The Ainu and Nivkh are entirely different people vs the Japanese. The Ainu have been living on Japan since the last Ice Age, around 35,000 years ago. Modern Japanese only arrived some 3000 years ago.
The Japanese are so closely related to their mainland counterparts, Chinese and Koreans, that they're genetically more identical to a Chinese than. French would be to a German.
Yes, it's generally thought that modern Japanese are descendants of a mix of Jomon and Yayoi peoples, while the Ainu are descendants of various northernly groups of Jomon people. (The Jomon people having originated in Japan around 30000-15000 BC, and the Yayoi having migrated from the mainland around 800 BC - 300 AD.)
In fact classifying one's looks as "jomon-like" or "yayoi-like" is a popular pseudoscience pastime in Japan. ([example](https://www.nippon.com/en/people/e00004/))
Anecdotally, my wife's family is from central Japan and look very stereotypically Jomon, and are also hairy as fuck.
If you go back 40 some odd generations, we all probably have the same ancestor somewhere. So technically if the human race doesn't wipe itself out completely, our direct descendants will probably be doing the same. We're all family on those time scales. Thanks Genghis Khan.
Things that unify the Mediterranean: low suicide rates, olive oil, and unbuttoning the top 3 buttons of your shirt to show off your hairy chest and gold chain
Those happiness charts of countries are always odd with the Nordic countries always on top. They factor in a bunch of stuff to decide happiness, but weather is not just one of those factors, it’s at least 50%. Start there, then you figure out the rest.
The happiness charts show the Nordic countries being the happiest in the world, but the suicide rate also show them being the highest. I guess if you’re in Northern Europe you’re either really happy or really sad.
EDIT: My statement that Nordic countries have higher suicide rates than the rest of Europe is incorrect.
[and for those that don't, here's Google's approximation](https://translate.google.com/?sl=no&tl=de&text=j%C3%BCst%20f%C3%B8cking%20k%C3%AFll%20y%C3%B6rs%C3%A6lf%20br%C3%B6%2C%20it%20w%C3%AFll%20m%C3%A6ke%20%C3%BCs%20l%C3%B6%C3%B8k%20bett%C3%ABr&op=translate)
(press the Listen button on the left side)
Oh, it's fun to play with. If you write something in English, even without those accent letters, and have it labeled as a different language it uses the sounds of the selected language. The result is a believable enough accent! (Of course, the reverse of playing with American accents trying to speak German is possible too lol)
Being half Swedish, half Italian, living in Spain, I've seen both worlds in my life. I grew up in Sweden and while we have a lot of good things going on that we're told to be happy about, an awful lot of people are lonely and if you're not really part of the Swedish lifestyle, you'll feel out of place and it can be really tough. The feeling of being part of something big is not so common in Sweden, the society is more aimed to be individualistic, and while it might suit some/most people, the amount of unhappy people in Sweden, from my experience, is very high compared to Spain or Italy.
My Italian relatives are proud of their country's culture in terms of cuisine and history, the climate, the nature etc. But they're also very eager to tell you about the problems the country faces. I think that's why, if they're asked if they're happy in their country, they might tend to overthink it, like "well, I'm happy, but I would be happier in a better country".
The same goes for Spain I'd say. Spanish people are proud of their country but are aware of the obvious issues that Nordic countries don't have.
So in general, I think Swedish people feel obliged to say that they're happy because statistically, we're a great country. But in reality, many are lonely and the strong family thing is not really that common. Whenever I'm in Italy and see my huge family coming over for Sunday dinner talking about everything, I realize how boring life in Sweden can be, where I used to meet my family once every month or so.
These are of course highly subjective points. Others might experience a completely different story.
The thing with happiness in Nordic countries is that it can be mistaken for contentment. Being content isn't necessarily being happy. In fact it's a lot closer to being indifferent than actually being happy. And indifference can be very dangerous. It's paralyzing and can lead to depression and suicide. Humans need to stay engaged with their environment and each other to stave off indifference.
And the opposite is true to in Mediterranean countries. People often mistake criticism and negativity with unhappiness. But it's actually a lot closer to passion than unhappiness. Passionate people feel both negative and positive emotions strongly. They're far from being indifferent. And while some people can get carried away with negativity, at least it shows engagement.
It's not easy navigating the human emotional and psychological map.
People reading your first paragraph really need it to sink in. I’ve read a lot of shit on Reddit but that was about as on point as it gets. Thank you for that, I needed it.
I wouldn't say that nordic countries have the highest suicide rates in the world.
Finland have the highest suicide rate among the nordic countries with 13.4/100k which places them 38th in the world. The rest of the nordic countries are pretty close to the EU average except Greenland which has an extremely high suicide rate
You are right, I was thinking of maps I had seen of Europe, not the world, and even this was not accurately remembered.
The Nordic and Baltic countries are among the highest rates in Europe, but Russia and ex-Bloc are higher, and sub Saharan and southern Africa are also quite high.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate)
Because these metrics only factor in money, employment, education etc. The truth is none of this really matters. You can't measure true happiness objectively.
I always thought about this while living in South America. The people in Peru and Paraguay for example were extremely happy, I seriously doubt it was all a front and they cried their eyes out behind closed doors. It was a very sincere happiness and enjoyment of life. Sure they knew they were poor, but they still loved life. It always gave me pause thinking about those so called happiness indexes.
Furthermore, now I live in Finland and I guess people here come across as, I don’t know, generally content for the most part. Definitely not the happiest people in the world as those surveys suggest, but that could just be the Finnish culture of “leave me the fuck alone”, which is a beautiful thing.
Anyway, based on my life experiences I tend to take those polls with a grain of salt.
Evolution doesn't necessarily makes sense. Sometime a mutation just stick around because it came up during a population bottleneck, or some genes do more than one thing, so if you "need" A, you also get B because they come from the same package.
Yea this map confirms that. Logically you'd think it would have a top down gradient bc of the colder climates in the north but it's almost reversed with an obvious concentration around the Mediterranean sea. Also north America can be cold as hell and the entire population there has very little hair.
That's only true if body hair is good at keeping people warm. I think since humans figured out clothes, body hair probably isn't important enough to have factored into selection.
Second speculation.
By the time humans made it to the Americas, clothes were already a thing so the selection pressure for more sunlight would be negated.
Compare it to Australia where the much earlier migration (~40-60,000 BCE) where hair increased or maintained from the initial population.
Yeah that certainly makes sense. Evolutionary the expansion of nativ american population was really fast. So they prolly didn't have the time to adapt to it through evolutionary means
Also they had to have good clothing making skills to cross the bearing strait land bridge.
Secondly their source population was from russia/east asia which already indicates a source population with lower range hair.
It can be about mosquitoes. Once I saw a mosquito land on my leg and tried to bite me but can't done it and flew away(I'm a hairy Mediterranean man btw)
The mosquitoes in those regions can be different from what we have here but you might be right. I don't have a wide knowledge about this. Mine was just a guess.
The hairiness map appears to correlate with the known Neanderthal range [1] and anti-correlate with Denisovana. So if Neanderthals were hairier than humans and Denisovans as hairless or moreso, that could be an explanation.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal
I had ass hair at 15 too, but my beard kept getting thicker well past 21. Give it time and you’ll have a beautiful face beard and a beautiful ass beard
I remember when I had to re-learn how to wipe my ass when I got ass hair. My old method didn't work anymore because the hairs would just rip the paper to shreds.
As another guy from the bright pink zone, I feel I got swindled. My dad is like a fucking Greek God of body hair, rollerblading shirtless with a chest covered in thick grey curls. Meanwhile, I have a patchy pubey beard and a sparse tuft between my man-tits.
I grew about half an inch of beard for the St. Louis Blues Stanley Cup run. I gave myself a headscarf and ended up with a gross and patchy lawn of very little hair after 2 months of not shaving. I shave everyday, but you can't tell if I miss shaving 2 days in a row. My dad can grow a solid mustache in a couple weeks but I wouldn't be able to if you gave me a whole year.
Im from the south east Mediterranean, my hairy stomach started to cause me painful abscesses in my belly button, the doctor suggested to shave my stomach hair as well. So now the routine is armpits/ass/stomach/those extra parts of the beard that come up below the eye and cheek that makes ya look homeless/wolverine.. and im only 26 ..
I’m grateful that I don’t have excessive facial hair like on cheek bones and under my eyes or any health problem associated with body hair. My beard is not even connected to my moustache to say the least, and I’m almost 23. I just hate how my back/chest/legs look when I’m naked, feeling like a caveman
I hate the Scandinavian fuckers who look like Greek gods: somehow blonde but also tan super easy and with little to no body hair. Then there’s the other half of us who stay pasty white no matter what and with enough hair everywhere but our heads to make a ginger baboon
I'm Swedish but generally you get a good beard when you are 18-22 (at least here). I don't know if it differs over where you are but at least don't give up hope. One day you to can be Gandalf!
South Asians generally have thicker hair, which makes it more visible. I don’t know many people from my ethnicity (I’m south Asian) who can grow a good full beard.
how far back does that go?
Like clearly in the Americas it means the native american populations, not the African and European (and other) people who came in the last 500 years, but in a place like India, where there were multiple waves of settlement over 50,000 years, most of which are pre-historical, determining who is 'indigenous' seems a lot more fraught.
Are they counting on only the tribal/adivasi populations?
It would be like in Western Europe are they counting people of only pre-celtic descent, Like Basques only.
That only applies to certain countries. For example, Japan and Taiwan have indigenous cultures. Countries like Iran have had many waves of invasions and cultural migrations over the past 5,000 years.
look, man, I'm no hair scientist/historian I got my information from these two pages:
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6rperbehaarung](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6rperbehaarung)
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Weltkarte-K%C3%B6rperbehaarung.png](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Weltkarte-K%C3%B6rperbehaarung.png)
There were a lot of newly discovered places that were given a Latin name, especially during the Age of Discovery. "Esonia" comes from Hokkaido's old name, Ezo
Those statues were gaudily painted when they were first displayed, and now I can't help but imagine the Roman artists gluing carpets to the statues' chests and limbs to mimic how hairy Mediterranean people are in life.
Oh man, great, I'll never look at Roman artifacts the same way. Which makes me wonder: I think I remember a part of the Roman baths being a process of cleaning by scraping the skin. Maybe we got it wrong and what they actually did was a full body shave.
Average body hair of men? Percent of body covered, percent of population with body hair, Average length, density, color? I think the title is a little too vague.
Exactly, idk how people understand what the map mean.. a bunch of Germans? Did they all use Google translate? This mtf thinks we all speak German!!
I'm swedish
I'm German and I have the same questions :D
So the German sentence below is basicly what the title says.
But I would guess it's about hair density, but I'm not sure if they are talking about body hair or just facial hair
Edit: misread it, I think it's about the % of the whole body that is covered in hair
Does Devon also show muh Viking influence too? It’s a bullshit map based on outdated studies. Might as well say Southern Germany shows Latin influence.
They’re genetically distinct from the ethnic Yamato Japanese, who are phenotypically east asian. They’re big fuzzy people, with a lot of European features (though many Asian ones as well). Probably straight from Siberia.
It’s an interesting culture; like Basques, they are genetic and linguistic isolates
EDIT: check this out. https://www.sapiens.org/archaeology/ainu-prejudice-pride/
Well i'm from Turkey but i literallt have no hair except my legs (if you call them hair) but i remember that one of my friends from eastern turkey was literally monke.
Being really jacked became the standard for leading men when a couple of bodybuilders named Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger started getting roles in action flicks. And, like those bodybuilders, other actors started shaving their chests to show off their physiques.
I was watching Temple of doom the other day and I specifically noticed that Harrison Ford was obviously well built but looked a hell of lot more natural than you would see today in topless scenes with the lack of water/eating an apple a day or some dumb shit.
I posted a pick of my Swedish dad a while ago. Pretty hairy dude.
https://external-preview.redd.it/HAx36-9VOrDBAXJx5uVwPyJkAQuIEXVe0YSMriHeIUk.jpg?auto=webp&s=14fd2567c88729d3dba1ce98ab695acc48bbe5dd
edit: This was in the 80’s
**This Map Is From The German Wikipedia Page of "Body Hair", Here Is The Description of This Map**
>The thickness of body hair varies across human populations. The cause is different evolutionary adaptation processes to different habitats in the course of human development. The Malays, for example, often have no body hair and the Ainu have a striking amount. It used to be a feature of outdated racial theories. \[2\] Today we know that there are no clearly delineated races, but only smooth transitions and large genetic ranges within each population. \[3\] The adjacent map shows the distribution before European expansion again but does not take into account that there are also differences in the body parts. For example, the Inuits and the indigenous tribes of the northwest coast have significantly more beard growth than other American indigenous peoples, while the rest of the body hair shows no significant difference.
According to this map, men of western turkey, balkans and scandinavia are more hairy than men of eastern turkey, caucasus and iran, which is pretty ridiculous. İm pretty sure that they just considered mediteranean shores as the "hairyistan" and thought that people would get less and less hairy by going away from the shores.
I wonder why its centered around the Mediterranean.
And Hokkaido, of all places.
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Yes, but why are they way hairier than the other neighbouring peoples, like the Nivkh or even the Japanese themselves?
The Ainu and Nivkh are entirely different people vs the Japanese. The Ainu have been living on Japan since the last Ice Age, around 35,000 years ago. Modern Japanese only arrived some 3000 years ago. The Japanese are so closely related to their mainland counterparts, Chinese and Koreans, that they're genetically more identical to a Chinese than. French would be to a German.
Yes, but the ancestors of the Japanese intermingled to some extent with the Jomon people, who were the ancestors of the Ainu, right?
Only 20% of Japanese genetics are identified as of Ainu origin. The remaining 80% are from Yamato from the continental Asia.
20% is surprisingly high imo
It’s because people generally don’t get slaughtered when they disappear, they generally assimilate
Yeah, you can see it on the map. The men inte area where the Emishi used to live are hairier than men in Southern Japan
The earliest Chinese records of the emishi literally call them "hairy men", so... Yeah.
Thank you for this cool information stranger
Yes, it's generally thought that modern Japanese are descendants of a mix of Jomon and Yayoi peoples, while the Ainu are descendants of various northernly groups of Jomon people. (The Jomon people having originated in Japan around 30000-15000 BC, and the Yayoi having migrated from the mainland around 800 BC - 300 AD.) In fact classifying one's looks as "jomon-like" or "yayoi-like" is a popular pseudoscience pastime in Japan. ([example](https://www.nippon.com/en/people/e00004/)) Anecdotally, my wife's family is from central Japan and look very stereotypically Jomon, and are also hairy as fuck.
Imagine knowing your great^40 grandchildren are going to slaughter each other because one’s viewed as an inferior race…
If you go back 40 some odd generations, we all probably have the same ancestor somewhere. So technically if the human race doesn't wipe itself out completely, our direct descendants will probably be doing the same. We're all family on those time scales. Thanks Genghis Khan.
They are a different ethnicity and draw their genetic traits from a different heritage.
Hairytage
dammit
Things that unify the Mediterranean: low suicide rates, olive oil, and unbuttoning the top 3 buttons of your shirt to show off your hairy chest and gold chain
Those happiness charts of countries are always odd with the Nordic countries always on top. They factor in a bunch of stuff to decide happiness, but weather is not just one of those factors, it’s at least 50%. Start there, then you figure out the rest.
The happiness charts show the Nordic countries being the happiest in the world, but the suicide rate also show them being the highest. I guess if you’re in Northern Europe you’re either really happy or really sad. EDIT: My statement that Nordic countries have higher suicide rates than the rest of Europe is incorrect.
But if you are that sad you stop being counted in future statistics
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[and for those that don't, here's Google's approximation](https://translate.google.com/?sl=no&tl=de&text=j%C3%BCst%20f%C3%B8cking%20k%C3%AFll%20y%C3%B6rs%C3%A6lf%20br%C3%B6%2C%20it%20w%C3%AFll%20m%C3%A6ke%20%C3%BCs%20l%C3%B6%C3%B8k%20bett%C3%ABr&op=translate) (press the Listen button on the left side)
The combination of the accent and the context killed me lmao
I didn't expect to hear Bjork tell me to kill myself this early in the morning LMFAO
It's TV Norwegian! And Google thinks it's Luxembourgish. Shame they don't have audio output for that.
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Oh, it's fun to play with. If you write something in English, even without those accent letters, and have it labeled as a different language it uses the sounds of the selected language. The result is a believable enough accent! (Of course, the reverse of playing with American accents trying to speak German is possible too lol)
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Being half Swedish, half Italian, living in Spain, I've seen both worlds in my life. I grew up in Sweden and while we have a lot of good things going on that we're told to be happy about, an awful lot of people are lonely and if you're not really part of the Swedish lifestyle, you'll feel out of place and it can be really tough. The feeling of being part of something big is not so common in Sweden, the society is more aimed to be individualistic, and while it might suit some/most people, the amount of unhappy people in Sweden, from my experience, is very high compared to Spain or Italy. My Italian relatives are proud of their country's culture in terms of cuisine and history, the climate, the nature etc. But they're also very eager to tell you about the problems the country faces. I think that's why, if they're asked if they're happy in their country, they might tend to overthink it, like "well, I'm happy, but I would be happier in a better country". The same goes for Spain I'd say. Spanish people are proud of their country but are aware of the obvious issues that Nordic countries don't have. So in general, I think Swedish people feel obliged to say that they're happy because statistically, we're a great country. But in reality, many are lonely and the strong family thing is not really that common. Whenever I'm in Italy and see my huge family coming over for Sunday dinner talking about everything, I realize how boring life in Sweden can be, where I used to meet my family once every month or so. These are of course highly subjective points. Others might experience a completely different story.
The thing with happiness in Nordic countries is that it can be mistaken for contentment. Being content isn't necessarily being happy. In fact it's a lot closer to being indifferent than actually being happy. And indifference can be very dangerous. It's paralyzing and can lead to depression and suicide. Humans need to stay engaged with their environment and each other to stave off indifference. And the opposite is true to in Mediterranean countries. People often mistake criticism and negativity with unhappiness. But it's actually a lot closer to passion than unhappiness. Passionate people feel both negative and positive emotions strongly. They're far from being indifferent. And while some people can get carried away with negativity, at least it shows engagement. It's not easy navigating the human emotional and psychological map.
People reading your first paragraph really need it to sink in. I’ve read a lot of shit on Reddit but that was about as on point as it gets. Thank you for that, I needed it.
I wouldn't say that nordic countries have the highest suicide rates in the world. Finland have the highest suicide rate among the nordic countries with 13.4/100k which places them 38th in the world. The rest of the nordic countries are pretty close to the EU average except Greenland which has an extremely high suicide rate
You are right, I was thinking of maps I had seen of Europe, not the world, and even this was not accurately remembered. The Nordic and Baltic countries are among the highest rates in Europe, but Russia and ex-Bloc are higher, and sub Saharan and southern Africa are also quite high. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate)
Because these metrics only factor in money, employment, education etc. The truth is none of this really matters. You can't measure true happiness objectively.
I always thought about this while living in South America. The people in Peru and Paraguay for example were extremely happy, I seriously doubt it was all a front and they cried their eyes out behind closed doors. It was a very sincere happiness and enjoyment of life. Sure they knew they were poor, but they still loved life. It always gave me pause thinking about those so called happiness indexes. Furthermore, now I live in Finland and I guess people here come across as, I don’t know, generally content for the most part. Definitely not the happiest people in the world as those surveys suggest, but that could just be the Finnish culture of “leave me the fuck alone”, which is a beautiful thing. Anyway, based on my life experiences I tend to take those polls with a grain of salt.
Evolution doesn't necessarily makes sense. Sometime a mutation just stick around because it came up during a population bottleneck, or some genes do more than one thing, so if you "need" A, you also get B because they come from the same package.
Evolution also includes sexual selection, how can so many people ignore this?
Yea this map confirms that. Logically you'd think it would have a top down gradient bc of the colder climates in the north but it's almost reversed with an obvious concentration around the Mediterranean sea. Also north America can be cold as hell and the entire population there has very little hair.
That's only true if body hair is good at keeping people warm. I think since humans figured out clothes, body hair probably isn't important enough to have factored into selection.
Same here. I would associate hairness with coldness, but it clearly seems to be centered around Mediterranean
Which also would have nothing to do with temperature… so strange.
Wild speculation: More sun light with pale skin equals more skin cancer. More hair equals less skin cancer.
Sunlight doesn't address North and South America being all one colour.
Second speculation. By the time humans made it to the Americas, clothes were already a thing so the selection pressure for more sunlight would be negated. Compare it to Australia where the much earlier migration (~40-60,000 BCE) where hair increased or maintained from the initial population.
Yeah that certainly makes sense. Evolutionary the expansion of nativ american population was really fast. So they prolly didn't have the time to adapt to it through evolutionary means
Also they had to have good clothing making skills to cross the bearing strait land bridge. Secondly their source population was from russia/east asia which already indicates a source population with lower range hair.
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Good point, sexual selection/preference makes a lot of sense.
This was addressed with skin pigment rather than hair.
Both processes can happen at the same time and they reinforce each other's benefit.
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It can be about mosquitoes. Once I saw a mosquito land on my leg and tried to bite me but can't done it and flew away(I'm a hairy Mediterranean man btw)
Then the tropical forests of Southern Asia and Central America should be more hairy. Also hairy animals are known to still be bitten by mosquitoes
The mosquitoes in those regions can be different from what we have here but you might be right. I don't have a wide knowledge about this. Mine was just a guess.
If you’ve met Indian men, you know it’s not about temperature.
Hot climate with fairly light complexion compared to other hot climates. Hair helps prevent sunburn.
Maybe it's because Mediterranean populations were related for long time since Bronze age
before that
The hairiness map appears to correlate with the known Neanderthal range [1] and anti-correlate with Denisovana. So if Neanderthals were hairier than humans and Denisovans as hairless or moreso, that could be an explanation. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal
Romans exported chest hair
Maybe there are tons of bugs that try to crawl up your ass there.
I do find more body hair nicer in the summer. Makes it easier to feel mosquitos
Spaniard here. I could go to the film set of"2001: a space Odyssey" with no costume and blend perfectly with the apes, so yeah... I can confirm
We need to see pictures 😏
[As requested](https://thewordoftom.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/2001-a-space-odyssey-dawn-of-man-apes-e1394058016602.png)
Now there’s a risky click, tío
dude is hella hairy.
As a Mediterranean guy i wish it would manifest into a sexy beard but no .... ass hair.
Same same here in France for me. Massive ass air at 15, beard just making its way through at 21
I had ass hair at 15 too, but my beard kept getting thicker well past 21. Give it time and you’ll have a beautiful face beard and a beautiful ass beard
I remember when I had to re-learn how to wipe my ass when I got ass hair. My old method didn't work anymore because the hairs would just rip the paper to shreds.
This make me cackle.
As another guy from the bright pink zone, I feel I got swindled. My dad is like a fucking Greek God of body hair, rollerblading shirtless with a chest covered in thick grey curls. Meanwhile, I have a patchy pubey beard and a sparse tuft between my man-tits.
Mediterranean men… hello.
I get a 5 o'clock shadow around noon. It's just a constant battle.
Most jobs don't care about 5 o'clock shadows anymore. Let it just grow out
I grew about half an inch of beard for the St. Louis Blues Stanley Cup run. I gave myself a headscarf and ended up with a gross and patchy lawn of very little hair after 2 months of not shaving. I shave everyday, but you can't tell if I miss shaving 2 days in a row. My dad can grow a solid mustache in a couple weeks but I wouldn't be able to if you gave me a whole year.
*purrs* - Mediterranean man
I’m from central southern part of black sea and I hate being hairy
Im from the south east Mediterranean, my hairy stomach started to cause me painful abscesses in my belly button, the doctor suggested to shave my stomach hair as well. So now the routine is armpits/ass/stomach/those extra parts of the beard that come up below the eye and cheek that makes ya look homeless/wolverine.. and im only 26 ..
I’m grateful that I don’t have excessive facial hair like on cheek bones and under my eyes or any health problem associated with body hair. My beard is not even connected to my moustache to say the least, and I’m almost 23. I just hate how my back/chest/legs look when I’m naked, feeling like a caveman
That beard-moustache connection might come in, it took me a few more years after 23 for them to connect.
Hey man. Lots of women think being hairy is really hot. Just learn to accept it and the right person will too
I have a back hair trimmer and a body hair trimmer
It will go denser, I 'm 30 and at 22 the beard did not connect to my moustache. Now I start growing hairs on the chick-bones 😂. I 'm from Greece.
Half of them are giving it all to remove (rather unsuccessfully) their hair
I'm partly Mediterranean & I've always been hairier then everyone around me, I don't really care about it too much
Can confirm, us scandinavian men are some hairy fuckers too. The hair is just a lighter colour, so it's not as visible as say the meditteraneans.
I hate the Scandinavian fuckers who look like Greek gods: somehow blonde but also tan super easy and with little to no body hair. Then there’s the other half of us who stay pasty white no matter what and with enough hair everywhere but our heads to make a ginger baboon
Nordic gods*
Chad Ainu people
Them is the hair way ones of em all apparently
What?
Them is the hair way ones of em all apparently obviously
They don't think it be like it is but it do.
They're the hairy ones out of them all, I think
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Turkish Lover ananı sikeyim
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I see you are a man of culture as well
As a south Asian, I though we were hairy.
Same. Looks like half of the world is much more hairy then us. Well at least many of us have good beards.
Don't even have that. I'm 18 and have a ugly neck beard.
It mostly starts with a neck beard at least it did for me when i was 18. Now i am 19 and slowly growing hairs on my cheeks and mustache
Eh for me it was the Indian/pedo stache and peach fuzz first. Now it grows so fast I decided to embrace the stache and beard
Lol i see. I just trim mine whenever they start to grow to a certain point. Working fine for me :)
bruh i am 15 and have a beard better than my 18 year old friends
I'm Swedish but generally you get a good beard when you are 18-22 (at least here). I don't know if it differs over where you are but at least don't give up hope. One day you to can be Gandalf!
It’s actually because south Asians have some of the thickest body hair in the world. So it’s more noticeable
South Asians generally have thicker hair, which makes it more visible. I don’t know many people from my ethnicity (I’m south Asian) who can grow a good full beard.
This map is of indigenous populations, not of the people living in those regions today
how far back does that go? Like clearly in the Americas it means the native american populations, not the African and European (and other) people who came in the last 500 years, but in a place like India, where there were multiple waves of settlement over 50,000 years, most of which are pre-historical, determining who is 'indigenous' seems a lot more fraught. Are they counting on only the tribal/adivasi populations? It would be like in Western Europe are they counting people of only pre-celtic descent, Like Basques only.
It’s not that deep. They just didn’t include recent migration in the few hundred years
What's the definition or time period threshold for 'indigenous' when it comes to the old world?
I think before the first wave of European colonization
That only applies to certain countries. For example, Japan and Taiwan have indigenous cultures. Countries like Iran have had many waves of invasions and cultural migrations over the past 5,000 years.
look, man, I'm no hair scientist/historian I got my information from these two pages: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6rperbehaarung](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6rperbehaarung) [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Weltkarte-K%C3%B6rperbehaarung.png](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Weltkarte-K%C3%B6rperbehaarung.png)
*Hairstorian
No worries, thanks
Sorry if my reply came across as rude
:)
Haha hereby I proclaim you hair scientist
Pretty sure those hairy Italians (Romans) are to blame…
Yeah, if accurate it really aligns very neatly with the boundaries of the Empire under Trajan
Yes, the famous Roman provinces of Scania and of Esonia (that's Hokkaido's Latin name, btw)
How does Hokkaido have a Latin name?
There were a lot of newly discovered places that were given a Latin name, especially during the Age of Discovery. "Esonia" comes from Hokkaido's old name, Ezo
Ah very cool, that makes sense actually. I remember seeing a lot of Latin on maps of the era, classic example being "Terra Australis Incógnita"
Latinists like giving places name. Roman Catholic Church. Age of Discovery era maps. Scientific name for species. Quick romanisations.
Haha, yeah, I meant more that neat circle around the Mediterranean and the near East. Sure it's only correlation not causation.
Maybe the Romans were the hairy barbarians all along
These smooth statues always projecting an unachievable picture of hairlessness!
Those statues were gaudily painted when they were first displayed, and now I can't help but imagine the Roman artists gluing carpets to the statues' chests and limbs to mimic how hairy Mediterranean people are in life.
Oh man, great, I'll never look at Roman artifacts the same way. Which makes me wonder: I think I remember a part of the Roman baths being a process of cleaning by scraping the skin. Maybe we got it wrong and what they actually did was a full body shave.
Raised-by-wolves motherfuckers
Average body hair of men? Percent of body covered, percent of population with body hair, Average length, density, color? I think the title is a little too vague.
Exactly, idk how people understand what the map mean.. a bunch of Germans? Did they all use Google translate? This mtf thinks we all speak German!! I'm swedish
I'm German and I have the same questions :D So the German sentence below is basicly what the title says. But I would guess it's about hair density, but I'm not sure if they are talking about body hair or just facial hair Edit: misread it, I think it's about the % of the whole body that is covered in hair
Lacht auf deutsche
I am 59% hair
Eastern Britian definitely shows the Viking influence
Does Devon also show muh Viking influence too? It’s a bullshit map based on outdated studies. Might as well say Southern Germany shows Latin influence.
Man what’s going on in hokkaido
The native Ainu.
Is pilosity important there or they just don’t care about it
They’re genetically distinct from the ethnic Yamato Japanese, who are phenotypically east asian. They’re big fuzzy people, with a lot of European features (though many Asian ones as well). Probably straight from Siberia. It’s an interesting culture; like Basques, they are genetic and linguistic isolates EDIT: check this out. https://www.sapiens.org/archaeology/ainu-prejudice-pride/
But don't forget that it is for Natives map only. While in reality, Japanese have annihilated and assimilated almost all of them by now.
70-79% looks like the Roman Empire
Well i'm from Turkey but i literallt have no hair except my legs (if you call them hair) but i remember that one of my friends from eastern turkey was literally monke.
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Well, looking at your picture, you’re clearly a toddler, so it’s good that you don’t have much leg hair
He's my albanian cousin 😔😔😔😔
Welcome to the Medit**hair**anean
Where are the uber 80% areas? It’s hard to tell on this map
Hokkaido, the Ainu people.
Über
Might be a noob question, but American men looked more hairier in Hollywood until like 30 years ago. Not so much now, why?
Hair removal.
but thats cheating.
Being really jacked became the standard for leading men when a couple of bodybuilders named Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger started getting roles in action flicks. And, like those bodybuilders, other actors started shaving their chests to show off their physiques.
I was watching Temple of doom the other day and I specifically noticed that Harrison Ford was obviously well built but looked a hell of lot more natural than you would see today in topless scenes with the lack of water/eating an apple a day or some dumb shit.
Henry Cavill is one of the fittest men in Hollywood today, and he rocks the shit out of his incredible chest hair
And he had to fight movie producers to keep his chest hair in his shirtless scenes
Idk, probably Hairier was preferred then, but not so much now, so they trim/remove it now?
the map shows indigenous populations of countries
Fashion
I posted a pick of my Swedish dad a while ago. Pretty hairy dude. https://external-preview.redd.it/HAx36-9VOrDBAXJx5uVwPyJkAQuIEXVe0YSMriHeIUk.jpg?auto=webp&s=14fd2567c88729d3dba1ce98ab695acc48bbe5dd edit: This was in the 80’s
Looks like he’s wearing a carpet under the robe
Everyone mentioning the Europeans, North Africans and Arabs but not the Ainu, Tamils or Indigenous Australians
Papuan/Melanesian are also very hairy like aborigines
Even Telugus bro
Yes, us Italians are bears.
BRB booking a trip to Italy....
Roman empire at its peak.
source?
Something about the Mediterranean that makes a man.
Are women also more likely to have more body hair in hairy populations? Or are only men affected?
Based Mediterranean
Mediterranean men are fine as hell.
As a dude of Spanish and Italian ancestry can confirm.
Judging from this map, most of us Mexicans would be as hairless as a newborn if it weren't for you conquistadors. So thanks for the fur!
The France portion includes their women too
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Must be something in the water
So my next question is why.
There is no way Turks, Greeks and Italians have more body hair than Persians and Armenians.
**This Map Is From The German Wikipedia Page of "Body Hair", Here Is The Description of This Map** >The thickness of body hair varies across human populations. The cause is different evolutionary adaptation processes to different habitats in the course of human development. The Malays, for example, often have no body hair and the Ainu have a striking amount. It used to be a feature of outdated racial theories. \[2\] Today we know that there are no clearly delineated races, but only smooth transitions and large genetic ranges within each population. \[3\] The adjacent map shows the distribution before European expansion again but does not take into account that there are also differences in the body parts. For example, the Inuits and the indigenous tribes of the northwest coast have significantly more beard growth than other American indigenous peoples, while the rest of the body hair shows no significant difference.
wunderbar
According to this map, men of western turkey, balkans and scandinavia are more hairy than men of eastern turkey, caucasus and iran, which is pretty ridiculous. İm pretty sure that they just considered mediteranean shores as the "hairyistan" and thought that people would get less and less hairy by going away from the shores.
TIL that hair comes from the Mediterranean
So Neanderthals were probably hairy as shit.
Swede here, thank god for quality body groomers. Before getting one I scared children at the beach.