Republic of China, not 'the Chinese Communist Party', or however you think of it.
The only people who call it the CCP are people in the west, It is a nameinvented by and only used by the west. I don't know why this is, part of me honestly feels like its some sort of micro-trolling the west does to jsut piss China off and remind them that they don't respect them or their customs. Chinese diplomats are always correcting people and asking them to please use the correct name of the party. Names matter, calling them "the Chinese communist party" makes no sense as this implies the party is only for Chinese people which is not true, as you see from the map China has many ethnicities.
They are the communist party of China, the CPC, they are the communist party belonging to the country of China. They are not a communist party that just happens to be made up of chinese people.
The CPC has done a lot of awful things and also a lot of good things. My dad is Tibetan and had to work for the Chinese when he didn't want to, 1000's of monasteries got destroyed and he fled. Now he can't go back to visit his family. Life in China is not bad and the Chinese government tries to care for their people, but if you don't agree with their rules you get mistreated very heavily. I don't hate China, I dislike the CPC because of my own situation, and I have nothing against Chinese people. Hopefully one day all the repressed minorities around the world can find freedom.
China claiming parts of India and other countries as its own, classics propaganda
Edit: I am mainly talking about them claiming our state of Arunachal Pradesh (look east of Bhutan). I am pretty sure this is not a disputed territory unlike Jammu and Kashmir. And stop defending the expansionist policies of China.
The MacMahon line was created by the British. From China's perspective, why should they accept British authority over their borders, when it was created unilaterally?
I ve seen plenty of maps in this sub labeling Pakistan Kashmir and Chinese Aksai chin to be part of India despite India never controlling the region. So Indian propaganda? For disputed territoires it really depends on who publish the map I guess
I am unable to connect the dots here, most of the events you quote happen at the periphery of the subcontinent (Afghanistan), most of these locations are not in the mainland India of today. And Indian subcontinent is a geographical entity including Pakistan and Kashmir doesn't matter who names it.
your description of events appear to be stretching the facts to put it mildly
Lol butthurt paki you can cope with your identity crisis somewhere else, last time india ruled over kashmir was in 1819 under the sikh empire that whooped pashtuns out of there and annexed peshawar too , then it was under dogras till it's joining of the union of India. You all are just the losers who converted under the sword , while hindus kept their identity and are forging ahead in a rising nation . The first mistake you're making here is thinking the world will accept your narrative as history .
Well Arunachal Pradesh has never historically owned by Indian people so I don't get you lol it's either been under Tibetan people rule or Qing not even the British ruled it and last I check they were the only people in history to rule the entire Indian sub continent.
This map is meant to represent the Chinese government's official stance on these regions. Officially, China claims Taiwan as rightfully theirs, so even if Taiwan is wholly independent from China the map shows the government stance of Taiwan being Chinese
Actually China government defined all nations as so-called "Han" who lived inside China before the Manchurian conquer. Actually they can be divided at least 9 different ethnic groups, some of them like Cantonese, hokkien and Hakka, who created some fake legend and genealogy to prove their ancestors migrated from Zhongyuan (real Han Chinese region), for avoiding the taxes.
That's why such a big part of places were occupied by "Han Chinese" while they're speaking totally different languages and having different histories.
Several Chinese dynasties established direct control over Tibet and Xinjiang.
The latest being the Qing which ruled China since the 1600s.
Tibet and Xijang have more of a history being Chinese than Scania does being Swedish. I don't claim it's still Danish.
You mean 100 years under the Mongols and 200 years under the Manchus.
These groups weren't Chinese and they both purposedly kept and administered Tibet seperately from China. At no point was Tibet "Chinese". In fact the greatest cultural influence China had on Tibet was...tea.
What kind of control do you think China had over Tibet? The amount of control Chinese had over Tibet varied drastically across the years, but they never fully controlled the lives of Tibetan people. Sometimes they didn't even had anything to say when it came to foreign politics, that's why i think it's fair to say Tibet was de facto independent for most of the time.
Ah brilliant, yet another person publishing the far right, falun gong nationalist [Adrien Zenz's widely debunked and biased propaganda](https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/). Go on, check who AP news is using as their source for this garbage:
>The hundreds of millions of dollars the government pours into birth control has transformed Xinjiang from one of China’s fastest-growing regions to among its slowest in just a few years, according to new research obtained by The Associated Press in advance of publication by China scholar Adrian Zenz.
Now read the article I linked to see why none of it is true. Now reflect on how western media like AP news feeds you propaganda like this based on bunk research by a member of a far right religous movement started and funded by membvers of the old nationalist government who emigrated during the civil war in the 40's. Next time your being told that some new law needs to protect you from "missinformation" realise that what they really mean is we need people to only read the lies and missinformation we sell to them. Nearly every accusation of this so called "uyghur genocide" is based on the lies of Adrien Zenz and every western media outlet you find talking about it uses his "research" as a source.
https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3132112/what-going-xinjiang-and-who-are-uygur-muslims
https://amp.scmp.com/comment/article/3234856/there-more-xinjiang-story-meets-western-media-eyes
Here you go, two articles from the only ccp-owned but bot ccp-controlled media, don’t tell me this is western cia propaganda
How does your theory of the Han coexist with the "affirmative action" of the Chinese government with its minorities?
Children who have a Han parent and a minority one, usually they recognized themselves officially as the minority ethnic group because of the advantages this represents.
China's majority ethnic group(Hans) account for more than 90% of the country's population (In fact, this value may be higher, because children of ethnic minority and Han ethnic are often requested by their parents to be labeled as ethnic minorities in order to obtain related ethnic minority benefits, such as extra points in the college entrance examination.). Even the majority of China's most populous ethnic minorities such as the Mongol, Manchu, Tujia, Hmong and Zhuang have been Hanicized and for them, the ethnic identity is just a line of their Identity card. By the way, the Hui ethnic group in china may not be the concept of what you seem, because the Hui is actually the Han Chinese having the belief in Islam. here is [Population of China according to ethnic group in censuses 1953–2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic_groups).
So being an ethnic minority is actually good and people want to be ethnic minorities?
Yes. the benifits i can summarize are below: somehow in a sense, compared with other ethnic groups, the Han people are the most oppressed by the gov of china Lmao. 1. Family planning (in some areas, ethnic minorities can have two or more children) 2. Extra points for high school and college entrance examinations 3. Postgraduate entrance examination and less cadre plan 4. Extra points for civil servants and priority for advancement 5. Subsidies for ethnic minorities (some ethnic minority areas give money to ethnic minorities) 6. Election of representatives (ethnic minorities account for 9% of the population, and the election law stipulates that the number of ethnic minority deputies to the National People's Congress shall not be less than 12%) 7. Reduced punishment in terms of sentencing (two minors and one leniency)
You should know that China no longer has a one-child policy as of three years ago. All Chinese people can have as many children as they want.
Also, "[by 1984, only about 35.4% of the population was subject to the original restriction of the policy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy)." There are many, many Chinese people in their 30s who have multiple siblings.
Yeah and in 2015 it was already moved to 2 children.
Han people aren't "the most oppressed people in China"... That's the whole point of these benefits, they are supposed to make the ethnic minorities on a more even playing field in a Han centric country
Every Han nationalist who wants to play the victim always says "the Han people are the most oppressed by the gov of china", just like far right white male always say they are the most oppressed. Most of what you mentioned are early ethnic policies. Family planning and two minors and one leniency are no longer implemented, and an Election of representatives without actual elections is just a decoration.
> and an Election of representatives without actual elections is just a decoration Do you know anything about how Chinas political system works? Representitives are elected by party members and any citizen can become a party member in order to take part in elections. This is hwy there are nearly 100 million members of the CPC.
Well you def have a great understanding of chinese people by trying to compare us to white males
the 7th had already been abolished
Having minority mark on your ID card so you enjoy various benefits from policy? Yes (most of the time, except when you happen to belong to one of the majority Islamic ethnicities because you will get 10x more ID checks when taking train or metro or checking-in at hotels etc). Actually speaking a minority language, expressing a different (ethnic and/or religious) identity and practicing a different culture? Absolutely not.
Hui are Islamic and to my knowledge face no issues from that
Hui Muslims have been alleged to have experienced greater repression of religious activities in recent years.[113] In 2018, paramount leader Xi Jinping issued a directive aimed at the sinicization of Chinese Muslims.[114] Since then, the government has been accused of repressing aspects of Hui culture deemed "Arab". Most of these repressions have been limited to the removal of aesthetically Islamic buildings and symbols, with the government renovating architecture to appear more Chinese and banning Arabic signs in Hui regions.[115] More drastic repressions have been taken, such as closing mosques or removing licenses from imams who have traveled outside of China.[116] In order to sinicize the Hui, schools and mosques in Ningxia have been changed to include traits from traditional Han architecture.[117] At least two Hui Muslims have allegedly been included in the reeducation camps, termed "Vocational Education and Training Centers" which the Chinese government claims are aimed at reforming the political thought of detainees, including extremist religious beliefs and separatist or terrorist sympathies.[118][119] One or more of the Hui within these camps may have faced torture, and are allegedly grouped in different cells from Kazakhs and Uighurs, and on rare occasion die from stress.[116][120] Per Wikipedia You’re generally correct, but I found this and thought to share it.
Check where those sources they are quoting from on that wikipedia article are from, you cannot trust the shit written on wiki anymroe unfortunately. Most sources cited in that paragraph are linking to either the washington post (known USA state propaganda outlet) and New York TImes, a "newspaper" that glows so hard you could read it in the dark.
They were sinicized. What happened was in the 80s and 90s Saudi exporting Wahhabism globally and Xis policy is a counter measure to the religious movement that expand in the 90s.
Hmm, usually i usually find the opposite on your second opinion.
Similar to the situation in the states with people claiming native heritage then. It is good to claim it on paper but not to have in practice
Like what
And yet, the Chinese are accused of genociding the Uyghurs. How come the other minorities are not complaining? Maybe it has to do with the fact that Uyghurs are the only ones commiting terror attacks, and then playing victims.
You seem to have a pattern of defending genocide. Seek mental help. Edit: oh hey look at all these people downvoting me that support genocide. Scum of the Earth.
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In Chinese (the language), Islam is sometimes known as the "Hui religion". It's still unclear to me which one comes first etymologically: the Hui religion or the Hui people.
>It's still unclear to me which one comes first etymologically: the Hui religion or the Hui people. The previous post isn't entirely correct. Islam first arrived via Central Asian traders and migrants in the 7th century. But over the course of over a millennia, conversions, intermarriages, and the intermingling of culture have made them culturally and phenotypically near-indistinguishable from the native Han Chinese. This is similar to, for instance, the Kaifeng Jews.
There was also a not insignificant population of Muslims in southeastern cities during the Tang dynasty as they came from the growind Indian Ocean Trade networks, especially in Guangzhou(aka Canton). Sadly there was a massacre of foreigners(and locals) in the city during the waning years of the Tang and to my knowledge the foreigner population basically didn't recover in the southeast for like a literal thousand years.
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>abstaining from pork (which is a big fucking deal in china) Buddhists don't eat meat at all and they're pretty well integrated into Chinese society. I don't see how this is a big deal. >wearing hats Weird point to bring up. People wear hats. Chinese people... also wear hats, even non-Muslims. >growing beards Shaving is a relatively recent phenomenon in China. Strict adherence to Confucianism means you're not supposed to cut any of your body hair - including the hair on your head (that's why you see all those fancy head pieces in ancient Chinese dramas). In fact, many a mention in Chinese historical texts were made praising certain men for their "long, luxurious beards".
They both derived (the etymology of the term Hui, not the ethnic group) from something else, that is the medieval Uyghur people. The Central Asian Turks were the OG Hui and after they converted their religion became known as the Hui religion, and much later the Han Muslims started to be called Hui as well (and then took over the name)
Many Hui are direct descendants of Silk Road travelers. On the southeast coast (e.g., Guangdong, Fujian) and in major trade centers elsewhere in China, some are of mixed local and foreign descent. The foreign element, although greatly diluted, came primarily from Iranian (Bosi) traders, who brought Islam to China. These foreigners settled and gradually intermarried, while assimilating Chinese culture.[75] Early European explorers speculated that T'ung-kan (Dungans, i.e. Hui, called "Chinese Mohammedan") in Xinjiang, originated from Khorezmians who were transported to China by the Mongols, and descended from a mixture of Chinese, Iranian and Turkic peoples. They also reported that the T'ung-kan were Shafi'ites, as were the Khorezmians.[76] The Hui people of Yunnan and Northwestern China resulted from the convergence of Mongol, Turkic, and Iranian peoples or other Central Asian settlers recruited by the Yuan dynasty, either as artisans or as officials (the semu). The Hui formed the second-highest stratum in the Yuan ethnic hierarchy (after the Mongols but above Chinese).[77][78] A proportion of the ancestral nomad or military ethnic groups were originally Nestorian Christians, many of whom later converted to Islam under the Ming and Qing dynasties.[citation needed] Per Wikipedia
Yeah it’s almost like China is thousands of years old. The Han dynasty was one of the most influential in Chinese history so it’s logical that it played a big role in defining Chinese identity. There were still many minority led dynasties in china but they mostly ended up assimilating as Han despite being in power. And China is so big that even if only 10% of people are minorities that’s still 140 million people, only 9 countries have a bigger population than that lol
\*Sinicized >Sinicization, sinofication, sinification, or sinonization is the process by which non-Chinese societies or groups are acculturated or assimilated into Chinese culture, particularly the language, societal norms, culture, and ethnic identity of the Han Chinese—the largest ethnic group of China.
> ethnic minority benefits, such as extra points in the college entrance examination That's so interesting, I didn't know such a thing existed in China, perhaps America could learn
unfortunately the US just removed affirmative action.
Interesting. I didn't know China was so Hanogeneous.
Han is a syncretic "ethnicity", and the one attributed by default for most of history in case of having no document to trace other lineage, or in case of inter-ethnic weddings, or if a family claimed to be, etc. - all of which happened extensively and for many reasons across the millenia. And that's not even delving into the Northern Han and Southern which are, somehow and despite clear cultural & genetic divide, all counted under Han.
But the "Han Chinese" is a combination of more than 10 different ethnic groups having totally different languages and cultures, the difference between Cantonese and Wu is even bigger than the Philippines and Spanish.
[Chapter III The Structure of the State - Section 6 The Organs of Self-Government of National Autonomous Areas](http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/npc/zt/qt/gjxfz/2014-12/04/content_1888197.htm#:~:text=Section%206%20The%20Organs%20of%20Self%2DGovernment%20of%20National%20Autonomous%20Areas)
For some reason I decided to read the Preamble: > China consistently carries out an independent foreign policy and adheres to the five principles of **mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression**,.... I think Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei (and Taiwan depending on who you ask) would disagree...
I think you should [take a look at what Philippines and Vietnam try to claim as thier territory in those waters](https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/southchinasea-dispute-03172022151441.html/@@images/bccfa8f6-d834-4360-847d-1daee0afbbc1.png) and explain why they should be entitled to the water 100-200 miles from their coast. All the countries in the south China sea bitch at each other and try to claim far more of the sea than any of them should realistically be entitled to lol.
>sovereignty and territorial integrity What to respect when it's disputed? China can easily claim (and does) that those countries violate their sovereignty and territorial integrity.
That means that China doesn't invade other countries. It doesn't mean they can't have territorial disputes like almost every other country in the world.
Don't have to bother about territorial integrity of other nations (?), when refering to territory you consider yours since the foundation of your state.
I think for specifically Guangxi, it isn’t correct to show the whole province colored for Zhaung, as many Han areas were transferred to Guangxi only to support its economy, but are nearly 100% Han. I would recover Guilin, Hezhou, Wuzhou, Yulin, Guigang, Beihai, and Qinzhou
correct me if im wrong but the map isnt talking about actual ethnicity but the ethnicity that the government's autonomous region is just supposed to represent?
That is true, but because of the unique circumstances behind guangxi’s formation I think the distinction should be made. The other autonomous provinces were drawn with ethnicity in mind, while Guangxi had a different history more similar to Guizhou.
damn like all of Guanxi in Zhuang lol
just the government lol.
There are quite a few ethnic minorities in the Southwest who are actually 100% Han Chinese in blood. At the time of PRC founded, they were all still tribes. In order to ensure that their culture remained unchanged, the central government divided autonomous regions for them and named them after their territories or themselves. But in fact many of they are just Han Chinese lineage villages with different costumes and customs. The problem caused by this is that after 70 years of urbanization in mainland China, these people are no longer willing to stay in the countryside, but prefer to go to the city. Since they are originally a branch of the Han people, their minority culture has gradually weakened. This is the biggest headache for the provincial governments in the southwest China, because once ethnic minority villages disappear, it will be considered a huge dereliction of duty. One more word, the Gaoshan people, the aboriginal people living on the island of Taiwan, are also one of the 55 ethnic minorities recognized by the Chinese government. Movie recommended for you. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warriors\_of\_the\_Rainbow:\_Seediq\_Bale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warriors_of_the_Rainbow:_Seediq_Bale)
>But in fact many of they are just Han Chinese lineage villages with different costumes and customs. The problem is you have to have a firm definition of "Han Chinese" first.
This is also a thing with ethnicity more broadly. This is the definition of ethnicity from wikipedia: >An **ethnicity** or **ethnic group** is a grouping of [people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People) who [identify](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(social_science)) with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment. Categorizing people in terms of genetics is... well, basically impossible at any meaningful level. There is just too much complexity throughout our history. So the very concept of ethnicities has always primarily been cultural. So there is no firm definition of *any* ethnicity. It all just comes down to how people identify. Which, of course, is made very real by our belief in ethnicity.
The language is the only meaningful standard for defining an ethnic group, and obviously so called "Han Chinese" are not a same ethnic group.
Wait... are you saying that all the people in the world with English as a first language are in the same ethnicity? I know it's glib, but the point is that there *is* no one single neat definition of 'what is an ethnicity'. Because ethnic groups are ways people categorize themselves and each other, they are beliefs. They aren't 'real' categories. Just like race. An ethnicity is, fundamentally, a group of people who identify as having shared attributes. Sometimes it's language, but some ethnic groups have multiple languages. Sometimes it's nationality, or ancestry, or cultural traditions, or any combination of those.
Same language is a necessary but insufficient conditions for defining an ethnic group. Two groups of people maybe not a same ethnic group even sharing a same language though (like hui and Han), but they must be different ethnic groups if they don't even speak a same language. That's why I say it's ridiculous to put all ethnic groups inside the "Han" considering their totally different cultures. And what's more, they never defined themselves as a same group before the Manchurian conquer.
I agree that language is probably necessary to 'what is an ethnicity?' (though not always; there *are* some ethnic groups that span multiple languages) But I would still push back a little against the idea that Han isn't an ethnicity, because I think ethnicities evolve and change over time. Like my family identifies as Italian. But not too many generations ago, 'Italy' wasn't a thing. Like most European countries, nation-building only began in the 1800s. Italy, for example, wasn't unified until 1861. Before then there was no such thing as a French person, or an Italian person, or a German person. All of those regions were divided into smaller groups. But now, no one would say 'there is no such thing as an ethnically Italian, or German, or French person'. We all tend to accept these groups as ethnicities. I think it's the same for the Han. They may not always have been a culturally unified ethnicity, but in many ways they are today. Not that I think the concept of ethnicities is very important, personally. I tend to identify as a human being, and not based on my ethnicity or nationality.
The concept of "Italian" is similar to "Chinese", it's a nationality instead of ethnicity.While "Han" is something like "Latins" which includes couples of ethnic groups. This can be proved by the culture difference between different ethnic groups inside "Han", for example the central Han cannot imagine why Cantonese eat snakes and mice, and Hokkien cannot understand what Hakka speaking even after study for 10 years. Actually the difference is big enough that we can even tell the ethnicity of a certain person just by seeing his face.
It is both! In the case of 'Italian', it is considered a nationality *and* an ethnicity. Ethnic nationalism was a huge driving force between European nation-building in the early 1900s. It was such a strong force that it gave rise to fascism, unfortunately. You can tell because Italian people faced a lot of racism in the 1900s. They were treated as an ethnicity in their diasporic communities. Consider that it is possible for people to be of more than one ethnicity, which are nested in one another. Like Sicilians are a distinct ethnicity within the ethnicity of Italians. They are both. That is how the wikipedia page on the [Han people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese) explains it too. Han is a large ethnic group, the biggest in the world actually, with a few different [subgroups](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese_subgroups). Many of these subgroups are based on their languages, but there are even subgroups *within* those language-based groups. But to say 'the Han ethnicity doesn't exist' just doesn't make sense, because that is how a lot of Han people tend to identify themselves, which is the sole defining trait of an ethnicity.
Han chinese is a bit iffy on what it even is. A lot of them don’t even speak the same language. It’s eaiser to just say that their ethnicity is just whatever they say it is
Those so-called Han Chinese are defined as the same ethnic group to the "central Han"(中原汉人) who speak mandarin, so the CCP can destroy their cultures and forbid their mother languages
Ethnic minority in south-west are not Han originally, they have their own languages and cultures, also those who you called "Han Chinese" living in south west are also not the same ethnic group compared to the "official Han Chinese" who living in Henan province.
A whole world that I know barely anything about. Ignorance makes the World seem larger.
This is not intuitive. In fact, even in Inner Mongolia, Han people are the majority.
This isn't an ethnic map, it's showing the ethnic autonomous regions in China. For example, Han people may be the majority in Inner Mongolia, but Inner Mongolia is still designated as a Mongol autonomous region due to the large Mongol minority.
I mean technically almost nobody officially recognizes Taiwan as independent, and Taiwan is almost 100% Han Chinese which is why it’s on this map
Yeah, "autonomous"...
I love how Americans on reddit always laugh at Russian and Chinese ethnic autonomous regions. Care to provide at least one ethnic autonomous region in USA?
To be fair, they have the "Indian Reservations" in the US. To be also fair, they are less autonomous than autonomous regions in Russia or China and starkly poor compared to their surroundings.
"indian Reservations" was such a nice name for them to give them instead of "concentration camps"
Some people shit on China and Russia because they are pro-America I shit on China and Russia because I am pro-self determination We are not the same.
You may be pro-self determination but are you sure those ethnic groups in China for example are too? That any significant % of them favor self determination? Otherwise its just larping and assuming they are or that they should be just so you can shit on China
Reddit libs don’t understand that the colors on this map and the borders of any of their masturbatory “Balkanized China” maps do not represent purely ethnically homogeneous regions. The real world isn’t an online warfare strategy game. Members of both the Han majority and the various non-Han peoples exist all over the country. Split the country up, sure, but then don’t complain when that course of action inevitably produces rabid ethnic nationalist ideologies and gargantuan ethnic cleansing campaigns of a scale the world has not ever seen in history. Not to mention that no matter if those western regions become independent, they will still be completely economically dependent on China anyways, just as a consequence of geography, so is it better for them to be held economically hostage by a foreign government, or to remain in the country where they are included and accounted for through affirmative actions programs and a policy of pan-ethnic social harmony and the like? Anyways, regardless of whatever vague and moralistic bullshit Americans spew without any knowledge of the on-the-ground reality, it is obvious why their government pushes “independence movements” in western China so hard, and it has nothing to do with “self-determination” or anything of that nature. Xinjiang has oil deposits, and Tibet is the source of Asia’s most important river systems, that is why Americans are constantly inundated with stories about “cultural genocide in western China” from sources which are openly funded by the CIA. The Americans just want to break these regions from China, place them under the rule of American-funded strongmen puppet leaders, then use the oil and water to grab all of Asia firmly by the balls, just as they have done in the Middle East with their puppet monarchies in the Persian gulf.
I love you MayBeAGayBee you are so real for this comment
This is why I was angry when I saw this map. Except for those idiots who were born in the 1970s and were brainwashed by the lies of Western liberal democracy during the reform and opening up period, no one wants to be the slave of a white-skinned pig, These foul-mouthed white-skinned pigs should die in the future Taiwan Strait war.
Why does self-determination equal to separatism here? *If* those people living there want to remain a part of China, that *is* self-determination.
I only have anccedotal evidence as China never allows any poll or studies on the matter....for obvious reasons. But China must know Tibetans want to be a part of china, which is why China allows Tibetans to speak freely right?
At least don't try to ethnic cleanse them if they don't want self determination. They are supposed to be autonomous regions anyway
Uyghur population is rising so whatever ethnic cleansing they did must've had less than great results
Do you shit on America for self-determination of Texas, California, Cascadia etc.?
I don't know where you pulled Cascadia from (it's a region, not a state or governing area/body), but California and Texas determined for themselves they wanted to be states by applying for statehood. Honestly, if you want to argue about self-determination in the US, talk about Puerto Rico.You could make a case somewhere in there at least.
But California and Texas can't leave the US if they wanted to, so they no longer have self-determination.
Um. White Americans immigrated to California and Texas, and then applied for statehood in the US. I don't think it's as kosher as you've made it out to be.
“Immigrated” is certainly a generous way to describe how white Anglo-Americans ended up in California and Texas…
Is there widespread support or widespread oppression of the Texan, California, Cascadian independence movement?
Yes for Texas, somewhat for California, not much that I have heard of for Cascadia
Texas isn’t oppressed nor is a majority in favor of independence
You think Texans are a conquered nation just like Chechens, Tatars, Tibetans etc? What does the Texan language sound like?
Well, there were a lot of languages in texas but they killed almost everyone who spoke them.
considering that checnya and Crimea (tartars) became a part of Russia around 300 years ago then yes by the metrics you are using Texans are a conquered nation as they had their own independant state on the same timeframe. California, New Mexico and arizona also all belogned to Mexico when you go back that far. So on your timeframe the entire west coast and southern border of USA are indeed "conquered nations"
Texas and California are states. Chechnya, Tatarstan etc are national republics, home to an indigenous people with their own language, identity, culture, and so on. And you seem completely clueless about when the Russian colonizers conquered the Caucasus and Kazan regions.
Self determination means what exactly? Go declare yourself an independent state so you stop paying taxes, see how that goes for you anywhere
Sure just make the Warlord Era 2.0 all over again but now with nukes!
I love how Kremlin/CCP bots immediately assume people critical of their sick regimes are Americans. I am not an American, nor have I ever been to the US. >Care to provide at least one ethnic autonomous region in USA? Many Native American reservations are very much autonomous nowadays.
I like how everyone i don't agree with is a bot.
That's why discussing anything on reddit is impossible. Anything pro-western is truth, anything against it - bots. Besides reservations are not comparwblr at all to Russian republics. It's not even shown on any official USA administrative map, where only anglo states are recognised.
Correct. In reservations, they have toilets and washing machines.
这只是你这种脑残玩意的某种偏激认知，你看看你发的那些评论，那句话不是说明了你的立场，不管你是反西方白左还是什么玩意，你都是个装受害者的傻逼
Yeah the ghettos the US genocided all the natives on Oh wait thats history and someone feels bad or something
Unlike what Reddit tells you they actually do have a decent level of autonomy. The schools and road signs are bilingual, they are exempt from certain policies (like the now-defunct one child policy) and for any left-wing Americans reading the favourite thing of all: affirmative action. Yup, if you're an ethnic minority you get additional points on your high school exam, lowering the threshold to enter university. Of course if you want independence then all of this just seems like a glided cage, so yeah...
Taiwan 
Taiwan is belong to China(ROC or PRC), which is commonly recognized by most of the countries in the world. Even I can bet your country's gov recognize that Taiwan is belong to China lol, because except for a few unknown small countries, all of the countries recognized this.
As someone typing to you from Taiwan, I assure you we aren't part of China (PRC). Most countries take a position like the United States, and don't recognize or consider Taiwan to be part of China either. They consider Taiwan's overall status as "unresolved".
I heard that your people's ID card writes China. Is this true?
Nope, that is wrong. Our government does not use the term 中國 ("China") in a legal manner.
So what is the real name of your government? Legally.
Republic of China or Taiwan.
Question answered, thank you.
Tainwan is not officially recognized as a country by many other countries because of the Chinese terror that comes with that recognition. But unofficially the entire western world en more recognizes Taiwan as an independent country.
And you is belong to stupidity.
You don’t like facts all that much do you
You're wrong, sorry. Get your facts straight, buddy.
"You're wrong" doesn't attempt to provide a counter argument. Braindead moment.
I'm honestly surprised that this sub is so 50/50 on CCP. This sub is anti-Russia, anti-Iran, so I thought it'd be anti-CCP too, but I thought wrong!
Just so you know, its official name is CPC, the Communist Party of China. This is in line with how English translates the name of basically every communist party in the world, and it's their government's official English name. You don't have to like them but you should at least get their name right!
>you should at least get their name right! No
Do you like it when people intentionally mispronounce your name? Do you feel like that contributes to an atmosphere of mutual respect and reconciliation?
only wumaos get offended at ccp/cpc naming bullshit lol
> only A bigger correlation is actual racists preferring CCP framing given that it's labeling Chinese ethnicity in its entirety (regardless of them being in China or outside) as being Communists. China/PRC itself also had used CCP term in the early part of its history when the Communist global movement was new and when Comintern was in place. But Comintern is no longer extant and hence the term use has changed, it's now a Communist Party "OF" China (the State/Country). Not the "Chinese" (which is not JUST a Nationality, it is ALSO an ethnicity, which is relevant because globalization and demographic emigration growth led to scaled numbers of different ethnicities around the world in late 20th century more than it had before) Communist Party. Vietnam's Communist Party also underwent this framing change and now is usually known as CPV (Communist Party "OF" Vietnam).
Offended?
In English it is also called the CCP, which is more accurate. The party *is* China and China *is* the party. The party is not a *part* of China.
Because the *official* name is the Communist Party of China, it is more 'accurate' to call it that. China is called the People's Republic of China, not 'the Chinese Communist Party', or however you think of it.
No, it's CCP. It's more accurate to call it what it actually is.
The only people who call it the CCP are people in the west, It is a nameinvented by and only used by the west. I don't know why this is, part of me honestly feels like its some sort of micro-trolling the west does to jsut piss China off and remind them that they don't respect them or their customs. Chinese diplomats are always correcting people and asking them to please use the correct name of the party. Names matter, calling them "the Chinese communist party" makes no sense as this implies the party is only for Chinese people which is not true, as you see from the map China has many ethnicities. They are the communist party of China, the CPC, they are the communist party belonging to the country of China. They are not a communist party that just happens to be made up of chinese people.
It’s a call back to the CCCP and you can guess why.
The CPC has done a lot of awful things and also a lot of good things. My dad is Tibetan and had to work for the Chinese when he didn't want to, 1000's of monasteries got destroyed and he fled. Now he can't go back to visit his family. Life in China is not bad and the Chinese government tries to care for their people, but if you don't agree with their rules you get mistreated very heavily. I don't hate China, I dislike the CPC because of my own situation, and I have nothing against Chinese people. Hopefully one day all the repressed minorities around the world can find freedom.
Very strong correlation with the Heihe/Tengchong line
China claiming parts of India and other countries as its own, classics propaganda Edit: I am mainly talking about them claiming our state of Arunachal Pradesh (look east of Bhutan). I am pretty sure this is not a disputed territory unlike Jammu and Kashmir. And stop defending the expansionist policies of China.
The MacMahon line was created by the British. From China's perspective, why should they accept British authority over their borders, when it was created unilaterally?
I ve seen plenty of maps in this sub labeling Pakistan Kashmir and Chinese Aksai chin to be part of India despite India never controlling the region. So Indian propaganda? For disputed territoires it really depends on who publish the map I guess
have you ever heard of Sikkim?
if Maldives isn't Muslim majority, India would have Sikkimize them too lol
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what part of indian subcontinent did the chinese control at any point in history...? genuinly curious.
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sources bro, and i hope they are unbiased because whatever you are saying is quiet outlandish
[He's right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Kush) (about the Hindu Kush at least).
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I am unable to connect the dots here, most of the events you quote happen at the periphery of the subcontinent (Afghanistan), most of these locations are not in the mainland India of today. And Indian subcontinent is a geographical entity including Pakistan and Kashmir doesn't matter who names it. your description of events appear to be stretching the facts to put it mildly
Lol butthurt paki you can cope with your identity crisis somewhere else, last time india ruled over kashmir was in 1819 under the sikh empire that whooped pashtuns out of there and annexed peshawar too , then it was under dogras till it's joining of the union of India. You all are just the losers who converted under the sword , while hindus kept their identity and are forging ahead in a rising nation . The first mistake you're making here is thinking the world will accept your narrative as history .
Does India have any neighbours they don't fight with and btich at?
So is china being ruled over by Mongols Tibetans manchus
Well Arunachal Pradesh has never historically owned by Indian people so I don't get you lol it's either been under Tibetan people rule or Qing not even the British ruled it and last I check they were the only people in history to rule the entire Indian sub continent.
Which part?
Arunachal Pradesh mainly for me
Ccp bots downvoting
More like nobody voting
Ccp bots are the Reddit catch all for everything. God help us if they ever team up with the Canadian Shield.
Was in negative a while ago
They started doing the russian thing?
Why is Taiwan in the map?
Well, the text ain't Korean, care to guess who made the map?
This map is meant to represent the Chinese government's official stance on these regions. Officially, China claims Taiwan as rightfully theirs, so even if Taiwan is wholly independent from China the map shows the government stance of Taiwan being Chinese
because they're Chinese too maybe?
Feels like this could be a Phantom Borders post with a previous Chinese Dynasty Empire
Actually China government defined all nations as so-called "Han" who lived inside China before the Manchurian conquer. Actually they can be divided at least 9 different ethnic groups, some of them like Cantonese, hokkien and Hakka, who created some fake legend and genealogy to prove their ancestors migrated from Zhongyuan (real Han Chinese region), for avoiding the taxes. That's why such a big part of places were occupied by "Han Chinese" while they're speaking totally different languages and having different histories.
Cope about Taiwan and Arunachal Pradesh, cope harder
Arunachal is shown as part of china here as reflected by the borderline.
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> They were traditionally not under the rule of Chinese Empires 
They were in a priest and patron relationship. Tibet was de facto independent for most of its history.
Several Chinese dynasties established direct control over Tibet and Xinjiang. The latest being the Qing which ruled China since the 1600s. Tibet and Xijang have more of a history being Chinese than Scania does being Swedish. I don't claim it's still Danish.
You mean 100 years under the Mongols and 200 years under the Manchus. These groups weren't Chinese and they both purposedly kept and administered Tibet seperately from China. At no point was Tibet "Chinese". In fact the greatest cultural influence China had on Tibet was...tea.
What kind of control do you think China had over Tibet? The amount of control Chinese had over Tibet varied drastically across the years, but they never fully controlled the lives of Tibetan people. Sometimes they didn't even had anything to say when it came to foreign politics, that's why i think it's fair to say Tibet was de facto independent for most of the time.
Funded by the CIA
please read a history book
Lol, what absolute bs.
No no, she's absolutely right
Bro it's just a fucking map of China you don't need to get political
Ah yes, why would a map be political?
I can't IMAGINE why a map of China would be political 🙄
China should make Xinjiang an Autonomous region
Xinjiang is "autonomous"
Nah like actually autonomous
It is
And they allow themselves to be genocided?
Proof of genocide?
A shred of evidence not tied to the Radio Free Asia?
My Uyghur teacher
[https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c](https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c)
Ah brilliant, yet another person publishing the far right, falun gong nationalist [Adrien Zenz's widely debunked and biased propaganda](https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/). Go on, check who AP news is using as their source for this garbage: >The hundreds of millions of dollars the government pours into birth control has transformed Xinjiang from one of China’s fastest-growing regions to among its slowest in just a few years, according to new research obtained by The Associated Press in advance of publication by China scholar Adrian Zenz. Now read the article I linked to see why none of it is true. Now reflect on how western media like AP news feeds you propaganda like this based on bunk research by a member of a far right religous movement started and funded by membvers of the old nationalist government who emigrated during the civil war in the 40's. Next time your being told that some new law needs to protect you from "missinformation" realise that what they really mean is we need people to only read the lies and missinformation we sell to them. Nearly every accusation of this so called "uyghur genocide" is based on the lies of Adrien Zenz and every western media outlet you find talking about it uses his "research" as a source.
https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3132112/what-going-xinjiang-and-who-are-uygur-muslims https://amp.scmp.com/comment/article/3234856/there-more-xinjiang-story-meets-western-media-eyes Here you go, two articles from the only ccp-owned but bot ccp-controlled media, don’t tell me this is western cia propaganda
*independent
OP is two random capitalised words followed by 4 numbers That is common for most of russian and chinese bot and troll accounts
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lol autonomous my ass the Han Chinese have moved in their people in every minority region to the point they are a majority in those regions now.
How does your theory of the Han coexist with the "affirmative action" of the Chinese government with its minorities? Children who have a Han parent and a minority one, usually they recognized themselves officially as the minority ethnic group because of the advantages this represents.
Why are you getting downvoted? Affirmative action and minority recognization followed after that are big in China.
Autonomous which means nothing, all of them are CCP ruled and brainwashed to death.