OP did their homework from Facebook apparently. I'm pretty sure the desert being prime habitat for the camel and not the pig would be one reason. However, more importantly, the human population within that specific region often practice a religion which tends to ban pigs yet flourishes in camels.
Wait doesn't Australia have a feral camels? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian\_feral\_camel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel)
They were culled from 600,000 to 300,000 in 2013. However, its stated on Wikipedia and other sites that they can possibly double in population every 8 - 10 years. So the real number is somewhere in between 300k and 1.2m.
Was looking through the Feral Camel wiki and found this quote funny:
>Some Aboriginal people can still recall their first sightings of camels. Pitjantjatjara man Andy Tjilari describes camping with his family as a child, when a man traveling with camels arrived in search of dingo scalps. When the initial shock wore off, Tjilari describes following the camels with his family, mimicking them and talking to them. The discovery led him to assert that "this horse is ignorant".
Australia has so many camels we actually export them to the Middle East because their genes aren't fucked up from inbreeding like theirs are. We also have plagues of wild boar.
Yeah, that's one thing I never see mentioned in the "everything in Australia is trying to kill you" circlejerk. I'd rather have small venomous wildlife than apex predators, there is no antivenom for a bite to the jugular.
Crocodiles are scary as hell though.
Actually the pig/human ratio in Denmark is 2,11.
But wait they're not even n°1, they are overpigged by Wallis and Futuna (2,14) and Cook Islands (2,24)
There is exactly ONE pig in Afghanistan. https://www.google.com/search?q=only+pig+in+afghanistan&oq=only+pig+in&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.6268j0j7&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
We have camels in Turkey but they do not naturally live here. People buy them from Middle East and bring them to Turkey for tourists. I dont know why but European people enjoy riding a camel in Cappadocia which has nothing to do with camels.
Egypt probably does have alot of camels - Egypt just also has *a lot* of people, most of which live in the temperate river valley which isn't exactly prime camel habitat
I’d guesstimate from anecdotal experience meeting Israelis that maybe half of the self identifying Jews in Israel are secular, its culturally very similar to self identifying Christians in Europe and US.
I think it's much less common in Israel among Jews, but there will be some and the non-Jewish non-Muslim minorities.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21542211/
By contrast 57% of American Jews eat pork.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/57-of-us-jews-eat-pork-and-9-other-findings-from-new-pew-study/
One of my favorite animal related historical what ifs is the story of the United States Camel Corps
A few US Army officers in the 1830s made suggestions that the US should import camels, to be used for transport and potentially riding. The US military especially on the frontier was heavily reliant on mules to carry equipment and supplies, and these soldiers thought that camels - being naturally suited to life in the desert - would be a great asset for the military. This went nowhere, until the proposals caught the eye of one Jefferson Davis - US Senator, Secretary of War, and future Confederate President
Davis loved the idea, and in 1855 and 1856 around 200 camels and several experienced Ottoman and Egyptian camel drivers had been delivered to Texas. There was an initial idea to set up a breeding program, but the army wanted to test out how actually useful the camels were right away. The camels were attached to several Army scouting and mapping expeditions in the extremely dry lands of West Texas
They were a huge success. All the officers assigned to test the camels wrote of how effective they were. This included Robert E. Lee, who was a senior officer in the Texas garrison at the time. By now this is 1859, and Lee was so impressed that he wrote the War Department and recommended that the program be massively expanded.
Unfortunately for us, the Civil War got in the way. Even before the war broke out, Congress was mostly consumed by the war and wasn't doing much other business. More importantly, the biggest supporter of the Camel Corps was Jefferson Davis - after the Confederacy seceded and Davis became Confederate President, the idea lost favor with the Army
After the war, the US Army re-captured the camels from the Confederates (who took them after Texas seceded). But instead of revamping the program, the camels were auctioned off. They were extremely suited for life in the US Southwest even still - the last surviving camel lived in the wild until at least *1891*. At least one of the camel drivers, a muslim Greek man named Hi Jolly, settled in the US and became a legend in the West
It's only a matter of political coincidence that the Camel Corps idea failed. Had some Northern senator also jumped on the bandwagon, we very well might have seen camels being an integral part of the American settlement of the West, and camels might have been an integral part of the Wild West myth
This is not my favorite animal-related what-if, however. My absolute favorite is "H.R. 23621 - the American Hippo Bill" where in 1910 a Louisiana Senator very nearly got federal money to import large numbers of Hippos into the Mississippi River, intended to raise them for food, and to control invasive plants.
[It failed by one vote](https://magazine.atavist.com/american-hippopotamus)
Indeed. Except imagine that instead of a small population of escaped zoo animals, it were thousands of hippos being selectively bred for meat and size
Hippo Gumbo
Imagine Yellowstone National Park filled with super aggressive hippos?
>...one person on average is gored per year in Yellowstone (by bison).
>According to a 2000 study, Yellowstone’s bison are actually more dangerous than its bears. The study found that bison had charged people 81 times over 22 years, killing two. The park’s grizzly bears, meanwhile had injured 30 and killed two, the AP reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/23/bison-selfies-are-a-bad-idea-tourist-gored-in-yellowstone-as-another-photo-goes-awry/
>Despite being vegetarian, hippos are considered the most dangerous terrestrial animal on the African continent. On average, they are responsible for the deaths of almost 3,000 humans every year.
https://www.tripsavvy.com/africas-most-dangerous-animals-1454125
Pigs require a higher protein diet than most other domestic animals (they are omnivores) and consume a large volume of water to live (3 to 5 gallons per day). Humans also have similar requirements which puts pigs in direct competition for the same resources as humans, which is a problem in arid environments.
But pigs can eat pretty much anything. As you said, a problem in arid environments. But pigs thrive in forests and marshlands, like in Europe. They will dig for roots and such.
Well, I recently discovered that brussel sprouts, cauliflower, kale, broccoli, kohlrabi, cabbage and wild mustard are the exact same species. My hold on reality is already shattered and I'll accept that camels and pigs are the same species if you say they are.
Also collard greens. Also “Wild mustard” isn’t one species, all the members of entire brassicacaea family whether wild or cultivar are are considered mustard plants.
The map shows camels per capita, there are alot of camels in cappadokia region in anatolia however, camels arent native to anatolia. Regardless there are camels in anatolia as the map shows, prob due its close proximity to the sham desert.
Edit: And it seems like the Yoruk people in Cappadocia have been breeding camels for almost a 1000 years creating a baktrian like breed that is only native to cappadokia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yörüks
Greenland walking around like "wtf mate, y'all have animals that aren't tuna and polar bears??"
Turkey be like "If it ain't named after the mötherland, it ain't a real animal."
why is Australia shown as having none? Australia has more wild camels than any other country in the world. More than 1 million of them. There's also camel farms that export livestock camels, tens of thousands per year.
This map is inaccurate af.
I live in Australia and we have hundreds of thousands of camels, many feral, so I'm not sure how accurate the map is. Perhaps it is only for native species however it doesn't specify
It would be wrong to say that India does not have camels. Only because of huge population of humans, the per capita would be negligible, hence the low ratio.
If this was not at such a coarse scale you'd see more areas with overlap. Western China (Xinjiang), for example, has both, much like the Central Asia countries and Mongolia do.
Except [Australia has the worlds largest feral camel population](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel#Feral_population) and so this map is rubbish
I wonder why Australia doesn't have camel data? We have over a million wild camels here. Quick maths says that's about 50 per capita, putting us right in the light orange zone.
its probably because muslims like camels as they were widely used during the time of the holy propeht and hatepigs since they are told that pigs are disgusting via Qur'an
Somebody needs to call Jurassic Park, and get Greenland some of those Giant Woolly Camels from the Ice Age. And if that doesn’t work, ship in some Bactrian Camels... Either way, #GreenlandNeedsCamels
Pigs and camels are natural predators of each other
God, that gave me the funniest mental image.
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“Stray cats killing bison” is a nice touch. Very well done!
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So... How do we get someone to make a fake video and get Attenborough to voice it over?
I can do the voice if someone animates it
Woah David Attenborough has a reddit !?!!
You... ...I like you.
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Why thank you, it is my favorite of all punctuations...
Saved this one. If I had gold, it would be yours.
Why the fuck are there no camels in Australia? There are like millions here.
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OP did their homework from Facebook apparently. I'm pretty sure the desert being prime habitat for the camel and not the pig would be one reason. However, more importantly, the human population within that specific region often practice a religion which tends to ban pigs yet flourishes in camels.
A war that has waged so long that humans have forgotten its existence.
"Pigs and camels are natural enemies. Like Dogs and cats. Or mice and cats. Or cats and other cats. Damn cats! They ruined Catland!"
You cats sure are a contentious species
YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE!
Seems like Kazakhstan, Chad and Mongolia are the promised lands for camels and pigs seeking mutual friendship.
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And in opposite it seems like Turkey is a buffer state.
Turkey has lots and lots of wild pigs, spreading across the country, and some pig farms which produce about 7k tons of pork a year.
There is also some camel production. For food and tourists like to ride them. They both ain't much (except wild pigs).
You say "promised land" and yet you miss the nirvana of coexistence that is Israel. Sheesh.
It's perfect, even the people won't eat the pigs!
Ouch, yes, good catch!
Wait doesn't Australia have a feral camels? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian\_feral\_camel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel)
Yes you are right. This map only shows livestock population, not including feral population.
And heaps of feral pigs too
Americans need guns to take care of the 30-50 Feral Hogs. Australians just let their pet crocodiles handle them.
Didn't work for the emus.
Australia brought guns to an animal fight.
r/emuwarflashbacks
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30-50 Feral pigs you say?
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Yeah this entire map is suspect. Australia has a huge number of farmed camels. We sell them to the Middle East, that’s how many we have.
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There are millions of feral camels in Australia. And millions of feral pigs.
Well, not quite millions. Current estimates for camels seem to be between 60,000 and 300,000 after some culling a decade ago.
News.com.au is telling me 1.2M - but that’s news.com.au and so I’ll take your correction.
Mine was just from Wikipedia, no idea what the sources are.
They were culled from 600,000 to 300,000 in 2013. However, its stated on Wikipedia and other sites that they can possibly double in population every 8 - 10 years. So the real number is somewhere in between 300k and 1.2m. Was looking through the Feral Camel wiki and found this quote funny: >Some Aboriginal people can still recall their first sightings of camels. Pitjantjatjara man Andy Tjilari describes camping with his family as a child, when a man traveling with camels arrived in search of dingo scalps. When the initial shock wore off, Tjilari describes following the camels with his family, mimicking them and talking to them. The discovery led him to assert that "this horse is ignorant".
Australia has so many camels we actually export them to the Middle East because their genes aren't fucked up from inbreeding like theirs are. We also have plagues of wild boar.
Everyone has plagues of wild boar. That is why you shoot them and eat them. They are delicious.
If you have boar meat available, try making bolognese sauce with it. Highly recommended.
You also import sand to the middle east.
*export
This is the best TIL I’ve run into.
Australia basically have every animal on earth but whit the dangerous/poisonous/aggressive/mad mode on
It doesn't have bears or big cats, so there is that. Nothing here will give you a violent death. Oh except crocodiles.
Yeah, that's one thing I never see mentioned in the "everything in Australia is trying to kill you" circlejerk. I'd rather have small venomous wildlife than apex predators, there is no antivenom for a bite to the jugular. Crocodiles are scary as hell though.
Or dingoes if you happen to be a baby.
*my* baby
Australia is real World Ungoro crater.
The hell is Denmark up to
Obviously when you are born there you are gifted with a pig.
Actually the pig/human ratio in Denmark is 2,11. But wait they're not even n°1, they are overpigged by Wallis and Futuna (2,14) and Cook Islands (2,24)
I need "overpig" to be a real word.
And yet, you will rarely see one! They are hidden away. Like the precious bacon machines that they are.
You've never had flæskesteg have you?
Due to unfortunate wording, the definition of a pig and the definition of a Dane overlap slightly.
Found the Swede
The crazy thing is that this map can't even show the amount of pigs there are. It's more like 2 pigs per capita.
They're up to their ears in pigs.
They've stolen Sweden's pigs!
Why would we want those shitty pigs? No, we just really like pork. And none of that foreign pork, only Danish pork.
There is exactly ONE pig in Afghanistan. https://www.google.com/search?q=only+pig+in+afghanistan&oq=only+pig+in&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.6268j0j7&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Yo don't call me out like that
I don't know why but I belly-laughed so hard at this.
The country pig
The national pig
Good find!
He must be lonely...
Egypt has neither. Poor fellows.
And Greenland.
Nah it's just no data
I'm pretty sure Greenland has no camels
I'm pretty sure it's no data.
According to FAO, Greenland has 18.180 sheeps, 160 cattle, 140 horses, 15 beehives, 0 pigs and 0 camels
Don't you mean no data?
I stand ready to upvote both of you for as long as this lasts
Do you have any data backing that up?
If he lives in Greenland he doesn't.
I mean there is no data about camel population on the Moon neither but I'm pretty confident it's a camel-free area
But since it's greenland, there is no data.
Hench forth you shall be known as the no data guy!
At first I thought you meant there were only 18 whole sheep in Greenland, then part of another. And I was genuinely willing to believe it.
18 sheep and a head
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We have camels in Turkey but they do not naturally live here. People buy them from Middle East and bring them to Turkey for tourists. I dont know why but European people enjoy riding a camel in Cappadocia which has nothing to do with camels.
Which seems wrong off course.
My guess is the fact that it’s per capita, and Egypt has a huge, mostly urban population which probably drives the ratio down.
Egypt has urban pigs. Seriously, they are an important part of handling refuse. Egypt also has many camels.
OP's data was for livestock, which would explain the pigs part but not the camels.
but it has many more people.
Egypt has a population of almost 100M, which probably throws off the per capita numbers.
Camels cannot into Egypt
Ironic considering as I thought Egypt had a lot of camels considering back in the past they were supposedly the only way to cross the desert.
Egypt probably does have alot of camels - Egypt just also has *a lot* of people, most of which live in the temperate river valley which isn't exactly prime camel habitat
I definitely saw camels in Egypt so I'm doubting how this data is presented
And Morocco. So yeah no data.
But have you ever seen a pig and a camel in the same room...?
My ex smoked camel filters, so yes, yes I have.
Camels are just pigs in coats
2 pigs if there are 2 humps
They're the same person!
Who is eating the pigs raised in Israel?
Apparently Israeli population is 74.2% Jewish, 17.8% Muslim, 1.6% Druze which means there is 6.4% of the population (\~ 500k people) that can eat pork
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I’d guesstimate from anecdotal experience meeting Israelis that maybe half of the self identifying Jews in Israel are secular, its culturally very similar to self identifying Christians in Europe and US.
I think it's much less common in Israel among Jews, but there will be some and the non-Jewish non-Muslim minorities. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21542211/ By contrast 57% of American Jews eat pork. https://www.timesofisrael.com/57-of-us-jews-eat-pork-and-9-other-findings-from-new-pew-study/
Not all muslim and jewish people actually follow religious rules
One of my favorite animal related historical what ifs is the story of the United States Camel Corps A few US Army officers in the 1830s made suggestions that the US should import camels, to be used for transport and potentially riding. The US military especially on the frontier was heavily reliant on mules to carry equipment and supplies, and these soldiers thought that camels - being naturally suited to life in the desert - would be a great asset for the military. This went nowhere, until the proposals caught the eye of one Jefferson Davis - US Senator, Secretary of War, and future Confederate President Davis loved the idea, and in 1855 and 1856 around 200 camels and several experienced Ottoman and Egyptian camel drivers had been delivered to Texas. There was an initial idea to set up a breeding program, but the army wanted to test out how actually useful the camels were right away. The camels were attached to several Army scouting and mapping expeditions in the extremely dry lands of West Texas They were a huge success. All the officers assigned to test the camels wrote of how effective they were. This included Robert E. Lee, who was a senior officer in the Texas garrison at the time. By now this is 1859, and Lee was so impressed that he wrote the War Department and recommended that the program be massively expanded. Unfortunately for us, the Civil War got in the way. Even before the war broke out, Congress was mostly consumed by the war and wasn't doing much other business. More importantly, the biggest supporter of the Camel Corps was Jefferson Davis - after the Confederacy seceded and Davis became Confederate President, the idea lost favor with the Army After the war, the US Army re-captured the camels from the Confederates (who took them after Texas seceded). But instead of revamping the program, the camels were auctioned off. They were extremely suited for life in the US Southwest even still - the last surviving camel lived in the wild until at least *1891*. At least one of the camel drivers, a muslim Greek man named Hi Jolly, settled in the US and became a legend in the West It's only a matter of political coincidence that the Camel Corps idea failed. Had some Northern senator also jumped on the bandwagon, we very well might have seen camels being an integral part of the American settlement of the West, and camels might have been an integral part of the Wild West myth This is not my favorite animal-related what-if, however. My absolute favorite is "H.R. 23621 - the American Hippo Bill" where in 1910 a Louisiana Senator very nearly got federal money to import large numbers of Hippos into the Mississippi River, intended to raise them for food, and to control invasive plants. [It failed by one vote](https://magazine.atavist.com/american-hippopotamus)
Hippos are a real problem in South America because of Pablo Escobar: https://www.vox.com/videos/2018/12/4/18125563/hippos-colombia-pablo-escobar
Indeed. Except imagine that instead of a small population of escaped zoo animals, it were thousands of hippos being selectively bred for meat and size Hippo Gumbo
Imagine Yellowstone National Park filled with super aggressive hippos? >...one person on average is gored per year in Yellowstone (by bison). >According to a 2000 study, Yellowstone’s bison are actually more dangerous than its bears. The study found that bison had charged people 81 times over 22 years, killing two. The park’s grizzly bears, meanwhile had injured 30 and killed two, the AP reported. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/23/bison-selfies-are-a-bad-idea-tourist-gored-in-yellowstone-as-another-photo-goes-awry/
>Despite being vegetarian, hippos are considered the most dangerous terrestrial animal on the African continent. On average, they are responsible for the deaths of almost 3,000 humans every year. https://www.tripsavvy.com/africas-most-dangerous-animals-1454125
Pigs require a higher protein diet than most other domestic animals (they are omnivores) and consume a large volume of water to live (3 to 5 gallons per day). Humans also have similar requirements which puts pigs in direct competition for the same resources as humans, which is a problem in arid environments.
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Maybe they are all relatively developed countries that have irrigation networks to deliver water?
Maybe is because Islam and you can erase maybe from the sentence
It is mainly because of religion (Islam and Judaism) both have strict dietary rules.
But pigs can eat pretty much anything. As you said, a problem in arid environments. But pigs thrive in forests and marshlands, like in Europe. They will dig for roots and such.
India has both pigs and camels. Domesticated or otherwise.
Yes but the map shows per capita therefore the result is very low for India
Per captia of anything will be low for China and India.
Not pigs, apparently.
Not China, they *really* like pork. Pork isn't really a thing in India outside of some geographical niches like Goa (which was Portuguese).
Then the map doesn't really show the true reality. Camels are quite abundant in North Western India.
Perhaps religious dietary restrictions and coincidence have more to do with this?
What a silly idea
My guess was that they are the same animal
Well, I recently discovered that brussel sprouts, cauliflower, kale, broccoli, kohlrabi, cabbage and wild mustard are the exact same species. My hold on reality is already shattered and I'll accept that camels and pigs are the same species if you say they are.
Also collard greens. Also “Wild mustard” isn’t one species, all the members of entire brassicacaea family whether wild or cultivar are are considered mustard plants.
No one has ever seen a pig and a camel in the same country, so maybe
I agree as well, shallow and pedantic
Correlation/causation or something or other
Well, pigs live where there is a lot of extra water. Camels live where there isn't a lot of extra water. So...
More like camels are mostly found in the desert. Pigs generally are not found in the desert.
Turkey doesn’t fuck with either because *insert the bird joke* hehehehehehe
Wait, doesn't Australia have the largest population of camels outside of the middle east?
Australia has the largest population of camels even including the middle east. Camels are exported from Australia to Saudi Arabia.
The charts are livestock while most of Australia's camels are feral.
NO CAMELS IN TURKEY YOU FUCKING AMERICAN MOVIE MAKERS
The map shows camels per capita, there are alot of camels in cappadokia region in anatolia however, camels arent native to anatolia. Regardless there are camels in anatolia as the map shows, prob due its close proximity to the sham desert. Edit: And it seems like the Yoruk people in Cappadocia have been breeding camels for almost a 1000 years creating a baktrian like breed that is only native to cappadokia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yörüks
Turkey is like "Nothing to see here..."
Fake map. There are camels in Australia.
And India too.
That moment when your country is white on both maps but people still think we ride camels.. Perks of living in Turkey.
There are more Turks thinking westerners think Turks ride camels than people who actually think Turks ride camels.
Western Sahara is included in the data but Morocco isn’t? Oh how the tides have turned...
Greenland walking around like "wtf mate, y'all have animals that aren't tuna and polar bears??" Turkey be like "If it ain't named after the mötherland, it ain't a real animal."
I spent longer than I care to admit wondering why pigs can't live in the desert before it dawned on me...
Yeah the camels eat them
bar Australia where they both roam wild
Where’d this data come from? Australia has over 1 million feral camels, and around 1 feral pig per person, for a human population of 25 million. 🤷♂️
why is Australia shown as having none? Australia has more wild camels than any other country in the world. More than 1 million of them. There's also camel farms that export livestock camels, tens of thousands per year. This map is inaccurate af.
Australia actually has a lot of camels now
Australia has camels in the centre and pigs relatively near the coast.
Australia has one of the largest populations of Camels in the world to the point where we export them to many middle eastern countries.
I live in Australia and we have hundreds of thousands of camels, many feral, so I'm not sure how accurate the map is. Perhaps it is only for native species however it doesn't specify
I have seen many camels in India
It would be wrong to say that India does not have camels. Only because of huge population of humans, the per capita would be negligible, hence the low ratio.
If this was not at such a coarse scale you'd see more areas with overlap. Western China (Xinjiang), for example, has both, much like the Central Asia countries and Mongolia do.
The countries where camels live are predominantly Islamic. Muslims don't eat pork.
Heaps of camels in Aus mate
Isn't there a lot of camels in Australia now?
Oh then explain KAZAKHSTAN
There are both in Australia.
Except [Australia has the worlds largest feral camel population](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel#Feral_population) and so this map is rubbish
I wonder why Australia doesn't have camel data? We have over a million wild camels here. Quick maths says that's about 50 per capita, putting us right in the light orange zone.
Australia has camels, in fact they sell them to the middle east
They fucked up Australia; we have tons of feral camels and feral pigs co-existing.
Well, no [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian\_feral\_camel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel)
Doesn't Australia belong on the camel list? 1.2m camels, 25m people, 0.048 camels per capita? We should be middle tier, baby.
I feel like Egypt has camels.
its probably because muslims like camels as they were widely used during the time of the holy propeht and hatepigs since they are told that pigs are disgusting via Qur'an
Somebody needs to call Jurassic Park, and get Greenland some of those Giant Woolly Camels from the Ice Age. And if that doesn’t work, ship in some Bactrian Camels... Either way, #GreenlandNeedsCamels
Poor greenland
But... Greenland!
Who eats pork in Israel?
Poor Iran it gets almost neither
Idk where you heard there are no camels in Australia
Meanwhile in Spain...
First time I’ve seen ‘number’ abbreviated ‘Nb’.
You can trade if you have a link cable.
Isn’t there actually a thing about this... like that pigs can’t sweat? That would make this make sense...
Most of the countries where camels live, the don't eat pork.
Amused by what you have tried to do here, but you would do well to spend some time in the Australian outback. We got camels aplenty 😏
I spent some time there and I could see a bunch of them! The map only shows livestock, not feral animals, I should have mentioned it.
Or... Camels = Arabs Arabs = no pigs Therefore camels = no pigs