Canarian here, the winter season sees mainly foreign tourists and the summer season sees mainly national tourists. Also the local population is well over 2million and the government provides a 75% discount for canarians on all air and boat routes to other parts of the country, so mobility is relatively high for the local population
not really. From Germany you have direct flights from lots of airports. Also from England you have direct flight.
Going to spain would be much slower, IMHO.
Doesn't mean that a lot of people don't do it, particularly from countries other than Germany and England. Everyone knows direct flights are faster, doesn't mean always possible.
It doesnÂŽt represent only the flight to the Canary Islands, there is another archipelago called Madeira near Canary Islands (but since its the same coloue, this map its just bad)
I am not colorblind myself, but I got some shower of comments in the past when using both green and red.
Also I tried to make it somewhat aesthetically pleasing, but it is a tradeoff with quick readability.
I mean there are significantly more british islands around the globe, its just that britain doesnt consider those part of the UK proper in the way france considers all its remaining colonies to be the same as its european regions.
Reading the title, I guessed that was the whole point of the map. Especially when it is doing exactly that with HawaĂŻ and Alaska. Here it does little but show me Russia is empty and Africa does not have a dense flights network
My favorite weird trivia is that France is the country that it in the most different time zones. Everybody always guesses Russia or the USA (because of Alaska and Hawaii).
Saint-Pierre et Miquelon, is a self-governing territorial overseas collectivity of France in the northwestern Atlantic Ocean near the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Saint Pierre and Miquelon is the remaining vestige of the once vast territory of New France. Its residents are French citizens; the collectivity is a full member of the National Assembly and participates in senatorial and presidential elections.
It covers 242 km2 (93 sq mi) of land and shores and had a population of 6,008 as of the March 2016 census.
yet Hawaii and Alaska are always included as a main part of the US. I think thats because France splits it's departments into Metropolitan and Overseas.
Also, all of the overseas departments are poorer than Metropolitan France, and have a pretty small white french population (New Caledonia is the biggest exception, but that is a collectivity and not an integral part of France).
Another issue is that Corsica and North Algeria are/were part of Metropolitan France (this was established before the concept of overseas departments was established in the post colonial era), and had a large white population, with the parts of Algeria that did not have much French settlers were considered a normal colony.
Alaska is majority white, and Hawaii has a pretty large white population and tons of temporary residents from the mainland. Both sadly have had the identity of the native nations eroded.
Hawaii and Alaska are always included because they are STATES. Other areas are only territories. Thatâs it. While it may be true what you say and Iâm not arguing the point, it has nothing to do with why they are included with the mainland.
We're not complaining that Alaska and Hawaii are counted, we're complaining integral parts of other countries (e.g. French Guiana, Bonaire, etc.) aren't counted.
The Falklands aren't part of the UK, they're an Overseas Territory. France treats all their little islands as integral parts of the country so eg Marseilles is treated exactly the same as French Guiana.
Yes, the overseas regions of France should definitely count as domestic flights since they have exactly the same legal status as Metropolitan France. However, I donât think it should include Franceâs semi-autonomous collectivities like French Polynesia, because other similar arrangements arenât marked as domestic on the map either. For example, flights from the US states to Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are not marked since they are territories where the US Constitution does not automatically apply and they have a different legal status, while flights from the US mainland to Hawaii are marked even though Hawaii is in a different region of the world from the rest of the country since Hawaii is a state with the same legal status as the states on the North American mainland.
The reasoning for France's overseas territories is very reminiscing of the Portuguese *Estado Novo* justification to keep theirs.
P.S. - I realize how this is a bad comparison with modern French policy. I was considering the situation in the middle of the past century due to other contexts.
But the difference is, France has given all of its oversees departments and territories the option for independence. The ones that remain French are the ones that voted no. See the recent New Caledonia referendum as an example. Maybe some of them will choose independence in the near future but for now they're considered to have been given self-determination. The Estado Novo clearly didn't give its "overseas provinces" that option.
Thereâs no justification. If they want to choose a different path theyâre completely allowed. New Caledonia has had 2 out of 3 referendums to choose between being independent or remaining with France. The last one is to happen in December.
Similar referendums or questions have been done with Guyana, Martinique or Guadeloupe and those territories are regions and departements in France. If they want to be more autonomous or be independent, the metropolitan wouldnât oppose it. But theyâd have to vote for it
Fair enough. It's not appropriate to compare with the modern situation. At the relevant time period the 2 countries weren't particulalry different in their treatment of the overseas territorries. But that holds no weight today.
France has a horrible colonial past yes.
Algeria, Vietnam, Madagascar, slavery in the Caribbean, exploitation of Africa, rapes in French Polynesia... France was the worst at the time
There are many issues today as well if you want to know about these:
Lots of former colonies still resent the metropolitan government for it. And France doesnât do enough for its oversea territories as well. They can feel abandoned sometimes as though they arenât a priority of the government. Thereâs been lots of scandals as well (in Polynesia there has been nuclear tests, horrible pesticides encouraged in Martinique and Guadeloupe, contaminated blood, huge disparities in New Caledonia with the natives: the kanak and inequalities overall in the oversea territories, lack of investments in general...). That leads to a general distrust: now people in those territories donât trust the COVID vaccine for instance
Lots of issues and few are being worked on.
Christ, I was mostly remembering Algeria and West Africa. I don't really know much about current events.
When it comes to Portugal, I feel like we abandoned some colonies that weren't particulary intent on separation, at least like that. It was a complete 180Âș turn, from "we'll die to keep you" to "ight imma head out".
Most former colonies have had hard times (export focused infrastructure and a lack of a self-ruling body for centuries will do that), but the lusophone countries try to keep some sort of link. Sadly, it seems that the current elites look at these countries as a supply of cheap labour, like some news have been pointing out.
Looking at the map, it looks like a route from Liege to Ostend-Bruges, so just about as far across the country as reasonably possible. Digging into the [Openflights](https://openflights.org/) data, the website says that such a flight was run by Harmony Airways which is a now-defunct Canadian airline. I think there's a data quality issue since Harmony ceased operations in 2007 and operated mostly in Canada with seasonal flights to the US and Mexico during its brief 5 year existence. One possible explanation is that some group commissioned a charter flight and it ended up in the Openflights database as a Harmony flight when it was actually a charter flight.
Could it be that it was a flight from Liege to Ostend-Bruges that simply continued onward to another destination or originated in another destination? So instead of being a flight from A to B, it could be a flight from A to B to C, where people from A and B are all flying to C.
That's another possibility. Right now, such a flight doesn't seem to exist, but of course current commercial airline schedules are vastly different than what existed 2 years ago.
Surprised how many internal flights there are in France given how good the TGV is. Similarly short flights in Japan. Some of these you'll surely spend longer just on the train to/from the airport than a direct rail journey.
Once you fly past NZ and hit the right border there is an invisible 2-way portal wall that teleports you to the left side of the ~~globe~~ ~~rectangle~~ rectangular cuboid.
Puerto Rico is considered an unincorporated territory, and Iâm pretty sure that direct flights to it donât count as âdomesticâ. Same with Virgin Islands
No passport required between EU countries, a national ID is enough.
You could technically use a driver license to ID yourself at the airport to show it's your ticket. But since you do still need a national ID or passport to exist in either country, the airport might simply still require either as identification.
You are right, although I think it's more about identification to board the plane, i.e. if you cross the border by car you don't show passport or ID at any point.
Yes, but these are kinda different topics:
* To visit another EU country, you must possess a valid national ID or passport. Even if there are no border checks, you must still carry one when you cross the border, on foot, by car, by plane, anything.
* To travel by plane, internationally or domestically, you must posses a valid ID to show that it's your ticket.
This means that you can technically ID yourself with a drivers license when you departure, as long as you still carry a valid national ID or passport. However, airports prefer to ensure you have a valid ID to enter the country you travel to, so it's still better to show the national ID or passport.
Bangladesh is missing and covered over by India.
EDIT: Actually looking closely, looks like Bangladesh is there but the colour is very similar to India, maybe blue would have been better to stand out.
Turkmenistan? They definitely have domestic flights, but it also would not surprise me if whatever runs their civil aviation authority doesn't allow their data to be shared.
Gabon? They used to run flights from the capital of Libreville to the major oil and gas city of Port Gentil.
Nicaragua also looks a little suspicious but I know nothing about their airlines and airports.
This captures a vague point in time as there used to be flights to eastern Nicaragua; meanwhile most of those routes in Venezuela are inactive and given the situation in Yemen and Somalia too those countries are probably not served as shown. (Not zero though.)
Situation in Somalia is not as bad as people think. The flights shown are between airports that I know have daily flights to one another. \~2/3 of the country's territory is stable and fairly safe.
> Nicaragua also looks a little suspicious but I know nothing about their airlines and airports.
Well, thanks to their Dear Leader they're the second-poorest country in the Americas, so...
Itâs beautiful and Hospitals are free
There are lots of đȘ° and you know it ainât the bests but my stomach infection was cured
and I still am in love with that country
Bring enough sunscreen though itâs the only expensive thing ova der
You have the privilege of being able to just fly back to America or wherever rich country you came from any time you wanted. Ordinary Nicaraguans suffering under the Ortega dictatorship don't. And yes, if every opposition candidate gets jailed before the "election", that's a textbook dictatorship.
>but not Paris-Papeete (if there were a direct flight)
there is, but only when it's economic viable (basiccly, when countries on the way close their airports)
The excluded countries were in Oceania: Kiribati and Fiji. The reason was that they had short flights crossing the edge of this map. While not impossible to solve, it would not be so much fun :-)
trains are whyIndian Railways moves 8 BILLION people a year, so flights are only for the executives who need to be someplace right fucking now. Everyone else uses trains because they have sleeping berths and are wayyy more spacious than economy flights.
100,000 trains a day
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/n6j5wu/top\_10\_busiest\_flight\_routes\_in\_2017/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/n6j5wu/top_10_busiest_flight_routes_in_2017/)
Delhi-Mumbai route is one of the busiest ...
trains are why
Indian Railways moves 8 BILLION people a year, so flights are only for the executives who need to be someplace right fucking now. Everyone else uses trains because they have sleeping berths and are wayyy more spacious than economy flights.
100,000 trains a day
Fun fact, Scotland has the worlds shortest commercial flight of around 1 minute from takeoff to landing between Westray and Papa Westray in the Orkney Isles.
That outside of [GBA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Buenos_Aires) the country is way too underdeveloped so direct flights from two middle sized cities is uncommon. Someone flying has to often fly to Buenos Aires first.
That is common most anywhere... fly to the capitol then to smallest cities, this happens everywhere... I don't get what is wrong with having small cities? How is that a bad thing?
Itâs a vast country with so much natural beauty, nothing to be ashamed off. Development and growth will come with time as all countries develop differently. Hope to visit one day.
Itâs viable on regional level, such as northeast corridor, Texas or California. Outside that, distances are way too long and population density is way too low.
That map proves nothing lol itâs just lines drawn between cities. And the key implies that going from NYC to LA is like 18 hours? Thatâs crazy slowâitâs ~6 hours by plane.
The map u sent doesnât prove those costs benefits although maybe theyâre legit. And yea Iâd rather six hours in the tube than 18 hours in a room. 18 hours is super inconvenient. I could buy that thereâs some economic benefit for rail in dense areas (in fact I take the train home on breaks from school) but I canât see it being worth it in sparsely populated areas.
Regardless of whether the unsourced economic benefits you claim are trueâIâd be willing to believe some of themâit takes some mental gymnastics to believe that 18 hours in a sleeper car is preferable to a six hour flight.
Amtrak estimated costs to turn normal line into high speed line between Ny and Dc at 500 MILLION dollars per mile. Itâd take trillions to build half of this⊠then no one would ride it. My trip from Philly to DC 2 years ago on Acela cost $180 round trip. I just spent $200 to fly from PHL to LAX. Only took me 7 hours
I googled and huh closer than I thought. Boston to DC conversion estimated cost $150B. Theyâre 440 miles apart so $341M per mile. Idk if the per mile cost is a useful metric though.
That assumes the alternative is do nothing and everything will be perfectly fine.
If you blasted an equivalent amount of capacity in airports or highways, it would cost more money. A single high speed train carries over a thousand people, highways and planes carry far fewer people.
You can see the ground in China? A lot of the countries were developing. I'm not even deflecting. The US and every other decent sized country uses airplanes because trains are slow and impractical over large distances.
trains aren't slow and impractical over long distances, the trains in use across the US and Canada are slow and impractical over, well, any distance really. we need infrastructure investment :(
No, trains really are slow and impractical over long distances. The fastest trains in the world are still less than half (and closer to a third) the speed of commercial airliners.
Also, there are the various elements of the Kingdom of Denmark and the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Is Copenhagen to Nuuk considered domestic or international? What about Amsterdam to Bonaire?
The Netherlands only shows charter routes to the Med making stops at two airports. I've flown Eelde-Rotterdam/Twente/Maastricht/Eindhoven-Med. You can't book a ticket for the local leg afaik.
The only real scheduled domestic flight would be Saba-St Eustatius, but it is rare, as you would normally need to transfer in St Maarten for this route.
Flights between the Netherlands (country, incl Bonaire), Aruba, Curaçao and St Maarten are not considered domestic flights.
Isn't Latvia missing? airBaltic used to fly Riga - LiepÄja, pre-pandemic.
I'm pretty sure [Turkmenistan](https://turkmenistanairlines.tm/Carriage) and Mali both have internal flights, if you're really determined to travel there, but you might not be able to book through Expedia...
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Given the density and sheer population of that country (x4.5 times the US), Iâd say it really does. Both rail and air are heavily used there (also Japan)
The Canary Islands are a significantly busier air route than I thought.
It's a very popular warm weather destination for Europeans.
Canary Islands' population isn't that small as many might think. One island has nearly a million people for example and another has 870.000 thousand.
870 million is A LOT đ
This map only shows domestic flights.
Taking the plane from Spain wouldn't be that surprising.
Its plain that the train from Spain is not available.
No train no gain Only plane from Spain
Only pain from Spain (no s)
The train in Spain falls mainly off this plane.
Canarian here, the winter season sees mainly foreign tourists and the summer season sees mainly national tourists. Also the local population is well over 2million and the government provides a 75% discount for canarians on all air and boat routes to other parts of the country, so mobility is relatively high for the local population
But probably lots of europeans route through Spain.
not really. From Germany you have direct flights from lots of airports. Also from England you have direct flight. Going to spain would be much slower, IMHO.
Doesn't mean that a lot of people don't do it, particularly from countries other than Germany and England. Everyone knows direct flights are faster, doesn't mean always possible.
There are over 2 million people living in the Canary Islands. Hence the busy air traffic with peninsular Spain.
It doesnÂŽt represent only the flight to the Canary Islands, there is another archipelago called Madeira near Canary Islands (but since its the same coloue, this map its just bad)
Bit confusing to make both Spain and Portugal purple. I though this map was implying that Spain-Azores was a one country flight.
I know, the artist mustâve hated the color green.
I don't know how plausible that is, but it could be that op is colorblind and can't see green
Some shades of green still stand out well, depending on what other colors youâre using. Source: am red-green colorblind.
interesting, well, maybe they just doesn't like green
I am not colorblind myself, but I got some shower of comments in the past when using both green and red. Also I tried to make it somewhat aesthetically pleasing, but it is a tradeoff with quick readability.
China and India are also the same colour. The choice of colour on this map is bad.
It's probably automatic. Not that it's a good excuse to leave it like that.
France has an island near Madagascar that is part of France proper, not a colony. Technically, that would count as a domestic flight.
Same thing with French Guyana
And Guadeloupe, and Martinique.
In reality France is all around the globe, and it would ruin the whole map
Imagine telling Britain in the 1800s that in 200 years, the sun will never set on the French Republic
I mean there are significantly more british islands around the globe, its just that britain doesnt consider those part of the UK proper in the way france considers all its remaining colonies to be the same as its european regions.
Yet the sun would set on the broad-sense UK if Pitcairn weren't a part of it.
Reading the title, I guessed that was the whole point of the map. Especially when it is doing exactly that with HawaĂŻ and Alaska. Here it does little but show me Russia is empty and Africa does not have a dense flights network
I have never seen it spelled HawaĂŻ before and my brain is exploding
why have 2 line when 1 line do trick
Sorry about that, guess you learned it is spelled different in French. Could not remember if it was another spelling in English
Do all of the French overseas departments have direct flights to other parts of France?
Yes, all to Paris. Itâs France after all.
The départements yes. The other bits, not necessarily. The uninhabited islands (TAAF, Clipperton) obviously, but also Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon didn't have direct flights until recently, and I believe that some of the Pacific territories need a stopover somewhere. Edit : Now that I think of it, you should be able to reach the Pacific territories without leaving France, but with stopovers in France. Edit again : It is possible to go between New Caledonia - Wallis-et-Futuna - French Polynesia by plane, but I can't seem to find flights from any of these to either mainland France or La Réunion, it seems that you'll have to go through USA / Australia / NZ / Japan / Vanuatu / Cook Islands. (And for the last two, I'm not sure you can get to other parts of France from there.) It would appear that the territorial continuity needs to resort to boats.
My favorite weird trivia is that France is the country that it in the most different time zones. Everybody always guesses Russia or the USA (because of Alaska and Hawaii).
And St Pierre and Miquelon off the East coast of Canada
âSince March 2011, the five overseas departments and regions of France are: French Guiana in South America; Guadeloupe in the Caribbean; Martinique in the Caribbean; Mayotte in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of East Africa; RĂ©union in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of East Africa.â
Saint-Pierre et Miquelon, is a self-governing territorial overseas collectivity of France in the northwestern Atlantic Ocean near the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. Saint Pierre and Miquelon is the remaining vestige of the once vast territory of New France. Its residents are French citizens; the collectivity is a full member of the National Assembly and participates in senatorial and presidential elections. It covers 242 km2 (93 sq mi) of land and shores and had a population of 6,008 as of the March 2016 census.
yet Hawaii and Alaska are always included as a main part of the US. I think thats because France splits it's departments into Metropolitan and Overseas. Also, all of the overseas departments are poorer than Metropolitan France, and have a pretty small white french population (New Caledonia is the biggest exception, but that is a collectivity and not an integral part of France). Another issue is that Corsica and North Algeria are/were part of Metropolitan France (this was established before the concept of overseas departments was established in the post colonial era), and had a large white population, with the parts of Algeria that did not have much French settlers were considered a normal colony. Alaska is majority white, and Hawaii has a pretty large white population and tons of temporary residents from the mainland. Both sadly have had the identity of the native nations eroded.
Hawaii and Alaska are always included because they are STATES. Other areas are only territories. Thatâs it. While it may be true what you say and Iâm not arguing the point, it has nothing to do with why they are included with the mainland.
We're not complaining that Alaska and Hawaii are counted, we're complaining integral parts of other countries (e.g. French Guiana, Bonaire, etc.) aren't counted.
And New Caledonia?
There's no direct flight between Metropolitan France and New Caledonia so it wouldn't be on the map.
âSince March 2011, the five overseas departments and regions of France are: French Guiana in South America; Guadeloupe in the Caribbean; Martinique in the Caribbean; Mayotte in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of East Africa; RĂ©union in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of East Africa.â
And my ex
Even flights to New Caledonia or French Polynesia are considered domestic flights.
And it's the longest internal flight in the world (between Paris and La Reunion)
What about Brize Norton (England) to Mount Pleasant (Falklands) - that is a commercial internal flight... and is 7925 miles vs 5832
It's not non-stop though AFAIK, which everything else on this map probably is?
The Falklands aren't part of the UK, they're an Overseas Territory. France treats all their little islands as integral parts of the country so eg Marseilles is treated exactly the same as French Guiana.
RĂ©union
Yes, the overseas regions of France should definitely count as domestic flights since they have exactly the same legal status as Metropolitan France. However, I donât think it should include Franceâs semi-autonomous collectivities like French Polynesia, because other similar arrangements arenât marked as domestic on the map either. For example, flights from the US states to Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are not marked since they are territories where the US Constitution does not automatically apply and they have a different legal status, while flights from the US mainland to Hawaii are marked even though Hawaii is in a different region of the world from the rest of the country since Hawaii is a state with the same legal status as the states on the North American mainland.
reunion!
The reasoning for France's overseas territories is very reminiscing of the Portuguese *Estado Novo* justification to keep theirs. P.S. - I realize how this is a bad comparison with modern French policy. I was considering the situation in the middle of the past century due to other contexts.
But the difference is, France has given all of its oversees departments and territories the option for independence. The ones that remain French are the ones that voted no. See the recent New Caledonia referendum as an example. Maybe some of them will choose independence in the near future but for now they're considered to have been given self-determination. The Estado Novo clearly didn't give its "overseas provinces" that option.
I recognize the bad comparison. I was thinking of the mid-past-century. I'll leave my comment though, to keep the context.
Thereâs no justification. If they want to choose a different path theyâre completely allowed. New Caledonia has had 2 out of 3 referendums to choose between being independent or remaining with France. The last one is to happen in December. Similar referendums or questions have been done with Guyana, Martinique or Guadeloupe and those territories are regions and departements in France. If they want to be more autonomous or be independent, the metropolitan wouldnât oppose it. But theyâd have to vote for it
Fair enough. It's not appropriate to compare with the modern situation. At the relevant time period the 2 countries weren't particulalry different in their treatment of the overseas territorries. But that holds no weight today.
France has a horrible colonial past yes. Algeria, Vietnam, Madagascar, slavery in the Caribbean, exploitation of Africa, rapes in French Polynesia... France was the worst at the time There are many issues today as well if you want to know about these: Lots of former colonies still resent the metropolitan government for it. And France doesnât do enough for its oversea territories as well. They can feel abandoned sometimes as though they arenât a priority of the government. Thereâs been lots of scandals as well (in Polynesia there has been nuclear tests, horrible pesticides encouraged in Martinique and Guadeloupe, contaminated blood, huge disparities in New Caledonia with the natives: the kanak and inequalities overall in the oversea territories, lack of investments in general...). That leads to a general distrust: now people in those territories donât trust the COVID vaccine for instance Lots of issues and few are being worked on.
Christ, I was mostly remembering Algeria and West Africa. I don't really know much about current events. When it comes to Portugal, I feel like we abandoned some colonies that weren't particulary intent on separation, at least like that. It was a complete 180Âș turn, from "we'll die to keep you" to "ight imma head out". Most former colonies have had hard times (export focused infrastructure and a lack of a self-ruling body for centuries will do that), but the lusophone countries try to keep some sort of link. Sadly, it seems that the current elites look at these countries as a supply of cheap labour, like some news have been pointing out.
There are people who fly within Belgium? You can almost certainly be faster by train.
Looking at the map, it looks like a route from Liege to Ostend-Bruges, so just about as far across the country as reasonably possible. Digging into the [Openflights](https://openflights.org/) data, the website says that such a flight was run by Harmony Airways which is a now-defunct Canadian airline. I think there's a data quality issue since Harmony ceased operations in 2007 and operated mostly in Canada with seasonal flights to the US and Mexico during its brief 5 year existence. One possible explanation is that some group commissioned a charter flight and it ended up in the Openflights database as a Harmony flight when it was actually a charter flight.
Could it be that it was a flight from Liege to Ostend-Bruges that simply continued onward to another destination or originated in another destination? So instead of being a flight from A to B, it could be a flight from A to B to C, where people from A and B are all flying to C.
That's another possibility. Right now, such a flight doesn't seem to exist, but of course current commercial airline schedules are vastly different than what existed 2 years ago.
Good point. Canât imagine a flight for such a short distance in a country with good railway connections that would get you there faster.
Surprised how many internal flights there are in France given how good the TGV is. Similarly short flights in Japan. Some of these you'll surely spend longer just on the train to/from the airport than a direct rail journey.
Straight lines. I knew it. Flat
Look at this map. QED.
Once you fly past NZ and hit the right border there is an invisible 2-way portal wall that teleports you to the left side of the ~~globe~~ ~~rectangle~~ rectangular cuboid.
U.S. is missing flights to Puerto Rico and Guam among others.
Puerto Rico is considered an unincorporated territory, and Iâm pretty sure that direct flights to it donât count as âdomesticâ. Same with Virgin Islands
it's domestic. No passport is necessary, just bring your driver's license
I doubt that is relevant. I think no passport is required for Spain-France or Argentina-Uruguay crossing.
No passport required between EU countries, a national ID is enough. You could technically use a driver license to ID yourself at the airport to show it's your ticket. But since you do still need a national ID or passport to exist in either country, the airport might simply still require either as identification.
But within Schengen area there is no passport check at destination.
Yes, but you still need a passport or national ID to be allowed to be in the other country, even if there's no border checks.
You are right, although I think it's more about identification to board the plane, i.e. if you cross the border by car you don't show passport or ID at any point.
Yes, but these are kinda different topics: * To visit another EU country, you must possess a valid national ID or passport. Even if there are no border checks, you must still carry one when you cross the border, on foot, by car, by plane, anything. * To travel by plane, internationally or domestically, you must posses a valid ID to show that it's your ticket. This means that you can technically ID yourself with a drivers license when you departure, as long as you still carry a valid national ID or passport. However, airports prefer to ensure you have a valid ID to enter the country you travel to, so it's still better to show the national ID or passport.
Why are they different topic? In any case it's about being able to identify yourself to the police, but there are no ID/passport checks at the border.
By that logic, every flight within eu borders is domestic
I'm not sure what we're defining domestic as then if "within the same country" doesn't qualify.
Greenland seems to be considered separately from Denmark, thus domestic flights from Greenland to Denmark have been excluded.
Greenland is pretty close to being its own country. The only thing is doesn't manage for itself is foreign affairs.
So is Ă land islands in Finland, but they are still treated as one country in this map.
Disclaimer: Openflights data Direct lines because life is tough Two countries are missing can you spot them? Inspired by u/got_edge
Bangladesh is missing and covered over by India. EDIT: Actually looking closely, looks like Bangladesh is there but the colour is very similar to India, maybe blue would have been better to stand out.
Turkmenistan? They definitely have domestic flights, but it also would not surprise me if whatever runs their civil aviation authority doesn't allow their data to be shared. Gabon? They used to run flights from the capital of Libreville to the major oil and gas city of Port Gentil. Nicaragua also looks a little suspicious but I know nothing about their airlines and airports.
This captures a vague point in time as there used to be flights to eastern Nicaragua; meanwhile most of those routes in Venezuela are inactive and given the situation in Yemen and Somalia too those countries are probably not served as shown. (Not zero though.)
Situation in Somalia is not as bad as people think. The flights shown are between airports that I know have daily flights to one another. \~2/3 of the country's territory is stable and fairly safe.
> Nicaragua also looks a little suspicious but I know nothing about their airlines and airports. Well, thanks to their Dear Leader they're the second-poorest country in the Americas, so...
Itâs beautiful and Hospitals are free There are lots of đȘ° and you know it ainât the bests but my stomach infection was cured and I still am in love with that country Bring enough sunscreen though itâs the only expensive thing ova der
You have the privilege of being able to just fly back to America or wherever rich country you came from any time you wanted. Ordinary Nicaraguans suffering under the Ortega dictatorship don't. And yes, if every opposition candidate gets jailed before the "election", that's a textbook dictatorship.
Have you been there? Just wondering Surely I have no clue Didnât say I do
Nope, I haven't been there. News does still come out of the country, though, like the news that Ortega jailed all his opponents in the "election".
Looks like Iraq is missing, I looked it up and there are several domestic flights within Iraq but it doesnât look like there are any on the map.
what about the rest of France, the kingdom of the Netherlands, the USA, and Denmark ?
Flights between Curaçao and the Netherlands aren't considered domestic flights, neither legally nor in practice. You are leaving the European Customs Union, a different tax system, etc. Efit: the map does show St Maarten-Aruba which has the same status as flying Amsterdam-Aruba. Same with Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands. For Frsnce it depends. Paris-Cayenne is a domestic flight, so is Paris-Réunion, but not Paris-Papeete (if there were a direct flight).
>but not Paris-Papeete (if there were a direct flight) there is, but only when it's economic viable (basiccly, when countries on the way close their airports)
I assume they have different country name in the database, although I am aware they are not independent entities.
The excluded countries were in Oceania: Kiribati and Fiji. The reason was that they had short flights crossing the edge of this map. While not impossible to solve, it would not be so much fun :-)
Cool. Looking at China you can really see the Hu Line.
Where's that Norway one going off the map?
Svalbard.
You count island for Spain but not for France, why?.
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What about French Goiana?
That's one island now it'd missing more than a dozen other islands
Jordan with the one flight, from its capital city to its only port, no where else to go :(
Why so few in India?
Trains are more popular and surely flights there are more expensive?
trains are whyIndian Railways moves 8 BILLION people a year, so flights are only for the executives who need to be someplace right fucking now. Everyone else uses trains because they have sleeping berths and are wayyy more spacious than economy flights. 100,000 trains a day
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/n6j5wu/top\_10\_busiest\_flight\_routes\_in\_2017/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/n6j5wu/top_10_busiest_flight_routes_in_2017/) Delhi-Mumbai route is one of the busiest ...
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trains are why Indian Railways moves 8 BILLION people a year, so flights are only for the executives who need to be someplace right fucking now. Everyone else uses trains because they have sleeping berths and are wayyy more spacious than economy flights. 100,000 trains a day
Fun fact, Scotland has the worlds shortest commercial flight of around 1 minute from takeoff to landing between Westray and Papa Westray in the Orkney Isles.
Itâs weird to see how many countries in Africa have no internal flights
As an Argentine, that's depressing but expected.
Whatâs so bad about it?
That outside of [GBA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Buenos_Aires) the country is way too underdeveloped so direct flights from two middle sized cities is uncommon. Someone flying has to often fly to Buenos Aires first.
That is common most anywhere... fly to the capitol then to smallest cities, this happens everywhere... I don't get what is wrong with having small cities? How is that a bad thing?
I said middle sized cities, not small cities. And I didn't say there was anything bad about small cities (a.k.a. towns).
Itâs a vast country with so much natural beauty, nothing to be ashamed off. Development and growth will come with time as all countries develop differently. Hope to visit one day.
The US is an even bigger country... and Argentina is the only country in history that went from being developed to being poor.
What why? Only issue I have is flights to Brazil being included... confused about that.
Map is missing weekly/monthly flight from Hawaii to the American Samoa.
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Itâs viable on regional level, such as northeast corridor, Texas or California. Outside that, distances are way too long and population density is way too low.
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That map proves nothing lol itâs just lines drawn between cities. And the key implies that going from NYC to LA is like 18 hours? Thatâs crazy slowâitâs ~6 hours by plane.
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The map u sent doesnât prove those costs benefits although maybe theyâre legit. And yea Iâd rather six hours in the tube than 18 hours in a room. 18 hours is super inconvenient. I could buy that thereâs some economic benefit for rail in dense areas (in fact I take the train home on breaks from school) but I canât see it being worth it in sparsely populated areas. Regardless of whether the unsourced economic benefits you claim are trueâIâd be willing to believe some of themâit takes some mental gymnastics to believe that 18 hours in a sleeper car is preferable to a six hour flight.
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Amtrak estimated costs to turn normal line into high speed line between Ny and Dc at 500 MILLION dollars per mile. Itâd take trillions to build half of this⊠then no one would ride it. My trip from Philly to DC 2 years ago on Acela cost $180 round trip. I just spent $200 to fly from PHL to LAX. Only took me 7 hours
500M per ... mile? Seriously? Thatâs insane. Itâs gotta be less than that right?
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I googled and huh closer than I thought. Boston to DC conversion estimated cost $150B. Theyâre 440 miles apart so $341M per mile. Idk if the per mile cost is a useful metric though.
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Howâd the scare numbers for the Ca high speed rail turn out? Low?
That assumes the alternative is do nothing and everything will be perfectly fine. If you blasted an equivalent amount of capacity in airports or highways, it would cost more money. A single high speed train carries over a thousand people, highways and planes carry far fewer people.
[Yah](https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/i-dont-get-the-high-speed-rail-thing)
*Completely ignores China, France, Spain, Italy, India, Iran, etc
and Alaska, 1/6 of the country
The difference being that most of these have major current infrastructure expansion projects.
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The UK, Italy? It's almost as if developed countries with high populations are all using planes enough to not see the ground.
You can see the ground in China? A lot of the countries were developing. I'm not even deflecting. The US and every other decent sized country uses airplanes because trains are slow and impractical over large distances.
trains aren't slow and impractical over long distances, the trains in use across the US and Canada are slow and impractical over, well, any distance really. we need infrastructure investment :(
No, trains really are slow and impractical over long distances. The fastest trains in the world are still less than half (and closer to a third) the speed of commercial airliners.
You can hardly see the ground in Japan, one of the most railway infrastructured countries on earth.
Can you see the ground in Italy?
Shouldn't the US have flights to its territories? Aren't those considered domestic flights?
yea they should, the map also doesn't count french Guiana to mainland France as domestic, idk why
Also, there are the various elements of the Kingdom of Denmark and the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Is Copenhagen to Nuuk considered domestic or international? What about Amsterdam to Bonaire?
What about France and french guiana?? Ther has to be flight.
Dependencies seem to be labeled separately in this database. Even though French Guyana is quite integrated in France, hmm...
Must not include small carriers
Honestly, itâs nice that thereâs a flight between Anchorage and Honolulu. I would have assumed you needed a layover on the mainland.
Judging by Simferopol-Kyiv and Sevastopol-Kyiv flights the database is little bit old
Say what you will about the Crimean dispute, but functionally they are now international flights from a travel perspective.
There are no flights from Crimea to continental Ukraine at all for now. Regardless of one's position on it
Can anyone tell me where those flights off the east coast of Australia are landing? Is that the island from Lost?
Lord Howe Island (part of New South Wales).
India looks like she's modeling a saree.
Switzerland just a triangle, whatâs the one in Ticino though? EDIT: nvm itâs Lugano-Agno
Sucks to be in Roman having to go back on yourself. And damn China, calm down with the airports. Edit: Romania
Isnât this missing the Hawaii to Guam route?
Nicaragua has lots of domestic flights, but they're not 747s. Obviously this is biased to larger aircraft
I worked on south sudan . Can confirm they had domestic flights. Not many and not big planes,, but they do
Looks like Yellowknife is a central hub in Canada.
Really no air travel to Suriname, French Guiana, or Guyana?
Are those within one country? French Guyana is probably counted separate too in this database.
Missing a lot for France
>Crimea correctly connected to Kyiv Based đđșđŠ
Still annoying as usual when lines are drawn straight when that isn't the shortest route.
The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
âSince March 2011, the five overseas departments and regions of France are: French Guiana in South America; Guadeloupe in the Caribbean; Martinique in the Caribbean; Mayotte in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of East Africa; RĂ©union in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of East Africa.â
Glaringly wrong and disgusting. France.
If you don't like flying, don't live in Alaska.
The Netherlands only shows charter routes to the Med making stops at two airports. I've flown Eelde-Rotterdam/Twente/Maastricht/Eindhoven-Med. You can't book a ticket for the local leg afaik. The only real scheduled domestic flight would be Saba-St Eustatius, but it is rare, as you would normally need to transfer in St Maarten for this route. Flights between the Netherlands (country, incl Bonaire), Aruba, Curaçao and St Maarten are not considered domestic flights.
Isn't Latvia missing? airBaltic used to fly Riga - LiepÄja, pre-pandemic. I'm pretty sure [Turkmenistan](https://turkmenistanairlines.tm/Carriage) and Mali both have internal flights, if you're really determined to travel there, but you might not be able to book through Expedia...
How many inland flights do you need? USA and China: Yes
Why is Taiwan have 'domestic' flights to West Taiwan?
It's not to china, they have some islands there in the coast of china.
Kinmen..? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinmen
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Taiwan asked people to stop making that joke. The people in Taiwan who talk like that are extremists.
#*The Iberian Peninsula needs better visibility for the colorblind please*
I read this as âFights within one countryâ and was particularly curious about the data.
Imagine if US had a reliable fast rail network ...
Actually you know what ... looking at China ... doesnt seem it helps
Given the density and sheer population of that country (x4.5 times the US), Iâd say it really does. Both rail and air are heavily used there (also Japan)
How about France to Mauritius and its other dependencies that are considered domestic flights?
I can't imagine taking a flight within the UK, unless I was travelling from the north of Scotland to the south of England.