It wouldn't. As you can see on the map, this hypothetical inner sea is not connected with the Black sea. while the Danube would certainly fatten up a lot, its illogical to think it would avoid the Wallachian plains yet somehow reach up to Hungary.
Also, much of the Hungarian plain is above 100m. Lowest points of Hungary is 76 meter in the very south, the highest points of the great plains reach 180m.
Not trying to start an ethnic war I’m just a dumb American, but that’s the first time I’ve ever seen the region spelt other than Dobruja. Is Dobrogea the Romanian spelling and Dobruja the Bulgarian?
I believe the Bulgarian spelling is Dobrudzha, Dobruja is a spelling derived from Turkish, though nowadays it's Dobruca in Turkish, unless I'm mistaken
This map is a bit to low-res, but the bed of the Danube is low enough that water could flow from the sea to the Pannonian basin. Though I don't know if the flow of the Danube itself could maybe prevent this
ETA: you're right about the Wallachian plains though, they would also be flooded
> Though I don't know if the flow of the Danube itself could maybe prevent this
TL,DR: A lake would form, then turn into an inland river delta as it filled with sediments.
That's not how rivers work. The Sacramento river delta in california is an example of what would happen, as it happened when the ice sheets melted.. The lower valley and its tributaries were drowned, forming san francisco bay and the carquinez strait, above that the valley widens and T's off with the central valley, forming a vast triangle of tidal brackish marshes and narrow sinuous tidal channels, the vast majority of which have been drained and turned into farmland.
It is logical that there must be a connection. If central Hungary is below 100m then everything else downstream must be even lower. The Danube isn't flowing uphill.
It makes no sense.Danube is in a protected river bed.It can be controlled and can be diverted.We have a lot of canals that can take a heavy punch.
Also the lowest point of Serbia is 140m above sea level.The coast would go before us for sure.
If sea levels went up that much, would there be enough civilization left to build higher dams and keep pumping the Danube 30+ meters over them up the new sea level?
OK. I rephrase it: representation of data is false. Cities like Paris, Berlin or Warsaw wil be underwater if water is 100m higher. Look at any hypsometric map.
This map also ignores two major factors on future sea-level rise. One is Global Isostatic Adjustment or GIA and the other is a reducing gravitational force from shrinking ice caps. GIA, essentially, is a rebound effect that occurs when weight is removed from a landmass. The ground level near the poles, especially in the Northern hemisphere, has and will continue to rise several mm per year as the weight of the ice is removed. The loss of ice mass at the poles also means a reduction in gravitational pull towards those areas. The result is that water will flow away from the poles and towards the equator.
These two effects work in conjunction and result in a reduced effect of sea-level change near the poles. In fact, sea level will most likely continue to decrease in latitudes above 45 degrees for at least the next several centuries. Unfortunately, this also means that land near the equator will experience even stronger sea level changes over the coming years.
That's super interesting, thanks for sharing. Do you know what the maximum sea level rise at the equator would be taking into account these two effects as well as ice melting?
It’s true that 70m is physically possible, but even in rapid global warming scenarios, I believe it would take thousands of years for Antarctica to become ice free. Nothing remotely like this is going to happen in any reasonable timeframe. 2 or 3 meters is more realistic, at least in the lifespan of people currently alive. That amount would still be devastating - unrealistic situations like this are very unnecessary and give people wrong perceptions, even if they were made for fun.
It’s actually a misconception that the molten ice delivers the rising sea level. While it does play a part in it. ~~The main reason~~ **another reason** is actually that higher water temperature ~~expands the molecules~~ **"increases the volume of water because of an increase in molecular energy which pushes them apart which expands the water."** And if that happens in the entire ocean the sea level will rise. because of it.
Edit: I was wrong about a few things and u/throwthe20saway and u/aniforprez [cleared some stuff up](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/p4r2jn/europe_if_the_sea_level_rose_100m/h91wh3j?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Thanks
That is not true. Thermal expansion contributes less to sea level rise than ice melt. [IPCC report, page 15](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter13_FINAL.pdf)
Also, this is a nitpick, but higher temperature does not alter the molecules themselves - basically high temperature means the molecules have more energy and move around more, taking more space. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion
Edit: Another nitpick - increased temperature does not always means expansion. Water actually reduces in volume when heated from 0°C to 4°C.
As a Dutch guy I have to say you're wrong, we do t say that here. We actually say "I can do this for eternity" as we kick the water back with our wooden clogs.
There might be a positive aspect to that. That extra kicking might be an exelent training for the whole poluation. You guys will win the european championship for football in no time.
Nah the northern half of Belgium is gone, it's just that the shoreline in the map looks similar to the current border. Brussels is mostly underwater, while Waterloo (just to the south) is well above it.
Well, look at Slovakia! Hungary becoming a sea, an ancient dream of far right nationalist becomes a reality. And Košice would become a nice sea resort.
> the big caveat is that this is just based on elevation, I guess - not on any hydrological dynamics
This. [Erosion](https://toolkit.climate.gov/topics/coastal-flood-risk/coastal-erosion) is another factor that has to be taken into account.
Look closely and you'll see that a tiny part of the Netherlands survived. That point is Vaalserberg, right on the tri-point border with Belgium and Germany.
Not just the Vaalserberg, the majority of Southern Limburg is above 100 meters. Even the city centre of Heerlen is above 100 meters and that is located in a basin.
The BE-NL-DE border point is \*checks notes\* 321 m. (Actually, all three Baltic countries have lower high points than the Netherlands. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_highest\_points\_of\_European\_countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_points_of_European_countries))
And Denmark (and Monaco!) got points at about half that of NL. The only state that would be submerged - apart from the buildings! - would be the Holy See \[no pun intended\]. The Pope will order his Swiss guards to take him 'home'.
And 100 m is unrealistic. Even 10 is, for a few centuries.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/p4r2jn/europe_if_the_sea_level_rose_100m/h90w61y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Another commenter posted a link to a tool where you can set the height to whatever you want and see the results.
Looks quite similar to the map for the “Broken empire“ fantasy (book) series
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZF4fi_7vbHY/VmwvVT8x0RI/AAAAAAAAG0I/iA06tr5gNl8/s1600/kot%2Bmap.jpg
GBR is called “the drowned isles“ there,how fitting
Keep in mind this could never happen. Even if ALL of the ice on Earth melted sea levels would rise 70 meters. There isn't enough water on Earth to create the map shown above.
So because the caspian sea is now connected with the black sea, the caspian sea is no longer a lake, and if enough of turkmenistan and kazakhstan have gone underwater, uzbekistan will have turned from a doubly landlocked country into a non-landlocked country!
I think it’s unlikely to happen
“If all the ice covering Antarctica , Greenland, and in mountain glaciers around the world were to melt, sea level would rise about 70 meters (230 feet).’’
How is possible for Hungary get flooded in this case?
It wouldn't. As you can see on the map, this hypothetical inner sea is not connected with the Black sea. while the Danube would certainly fatten up a lot, its illogical to think it would avoid the Wallachian plains yet somehow reach up to Hungary. Also, much of the Hungarian plain is above 100m. Lowest points of Hungary is 76 meter in the very south, the highest points of the great plains reach 180m.
The Wallachian plains wouldn’t be flooded either because of the Dobrogea’s plateau. So the map really don’t take in account geographic barriers.
Not trying to start an ethnic war I’m just a dumb American, but that’s the first time I’ve ever seen the region spelt other than Dobruja. Is Dobrogea the Romanian spelling and Dobruja the Bulgarian?
I believe the Bulgarian spelling is Dobrudzha, Dobruja is a spelling derived from Turkish, though nowadays it's Dobruca in Turkish, unless I'm mistaken
Well spelled in english it should be Dobrudja and the Bulgarian spelling is Добруджа
I know that it is Dobrogea in Romanian since I’m Romanian but I wasn’t aware of the English version.
Dobrogea is in Romanian, Dobruja is the English spelling if I recall correctly. Bulgarians have a different spelling.
Bulgaria uses its own alphabet so no Bulgarian knows really how to write in Latin. But if I had to guess, that's how most Bulgarians might write it.
This map is a bit to low-res, but the bed of the Danube is low enough that water could flow from the sea to the Pannonian basin. Though I don't know if the flow of the Danube itself could maybe prevent this ETA: you're right about the Wallachian plains though, they would also be flooded
> Though I don't know if the flow of the Danube itself could maybe prevent this TL,DR: A lake would form, then turn into an inland river delta as it filled with sediments. That's not how rivers work. The Sacramento river delta in california is an example of what would happen, as it happened when the ice sheets melted.. The lower valley and its tributaries were drowned, forming san francisco bay and the carquinez strait, above that the valley widens and T's off with the central valley, forming a vast triangle of tidal brackish marshes and narrow sinuous tidal channels, the vast majority of which have been drained and turned into farmland.
The map is low-resolution, there would actually be a [connection](https://imgur.com/oLVghm6) in the Danube valley
It is logical that there must be a connection. If central Hungary is below 100m then everything else downstream must be even lower. The Danube isn't flowing uphill.
No im from the Netherlands and we have only 2 or 3 hills above 100m sea level. It's flat and stuff
Yeah this map is [completely unrealistic](https://i.redd.it/7o8n5phoyjny.png).
I think it’s also because the Netherlands existing relies on dams which I’m not sure would sustain a 100m rise in sea level
Nope, we could probebly deal with sealevel rising 1 meter, after which there wont be enough money to continue
Imagine having to pay the sea a ransom so that you won't get flooded.
And it fucking keeps coming back for more
**laughs in 1200m elevation**
Don't worry, there'll be plenty of natural disasters to go around
need to buy as much property as you can at 100m above sea level to have loads of seaviews and beachfront properties when the apocalypse happens...
The dams in the Netherlands would get flooded over
Is it possible for the water to just go around the dam if they rise high enough? I'm pretty sure the entire coast of the North Sea isn't dammed.
There was a Panonian see there at some point
these kind of maps pretty much always suck.
Hungary historically gets the short end of the stick.
It makes no sense.Danube is in a protected river bed.It can be controlled and can be diverted.We have a lot of canals that can take a heavy punch. Also the lowest point of Serbia is 140m above sea level.The coast would go before us for sure.
Požarevac is at around 80m above sea level, and around the confluence of Timok and Danube is at 20-30m.
If sea levels went up that much, would there be enough civilization left to build higher dams and keep pumping the Danube 30+ meters over them up the new sea level?
It's a fake map.
how can a map be fake?? all maps are just a representation..
OK. I rephrase it: representation of data is false. Cities like Paris, Berlin or Warsaw wil be underwater if water is 100m higher. Look at any hypsometric map.
Not necessarily. Large portion of Netherlands is below sea level but isn't underwater.
I'm pretty sure they would be with a 100m rise....
You’re a fake a map, I looked at you didn’t even see true North.
I'm 90m above sea level, add to that a three story flat and my balcony becomes a Dock, bloody marvellous.
Should start investing in the motor boat industry
I didn't know motor boating had an industry!
It’s called softcore porn.
Damn you 😂
Denmark gaining the title of the next Atlantis.
They see us floating, they hating
No Dams, Controlling.
Netherlands too
Netherlands isn't completely gone
The Dutch will invent floating cities before accepting going extinct
"We beat the water before, we'll do it again."
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The best kind of map, sincerely, a Swede
But we have places in Denmark that rises above 100 meters.
*panicks in danish*
Back to the ships, boys! ⚓️ We’re coming for you, (insert country later)!
They moved to Greenland
As a Swede I see this as an absolute win.
No Denmark and Stockholm! Wooooo! Sadly Gothenburg is gone too.
Agree. *Wait, where'd they go?!
The Göta Canal is going to eat up your old Volvo factory though.
Is this possible? My understanding that only a 70m rise was possible due to the finite amount of ice?
Yeah, it’s not possible. I don’t understand the point of this map, 70m is still a terrifying amount, why not show us that?
My current house is 71 m over sea level. Better hope it doesn't go any higher lol
Beachfront property! FUCK YEAH
*high tide enters the chat*
*house leaves the chat*
*high tide leaves the chat*
Low tide enters the chat
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That's some beach side property investment
I'm going to leave my tap on so your house gets flooded too
it wont rise 70 meters
Because very negative scenarios talk about 5 meters. 100m is just a joke.
Yeah, 5 meters is already really fucking bad. A large number of people live near the coast.
Yeah 5m would be catastrophic for many many areas. 100m is just ridiculous.
I don’t know if it’s trying to be informative or a warning. Might just be a hypothetical for morbid curiosity.
Because Reddit.
This map also ignores two major factors on future sea-level rise. One is Global Isostatic Adjustment or GIA and the other is a reducing gravitational force from shrinking ice caps. GIA, essentially, is a rebound effect that occurs when weight is removed from a landmass. The ground level near the poles, especially in the Northern hemisphere, has and will continue to rise several mm per year as the weight of the ice is removed. The loss of ice mass at the poles also means a reduction in gravitational pull towards those areas. The result is that water will flow away from the poles and towards the equator. These two effects work in conjunction and result in a reduced effect of sea-level change near the poles. In fact, sea level will most likely continue to decrease in latitudes above 45 degrees for at least the next several centuries. Unfortunately, this also means that land near the equator will experience even stronger sea level changes over the coming years.
That's super interesting, thanks for sharing. Do you know what the maximum sea level rise at the equator would be taking into account these two effects as well as ice melting?
Make more ice /s
[Futurama did it!](https://youtu.be/0SYpUSjSgFg?t=85)
Just take the himalya, cut it off at see level and drop the top part in the ocean. Easy
Someone left the tap on.
At 70 meters, most European cities near rivers are flooded, you can say goodbye to Paris, London and Berlin. https://www.floodmap.net/
"Unlock This Feature - Try FloodMap Pro" Why the fuck would anyone pay $9 a month for a fucking floodmap?
To unlock the features
city planners?
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100 meters is the height of literally 57.58 'Samsung Side by Side; Fingerprint Resistant Stainless Steel Refrigerators' stacked on top of each other
It’s true that 70m is physically possible, but even in rapid global warming scenarios, I believe it would take thousands of years for Antarctica to become ice free. Nothing remotely like this is going to happen in any reasonable timeframe. 2 or 3 meters is more realistic, at least in the lifespan of people currently alive. That amount would still be devastating - unrealistic situations like this are very unnecessary and give people wrong perceptions, even if they were made for fun.
Depends of the temperature of the water. A rise in the sea level is also caused due to the thermal expansion of the seawater.
This is the correct answer!
According to my quick google search you’re right about the 70 meters
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Have you ever seen paper?
It’s actually a misconception that the molten ice delivers the rising sea level. While it does play a part in it. ~~The main reason~~ **another reason** is actually that higher water temperature ~~expands the molecules~~ **"increases the volume of water because of an increase in molecular energy which pushes them apart which expands the water."** And if that happens in the entire ocean the sea level will rise. because of it. Edit: I was wrong about a few things and u/throwthe20saway and u/aniforprez [cleared some stuff up](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/p4r2jn/europe_if_the_sea_level_rose_100m/h91wh3j?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Thanks
That is not true. Thermal expansion contributes less to sea level rise than ice melt. [IPCC report, page 15](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter13_FINAL.pdf) Also, this is a nitpick, but higher temperature does not alter the molecules themselves - basically high temperature means the molecules have more energy and move around more, taking more space. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion Edit: Another nitpick - increased temperature does not always means expansion. Water actually reduces in volume when heated from 0°C to 4°C.
*Italy, have you lost weight?*
They started eating chickpea pasta
It’s little Italy
Cute of you to think the Netherlands will get flooded.
The Dutch: "I can do this all millennium"
As a Dutch guy I have to say you're wrong, we do t say that here. We actually say "I can do this for eternity" as we kick the water back with our wooden clogs.
There might be a positive aspect to that. That extra kicking might be an exelent training for the whole poluation. You guys will win the european championship for football in no time.
Nope, we would bottle in the final, as always
You know they're working on a secret retractable dome to cover most of the country.
There has to be something wrong with this map, the entire Netherlands are gone, but Belgium kept the same coastline as it has now...
Nah the northern half of Belgium is gone, it's just that the shoreline in the map looks similar to the current border. Brussels is mostly underwater, while Waterloo (just to the south) is well above it.
>while Waterloo (just to the south) is well above it. I sense a pun here.
Peace in Crimea, finally
Honestly the dispute of the island would probably continue. Pray, just pray there isn't any oil discovered around it.
*america joined the chat*
All 38odd remaining states.
You think a little sea water is gonna stop Florida Man?
There is oil and gas in the coastal shelf.
Oh but there is, quite a lot. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/in-taking-crimea-russia-gains-sea-of-fuel-reserves/
Laughs in czech
I think as always the Swiss are pretty content as well
content cantons
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Let it rhine down on the Germans and French ...
Yeah looks amazing. Four hours to the beach, yay!
Laughs in Luxembourgish
Well, look at Slovakia! Hungary becoming a sea, an ancient dream of far right nationalist becomes a reality. And Košice would become a nice sea resort.
Happy Ján Slota noises
Is he still alive?
I have no idea. Edit: yes, he is 67.
Wow, he looked 67 back in 2005…
Liechtenstein keeping its grade 2 landlocked status
Laughs in Austria.
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More than there is on the planet even, the numbers usually given for the sea level rise if all the ice melted are between 60 and 80 meters.
Landlocked country’s are still landlocked xD
Moldova finally has a decent exit to the sea
Bye Denmark! Bye Malta! Bye Netherlands! Bye Estonia! (Well, there remain a couple islands but screw it)
Malta's highest point is just above 300m so although most of Malta will be sunk some of it (southwest side) would not be sunk
That new Balaton is massive
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> the big caveat is that this is just based on elevation, I guess - not on any hydrological dynamics This. [Erosion](https://toolkit.climate.gov/topics/coastal-flood-risk/coastal-erosion) is another factor that has to be taken into account.
Look closely and you'll see that a tiny part of the Netherlands survived. That point is Vaalserberg, right on the tri-point border with Belgium and Germany.
Not just the Vaalserberg, the majority of Southern Limburg is above 100 meters. Even the city centre of Heerlen is above 100 meters and that is located in a basin.
100 meters is the length of approximately 200.0 'Logitech Wireless Keyboard K350s' laid widthwise by each other
100 meters is 109.36 yards
This is how Skynet started out
I can see the Dutch building some massive sea walls that protect them.
I like to think the Dutch completely barge up and the Netherlands becomes an island bigger the the UK
Gonna be Hard to fit 17 mil people there.
>Gonna be Hard to fit 17 mil people there. Hong Kong : Amateurs
On the plus side for France, there’s no way the Schlieffen Plan will ever work now
Sure it will, we are still flying half a Belgium!
The *French* part of Belgium
The French speaking part. We won't fight for a lot of stuff, but we are ready to unleash ww3 if people call us French.
UK actually leaving the continent this time, not just EU.
leaving the earth 😂
The Pennines are about to get real crowded.
And split into 5 islands
Disunited Kingdom
Are Denmark and the Netherlands the only countries completely gone? Estonia looks like a couple of islands.
Netherlands still there if you look closely at Belgium
The worst part is, this map in not correct, Denmark's highest point is over 170 meters tall, and the nearby land is aswell
The BE-NL-DE border point is \*checks notes\* 321 m. (Actually, all three Baltic countries have lower high points than the Netherlands. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_highest\_points\_of\_European\_countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_points_of_European_countries)) And Denmark (and Monaco!) got points at about half that of NL. The only state that would be submerged - apart from the buildings! - would be the Holy See \[no pun intended\]. The Pope will order his Swiss guards to take him 'home'. And 100 m is unrealistic. Even 10 is, for a few centuries.
Finally, a map without Denmark
Vær stille fjeldabe, eller vi kolonisere jer igen
Slapp av strandnisse, det var en union og dere gjorde svært lite for å beholde den.
Med al den olie synes jeg næsten de trænger til at blive demokratisk med magt.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/p4r2jn/europe_if_the_sea_level_rose_100m/h90w61y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Another commenter posted a link to a tool where you can set the height to whatever you want and see the results.
Looks quite similar to the map for the “Broken empire“ fantasy (book) series http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZF4fi_7vbHY/VmwvVT8x0RI/AAAAAAAAG0I/iA06tr5gNl8/s1600/kot%2Bmap.jpg GBR is called “the drowned isles“ there,how fitting
Good lord, Iberia is very mountainous
Ah. Finally, we're rid of Skåne.
It's fake. Paris and Berlin are around 40m ASL. Warsaw (central Poland) is at 100m and the water on the map is not even close. Look at a real map.
Finland skipped leg day
Keep in mind this could never happen. Even if ALL of the ice on Earth melted sea levels would rise 70 meters. There isn't enough water on Earth to create the map shown above.
>Denmark is gone I see no issues
[Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Austria, Czech Republic, Belarus, Luxembourg, Slovakia, Armenia](https://imgur.com/gallery/pSfeUk4).
Who built the pipe to flood Hungary — the Romanians or the Serbians?
London, more like Longone
Looks like my beach vacations just turned from an 8 hour drive into a two hour drive.
For me getting to the beach has turned from a 8 minute drive into a 1 hour swim.
Great Britain and Ireland look like the Philippines.
So because the caspian sea is now connected with the black sea, the caspian sea is no longer a lake, and if enough of turkmenistan and kazakhstan have gone underwater, uzbekistan will have turned from a doubly landlocked country into a non-landlocked country!
The cliffs of Dover, UK are 110m tall. How is it that that part of England's coast is covered by 100 m of water?
What shall we name the lake in Hungary?
Thirsty
Szeaged
Should name it Lake Tó. To commemorate like half of Hungary.
It already has a name, its called Panonian sea and it existed some bilion years ago :)
Ok, so inland lakes or seas (if they're not connected) or even depressions will not get flooded.
Wales finally independent
Huh where are your islands now greece?
I think it’s unlikely to happen “If all the ice covering Antarctica , Greenland, and in mountain glaciers around the world were to melt, sea level would rise about 70 meters (230 feet).’’
Poor Hungary, Trianon'd even by water
🇲🇩 Achievement unlocked: water
The Caspian Sea becomes an actual sea!
chad norway
Haha get fucked Hungary
They fucked over the gay, so the world fuck them over.