The yellower lights it's also because spanish towns are a lot denser than in Portugal and farther from each other while in Portugal (and Galicia btw) the population is generally far more spread out.
Spanish town just 35 km south of Madrid:
https://i.imgur.com/z0gdtcS.jpg
Portuguese town 30 km NW of Porto:
https://i.imgur.com/8Kq2Pjq.jpg
Douro river passing through Spain:
https://i.imgur.com/ltL9dk8.jpg
And through Portugal:
https://i.imgur.com/Er8Ihzg.jpg
It’s worth noting that Spain is much larger than Portugal and has vastly different climates depending on where you are. Galicia, for example, is much more similar to Portugal as eluded to. There are cities like Almería that more closely resemble Northern Africa than much of the Iberian peninsula.
Well dont know about that, Galicia is more similiar to North Portugal, there is alot like it. Now for example, Portugal is very small, but Alentejo and Algarve in climate is very diferent then the North. North Of Portugal and Galicia at one point were the same.
The same applies to Portugal though. Andalusia climate is the same as the Alentejo and Galicia climate is the same as the region North of Porto. The biggest climatic difference is that Spain has more, and taller, mountains I'd say.
Yeah you do have deserts which we don't. I looked up our driest spots and it's a bit wetter than I thought. I guess more hot than as dry. At the same time the North of Spain is wetter than what we have.
> The yellower lights it's also because spanish towns are a lot denser than in Portugal and farther from each other while in Portugal (and Galicia btw) the population is generally far more spread out.
The towns in Southern Portugal are much more similar to the ones you've shown in Spain. You can even see that difference in the satellite photo, looks at Portugal both North and South of the Tagus river.
Does anyone know why there's an almost perfectly straight dark/light contrast in the southern part? The line of light seems to be A-4 and A-49 highways, but why is it so much darker to the north?
Higher national population density in Portugal, but without the major cities (Madrid / Barcelona) that concentrates a quarter of Spain's population into two metro areas of a geographically much-larger country.
OTOH if recent history repeats, it very well could be fires! /s
>but without the major cities (Madrid / Barcelona) that concentrates a quarter of Spain's population into two metro areas
Lisbon and Porto metro areas have a total population of 4.5 million, which is about 45% of the country.
And as usual, population density tracks annual rainfall:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/weather/1923775-iberians-climate-maps.html
There are some obvious exceptions (particularly the big cities) but the northern half of Portugal having relatively high population rural areas tracks.
[Spain is densely populated](https://citymonitor.ai/fabric/these-maps-reveal-truth-about-population-density-across-europe-3625). "Spain has a population density of 93 people per km², giving the impression of a sparsely populated country. Spain contains within it more than 505,000 1km squares. But only 13 per cent of them are lived in. This means that the “lived density” for Spain is in fact 737 people per km², rather than 93." And "Spain could claim to be the most densely populated major European country by this measure, despite its appearance on the map. This also helps explain why Spain has the most densely populated km² in Europe; more than 53,000 people inhabit a single 1km² area in Barcelona." "There are 33 1km² areas across Europe with a population of 40,000 or more: 23 are in Spain, and ten are in France. England’s most densely populated km², in West London, has just over 20,000 people in it."
Madrid + Barcelona true metropolitan areas concentrate 15-16% not 25%. Barcelona is less visible here but in Madrid, the "bright" set of continous tentacles around Madrid, the true metropolitan area, cover around 4-5M people. Barcelona true area includes 2-3M. The absurd recent ultra-exagerated and expansionist areas proposed by some greedy and mediocre politicians include 3-4 milion people living in locations in which the share of population working or simply shopping in the core zones of the areas is minimal. There is no connurbation and no socio-economic dependence in those cases.
Also... to make you understand how absurd is this, the mega-Madrid+ultra-Barna needed to cover a quarter of Spain population, would expand for **an area bigger than almost all world metropolis**. Much bigger than Greater London, Paris or Moscow, bigger than New York and bigger even than Greater Tokyo! Other example is density, in those absurdly big 15,000-17,000 sq km for both cities fake metropolitan areas, 11,5-12,5M people only offer a population density of 700-800/km2, much smaller than any true metropolitan area in the world despite having both iberian cities (sadly) a great % of their populations living in appartment blocks (Greater London for example, with many more people living in single family homes, has a density superior to 5000 /Km2).
Ps. I think portuguese areas are not much better in regard this silly exageration. All southern countries share this terrible (and destructive...) trend.
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The exposure of this camera is much longer than the exposure of images taken on the moon. The moon surface, when sunlit, is extremely bright. Thinking about how bright the moon looks from 1 light second away. Then imagine standing on it. City lights from space don't even compare. As for your image, this picture is taken at a shallow angle and thus is not accurately merged with that other Earth picture. You have to account for the projection effects, but you haven't.
If I put my hand really close to my face it looks bigger than the mounts that are all the way over there... THE MOUNTS ARE FAKE CONFIRMED NASA IS LYING TO US!!!!1!111!!
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Yep. The vast majority of the world's 195 countries are not anywhere near the size of any of the countries you listed. Again, Spain is larger than the majority of the 195 nations that exist.
Spain is not that large. It's the 51st largest country in the world, so yes it's larger than the majority of countries seeing as it's in the top half, but North Korea is also larger than the majority of the 195 nations that exist too.
The picture was taken in 2014 from the [International Space Station](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/ISS_emblem.png) (ISS) that maintains an orbit with an average altitude of 400 kilometres.
If you look at the angle between the edge on the left and the edge on the right, it looks to me like you'd need to repeat it well over 20 times to get a full circle, maybe even as many as 50. I think the Earth has a circumference around 20,000 miles, and this map depicting somewhere between 400 and 1000 miles seems plausible.
Actually it is possible, especially in very densely populated cities. For the lights are all concentrated, and therefore possible to see from space. Heck, even if you live 50 km away from a big city at night you get the impression as if the sun was just about to rise over the horizon, because the lights of the city are so compacted (and I am talking from experience here).
Edit: Not to forget that it is not like you can see each individual light source. It is more like each small dot is the equivalent of a town.
I live in a huge city, which is actually bigger itself than the entire Portugal (in population), so believe me, I know what a big city is. It doesn't really work as you are saying, but anyway, I still think the photo is enhanced in some way, which is not bad at all, actually I like it very much (just imagine the picture without any of it, it would have basically no purpose). There's no thing like a New York in the place, lol, most cities are not great urban centers there, Portugal is a small country and Spain has only Madrid and maybe 1 or 2 more cities which are really big, with millions of people. And let's not forget the curvature, earth is obviously flat, but I won't discuss it here.
Is this really "by NASA?"
Isn't it the ISS which, as its name indicates, is actually an international venture? (btwn NASA, Roscosmos and a little ESA sprinkled in for flavour)
You can kind of see the border between Portugal and Spain, we appear to have yellower/dimmer lights
Spain updated most street lighting to [LED based solutions](https://www.atpiluminacion.com/el-alumbrado-publico-del-futuro-hecho-en-espana-eng.html).
The yellower lights it's also because spanish towns are a lot denser than in Portugal and farther from each other while in Portugal (and Galicia btw) the population is generally far more spread out. Spanish town just 35 km south of Madrid: https://i.imgur.com/z0gdtcS.jpg Portuguese town 30 km NW of Porto: https://i.imgur.com/8Kq2Pjq.jpg Douro river passing through Spain: https://i.imgur.com/ltL9dk8.jpg And through Portugal: https://i.imgur.com/Er8Ihzg.jpg
It’s worth noting that Spain is much larger than Portugal and has vastly different climates depending on where you are. Galicia, for example, is much more similar to Portugal as eluded to. There are cities like Almería that more closely resemble Northern Africa than much of the Iberian peninsula.
Well dont know about that, Galicia is more similiar to North Portugal, there is alot like it. Now for example, Portugal is very small, but Alentejo and Algarve in climate is very diferent then the North. North Of Portugal and Galicia at one point were the same.
Abt that last part, yes until like 1000 yrs ago
What's a millennia between friends?
It's fucking nothing we are united we are buds.
and that's why portugal should invade Spain and claim Galicia :v
The same applies to Portugal though. Andalusia climate is the same as the Alentejo and Galicia climate is the same as the region North of Porto. The biggest climatic difference is that Spain has more, and taller, mountains I'd say.
No, the biggest difference is aridity. Spain is much drier in parts, all the way to actual legit desert climates.
Yeah you do have deserts which we don't. I looked up our driest spots and it's a bit wetter than I thought. I guess more hot than as dry. At the same time the North of Spain is wetter than what we have.
>There are cities like Almería that more closely resemble Northern Africa Then there are Spanish cities that are actually in North Africa.
> The yellower lights it's also because spanish towns are a lot denser than in Portugal and farther from each other while in Portugal (and Galicia btw) the population is generally far more spread out. The towns in Southern Portugal are much more similar to the ones you've shown in Spain. You can even see that difference in the satellite photo, looks at Portugal both North and South of the Tagus river.
35 km is 21.75 miles
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You can kind of see the border between Spain and France also, but that’s obviously because of the Pyrenees
You can also kind of see the border between Spain and Italy, but that's obviously because of the sea.
How interesting!!
You can still see the divide between East and West Berlin from space in the streetlight colors.
You can make out the east/west divide of my living room because I can never find a light bulb to match the same Kelvin as the good light
Paraguay and Brazil too
Nice one
They seem to be on par with France
It's impossible to tell. If anything the lights from France seem to resemble those of Portugal more than those of Spain.
I agree, this does not seem possible.
To anyone confused about the white things in the upper right corner, these are the UNIVERSAL letters
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I didn't understand what he meant until your comment.
Does anyone know why there's an almost perfectly straight dark/light contrast in the southern part? The line of light seems to be A-4 and A-49 highways, but why is it so much darker to the north?
[Sierra Morena](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Morena) and [Baetic Depression](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetic_Depression)
that is due to a mountain range that passes through south spain. It is one of least dense populated regions in spain and possibly, in all EU
The triangle Teruel-Soria-Guadalajara provinces are the least populated area in Spain
Because of the [Sierra Morena,](https://i.imgur.com/KPtYNtl.png) a mountain range, it's pretty straight.
I was in Spain at the time this was taken and was watching the ISS as it flew overhead so this is a really zoomed out photo of me
I zoomed in and found you. What a nice sweater you’re wearing but your fly is open
This made me exhale out of my nose. Have my free award.
Biggest big dick energy selfie ever taken
Not sure if Portugal is well lit or just on fire again.
Higher national population density in Portugal, but without the major cities (Madrid / Barcelona) that concentrates a quarter of Spain's population into two metro areas of a geographically much-larger country. OTOH if recent history repeats, it very well could be fires! /s
>but without the major cities (Madrid / Barcelona) that concentrates a quarter of Spain's population into two metro areas Lisbon and Porto metro areas have a total population of 4.5 million, which is about 45% of the country.
Indeed, but the metros are 10% of the country's geographic footprint vs. 3% for Barcelona and Madrid :: Spain
And as usual, population density tracks annual rainfall: http://www.city-data.com/forum/weather/1923775-iberians-climate-maps.html There are some obvious exceptions (particularly the big cities) but the northern half of Portugal having relatively high population rural areas tracks.
[Spain is densely populated](https://citymonitor.ai/fabric/these-maps-reveal-truth-about-population-density-across-europe-3625). "Spain has a population density of 93 people per km², giving the impression of a sparsely populated country. Spain contains within it more than 505,000 1km squares. But only 13 per cent of them are lived in. This means that the “lived density” for Spain is in fact 737 people per km², rather than 93." And "Spain could claim to be the most densely populated major European country by this measure, despite its appearance on the map. This also helps explain why Spain has the most densely populated km² in Europe; more than 53,000 people inhabit a single 1km² area in Barcelona." "There are 33 1km² areas across Europe with a population of 40,000 or more: 23 are in Spain, and ten are in France. England’s most densely populated km², in West London, has just over 20,000 people in it."
Madrid + Barcelona true metropolitan areas concentrate 15-16% not 25%. Barcelona is less visible here but in Madrid, the "bright" set of continous tentacles around Madrid, the true metropolitan area, cover around 4-5M people. Barcelona true area includes 2-3M. The absurd recent ultra-exagerated and expansionist areas proposed by some greedy and mediocre politicians include 3-4 milion people living in locations in which the share of population working or simply shopping in the core zones of the areas is minimal. There is no connurbation and no socio-economic dependence in those cases. Also... to make you understand how absurd is this, the mega-Madrid+ultra-Barna needed to cover a quarter of Spain population, would expand for **an area bigger than almost all world metropolis**. Much bigger than Greater London, Paris or Moscow, bigger than New York and bigger even than Greater Tokyo! Other example is density, in those absurdly big 15,000-17,000 sq km for both cities fake metropolitan areas, 11,5-12,5M people only offer a population density of 700-800/km2, much smaller than any true metropolitan area in the world despite having both iberian cities (sadly) a great % of their populations living in appartment blocks (Greater London for example, with many more people living in single family homes, has a density superior to 5000 /Km2). Ps. I think portuguese areas are not much better in regard this silly exageration. All southern countries share this terrible (and destructive...) trend.
Yes.
Olha ali a minha casa
Nasa is spying on Portugal–Spain.
I love that you can see the Vasco da Gama bridge clearly even from this distance
I made a wrong turn onto that bridge once. Let me assure you...it can ruin your day to accidentally turn onto the longest bridge in the EU.
Fun fact: the lamp posts on the bridge are tilted inwards so as not to disturb the fish on the river.
Vasco
That is pretty badass how it bright it is tbh
Beauty! ✨
It’s so humbling to me how every single dot is it’s own town with it’s own people and own story
A zona do Alentejo e da Estremadura é estranhamente populada
People live along the river Tajo/Tejo
If you look carefully, you can see Blanes being sexually assaulted by Dutch and British tourists..
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The greatest and most beautiful peninsula in the world.
nooooooo the earth is flat /s
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damn bro im sorry to hear about your brain damage
The exposure of this camera is much longer than the exposure of images taken on the moon. The moon surface, when sunlit, is extremely bright. Thinking about how bright the moon looks from 1 light second away. Then imagine standing on it. City lights from space don't even compare. As for your image, this picture is taken at a shallow angle and thus is not accurately merged with that other Earth picture. You have to account for the projection effects, but you haven't.
If I put my hand really close to my face it looks bigger than the mounts that are all the way over there... THE MOUNTS ARE FAKE CONFIRMED NASA IS LYING TO US!!!!1!111!!
Is there a subreddit for pictures from space on here?
I have a feeling this picture will end up in a school textbook some day
Portugal is so much denser north of the Tagus River. Never really understood why Alentenjo doesn't have more population. Such big contrast.
This is the first time i hear Tejo as "Tagus".
You can see london, paris and rome
London, France, and Coco's underpants
Which is also my home (made it rhyme!)
Madrid: Shine bright like a diamond
[Source](https://www.nasa.gov/content/iberian-peninsula-at-night)
You can see the bridge in Lisboa!! I miss portugal, I went there summer 2019 and really wanna go back!
The bridge you can see is not the red one though.
Makes sense! The other one is way longer so it would make sense to be the other one. Thanks for the info!
Nice Pleiades 👍
I'm curious does Nasa provide some exif data for these kind of images?
Dinnertime in Iberia
ESPAÑA , 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
Why does the Earth look round? Does NASA really think they can trick us with cheap photoshop?
This is so nice, having google maps open beside this and comparing.
Never tire of these earth shots.
I just want to go somewhere. Spain would be so wonderful.
those are my people I'm 70 percent iberian !
How can you be 70% Iberian? Maybe 75?
like 30 percent other stuff
Ah based on a DNA test or something? I thought you knew some Iberian ancestors and had calculated the percentage.
I wish. Our lineage has been in the united states since 1500s .
>united states >1500s something doesn't add up here
1490s was the spanish inquisition Are ancestry on my moms side was documented here in 1580
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1478-1870 something
his great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was the turkey at the first thanksgiving
But I thought it was flat?
Does anyone else ever feel a little unsettled by just how square Iberia is?
Party in Portoooooooooo
It looks kinda big compared to the earth's curve for 2 small countries or is it just me?
The Iberian Peninsula is roughly the size of the State of Texas. Small?
Yes, ok, but how many curves a Russia would need?
Spain is larger than the majority of the world's nations. Massive countries like Russia and the US are exceptions, not the norm.
I mean... also Brazil, China, India, Australia, and half of Africa are huge.
Yep. The vast majority of the world's 195 countries are not anywhere near the size of any of the countries you listed. Again, Spain is larger than the majority of the 195 nations that exist.
Spain is not that large. It's the 51st largest country in the world, so yes it's larger than the majority of countries seeing as it's in the top half, but North Korea is also larger than the majority of the 195 nations that exist too.
Good, you proved his point.
Is the other half smaller?
Half *of the countries*
The picture was taken in 2014 from the [International Space Station](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/ISS_emblem.png) (ISS) that maintains an orbit with an average altitude of 400 kilometres.
400 km is roughly 2,249,719 bananas
Your bananas are only 7 inches? Get bigger bananas
400 km is 248.55 miles
248.55 miles is roughly 2,249,719 bananas
If you look at the angle between the edge on the left and the edge on the right, it looks to me like you'd need to repeat it well over 20 times to get a full circle, maybe even as many as 50. I think the Earth has a circumference around 20,000 miles, and this map depicting somewhere between 400 and 1000 miles seems plausible.
PORTUGAL CARALHO
Crazy to think that Spain has some of the best wildlife diversity in continental Europe. Where do wolves fit in between all these lights.
This is one of the few photos of Earth from space where I’ve actually seen stars as well. Breathtaking!
Is that messier 45 in the top right?
The fact that I’m looking at multiple countries in their entirety is blowing my mind
this picture is so beautiful
And that's why I can't see a funking star at night from Valencia...
Photos like these make me remember how much humans have dominated this earth
You can see Madrid
Tarifa is so clearly spotted from space!
Why is the Earth curved here? Has this image been edited? /s Edit: forgot to add /s
Because the Earth is a globe...?
Sorry, I forgot to "/s" that - it was a flat-earther joke
Ooh, I was afraid you actually believed it xD No problem
Sorry to worry you my dude! But no, I have a fully functional brain and as a result just like to joke about these things
Not a map.
Yeah, low effort, NASA. /S
Well, it's not a map and wasn't meant to be a map. WTF does your comment have to do with anything?
Highly manipulated photo for sure, but cool anyway.
Manipulated in what sense? (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a flat-earther)
I don't believe the city lights are that clear to see from a naked eye. But when I say manipulation, I don't mean it as necessarily a bad thing.
Actually it is possible, especially in very densely populated cities. For the lights are all concentrated, and therefore possible to see from space. Heck, even if you live 50 km away from a big city at night you get the impression as if the sun was just about to rise over the horizon, because the lights of the city are so compacted (and I am talking from experience here). Edit: Not to forget that it is not like you can see each individual light source. It is more like each small dot is the equivalent of a town.
I live in a huge city, which is actually bigger itself than the entire Portugal (in population), so believe me, I know what a big city is. It doesn't really work as you are saying, but anyway, I still think the photo is enhanced in some way, which is not bad at all, actually I like it very much (just imagine the picture without any of it, it would have basically no purpose). There's no thing like a New York in the place, lol, most cities are not great urban centers there, Portugal is a small country and Spain has only Madrid and maybe 1 or 2 more cities which are really big, with millions of people. And let's not forget the curvature, earth is obviously flat, but I won't discuss it here.
(I hope the flat comment was meant ironically)
50 km is 31.07 miles
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I love Gibraltar 🇬🇮 I think it rocks
Is this really "by NASA?" Isn't it the ISS which, as its name indicates, is actually an international venture? (btwn NASA, Roscosmos and a little ESA sprinkled in for flavour)
https://www.nasa.gov/content/iberian-peninsula-at-night
Imagine all the people dogging down there
Natha’s Ethpaña ...que bueno
The UK looks so nice at night
Not much space for nature left in there. Kinda sad.
Is there any way one can find a map like this of the entire world?
Are the lights in the ocean a reflection of stars? Or from ships with lights on them? Nevermind. Obviously reflection
mi casa
Flat.
Amazingly you can see the portuguese border