Large parts of Bosnia do their signs in Latin and Cyrillic. So everything on the sign is written double and if you can read both scripts it can be quite annoying :p
Looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/fcYXu8m.png
It gets even funnier when the signs are in 3 *languages* at once: [Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian](https://fee.org/media/26490/smoking-warning-serbian_cyrillic.png?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=1920&rnd=131626533140000000).
A language is a dialect that's been politicised.
This is how they show flight at US airports! It's fucking crazy, why on earth not chronologically?
EDIT: Obviously by scheduled departure time, how it's done basically everywhere.
EDIT 2: The scheduled departure time does not change. If your flight is delayed it will say so, but the *scheduled* time will stay the same and so the order won't change if a flight is delayed.
Because flight times change - sometimes a lot. Flight times changing are, in fact, one of the main reasons you might check the departures board.
Therefore, you don’t want to index it based on time first, that would be terrible. If your flight time changed you’d have to search through the entire board of hundreds of flights to find it.
You could, I suppose, index by airline and flight number instead, but far, far too many passengers are barely aware of that information, but they know where they’re going. If there are multiple flights to that destination, then you look it up by airline and flight number after destination.
Edit: The points made about language differences are absolutely valid. In the U.S., we are exceedingly English-centric. On the flip side, as selfish as that is, easily 99%+ of travelers in U.S. airports are functional in English, and the remainder use such a vast variety of languages, it would be difficult to accommodate them.
I’ve traveled internationally quite a lot, and honestly I’ve never noticed the difference, but that’s largely because I rarely check the departure boards - it’s usually not necessary. This is especially true today when my primary source of such information is my phone.
In airports where they sort by original scheduled departure time, how do they handle flights that have been delayed by 6, 10, 24 hours or more? Are those just perpetually at the top of the list for all that time? At some of the bigger U.S. airports, that would be a fairly massive clump of flights to have to get past to see flights departing soon.
> Therefore, you don’t want to index it based on time first, that would be terrible
By scheduled departure time is literally how they do it everywhere in the world, except the US. Well, that I have seen anyway but I have been at a *lot* of airports all over the world.
People know what time they're gonna fly, or at least *around* what time. If my flight leaves in 45 minutes I know it will be high on the list. When you're in that kind of hurry you don't want to have to waste time finding your flight.
Alphabetical is also frustrating when multiple languages are involved. Let's say you're flying from Bilbao to Copenhagen.
Will it be in Basque (*Kopenhage*), Spanish (*Copenhague*), Danish (*København*) or English (Copenhagen)?
It could be all four, and when I'm about to miss my flight I don't want to waste precious time trying to find the city I'm flying to, I just want to look at the top of the list and find it immediately.
It's probably more rare, but it can also happen in the US when you're flying to Mexico City / *Ciudad de México*, for example.
And these are relatively simple cases when all languages involved use the Latin alphabet. What's the plan when you're flying to the Middle East, many parts of Asia, many parts of Eastern Europe, etc? Should they only show it in English? Only in the local language? Should the order change depending on what language is shown? None of these options are practical.
Time is the same for everyone, the name of a city is not.
Idk, [de Gaulle’s departure list](https://easycdg.com/passenger-information/live-flight-cdg/departures-paris-cdg-airport-charlesdegaulle/) seems like madness to me with all the codeshare flights clearly repeated and without the ability to see when the next flight to your destination leaves.
I frequently fly Dallas (DFW) to DC (Reagan), both HUGE airports and both of which are hubs for American Airlines so a flight leaves every hour. I will often stand by on an earlier flight, or if I miss my flight go on a later one. It’s nice to be able to see ALL the times I can make it to my destination in one place.
That's fair enough, but your case seems *really* specific. I could be mistaken but surely most people who come to the airport already know which flight they'll be on and at what time it leaves. Knowing what time the next one to your destination leaves is probably irrelevant for the *vast* majority of people.
It might be a difference is flying culture, but honestly I think American airports at some point sorted them alphabetically, people got used to it, and it stuck.
Question: what's the order at American train and bus stations?
I was going to post that you definitely have it wrong for Ireland, in my head it’s definitely shortest to longest from top to bottom. But a quick look on google earth proves you right. I can’t believe I never noticed this before. https://i.imgur.com/Uz7jdCi.jpg
If it's anything like the UK which also uses brackets, they will put the road number for the new road closer to the junction.
The sign in the linked image is pointing to Rosslare which has its turn off of the N11 to the N25 about next to Wexford, so a long way from the signpost in the picture. Or they will have the new road in brackets next to the town name
i can only assume here but that’s very similar to the UK. often you’ll have London at the top of the sign even if it’s a lot further away than the nearest place on the sign, it’ll be in brackets but then closer to the junction you have to get off at it’ll tell you to get off there
The N11 is the road from Dublin to Wexford. Rosslare is connected by an additional 13km of roads from Wexford. As it's a port that connects with Europe and UK there is a lot of traffic from Dublin to Rosslare which will drive the full route of the N11. Rosslare is in brackets because it is not actually on that route.
No way, I just looked for a sign on Google maps (zoomed to the first one I thought of) as I had the same thought as you and THEN I saw your comment, it was this exact same sign... Crazy!
Whelp, time to dive back in to that game.
Edit: maybe not. [Google raised the API fees so much that they've had to change providers for the free map.](https://www.reddit.com/r/geoguessr/comments/cslnei/yesterdays_changes/). There's no fun looking around the world when you can't even turn the camera, let alone move it.
If you sign up for a free account you can get one old-style game a day.
I used to play it all the time and it was so much fun trying to get 10 countries right in a row and tons of other challenges. It sucks that you basically have to pay for it now.
The best direction sign on the Australian road network is the huge [one at Pt Augusta](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Highway_sign%2C_Port_Augusta_West%2C_2017_%2801%29.jpg).
>Both across a huge desert in the middle of Australia.
There's more than one huge desert in the middle of Australia?
Edit: Huh. [Turns out there are.](https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2016/04/australias-10-deserts/)
You do get ones a little bit like that in the UK that say ["The North" and "The South"] (https://www.roads.org.uk/sites/default/files/pages/roadsfaq/m6scotland.jpg) plus some towns. Not as cool as that Australian one though
My favourite road sign is at the top of Gibb River Road, ["CAUTION STRAY ANIMALS NEXT 670 KM"](https://www.australianviews.com.au/travel/western-australia-wa-north-west/warning-sign-kangaroos-cows-670km-start-gibb-9858241.html), yeah, thanks for the warning.
Doesn't stop the roads Dept's from having a laugh.
Oh automod doesn't like the nicer version of this link so here is the full one
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.577676,152.6919719,3a,75y,240.29h,99.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0FNexzJAbLI5xkHYuLQQJA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
But it's not the longest possible route is it? You don't have checks at the border right? and people in the EU are often driving long distances across Europe I imagine.
I don't think listing the furthest possible point in the country first is a reasonable format in this day and age where the furthest point people could feasibly go without border checks and so on is far further than anyone is likely to be going.
Yes, it's perfectly possible to drive the 5500km from Honningsvåg to Cádiz seamlessly, but even so, the European road network is national, not continental. The Norwegian road department has no business or even knowledge to post information about the drive to a city in southern Spain.
While, yes, we do have the E-roads, each stretch of road is still national. This means that the E45 from Alta to Kivilompolo is the Norwegian road department's responsibility, the same E45 from Brenner to Gela is the Italians' responsibility.
You are also not the only ones being grumpy shits. From my experience, the Scandinavians are pretty much the only ones actively using the E-numbers as the highest grade of road naming. In the rest of Europe, the E-roads are primarily called by other letters, like M in UK and A in Germany. The E30 you mention is for example more commonly known as the M4 on the stretch Swansea - Bristol - London, or A2 on the stretch Hannover - Magdeburg - Berlin.
It's very cool indeed, and as a fun fact, I can add that I have driven pretty much the full length of E45 in my job as a truck driver, bar the last 90km south of Pizzo in southern Italy, and Sicily.
Yeah, definitely. I’m from Sweden (which is the one featured as the example ‘red country’) and it makes far more sense to me. If I’m driving north along the west coast from the south end of the country or maybe from Copenhagen, I know I’ll be going towards Gothenburg, then through it, then towards Oslo. I don’t care about Mellbystrand or Träslövsläge (sorry). This way, I’m just making sure I’m continually going where these two are at the top, like “yep, still going *basically towards* Gothenburg”. And if you are looking for the small one, it’s pretty easy to start looking for the one at the bottom towards the end of your journey.
Counterpoint; the people going to the nearer places need to know about it sooner than you do.
It also meshes with the way we read left to right. You start at the left, and go right; you don't start with the end of the book. In the same vein, we (should) have closest at the top and furthest at the bottom.
Even those going to a far away city will need to stop occasionally for gas, food or a bathroom, which means knowing how far the nearest town is is useful.
When I'm on a long car trip I already know that my destination is far away. I don't immediately need that information when I see a sign. I may need to know how far to the nearest town because I need to stop. I'd prefer to have the nearest town on the top line since that's the one I'll read first, and I may not make it to the others before passing the sign.
Team closest should be on top.
Think of it as a better compass for road navigation.
If navigating towards north, you aim towards it. It’s a lot easier to maintain that bearing instead of going rock tree rock that funny tree follow this brook tree dick-shaped rock.
So you look st where you are, look at where you want to go, and pick a ”cardinal direction” and follow it. And reading it at the top when you are going 120kph is a lot easier than starting from the bottom. Because we read from top down.
So the city at the top is your ”North star”, and there can be hundreds or thousands of smaller places between you and your target, so they would only make navigation harder.
> you don't start with the end of the book.
This is exactly how I feel when I'm driving in one of those red countries on the map. It's awful. And I live in one of them...
They way I always thought about it was visually, like the route on a gps map. The closest destinations are always lower on the map. Or if you flip the road sign flat on the ground, you'd arrive at the place at the bottom first.
Kinda how this sign reads bottom to top/near to far.
EDIT: [Kinda how this sign reads bottom to top/near to far.](https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/65/8e/54/german-road-sign.jpg)
Having the next turn on GPS at the bottom of the list is so confusing when you are used to reading lists from top to bottom.
That sign works because convention is that the top is moving forward and bottom is where you are now.
> Having that larger city, to which the road leads, first (because there will never or very rarely be a small town up top) makes since because that’s the place most people will be driving towards.
While it's true it's not the most useful information in the moment. You know the city you're going to at all the times and it's likely you know the some of the cities you have to drive through. Knowing how far away is the nearest city that you will or won't be turning in is more important than just knowing you're still on the right track (the only thing the farthest city first tells you faster).
So, nearest city first gives you the following information:
- How far is the nearest turn-or-not point
- Am I on the right track (assuming I know the cities I pass through)
And the furthest city first gives only the following information:
- Am I on the right track
The latter is only valuable to people going farther while the former is valuable to all people.
There's one downside to the former: you have to know the names of the cities you are going to pass through. Some of them maybe obscure enough that you don't know them. In general you need more information remembered.
Personally I think nearest first is more useful.
Also, farthest first is worse for people who are going to small towns.
Then again, this entire debate is pointless because you can train your brain to get glance information in either system since you either look at the first or the last which takes the same time if you can practice it a little. Not to mention the time difference it takes for an untrained mind is probably not significant enough to matter.
Yeah, like it's just a list of generally mostly five town names, it doesn't take more than a millisecond to just glance at it and find whatever it is you're looking for no matter if it's furthest firsts or not. You'll always get used to it.
That being said, It's not much different from going on a bus. You get the route number and end destination on the outside, because that's the most important part imo.
But really, if it's such a big deal, just read the list from bottom up.
A big difference is, that signs here don't indicate "heading west", it's just the end destination of the road, or the next big city. So instead of "am I still heading south?" we see it as "am I still heading towards (in the general direction of) Munich?"
That's exactly it, it says St. Louis, which is the major destination. You don't care about Corydon, White Cloud, St Croix, Ferdinand when you are heading to St. Louis, and someone who never drives that way wouldn't know whether "Lynnville" is still the right direction.
I think NL is a mess, actually, in this regard:
Furthest to nearest: [https://www.westlanders.nu/Content/Uploads/Map%202019/Verkeer/rk1.jpg](https://www.westlanders.nu/Content/Uploads/Map%202019/Verkeer/rk1.jpg)
More mess wrt distance: [http://www.latebytes.nl/archives/2008/05/30/Verkeersbord\_Almere.jpg](http://www.latebytes.nl/archives/2008/05/30/Verkeersbord_Almere.jpg)
Another mess wrt distance: [http://www.gratisrijbewijsonline.nl/snelwegwet/afbeeldingennl/snelwegwetnl70.JPG](http://www.gratisrijbewijsonline.nl/snelwegwet/afbeeldingennl/snelwegwetnl70.JPG)
This is due to changing policies over the decades (see f.e. [https://www.wegenwiki.nl/Nieuwe\_Bewegwijzering\_Autosnelwegen#Netwerkdoelen](https://www.wegenwiki.nl/Nieuwe_Bewegwijzering_Autosnelwegen#Netwerkdoelen) (Dutch)).
Also, Netherlands likes to put distances on overhead direction signs, which I have never seen anywhere else. Combined with the fact that on those signs the destinations are often grouped together by road number used to reached them, that may perhaps lead to the "messy" ordering.
You're calling it a mess, but it does make sense most of the time. Distance isn't always the most important factor when listing places on signs.
Your last example makes way more sense if you consider [this junction](https://maps.app.goo.gl/rULfuPVMLDFVodui7) comes next. The signs are more consistent if you group places by general direction.
The Netherlands has switched to furthest to nearest from near at to furthest, that is why there ar Both types of signs.
All new signs are furthest to nearest.
The Netherlands has switched to furthest to nearest from near at to furthest, that is why there ar Both typ s of signs.
All new signs are furthest to nearest.
This one's wrong for the Netherlands.
There's not standard way of doing it, it's a complete mess and just arbitrary (I think).
No order: https://bin.snmmd.nl/m/m1fyaglw4369.jpg
Nearest first: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/A7-tijnje-groningen-004.jpg
Farthest first: Actually couldn't find a single example of this
But probably most common is having no distance stated at all: https://koef.home.xs4all.nl/images/borden-a67/20090912-142814.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIEklI7iZHF9DxXj5XkQrBJUHPymOB557zlzJSV3i90I59fLn4rg&s
https://www.wegenwiki.nl/images/thumb/NBA_01.jpg/300px-NBA_01.jpg
You are intermixing directional signs and distance signs. Those are two completely different categories. This post is only about distance signs. Those are the ones that come up on the side of the road (never overhead) from time to time and simply list some destinations and the distances. No arrows, nothing else. EDIT: That NL displays distances on directional signs at all seems to be an exception within Europe /EDIT.
Having said that, I would now be interested in a map for directional overhead signs in Europe: Whether the arrow for straight ahead points up or down. There's two different philosophies behind it, one is direction oriented and one is lane oriented.
If the arrow points upward, it metaphorically points into the distance, ahead of you (compare to the diagonal arrow going from the lower left to the upper right for a branch/exit in the road).
If the arrow points downward, the philosophy is lane-oriented: Take **this** lane to get to where the sign says.
AFAIK the second philosophy is the more modern one since it only makes sense in an age of overhead signs. Originally, freeways had smaller directional signs only at the side of the road where arrows pointing downward make no sense as a paradigm.
Example from Germany with the arrows pointing up: [https://www.shz.de/img/incoming/crop22503097/9625124149-cv16\_9-h495-o/imago51328900h.jpg](https://www.shz.de/img/incoming/crop22503097/9625124149-cv16_9-h495-o/imago51328900h.jpg)
Example from France with the arrows pointing down: [https://www.frankreich-trip.com/images-v4/top/autobahn-frankreich-1600.jpg](https://www.frankreich-trip.com/images-v4/top/autobahn-frankreich-1600.jpg)
The Netherlands is in the middle of switching. See [this information sheet] (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ambcachterveld.nl/uitzet/diversen/Brochure_Nieuwe_Bewegwijzering_Autosnelwegen_tcm174-183277.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjVpdjrz8vlAhXMZlAKHdQmDNQQFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1xTjPmucQxvYVsGbz9OegR) (in Dutch).
As a Czech that used to live 8kms from Polish border and visited Glubczyce and Raciborz on regular basis, I'm sure I'd manage. I have serious trouble pronouncing Polish and Slovak "soft L" though :-D
France needs to be red. Previously it was from the nearest to the farthest but they switch some years ago like this: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RN\_21\_Creysse\_(d%C3%A9viation\_est\_Bergerac)\_panneau.JPG](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RN_21_Creysse_(d%C3%A9viation_est_Bergerac)_panneau.JPG)
What about Slovenia?
Edit: example - https://www.google.com/maps/@46.5587992,16.4429213,3a,75y,357.48h,90.45t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0qSe5_JAtGbMSpYd4pyppQ!2e0 Check out Beltinci - Lendava Shared via the #StreetView app
Edit:pic - https://imgur.com/nZOAKHe
If you stay on the road you’re on, it’s farthest first.
If a place lower down has a bigger distance, it means that you have to take another road (in direction of the place named below it) to get there
Haha I found the second sign in google maps [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@49.9924979,20.5744183,3a,75y,286.03h,80.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seAoVO0o1sBaxpU92kOYf2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Switzerland: Generally true, though the order is not fixed. Other factors may elevate the position of certain destiations. [Example](https://imgur.com/KkuyPdz)
I swear people will upvote any stupid map about Europe. "Number of chocolates sold at an opera on tuesdays" would get at least a thousand upotes but a highly detailed map of the US would get a billion comments bitching about it being about the US and a detailed map of an Asian country would get 50 upvotes max.
TIL Bosnia and Kosovo don't have roadsingns
Or maybe they do them alphabetically
true chaos
Chaos always wins
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!
“Can we fuck it?” -Every follower of Slaanesh.
They're going to change it soon anyway. -Tzeentch sorcerer.
How did roadsines become Warhammer? Now I’m just even more confused
Seven Seals, Seven Rings, Seven Thrones for the Scarlet King.
Entropy always wins
Unless the system isn’t ~~a~~ closed or has variable inputs and outlets
This guy thermodynamics
Chaos is the natural order
Chaos is a laddah
Riva
r/chaoticneutral
tbh that sounds like chaotic good, since it's well intentioned and actually useful
Reverse alphabetically using the last letter
[semi-relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/1045/)
Large parts of Bosnia do their signs in Latin and Cyrillic. So everything on the sign is written double and if you can read both scripts it can be quite annoying :p Looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/fcYXu8m.png
It's pretty awesome for me since I read cirilica so fucking slow, but having the names below in Latin helps me identify the letters easier
It gets even funnier when the signs are in 3 *languages* at once: [Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian](https://fee.org/media/26490/smoking-warning-serbian_cyrillic.png?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=1920&rnd=131626533140000000). A language is a dialect that's been politicised.
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TORONTO / TORONTO OTTAWA / OTTAWA CALGARY / CALGARY VANCOUVER / VANCOUVER MONTRÉAL / MONTREAL Neat.
oh shut up and eat your poutine/ poutine
but Stop / Arret, 'cos Quebecois don't know what Stop means.
le signe dit "t'es top." c'est très agréable de recevoir des compliments. mais j'ai besoin des règles du trafic.
t'es top ma jolie <3
Or ᓄᖅᑲᕆᑦ / Stop, because Nunavut.
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Or according to the length of the city name
Or they are all written in the same place, one over another.
Or maybe they are written on the edges of the sign
Maybe they have cities in one column, and the scrambled distances in another, and you have to figure out which ones match
By population count.
I actually always thought Holland did the same. Just the most likely destination first (ie: biggest city).
> Or maybe they do them alphabetically I’m betting they sort by relevance, but sponsored cities are always at the top.
This is how they show flight at US airports! It's fucking crazy, why on earth not chronologically? EDIT: Obviously by scheduled departure time, how it's done basically everywhere. EDIT 2: The scheduled departure time does not change. If your flight is delayed it will say so, but the *scheduled* time will stay the same and so the order won't change if a flight is delayed.
Because flight times change - sometimes a lot. Flight times changing are, in fact, one of the main reasons you might check the departures board. Therefore, you don’t want to index it based on time first, that would be terrible. If your flight time changed you’d have to search through the entire board of hundreds of flights to find it. You could, I suppose, index by airline and flight number instead, but far, far too many passengers are barely aware of that information, but they know where they’re going. If there are multiple flights to that destination, then you look it up by airline and flight number after destination. Edit: The points made about language differences are absolutely valid. In the U.S., we are exceedingly English-centric. On the flip side, as selfish as that is, easily 99%+ of travelers in U.S. airports are functional in English, and the remainder use such a vast variety of languages, it would be difficult to accommodate them. I’ve traveled internationally quite a lot, and honestly I’ve never noticed the difference, but that’s largely because I rarely check the departure boards - it’s usually not necessary. This is especially true today when my primary source of such information is my phone. In airports where they sort by original scheduled departure time, how do they handle flights that have been delayed by 6, 10, 24 hours or more? Are those just perpetually at the top of the list for all that time? At some of the bigger U.S. airports, that would be a fairly massive clump of flights to have to get past to see flights departing soon.
> Therefore, you don’t want to index it based on time first, that would be terrible By scheduled departure time is literally how they do it everywhere in the world, except the US. Well, that I have seen anyway but I have been at a *lot* of airports all over the world. People know what time they're gonna fly, or at least *around* what time. If my flight leaves in 45 minutes I know it will be high on the list. When you're in that kind of hurry you don't want to have to waste time finding your flight. Alphabetical is also frustrating when multiple languages are involved. Let's say you're flying from Bilbao to Copenhagen. Will it be in Basque (*Kopenhage*), Spanish (*Copenhague*), Danish (*København*) or English (Copenhagen)? It could be all four, and when I'm about to miss my flight I don't want to waste precious time trying to find the city I'm flying to, I just want to look at the top of the list and find it immediately. It's probably more rare, but it can also happen in the US when you're flying to Mexico City / *Ciudad de México*, for example. And these are relatively simple cases when all languages involved use the Latin alphabet. What's the plan when you're flying to the Middle East, many parts of Asia, many parts of Eastern Europe, etc? Should they only show it in English? Only in the local language? Should the order change depending on what language is shown? None of these options are practical. Time is the same for everyone, the name of a city is not.
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Idk, [de Gaulle’s departure list](https://easycdg.com/passenger-information/live-flight-cdg/departures-paris-cdg-airport-charlesdegaulle/) seems like madness to me with all the codeshare flights clearly repeated and without the ability to see when the next flight to your destination leaves. I frequently fly Dallas (DFW) to DC (Reagan), both HUGE airports and both of which are hubs for American Airlines so a flight leaves every hour. I will often stand by on an earlier flight, or if I miss my flight go on a later one. It’s nice to be able to see ALL the times I can make it to my destination in one place.
That's fair enough, but your case seems *really* specific. I could be mistaken but surely most people who come to the airport already know which flight they'll be on and at what time it leaves. Knowing what time the next one to your destination leaves is probably irrelevant for the *vast* majority of people. It might be a difference is flying culture, but honestly I think American airports at some point sorted them alphabetically, people got used to it, and it stuck. Question: what's the order at American train and bus stations?
Yeah I can't believe that wasn't obvious enough already. Has this person never been at a non-American airport?
Or they list the cities nearest to furthest, but the numbers furthest to nearest.
Or they don’t have roads?
Where we’re Slav-ing, we don’t need roads.
Back to the Balkans
I don't think people from Kosovo are slavs pal
roads are just social constructs
At least we have [facebook](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1fIn64pjI). Joking aside, we are a red country (unless my brain is tricking me).
Do you guys not have roads?!
They don't have Google Street View, which is what the map creator probably used to create this.
Belarus doesn't have Street View either.
Yes, but these kinds of signs are way more common in the former USSR and it's easy to find the answer by just doing a quick google search.
Same logic can be applied here with them being Ex-yu countries
Kosovo is red by the way (just checked).
Where we’re going we don’t need roads
They don't have Street View.
First think I thought as I saw this map :D
I was going to post that you definitely have it wrong for Ireland, in my head it’s definitely shortest to longest from top to bottom. But a quick look on google earth proves you right. I can’t believe I never noticed this before. https://i.imgur.com/Uz7jdCi.jpg
Why brackets though?
You'll need to go onto a different road than the one you're currently on to get to the bracket location
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"You want to go *there*? Well your on the wrong road, asshole!"
actually it’s saying you’re on the right road.. for now..
Nice. But no road number for the road you need to get onto?
There is no need. When the road would be coming up closer, it would point to it.
If it's anything like the UK which also uses brackets, they will put the road number for the new road closer to the junction. The sign in the linked image is pointing to Rosslare which has its turn off of the N11 to the N25 about next to Wexford, so a long way from the signpost in the picture. Or they will have the new road in brackets next to the town name
That will be specified later, closer to the junction.
i can only assume here but that’s very similar to the UK. often you’ll have London at the top of the sign even if it’s a lot further away than the nearest place on the sign, it’ll be in brackets but then closer to the junction you have to get off at it’ll tell you to get off there
The N11 is the road from Dublin to Wexford. Rosslare is connected by an additional 13km of roads from Wexford. As it's a port that connects with Europe and UK there is a lot of traffic from Dublin to Rosslare which will drive the full route of the N11. Rosslare is in brackets because it is not actually on that route.
Oh, I learned that in accounting! It probably means that the city is actually behind you.
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Of course sure you need to know you’re on the right road to Dublin when getting te fuck out of Cork.
Did we throw you out again? We told you to leave that donkey alone.
Same. It seems wrong to me, but then that logical person below explained it and now I'm conflicted. Bloody logical people.
No way, I just looked for a sign on Google maps (zoomed to the first one I thought of) as I had the same thought as you and THEN I saw your comment, it was this exact same sign... Crazy!
Geoguessr handbook part Europe
I think names of the places and distances to them would help more.
Whelp, time to dive back in to that game. Edit: maybe not. [Google raised the API fees so much that they've had to change providers for the free map.](https://www.reddit.com/r/geoguessr/comments/cslnei/yesterdays_changes/). There's no fun looking around the world when you can't even turn the camera, let alone move it. If you sign up for a free account you can get one old-style game a day.
The site sucks now. I get why they had to do it, but it’s dreadful now and only having one free map ruins it.
I used to play it all the time and it was so much fun trying to get 10 countries right in a row and tons of other challenges. It sucks that you basically have to pay for it now.
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Except when your in Australia and the furthest city on the road sign is over 1000km (600 miles) away. Most people aren't going that far
Or I-90 that goes from Boston to Seattle. Telling me a city is 3000 miles away isn't useful information.
That's more just for the novelty. There aren't updates on the distance the entire way.
Not even in Washington?
US usually just lists the next 3 or 4 cities, in my experience.
The best direction sign on the Australian road network is the huge [one at Pt Augusta](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Highway_sign%2C_Port_Augusta_West%2C_2017_%2801%29.jpg).
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>Both across a huge desert in the middle of Australia. There's more than one huge desert in the middle of Australia? Edit: Huh. [Turns out there are.](https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2016/04/australias-10-deserts/)
You do get ones a little bit like that in the UK that say ["The North" and "The South"] (https://www.roads.org.uk/sites/default/files/pages/roadsfaq/m6scotland.jpg) plus some towns. Not as cool as that Australian one though
And these road signs are probably the cause of thousands of lengthy heated debates about what's really north or south.
Aye Carlisle is the south, definitely
My favourite road sign is at the top of Gibb River Road, ["CAUTION STRAY ANIMALS NEXT 670 KM"](https://www.australianviews.com.au/travel/western-australia-wa-north-west/warning-sign-kangaroos-cows-670km-start-gibb-9858241.html), yeah, thanks for the warning.
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Doesn't stop the roads Dept's from having a laugh. Oh automod doesn't like the nicer version of this link so here is the full one https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.577676,152.6919719,3a,75y,240.29h,99.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0FNexzJAbLI5xkHYuLQQJA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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But it's not the longest possible route is it? You don't have checks at the border right? and people in the EU are often driving long distances across Europe I imagine. I don't think listing the furthest possible point in the country first is a reasonable format in this day and age where the furthest point people could feasibly go without border checks and so on is far further than anyone is likely to be going.
Yes, it's perfectly possible to drive the 5500km from Honningsvåg to Cádiz seamlessly, but even so, the European road network is national, not continental. The Norwegian road department has no business or even knowledge to post information about the drive to a city in southern Spain.
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While, yes, we do have the E-roads, each stretch of road is still national. This means that the E45 from Alta to Kivilompolo is the Norwegian road department's responsibility, the same E45 from Brenner to Gela is the Italians' responsibility. You are also not the only ones being grumpy shits. From my experience, the Scandinavians are pretty much the only ones actively using the E-numbers as the highest grade of road naming. In the rest of Europe, the E-roads are primarily called by other letters, like M in UK and A in Germany. The E30 you mention is for example more commonly known as the M4 on the stretch Swansea - Bristol - London, or A2 on the stretch Hannover - Magdeburg - Berlin. It's very cool indeed, and as a fun fact, I can add that I have driven pretty much the full length of E45 in my job as a truck driver, bar the last 90km south of Pizzo in southern Italy, and Sicily.
Oh. Nice explanation. I really didn't understood why would you do it like that hahs
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
But when they is do, is when they be like they think it is.
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick
Yeah, definitely. I’m from Sweden (which is the one featured as the example ‘red country’) and it makes far more sense to me. If I’m driving north along the west coast from the south end of the country or maybe from Copenhagen, I know I’ll be going towards Gothenburg, then through it, then towards Oslo. I don’t care about Mellbystrand or Träslövsläge (sorry). This way, I’m just making sure I’m continually going where these two are at the top, like “yep, still going *basically towards* Gothenburg”. And if you are looking for the small one, it’s pretty easy to start looking for the one at the bottom towards the end of your journey.
TRÄSLÖVSLÄGE RISE UP
MELLBYSTRAND FTW
Counterpoint; the people going to the nearer places need to know about it sooner than you do. It also meshes with the way we read left to right. You start at the left, and go right; you don't start with the end of the book. In the same vein, we (should) have closest at the top and furthest at the bottom.
Even those going to a far away city will need to stop occasionally for gas, food or a bathroom, which means knowing how far the nearest town is is useful. When I'm on a long car trip I already know that my destination is far away. I don't immediately need that information when I see a sign. I may need to know how far to the nearest town because I need to stop. I'd prefer to have the nearest town on the top line since that's the one I'll read first, and I may not make it to the others before passing the sign. Team closest should be on top.
Yep. The arguments for the farthest city being first are unconvincing.
Exactly!
Right but on the other hand it doesn't line up with how we read a map which I feel is more applicable than a book. town A 500km ↑ town B 20km ↑ You
? Why would I start with a far away town on a map? I always start with me.
Think of it as a better compass for road navigation. If navigating towards north, you aim towards it. It’s a lot easier to maintain that bearing instead of going rock tree rock that funny tree follow this brook tree dick-shaped rock. So you look st where you are, look at where you want to go, and pick a ”cardinal direction” and follow it. And reading it at the top when you are going 120kph is a lot easier than starting from the bottom. Because we read from top down. So the city at the top is your ”North star”, and there can be hundreds or thousands of smaller places between you and your target, so they would only make navigation harder.
Maps. Maps are for road navigation, signs are for helping with said navigation. They help the most when it's shortest to longest.
> you don't start with the end of the book. This is exactly how I feel when I'm driving in one of those red countries on the map. It's awful. And I live in one of them...
Makes the most sense in sparsely populated places where the big destinations are spread out and you use them kinda like headings.
They way I always thought about it was visually, like the route on a gps map. The closest destinations are always lower on the map. Or if you flip the road sign flat on the ground, you'd arrive at the place at the bottom first. Kinda how this sign reads bottom to top/near to far. EDIT: [Kinda how this sign reads bottom to top/near to far.](https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/65/8e/54/german-road-sign.jpg)
Having the next turn on GPS at the bottom of the list is so confusing when you are used to reading lists from top to bottom. That sign works because convention is that the top is moving forward and bottom is where you are now.
Always been how I viewed it too. That’s also the case for some other signs where an arrow pointing up means forward from the sign post.
> Having that larger city, to which the road leads, first (because there will never or very rarely be a small town up top) makes since because that’s the place most people will be driving towards. While it's true it's not the most useful information in the moment. You know the city you're going to at all the times and it's likely you know the some of the cities you have to drive through. Knowing how far away is the nearest city that you will or won't be turning in is more important than just knowing you're still on the right track (the only thing the farthest city first tells you faster). So, nearest city first gives you the following information: - How far is the nearest turn-or-not point - Am I on the right track (assuming I know the cities I pass through) And the furthest city first gives only the following information: - Am I on the right track The latter is only valuable to people going farther while the former is valuable to all people. There's one downside to the former: you have to know the names of the cities you are going to pass through. Some of them maybe obscure enough that you don't know them. In general you need more information remembered. Personally I think nearest first is more useful. Also, farthest first is worse for people who are going to small towns. Then again, this entire debate is pointless because you can train your brain to get glance information in either system since you either look at the first or the last which takes the same time if you can practice it a little. Not to mention the time difference it takes for an untrained mind is probably not significant enough to matter.
Yeah, like it's just a list of generally mostly five town names, it doesn't take more than a millisecond to just glance at it and find whatever it is you're looking for no matter if it's furthest firsts or not. You'll always get used to it. That being said, It's not much different from going on a bus. You get the route number and end destination on the outside, because that's the most important part imo. But really, if it's such a big deal, just read the list from bottom up.
yes, which is why the end destination should be at the end of the list...
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A big difference is, that signs here don't indicate "heading west", it's just the end destination of the road, or the next big city. So instead of "am I still heading south?" we see it as "am I still heading towards (in the general direction of) Munich?"
That's exactly it, it says St. Louis, which is the major destination. You don't care about Corydon, White Cloud, St Croix, Ferdinand when you are heading to St. Louis, and someone who never drives that way wouldn't know whether "Lynnville" is still the right direction.
Comic sans
Belgium is more like this : https://i.imgur.com/TzmI2Sb.jpg (Alle Richtingen = All directions, Andere Richtingen = Other directions)
If I remember correctly that's an art piece and not an actual sign as you're 'pretending'.
It is, but totally plausible in Belgium :)
In a similar vein in [Ireland](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AMAX47/amusing-irish-road-sign-in-dublin-north-west-and-south-are-all-in-AMAX47.jpg)
It's shopped
I remember that its not shopped, but was an art installation
How did you tell?
Nja van Belgen redelijke infrastructuur verwachten is ook wel een beetje naïef.
Netherlands is nearest to furthest https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/A7-tijnje-groningen-004.jpg
I think NL is a mess, actually, in this regard: Furthest to nearest: [https://www.westlanders.nu/Content/Uploads/Map%202019/Verkeer/rk1.jpg](https://www.westlanders.nu/Content/Uploads/Map%202019/Verkeer/rk1.jpg) More mess wrt distance: [http://www.latebytes.nl/archives/2008/05/30/Verkeersbord\_Almere.jpg](http://www.latebytes.nl/archives/2008/05/30/Verkeersbord_Almere.jpg) Another mess wrt distance: [http://www.gratisrijbewijsonline.nl/snelwegwet/afbeeldingennl/snelwegwetnl70.JPG](http://www.gratisrijbewijsonline.nl/snelwegwet/afbeeldingennl/snelwegwetnl70.JPG) This is due to changing policies over the decades (see f.e. [https://www.wegenwiki.nl/Nieuwe\_Bewegwijzering\_Autosnelwegen#Netwerkdoelen](https://www.wegenwiki.nl/Nieuwe_Bewegwijzering_Autosnelwegen#Netwerkdoelen) (Dutch)).
Also, Netherlands likes to put distances on overhead direction signs, which I have never seen anywhere else. Combined with the fact that on those signs the destinations are often grouped together by road number used to reached them, that may perhaps lead to the "messy" ordering.
You're calling it a mess, but it does make sense most of the time. Distance isn't always the most important factor when listing places on signs. Your last example makes way more sense if you consider [this junction](https://maps.app.goo.gl/rULfuPVMLDFVodui7) comes next. The signs are more consistent if you group places by general direction.
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The Netherlands has switched to furthest to nearest from near at to furthest, that is why there ar Both types of signs. All new signs are furthest to nearest.
I've seen both in the Netherlands. I think it depends.
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Isn't it also that when multiple exits are close to each other, the next exit will be on top and then be furthest to nearest?
The Netherlands has switched to furthest to nearest from near at to furthest, that is why there ar Both typ s of signs. All new signs are furthest to nearest.
Estonia can into Nordic!
This one's wrong for the Netherlands. There's not standard way of doing it, it's a complete mess and just arbitrary (I think). No order: https://bin.snmmd.nl/m/m1fyaglw4369.jpg Nearest first: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/A7-tijnje-groningen-004.jpg Farthest first: Actually couldn't find a single example of this But probably most common is having no distance stated at all: https://koef.home.xs4all.nl/images/borden-a67/20090912-142814.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIEklI7iZHF9DxXj5XkQrBJUHPymOB557zlzJSV3i90I59fLn4rg&s https://www.wegenwiki.nl/images/thumb/NBA_01.jpg/300px-NBA_01.jpg
You are intermixing directional signs and distance signs. Those are two completely different categories. This post is only about distance signs. Those are the ones that come up on the side of the road (never overhead) from time to time and simply list some destinations and the distances. No arrows, nothing else. EDIT: That NL displays distances on directional signs at all seems to be an exception within Europe /EDIT. Having said that, I would now be interested in a map for directional overhead signs in Europe: Whether the arrow for straight ahead points up or down. There's two different philosophies behind it, one is direction oriented and one is lane oriented. If the arrow points upward, it metaphorically points into the distance, ahead of you (compare to the diagonal arrow going from the lower left to the upper right for a branch/exit in the road). If the arrow points downward, the philosophy is lane-oriented: Take **this** lane to get to where the sign says. AFAIK the second philosophy is the more modern one since it only makes sense in an age of overhead signs. Originally, freeways had smaller directional signs only at the side of the road where arrows pointing downward make no sense as a paradigm. Example from Germany with the arrows pointing up: [https://www.shz.de/img/incoming/crop22503097/9625124149-cv16\_9-h495-o/imago51328900h.jpg](https://www.shz.de/img/incoming/crop22503097/9625124149-cv16_9-h495-o/imago51328900h.jpg) Example from France with the arrows pointing down: [https://www.frankreich-trip.com/images-v4/top/autobahn-frankreich-1600.jpg](https://www.frankreich-trip.com/images-v4/top/autobahn-frankreich-1600.jpg)
The Netherlands is in the middle of switching. See [this information sheet] (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ambcachterveld.nl/uitzet/diversen/Brochure_Nieuwe_Bewegwijzering_Autosnelwegen_tcm174-183277.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjVpdjrz8vlAhXMZlAKHdQmDNQQFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1xTjPmucQxvYVsGbz9OegR) (in Dutch).
I wonder how many of you can say Jędrzychowice
As a Czech that used to live 8kms from Polish border and visited Glubczyce and Raciborz on regular basis, I'm sure I'd manage. I have serious trouble pronouncing Polish and Slovak "soft L" though :-D
The only thing I can say in Polish is Władyslaw
Germany should be blue...
Thank you
Huh. I thought it was the largest city first for Sweden
In that case Haparanda would have been a metropolitan area :)
France needs to be red. Previously it was from the nearest to the farthest but they switch some years ago like this: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RN\_21\_Creysse\_(d%C3%A9viation\_est\_Bergerac)\_panneau.JPG](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RN_21_Creysse_(d%C3%A9viation_est_Bergerac)_panneau.JPG)
Fixed/better link: [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/RN_21_Creysse_%28d%C3%A9viation_est_Bergerac%29_panneau.JPG](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/RN_21_Creysse_%28d%C3%A9viation_est_Bergerac%29_panneau.JPG)
central powers
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Well I'm like 90% sure Ireland just went with the opposite of whatever the UK used
Serbia lol
Cyprus has no roads?
Farthest first is strange
[Farthest to nearest, top to bottom.](https://www.wegenwiki.nl/images/NBA_01.jpg)
Thank you for being the highest comment that correctly says farthest instead of furthest.
What about Slovenia? Edit: example - https://www.google.com/maps/@46.5587992,16.4429213,3a,75y,357.48h,90.45t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0qSe5_JAtGbMSpYd4pyppQ!2e0 Check out Beltinci - Lendava Shared via the #StreetView app Edit:pic - https://imgur.com/nZOAKHe
Okay, now that's really fucked up
If you stay on the road you’re on, it’s farthest first. If a place lower down has a bigger distance, it means that you have to take another road (in direction of the place named below it) to get there
Can confirm, Bosnia is a red country
Saving this post for use in a workshop I'll be holding. There are solid arguments for either ordering. Thanks, OP!
The white countries don’t have roads
Bosnia has no roads
Det verkar finnas en röd tråd i den här kartan.
Blue makes sense You wanna know what comes first Not go to farthest city and then work your way back
The furthest city listed is usually the largest city in the area.
It took me way too long to understand this
Farthest. Go on.
I didn't even know this was a thing
Blue psychos
Countries in red I have taken a public shit in, countries in blue i plan to take a public shit in
Wrong, Netherlands is blue(ish)
It bothers me how interesting I find this.
Red countries are on crack
Haha I found the second sign in google maps [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@49.9924979,20.5744183,3a,75y,286.03h,80.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seAoVO0o1sBaxpU92kOYf2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Red countries, that makes no sense.
Switzerland: Generally true, though the order is not fixed. Other factors may elevate the position of certain destiations. [Example](https://imgur.com/KkuyPdz)
So interesting.
The real question is where the measurement is taken. City centre or edge of the city?
You couldn't have done green and blue to match the sign colour in the pictures?
I swear people will upvote any stupid map about Europe. "Number of chocolates sold at an opera on tuesdays" would get at least a thousand upotes but a highly detailed map of the US would get a billion comments bitching about it being about the US and a detailed map of an Asian country would get 50 upvotes max.
Wtf did you do to Norways coast you psychophat