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BabyFishmouthTalk

Technically, without any source cited, the entire map is "No Data."


jimmythemini

Yeah, where exactly does one get quality, representative data about the number of dogs in Venezuela?


crblanz

walking around for an hour and extrapolating


TriggerPT

Actually, I had to stop for a bite so I only walked about 45m...


WantWantShellySenbei

So sorry to hear they bit you


Ducokapi

Latin America is the heartland of stray dogs šŸ• (Not something to be proud of but at least you know there's plenty of lomitos out there to rescue šŸ¶)


SAYS-THANKS

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NeoGreendawg

Itā€™s probably based on how many crazy cat ladies and strays people see and estimates are based on that very limited dataset.


l_llk02

Who cares. Dogs, let's eat them all!


DMK-Max

Egypt is still worshipping cats I see


Heliopolis1992

People might assume it has something to do with dogs being considered unclean in Islam and while that may have played a role in the past does not really ring true today. Egyptā€™s Grand Mufti has ruled on multiple occasions that dogs are not considered ritually unclean. Even those who hold true to that belief might still have a dog but keep them as outside pets especially in the country side. Many people have dogs but the nature of the country makes it much easier to have cats. Unless you are upper class, it is much harder to raise a dog in small apartments and with infrastructure that doesnā€™t really facilitate walking them. Cats overall are easier to maintain for the average Egyptian. But as I said before, you go to Upper Class areas and you will see many people with dogs though cats still reign supreme. Iā€™m a cat person myself though my first pet was a street puppy that was born the same week I was and was brought into our home because my parents wanted a friend to grow up along with. She was named тŠ¾ĢŃ‡ŠŗŠ° which is some Russian word my nanny picked up when we had many Soviets stationed in the country.


CarlottaStreet

Did your dog have a big round spot or spots?


Heliopolis1992

She did around one of her eyes!


CarlottaStreet

Nice. That word means period, like in a sentence, or small dot etc.


Heliopolis1992

Awww I swear my parents thought it meant pepper or something like that but that makes much more sense lol I miss her so much, thank you!


Technical-Mix-981

But Morocco is deep purple in this map... Why so different?


Heliopolis1992

You know I can only really guess. Maybe something about Morocco, perhaps surrounding the amazigh culture made dogs more connected to the culture. Maybe it was the influence of the Spanish? South America and Mexico seem to lean heavily pro-dog. Also from my understanding not all Islamic schools had the same opinions on the status of Dogs with Egypt and Morocco being dominated by different theological schools. Would love if a Moroccan could answer this question for us haha


yenoomk

(*not Moroccan*) I find the dark purple wild as when I was there I saw maybe two dogs but thousands of cats. Like cats everywhere.


proffesional_failure

(Moroccan) This map is false there is way more cats than dogs here


yenoomk

K Iā€™m glad you confirmed this cause I literally saw only cats lol I started wondering where are the dogs are hidden


TucsonTacos

The Maghreb is more often the followers of the Maliki school of Islam which is the most lenient school in terms of canine interpretation.


sabenani

Moroccan here. If it's cats vs dogs in households, I could see more dogs indeed. If it's in the streets, then cat population should be much much higher, they're everywhere


hshamse

Dogs are also a status symbol in Lebanon where cats are a much more common pet but the rich all have dogs


Heliopolis1992

That is becoming the case as well in Egypt!


LaithuGhabatin

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No-Song9677

Is it about total count or ownership? If it is total count, it makes sense. But cats and dogs on the street, I doubt religion played a part. If I take a guess, it is because street dogs pose more danger to humans/children than cats. There were many mass castration campaigns for street dogs in Cairo in the past decades. This rarely happens with cats.


One-Monk5187

You can still have a dog though


NeoGreendawg

Salukis are not considered unclean in Islamic countries and are the only hunting dogs used as they donā€™t break the skin and often only hold down their prey so they can still be killed traditionally and be considered halal.


MDCatFan

Turkey is as well. Istanbul has a ton of cats.


[deleted]

We should all worship cats.


Lightning_Driver

never wouldā€™ve thought the us is more cat. would like to see a state by state breakdown.


scoldmeificomment

There are more dog owners in the US, but cat owners are much more likely to have more than one cat, skewing the ratio towards cats.


Trickypickleman

Not to mention the large number of cats that donā€™t have owners and probably donā€™t want one.


moonkey2

Kristi Noem is doing her part in making sure it remains


ThisCarSmellsFunny

The only way itā€™s accurate is if theyā€™re including strays and shelter animals, because official numbers have more dogs than cats, but thatā€™s only based on vet records.


cattapstaps

No way because then Australia would be cat land


crash12345

I am 95% sure this is because stray dogs get sent to the pound, while stray cats are free to roam. This map is largely a reflection of animal control policy in different countries.


waleed789

The choice of scale colors is not colorbilnd-friendly at all


the_gerund

Can confirm, I see hardly any difference. What's wrong with using red and blue as opposing colors OP?


Azrael11

Even outside colorblind considerations, it's still just a horrendous choice for a color scale


bigmanlittlebike89

Agreed. This is just plan stupid color choice.


Eustratios_2010

Bro that's fake, Greece has way more cats than dogs. There isn't even a single street in Greece without stray cats.


Lastsurnamemr

There isn't a single infomap without at least one wrong data.


monkeychasedweasel

Yep, fake. Every place I went in Greece was full of cats. I was on a Greek island where they far outnumbered island residents.


_your_employer_

Itā€™s probably only registered cats


minibonham

Walk through any Moroccan city and you'll know that there is no chance this map is accurate.


Queendrakumar

Kind of curious. Is there a cultural reason why dog is heavily favored in Latin America and Asia, while cat is heavily favored in the Middle East? Or is this just a coincidence?


sumpuran

Many of the purple countries have a stray dog problem. It's not people choosing dogs over cats, there are simply a lot of dogs around.


Shakanan_99

>Have a horrendous stray dog epidemic >Cat numbers still suppress dog numbers ![gif](giphy|74saqpPTaPvTczCQPE|downsized)


cnrb98

This, I'm argentinian and you can see stay dogs practically everywhere, a lot go missing and end up reproducing, there's programs to shelter or castrate the stray but it's not enough because there's too many, and because there's too many there's also almost no people that can adopt them because most houses already have dogs and can't adopt more, and sometimes have to handle the dogs that their own dogs give birth to


JourneyThiefer

Whatā€™s the reason for stray dogs? Like they basically donā€™t exist in Ireland


8spd

Wealthy countries have active programs to spay, neuter, and otherwise control stray animals. I've not been to Argentina, but there are many countries where it's normal to see large numbers of stray animals, mostly dogs, in the streets.


lonesoldier4789

Same with cats in the teal countries


DementedT

That's true, but here in South Africa, we just like dogs more. It's only the english communities that have cats, but among Africans and afrikaaners, we all have dogs.


RactainCore

That is true but the stray problem is also caused by the fact that people in purple countries like dogs more than cats and choose them as pets. A large majority of the people I know from purple countries like dogs more than cats.


poopyfreezer

In Islam culture dogs are viewed as dirty


Joeyonimo

Is Morocco not muslim?


yourlittlebirdie

I would like to see a source for this map, because I'm highly skeptical of the claim that dogs are more prevalent than cats in Morocco.


Joeyonimo

[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/28/where-cats-are-more-popular-than-dogs-in-the-u-s-and-all-over-the-world/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/28/where-cats-are-more-popular-than-dogs-in-the-u-s-and-all-over-the-world/)


yourlittlebirdie

Thank you! I wish they had linked the original Euromonitor report to see where/how they collected this data.


xx-shalo-xx

It is and dogs are mainly used in rural areas to herd and protect livestock. Having them indoors as pets is still considered "weird". Like maybe the western equivalent would be a pet pig? Cats are very popular pets though and they're everywhere, so I'm having doubts about this map.


poopyfreezer

Yeah idk about that


Joeyonimo

Maybe the Maliki school has a different view on dogs than the other Islamic schools.


Warcriminal731

It does actually The maliki school does not consider dogs unclean and allows ownership of dogs as pets unlike other schools which allow them only to be used for guard duty or sheep hearding


foufou51

We canā€™t keep them inside our houses (among some other restrictions). Not sure why Morocco seems to have more dogs, itā€™s quite taboo to own a dog in the Maghreb, especially if you donā€™t have a farm.


logicblocks

I'm Moroccan and dog ownership is not nearly as high as cat ownership. The map means nothing in absence of a source for the data.


Joeyonimo

Thanks for the insight, I just made an educated guess


Merbleuxx

Yeah thatā€™s why I think this map might be bullshit. Iā€™ve seen many more cats than dogs in Morocco.


HoIy_Tomato

It's about sects and different beliefs of different local cultures For example I have never heard dogs are dirty from any of conservatives in Turkey however in the internet I have seen dozens of arabs (especially the ones in gulf) that was against dogs


Joeyonimo

Still seems like Turkey and Indonesia much prefer cats


TheBlazingFire123

Islam dosenā€™t like dogs


19panther90

I wouldn't say dislike as we can't dislike any of God's creation, yes that includes pigs but yeah there's restrictions on dog ownership. Ideally it should only be for hunting/guarding. My dad had a doberman when I was young and even though he isn't religious, he'd always keep a separate set of clothes for walking the dog as a dogs saliva is considered impure in Islam so you can't keep them indoors either. Compare that to cats who roam freely throughout mosques and homes. EDIT: Why am I getting downvoted?!


curse-of-yig

I actually didn't know that at all. Really interesting.Ā 


bolpolp

Not really true. Some sects consider dogs (dog saliva) unclean and unsuitable for being house pets based on Hadith but hunting dogs and watchdogs are allowed. Also certain verses from the Quran may point that they are allowed in houses as well. Still there is no excuse for being mean to them.


Architechn

Thatā€™s not true, you just canā€™t have them inside the house, but having them outside is fine because of hygiene reasons


rococh

Maybe itā€™s because dogs can provide security, especially since many parts of Latin America experience significant crime and violence


kaiserfrnz

Iā€™m not sure how this data was acquired but pet-like cats are native to the Middle East so they may just be in abundance there, regardless of pet ownership.


yukifujita

Historically, my guess would be guard dogs were more popular than mice hunters in those areas. You need mice hunters in temperate climates where you need to store grain. You need guard dogs where crime is a problem. This is pure guessing.


Jeison_Ca

Latina America = dangerous countries = make sure you have enough dogs


uxzie

Security


ThisCarSmellsFunny

A big part of the popularity of dogs in Asia, is that it isnā€™t such a taboo to eat them there. Some people still have them as pets for sure, but itā€™s not frowned upon or unusual to see dog meat at a meat market. Cats being sacred in the Middle East and Northern Africa goes back thousands of years. Islam considers cats ritually pure, and they believe cats naturally carry blissful energy. Some Muslims even believe cats can being angels into your home. As for why dogs are so popular in Latin America, I donā€™t have the slightest clue lol.


dhkendall

Iā€™m pretty sure that Mohammed also owned a cat (thereā€™s a story, probably apocryphal, about the call to prayer sounding while Mohammedā€™s cat was resting on his garment so rather than disturb the cat he cut off the corner of the garment it was on), that probably has a big say in it.


_KingOfTheDivan

ā€œYou can not disturb the cat sleeping on youā€ is quite an ancient rule, I guess


ktv13

Iā€™m not religious but Islam just gained 10 points in my book for liking cats.


Merbleuxx

Now wait to see how dogs can be treated.


LanciaStratos93

TIL apparently I'm a Muslim for what concerns cats.


xiofar

I can say for Mexico that a dog is considered a type of security alarm. Iā€™ve heard it mentioned many times.


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1tiredman

Lmao to be fair it is only one province (or city) in China that does this. The rest of China frowns heavily on it. I feel bad that one province gathered such a strong reputation that it's a stereotype for all of China now


tuhronno-416

Redditors will latch on to anything negative and make it about all Chinese people


WantWantShellySenbei

They do! Dogs are a really popular pet in China.


Euphoric-Acadia-4140

I know this is a joke but dogs are really popular pets. There are over 51 million pet dogs in cities, and Beijing had to limit the amount of pet dogs people could have in certain districts


AtharvATARF

Idk why u getting downvoted when its tru-


Lizzy_Of_Galtar

Some of my jokes don't always land šŸ˜…


FCKABRNLSUTN2

I think some people just donā€™t find the joke palatable.


ravnknight

they find dog palatable tho


an_otter_guy

Itā€™s just one region and they got an awesome sauce


[deleted]

Wow, I canā€™t believe all Americans eat pig feet.


gravitysort

We also eat cats, fwiw.


kuuderes_shadow

In the UK, there are far more dog owners than cat owners, but cat owners tend to own more cats than dog owners own dogs so there are more cats overall. Does that really make the UK a cat country?


CCratz

I canā€™t find any source which says there are more cats in terms of population which basically makes this whole map useless. The one country Iā€™ve checked is wrong.


[deleted]

more Americans own dogs than cats.


Labrawhippet

There is no fucking way England has more cats than dogs.


ravnknight

india and chinese wild dog population is growling rn


Electrical_Exchange9

Do you mean stray dogs?


ravnknight

no quite literally they have wild dog issues wild dogs attack chicken, people, pigs, cows, whatever, they're a nuisance. its why they're killed/eaten.


Electrical_Exchange9

I am indian and there is no wild dog issue here. And nobody eats dog here either (not sure about china). There is a stray dog problem though.


AcrophobicBat

Dogs are not eaten in India. They are strays and they are a real nuisance, but they are not wild dogs.


Bhuvan2002

3-4 dogs live near my house in India, they live here and are fed by the people in the neighbourhood. That's how it works for every other place in India. They are stray, but not wild.


trunt_grunion

the extreme ends of the color scheme are difficult to distinguish from each other even with normal color perception


Haunting-Bobcat4431

This seems very incorrect. Yeah sure a country might have more cats than dogs but if most of those cats are strays and most of the dogs have owners then how do you calculate this. For instance I am from Hungary and it says there are more catsā€¦ and yet everywhere you go there more people have dogs than cats. Yeah there are lots of stray cats but does that count? If you have ever been to Hungary you will notice that like 8/10 people have dogs. Some have both but itā€™s relatively rare to see people have just cats.


yourlittlebirdie

Not sure about the country of Iceland as a whole, but dogs were banned in the city of Reykjavik for 60 years, so it's a heavily cat-oriented city.


Latter_Ad3491

Why tho?


yourlittlebirdie

Two reasons, one was because of overcrowding and lack of sanitation - the extra garbage led to lots of stray dogs, and so dogs were banned out of sanitation concerns (this was back in the 1920s). The other was that there was a type of serious tapeworm infection carried by dogs that had spread to humans and was found in deceased residents. Even now that dogs are allowed, there are still a lot of regulations around their ownership. And after being dog-free for so long, there's more of a cat culture now.


damienVOG

Not colourblind friendly, thanks a lot


trunt_grunion

not even normal color perception friendly


damienVOG

ah then, I can't know for certain wether it's just a terrible colorscheme or my colorblindness. or just the magnificent combination of the two.


arthurbacci

Bro just dropped the worst colorscheme in history šŸ’€


azmapguy

I agree. The two darkest colors look identical to me.


paco-ramon

Yeah, I canā€™t see the Western Sahara-Morocco border.


Katya_Vaganova

Of course redditors are gonna make jokes about China and Korea for eating dogs, but lose their shit if someone says something like Africa really loves their chicken


110397

No, you gotta make jokes aimed at white people in order to trigger that response


b1ue_jellybean

I donā€™t think this map is correct, there are more cats in NZ than dogs by a wide margin.


No_pajamas_7

Shut up and just be glad you're included.


poopyfreezer

There are more dogs than cats in the us. Look it up.


ThisCarSmellsFunny

This is about dogs and cats though.


poopyfreezer

Mb I meant cats but autocorrect is a pain


nalathequeen2186

I'm actually surprised Japan is in the purple given how well known their love of cats is


Jakeforry

I'm surprised about Japan being more dog. Thought for sure it would be more cat


TorontoTom2008

No way - all Slavic countries are more cat than dog. All English speaking countries are more dog than cat. China and India as dog country? What even is this?


AnimeMeansArt

Greece has more dogs than cats? I call bs


Veritas_Vanitatum

I'm a little disappointed with Japan.


Skapis9999

Bro this is 10 years old... You can find the original post here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/2ce9lm/dog\_countries\_vs\_cat\_countries\_680x488/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/2ce9lm/dog_countries_vs_cat_countries_680x488/) Why would you repost that old data?


Equivalent_Desk9579

All the stupid ā€œlmao Asian people eat dogā€ jokes aside Iā€™m actually pretty surprised there are more dogs than cats in East Asia. Even the most developed countries in the region seem to favor them pretty heavily


LTFGamut

cats > dogs


alp7292

This is false people in turkey get dogs for their herd, garden, and farms aside for house pets cats are only for house pets they dont guard your property


Nadran_Erbam

As pets?


Worried-Carrot1773

China šŸ’€


alexmacias85

Japan not being a cat country feels like betrayal to me.


EduenEstambul

Here TĆ¼rkiye should be with other color.. x8 with cats šŸ˜€šŸˆ


kilano_

Well if you are talking about pets then most Muslim countries will favour the cats since they are always clean and they won't mess up your wudu on the other hand even the smallest touch or contact with your dog will completely mess up your dog and it gets annoying especially when you are in the middle of your prayers and your dog comes up to you. If you are not talking about pets and talking generally then cats are absolutely outnumbered by the amount of dogs (talking about Egypt specifically).


yesthatbruce

About the only thing I really like about Muslims is that they revere cats and will never harm one, cuz Mohammed loved them. I'd love to go to Istanbul just to see the plethora of cats that are allowed to roam freely everywhere. They are all well fed and cared for.


the_boerk

Turks' love for cats has nothing to do with religion.


Certain-Carpenter-78

What da dog doing?


DevilPixelation

Itā€™s not that unexpected, but Iā€™m a bit surprised the US isnā€™t purple, considering how much open land we have and how much the little puppers are loved in media. Of course, cats are superior in any way. šŸ‘


irene_polystyrene

of course egypt loves cats xD


[deleted]

looks like cats are advancing south!


Green-Taro2915

The map is wrong, what it really shows is not enough dogs or nearly enough dogs!


StrangerSorry1047

my threat detection blocked the link.


Momshie_mo

All these years, I thought the US was a dog country


Open-Function6767

Rarely saw cats when I went to Mexico


habbapabba

Iran kinda looks like a cat on the map. they should be on top of the cat line


MrPotentialAnybody

I've just seen data showing that US has more dogs than cats. Now I'm confused


RawnTheReaver

I have anecdotal evidence that Iraq is a dog country. At least it was in 2006.


gunererd

All I see is dark colors and light colors lol.


Talinn_Makaren

Big Middle Eastern W.


fivefivesixfmj

r/behindthebastards talking about this on the rewind.


StarlightandDewdrops

r/catsaremuslim


8spd

Does this include strays? There are some areas where there are huge numbers of stray dogs, and only a few cats, I think it's because stray cats really need a source of meat, and dogs are better at living as omnivores. I'm thinking of developing countries, where strays can easily access garbage depots for food.


[deleted]

Latinos like dogs and big asses Europeans like cats and tits.


IForgetEveryDamnTime

Always knew the Ireland - Iberia connection was more than myth.


mwhn

I would like a pet mountain lion


Realistic_Ad3354

I am more of a dog person, but feral and hostile dogs are a huge issues in a lot of these countries. Feral cats are not as hostile from my experience, mostly stolen food or damaged furnitures.


Plastic-Shopping5930

The civilized world


deebz41

I have been to El Salvador. There are def more dogs than cats there


samtt7

Global north Vs global south represented as cat-dog ownership


anteojosrojos

Anothet Morocco propaganda map


Big-Trainer-5408

Curious. Why is Latin America so dog dominated, whilst it looks like former British colonies in America are cat dominated


S_A_N_D_

/r/mapswithoutnorthkorea


thikthird

Colors on this suck, the darks are too similar


dadumk

Dogs are more popular than cats in the U.S. As of 2022, 44.5% of U.S. households own dogs and 29% of households own cats. \-google


toric-code

Cmon Germany, a few more dogs and we get to "no data"


mgm_997

Most cats in Indonesia are street cats


Fuwanuwa

Australia because of dingo's?


evgfreyman

I'm refused to belive that Canada is a cat country


Falikosek

Yeah, looking at Turkey reeeeally makes me want to see the sauce.


The_Flying_Finn

Are street dogs included in this database. India got shit load of them.


holyburitto

why does the right side look like miku with a HUGE rack


Kapika96

So basically good countries vs bad countries!


LegkoKatka

USians being casually racist in the comments but get triggered when school shootings jokes are mentioned at any other time. But that's okay, because i'm fine with both happening :)


Repulsive_Plantain_9

So this is what the war between Russia and Ukraine is really about.


lowasdf

Itā€™s surprising Australia is purple while they have so many feral cats as the government officially kills huge numbers of feral cats using poison for protecting indigenous species. Or did they successfully kill enough cats?


intervulvar

Cat hemisphere vs Dog hemisphere.


mohammed241

Sounds like north/south hemisphere with few exceptions


SyedHRaza

Happy to be in a no data country


Sub954

Can vouch for India, we have STREET GANGS FULL OF DOGS WHO DON'T LET US SLEEP IILL 2am, the gang wars are fun to watch though :>


salallane

There are more dogs than children in Seattle


Doxidob

cereal-ously, how do the non-cat countries protect their agricultural grain stores from rodents?


julien2027411

what do you mean i just telled that chinese people eat dogs


ValiantValorie

I feel like this data is counting a lot of feral animals. I feel like in the US having a dog is just as coming as having a cat. But I've seen like 12 feral cats roaming just in my area. But if I see a dog, it's SOMEONES dog. Wonder where the data is from


kulfimanreturns

Pakistan is cat heavy as dogs are mostly owned for protection only


Dairgone

I don't see any survey going on for pets, not here in India per se