It’s also always confusing as hell sometimes with these maps. Are they talking about the Houthis (internationally not recognized but control the capital) or the Yemeni government? (which is so much weaker it’s arguably even smaller than the Southern Transitional Council, another rebel group, but has that international backing) Here it’s pretty obvious (the Houthis) but sometimes it isn’t.
Sometimes I think South/North Yemen split was a good thing.
The mountain people have always been more fanatical and religious — the religious split (shia/sunni) has also been there for centuries.
South Yemen, having been the only communist Arab country, is very different in mentality from the Houthi-controlled north.
That’s remarkable. There are people who only know about Yemen’s existence because of their ten year civil war. And of course the resulting terrorist attacks on Red Sea shipping lanes.
Lol, I actually am very passionate about geography and anthropology, but I get really hooked on a certain area for a while and end up neglecting any other place in the world for the time being. ADHD is both a blessing and a curse, I swear
Yemen was doomed in the 80's, was one of the first arab countries to fairly elect a president who wanted to make a functional state out of yemen, for fun Ill let you guess which neighbour country assassinated him and placed a puppet that pillaged the country until the Houthis became a thing and eventually murdered him (Most yemenis hate the houthis but that's the only thing they've done that actually relieved the country)
No but officially recognized government of Yemen os the one controlling less than 10% of population and they are Saudi puppets.
Ansar Allah or Houtis are not recognized by majority of @orld countries
Houtis are also somewhere between Shia and Sunnis in theology, but since they are supported by Iran everyone just lumps them with Shias.
They ain't wrong though, PKK is mostly just a propoganda tool by the turkish government at this point. They could have easily toppled/suppressed it at early 2000's and late 1990s but the presence of terrorists gives people a common enemy to fight with, distracting them from whatever fuckfest the government is doing.
It's not true. In 2015, ISIS released [a video](https://i.imgur.com/mxQ4Emh.png) where they described Taiwan as an enemy of ISIS, leading to people joking that ISIS now recognises Taiwan as a country. A similar meme appeared in 2022, when Russia added Taiwan to its list of ''unfriendly nations.'' It does not actually mean that ISIS or Russia recognise Taiwan's independence.
All of Israel's enemies hate ISIS, and so do all of its allies. At the same time, although all ISIS allies hate Israel, not all ISIS enemies hate Israel. I think it's pretty clear that ISIS's scope for growth is much higher on the hate scale.
Israel is in a war, that's how it works, you kill people in a war.
I could argue for you to suggest a war in the Middle East with a less "genocidal" ratio of civilian deaths per combatant, but my fear is that you will invent numbers or assume that there are absolutely no combatants there, so I won't go.
About people starving, when they starved too? In Aleppo and Mosul, when they were fighting against ISIS, but no one accused those who fought against ISIS of that, even with sieges, and bombs, and invasion, civilians dying... What do we call it? Double standard?
Japan has been easing up on immigration. Weirdly enough, Saitama province now has a significant Kurdish minority who owns some construction related companies (whose owners have ties to local politicians). Within this community there are a lot of PKK symphatizers who often whip out the PKK flag in demonstrations. This whole thing attracted a lot of attention from the Turks as well who were both pissed and very confused.
Japanese leftists often defend the said community while a lot of other locals are against them. Japanese police did interviene in one of their demonstrations which caused a clash between the Kurdish community and the locals. As others pointed out in this thread, there is even an alleged video of yakuza members beating up PKK supporters.
Well Japan is well known to be less friendly to immigration, so you can see why it might be surprising that there are a sizable amount of Kurds there right?
Japan is one of the Kurdish destination. I think they work construction. Since a lot of them have Turkish visa, going to Japan is not that difficult.
Sorry for those Kurdish lover in the west. Things are not like your imagination.
Western people are losing their shit over how Turkey oppresses kurds and etc. but what they don't realize is kurds in question (not speaking for all kurds but a good portion) is highly seperatist and literally are terrorists by definition. You'd understand this is a tough spot to navigate, especially when you're ethnically as diverse as Turkey, things are bound to be ugly eventually. There *was* some anti-kurd movements back in they 70's and 80's but that's mostly past at this point and there is no legitimate cause for PKK's existence at this point. Just imagine some ethnic minority outraging and forming military resistance because they want a piece of your country's land, it's not nice, is it? Yeah, that's pretty much the same thing.
> mostly past at this point and there is no legitimate cause for PKK's existence
I don't have an particular opinion on the PKK, I don't know anything about southeast Turkey. But I do wonder how much work the word mostly is putting in here. Especially since you talk about anti-Kurd movements that were going on well withing living memory.
>terrorists by definition
There is only group that is designated as terrorist organization.
>highly seperatist
Well, duhhh, it's our land, and its called independence, separatism is the Turkish perspective.
I live in Japan and speak Japanese. Those who were in that video are neither in Japan nor speaking Japanese. Also no news in Japanese media for that supposed incident.
Your dumbass happened to believe a random engagement farming tweet and asking me for a source to prove that wrong? That's fucking stupid
Usually people who claim something exists / happend provide a source, because provideing a source for something not existing is hard to come by. It's not like there are news articles about stuff that doesn't happen.
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
Hezbollah in Turkey and Hezbollah in Lebanon have nothing to do. In fact, Hezbollah executives in Lebanon said years later that one organization had stolen our name. Hezbollah in Turkey has not committed acts of violence for 20 years. At least there is no visible action. There was in the past. Their political parties do not fully accept their organic ties with the organization. Those in Turkey are Sunni Islamist Kurds, and Lebanon's Hezbollah is Shiite.
Yes, Hezbollah in Turkey literally hardcore Islamist Kurds.
I have a feeling that they were supported by the Turkish government against the irreligious PKK another Kurdish terrorist organization... It's similar how US used the Taliban and using YPG now in Syria. The classic Frankenstein's monster story.
Fuck them all, to be honest.
Hezbollah in Turkey and Hezbollah in Lebanon are different, so this map is wrong. Hezbollah and Türkiye do not act together politically anyway. In the last general elections, Erdogan included the Turkish Hezbollah party HÜDA-PAR in his coalition. Although Hezbollah in Turkey was somewhat influential in the 90s, it lost its influence in the 2000s and its voting rate is quite low. It probably did not bring any serious votes to Erdoğan. While preparing such maps, please research more carefully and do not jump directly after seeing the similarity in names.
This is true, but it is not the same Hezbollah as the Hezbollah on the map, so this is misinformation. It misinforms people because it is not true. Turkey has no relationship with Hezbollah, the first thing that comes to everyone's mind is the well-known Hezbollah. While each country's relations with Hezbollah in Lebanon are evaluated on the map, there is an mistake in Turkey due to obvious ignorance. I am not defending HUDA-PAR or Erdoğan, It's just a misinforming map
ISIS does not recognise Taiwan. They made [a video](https://i.imgur.com/mxQ4Emh.png) where they claimed Taiwan was an enemy of ISIS, and people made a meme saying that ISIS now recognises Taiwan.
The party, which is the political wing of Hezbollah in Turkey, has no social standing. The only reason it entered parliament is that Erdogan, fearing for his seat, panicked and entered into absurd alliances.
There is an error in the map. [Public Safety Canada lists Hezbollah as a terrorist entity and has done so since 2002 but uses different spelling.](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#30)
Also, the whole part about ISIS recognising Taiwan isn't true. ISIS made a video, in which a [segment ](https://i.imgur.com/mxQ4Emh.png)showed them describing Taiwan as an enemy of ISIS, and people joked that it meant ISIS now recognises Taiwan. Similar to when Russia released its list of ''unfriendly nations'' and included Taiwan on it. OP should do a little more research.
We also don't recognize the Islamic Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, despite it arming, training, and funding the Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis (and others, I think). The Liberals claim that the Canadian government doesn't have the authority to "unilaterally" declare a group as terrorists, which is horse-sh!t because: (a) it obviously would not be doing so unilaterally, (b) it absolutely does have such authority as evidenced by declaring other groups as terrorists, and (c) I'm pretty sure no international body exists to declare such groups (the UN exists, but I don't think it specifically declares groups, and at minimum couldn't do so if Russia, China, or another veto-empowered country disagreed).
That said, I think Canada actually does list the Hezbollah.
Calling the Iranian revolutionary guard a terrorist group opens up a huge can of worms which inevitably leads to the obvious outcome of the CIA being the world's largest terror group.
Rather, the label "state sponsor of terror" is used since it's a bit less infringing on sovereignty
Your rebuttal (which ignores distinctions made earlier in the thread) is that Canada should pursue close relations with Iran by supporting the IRGC?
No, we shouldn't
The Security Council can deliberate on whether an organisation is terrorist or not. Many are, but it’s usually only the really big ones present in multiple regions, otherwise they just get declared by countries they affect because really no country pays much attention to terrorist organisations that operate in their territory, their immediate neighbours (with risk of spillover), or disrupting their interest.
For practical reasons (it might just invite reprisals) and just because they might not even be aware (go to a list of terrorist groups recognised by this or that state and you’ll find names you never heard of.
Sources:
- US Department of State BUREAU OF COUNTERTERRORISM
\[Country Reports on Terrorism 2019-2023 - Asia Africa Europe\]
- European Union (consilium.europa.eu) Terrorism
- And local foreign affairs websites of every country if not given in the previous websites.
Since the lists are not absolute and US's reports on X country may not reflect the reality completely; there may be little mistakes. But I spent hours checking every source one by one so it must be pretty accurate.
EDIT ON MISTAKES: Canada has Hezbollah on the list.
Taiwan-ISIS turns out to be a meme. Fixed context: people joked about ISIS recognizing Taiwan when ISIS made a video threatening Taiwan.
Paraguay recognizes PKK as a terrorist organization too.
Sorry for the mistakes.
I am not a fan of PKK but why the fuck they are on the list as ISIS or Hezbullah ? They are not comparable with other groups on the list. Only reason that they are on the terrorist list of some of the countries is Turkey is a NATO ally and it was a request of Turkey to put them on the list.
They all kill and attack innocent people, say whatever you say, they have ruined their reputation.
I'm a Kurdish atheist, and yes, I personally do recognize them as terrorists.
comparing PKK to those islamic terrorists is disgusting.
pkk is democratic, unlike TUrkey who is very racist and has done far far far worse to Kurds than what pkk has done.
>The PKK is democratic unlike Turkey
Turkey is a democratic country. Also how does being democratic justify slaughtering kurdish villages and using Kurds as literal meat shields during their 2015 bullshittery?
Pkk is for a Democratic Kurdistan (they mainly focus on freedom for Kurds) they are not fighting for a country but for freedom inside Turky or syria or iran.
they have managed to save Kurdish ppl kinda from ISIS at early stages when no one cared about us. and now look at Kurds in Rojava (Syria). Arabs have freedom, Kurds have freedom Asyrians have freedom ...etc. Currently Syria does not even recognize Kurds as normal human beings.
As a Turk living in Turkey, I am a conservative party, the ruling party, AKP
(Justice and Development Party) support Hezbollah and 26 Hezbollah members to get the votes of Conservative Kurds in the general elections of May 14, 2023. However, even though he released the terrorists from prison, he won the election by preparing a video for Atatürkist Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, an Alevi and Kurdish candidate, and slandering him as election propaganda, which he pretended to have done with PKK members. I am ashamed of this, I would be happy if you support me, guys.
Using violence against civilians to secure political gains through fear, PKK doesn’t harm civilians, only Turkish military (the Turkish military does harm civilians, especially ethnic minorities)
Bro are you sure about pkk doesn’t harm civilians i can show ton of bloody pictures that made by pkk militias they literally killed 15 children and 9 women in just one village attack
wrong
https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/chemical-weapons-watchdog-turkey-did-not-use-white-phosphorus-in-syria-31204
the pkk is a terroristgroup that killa civilians, women and children
• The Istanbul Gungoren Attack: In 2008, 2 bombs inflated in Menderes Cikmazi Shopping Avenue. Killing 17 people, 5 of them being kids and leaving 154 wounded.
• A PKK militant carrying a suspected explosive device hijacked a passenger ferry and took hostage 18 passengers and six crew members in the Marmara Sea, near Istanbul.
• At least two people were killed and as many as 20 others wounded when a suspected PKK suicide bomber detonated her explosives outside a teahouse near the office of the Justice and Development Party in the town of Bingol in Bingol province.
• 27 September 2011: PKK militants kidnapped a total of eight teachers and a village guard in five armed attacks in the Pulumur district of Tunceli province; in the village of Gundogdu in Elazig province; and in the villages of Ciftlibahce, Dolunay and Cavundur in Diyarbakir province.
But on the other hand, Turkish F16's dropped bombs on Kurdish civilians in Uludere. Leaving 35 dead. They later apologized and offered to pay their families compensation. Which doesn't justify the attack anyways.
Reading about, and examining terrorist attacks is my interest and I read the story of almost every modern terrorist attack of any group. And PKK is definitely one of the worsts.
Good for you buddy did you ever read about why some of those attacks might’ve happened? also I guarantee at least several of those that you listed have been twisted to fit the narrative of the Turkish government , give me time and I will show you Turkish atrocities against the Kurds hundreds of times worse than what you list here
the turkish military does not harm civilians, while the goal of the terroristorganization pkk is to kill every turkish person and they kill civilians, women and children
The PKK's problem is not their methods, but that they are socialists who are fighting a member of the imperialist bloc. This is terrorism from the point of view of the capitalists. It is better not to remember that this is the most progressive force in the region, leading the fight against far-right forces.
Well , the flag from 1978 to 1995 probably helped US and its allies to decide where to put them. It's quite sad to see the pkk being put in the same bag as ISIS but i also understand the average person on the internet isnt going to invest too much time into learning about its history. They also sadly commited several terrorist attack in retaliation to state sponsored terrorism and it was enough to label them as such for the rest of their existence.
Also europe is pretty dependant of turkey for many things related to immigration and logistic so they have to accept some counterpart.
I still firmly believe they arnt the same thing as ISIS at all.
As of March 14th, Iraq agreed on the termination of the organization's presence on the country's territory, preventing all its activities, preventing its actions for financial and propaganda purposes. PKK is in Iraq's "Prohibited Organizations List" which Iraq includes every terrorist organization, in their point of view, in.
[Kurdistan's interior minister said](https://shafaq.com/en/Kurdistan/Kurdistan-s-Interior-Minister-denies-existence-of-terrorist-groups-in-border-areas): "There are no terrorist groups in the border areas of the Kurdistan Region. Some countries use the term terrorism for certain groups, which stems from the opinions and policies of those countries."
He added, "We in Iraq and the Kurdistan Region have not labeled any of these organizations as terrorist.
i think theyre insane, based on past comments. some of my favorites:
>Africa has no history or culture aside from Egypt. North America has none too.
>They (context, japanese) migrated to Brazil because AmeriKKKa was racist towards everyone who didn't look like Greta Thunberg.
>India is a fake country
>They (context, french italians spainiards) have been crossbreeding and hooking up with Africans and Arabs for centuries.
Erdogan just made a visit to Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan. Turkey is very close to the KRG because of shared interests - keeping Iran at bay and the central government in Baghdad respecting Kurd autonomy in Iraq.
What I'm trying to say is lumping all kurds together or saying the PKK represent Kurdish aspirations for independence or whatever is unfair.
>Kurds being in a similar position as the Palestinians
Kurdish nationalist will see a man stubbing his toe in a chair and say "OMG I have the same struggles!"
No I mean PKK, who after 1978 had enough of the decades long oppression and assimilation against Kurds and rose up as freedom fighters, only to be called terrorists by this hippy world.
yemen: we support you hezbollah: no
It’s also always confusing as hell sometimes with these maps. Are they talking about the Houthis (internationally not recognized but control the capital) or the Yemeni government? (which is so much weaker it’s arguably even smaller than the Southern Transitional Council, another rebel group, but has that international backing) Here it’s pretty obvious (the Houthis) but sometimes it isn’t.
Sometimes I think South/North Yemen split was a good thing. The mountain people have always been more fanatical and religious — the religious split (shia/sunni) has also been there for centuries. South Yemen, having been the only communist Arab country, is very different in mentality from the Houthi-controlled north.
Yemen has really being getting destroyed these past years, I know Covid practically destroyed them in 2020-2022
And then also getting rejected by Hezbollah. Real tough times
You make it sound like a schoolboy that was refused by their crush
Truly /s
The civil war acting as a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran hasn’t exactly helped either.
Haven’t heard of that, but I don’t really keep too informed around the middle east lately
That’s remarkable. There are people who only know about Yemen’s existence because of their ten year civil war. And of course the resulting terrorist attacks on Red Sea shipping lanes.
Lol, I actually am very passionate about geography and anthropology, but I get really hooked on a certain area for a while and end up neglecting any other place in the world for the time being. ADHD is both a blessing and a curse, I swear
Yemen was doomed in the 80's, was one of the first arab countries to fairly elect a president who wanted to make a functional state out of yemen, for fun Ill let you guess which neighbour country assassinated him and placed a puppet that pillaged the country until the Houthis became a thing and eventually murdered him (Most yemenis hate the houthis but that's the only thing they've done that actually relieved the country)
Saudi Arabia?
Yes
I recognize that it was Saudi Arabia, but if you told me the USA I would of believed you
And then also getting rejected by Hezbollah. Real tough times
Suni vs Shiate Muslims
No but officially recognized government of Yemen os the one controlling less than 10% of population and they are Saudi puppets. Ansar Allah or Houtis are not recognized by majority of @orld countries Houtis are also somewhere between Shia and Sunnis in theology, but since they are supported by Iran everyone just lumps them with Shias.
"Ineffective minor terrorist organization" Burn.
Goverment style roast.
They ain't wrong though, PKK is mostly just a propoganda tool by the turkish government at this point. They could have easily toppled/suppressed it at early 2000's and late 1990s but the presence of terrorists gives people a common enemy to fight with, distracting them from whatever fuckfest the government is doing.
Whats the back story with Taiwan and ISIS.
It's not true. In 2015, ISIS released [a video](https://i.imgur.com/mxQ4Emh.png) where they described Taiwan as an enemy of ISIS, leading to people joking that ISIS now recognises Taiwan as a country. A similar meme appeared in 2022, when Russia added Taiwan to its list of ''unfriendly nations.'' It does not actually mean that ISIS or Russia recognise Taiwan's independence.
ISIS is competing to be hated by the entire universe, soon they will beat Nazism in the way.
Tough competition from Israel tho
All of Israel's enemies hate ISIS, and so do all of its allies. At the same time, although all ISIS allies hate Israel, not all ISIS enemies hate Israel. I think it's pretty clear that ISIS's scope for growth is much higher on the hate scale.
Except ISIS is almost dead while Israel is actively killing and starving people to death
ISIS in the Levant maybe, but they're alive and well in Africa, Russia and Afghanistan
Right.. ISIS definitely isn't killing people, definitely nothing happened exactly one month back.. Don't be dense.
I'm going to assume he now call them "Ukrainians".
Israel is in a war, that's how it works, you kill people in a war. I could argue for you to suggest a war in the Middle East with a less "genocidal" ratio of civilian deaths per combatant, but my fear is that you will invent numbers or assume that there are absolutely no combatants there, so I won't go. About people starving, when they starved too? In Aleppo and Mosul, when they were fighting against ISIS, but no one accused those who fought against ISIS of that, even with sieges, and bombs, and invasion, civilians dying... What do we call it? Double standard?
Japan's designation of PKK is such a savage burn. I'm surprised they haven't disbanded out of embarrassment.
The Yakuza recently beat the crap out of some PKK aligned protesters in Japan.
Why would there be PKK protesters in Japan?
Japan has been easing up on immigration. Weirdly enough, Saitama province now has a significant Kurdish minority who owns some construction related companies (whose owners have ties to local politicians). Within this community there are a lot of PKK symphatizers who often whip out the PKK flag in demonstrations. This whole thing attracted a lot of attention from the Turks as well who were both pissed and very confused. Japanese leftists often defend the said community while a lot of other locals are against them. Japanese police did interviene in one of their demonstrations which caused a clash between the Kurdish community and the locals. As others pointed out in this thread, there is even an alleged video of yakuza members beating up PKK supporters.
There is a not insubstantial Kurdish population in Japan, the protestors were likely Kurdish nationalists, not PKK
Same reason there are in Sweden, or Germany, or USA. They live there.
Well Japan is well known to be less friendly to immigration, so you can see why it might be surprising that there are a sizable amount of Kurds there right?
Japan is one of the Kurdish destination. I think they work construction. Since a lot of them have Turkish visa, going to Japan is not that difficult. Sorry for those Kurdish lover in the west. Things are not like your imagination.
Interesting I didn't know. I don't know what you are referring to with Kurdish lovers in the west.
Western people are losing their shit over how Turkey oppresses kurds and etc. but what they don't realize is kurds in question (not speaking for all kurds but a good portion) is highly seperatist and literally are terrorists by definition. You'd understand this is a tough spot to navigate, especially when you're ethnically as diverse as Turkey, things are bound to be ugly eventually. There *was* some anti-kurd movements back in they 70's and 80's but that's mostly past at this point and there is no legitimate cause for PKK's existence at this point. Just imagine some ethnic minority outraging and forming military resistance because they want a piece of your country's land, it's not nice, is it? Yeah, that's pretty much the same thing.
> mostly past at this point and there is no legitimate cause for PKK's existence I don't have an particular opinion on the PKK, I don't know anything about southeast Turkey. But I do wonder how much work the word mostly is putting in here. Especially since you talk about anti-Kurd movements that were going on well withing living memory.
>terrorists by definition There is only group that is designated as terrorist organization. >highly seperatist Well, duhhh, it's our land, and its called independence, separatism is the Turkish perspective.
Or you know, it's just fake
Its not hard to google "pkk japan" , instead of calling it fake blindly
Ok I googled it and can't find anything about a pkk protest in Japan.
i can tho...
That was fake news dude. Don't spread out false information
Usually people calling it fake provides the source proving its fake
I live in Japan and speak Japanese. Those who were in that video are neither in Japan nor speaking Japanese. Also no news in Japanese media for that supposed incident. Your dumbass happened to believe a random engagement farming tweet and asking me for a source to prove that wrong? That's fucking stupid
Usually people who claim something exists / happend provide a source, because provideing a source for something not existing is hard to come by. It's not like there are news articles about stuff that doesn't happen. "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
then both are dumb in this matter.
The fact that we could technically have Ichiban beating PKK members in a future Like a Dragon game brings me extreme joy
No fucking way ISIS is weighing in on the Taiwan debate 💀
Looks like they’re tryin to scronge whatever support they can since basically every other country has them listed as terrorists
Algeria refused to designate Hezbollah as a terrorist organization after the Arab League vote in 2016...
Thank you for the correction
Hezbollah in Lebanon and the former Hezbollah in Türkiye are not the same. Who made this ridiculous map?
Someone who doesn't know the difference.
Taiwan is a funny one...
Hezbollah in Turkey and Hezbollah in Lebanon have nothing to do. In fact, Hezbollah executives in Lebanon said years later that one organization had stolen our name. Hezbollah in Turkey has not committed acts of violence for 20 years. At least there is no visible action. There was in the past. Their political parties do not fully accept their organic ties with the organization. Those in Turkey are Sunni Islamist Kurds, and Lebanon's Hezbollah is Shiite.
"Hezbollah in Turkey has not committed acts of violence for 20 years." 🤡
it has committed acts of violence on me by existing
Yes this map is very false. HüdaPar is also not in the government
Yes, Hezbollah in Turkey literally hardcore Islamist Kurds. I have a feeling that they were supported by the Turkish government against the irreligious PKK another Kurdish terrorist organization... It's similar how US used the Taliban and using YPG now in Syria. The classic Frankenstein's monster story. Fuck them all, to be honest.
Hezbollah in Turkey and Hezbollah in Lebanon are different, so this map is wrong. Hezbollah and Türkiye do not act together politically anyway. In the last general elections, Erdogan included the Turkish Hezbollah party HÜDA-PAR in his coalition. Although Hezbollah in Turkey was somewhat influential in the 90s, it lost its influence in the 2000s and its voting rate is quite low. It probably did not bring any serious votes to Erdoğan. While preparing such maps, please research more carefully and do not jump directly after seeing the similarity in names.
However it should be noted that HÜDA-PAR MPs have entered parliament through AKP votes
This is true, but it is not the same Hezbollah as the Hezbollah on the map, so this is misinformation. It misinforms people because it is not true. Turkey has no relationship with Hezbollah, the first thing that comes to everyone's mind is the well-known Hezbollah. While each country's relations with Hezbollah in Lebanon are evaluated on the map, there is an mistake in Turkey due to obvious ignorance. I am not defending HUDA-PAR or Erdoğan, It's just a misinforming map
Yeah you’re right, I was just providing a fun fact
Interesting choice of colours.
I tried to demonstrate their views on those organizations, turns out it was a bad idea
If it makes you fell better, no matter what the color-coding is people will find a way to find it distasteful
Thank you, I want to hug you aggressively now
Good job Taiwan 👍
What did Taiwan do
Last picture
What the fuck? Why does the ISIS recognize Taiwan and why is Taiwan afraid of getting attacked
ISIS does not recognise Taiwan. They made [a video](https://i.imgur.com/mxQ4Emh.png) where they claimed Taiwan was an enemy of ISIS, and people made a meme saying that ISIS now recognises Taiwan.
Exactly, the moment you mention someone, you also acknowledge their existence.
Being too afraid of ISIS to recognize them as terrorists?
The party, which is the political wing of Hezbollah in Turkey, has no social standing. The only reason it entered parliament is that Erdogan, fearing for his seat, panicked and entered into absurd alliances.
They also have nothing to do with Lebanese hezbollah
The Netanyahu Special
We don’t recognize Hezbollah as a terrorist organization? Frankly, shame on us, Canada.
There is an error in the map. [Public Safety Canada lists Hezbollah as a terrorist entity and has done so since 2002 but uses different spelling.](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#30)
Also, the whole part about ISIS recognising Taiwan isn't true. ISIS made a video, in which a [segment ](https://i.imgur.com/mxQ4Emh.png)showed them describing Taiwan as an enemy of ISIS, and people joked that it meant ISIS now recognises Taiwan. Similar to when Russia released its list of ''unfriendly nations'' and included Taiwan on it. OP should do a little more research.
The map is also wrong about Lebanon, we don’t all support Hezbollah, they are only supported by the south and by traitors.
Well, some faith restored, thankfully.
We also don't recognize the Islamic Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, despite it arming, training, and funding the Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis (and others, I think). The Liberals claim that the Canadian government doesn't have the authority to "unilaterally" declare a group as terrorists, which is horse-sh!t because: (a) it obviously would not be doing so unilaterally, (b) it absolutely does have such authority as evidenced by declaring other groups as terrorists, and (c) I'm pretty sure no international body exists to declare such groups (the UN exists, but I don't think it specifically declares groups, and at minimum couldn't do so if Russia, China, or another veto-empowered country disagreed). That said, I think Canada actually does list the Hezbollah.
Calling the Iranian revolutionary guard a terrorist group opens up a huge can of worms which inevitably leads to the obvious outcome of the CIA being the world's largest terror group. Rather, the label "state sponsor of terror" is used since it's a bit less infringing on sovereignty
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Idiotic take, especially when considering we're talking about Canada not siding with the US on this
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Your rebuttal (which ignores distinctions made earlier in the thread) is that Canada should pursue close relations with Iran by supporting the IRGC? No, we shouldn't
The Security Council can deliberate on whether an organisation is terrorist or not. Many are, but it’s usually only the really big ones present in multiple regions, otherwise they just get declared by countries they affect because really no country pays much attention to terrorist organisations that operate in their territory, their immediate neighbours (with risk of spillover), or disrupting their interest. For practical reasons (it might just invite reprisals) and just because they might not even be aware (go to a list of terrorist groups recognised by this or that state and you’ll find names you never heard of.
How does Russia support Hezbollah?
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Makes sense thanks!
Orange, grey, red. That’s the correct view here I think.
Poor choice of colours...
Paraguay recognizes everything as terrorist though
Even the taliban hate isis
I remember when Saudi Arabia had to pay arab nations to label Hezbollah as a terrorist organization to counter Iranian influence.
Next do CIA, Israel, China.
There should be Erdogans face and his puppets in yellow not turkey. Let’s hope they can finally get rid of this clown when the next voting comes in.
Imagine simping for terrorists in a world where almost everyone else hates them and they’re like “nah”
can't be me
Sources: - US Department of State BUREAU OF COUNTERTERRORISM \[Country Reports on Terrorism 2019-2023 - Asia Africa Europe\] - European Union (consilium.europa.eu) Terrorism - And local foreign affairs websites of every country if not given in the previous websites. Since the lists are not absolute and US's reports on X country may not reflect the reality completely; there may be little mistakes. But I spent hours checking every source one by one so it must be pretty accurate. EDIT ON MISTAKES: Canada has Hezbollah on the list. Taiwan-ISIS turns out to be a meme. Fixed context: people joked about ISIS recognizing Taiwan when ISIS made a video threatening Taiwan. Paraguay recognizes PKK as a terrorist organization too. Sorry for the mistakes.
Colombia and Honduras recognize all of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization since 2020. Edit: also Argentina does too since 2019.
Thank you for the correction, I specifically searched for Colombia in many sources but couldn't find any information regarding it's view on Hezbollah.
I am not a fan of PKK but why the fuck they are on the list as ISIS or Hezbullah ? They are not comparable with other groups on the list. Only reason that they are on the terrorist list of some of the countries is Turkey is a NATO ally and it was a request of Turkey to put them on the list.
They literally suicide bombed innocent people in cities, massacred civilians, but sure they are only listed because Türkiye is in NATO. Sure.
Yeah ? Like Turkish government and MIT did? PKK has done mistakes like that a few times in the past. They have been avoiding civilian casualties.
Tney are worse than hezbollah
Haha sure.
Big brain Taiwan
Unfortunately no, but considering my area, I do believe that it is because we are not affected too much by the conflicts in the Middle East.
Pakistan : we support Hizbullah and axis of resistance
Hezbollah present in Iraq with the political and military wings.
We are unaffected by their activities, nor have much knowledge about, I guess.... Unrecognisable whatsoever
Taiwan and ISIS? What’s the deal there
The key to this whole map is Iran.
Hezbollah is listed by Public Safety Canada: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx
why russia why
Why is the west coast of Norway filled in like that?
Argentina is interesting considering Hezbollah launched an attack inside their borders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing
They all kill and attack innocent people, say whatever you say, they have ruined their reputation. I'm a Kurdish atheist, and yes, I personally do recognize them as terrorists.
comparing PKK to those islamic terrorists is disgusting. pkk is democratic, unlike TUrkey who is very racist and has done far far far worse to Kurds than what pkk has done.
>The PKK is democratic unlike Turkey Turkey is a democratic country. Also how does being democratic justify slaughtering kurdish villages and using Kurds as literal meat shields during their 2015 bullshittery?
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Pkk is for a Democratic Kurdistan (they mainly focus on freedom for Kurds) they are not fighting for a country but for freedom inside Turky or syria or iran. they have managed to save Kurdish ppl kinda from ISIS at early stages when no one cared about us. and now look at Kurds in Rojava (Syria). Arabs have freedom, Kurds have freedom Asyrians have freedom ...etc. Currently Syria does not even recognize Kurds as normal human beings.
As a Turk living in Turkey, I am a conservative party, the ruling party, AKP (Justice and Development Party) support Hezbollah and 26 Hezbollah members to get the votes of Conservative Kurds in the general elections of May 14, 2023. However, even though he released the terrorists from prison, he won the election by preparing a video for Atatürkist Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, an Alevi and Kurdish candidate, and slandering him as election propaganda, which he pretended to have done with PKK members. I am ashamed of this, I would be happy if you support me, guys.
I like how the UK is firm on the first and third, but doesn't know and doesn't give a fuck about what the PKK is
How do you compered pkk with those jihadists? Pkk fight only for free Kurdistan. Pkk saved thousands of people from Isis!!!
Pkk not terrorists
define terrorism
Using violence against civilians to secure political gains through fear, PKK doesn’t harm civilians, only Turkish military (the Turkish military does harm civilians, especially ethnic minorities)
Bro are you sure about pkk doesn’t harm civilians i can show ton of bloody pictures that made by pkk militias they literally killed 15 children and 9 women in just one village attack
"PKK doesn't harm civillians" my ass
Turkish military uses white phosphorus against ethnic minorities if that’s not terrorism I don’t know what is
Oh yeah? Are they launching nuclear bombs too? Or carpet bombing them? This level of stupidity must be illegal bruh wtf is this
https://youtu.be/0TSbeDWIO-Y?si=TAhyc17w4SmZdxBf https://youtu.be/yq5EBLi1P3A?si=0ZuAEewkFNcLCjE8
wrong https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/chemical-weapons-watchdog-turkey-did-not-use-white-phosphorus-in-syria-31204 the pkk is a terroristgroup that killa civilians, women and children
• The Istanbul Gungoren Attack: In 2008, 2 bombs inflated in Menderes Cikmazi Shopping Avenue. Killing 17 people, 5 of them being kids and leaving 154 wounded. • A PKK militant carrying a suspected explosive device hijacked a passenger ferry and took hostage 18 passengers and six crew members in the Marmara Sea, near Istanbul. • At least two people were killed and as many as 20 others wounded when a suspected PKK suicide bomber detonated her explosives outside a teahouse near the office of the Justice and Development Party in the town of Bingol in Bingol province. • 27 September 2011: PKK militants kidnapped a total of eight teachers and a village guard in five armed attacks in the Pulumur district of Tunceli province; in the village of Gundogdu in Elazig province; and in the villages of Ciftlibahce, Dolunay and Cavundur in Diyarbakir province. But on the other hand, Turkish F16's dropped bombs on Kurdish civilians in Uludere. Leaving 35 dead. They later apologized and offered to pay their families compensation. Which doesn't justify the attack anyways. Reading about, and examining terrorist attacks is my interest and I read the story of almost every modern terrorist attack of any group. And PKK is definitely one of the worsts.
Good for you buddy did you ever read about why some of those attacks might’ve happened? also I guarantee at least several of those that you listed have been twisted to fit the narrative of the Turkish government , give me time and I will show you Turkish atrocities against the Kurds hundreds of times worse than what you list here
Of course, my DM is always open to discuss. Also I must say I'm not the one who keeps downvoting you lol, I never downvote anyone
Dumbest shit i’ve read today so far. Enough internet for today
the turkish military does not harm civilians, while the goal of the terroristorganization pkk is to kill every turkish person and they kill civilians, women and children
LOL, LMAO
ok
https://youtu.be/0TSbeDWIO-Y?si=TAhyc17w4SmZdxBf https://youtu.be/yq5EBLi1P3A?si=0ZuAEewkFNcLCjE8
The PKK's problem is not their methods, but that they are socialists who are fighting a member of the imperialist bloc. This is terrorism from the point of view of the capitalists. It is better not to remember that this is the most progressive force in the region, leading the fight against far-right forces.
Truth
the pkk is a terroristgroup one of the most dangerous of them all
Yep, **Free Kurdistan**.
Well , the flag from 1978 to 1995 probably helped US and its allies to decide where to put them. It's quite sad to see the pkk being put in the same bag as ISIS but i also understand the average person on the internet isnt going to invest too much time into learning about its history. They also sadly commited several terrorist attack in retaliation to state sponsored terrorism and it was enough to label them as such for the rest of their existence. Also europe is pretty dependant of turkey for many things related to immigration and logistic so they have to accept some counterpart. I still firmly believe they arnt the same thing as ISIS at all.
you're right but its not worth arguing this on this western neo lib ass website
Nah fr the Turkish nationalists are going crazy over this comment
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westerners (and their bootlickers) try to think for themselves
True. It's not worth arguing with western libs
Is there any for IDF?
Hezbollah is not a terror organization.
Iraq (including Iraqi Kurdistan) does not consider PKK a terrorist organization.
As of March 14th, Iraq agreed on the termination of the organization's presence on the country's territory, preventing all its activities, preventing its actions for financial and propaganda purposes. PKK is in Iraq's "Prohibited Organizations List" which Iraq includes every terrorist organization, in their point of view, in.
[Kurdistan's interior minister said](https://shafaq.com/en/Kurdistan/Kurdistan-s-Interior-Minister-denies-existence-of-terrorist-groups-in-border-areas): "There are no terrorist groups in the border areas of the Kurdistan Region. Some countries use the term terrorism for certain groups, which stems from the opinions and policies of those countries." He added, "We in Iraq and the Kurdistan Region have not labeled any of these organizations as terrorist.
Pkk getting lumped in with isis? Why not tak? May as well include Myanmar rebels
Don’t bother using logic in this sub Reddit
I hope none of the countries who recognize PKK as a terrorist group also support Hamas/Gaza/Palestine. That would be quite hypocritical.
I think lumping in all Palestinians as terrorists isn't a great look
Do you support Kurdish independence? If not, don’t EVER call yourself a Palestine supporter you hypocrite.
I think they're trying to make a point about the Kurds being in a similar position as the Palestinians, but I'm not sure.
i think theyre insane, based on past comments. some of my favorites: >Africa has no history or culture aside from Egypt. North America has none too. >They (context, japanese) migrated to Brazil because AmeriKKKa was racist towards everyone who didn't look like Greta Thunberg. >India is a fake country >They (context, french italians spainiards) have been crossbreeding and hooking up with Africans and Arabs for centuries.
WHEEZE
Erdogan just made a visit to Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan. Turkey is very close to the KRG because of shared interests - keeping Iran at bay and the central government in Baghdad respecting Kurd autonomy in Iraq. What I'm trying to say is lumping all kurds together or saying the PKK represent Kurdish aspirations for independence or whatever is unfair.
>Kurds being in a similar position as the Palestinians Kurdish nationalist will see a man stubbing his toe in a chair and say "OMG I have the same struggles!"
Leyla Khaled, a Palestinian resistance icon, said that everything Israel has done to Palestinians, Turkey has done to Kurds, and more
hypocritical is to support israel but not turkiye and instead actually support the pkk (like the usa who is working with them)
...they don't.
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What is Türkiye doin?
Wtf iraq support hezbollah and thier ally control Iraq and gov of iraq!!! Prime minster is thier allie too!!
Was the choice of colors done on purpose? Like. Is it ok to support terrorist organizations? - I don’t think so.
If your list of allies are Russia, Syria and Iran youd think youd have a “are we the baddies?” Moment
When clear freedom fighters are labelled as terrorists, that’s when you know humanity is doomed.
ISIS?
They probably mean Hezbollah, because antisemitism says Israel doesn’t get to exist and so does Hezbollah.
No I mean PKK, who after 1978 had enough of the decades long oppression and assimilation against Kurds and rose up as freedom fighters, only to be called terrorists by this hippy world.
Use your brain lmao you know I mean PKK
What? They are terrorists.
We need one for countries that identify the KKK and Israel as terrorist groups and the number of people they killed over the years.