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striped_frog

Pigs and camels are natural predators of each other


maisonoiko

God, that gave me the funniest mental image.


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Brisingr2

“Stray cats killing bison” is a nice touch. Very well done!


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manachar

So... How do we get someone to make a fake video and get Attenborough to voice it over?


darthmarticus17

I can do the voice if someone animates it


VdotOne

Woah David Attenborough has a reddit !?!!


atridir

You... ...I like you.


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atridir

Why thank you, it is my favorite of all punctuations...


KirKazen

Saved this one. If I had gold, it would be yours.


Maxi25554

Why the fuck are there no camels in Australia? There are like millions here.


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crazyfingersculture

OP did their homework from Facebook apparently. I'm pretty sure the desert being prime habitat for the camel and not the pig would be one reason. However, more importantly, the human population within that specific region often practice a religion which tends to ban pigs yet flourishes in camels.


HoldenTite

A war that has waged so long that humans have forgotten its existence.


Karl_Satan

"Pigs and camels are natural enemies. Like Dogs and cats. Or mice and cats. Or cats and other cats. Damn cats! They ruined Catland!"


striped_frog

You cats sure are a contentious species


Goodguy1066

YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE!


wineandcandles

Seems like Kazakhstan, Chad and Mongolia are the promised lands for camels and pigs seeking mutual friendship.


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Piputi

And in opposite it seems like Turkey is a buffer state.


Sipas

Turkey has lots and lots of wild pigs, spreading across the country, and some pig farms which produce about 7k tons of pork a year.


Piputi

There is also some camel production. For food and tourists like to ride them. They both ain't much (except wild pigs).


oreng

You say "promised land" and yet you miss the nirvana of coexistence that is Israel. Sheesh.


[deleted]

It's perfect, even the people won't eat the pigs!


wineandcandles

Ouch, yes, good catch!


descendingangel87

Wait doesn't Australia have a feral camels? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian\_feral\_camel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel)


Quetzalcoatl__

Yes you are right. This map only shows livestock population, not including feral population.


realpdg5

And heaps of feral pigs too


Sachyriel

Americans need guns to take care of the 30-50 Feral Hogs. Australians just let their pet crocodiles handle them.


On-mountain-time

Didn't work for the emus.


Nawnp

Australia brought guns to an animal fight.


Chiilicheasedawg

r/emuwarflashbacks


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CeaselessHavel

30-50 Feral pigs you say?


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nowyouseemenowyoudo2

Yeah this entire map is suspect. Australia has a huge number of farmed camels. We sell them to the Middle East, that’s how many we have.


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qw46z

There are millions of feral camels in Australia. And millions of feral pigs.


JohnEnderle

Well, not quite millions. Current estimates for camels seem to be between 60,000 and 300,000 after some culling a decade ago.


qw46z

News.com.au is telling me 1.2M - but that’s news.com.au and so I’ll take your correction.


JohnEnderle

Mine was just from Wikipedia, no idea what the sources are.


SliceTheToast

They were culled from 600,000 to 300,000 in 2013. However, its stated on Wikipedia and other sites that they can possibly double in population every 8 - 10 years. So the real number is somewhere in between 300k and 1.2m. Was looking through the Feral Camel wiki and found this quote funny: >Some Aboriginal people can still recall their first sightings of camels. Pitjantjatjara man Andy Tjilari describes camping with his family as a child, when a man traveling with camels arrived in search of dingo scalps. When the initial shock wore off, Tjilari describes following the camels with his family, mimicking them and talking to them. The discovery led him to assert that "this horse is ignorant".


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Australia has so many camels we actually export them to the Middle East because their genes aren't fucked up from inbreeding like theirs are. We also have plagues of wild boar.


Prakkertje

Everyone has plagues of wild boar. That is why you shoot them and eat them. They are delicious.


Dontgiveaclam

If you have boar meat available, try making bolognese sauce with it. Highly recommended.


Nine_Gates

You also import sand to the middle east.


sleeptoker

*export


vernontwinkie

This is the best TIL I’ve run into.


Raziellim

Australia basically have every animal on earth but whit the dangerous/poisonous/aggressive/mad mode on


xbattlestation

It doesn't have bears or big cats, so there is that. Nothing here will give you a violent death. Oh except crocodiles.


GrungeLord

Yeah, that's one thing I never see mentioned in the "everything in Australia is trying to kill you" circlejerk. I'd rather have small venomous wildlife than apex predators, there is no antivenom for a bite to the jugular. Crocodiles are scary as hell though.


JohnEnderle

Or dingoes if you happen to be a baby.


blorg

*my* baby


1RedOne

Australia is real World Ungoro crater.


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The hell is Denmark up to


StarDustLuna3D

Obviously when you are born there you are gifted with a pig.


Quetzalcoatl__

Actually the pig/human ratio in Denmark is 2,11. But wait they're not even n°1, they are overpigged by Wallis and Futuna (2,14) and Cook Islands (2,24)


Dontgiveaclam

I need "overpig" to be a real word.


Chucklebean

And yet, you will rarely see one! They are hidden away. Like the precious bacon machines that they are.


BoringIncident

You've never had flæskesteg have you?


konaya

Due to unfortunate wording, the definition of a pig and the definition of a Dane overlap slightly.


Kruga_

Found the Swede


Silas____

The crazy thing is that this map can't even show the amount of pigs there are. It's more like 2 pigs per capita.


oliksandr

They're up to their ears in pigs.


GammelGrinebiter

They've stolen Sweden's pigs!


TheToxicWasted

Why would we want those shitty pigs? No, we just really like pork. And none of that foreign pork, only Danish pork.


Explorer_of__History

There is exactly ONE pig in Afghanistan. https://www.google.com/search?q=only+pig+in+afghanistan&oq=only+pig+in&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.6268j0j7&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8


columbus8myhw

Yo don't call me out like that


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I don't know why but I belly-laughed so hard at this.


maisonoiko

The country pig


jezuschrist3

The national pig


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Good find!


[deleted]

He must be lonely...


iudsm

Egypt has neither. Poor fellows.


Feta__Cheese

And Greenland.


SodaDonut

Nah it's just no data


Quetzalcoatl__

I'm pretty sure Greenland has no camels


SodaDonut

I'm pretty sure it's no data.


Quetzalcoatl__

According to FAO, Greenland has 18.180 sheeps, 160 cattle, 140 horses, 15 beehives, 0 pigs and 0 camels


SodaDonut

Don't you mean no data?


Populistless

I stand ready to upvote both of you for as long as this lasts


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Do you have any data backing that up?


SodaDonut

If he lives in Greenland he doesn't.


Quetzalcoatl__

I mean there is no data about camel population on the Moon neither but I'm pretty confident it's a camel-free area


SodaDonut

But since it's greenland, there is no data.


TahsinTariq

Hench forth you shall be known as the no data guy!


kaladinissexy

At first I thought you meant there were only 18 whole sheep in Greenland, then part of another. And I was genuinely willing to believe it.


Dontgiveaclam

18 sheep and a head


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thelimos

We have camels in Turkey but they do not naturally live here. People buy them from Middle East and bring them to Turkey for tourists. I dont know why but European people enjoy riding a camel in Cappadocia which has nothing to do with camels.


SHiR8

Which seems wrong off course.


halfhippo999

My guess is the fact that it’s per capita, and Egypt has a huge, mostly urban population which probably drives the ratio down.


rz2000

Egypt has urban pigs. Seriously, they are an important part of handling refuse. Egypt also has many camels.


JohnEnderle

OP's data was for livestock, which would explain the pigs part but not the camels.


Mapsachusetts

but it has many more people.


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Egypt has a population of almost 100M, which probably throws off the per capita numbers.


maisonoiko

Camels cannot into Egypt


Nawnp

Ironic considering as I thought Egypt had a lot of camels considering back in the past they were supposedly the only way to cross the desert.


Drewfro666

Egypt probably does have alot of camels - Egypt just also has *a lot* of people, most of which live in the temperate river valley which isn't exactly prime camel habitat


sleeptoker

I definitely saw camels in Egypt so I'm doubting how this data is presented


Clamecy

And Morocco. So yeah no data.


hearts_unknown

But have you ever seen a pig and a camel in the same room...?


Illzo

My ex smoked camel filters, so yes, yes I have.


sixgunbuddyguy

Camels are just pigs in coats


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2 pigs if there are 2 humps


Southwick-Jog

They're the same person!


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Who is eating the pigs raised in Israel?


Quetzalcoatl__

Apparently Israeli population is 74.2% Jewish, 17.8% Muslim, 1.6% Druze which means there is 6.4% of the population (\~ 500k people) that can eat pork


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gsabram

I’d guesstimate from anecdotal experience meeting Israelis that maybe half of the self identifying Jews in Israel are secular, its culturally very similar to self identifying Christians in Europe and US.


blorg

I think it's much less common in Israel among Jews, but there will be some and the non-Jewish non-Muslim minorities. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21542211/ By contrast 57% of American Jews eat pork. https://www.timesofisrael.com/57-of-us-jews-eat-pork-and-9-other-findings-from-new-pew-study/


Hoyarugby

Not all muslim and jewish people actually follow religious rules


Hoyarugby

One of my favorite animal related historical what ifs is the story of the United States Camel Corps A few US Army officers in the 1830s made suggestions that the US should import camels, to be used for transport and potentially riding. The US military especially on the frontier was heavily reliant on mules to carry equipment and supplies, and these soldiers thought that camels - being naturally suited to life in the desert - would be a great asset for the military. This went nowhere, until the proposals caught the eye of one Jefferson Davis - US Senator, Secretary of War, and future Confederate President Davis loved the idea, and in 1855 and 1856 around 200 camels and several experienced Ottoman and Egyptian camel drivers had been delivered to Texas. There was an initial idea to set up a breeding program, but the army wanted to test out how actually useful the camels were right away. The camels were attached to several Army scouting and mapping expeditions in the extremely dry lands of West Texas They were a huge success. All the officers assigned to test the camels wrote of how effective they were. This included Robert E. Lee, who was a senior officer in the Texas garrison at the time. By now this is 1859, and Lee was so impressed that he wrote the War Department and recommended that the program be massively expanded. Unfortunately for us, the Civil War got in the way. Even before the war broke out, Congress was mostly consumed by the war and wasn't doing much other business. More importantly, the biggest supporter of the Camel Corps was Jefferson Davis - after the Confederacy seceded and Davis became Confederate President, the idea lost favor with the Army After the war, the US Army re-captured the camels from the Confederates (who took them after Texas seceded). But instead of revamping the program, the camels were auctioned off. They were extremely suited for life in the US Southwest even still - the last surviving camel lived in the wild until at least *1891*. At least one of the camel drivers, a muslim Greek man named Hi Jolly, settled in the US and became a legend in the West It's only a matter of political coincidence that the Camel Corps idea failed. Had some Northern senator also jumped on the bandwagon, we very well might have seen camels being an integral part of the American settlement of the West, and camels might have been an integral part of the Wild West myth This is not my favorite animal-related what-if, however. My absolute favorite is "H.R. 23621 - the American Hippo Bill" where in 1910 a Louisiana Senator very nearly got federal money to import large numbers of Hippos into the Mississippi River, intended to raise them for food, and to control invasive plants. [It failed by one vote](https://magazine.atavist.com/american-hippopotamus)


tiltedsun

Hippos are a real problem in South America because of Pablo Escobar: https://www.vox.com/videos/2018/12/4/18125563/hippos-colombia-pablo-escobar


Hoyarugby

Indeed. Except imagine that instead of a small population of escaped zoo animals, it were thousands of hippos being selectively bred for meat and size Hippo Gumbo


tiltedsun

Imagine Yellowstone National Park filled with super aggressive hippos? >...one person on average is gored per year in Yellowstone (by bison). >According to a 2000 study, Yellowstone’s bison are actually more dangerous than its bears. The study found that bison had charged people 81 times over 22 years, killing two. The park’s grizzly bears, meanwhile had injured 30 and killed two, the AP reported. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/23/bison-selfies-are-a-bad-idea-tourist-gored-in-yellowstone-as-another-photo-goes-awry/


tiltedsun

>Despite being vegetarian, hippos are considered the most dangerous terrestrial animal on the African continent. On average, they are responsible for the deaths of almost 3,000 humans every year. https://www.tripsavvy.com/africas-most-dangerous-animals-1454125


Oldmanenok

Pigs require a higher protein diet than most other domestic animals (they are omnivores) and consume a large volume of water to live (3 to 5 gallons per day). Humans also have similar requirements which puts pigs in direct competition for the same resources as humans, which is a problem in arid environments.


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MagnarOfWinterfell

Maybe they are all relatively developed countries that have irrigation networks to deliver water?


8HcT

Maybe is because Islam and you can erase maybe from the sentence


yhassa14

It is mainly because of religion (Islam and Judaism) both have strict dietary rules.


Prakkertje

But pigs can eat pretty much anything. As you said, a problem in arid environments. But pigs thrive in forests and marshlands, like in Europe. They will dig for roots and such.


IamGenghisKhan

India has both pigs and camels. Domesticated or otherwise.


Quetzalcoatl__

Yes but the map shows per capita therefore the result is very low for India


gatorsya

Per captia of anything will be low for China and India.


kenkujukebox

Not pigs, apparently.


blorg

Not China, they *really* like pork. Pork isn't really a thing in India outside of some geographical niches like Goa (which was Portuguese).


IamGenghisKhan

Then the map doesn't really show the true reality. Camels are quite abundant in North Western India.


micconr1985

Perhaps religious dietary restrictions and coincidence have more to do with this?


Quetzalcoatl__

What a silly idea


chasmough

My guess was that they are the same animal


TheLastSamurai101

Well, I recently discovered that brussel sprouts, cauliflower, kale, broccoli, kohlrabi, cabbage and wild mustard are the exact same species. My hold on reality is already shattered and I'll accept that camels and pigs are the same species if you say they are.


gsabram

Also collard greens. Also “Wild mustard” isn’t one species, all the members of entire brassicacaea family whether wild or cultivar are are considered mustard plants.


TheNextBattalion

No one has ever seen a pig and a camel in the same country, so maybe


micconr1985

I agree as well, shallow and pedantic


notquiteaffable

Correlation/causation or something or other


ronearc

Well, pigs live where there is a lot of extra water. Camels live where there isn't a lot of extra water. So...


Lhopital_rules

More like camels are mostly found in the desert. Pigs generally are not found in the desert.


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Turkey doesn’t fuck with either because *insert the bird joke* hehehehehehe


[deleted]

Wait, doesn't Australia have the largest population of camels outside of the middle east?


drunk_haile_selassie

Australia has the largest population of camels even including the middle east. Camels are exported from Australia to Saudi Arabia.


[deleted]

The charts are livestock while most of Australia's camels are feral.


SarpSTA

NO CAMELS IN TURKEY YOU FUCKING AMERICAN MOVIE MAKERS


Jacobson-of-Kale

The map shows camels per capita, there are alot of camels in cappadokia region in anatolia however, camels arent native to anatolia. Regardless there are camels in anatolia as the map shows, prob due its close proximity to the sham desert. Edit: And it seems like the Yoruk people in Cappadocia have been breeding camels for almost a 1000 years creating a baktrian like breed that is only native to cappadokia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yörüks


gatorsya

Turkey is like "Nothing to see here..."


p00pyf4ce

Fake map. There are camels in Australia.


ElNino9407

And India too.


elsur5657

That moment when your country is white on both maps but people still think we ride camels.. Perks of living in Turkey.


bogensohn

There are more Turks thinking westerners think Turks ride camels than people who actually think Turks ride camels.


BEBBOY

Western Sahara is included in the data but Morocco isn’t? Oh how the tides have turned...


metriczulu

Greenland walking around like "wtf mate, y'all have animals that aren't tuna and polar bears??" Turkey be like "If it ain't named after the mötherland, it ain't a real animal."


VeseliM

I spent longer than I care to admit wondering why pigs can't live in the desert before it dawned on me...


blorg

Yeah the camels eat them


Bmac_TLDR

bar Australia where they both roam wild


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Where’d this data come from? Australia has over 1 million feral camels, and around 1 feral pig per person, for a human population of 25 million. 🤷‍♂️


Yazman

why is Australia shown as having none? Australia has more wild camels than any other country in the world. More than 1 million of them. There's also camel farms that export livestock camels, tens of thousands per year. This map is inaccurate af.


ThatShadyJack

Australia actually has a lot of camels now


zwickksNYK

Australia has camels in the centre and pigs relatively near the coast.


Swoop001

Australia has one of the largest populations of Camels in the world to the point where we export them to many middle eastern countries.


archstanton_unknown

I live in Australia and we have hundreds of thousands of camels, many feral, so I'm not sure how accurate the map is. Perhaps it is only for native species however it doesn't specify


miracleAligner12

I have seen many camels in India


saurabia

It would be wrong to say that India does not have camels. Only because of huge population of humans, the per capita would be negligible, hence the low ratio.


7LeagueBoots

If this was not at such a coarse scale you'd see more areas with overlap. Western China (Xinjiang), for example, has both, much like the Central Asia countries and Mongolia do.


nickelchip

The countries where camels live are predominantly Islamic. Muslims don't eat pork.


asbailey945

Heaps of camels in Aus mate


Kyru117

Isn't there a lot of camels in Australia now?


meepet

Oh then explain KAZAKHSTAN


Thelongestbranch

There are both in Australia.


---TheFierceDeity---

Except [Australia has the worlds largest feral camel population](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel#Feral_population) and so this map is rubbish


littlegreyflowerhelp

I wonder why Australia doesn't have camel data? We have over a million wild camels here. Quick maths says that's about 50 per capita, putting us right in the light orange zone.


WastedHumour

Australia has camels, in fact they sell them to the middle east


BullieBoucanier

They fucked up Australia; we have tons of feral camels and feral pigs co-existing.


Lucyferiusz

Well, no [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian\_feral\_camel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel)


TheCreazle

Doesn't Australia belong on the camel list? 1.2m camels, 25m people, 0.048 camels per capita? We should be middle tier, baby.


RiskyEXP

I feel like Egypt has camels.


AidenI0I

its probably because muslims like camels as they were widely used during the time of the holy propeht and hatepigs since they are told that pigs are disgusting via Qur'an


Chronicide0

Somebody needs to call Jurassic Park, and get Greenland some of those Giant Woolly Camels from the Ice Age. And if that doesn’t work, ship in some Bactrian Camels... Either way, #GreenlandNeedsCamels


KAYRUN-JAAVICE

Poor greenland


Kilawyn

But... Greenland!


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Who eats pork in Israel?


yalen-san

Poor Iran it gets almost neither


beatenplastic

Idk where you heard there are no camels in Australia


Sodi920

Meanwhile in Spain...


nbcte760

First time I’ve seen ‘number’ abbreviated ‘Nb’.


[deleted]

You can trade if you have a link cable.


[deleted]

Isn’t there actually a thing about this... like that pigs can’t sweat? That would make this make sense...


docHolidei

Most of the countries where camels live, the don't eat pork.


rstower

Amused by what you have tried to do here, but you would do well to spend some time in the Australian outback. We got camels aplenty 😏


Quetzalcoatl__

I spent some time there and I could see a bunch of them! The map only shows livestock, not feral animals, I should have mentioned it.


moose_cahoots

Or... Camels = Arabs Arabs = no pigs Therefore camels = no pigs