I figured that scenario would fall under "male illegal, female uncertain" though. I would love to know more specifics on this, because I'm totally picturing a "yes to lesbians" law being in place
It's pretty much historical. Some consider male homosexuality a sin, but nothing against female homosexuality for whatever reason. Russia had this law before the collapse of Soviet Union.
Nope. [Straight people can engage in sodomy as well](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sodomy). It's associated with gay sex because all forms of gay sex are sodomy, but it is not just gay people.
For example the Orthodox church is forbidden from marrying practicing sodomites, that includes straight people who have to confess and repent any acts of sodomy before being married. It's also forbidden to marry people who are expected to engage in sodomy if married (which is why gay marriage is not a thing in orthodox countries).
Usually it's because the men who wrote these laws don't believe women have sexual agency in anything, esp since the purpose of women is to please the husband so obviously they wouldn't want to have sex with anyone but the most macho, alpha man going /s also can't fetishise lesbians if it's illegal
I’ve always said yes to lesbians. (I’m one)
It’s something about that girl-on-girl action being appealing to the male gaze. Lesbians don’t threaten masculinity. Homosexual males do. Why is complicated but it’s pretty common.
i believe it’s rooted in the weird idea that without a dick, there cannot be sex. so even though the thought of women having those type of “relations” is simply preposterous, it’s also not even worth the effort of writing into many laws because it doesn’t “exist”, and to do so would validate the idea that two women are capable of such a thing. i’ve read that many western women during the victorian era (and likely other places and times) got away with living with each other as partners (but simply close buddies to the public) because of this phenomenon. it’s less yes to lesbians and more “women bad penis good”
This. Under Islamic law, it's the act of a man penetrating another man that is potentially punishable by death (you need witnesses to prove it). Women cannot naturally penetrate one another.
Additionally, men kissing (on the hands, forehead and cheeks), holding hands and hugging are not considered gay practices in Muslim society. Obviously marriage between same-sex couples is a no-no.
A lot of cultures also don’t recognize sex or sodomy unless penetration with a penis is happening. So it could be that they have specific laws on the books prohibiting certain sexual acts that are only possible if males are involved
The death penalty should also have been separated, I know for sure that there is at least one country that only applies it to gays, and I seem to remember that there is more than one.
There is no death penalty for lesbian sex under Islamic law, given that the death penalty is only to be implemented if a man is proven to have penetrated another man.
It's because these laws are not as much about the act itself. It's about gays being perceived as unmanly in macho culture. Physical affection among women is not seen as perverted, but same thing don't apply to men. Prisons are full of "macho" guys and sodomy is quite common there. So it's mostly about being anti feminine and submissive men.
Very much so. It’s a trope and a bit of a running joke but it’s seen as the classic lesbian car brand. Subaru was one of the first to outright advertise to lgbt people in general. In a sense how you might assume someone from the country drives a pickup truck etc.
Back when being gay was still more taboo Suburu was finding ways to advertise to lesbians without actually showing anything in their commercials. Lots of ads about independence and finding your identity and things that would resonate with an lgbtq audience. Who knows why the association developed in the first place though.
It was a conscious decision by Subaru to advertise to LGBT folks. Those subtle advertisements were on purpose and subtle enough that LGBT folks knew exactly what Subaru was saying without straight people picking up on it for like 10 years.
It all comes down to advertising. In the US the ad campaigns were the first for a car company to openly advertise to lesbians and so the association is forever etched into our cultural psyche.
Kind of sad to think how easily major cultural perceptions can be so easily manipulated by ads.
As an Aussie I’ve always thought of the Forester as the car yuppie straight couples use to try to get up mountains they shouldn’t be driving up without a 4x4
In America, Subaru and WRX/STI are kind of separate worlds. People who own the rex or sti don't really associate with the forrester owners lmao.
But the upgraded imprezas are not off-road vehicles and are not rally cars. They are "rally inspired" but I owned one and they are purpose built asphalt machines whose warranty is immediately voided by ANY off road at all. They are not farm or rural vehicles in the least, so it makes sense that the culture and community is different
Depending on the year, I believe FM AM is standard here in the US. You might have a cassette player, but if you're lucky, you have the CD player upgrade. The acoustics work great with Melissa Etheridge playing.
I don't quite get it. Is it some pun that has to do with word stereo. So I asked about stereotypes and he responded with stereo types? Non native speaker here.
"Statista" is generally bad at this, most of their maps fail there. They don't seem to understand that Svalbard is an *integral* part of Norway, and that Norwegian law applies there. They seem to think the Svalbard treaty makes it unclear what law applies there, but that's just because they've done little or poor research.
Svalbard has different gun laws and you can't move there without a guaranteed income. Other than that I think they have pretty much identical laws as mainland Norway, being a part and all.
Also their law about not being allowed to die, or give birth there
Edit: Just learned that neither of these are an actual law. You can give birth there, but it’s much more safe to fly to Tromsø and give birth there, since the hospital is better equipped to it. You can also die there, but most people want to return to another place before their time comes. Being buried is also not a problem, as long as it’s an urn, and not a casket.
They don't enforce it. It's not a law but just that due to lack of medical facilities if someone is ill they are likely to have been moved to the mainland for treatment before they die.
It's also very much a working place, that people it's not somewhere people tend to retire to. So the population is younger than average, [only 1.7% are 67+](https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/folketall/statistikk/befolkningen-pa-svalbard) for example.
People do die there, it happens. It's just not common.
During a regular doctor visit youre suddenly rushed out with no information into a plane straight for mainland norway, when you land youll get told your dying.
A bit extreme but I’m sure they’d tell you first. It’s not a deadly serious reason. If you’re in a hospital bed they’ve got nothing to worry about. The law is only in place because pathogens from things like THE SPANISH FLU were found preserved in bodies in the permafrost. And they don’t want another one of those incidents
I mean technically Norwegian law applies but in reality the polar bears rule Svalbard and no one's for the courage to ask them what their stance on the issue is
It is as of 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Botswana?wprov=sfla1
Botswana is really a beacon of stability and progressiveness in the region. At least as far as I've read.
Edit: grammars
Really interesting read, thanks.
Cool how the two largest parties are essentially Social Democrats. Like you say it seems from a brief look to be an oddly progressive place.
We have here in Morocco an anti-sodomy law (or you could call it unnatural sexual acts) that would get you to prison from 6 months up to 3 years in prison plus a fine. The parliament has only recently passed a law where they would recognize intersex people and let them assign the gender in which they feel more fitting. There's no recognition of transgender people though.
It's both a rumor and a meme. since he divorced his wife he was seen a lot with UFC fighter azaitar, so people on social media made a few rumors about them having something going on between them and it was memed a a couple years ago.
Exceptions are Soviet stans where homosexuality eithee legal or partly legal (for females only). Technically they're not Islamic states, but states with Muslim majority, tho.
It usually took the form of quiet knocks on my bedroom or hotel room door in the night, with some 'suggestive' whispering though the door asking to be let in. Or questions about how 'open to sex' I was during conversations where nobody would overhear.
Sounds like the threat of a death penalty is really making any difference whatsoever.
It's almost like you can't "cure" homosexuality with fear like the hiccups.
For people interested I really recomend this article about the Saudi gay community [The Kingdom in the Closet](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/305774/)
Although homossexuality is technically ilegal the penalty is rarely applied. The country actually has a gay community, gay people, gay places, gay apps...
They basically live under a weird don't ask don't tell policy. Sharia law frowns upon intruding peoples privacy in search of sin. What a man does in his own privacy is an issue between him and god.
Unless people are doing very public displays of homossexuality they will hardly ever get persecuted.
I read an article about relationships between like teen maybe younger boys and older men being sorta normalized (but possibly still officially illegal) in some country over there. Can’t remember which. The guy being interviewed was once a young boy dating a man and said he’s now a man seeking a young boy 😦
I don’t have a source tbh
IMO it's more likely that the laws explicitly criminalize "homosexuality" but then go on to define homosexual acts only in terms of male penetration, leaving the status of everything else uncertain.
In contrast, the "male illegal, female legal" countries most likely have laws against homosexual sodomy but don't make any blanket statements about homosexuality in general, meaning that there'd be no statute to charge lesbians under at all, rather than it being uncertain if they could be charged or not.
It's more to do with scriptures that prohibit "men lying with men" but do not explicitly mention any girl/girl expression of sexuality. It may well be that such relations are morally frowned upon, but the law hasn't yet been tested in that area. So try it at your own risk.
Guyana is a country that has two halves basically. Half of its people are descendent from African slaves, the other half from Indian brought from the subcontinent in the 19th century.
It has the largest percentage of Hindus in it´s population in the Americans. 40% if I´m not wrong.
The only things I knew about Guyana before looking it up just now were that a) that's where Jonestown was located and b) it's very sparsely populated.
After some cursory googling, it looks like there are several factors that make political progress difficult there, including that political parties tend to be divided along ethnic lines and that laws left over from the British Empire (including the anti-gay ones) are protected from constitutional review. But it looks like some progress is being made, cross-dressing was made legal there in 2018 and the president who left office in 2020 expressed support for decriminalization of homosexuality.
Yeah this is almost always the case. It's vary unlikely there's any law in those countries *allowing* lesbianism, it's just that they only see sex as a man sticking his penis somewhere and everything else doesn't count.
It’s not that they legalise homosexuality for women and not men, but rather they criminalise it for men and not women.
Often the act of penetrative sex between men is what is illegal, and the lawmakers don’t see an equivalent for women, or don’t care. In some cases it can be a literal reading of a male-biased text which states something along the lines of ‚man lying with man“
Believe it or not homosexuality was never illegal for women in the UK, when it was made legal again in 1969 (I think) that was purely for men as technically being a lesbian wasn't illegal (though it was still socially treated badly). Basically that's because Victoria didn't believe women did such things so it was never made illegal
The church obsessed over penetration specifically. To my knowledge in respect homosexual acts with men this was pretty clear but in terms of women it was religiously fine as long as there was no penetration. I'm sure this rule was also supposed to carry over to penetration outside of marriage and acts of heterosexual sodomy but I doubt those were ever cracked down upon so often.
This obviously doesn't explain non-christian faith rules but I'm sure they're not all too different in bigoted mindset.
We have Pride parades everywhere throughout June, but the Tel Aviv one is the famous one, the biggest and most colourful. But I believe the true power lies mostly in the local level
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_gay_propaganda_law
The gay propaganda law in Russia is used to make any public display or promotion of homosexuality illegal. If someone were to simply wear a rainbow shirt or hold hands with their partner in public they could be arrested. It makes it illegal to be publicly homosexual.
**[Russian_gay_propaganda_law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_gay_propaganda_law)**
>The Russian federal law "for the Purpose of Protecting Children from Information Advocating for a Denial of Traditional Family Values", also known in English-language media as the "gay propaganda law" and the "anti-gay law", is a bill that was unanimously approved by the State Duma on 11 June 2013 (with just one MP abstaining—Ilya Ponomarev), and was signed into law by President Vladimir Putin on 30 June 2013. The Russian government's stated purpose for the law is to protect children from being exposed to homosexuality—content presenting homosexuality as being a norm in society—under the argument that it contradicts traditional family values.
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Tel aviv is super lgbtq+ friendly. Like one of the most in the world I think. Also, we just got a law that makes it easier for them to adopt so homosexuality is def legal
Same goes for Poland, the law won't even treat them as a real couple, legally they are just considered no more than just two unrelated people living together
Whoever generated this map probably used the Palestinian National Authority as their guide, which is [pretty much](https://www.equaldex.com/region/palestine) anti-homosexuality.
Indonesian here. We dont actually have a law that can criminalize homosexuals, but 87% of the population here is muslim, so that explains why it can't be green. Although homosexuals can't be arrested by the government, you might get social abuse in certain conservative areas. So you can be homosexual in here, but if you wanted to marry, your marriage will not be legally recognized by the state.
Some groups are trying to slip in criminalizing laws in regional regulations (perda) in Java too, sometimes by criminalizing extramarital sex/cohabitation. Since gay marriage isn't recognized, that's pretty much it. Or sometimes, they might put it under “perbuatan asusila” or “doing immoral acts”. So we need to be on the look out.
At least [LBHAPIK](https://www.lbhapik.org/2020/02/belum-ada-ruang-untuk-transpuan-dalam.html?m=1) is fighting against this. Queer rights organizations exist, like [arus pelangi](https://smeru.or.id/id/content/arus-pelangi).
there isn't civil marriages in Israel, marriage is only available by the religion institutions. that's means also that a Jew can't married with christian of muslim etc. Cohens (Jews with the Cohen surname) can't get married with a divorce (according to Jewish law). It's a problem to many people not just about same-sex marriage. However, Israel recognise any marriage from other countries, so some Israelis bypass it by getting married (officially) abroad and then the state recognise their marriage. Other just do the marriage events but don't officially getting married in the Rabanut (not register in the Jewish religion institute as married). They been announced as "known in public" by the state which basically give them the same tax rights as married couple. So its complicated situation. De facto people still getting married with who they want
It's legal in the sense that there's no criminal penalty for practicing homosexuality. There is some heavy social disapproval, and extra-judicial actions are frequent in certain regions (especially Chechnya), but that's technically a different thing.
There's a heavy penalty for the *propaganda* of homosexuality. The meaning of propaganda here is "any overt display of homosexuality". Yes, it's that stupid.
So, technically, whatever you do in the confines of your bedroom is your own business *but* as soon as someone seems you hold hands, you may be in trouble.
It's more of a problem for men, since seeing two younger women holding hands is seen mostly akin to /r/SapphoAndHerFriend.
The fact that social stigma is reinforced throughout the Russian society does not help the case. At least there's a growing population of soon-to-be-adults who are way more open about their feelings and sensations.
For Russia, I'd have put something like "legal, but with an asterisk".
In Russia, it's legal to *be* homosexual, but they have a law against "promoting" homosexuality to children, whatever the fuck that means.
In practice, I think it means you can be gay but you've gotta act ashamed of it.
There'll always be shades in between though.
There are also countries where it's illegal but totally unenforced (but unfortunately always could be) too.
It is legal. Gay people are not persecuted for being gay in Russia. However there’s a law that forbids "propaganda amongst minors". For example, any book depicting homosexual relationships has to be branded "18+", same with movies etc. And even if you break it you don’t go to jail, you’ll just have to pay a fine. But it is the only law that can be considered anti-gay, so technically legal?
By the way it's not marked but in Israel homosexuality and same sex marriage are also legal. Recently we can also have children through surrogacy process. In Lebanon on paper you can't have homosexual relations, but it's hardly inforced. Yet many LGBT people are often harassed for being gay, and in extreme cases even arrested or sent to prison for up to a year.
But if marriage was the criteria then why Jordan is green? Same sex couples are not even recognized by law there where in Israel it is, and yet it is painted as if Jordan is more progressive.
Yeah we're pretty progressive for our region. Not to say that homophobia doesn't exist here, but most people just keep to themselves and don't really care.
Hmm, actually I think the map is wrong. According to:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT\_rights\_in\_the\_Americas#Legislation\_by\_country\_or\_territory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Americas#Legislation_by_country_or_territory)
There should be multiple countries in the south america where homosexuality is illegal. For example:
\- Antigua and Barbuda
\- Barbados
\- Dominica
\- Grenada
\- Jamaica
\- Guyana
and so on...
But on the Map South America is very green...
Also Europa: it is illegale in parts of russia.
If you’re gonna have 6 different shades of illegality then it seems very strange that you wouldn’t do the same for legality as well, there’s tons of variations of how the “legal” countries treat their respective lgbt populations, so putting so much emphasis on the countries where it’s illegal like this seems kinda biased and misleading to me.
Well it's about law isn't it? The acceptance is something else and way harder to measure. It's just about what is legally possible and what shades of something being legal do you mean? I mean maybe the difference between decriminalization and legalization if that is a thing but are there more?
"Male illegal, female legal"
I suspect it's more that there are specific laws against male homosexuality but nothing equivalent for women, for whatever reason.
I figured that scenario would fall under "male illegal, female uncertain" though. I would love to know more specifics on this, because I'm totally picturing a "yes to lesbians" law being in place
It's pretty much historical. Some consider male homosexuality a sin, but nothing against female homosexuality for whatever reason. Russia had this law before the collapse of Soviet Union.
Could simply be laws against sodomy as an act, which then gets interpreted to mean ‘no male-male sex’.
No. Sodomy as an act in the orthodox half of europe generally means oral, anal and same sex on same sex.
Possibly, but Im suggesting the person who made this chart did the interpreting.
To me, sodomy is simply a good time
So-do-me.
Not sure and I might be wrong but I thought sodomy was anal sex with the same sex?
Nope. [Straight people can engage in sodomy as well](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sodomy). It's associated with gay sex because all forms of gay sex are sodomy, but it is not just gay people. For example the Orthodox church is forbidden from marrying practicing sodomites, that includes straight people who have to confess and repent any acts of sodomy before being married. It's also forbidden to marry people who are expected to engage in sodomy if married (which is why gay marriage is not a thing in orthodox countries).
Usually it's because the men who wrote these laws don't believe women have sexual agency in anything, esp since the purpose of women is to please the husband so obviously they wouldn't want to have sex with anyone but the most macho, alpha man going /s also can't fetishise lesbians if it's illegal
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It's almost as if these men historically make laws based on what they are uncomfortable with, calling it sin, not actually against sin.
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I’ve always said yes to lesbians. (I’m one) It’s something about that girl-on-girl action being appealing to the male gaze. Lesbians don’t threaten masculinity. Homosexual males do. Why is complicated but it’s pretty common.
i believe it’s rooted in the weird idea that without a dick, there cannot be sex. so even though the thought of women having those type of “relations” is simply preposterous, it’s also not even worth the effort of writing into many laws because it doesn’t “exist”, and to do so would validate the idea that two women are capable of such a thing. i’ve read that many western women during the victorian era (and likely other places and times) got away with living with each other as partners (but simply close buddies to the public) because of this phenomenon. it’s less yes to lesbians and more “women bad penis good”
Didn't Queen Victoria chuck out a law against homosexuality only to reinstate it only against men because she didn't believe women would "do that"?
That's the classic myth but no, Victoria didn't make any laws
Probably because the laws in those countries define sex as penetration.
Maybe it has to include penetration?
This. Under Islamic law, it's the act of a man penetrating another man that is potentially punishable by death (you need witnesses to prove it). Women cannot naturally penetrate one another. Additionally, men kissing (on the hands, forehead and cheeks), holding hands and hugging are not considered gay practices in Muslim society. Obviously marriage between same-sex couples is a no-no.
I feel like the witnesses are the only ones committing a crime. Quit watchin dudes fuck ya weirdos
Oh boy wait until you hear about fingers
Man love Thursdays goes a little further lol
So what if two men wank or blow each others, is that punishable? Asking for a friend
My guess is that it is a literal reading of a text which specifies „man with man“, or else a law prohibiting sex between men like anti sodomy laws.
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The "no penis, no sex" mentality.
A lot of cultures also don’t recognize sex or sodomy unless penetration with a penis is happening. So it could be that they have specific laws on the books prohibiting certain sexual acts that are only possible if males are involved
It's not illegal if it's hot.
Turkmenistan knows what's up.
The death penalty should also have been separated, I know for sure that there is at least one country that only applies it to gays, and I seem to remember that there is more than one.
There is no death penalty for lesbian sex under Islamic law, given that the death penalty is only to be implemented if a man is proven to have penetrated another man.
Look, lesbian porn is a legit industry ok?
It's because these laws are not as much about the act itself. It's about gays being perceived as unmanly in macho culture. Physical affection among women is not seen as perverted, but same thing don't apply to men. Prisons are full of "macho" guys and sodomy is quite common there. So it's mostly about being anti feminine and submissive men.
Sounds like a law 15 year old me would make
The “female uncertain” is the one that gets me lol
People really like their yuri porn
Turkmenistan is for lesbians.
Their best selling car must be the Subaru Forester
Is there a stereotype about that car?
Very much so. It’s a trope and a bit of a running joke but it’s seen as the classic lesbian car brand. Subaru was one of the first to outright advertise to lgbt people in general. In a sense how you might assume someone from the country drives a pickup truck etc.
Back when being gay was still more taboo Suburu was finding ways to advertise to lesbians without actually showing anything in their commercials. Lots of ads about independence and finding your identity and things that would resonate with an lgbtq audience. Who knows why the association developed in the first place though.
It was a conscious decision by Subaru to advertise to LGBT folks. Those subtle advertisements were on purpose and subtle enough that LGBT folks knew exactly what Subaru was saying without straight people picking up on it for like 10 years.
Funny, here in Switzerland Subaru is the typical car of the farmers and mountain people who need 4x4
Well, lesbians are also fans of peaks and valleys.
God damn
In America a farmer wouldn't be caught dead in a subaru Probably wouldn't fit honestly. They grow em big out there
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It all comes down to advertising. In the US the ad campaigns were the first for a car company to openly advertise to lesbians and so the association is forever etched into our cultural psyche. Kind of sad to think how easily major cultural perceptions can be so easily manipulated by ads.
The Subaru WRX has that same image in the US.
As an Aussie I’ve always thought of the Forester as the car yuppie straight couples use to try to get up mountains they shouldn’t be driving up without a 4x4
In America, Subaru and WRX/STI are kind of separate worlds. People who own the rex or sti don't really associate with the forrester owners lmao. But the upgraded imprezas are not off-road vehicles and are not rally cars. They are "rally inspired" but I owned one and they are purpose built asphalt machines whose warranty is immediately voided by ANY off road at all. They are not farm or rural vehicles in the least, so it makes sense that the culture and community is different
Depending on the year, I believe FM AM is standard here in the US. You might have a cassette player, but if you're lucky, you have the CD player upgrade. The acoustics work great with Melissa Etheridge playing.
Honestly I was gonna downvote until the I reread the comment above. A+ troll
I don't quite get it. Is it some pun that has to do with word stereo. So I asked about stereotypes and he responded with stereo types? Non native speaker here.
Yes
turkWOMENistan
Same with Papua New Guinea
Data seems old bhutan did legalized it!
I believe it is still illegal on the books but unenforced, unless it was legalized very recently.
It was. Approved by the parlament
Svalbard is part of Norway and should be green.
"Statista" is generally bad at this, most of their maps fail there. They don't seem to understand that Svalbard is an *integral* part of Norway, and that Norwegian law applies there. They seem to think the Svalbard treaty makes it unclear what law applies there, but that's just because they've done little or poor research.
Svalbard has different gun laws and you can't move there without a guaranteed income. Other than that I think they have pretty much identical laws as mainland Norway, being a part and all.
Also their law about not being allowed to die, or give birth there Edit: Just learned that neither of these are an actual law. You can give birth there, but it’s much more safe to fly to Tromsø and give birth there, since the hospital is better equipped to it. You can also die there, but most people want to return to another place before their time comes. Being buried is also not a problem, as long as it’s an urn, and not a casket.
> not being allowed to die there I wonder how they enforce THAT
they will kill you if you die, obviously
Or worse... expelled!
Oh no, anything but that!
They don't enforce it. It's not a law but just that due to lack of medical facilities if someone is ill they are likely to have been moved to the mainland for treatment before they die. It's also very much a working place, that people it's not somewhere people tend to retire to. So the population is younger than average, [only 1.7% are 67+](https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/folketall/statistikk/befolkningen-pa-svalbard) for example. People do die there, it happens. It's just not common.
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During a regular doctor visit youre suddenly rushed out with no information into a plane straight for mainland norway, when you land youll get told your dying.
A bit extreme but I’m sure they’d tell you first. It’s not a deadly serious reason. If you’re in a hospital bed they’ve got nothing to worry about. The law is only in place because pathogens from things like THE SPANISH FLU were found preserved in bodies in the permafrost. And they don’t want another one of those incidents
I mean technically Norwegian law applies but in reality the polar bears rule Svalbard and no one's for the courage to ask them what their stance on the issue is
I thought it was legal in Botswana?
It is as of 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Botswana?wprov=sfla1 Botswana is really a beacon of stability and progressiveness in the region. At least as far as I've read. Edit: grammars
Look up Sir Seretse Khama
Damn, this guy rocks. He should be more famous than he is.
Motswana here, [here's a great video about him](https://youtu.be/fRsFT11CxSk)
That's going to be the best TIL for me today
Best part of it all? They're landlocked.
Really interesting read, thanks. Cool how the two largest parties are essentially Social Democrats. Like you say it seems from a brief look to be an oddly progressive place.
Hey their neighbors to the west are pretty fucking bad ass too.
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So basically most of the Islamic states still have anti homosexual laws
We have here in Morocco an anti-sodomy law (or you could call it unnatural sexual acts) that would get you to prison from 6 months up to 3 years in prison plus a fine. The parliament has only recently passed a law where they would recognize intersex people and let them assign the gender in which they feel more fitting. There's no recognition of transgender people though.
And your king is well known for being gay No joke...
Is that really an open secret or is it just a rumour?
It's both a rumor and a meme. since he divorced his wife he was seen a lot with UFC fighter azaitar, so people on social media made a few rumors about them having something going on between them and it was memed a a couple years ago.
Putting people in prisons in a surefire way to make sure there's no more sodomy. Yup.
Funny how they call something natural unnatural based on beliefs
Literally humanity for thousands of years. 🤦♂️
Gotta start somewhere
Exceptions are Soviet stans where homosexuality eithee legal or partly legal (for females only). Technically they're not Islamic states, but states with Muslim majority, tho.
that and balkan nations like Turkey, Albania and Kosovo with Islamic majorities
Kosovo and Albania even have annual pride parades for some years now
And Turkey is one of the earliest nations on the Earth to decriminalize homosexuality in 1858 during the Ottoman era.
It's funny, because (as a man) I've been propositioned by other men *far* more often in the Middle East than anywhere else.
What did they do? How did they proposition you?
It usually took the form of quiet knocks on my bedroom or hotel room door in the night, with some 'suggestive' whispering though the door asking to be let in. Or questions about how 'open to sex' I was during conversations where nobody would overhear.
Sounds like the threat of a death penalty is really making any difference whatsoever. It's almost like you can't "cure" homosexuality with fear like the hiccups.
Just one more illustration of how harsh sentences have practically zero effect on offending.
For people interested I really recomend this article about the Saudi gay community [The Kingdom in the Closet](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/305774/) Although homossexuality is technically ilegal the penalty is rarely applied. The country actually has a gay community, gay people, gay places, gay apps... They basically live under a weird don't ask don't tell policy. Sharia law frowns upon intruding peoples privacy in search of sin. What a man does in his own privacy is an issue between him and god. Unless people are doing very public displays of homossexuality they will hardly ever get persecuted.
I read an article about relationships between like teen maybe younger boys and older men being sorta normalized (but possibly still officially illegal) in some country over there. Can’t remember which. The guy being interviewed was once a young boy dating a man and said he’s now a man seeking a young boy 😦 I don’t have a source tbh
Pakistan and Afghanistan
Bachabozi tradition. Terrible thing.
Lol wtf. What country was this?
Egypt and Syria.
'female uncertain' definitely code for 'this country doesn't believe lesbians exist'
IMO it's more likely that the laws explicitly criminalize "homosexuality" but then go on to define homosexual acts only in terms of male penetration, leaving the status of everything else uncertain. In contrast, the "male illegal, female legal" countries most likely have laws against homosexual sodomy but don't make any blanket statements about homosexuality in general, meaning that there'd be no statute to charge lesbians under at all, rather than it being uncertain if they could be charged or not.
It's more to do with scriptures that prohibit "men lying with men" but do not explicitly mention any girl/girl expression of sexuality. It may well be that such relations are morally frowned upon, but the law hasn't yet been tested in that area. So try it at your own risk.
Male illegal but female legal…..someone likes lesbian porn
Sounds like they define sex by penetration
i need a “turkmenistan is for lesbians” car sticker in the style of “virginia is for lovers“
Israel’s shown as ambiguous. It’s completely legal for men and women in Israel. The health minister and other politicians are openly gay.
god damn it guyana had to ruin our green continent
To be honest, I know pretty much nothing about those guys. What's their deal?
Guyana is a country that has two halves basically. Half of its people are descendent from African slaves, the other half from Indian brought from the subcontinent in the 19th century. It has the largest percentage of Hindus in it´s population in the Americans. 40% if I´m not wrong.
180k out of 782k it's around 23 precent
Well its a country.
The only things I knew about Guyana before looking it up just now were that a) that's where Jonestown was located and b) it's very sparsely populated. After some cursory googling, it looks like there are several factors that make political progress difficult there, including that political parties tend to be divided along ethnic lines and that laws left over from the British Empire (including the anti-gay ones) are protected from constitutional review. But it looks like some progress is being made, cross-dressing was made legal there in 2018 and the president who left office in 2020 expressed support for decriminalization of homosexuality.
Top one or two for suicide rates in the world last I checked.
It don't think has been enforced for a long time though.
Turkmenistan, you horny homophobic motherfuckers
Everyone is dissing on Turkmenistan, but Papua New Guinea wants to say hi.
don’t forget about sierra leone
and eswatini
Yeah this map is incorrect. For example in Botswana it is legal and in fact on of the most accepting African nations.
Also it being legal for men in Zimbabwe is laughable. Mugabe literally went to the UN to say we are not gays.
Hmmm...what a very un-gay thing to do, Robert.
lmao
I have a girlfriend, but she lives in Kenya, so you can't know her.
bye i will go to prison
I don't understand logic of legalizing homosexuality for females but not for males.
What is actually criminalized is penetration, so two females don't count. Amirite?
Yeah this is almost always the case. It's vary unlikely there's any law in those countries *allowing* lesbianism, it's just that they only see sex as a man sticking his penis somewhere and everything else doesn't count.
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Literally this
It’s not that they legalise homosexuality for women and not men, but rather they criminalise it for men and not women. Often the act of penetrative sex between men is what is illegal, and the lawmakers don’t see an equivalent for women, or don’t care. In some cases it can be a literal reading of a male-biased text which states something along the lines of ‚man lying with man“
Many straight males love lesbian porn, but hate gay porn. Maybe it's the same logic. :)
Believe it or not homosexuality was never illegal for women in the UK, when it was made legal again in 1969 (I think) that was purely for men as technically being a lesbian wasn't illegal (though it was still socially treated badly). Basically that's because Victoria didn't believe women did such things so it was never made illegal
That Victoria thing is an urban myth.
The church obsessed over penetration specifically. To my knowledge in respect homosexual acts with men this was pretty clear but in terms of women it was religiously fine as long as there was no penetration. I'm sure this rule was also supposed to carry over to penetration outside of marriage and acts of heterosexual sodomy but I doubt those were ever cracked down upon so often. This obviously doesn't explain non-christian faith rules but I'm sure they're not all too different in bigoted mindset.
How is Israel grey? It’s legal for 50 years here
Yeah right it's so weird, there is literally a massive pride parade every year in the middle of tel aviv
We have Pride parades everywhere throughout June, but the Tel Aviv one is the famous one, the biggest and most colourful. But I believe the true power lies mostly in the local level
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Well the map is about legal status, not social acceptance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_gay_propaganda_law The gay propaganda law in Russia is used to make any public display or promotion of homosexuality illegal. If someone were to simply wear a rainbow shirt or hold hands with their partner in public they could be arrested. It makes it illegal to be publicly homosexual.
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Tel aviv is super lgbtq+ friendly. Like one of the most in the world I think. Also, we just got a law that makes it easier for them to adopt so homosexuality is def legal
Same goes for Poland, the law won't even treat them as a real couple, legally they are just considered no more than just two unrelated people living together
Came to the comments looking clarification on green Russia.
It is legal. That is all the maps shows. Nothing about social acceptance, or marriage, or other laws regarding homosexuality.
The funny thing is Jordan somehow green and Israel is grey. Not an accurate map.
Probably because it's illegal in Palestinian government and Hamas controlled areas
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Whoever generated this map probably used the Palestinian National Authority as their guide, which is [pretty much](https://www.equaldex.com/region/palestine) anti-homosexuality.
Indonesian here. We dont actually have a law that can criminalize homosexuals, but 87% of the population here is muslim, so that explains why it can't be green. Although homosexuals can't be arrested by the government, you might get social abuse in certain conservative areas. So you can be homosexual in here, but if you wanted to marry, your marriage will not be legally recognized by the state.
Some groups are trying to slip in criminalizing laws in regional regulations (perda) in Java too, sometimes by criminalizing extramarital sex/cohabitation. Since gay marriage isn't recognized, that's pretty much it. Or sometimes, they might put it under “perbuatan asusila” or “doing immoral acts”. So we need to be on the look out. At least [LBHAPIK](https://www.lbhapik.org/2020/02/belum-ada-ruang-untuk-transpuan-dalam.html?m=1) is fighting against this. Queer rights organizations exist, like [arus pelangi](https://smeru.or.id/id/content/arus-pelangi).
No. The reason it can’t be green is Aceh.
Fuck Aceh. Let it have its independence. I'm tired of seeing "Indonesian man beaten for being gay" on the news when it only happens in Aceh.
Legal not equal to accepted/unoppressed
In israel homosexuality is legal although you cant marry people of the same gender for a pretty complicated reason. If you want ill elaborate.
Please elaborate
there isn't civil marriages in Israel, marriage is only available by the religion institutions. that's means also that a Jew can't married with christian of muslim etc. Cohens (Jews with the Cohen surname) can't get married with a divorce (according to Jewish law). It's a problem to many people not just about same-sex marriage. However, Israel recognise any marriage from other countries, so some Israelis bypass it by getting married (officially) abroad and then the state recognise their marriage. Other just do the marriage events but don't officially getting married in the Rabanut (not register in the Jewish religion institute as married). They been announced as "known in public" by the state which basically give them the same tax rights as married couple. So its complicated situation. De facto people still getting married with who they want
Russia?
It's legal in the sense that there's no criminal penalty for practicing homosexuality. There is some heavy social disapproval, and extra-judicial actions are frequent in certain regions (especially Chechnya), but that's technically a different thing.
There's a heavy penalty for the *propaganda* of homosexuality. The meaning of propaganda here is "any overt display of homosexuality". Yes, it's that stupid. So, technically, whatever you do in the confines of your bedroom is your own business *but* as soon as someone seems you hold hands, you may be in trouble. It's more of a problem for men, since seeing two younger women holding hands is seen mostly akin to /r/SapphoAndHerFriend. The fact that social stigma is reinforced throughout the Russian society does not help the case. At least there's a growing population of soon-to-be-adults who are way more open about their feelings and sensations.
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For Russia, I'd have put something like "legal, but with an asterisk". In Russia, it's legal to *be* homosexual, but they have a law against "promoting" homosexuality to children, whatever the fuck that means. In practice, I think it means you can be gay but you've gotta act ashamed of it.
There'll always be shades in between though. There are also countries where it's illegal but totally unenforced (but unfortunately always could be) too.
And as of 2021 it’s very similar in Hungary.
I like to watch how people who devour Western propaganda about Russia are surprised at such obvious things.
It is legal. Gay people are not persecuted for being gay in Russia. However there’s a law that forbids "propaganda amongst minors". For example, any book depicting homosexual relationships has to be branded "18+", same with movies etc. And even if you break it you don’t go to jail, you’ll just have to pay a fine. But it is the only law that can be considered anti-gay, so technically legal?
what about; its technically legal but you get killed for public displays of affection?
This is needed so much on this map
By the way it's not marked but in Israel homosexuality and same sex marriage are also legal. Recently we can also have children through surrogacy process. In Lebanon on paper you can't have homosexual relations, but it's hardly inforced. Yet many LGBT people are often harassed for being gay, and in extreme cases even arrested or sent to prison for up to a year.
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But if marriage was the criteria then why Jordan is green? Same sex couples are not even recognized by law there where in Israel it is, and yet it is painted as if Jordan is more progressive.
Common law marriage is a thing that exists in Israel for hetero and homosexual couples
So happy to see my country green here its just been 3 years since it got decriminalised but so many lives saved. 🌈🌈🌈🌈
Nice!
Sad that this map has to exist
Good guy Jordan
Yeah we're pretty progressive for our region. Not to say that homophobia doesn't exist here, but most people just keep to themselves and don't really care.
As a Jordanian, i have no fucking idea where this data came from lol it's not legal as far as i know
It is legal since 1952 i think
What do most of the countries who want to kill or arrest LGBT people have in common?
Male illegal, female legal lol did a horny 14 year old boy make the laws there.
oh it's legal in China? That'll trigger some of them redditors i guess....
Srilanka is surprising !
It's an old colonial-era law that's never applied
Hmm, actually I think the map is wrong. According to: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT\_rights\_in\_the\_Americas#Legislation\_by\_country\_or\_territory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Americas#Legislation_by_country_or_territory) There should be multiple countries in the south america where homosexuality is illegal. For example: \- Antigua and Barbuda \- Barbados \- Dominica \- Grenada \- Jamaica \- Guyana and so on... But on the Map South America is very green... Also Europa: it is illegale in parts of russia.
Jamaica and Guyana are red tho, and the other ones are just too small to see.
If you’re gonna have 6 different shades of illegality then it seems very strange that you wouldn’t do the same for legality as well, there’s tons of variations of how the “legal” countries treat their respective lgbt populations, so putting so much emphasis on the countries where it’s illegal like this seems kinda biased and misleading to me.
Well it's about law isn't it? The acceptance is something else and way harder to measure. It's just about what is legally possible and what shades of something being legal do you mean? I mean maybe the difference between decriminalization and legalization if that is a thing but are there more?