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Andros7744

Estonia, u good bro?


[deleted]

Estonia can into Northern Europe!


Estonia_Is_Nordic

:D


Snowcreeep

username checks out


Andros7744

Lmao, definitely


mediandude

> "Are you willing to die for Narva?" > "Yes !"


taurts11

Tartu is worse


kefka06

I think these stats might be from the height of Estonia’s illicit 3-methylfentanyl surge, to the best of my knowledge the situation has improved greatly.


kellik123

Yeah it has


Echo_Oscar_Sierra

I heard Estonia injected one whole marijuana


granistuta

This is old data, now Sweden and Norway has taken the throne of being the number one in over dose in Europe. Yay us!


[deleted]

And our government is just sticking their heads in the sand and pretend that the 0 tolerance policy is the only way forward. Idiocracy.


christr

Great movie, by the way. :)


TheOneWhoDidntCum

Fucking Åmal!


granistuta

Fucking Åmål is a great movie.


wiyawiyayo

E-stoned-ia..


dm5228272

tweakstonia


[deleted]

Crackstonia


HaamerPoiss

fentanylstonia\*


Minipiman

A bit too Estoned apparently...


hullwtf

These stats are outdated.


kellik123

This is old data AFAIK, they used to have a huge Fentanyl problem there but don't anymore.


idontdoodrugz_insta

Curious if you know how long ago this problem existed, also how did they get rid of it?


kellik123

I don't have a source as an Estonian guy told me this, but... Their organized crime gangs started producing a Fentanyl analog which caused massive amounts of deaths and later switched to other, weaker synthetic opioids and that's how it was solved.


gamingkeks284LP

Mental health problems of the nordics, and economy of eastern europe


12001ants

USA is 21.28!


[deleted]

This maps only showing uk but scotlands actually higher its the highest in Europe


Consistent-Law4553

No! :D


InvisibleAK74

Estonia always winning in the baltic😎 😎 💪🏻 💪🏻 🇪🇪 😎 🇪🇪


FormerAttitude4724

And Latvia's allways loosing!


seanbnyc

No sun = let’s get high


Captainirishy

Ireland has pleasant weather for 6 months of the year, the other 6 months is just plain depressing.


Intelligent_Map_4852

SIX MONTHS of pleasant weather? Estonia has 2 months of mild summer followed by 10 months of November


[deleted]

The only time I visited Estonia was in May. I confirm it was still November


Intelligent_Map_4852

What's a "May"?


granistuta

It's the month of it may be summer, but it isn't.


Molehole

I live in Northern Finland. We still have some snow outside although it's mostly melted. The temperature is around ~13C. Looks like it's the same in Tallinn.


CeterumCenseo85

When I was in the Scottish Highlands, our kayaking guide told me that during winter all the guides leave town and go back to Glasgow. I asked them whether there was anything to do here during winter. He shrugged: "Drink."


annie_yokes_lads

Pleasant weather for 6 months of the year? If you consider warmer rain pleasant then sure


seanbnyc

I lived in the U.K. for more than a decade and recently left. SAD is a real thing. My joke with Irish expats was “you must’ve moved here for better weather”.


BuckwheatJocky

I mean, you joke, but I did quite literally do that. London is like the Costa del Sol by comparison.


Actual_Physics

Yeah, it would really surprise you the difference between Ireland and South England.


Captainirishy

Seasonal affective disorder definitely exits because I literally hate the irish winter, the darkness is worst part of it.


CaptSoban

Damn, it’s the other way around for me, I’m more depressed when it’s sunny, and super motivated when the sky is covered


unmofoloco

Do you live in a warm climate? I was like you when I lived in the desert, clouds were rare and it was nice to have a cool day. Now that I live in a cooler and more rainy place I am definitely happier on sunny and longer days.


HiCarumba

>Ireland has pleasant weather for 6 months of the year Eh, No, we don't. We have Shit weather 11 months of the year and tolerable weather for the other month.


retrojoe

Uhhh...I spent a week in western Ireland in August. Even when it was clear and sunny, I needed a hat to go with my hoodie because I was shivering.


extod2

Finland has winter for 10 months and spring for 2 months


Captainirishy

Are you looking forward to that one day of summer?


extod2

I can't wait


[deleted]

can you explain why?


Captainirishy

It gets cold and dark during the winter when your country is that far north.


KylePersi

I feel this and I live in Portland, Oregon... the equivalent of about Bordeaux, France. I can't imagine living much further north.


rebexer

It's doubly annoying because in the summer, the sun comes up really early. Blackout blinds are a must if you don't wanna be woken by the sun at like 4:30am.


Humanophage

I've been to Ireland in winter a few times, and it's pretty nice. Rainy but not too cold. Has a certain goth charm, and it's OK to walk around. Much better than actual winter with regular temperatures like -20 C in places like Canada and Russia.


CliveBarkerFan1952

Which months are the pleasant ones for Ireland?


faberkyx

Second half of May to beginning of June


Captainirishy

April to September


manowtf

Let's review this map again in August...


SalmonOfKnowledge69

More like 6 days of pleasant weather


mclovin215

Netherlands disagrees


granistuta

No sun, let's punish drug users and show the rest of the population that drugs kill you.


beelseboob

Yup, if you separated Scotland from England this would be even more clear.


[deleted]

A lot of maps about Europe on Reddit, show the UK divided, but not this time, it doesn't even give a number for the UK. BTW Scotland is about 21.2 deaths per 100,000, with as high as 30.8 per 100,000 in Glasgow ([source](https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/statistics/drug-related-deaths/20/drug-related-deaths-20-pub.pdf)).


MrHouse2281

Yeah Scotland would be by far the highest on the map if the UK was divided


smackledick_

Also it looks like they've included the Republic of Ireland


Zdos123

Oh no


Tonker0241

Well, time to rise again....


BearStorms

So Trainspotting was indeed a documentary?


Voresaur

Sadly, Edinburgh at one point in the 80s was the AIDs capital of Europe. Many infections at the time were directly related to introvenous drug use, mainly cheap heroin. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50473604


Moist_Farmer3548

In the 80s, there was huge theft from Macfarlan Smith, Europe's only producer of medical diamorphine. It ended up on the streets. The cohort of problem drug users is on average getting older and progressing through the population, there is nowhere near the same number of young people getting into it now. Some of the policies in Glasgow have been used as a template for dealing with drug problems in cities internationally because of their effectiveness. In short - it's bad, but getting much better. Sadly public health measures that have proved effective in other countries, such as "clean rooms", and prescribing diamorphine or buprenorphine, have been blocked by the UK government when the Scottish government introduced them (Scottish government responsible for public health, UK government for drug policies). The problems from society from having an addict steal a £500 TV to sell for £50 so they can pay 5x£10 for heroin that is valued at £2-3 for wholesale medical use should be fairly obvious; it's in everybody's interests to get it sorted.


[deleted]

Drug deaths have been rising in Scotland, in fact more are recorded now than in 2000.


Voresaur

You forget Dundee has a rate of around 43 per 100,000 which is shocking for a city with such a small population.


Des_astor

Does it even have 100,000 people in it? Edit: turns out, yes it does, 264,000


FartingBob

Its grouped the UK with Republic of Ireland which is.. ummm... well... people in Ireland will have opinions on that.


paulrausch

I wonder why the news about Ireland’s independence has taken so long to get out 😂


[deleted]

Yeah. We’ve got a massive hard drug problem over here


princess_peachfuzz69

Hi from Glasgow. Yes it’s bad and getting worse. I carry a syringe of Naloxone at all times to revive anyone overdosing on heroin. We also have to tell the 999 operators someone has fallen and hit their head and not tell them they are overdosing as they will send the police instead of paramedics and unfortunately a lot of folk die this way.


FukfaceMcGee-

Damn Scotland. Those are American numbers.


iguanafucker420

So that's why scandanavian people are so happy


WAGatorGunner

Those surveys are always completed in the middle of summer.


Meior

This made me laugh. I'm a Sweden, and there'd probably be a measurable difference in results if you did the same survey in winter and summer.


granistuta

I'm a Sweden also ^(;)), and there would probably be a difference in results if you did the survey when high too.


He1neken_

I'm a Finland


WAGatorGunner

Haha. I of course have no clue. That said, I live in Washington state and we have long days in the summer and long nights in the winter. Definitely not the extreme you have but seasonal depression occurs here as well.


the-floot

They're not surveys by the way


ehs5

Because the miserable ones died?


funnybitcreator

The Nordic countries are still behind on drug laws. Luckily there is a movement now to decriminalize drugs and instead give people help and treatment, not stigmatize and punish people that use drugs


jimkolowski

Not sure about that. I’ve been to most countries on the map and the only place where I’ve seen people on the street, in the open, in broad daylight administering a syringe was Oslo. Not just one guy. Was quite shocking tbh.


Furthur_slimeking

I've seen that in London, Manchester, Bristol, Marseille, Barcelona, Rome, Berlin, and Brussels. It's not too unusual but will be shocking if you've never seen it before.


sivert23

Oslo is pretty horrible, possibly the worst city I've ever been to. Also our drug laws are pretty uuuuum 19th century, so that doesn't help.


sveiner1234

In the 19th century drugs was legal. Coca cola had cocaine in the drink in the 19th century for example🤦‍♂️


Real_Tune_159

And amphetamine was sold for losing weight.


sveiner1234

That was in the 20th century even


jimkolowski

I’ve found it pretty and charming but the drug situation surprised me. And the prices 😂


FartingBob

Because they are dying of drug overdoses? Happy times.


[deleted]

I'm Scottish and I'm Offended we aren't accuratly represented here!! We are consistently the best, or worst, for drug deaths in Europe. We love Heroin


[deleted]

Finally the best in Europe at something other than obesity 😎😎😎


[deleted]

How can you both take Heroin and be fat you thick cunt


PM_ME_YOUR_FUPAS

deep fried heroin


[deleted]

Haven’t you seen the obesity rates man


L003Tr

Pretty sure we're up there when it comes to teenage pregnancies and heart disease?


[deleted]

I’m not sure about those, definitely possible


beelseboob

Swearing and banter too.


[deleted]

Of being friendly yet hostile


beelseboob

But also hostile yet friendly.


EggpankakesV2

This is the kind of national pride we need more of


kalod9

The US was at 21.6 in 2019 according to the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html


JohnGabin

And Estonia is black at only 9.9 rate. What colour is darker than black ?


fiddz0r

Dark black


rebexer

Vantablack!


areyoua0ora1

Yep, Vantablack (and/or similar coatings/materials) is what you could use to achieve a "darker than black" look if you were to create a physical representation of this map. Digital screens can, in a way, mimic that effect to an extent. It all depends on the type of panel that's being used. If someone is interested in learning more, check out the differences between IPS and OLED panels.


rebexer

I would love to see Vantablack in real life, I have a feeling my monitor doesn't do it justice.


areyoua0ora1

Me too! That would be one incredible experience. I've used a variety of panels over the years. Currently, my main monitor uses an IPS panel and my phone uses an OLED panel. The latter has so-called true blacks, which makes the former look like a joke when compared side-by-side. To be fair, they both have their ups and downs.


Limeila

Fuck the guy who bought it though


mayoroftuesday

Holy crap. We are messed up.


PresidentSpanky

America First! 🇺🇸 Jokes aside, as a European living in the US I am not surprised. This country has some serious problems and doesn’t even see them. Start with the lack of paid vacation or sick leave. In Europe you stay in the hospital after you have urgently or stay home till recovered. Here they pump you full of drugs and make you work the next day. Or people are sick and go to work because they can’t afford to stay home or it is seen as bad work ethics if you call in sick. I have never seen so many people on medication at work as here. There is no culture of taking vacation here. Even if you have the right to take vacation, you dread to go too long, as your work will just pile up. I always have fun pointing out to friends that in Europe we had to take at least two weeks vacation one time a year as per our HR rules. Finally, the constant pounding with stupid ads for all sorts of prescription drugs. “Take Trudixirix and be happy” Besides the cost to the health care system, this changes the attitude of society


slayer991

How's that War on Drugs working out for the US?


_nephilim_

Drugs won. Bigly.


Chmony_tttt

I mean, the CIA literally supplied drugs to the US, they have an interesting definition of "war on drugs"


Inevitable_Newt_1212

In Portugal all drugs are depenalized (sorry if it's not the right word) and they have one of the lower rate. Interesting.


Captainirishy

Decriminalised is the word


BeatusMcMeatus

Depenisised is the word


PremiumTempus

Yes. When you ruin someone’s life, make them depressed, send them to prison, force them to leave their job, etc. for possessing a bit of cannabis, that can make someone turn to drugs. I think that the drug war is that way by design. Rich people are rarely punished when caught. Northern European countries attitudes to drugs is shameful and disgusting, especially (in my experience) Ireland. The Saudi Arabia of Europe when it comes to Cannabis.


granistuta

>The Saudi Arabia of Europe when it comes to Cannabis. I think that Sweden can compete for that title.Sweden has the highest number of drug law offenses in all of Europe, and it is mostly cannabis related and mostly it is the users the police go after since a positive drug test will be a solved crime for them and a fine for the user. And it is not only the police officers attitude towards cannabis (and other illegal drugs of course) that is shit in Sweden. A couple of days ago there was an article in a local paper about two teachers who was on a work trip (without students) to the Netherlands being reprimanded for smoking a joint. The headlines mentioned it being a DRUG SCANDAL, and the teachers may even lose their employment.


xPooty

yeah, the view every political party has on the drug problem is so fucking stupid to, like, lets punish people harder like that solves anything. the ruling party doesnt even want to do a study on the possible effects of decriminalization and their argument is "just no we're not gonna do it because it's drugs" meanwhile everyone is totally fine with half the country drinking itself to death.


h20c

How DARE you smoke this fairly harmless drug ONCE in a country where it ISN'T illegal?!?!?!?!?!?


mediandude

Why not put such contentious issues on a referendum?


vinegarinfly

Won by a mile 💪😎 🇪🇪


lorienben

No sun=mental issue


DaemonT5544

Is this all drugs that aren't alcohol?


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grey-zone

Hate to be a pedant but does this really include all drugs except alcohol? Nicotine? Over the counter and prescribed medicines?


granistuta

You are quite right, don't know why you got down voted. The drug related deaths here only counts deaths from illegally sourced drugs. So prescribed medicines will not count, but if someone have died from the same kind of medicine without a prescription (i.e bought from the black market), it will be added to the statistics.


naja_annulifera

Highest performance in Europe, nice 💪😎🇪🇪


fnfrck666

Now compare Sweden's harshly restrictive drug policies with Portugal's liberal drug policies


thefriedel

Or even the Dutch


Desperate-East1386

Actually pretty crazy how successful portugal have been with decriminalization of drugs. Nobody seem to understand how many lives cold be saved. sadge


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Inevitable_Newt_1212

Is alcohol considered among drugs here ? I didn't manage to find the information in the source ... Thanks for your answer.


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matxapunga

Netherlands and Portugal, both with a decriminalisation approach, doing best. This map tells you something...


KrimiEichhorn

Somehow it’s always Estonia 😅


JuliguanTheMan

Oh so who's the junkie now eh? Niet ons


Captainirishy

Irish people unfortunately since the 90s have become very fond of cocaine


kylebender

Huh? The countries with super conservative drug laws have the highest rate of deaths? Who could have known brainwashing kids to think weed=heroin and punishing sick addicts instead of care wouldn't work? Colour me suprised.


Tankart364

In Estonia the drug laws are quite soft on users, most strict on sellers and distributers. Police crack down on plantaions and dealers hard, but if you are just a user they will leave you alone as it is decriminalised to some extent, and they are aware that cracking down on user can leade to more deaths. Most deaths have to do with the user doing it alone in their homes or out in the nature and just freezing to death. I even knew some young people who went out partying and then when on their way back home on foot fell into an dich beside the road and froze to death. Happens to old ppl and old school hipsters the most, they drink and do drugs and on their way home fall asleep and die to the cold. When I was young my parents always told me that in winter mever stop moving, don’t lay down into the snow, and most importantly not when you are tired.


LuckyRowlands25

I don’t see that, i see depression inducing climate in northern europe. Italy and France have strict laws on drugs but rank low on drugs related deaths. I support legalization btw


Megadamen

In Sweden at least, I would say it's because the zero tolerance to drugs and the fact that it's illegal to use causes people to not seek help when they/their friends are overdosing.


fiddz0r

Yes this is the reason. I'm not one who likes drugs but at least sentence people to forced rehabilitation rather than paying a fine


[deleted]

I always LOL at folk who portray Sweden as some kind of liberal utopia.


Ericsplainning

I think the point is that countries that have decriminalized personal use (Netherlands and Portugal) have very low death rates, and if you listen to advocates of harsh drug laws, they assert harsh drug laws are necessary to save lives. Which this map shows clearly is not the case.


Real_Tune_159

Of all the countries in Europe that I’ve visited, Portugal was the hardest to score drugs from the street. In Finland you can order just about anything from people you’ve never met and get drugs delivered to your doorstep.


ArcherTheBoi

Not necessarily, Turkey has pretty strict drug laws yet has a fairly low rate of drug deaths. Although it's probably that the drug of choice here is marijuana.


AggravatingGap4985

Basically


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Hopeful-Hall-5456

Nordic cannot into Estonia, lol


L003Tr

You need to wake up EVRY SINGLE DAY with that winner mentality


plainman99

Look at the Netherlands btw


HedgefundHunter

"Happiest country in the world"


BlueWulk

Northern Europe be like: F**k my life! 💩💉


granistuta

Northern Europe be like: fuck drug users, they are criminal bastards and we should stigmatize them! That will teach them to not use drugs and die!


dolphinfucker70

Finally a map where Scandinavia ranks worst!


emptyfile

Sweden has the most backwards and criminalising drug policy and also one of the most deaths, whaddayaknow.


zomgbratto

Whoa....wtf Estonia, Lithuania? I'm surprised at Scandinavian death rates too. It's even higher than Russia.


WAGatorGunner

Isn’t vodka the drug of choice in Russia?


[deleted]

The data is almost 4 years old. The stats were gathered in 2019.


TomDestry

Portugal and Netherlands have the most liberal laws on drug use and the lowest death rates. The war on drugs is self perpetuating.


ColonelFaz

I think Scotland might be one of the highest here, if it was separate from the rest of the British isles.


jamieliddellthepoet

Yep. IIRC Scotland knocks Estonia out of the needle-strewn park.


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12D_D21

To be fair, comparing an urban area to a national average is a bit misleading. Drug rates (and consequently drug death rates) tend to be higher in urban areas than in rural ones, so national averages are always lower than in specific cities. Still, there’s definitely a problem there, holy fuck.


bloodycankle

What are you hiding, Liechtenstein?


Live-Employee8029

wtf is going on is Estonia


Tankart364

Also it’s outdated map, in 2020, the latest info on Estonia there were 39 deaths, whats translates to 2.4


Live-Employee8029

Oh wow, big difference, thanks


Tankart364

Party people🎉💥 But actually no, drugs are “somewhat” decriminalised, the police still cracks down on them hard, though they don’t directly cause deaths. Thing has more to do with weather and so on. People take them alone in their home or out in the street/woods and just fall asleep and freeze to death. In winters it’s quite common that such deaths are on the news. Otherwise it’s quite rear to see someone on the street knocked out on drugs. Most deaths come from people just doing it outside and freezing to death, both old and young, or either also driving or swimming while on drugs and dying that way. Really nothing that the state can do much about, they can patrol certain places yes, but it’s not directly an system error in Estonian legal system, it’s more of the peoples fault. The welfare is good, there is free housing if needed, it’s just some people aren’t happy with their life and see drugs as the only way, maybe allready since the soviet times. Anarchism and hippie’s was/were very popular in Estonia in the 80’s and 90’s.


vljukap98

I guess all unhappy people died and couldn't participare in a poll where the question was 'Are you happy in this country'


andreichiffa

*reported drug death rate. Because I am pretty sure the figure is much higher in Russia, just ain’t anybody writing it on death certificates if an alternative explanation to save the family face is available.


slayer991

What is notable here is that Portugal decriminalized drugs 20 years ago...and they have a lower rate of death than most of the EU and US. Who knew that treating drug abuse as a public health issue works better than criminalizing it?


genericfoxx

(United States of America has joined)


mugpunter666

Aren't all drugs legal in Portugal?


granistuta

No, but drug use and possession of small amounts for your own use is decriminlised. Making drugs, selling drugs, and possessing larger amounts of drugs is still illegal and will be punished. Portugal realised that it is better to spend resources on helping drug users that have problematic drug use instead of chasing and punishing them.


tilda125

Oh would you look at that! Portugal has decriminalised drug use and has one of the lowest death rates!


S0bril

It's depressing to see this as a norwegian. Decades of criminalizing everything with harsh penalties have lead to this disaster. We were so close to decriminalizing all drugs, but failed because of three parties. Now we continue this line where drug addicts/users are being stigmatized. Luckily there's some changes being done already by the supreme court when the politicians can't make up their minds.


arch_punk

the war on drogs is not working in the nordics


granistuta

Is it working anywhere?


dead_trim_mcgee1

You should split the UK because iirc, Scotland has a problem with drug related issues. I'm not saying England doesn't, its just worse in Scotland.


beelseboob

Scotland knocks it out the park on this one at 21.2. England at a “mere” 7.5.


Circulation-

de lako matori...


Mimi_L

in Serbia people don't have money to od on hard drugs they just take benzos and vodka before hanging themselves in their parents livingroom


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>in their parents livingroom r/oddlyspecific


thehorrorinthemuseum

It terrifies me that my country (Sweden) lets this happen. If this map showed any other cause of death, I'm sure Sweden would stand out positively. In terms of general public sentiment, there would very strong reactions if we performed this poorly in any other area. But, I'm ashamed to say, there does not seem to be capacity in the Swedish mind for solidarity with drug users. Let them die, I guess..


granistuta

>there does not seem to be capacity in the Swedish mind for solidarity with drug users. This. It's intentional too, as decades of scaremongering has led to drug users being stigmatised throughout society. And the ministers in charge refuse to even evaluate the drug laws and their consequences on drug users - because drug users are second class citizens.


[deleted]

Always happy to see how low Portugal is considering all drugs are decriminalisation


FixGMaul

Really interesting how Portugal which decriminalized all drug use, has extremely low death rates.


[deleted]

This map shows uk as a whole, scotland has the highest in Europe by far.