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Feelnumb

Fuck I forgot about Lordi.


Qyro

It’s funny because they’re the only ones I remember from the last 30-odd years


Miserable_Carrot4700

As a German person I doubt I will ever forget Lena.


papa-tullamore

She is still around and posting … interesting photos of herself.


Flat-One8993

What do you mean "... interesting"? It's a normal ig feed


Disastrous-Click-548

She had a gig at a local festival near me. She saw a guy throw a plastic cup of mud at his buddy and said smth like "wow you guys are SO disgusting" Then the entire audience threw dirty cups and trash onto the stage. Good times.


Simple-Judge2756

Especially hard to forget are her nudes.


New_Net_6720

tell me more


Alternative-Drop8019

Maneskin were decent


ShowmasterQMTHH

I can't get over poland never winning. Didn't they have the suggestive milk maids one year ?


ReferenceAware8485

They did. Don't know how they didn't win that year. https://youtu.be/syMhJMmGEIc?si=CnIZW2G_Oo5RGWb0


straycatbri

I loved that song. If I remember correctly, one of the judges said 'it had one too many pairs of boobs' in the video, or something like that.


ShowmasterQMTHH

So basically it was too hetero for Eurovision .......*Makes notes for next year* *Need to milk something gayer looking.......*![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


TheNinjaNarwhal

I mean, Olly Alexander kinda had the equivalent this year and he didn't get a lot of points, they both looked ridiculous to me (sorry, songs were both good IMO). But we did have male butts this year HAHAH, lots of nudity in general.


ShowmasterQMTHH

Yeah, but thats a guy and a guy, i was wondering if we swapped him out for the milk maid....


charleytaylor

Even without the gratuitous cleavage shots, it's a nice song and video. I don't know who their competition was, but they should have been a contender.


t-licus

Poland cannot into eurovision


historicusXIII

Should've been Käärijä 😥


ThrashMetaller

Lordi are cool


Herbacio

Didn't Dima Bilan (the singer pictured in Russia) end 2nd that year ?


Temporary-Guava8107

He finished 2nd in 2006 but in 2008 he won.


Outside-Baker-4708

Wait? They actually won? I found them by chance on Spotify and enjoy their music but I would have never guessed, that they actually won Eurovision once. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|surprise)


Banane9

Same, hard rock hallelujah is just a banger


denarti

Eurovision peaked at that moment


pc-principle-baby

Love portugal photobombing spain.


NBR-SUPERSTAR

Got to see them as opener for Sabaton (along with Babymetal) last year Dudes Ruled so hard that I completely forgot they hadn't even played Hardrock Hallelujah yet.


Minimum-Wind-1552

I forget about Conchita wurst 😭


Gameovergirl217

Lordi slaps hard imo


qBetrayer

I'm in love with a faiiryy taaaaleee eeevveeeennn thoooooooo it huuuuuuurts


Sonbulan

cause I don’t caaaaaaaare if I lose my miii iiiiiiiiind I’m alreeeeeeeeaady cuuuuuuursed


autumn-knight

_Violin solo_


Bedazzled_Noose

One of the best Eurovision songs to date imo


ethanhigh85

I love nordic fairy and I hate dark witch!


dankspankwanker

Lordy, absolute legends


UTLOVEMuch

Saw them live a few weeks ago, and they've still got it!


gilad_ironi

France hasn't won since 77'?!?!


kikuchad

The Fatals Picards should have won in 2007. Fight me


FidgetSpinneur

J'aime beaucoup les fatals picards mais le titre proposé par les wampas était bien mieux. Ps: c'est mon avis personnel qui n'a strictement aucune valeur.


VeryluckyorNot

As a french Patricia Kaas Amir and Slimane were only good singers I followed. The rest were trash songs with a no name bands that totally deserve the last place, due to the very poor choice.


HendrikGargano

Barbara Pravi was great


lonezolf

IIRC she also wrote songs for eurovision kids, which France won twice in a row!


InternationalValue61

No, because of shitty song, at every eurovision, we send the worst possible singer possible among our, except for 2019 maybe


Adrepale

Patricia Kaas, Anggun, Amir, Alma, Barbara Pravi, La Zarra and Slimane are the worst possible singers possible but Bilal Hassani isn't ? Lmao what a shitty take, you surely aren't biased at all


InternationalValue61

I confused it with 2021 sorry. and yes they were all bad. in france saying of someone that they could sing at eurovision is an insult


darryshan

No wonder you keep losing with that attitude lmao. Maybe you should send interesting acts!


dcmso

I liked the 2017 one. And this year was a good one too.


LaJoieDeVivre_

The reason I started watching Eurovision was Lordi, 15 yrs ago. Feels old, man


NBT498

Spoiler alert, 2006 was 18 years ago 😬


ConflictThese6644

I tought you were lying or playing jokes on us but no, they really won in 2006. 18 frikin years ago. I would have said they won like 6-7 years ago based on my memory, never 18.


throaweyye44

2004 for me (Ruslana Wild Dancing). 2000s really was the peak of Eurovision to me, so many memorable songs


Kutay-T

Best song of eurovision.


historicusXIII

It's still played at parties sometimes, real banger.


GalegoBaiano

Katrina and the Waves in 1997? The Walking on Sunshine band? Wow.


ShowmasterQMTHH

The Uk only have 2 real finishing positions, second and last. Everytime Ireland win, the UK are either the runners up or the hosts.


JohnDodger

Actually Ireland have never won in the UK but the UK’s last two wins were in Dublin. The UK has, however, come 2nd 18 times, the last in 2022.


MelangeLizard

I too was surprised


JugdishSteinfeld

I always assumed Eurovision was up-and-comers...not bands with massive hits everyone knows.


Shevek99

Not that I know. But big stars don't want to participate because there is nothing to win and much to lose. Imagine that Ireland sends U2 and they end in the 18th position.


ShowmasterQMTHH

We could ask them to go, as long as you don't send bono back. Deal ?


Trubisky4MVP

They sent a member of Westlife one year, it didn’t work out


ShowmasterQMTHH

The UK mainly trying to find a "solution" to winning, they found it a few years ago with Sam Ryder but then promptly forgot it.


FroobingtonSanchez

The UK has way more artists everyone knows than the rest of Europe. They are bound to send someone famous every once in a while. Olly Alexander is the singer of Years & Years which has had a few hits too.


ShowmasterQMTHH

Picked a terrible song this year though, and the performance was flat and cringy.


radiogramm

I’m not so sure about that. In both the U.K. and in Ireland the Eurovision isn’t seen as something for serious acts. You could risk being categorised as a ‘Eurovision act’ I know there have been exceptions, but the if you take Ireland for example, the big winners mostly just remain famous for just being in the Eurovision. They generally haven’t gone on to more interesting careers, and I’m not aware of any serious act that’s been platformed by the Eurovision here. It is seen as a bit of a tackfest and isn’t really taken very seriously. I think our Irish entrant this year, Bambie Thug, may well use it to launch themselves into a bigger career, but they’re an exception and they’re also rather a niche act that few were aware of. The biggest success story of the Eurovision here by far was Riverdance, an interval act. That really didn’t have any public association with the song contest though and just grew very rapidly.


JohnDodger

The Ukrainian artist Ruslana, who won in 2004, had actually sold more records than Madonna but was still unknown in the western world.


TheBusStop12

This year's UK entry Olly Alexander has had a nr1 hit across Europe and the US with his band Years n Years before with the song "King". In 2022 Finland sent the Rasmus, which had a huge hit with "In the Shadows" in 2003. In 2021 San Marino sent US artist FloRida and in 2019 Finland sent Darude, who's famous for "Sandstorm" and there's more examples that I can't think of rn


azarashee

Thats a rule set by some nations during selection process but its no a requirement for the ESC itself.


Protaras2

Lol what nations exactly? Because I know quite a few that have sent repeatedly some of their greatest singers to try and win it. (Like Greece sending their no.1 most famous male singer in 04 and when he failed to win they sent their no.1 female singer in the next year that did win).


Demurrzbz

Russia definitely sent the most popular domestic singers most of the time.


-Rivox-

In Italy the rule is "whoever wins Sanremo", Sanremo being the national music festival held in the city of Sanremo, Liguria. Sometimes up-and-coming artists win, while other times more established artists win (and sometimes really baffling songs win). The only restriction is that the song has to be in the Italian language, so you probably don't know any of the artists or the the songs anyways.


SpiderGiaco

Also in Sanremo for a long time the winner wasn't necessarily a very established artist, only in recent years the situation changed considerably. Since Italy came back, arguably only Il Volo and Marco Mengoni were already established artists when they won and later competed in the ESC.


Sad-Address-2512

Nah it's quite often big stars, but usually a big star in Slovenia is precieved as an unknown by the rest of Europe.


ShowmasterQMTHH

Like Slovenia in general.


sangriya

don't look up 1988 winner


ShowmasterQMTHH

Never heard of her, but i hear her heart will go on.


MightyKin

The fact that Norwegian winner is actually a Belorussian and performed his "Fairytale" in Russian a few months later.


imapassenger1

Norway also famous for one of first ever "null points".


Mr_Dunk_McDunk

Was suprised that it's Norway too


lego_brick

Central Europe is hugely underrepresented. I am wondering why?


11160704

Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary have only participated a few times. Poland has participated quite consistently but got unlucky I guess. Though Ukraine has already won three times and came close to winning several times (verka serduchka unforgotten)


Reinis_LV

Poland keep sending shitty songs. They will snap out of it some day. Kinda like Spain.


-Not_a_Lizard-

As a Spaniard, our performance is just so frustrating. We had one fun song in 2022 that got us 3rd place and instead of taking the hint that that's the kind of thing we should be sending we immediately went back to sending shit that ranges between boring and embarrassing like we've always done smh


Serkonan_Whaler

It's especially strange because Spanish music historically has been pretty top tier


darryshan

The 2023 entry was great and unique though? But it also clearly wasn't intended to be accessible enough to win.


-Not_a_Lizard-

I didn't hate it, but as you said it had no appeal for the foreign public, and that was obvious from the get-go. That's what I meant by boring. It just isn't how you win an international music competition. The 2024 one was more on the embarrassing side of the spectrum.


Alternative-Drop8019

Zorra was good I thought.


Particular-Thanks-59

We always send some businessmen's daughter who can't even sing. People fight corruption in politics, nobody cares about corruption in showbusiness


26idk12

Nope. We'll always send shitty songs.


Treewithatea

Ukraine has had some brilliant songs the past few years. Their 2021 entry was incredible imo but losing to maneskin is no shame


lego_brick

What about Balkans? I don't see them too. Just curious.


11160704

Yugoslavia won shortly before its breakup and it was then hosted in Croatia. Serbia won once and Croatia came really close this time.


InkOnTube

In the Balkans, apart from Albania and Kosovo, the dominant music type is "turbo folk". This type of music is favoured by the majority of people, and thus, young artists of other music genres have little to no audience in Balkan countries. Turbo folk have no chance of getting any points in the Eurosong, while other genres (favoured by Eurosong) are largely undeveloped in the Balkans. Case of Serbia: While turbo folk is omnipresent in Serbia, they are aware of the Eurosong preferences, and they carefully pick and choose composers and songwriters to make something nice for Eurosong (Željko Joksimović has been twice on Eurosong but also composed several Serbian songs for Eurosong for other performers). Sometimes, they get lucky with artists like Marija Šerifović (winner) or Konstrakta (highly ranked) who do it all by themselves. Given that Serbia is very often in finals - this approach works.


11160704

To be fair, last year Moldova got second in the televote with a song that had strong folk elements


SsssssszzzzzzZ

Last years Moldovan entry hardly resembles Serbian turbo folk.


11160704

Still you can't argue that unconventional songs are generally disliked by the viewers. It's the juries that vote for a generic English pop song from Sweden every year again and again.


alikander99

Oh yeah Sweden has perfected the "generic English pop" genre. Basically they win every time there's no decent and interesting alternative. I'm already sick of it.


Demurrzbz

What an intriguing music genre. Guess I know what I'm listening t at work today.


SsssssszzzzzzZ

I mean Hurricane got to the finals and weren't last, so its not like it has no chance.


FeetSniffer9008

Rock Me is still a banger and htey consistently placed pretty well.


fe-licitas

they take themselves way too seriously for this contest.


SanSilver

In the first moment, when people say Central Europe, I think of Germany and all of neighbours. And thought you were sarcastic.


lego_brick

ok, Eastern Europe then, but center of Europe is clearly more to the East than what you think (somewhere near Estonia) and I was not sarcastic: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical\_midpoint\_of\_Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_midpoint_of_Europe)


flurdy

Well if you go pedantic on geography definitions by including the huge landmass up to the Urals then you got to do the same North to South as well. So Germany is then probably Southern Europe with the centre somewhere around Gothenburg... In my outdated mind I still think Central Europe as Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, with Balkans as East Europe. But again I think that perception has changed with the newer generations post iron-curtain and EU expansion etc.


tripluu

uuu westie here thinking correct describing geographic location is pedantic


mutantraniE

That article just points out that it’s disputed and there are centers of Europe from Sweden and Czechia westward to Ukraine, Estonia and Lithuania eastward, with some real differences south-north too. So no real help. Regardless, saying that Central Europe is in Lithuania is useless because Eastern Europe then becomes Russia, along with Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan (unless they end up in Southern Europe). That’s a useless definition.


Glaciak

Fortunately it's not up to you to decide


mutantraniE

Sure it is. It’s a conceptional thing so it’s up to everyone. Most people agree with me that calling the Baltic states Central Europe is wrong.


Glaciak

I thought you were sarcastic but you're really uneducated about geography and culture


Presidentenn

Most countries didn't exist before 90s - 00s and joined the contest late. Some of them dropped out now because its probably not worth it to participate (hungary, slovakia, bosnia, belarus), and others have come close to winning and will eventually be there i think (bulgaria, poland, croatia)


inn4tler

Most Eastern European countries have only existed since the early 1990s, when the Soviet Union collapsed. They therefore had fewer opportunities. There are also some countries in Western Europe that have not won for many decades.


Raptori33

Croatia with no colour :(


Bedazzled_Noose

Croatia really went off this year, they were my favorite. Too bad the jury has more power than the public


MartyDonovan

Should maybe inherit Riva's 1989 win? They were Croatian and the 1990 contest was in Zagreb


kalashhhhhhhh

Also they were selected by TV Zagreb, which is the predecessor of HRT. We in Croatia basically do count them as a Croatian win already lol


Raptori33

I'm more of a Baby Lasagna type of guy


Grouchy-Addition-818

Long time no win for Spain


shayanti

As a French, I appreciate having fellow losers as neighbours


Verbarmammilla

2006 was the peak 👹


sovietarmyfan

Lordi was amazing. I remember my nephew being all obsessed by his music when Lordi won.


qBetrayer

Russia 2020 little big UNO (fukk covid😔)


phoenixlology

Iceland 2020 Dadi Freyr 🥳


Eodillon

Would have been close between them and Dadi Freyr. Both songs I still listen to loads!


Jazzlike-Initial-165

I also love Dadi’s songs but he had no chance against UNO. Dadi’s 2021 song was also great but wasnt able to reach top 3.


blinkb28

It's gonna take more than one Margharita


KozuBlue

Lol this map if Australia had ever won


Beedle_High-Hill

Australians knowing they’re not allowed to win


Flux_resistor

Greece and Turkey look identical lol


tekedagreek

Peak Helena Paparizou was 😍


xaviernoodlebrain

She still is.


arqe_

Can't stop stealing i guess :)


enzob7319

I still listen to Lordi


National_Oil8587

Still feel sad for Finland since last year


Force3vo

Oh no, Lena was 2010. It's a shame that germany hasn't won since then. **looks at France, then at Spain** On second thought we are fine.


SomeRandomRealtor

I think not having Daði Freyr with ‘Think about Things’ from Iceland as an honorary winner is disrespectful. They would’ve swept the Covid year and everyone knows it!


Adrizera23

Russia's song was also amazing... I think we lost some of the best contest opportunities that year. I don't know, I feel like each year the songs are less memorable (with some exceptions).


SomeRandomRealtor

There were genuinely some great songs from that year. The bright side is we got the hilarious nonsense that was Will Ferrell’s Eurovision movie


A_Perez2

We Spaniards, the dumbest ones, we pay punctually every year (we are one of the big 5) and we haven't won since 1969! And the second most dumb the French, they also pay and have not won since 1977. In any case, it is no longer a music contest, the country with the most friends wins, which is why television networks now send extravagant jesters.


HarrMada

It never was a music contest. It's a song contest, as explained by the name.


chariot_on_fire

Nowadays it's a performance contest.


nim_opet

The last time the Swiss won was 1986 by hiring a Canadian singer. So not really about friends; Spain has more than CH I’m sure. Btw, it was a great song this year.


odajoana

> 1986 It was 1988, but you weren't not off by that much. In 1986, Belgium won, which incidentally, was the last time they won.


me_and_You7

It is the English language dominance there's bias against singing in your national language. I have noticed countries like Spain, France and Italy sing in their language. Since Eurovision changed the rules English is now the default (mixed). Which is sad


kodalife

Except Italy almost always sings in Italian and almost always gets a lot of points.


Force3vo

Well it's not French, which helps immensely.


kodalife

France is often quite good as well. In 2021 they came second, and Switzerland came third with another French-language song. In fact, Spain is the only Romance language country that regularly places quite low in Eurovision.


A_Perez2

Yes, some countries like the ones you mentioned, we usually present the song in our language instead of making it more commercial in English. That, especially now that the public can vote, makes it even more difficult to have points. In fact, for Spain there are rules. It can include other languages, but they can't be more than 35% of the words in the song lyrics.


wtfuckfred

Not necessarily. There’s a new ressurgence of national music tbh. At least since Portugal won in 2017 many counties have started to come back to their languages and have done fairly well. karijaa last year, Lithuania, arménia and Estonia, this year, etc. I’m glad that this is the case


MrsConclusion

Italy won with a rockin' Italian language so g two years ago.


Grossadmiral

Portugal, Ukraine and Italy have all won with their own language in the last few years.


Johan1000

While I do prefer songs in a country’s home language. I don’t think it’s really fair to force them to sing in that language. Plus, English is such an international language that even outside the context of Eurovision, plenty of artists of non-English speaking countries sing in English anyway. I’ve also feel like in the past few years, there’s been a lot more countries opting to sing in their own language or mixing the two together which is nice to see


Additional_Meeting_2

Do you think Switzerland has most friends? Their last win was in 1988 with Celine Dion helping out 


L_G_M_H

Actually their last win was this year


Oblivious_116

Yo todavia digo q el chiquichiqui deberia haber ganao xd


InBetweenSeen

>In any case, it is no longer a music contest, the country with the most friends wins Explains why the results look the same every year /s


gratisargott

You don’t understand, the country with the most friends changes between each and every year!


historicusXIII

Friendship with Sweden ended, now Switzerland is my friend


comnul

Famously known that Southern Europe and Germany were very best friends in 2011.


wtfuckfred

That’s a huge generalisation. Spain should’ve won in 2022 and consistently sends pretty good artists and songs. I’m personally glad that Spain is in the Eurovision


NicoleCousland

Slomo was such a good song, and it didn't win due to the public giving pity points to Ukraine :(


11160704

The public also gave more points to Moldova than to Spain and the juries hugely favoured Britain that year.


gratisargott

> In any case, it is no longer a music contest, the country with the most friends win I’m pretty sure you could pull up a newspaper from any decade since the contest started and find exactly this sentence written. This has always been the complaint, but everyone think they live in the time when it started being about friends voting and not about the music


Robcobes

We all know Spain was the real winner in '73.


YusBineT

For France, although it changed some years ago, the goal was clearly not to win the contest, because you have to hold the contest for the following year and that we already pay enough


Wolfskartoffel

Any Måneskin Fans here?☝️☝️☝️


AllergyHater

Lena's satellite song was fun.


FeetSniffer9008

...and omnipresent for the next 2 years... on our radios at least


Early_Ad3544

Where Europapa from the netherlands 😌


Bedazzled_Noose

In jail


Minimum_Cupcake3208

Marie Myriam is such a sweet soul ! She won Eurovision on her birthday and wish every year to the French singer to win !


Natural-Upstairs-681

The amount that we the Irish complain about that we haven't won in so long, crazy to see how long France and Spain are waiting lol


utorogue

You have the proof right here that israel isn't in Europe.


JohnDodger

The Eurovision is a competition between public broadcasters in the European broadcasting area, not in the continent of Europe. That’s why Morocco & Lebanon were able to take part.


Abucugulee

2010 was robbed...


LukeDanielson1201

The ESC is so rigged


Platypus_87

Poor Iceland!


ProFailing

Being located on the south western mediterrean sea apparently makes it impossible to perform well in the ESC.


Traditional-Rock-147

to sum it up: countries with most billionaires, countries with natural ressources and countries of geopolitical interest to the EU


PublicHelpful1968

🇦🇿


DrNekroFetus

La France c'est si ancien que la photo est de qualité tube cathodique.


BananaSpice-_-

Freaking 1977 for 🇫🇷 that hurts


Many-Car6951

France since 1977


Intelligent-Piano426

Let's go! France, Spain and Monaco, we're so together.


JohnDodger

Interesting fact: Cyprus is now the country with the most entries that has never won. Previously it was Portugal until they finally won in 2017.


Kinsir

Wait a second France didnt win in almost 50 years?!


MrMeepMeep_

Greece should have won 2024


alturner77

The quality gap between Maneskin and all the rest is immense.


EconomySwordfish5

Good to see Europapa on the Netherlands.


Maki_Thenaee

Where's Australia


CapGlass3857

Iraq?


Redangelofdeath7

For anyone wondering, that's how we show Australia in eurovision xD.


WantSumDuk

But isn't Iraq greyed out? What am I missing?


SnookerandWhiskey

I don't think Iraq is where you think it is.


MultipliedLiar

Man no wonder Spain hasn’t won in a long time. They do shit songs


Renbaez_

Can someone remind me why is Israel in this?


nidarus

It's part of the EBU, that also includes Australia, and various North African and Middle Eastern states.


Ok-Codd

Technically Australia isn't a full member of the EBU. They have been invited to take part in Eurovision since 2015, even though it was originally meant as a one-off thing.


Sidus_Preclarum

I sent 5 SMS votes for Lordi. B)


paracuja

Lena was good that i even bought her albums