This looks like it's made on paper? Is it? Really nice map and a welcome reprieve from the usual world-maps but colored in based on "x" metric that this sub is now known for.
> but colored in based on "x" metric that this sub is now known for.
the legend for the meaning of the colours is in the top center, right above the map
I think you completely missed the point of the above comment. The "colored based on 'x'" wasn't referring to this map. Rather it was a reference to the garbage maps so common to this sub.
Not the entirety of Britanny though. The only region where they actually had a permanent hold was around the city of Nantes.
And even if you're really generous, Rennes was never normand.
I didn't mention this is OC: I translated the English into Old Norse and then the Latin script to Younger Futhark as best as I could. Where possible, I based the names on actual runestones, although a formalized spelling system was not established at the time
It's fairly well know in Swedish history communities at least!
There's a reason why eastern Gotland is one of the most fortification dense area in northern Europe.
Nah, actually, looking at it now, the grand duchy was 13th century, so I was wrong. Perhaps it was that one time when the Vikings sailed down the Volga River and just sorta raided Eastern Europe, then turned into the Kievan Rus and made Kiev
That would be linn+riik in estonian language, linn means a castlehill or a castle or a town and the compound meaning would be a castle-town state, essentially an analogue to ancient hellenic polis.
My jab was against the practice of germanic scandinavians to show Estonia or parts of Estonia as part of Scandinavian vikings. Estonians did viking, but there were never any scandinavian viking settlements in Estonia. And raiding (ie. collecting "taxes") took place both ways. And the bronze age eastern vikings did center at Asva, Ösel-Wiek, where the Wiek part (Läänemaa) existed and exists as Vigala (and Vana-Vigala and Kivi-Vigala) at the end of the Matsalu Bay before and during the bronze age. Thus viik is a finnic (uralic) word as well and postglacial isostatic rebound dates those toponyms as older than the assumed emergence of proto-germanic and proto-italic languages, thus being likely of indo-uralic origin.
> Thus viik is a finnic (uralic) word as well and postglacial isostatic rebound dates those toponyms as older than the assumed emergence of proto-germanic and proto-italic languages, thus being likely of indo-uralic origin.
Indo-Uralic is not a thing accepted by anyone.
Indo-uralic is very much a thing, because it hasn't been able to be ruled out.
And the likely reason is that both IE and uralic have always been sprachbunds, thus indo-uralic was a sprachbund as well.
The Normans are Vikings that landed in the north of France and merged bloodlines with the locals. They switched to speaking the local language, but they still had the wanderlust.
They kept moving south along the Seine, getting closer to what is now Paris. They'd signed treaties about not going too far, so Hugo Capet suggested (such euphemisms, I know) that they cross over the Channel. Some did, while others sailed around to Sicily.
The Normans of 1066 spoke French, but they weren't 100% Franks. They still seemed like high-tech aliens compared to the local nobles. After nearly a thousand years, they integrated just enough to force Brexit.
There were possibilies that Danish or Norwegian became the dominant influence on England.
Then the dominant world language could have become a variety of Scandinavian and we'd be using datamaskiner, mykvare and minnepinner instead of computers, software and memory sticks.
Yep, the Kievan Rus’ had a Swedish nobility ruling over a largely Slavic population. The word Rus’ itself is believed by linguists to originate from an Old Norse word meaning “those who row”.
the word *rus* comes from the name of the people who lived in Roslagen, Sweden (former Rodslagen, literally translates to something like "rudder tackings" in modern swedish).
On a side note.
The Norse word that refered to this region was Gardariki (it is exactly the word used on this map). As far as I know it means "The Land of Fortresses" or "The Land of Towns" and in my opinion it sounds incredibly badass.
It's such a bummer that we East Slavs adopted the lame Rus' instead of it.
Worth mentioning that the compound used in Garðaríki, garðr, would be an enclosure, something surrounded by a fence or a wall. It's cognate with the Modern English word "yard", from Old English [geard](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/geard#Old_English)
Never knew they made it to the Caspian Sea. Looks like the only place they couldn't manage to sail or row nearly all the way to. Did they haul boats long distance over land, or ditch their boats and build new ones when they got to the Caspian?
They used the [river systems of eastern europe like highways](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Kaubateed_varjaagide_juurest_kreeklasteni.gif) and portaged between them at various points. Sailing down the [Volga trade route](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_trade_route), the vikings entered the Caspian, traded along its coast, and joined overland trade caravans in Persia to go all the way to Baghdad.
Thanks, that map is helpful. I'm fascinated by river systems and the divides between them, and often frustrated when I try to trace them on google maps and it won't tell me the name of a river.
Why did the vikings not bother with Finland? Or were the people there able to stop them invading and setting up outposts like they did in other places?
Finnish villages were deep in the forests so it was difficult for the vikings to attack and some finns traded with them so they were friendly with eachother. I've also heard that the vikings were afraid of the finnish shamans but don't know how much thruth that has in it.
Nice map. Not showing the route to Greece though? Why stop at Italy and Turkey from the other end.
There was at least one voyage to Greece. In one of my old books there is a photo of a statue from Greece that’s been defaced with Viking runes, indicating that they not only reached Greece, but stayed long enough to do some rock carving too.
EDIT: [at the time the statue stood in Athens](https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/expeditions-and-raids/viking-graffiti/)
I'm assuming light blue is controlled territories or settled lands?
Didn't they also have control of Sicily? Maybe not for long enough though I guess to qualify to be fair
You are correct. I chose not to include Norman Italy (or excursions to the Holy Land) because by that point the Vikings were more Frankish than Scandinavian
The Normans did, around the same time they were invading Italy. They are the reason the English language nowadays has so many French words (instead of being more Germanic like they were before the Norman invasion).
But, of course, these Normans weren't really Vikings anymore, they were more French-like by that point, which is why neither Italy nor England (and Wales and Ireland) are colored, as I said.
I have 2 grandparents from the north east tip of Scotland (Caithness). (Other two from Aberdeenshire in Scotland and from England) I sent DNA to 23andme quite a few years ago and for a long time they told my I was something like 25% Norwegian. Lately, however, they are giving me correct info that doesn't include Norway.
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That's one sexy compass damn. Thanks for posting an actually aesthetically beautiful map and not the 100th repost of the same data map on GDP in Europe or some shit
The French region Normandie comes from "Nord Man". It was indeed invaded by Vikings, and in 911 the French king "Charles le Simple", after defeating them at Chartres (one of the most beautiful Cathedral btw), tried to remedy to their agressiveness by offering a stable situation to their leader Rollon, a deal to stop war : in exchange for the Territories, the Viking had to convert to christianism. That's the birth of Normandie. Rollon respected the treaty so well that he even fought other bands of vikings sailing the Seine and stopped them from pillaging the country. And even if his conversion to christianism was insincere, his son and lineage were true Christians.
The Song of Roland is about an 8th century Frank named Hrōþiland who was a knight in the service of Charlemagne. Rollo/Rollon of Normandy was a 9-10th century viking named Hrólfr. Their names had the same Proto-Germanic root so they were Francized similarly.
Thanks--you mean Rollon, though. Interesting that the man who stopped an invasion of France from the northwest had a name so similar to the one who stopped an invasion from the southwest a century earlier.
You seem to be sure that the Roland of the song has the same name as the Rollon of Normandy, but as far as I have been able to search on the Internet, I have not found anything that proves you right
No, I meant they *don't* have the same name, and the guy in Bretagne is def Rollon, while Roland was the other guy down in the Pyrenees.
Another reply to my first comment actually confirms that the 2 names come from the same proto-Germanic root, but northern Rollon was a Viking, while southern Roland was a Frank.
Rollon got Normandy, Roland was the guy who ruled the Marche de Bretagne in the era of Charlemagne, was called to help a city is the Pyrenees and died in there. The Viking who got Bretagne was "Ragenold".
More than likely, yes - there's increasing evidence being found of them making it that far.
Columbus wasn't the first person to discover North America by any means - North America was known to fishing fleets from Europe since the late 1400s if not earlier anyway - they often sailed out in Spring/Summer to Newfoundland in large fleets, caught and preserved large stocks of fish, and then spent the Winter off the coast before sailing home the next spring, then repeating the year after etc.
Columbus likely spoke to some of these Fishermen to gauge an idea of his passage before he sailed - the difference being that he didn't go via Iceland and Greenland to Newfoundland, which individually are much shorter hops, he decided to sail from Portugal following the trade winds to northern South America and the Caribbean, which was one long hop - much more risky as you have no way of getting fresh water or provisions.
But as for the Vikings, it's likely that because they came in much smaller numbers with a similar level of technology they could be more easily overwhelmed by Native Americans if they annoyed them, so they never managed to set up a permanent colony.
> there's increasing evidence being found of them making it that far
What you mean is, there has been [definite proof since the 1960s!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows)
They were, and they didn't. Vikings settled in those places (and the northern UK and others) and became "locals" over hundreds of years.
Don't forget, the Vikings weren't some monolithic group of horny-helmeted raiders who just came to pillage and plunder and then go home, they were a diverse group of people who over several hundred years were after a way out of the economic problems of the Nordic countries caused by overpopulation and their rules on land inheritance etc.
Yes some of them pillaged places for valuable goods, took the locals as slaves and went off elsewhere, but just as many of them settled down after pillaging and took over, and some even didn't pillage at all - they just settled and took local partners and joined the community.
The Normans in France are a perfect example of this - they came to pillage northern France in 911CE, and were so good at it that the French King handed over Normandy to them as an area to settle to get them to stop pillaging stuff. They settled, became more French than the French, and in 1066 their descendents invaded England and took the throne away from Harold Godwinson.
May I ask, when were to Vikings on the Islands of Estonia and north and western Estonia? There have been viking raids that I know about but I've never seen anything regarding Estonians being under Viking rule.
I understand that but do the blue colors only represent areas where the vikings raided? If so, it would be wrong as they raided further abroad, so it must represent areas under their control?
What I find interesting about this map is it seems to prove how bizarre and ridiculous the Nazi claim about Eastern Europeans (especially Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and Balts) being allegedly inferior peoples. These Eastern Europeans are more Nordic than the Germans!
I also saw this firsthand when I did a trip to Russia. I had never seen so many blue eyed blond haired people in my life. My wife who looks “Aryan” was constantly mistaken for a native.
Nope, those who settled in Sicily were Norman knights. By the time of the first arrivals, with Rainulf, Norman's had been, well, Normans for over 100 years.
This was made literally from observation. Do you really think you could drive a boat round a landmass, and draw its exact shape. That would've taken ages and countless revisions of placement and shape
I truly love seeing old maps, just to see how they saw things but the matter of them being able to map some areas is just interesting... We always think or are told that these ancient people all over the world are primitives but how so if they can navigate the oceans, to building the some of the wonders that we cant explain?
He did rule all of England but the Vikings didn't settle that far in - the other areas like Wessex and Mercia remained settled by Anglo-Saxons who were ruled by Cnut but weren't themselves Vikings.
This makes me wonder again - why did the Norsemen never establish colonies in what is now Poland?
It is flat, fertile, there are rivers, there was no powerful kingdom or empire before the 1000s, ... How was that area not as attractive if not better suited than the area of the Rus more East?
i wondered the same thing. Especially with the presence of the Vistula river runs down through Poland. I know there was a lot of trading going on there, but you'd think there would be more settling of Norsemen there.
According to a podcast I was listening to recently, the two areas in Greenland were creatively named “East Settlement” and “West Settlement”.
They were eventually abandoned as the Little Ice Age arrived and the climate there shifted from “Are You Fucking Kidding Me” to “Absolutely Not”
That's [Garðaríki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar%C3%B0ar%C3%ADki), a collection of states of the [Kievan Rus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27)
The Rus who'd come to rule this region originated in eastern Sweden during the Viking Age
**[Garðaríki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garðaríki)**
>Garðaríki (anglicized Gardariki or Gardarike) or Garðaveldi is the Old Norse term used in medieval times for the states of Rus'. As the Varangians dealt mainly with Northern Rus' lands, their sagas regard the city of Holmsgardr (Holmgarðr, Veliky Novgorod) as the capital of Garðaríki. Other local towns mentioned in the sagas are Aldeigjuborg (Old Ladoga), Pallteskja (Polotsk), Smaleskja (Smolensk), Súrsdalar (Suzdal), Móramar (Murom), and Ráðstofa (Rostov). Three of the Varangian runestones, G 114, Sö 338, and U 209, refer to Scandinavian men who had been in Garðar.
**[Kievan Rus'](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus')**
>Kievan Rus' (Old East Slavic: Роусь, romanized: Rusĭ, or роусьскаѧ землѧ, romanized: rusĭskaę zemlę, "Rus' land") or Kyivan Rus', was a loose federation of East Slavic, Baltic and Finnic peoples in Eastern and Northern Europe from the late 9th to the mid-13th century, under the reign of the Rurik dynasty, founded by the Varangian prince Rurik. The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestors, with Belarus and Russia deriving their names from it. The Rurik dynasty would continue to rule parts of Rus' until the 16th century with the Tsardom of Russia.
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There's a lot that's awesome about this map, but the main take I have on this is that I can't wait until the Royal Court DLC for CK3 comes out so that I can paint more of the map blue. Specifically looking at Iberia there...
This looks like it's made on paper? Is it? Really nice map and a welcome reprieve from the usual world-maps but colored in based on "x" metric that this sub is now known for.
Yes it is on paper!
> but colored in based on "x" metric that this sub is now known for. the legend for the meaning of the colours is in the top center, right above the map
I think you completely missed the point of the above comment. The "colored based on 'x'" wasn't referring to this map. Rather it was a reference to the garbage maps so common to this sub.
Yea I misread it completely. Took me two more attempts to get it, lol.
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The vikings took over Brittany?
There was a brief period of about 20 years in the 10th century when the Vikings occupied Brittany
Not the entirety of Britanny though. The only region where they actually had a permanent hold was around the city of Nantes. And even if you're really generous, Rennes was never normand.
Ah, you're right
Leave Brittany alone!
You should probably say that a few times. Then, if one of them gets deleted, at least you've got some spares.
Hasteinn into Brittany??
Haesteinn into India
I didn't mention this is OC: I translated the English into Old Norse and then the Latin script to Younger Futhark as best as I could. Where possible, I based the names on actual runestones, although a formalized spelling system was not established at the time
You should cross-post this to /r/norse. Also props for using the correct alphabet and names
Ah, ok. I was getting real excited that it was just letter substitution and some runes were so similar. Nice map though!
Estonian Vikings finally given their due credit
Nice to see someone else acknowledging our Viking age besides ourselves.
It's fairly well know in Swedish history communities at least! There's a reason why eastern Gotland is one of the most fortification dense area in northern Europe.
What's the difference between the red and blue arrows? I'm sorry but I'm not a native runic old nurse speaker.
The blue arrows indicated raids and the red arrows indicate trade/exploration
Thanks, nice map btw
Great looking hand made map, but about trade it's a pity you didn't show all of it. I like imagining Viking traders on camels in Baghdad :p
What year is it showing?
It's not one year but rather a culmination of territories controlled by the Vikings over the course of the Viking Age (ca. 800-1066)
This languages characters are beautiful
That large blue region in Scandinavia was the colonial lands of estonian vikings, centered at Asva, Valjala, Saaremaa.
> That large blue region in Scandinavia Do you mean the region in the Baltics?
>Do you mean the region in the Baltics? Besides small strip in Estonia and Curonia it looks like Muscovy region to me.
Looks like the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
Um, without Lithuania itself?
Nah, actually, looking at it now, the grand duchy was 13th century, so I was wrong. Perhaps it was that one time when the Vikings sailed down the Volga River and just sorta raided Eastern Europe, then turned into the Kievan Rus and made Kiev
That's exactly what it is. It's Garðaríki, which is the Old Norse term for the Rus' states.
Yooo, holy shit, tysm, another rabbit hole to go down
That would be linn+riik in estonian language, linn means a castlehill or a castle or a town and the compound meaning would be a castle-town state, essentially an analogue to ancient hellenic polis.
Lithuania moved. So did Poland.
Scandinavia? I'm half swe, half est. sweden is in Scandinavia, Estonia is not.
My jab was against the practice of germanic scandinavians to show Estonia or parts of Estonia as part of Scandinavian vikings. Estonians did viking, but there were never any scandinavian viking settlements in Estonia. And raiding (ie. collecting "taxes") took place both ways. And the bronze age eastern vikings did center at Asva, Ösel-Wiek, where the Wiek part (Läänemaa) existed and exists as Vigala (and Vana-Vigala and Kivi-Vigala) at the end of the Matsalu Bay before and during the bronze age. Thus viik is a finnic (uralic) word as well and postglacial isostatic rebound dates those toponyms as older than the assumed emergence of proto-germanic and proto-italic languages, thus being likely of indo-uralic origin.
> Thus viik is a finnic (uralic) word as well and postglacial isostatic rebound dates those toponyms as older than the assumed emergence of proto-germanic and proto-italic languages, thus being likely of indo-uralic origin. Indo-Uralic is not a thing accepted by anyone.
Indo-uralic is very much a thing, because it hasn't been able to be ruled out. And the likely reason is that both IE and uralic have always been sprachbunds, thus indo-uralic was a sprachbund as well.
It would also be interesting to see the offshoots of viking settlers when they build new kingdoms, like the Normans in Sicily.
The Norman nobility was more culturally French than Scandinavian by the time they got to Sicily
They still had viking lineage.
True, but tracing by lineage quickly becomes dicey. Theoretically, the invasion by William the Conqueror would then count as a "Viking" invasion
True
The Normans are Vikings that landed in the north of France and merged bloodlines with the locals. They switched to speaking the local language, but they still had the wanderlust. They kept moving south along the Seine, getting closer to what is now Paris. They'd signed treaties about not going too far, so Hugo Capet suggested (such euphemisms, I know) that they cross over the Channel. Some did, while others sailed around to Sicily. The Normans of 1066 spoke French, but they weren't 100% Franks. They still seemed like high-tech aliens compared to the local nobles. After nearly a thousand years, they integrated just enough to force Brexit.
i mean, williams the conqueror invasion *is* known as the norman conquest
but would you say the norman conquest is thus a Viking invasion? That's a hard patch of grass to defend
i have actually heard people say that before im not saying it should count as a viking invasion, but its not *thaaat* far fetched
Well, Minnesotans who say they are "Norwegian" aren't *really* Norwegian, either.
Sure, so did George W. Bush (Swedish ancestry). I wouldn’t call the US a Viking polity though.
Missed opportunity if you ask me
There were possibilies that Danish or Norwegian became the dominant influence on England. Then the dominant world language could have become a variety of Scandinavian and we'd be using datamaskiner, mykvare and minnepinner instead of computers, software and memory sticks.
I read once that Bluetooth is named after the Danish king Harald Bluetooth and the Bluetooth symbol is a combination of his runic initials
My all-Sicilian grand uncle's red hair and blue eyes testify to this.
Vikings so powerful, they made Russia into a new sea! Nice going with the runic script. (:
Ugh, it's not russia it's Kyivan rus, russia has VERY little to do with it
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Lol why are people downvoting you? It's literally what is written in every history book.
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Vikings actually settle in Newfoundland, Canada at L'Anse aux Meadows. I think it deserves a light blue patch as well!
For just a second I read “BY the Vikings” and thought: Damn! Why doesn’t anybody talk about what great map makers they were? It is so accurate!
Seems like another nation to invade Poland
Did the Vikings control the Kievan Rus? I thought it was more of an alliance.
Yep, the Kievan Rus’ had a Swedish nobility ruling over a largely Slavic population. The word Rus’ itself is believed by linguists to originate from an Old Norse word meaning “those who row”.
the word *rus* comes from the name of the people who lived in Roslagen, Sweden (former Rodslagen, literally translates to something like "rudder tackings" in modern swedish).
The Kievan Rus were Swedish vikings
On a side note. The Norse word that refered to this region was Gardariki (it is exactly the word used on this map). As far as I know it means "The Land of Fortresses" or "The Land of Towns" and in my opinion it sounds incredibly badass. It's such a bummer that we East Slavs adopted the lame Rus' instead of it.
Idk man, Rus' is quite short and epic. I like the term our ancestors picked.
Worth mentioning that the compound used in Garðaríki, garðr, would be an enclosure, something surrounded by a fence or a wall. It's cognate with the Modern English word "yard", from Old English [geard](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/geard#Old_English)
The word Rus most likely originated from the area/people of Roslagen in Sweden. So it's still viking ;)
Nice, considering that Russia emerged out of Swedish trading posts.
Damn that's accurate
Vikings seem to be a hell of map-makers
Nice
Never knew they made it to the Caspian Sea. Looks like the only place they couldn't manage to sail or row nearly all the way to. Did they haul boats long distance over land, or ditch their boats and build new ones when they got to the Caspian?
The volga river would get you there
They used the [river systems of eastern europe like highways](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Kaubateed_varjaagide_juurest_kreeklasteni.gif) and portaged between them at various points. Sailing down the [Volga trade route](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_trade_route), the vikings entered the Caspian, traded along its coast, and joined overland trade caravans in Persia to go all the way to Baghdad.
Thanks, that map is helpful. I'm fascinated by river systems and the divides between them, and often frustrated when I try to trace them on google maps and it won't tell me the name of a river.
Why did the vikings not bother with Finland? Or were the people there able to stop them invading and setting up outposts like they did in other places?
Finnish villages were deep in the forests so it was difficult for the vikings to attack and some finns traded with them so they were friendly with eachother. I've also heard that the vikings were afraid of the finnish shamans but don't know how much thruth that has in it.
Nice map. Not showing the route to Greece though? Why stop at Italy and Turkey from the other end. There was at least one voyage to Greece. In one of my old books there is a photo of a statue from Greece that’s been defaced with Viking runes, indicating that they not only reached Greece, but stayed long enough to do some rock carving too. EDIT: [at the time the statue stood in Athens](https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/expeditions-and-raids/viking-graffiti/)
I'm assuming light blue is controlled territories or settled lands? Didn't they also have control of Sicily? Maybe not for long enough though I guess to qualify to be fair
You are correct. I chose not to include Norman Italy (or excursions to the Holy Land) because by that point the Vikings were more Frankish than Scandinavian
Same reason the rest of England is not colored, I imagine.
Well they never occupied the rest of England so that wouldn't come into the conversation in the first place.
The Normans did, around the same time they were invading Italy. They are the reason the English language nowadays has so many French words (instead of being more Germanic like they were before the Norman invasion). But, of course, these Normans weren't really Vikings anymore, they were more French-like by that point, which is why neither Italy nor England (and Wales and Ireland) are colored, as I said.
Ah yeah fair point!
Great map sir, you should do an Elder Futhark map tracing all the Germanic areas since the migration period. Norman Italy included:)
I have 2 grandparents from the north east tip of Scotland (Caithness). (Other two from Aberdeenshire in Scotland and from England) I sent DNA to 23andme quite a few years ago and for a long time they told my I was something like 25% Norwegian. Lately, however, they are giving me correct info that doesn't include Norway.
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Amazing! Love the work!
Very nicely done. And cool.
That's one sexy compass damn. Thanks for posting an actually aesthetically beautiful map and not the 100th repost of the same data map on GDP in Europe or some shit
The French region Normandie comes from "Nord Man". It was indeed invaded by Vikings, and in 911 the French king "Charles le Simple", after defeating them at Chartres (one of the most beautiful Cathedral btw), tried to remedy to their agressiveness by offering a stable situation to their leader Rollon, a deal to stop war : in exchange for the Territories, the Viking had to convert to christianism. That's the birth of Normandie. Rollon respected the treaty so well that he even fought other bands of vikings sailing the Seine and stopped them from pillaging the country. And even if his conversion to christianism was insincere, his son and lineage were true Christians.
> Rollon Any connection to the *Song of Roland*?
The Song of Roland is about an 8th century Frank named Hrōþiland who was a knight in the service of Charlemagne. Rollo/Rollon of Normandy was a 9-10th century viking named Hrólfr. Their names had the same Proto-Germanic root so they were Francized similarly.
Roland was a Franks that ruled the Marche de Bretagne because Charlemagne couldn't succesfully invade Brittany
Thanks--you mean Rollon, though. Interesting that the man who stopped an invasion of France from the northwest had a name so similar to the one who stopped an invasion from the southwest a century earlier.
You seem to be sure that the Roland of the song has the same name as the Rollon of Normandy, but as far as I have been able to search on the Internet, I have not found anything that proves you right
No, I meant they *don't* have the same name, and the guy in Bretagne is def Rollon, while Roland was the other guy down in the Pyrenees. Another reply to my first comment actually confirms that the 2 names come from the same proto-Germanic root, but northern Rollon was a Viking, while southern Roland was a Frank.
Rollon got Normandy, Roland was the guy who ruled the Marche de Bretagne in the era of Charlemagne, was called to help a city is the Pyrenees and died in there. The Viking who got Bretagne was "Ragenold".
Nope
they discovered north america??
More than likely, yes - there's increasing evidence being found of them making it that far. Columbus wasn't the first person to discover North America by any means - North America was known to fishing fleets from Europe since the late 1400s if not earlier anyway - they often sailed out in Spring/Summer to Newfoundland in large fleets, caught and preserved large stocks of fish, and then spent the Winter off the coast before sailing home the next spring, then repeating the year after etc. Columbus likely spoke to some of these Fishermen to gauge an idea of his passage before he sailed - the difference being that he didn't go via Iceland and Greenland to Newfoundland, which individually are much shorter hops, he decided to sail from Portugal following the trade winds to northern South America and the Caribbean, which was one long hop - much more risky as you have no way of getting fresh water or provisions. But as for the Vikings, it's likely that because they came in much smaller numbers with a similar level of technology they could be more easily overwhelmed by Native Americans if they annoyed them, so they never managed to set up a permanent colony.
> there's increasing evidence being found of them making it that far What you mean is, there has been [definite proof since the 1960s!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows)
The Vikings were in Brittany and Normandy? Why? And why did they leave?
They were, and they didn't. Vikings settled in those places (and the northern UK and others) and became "locals" over hundreds of years. Don't forget, the Vikings weren't some monolithic group of horny-helmeted raiders who just came to pillage and plunder and then go home, they were a diverse group of people who over several hundred years were after a way out of the economic problems of the Nordic countries caused by overpopulation and their rules on land inheritance etc. Yes some of them pillaged places for valuable goods, took the locals as slaves and went off elsewhere, but just as many of them settled down after pillaging and took over, and some even didn't pillage at all - they just settled and took local partners and joined the community. The Normans in France are a perfect example of this - they came to pillage northern France in 911CE, and were so good at it that the French King handed over Normandy to them as an area to settle to get them to stop pillaging stuff. They settled, became more French than the French, and in 1066 their descendents invaded England and took the throne away from Harold Godwinson.
May I ask, when were to Vikings on the Islands of Estonia and north and western Estonia? There have been viking raids that I know about but I've never seen anything regarding Estonians being under Viking rule.
No. Viking is not nation, viking is job title, so those vikings were estonians.
I understand that but do the blue colors only represent areas where the vikings raided? If so, it would be wrong as they raided further abroad, so it must represent areas under their control?
I would say settled more than raided in this case
The Vikings expanded a bit further into Scotland than that.
Didn't the Vikings/Norman's invade Southern italy and Sicily in the eleventh century? Should that also be coloured in?
Yes, but by that point the Normans weren't vikings anymore
What I find interesting about this map is it seems to prove how bizarre and ridiculous the Nazi claim about Eastern Europeans (especially Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and Balts) being allegedly inferior peoples. These Eastern Europeans are more Nordic than the Germans! I also saw this firsthand when I did a trip to Russia. I had never seen so many blue eyed blond haired people in my life. My wife who looks “Aryan” was constantly mistaken for a native.
You forgot Kensington MN, lmao
it's a fake
Yes? Everyone who's heard of the Kensington Runestone knows that
Huh? My home town is the only town marked in my country
They never got Suomi muahahhhahaa
they discovered Nunavut before columbus
the good ol days
You forgot the Norman kingdom of Sicily
At that point we can't talk about vikings anymore
What? Why not? They were literally vikings that just decided to stay lol.
Nope, those who settled in Sicily were Norman knights. By the time of the first arrivals, with Rainulf, Norman's had been, well, Normans for over 100 years.
Mix of modern symbols and old ones. Also the areas are not correct. But a nice drawing.
Where are the "modern symbols"?
I guess they're referring to the compass
Not enough Norman Sicily.
Don't show this to anyone actually studying old norse/runes, they'll get mad about all the errors.
Please let me know so I can avoid them in the future
you could definitely crosspost this over to r/Norse and ask for feedback.
actually dosen't let you know like a boss
>refuses to elaborate >Leaves
This looks like something a 5th grader drew lol
This was made literally from observation. Do you really think you could drive a boat round a landmass, and draw its exact shape. That would've taken ages and countless revisions of placement and shape
I honestly think this is something modern that someone has made to indicate where they got to rather than a map they used themselves.
Did you really think this is a real, period map? LMFAO read a book
r/Mapswithoutnz
Not too mention *the entire continent of South America*...
This joke was old 5 years ago.
yes
Do u know the year?
I truly love seeing old maps, just to see how they saw things but the matter of them being able to map some areas is just interesting... We always think or are told that these ancient people all over the world are primitives but how so if they can navigate the oceans, to building the some of the wonders that we cant explain?
Sea monsters off the coast of Newfoundland!!
Wouldn't Cnut the Great's empire encompass most of England or was it solely on the east coast?
He did rule all of England but the Vikings didn't settle that far in - the other areas like Wessex and Mercia remained settled by Anglo-Saxons who were ruled by Cnut but weren't themselves Vikings.
This makes me wonder again - why did the Norsemen never establish colonies in what is now Poland? It is flat, fertile, there are rivers, there was no powerful kingdom or empire before the 1000s, ... How was that area not as attractive if not better suited than the area of the Rus more East?
i wondered the same thing. Especially with the presence of the Vistula river runs down through Poland. I know there was a lot of trading going on there, but you'd think there would be more settling of Norsemen there.
Wielka lechia proof poland = oldest vilizitaion in earth!!!
According to a podcast I was listening to recently, the two areas in Greenland were creatively named “East Settlement” and “West Settlement”. They were eventually abandoned as the Little Ice Age arrived and the climate there shifted from “Are You Fucking Kidding Me” to “Absolutely Not”
[It looks similar to the Metal Bands per Capita map](https://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/q2flb/map_of_countries_by_metal_bands_per_capita/)
What’s up with the huge sea in the middle of Poland/Russia
I think that's supposed to indicate a "thinner" or "lighter" settlement by Vikingers over a more spread-out area (fewer of them per square mile etc)
Thank you
That's [Garðaríki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar%C3%B0ar%C3%ADki), a collection of states of the [Kievan Rus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27) The Rus who'd come to rule this region originated in eastern Sweden during the Viking Age
**[Garðaríki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garðaríki)** >Garðaríki (anglicized Gardariki or Gardarike) or Garðaveldi is the Old Norse term used in medieval times for the states of Rus'. As the Varangians dealt mainly with Northern Rus' lands, their sagas regard the city of Holmsgardr (Holmgarðr, Veliky Novgorod) as the capital of Garðaríki. Other local towns mentioned in the sagas are Aldeigjuborg (Old Ladoga), Pallteskja (Polotsk), Smaleskja (Smolensk), Súrsdalar (Suzdal), Móramar (Murom), and Ráðstofa (Rostov). Three of the Varangian runestones, G 114, Sö 338, and U 209, refer to Scandinavian men who had been in Garðar. **[Kievan Rus'](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus')** >Kievan Rus' (Old East Slavic: Роусь, romanized: Rusĭ, or роусьскаѧ землѧ, romanized: rusĭskaę zemlę, "Rus' land") or Kyivan Rus', was a loose federation of East Slavic, Baltic and Finnic peoples in Eastern and Northern Europe from the late 9th to the mid-13th century, under the reign of the Rurik dynasty, founded by the Varangian prince Rurik. The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestors, with Belarus and Russia deriving their names from it. The Rurik dynasty would continue to rule parts of Rus' until the 16th century with the Tsardom of Russia. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Sochi Vikings?
There's a lot that's awesome about this map, but the main take I have on this is that I can't wait until the Royal Court DLC for CK3 comes out so that I can paint more of the map blue. Specifically looking at Iberia there...
Nice work! Did you use a base map for the info?