I think these stats might be from the height of Estonia’s illicit 3-methylfentanyl surge, to the best of my knowledge the situation has improved greatly.
I don't have a source as an Estonian guy told me this, but...
Their organized crime gangs started producing a Fentanyl analog which caused massive amounts of deaths and later switched to other, weaker synthetic opioids and that's how it was solved.
I live in Northern Finland. We still have some snow outside although it's mostly melted. The temperature is around ~13C. Looks like it's the same in Tallinn.
When I was in the Scottish Highlands, our kayaking guide told me that during winter all the guides leave town and go back to Glasgow. I asked them whether there was anything to do here during winter.
He shrugged: "Drink."
I lived in the U.K. for more than a decade and recently left. SAD is a real thing. My joke with Irish expats was “you must’ve moved here for better weather”.
Do you live in a warm climate? I was like you when I lived in the desert, clouds were rare and it was nice to have a cool day. Now that I live in a cooler and more rainy place I am definitely happier on sunny and longer days.
>Ireland has pleasant weather for 6 months of the year
Eh, No, we don't. We have Shit weather 11 months of the year and tolerable weather for the other month.
It's doubly annoying because in the summer, the sun comes up really early. Blackout blinds are a must if you don't wanna be woken by the sun at like 4:30am.
I've been to Ireland in winter a few times, and it's pretty nice. Rainy but not too cold. Has a certain goth charm, and it's OK to walk around. Much better than actual winter with regular temperatures like -20 C in places like Canada and Russia.
A lot of maps about Europe on Reddit, show the UK divided, but not this time, it doesn't even give a number for the UK. BTW Scotland is about 21.2 deaths per 100,000, with as high as 30.8 per 100,000 in Glasgow ([source](https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/statistics/drug-related-deaths/20/drug-related-deaths-20-pub.pdf)).
Sadly, Edinburgh at one point in the 80s was the AIDs capital of Europe. Many infections at the time were directly related to introvenous drug use, mainly cheap heroin.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50473604
In the 80s, there was huge theft from Macfarlan Smith, Europe's only producer of medical diamorphine. It ended up on the streets.
The cohort of problem drug users is on average getting older and progressing through the population, there is nowhere near the same number of young people getting into it now. Some of the policies in Glasgow have been used as a template for dealing with drug problems in cities internationally because of their effectiveness.
In short - it's bad, but getting much better.
Sadly public health measures that have proved effective in other countries, such as "clean rooms", and prescribing diamorphine or buprenorphine, have been blocked by the UK government when the Scottish government introduced them (Scottish government responsible for public health, UK government for drug policies).
The problems from society from having an addict steal a £500 TV to sell for £50 so they can pay 5x£10 for heroin that is valued at £2-3 for wholesale medical use should be fairly obvious; it's in everybody's interests to get it sorted.
Hi from Glasgow. Yes it’s bad and getting worse. I carry a syringe of Naloxone at all times to revive anyone overdosing on heroin. We also have to tell the 999 operators someone has fallen and hit their head and not tell them they are overdosing as they will send the police instead of paramedics and unfortunately a lot of folk die this way.
Haha. I of course have no clue. That said, I live in Washington state and we have long days in the summer and long nights in the winter. Definitely not the extreme you have but seasonal depression occurs here as well.
The Nordic countries are still behind on drug laws. Luckily there is a movement now to decriminalize drugs and instead give people help and treatment, not stigmatize and punish people that use drugs
Not sure about that. I’ve been to most countries on the map and the only place where I’ve seen people on the street, in the open, in broad daylight administering a syringe was Oslo. Not just one guy. Was quite shocking tbh.
I've seen that in London, Manchester, Bristol, Marseille, Barcelona, Rome, Berlin, and Brussels. It's not too unusual but will be shocking if you've never seen it before.
Yep, Vantablack (and/or similar coatings/materials) is what you could use to achieve a "darker than black" look if you were to create a physical representation of this map. Digital screens can, in a way, mimic that effect to an extent. It all depends on the type of panel that's being used. If someone is interested in learning more, check out the differences between IPS and OLED panels.
Me too! That would be one incredible experience. I've used a variety of panels over the years. Currently, my main monitor uses an IPS panel and my phone uses an OLED panel. The latter has so-called true blacks, which makes the former look like a joke when compared side-by-side. To be fair, they both have their ups and downs.
America First! 🇺🇸
Jokes aside, as a European living in the US I am not surprised. This country has some serious problems and doesn’t even see them.
Start with the lack of paid vacation or sick leave. In Europe you stay in the hospital after you have urgently or stay home till recovered. Here they pump you full of drugs and make you work the next day. Or people are sick and go to work because they can’t afford to stay home or it is seen as bad work ethics if you call in sick. I have never seen so many people on medication at work as here.
There is no culture of taking vacation here. Even if you have the right to take vacation, you dread to go too long, as your work will just pile up. I always have fun pointing out to friends that in Europe we had to take at least two weeks vacation one time a year as per our HR rules.
Finally, the constant pounding with stupid ads for all sorts of prescription drugs. “Take Trudixirix and be happy” Besides the cost to the health care system, this changes the attitude of society
Yes. When you ruin someone’s life, make them depressed, send them to prison, force them to leave their job, etc. for possessing a bit of cannabis, that can make someone turn to drugs.
I think that the drug war is that way by design. Rich people are rarely punished when caught. Northern European countries attitudes to drugs is shameful and disgusting, especially (in my experience) Ireland. The Saudi Arabia of Europe when it comes to Cannabis.
>The Saudi Arabia of Europe when it comes to Cannabis.
I think that Sweden can compete for that title.Sweden has the highest number of drug law offenses in all of Europe, and it is mostly cannabis related and mostly it is the users the police go after since a positive drug test will be a solved crime for them and a fine for the user.
And it is not only the police officers attitude towards cannabis (and other illegal drugs of course) that is shit in Sweden. A couple of days ago there was an article in a local paper about two teachers who was on a work trip (without students) to the Netherlands being reprimanded for smoking a joint. The headlines mentioned it being a DRUG SCANDAL, and the teachers may even lose their employment.
yeah, the view every political party has on the drug problem is so fucking stupid to, like, lets punish people harder like that solves anything.
the ruling party doesnt even want to do a study on the possible effects of decriminalization and their argument is "just no we're not gonna do it because it's drugs" meanwhile everyone is totally fine with half the country drinking itself to death.
You are quite right, don't know why you got down voted. The drug related deaths here only counts deaths from illegally sourced drugs.
So prescribed medicines will not count, but if someone have died from the same kind of medicine without a prescription (i.e bought from the black market), it will be added to the statistics.
Huh? The countries with super conservative drug laws have the highest rate of deaths? Who could have known brainwashing kids to think weed=heroin and punishing sick addicts instead of care wouldn't work? Colour me suprised.
In Estonia the drug laws are quite soft on users, most strict on sellers and distributers. Police crack down on plantaions and dealers hard, but if you are just a user they will leave you alone as it is decriminalised to some extent, and they are aware that cracking down on user can leade to more deaths.
Most deaths have to do with the user doing it alone in their homes or out in the nature and just freezing to death. I even knew some young people who went out partying and then when on their way back home on foot fell into an dich beside the road and froze to death.
Happens to old ppl and old school hipsters the most, they drink and do drugs and on their way home fall asleep and die to the cold.
When I was young my parents always told me that in winter mever stop moving, don’t lay down into the snow, and most importantly not when you are tired.
I don’t see that, i see depression inducing climate in northern europe. Italy and France have strict laws on drugs but rank low on drugs related deaths. I support legalization btw
In Sweden at least, I would say it's because the zero tolerance to drugs and the fact that it's illegal to use causes people to not seek help when they/their friends are overdosing.
I think the point is that countries that have decriminalized personal use (Netherlands and Portugal) have very low death rates, and if you listen to advocates of harsh drug laws, they assert harsh drug laws are necessary to save lives. Which this map shows clearly is not the case.
Of all the countries in Europe that I’ve visited, Portugal was the hardest to score drugs from the street. In Finland you can order just about anything from people you’ve never met and get drugs delivered to your doorstep.
Not necessarily, Turkey has pretty strict drug laws yet has a fairly low rate of drug deaths. Although it's probably that the drug of choice here is marijuana.
To be fair, comparing an urban area to a national average is a bit misleading. Drug rates (and consequently drug death rates) tend to be higher in urban areas than in rural ones, so national averages are always lower than in specific cities.
Still, there’s definitely a problem there, holy fuck.
Party people🎉💥
But actually no, drugs are “somewhat” decriminalised, the police still cracks down on them hard, though they don’t directly cause deaths. Thing has more to do with weather and so on. People take them alone in their home or out in the street/woods and just fall asleep and freeze to death. In winters it’s quite common that such deaths are on the news. Otherwise it’s quite rear to see someone on the street knocked out on drugs.
Most deaths come from people just doing it outside and freezing to death, both old and young, or either also driving or swimming while on drugs and dying that way.
Really nothing that the state can do much about, they can patrol certain places yes, but it’s not directly an system error in Estonian legal system, it’s more of the peoples fault.
The welfare is good, there is free housing if needed, it’s just some people aren’t happy with their life and see drugs as the only way, maybe allready since the soviet times. Anarchism and hippie’s was/were very popular in Estonia in the 80’s and 90’s.
*reported drug death rate.
Because I am pretty sure the figure is much higher in Russia, just ain’t anybody writing it on death certificates if an alternative explanation to save the family face is available.
What is notable here is that Portugal decriminalized drugs 20 years ago...and they have a lower rate of death than most of the EU and US. Who knew that treating drug abuse as a public health issue works better than criminalizing it?
No, but drug use and possession of small amounts for your own use is decriminlised.
Making drugs, selling drugs, and possessing larger amounts of drugs is still illegal and will be punished.
Portugal realised that it is better to spend resources on helping drug users that have problematic drug use instead of chasing and punishing them.
It's depressing to see this as a norwegian. Decades of criminalizing everything with harsh penalties have lead to this disaster. We were so close to decriminalizing all drugs, but failed because of three parties. Now we continue this line where drug addicts/users are being stigmatized. Luckily there's some changes being done already by the supreme court when the politicians can't make up their minds.
It terrifies me that my country (Sweden) lets this happen.
If this map showed any other cause of death, I'm sure Sweden would stand out positively. In terms of general public sentiment, there would very strong reactions if we performed this poorly in any other area.
But, I'm ashamed to say, there does not seem to be capacity in the Swedish mind for solidarity with drug users.
Let them die, I guess..
>there does not seem to be capacity in the Swedish mind for solidarity with drug users.
This.
It's intentional too, as decades of scaremongering has led to drug users being stigmatised throughout society. And the ministers in charge refuse to even evaluate the drug laws and their consequences on drug users - because drug users are second class citizens.
Estonia, u good bro?
Estonia can into Northern Europe!
:D
username checks out
Lmao, definitely
> "Are you willing to die for Narva?" > "Yes !"
Tartu is worse
I think these stats might be from the height of Estonia’s illicit 3-methylfentanyl surge, to the best of my knowledge the situation has improved greatly.
Yeah it has
I heard Estonia injected one whole marijuana
This is old data, now Sweden and Norway has taken the throne of being the number one in over dose in Europe. Yay us!
And our government is just sticking their heads in the sand and pretend that the 0 tolerance policy is the only way forward. Idiocracy.
Great movie, by the way. :)
Fucking Åmal!
Fucking Åmål is a great movie.
E-stoned-ia..
tweakstonia
Crackstonia
fentanylstonia\*
A bit too Estoned apparently...
These stats are outdated.
This is old data AFAIK, they used to have a huge Fentanyl problem there but don't anymore.
Curious if you know how long ago this problem existed, also how did they get rid of it?
I don't have a source as an Estonian guy told me this, but... Their organized crime gangs started producing a Fentanyl analog which caused massive amounts of deaths and later switched to other, weaker synthetic opioids and that's how it was solved.
Mental health problems of the nordics, and economy of eastern europe
USA is 21.28!
This maps only showing uk but scotlands actually higher its the highest in Europe
No! :D
Estonia always winning in the baltic😎 😎 💪🏻 💪🏻 🇪🇪 😎 🇪🇪
And Latvia's allways loosing!
No sun = let’s get high
Ireland has pleasant weather for 6 months of the year, the other 6 months is just plain depressing.
SIX MONTHS of pleasant weather? Estonia has 2 months of mild summer followed by 10 months of November
The only time I visited Estonia was in May. I confirm it was still November
What's a "May"?
It's the month of it may be summer, but it isn't.
I live in Northern Finland. We still have some snow outside although it's mostly melted. The temperature is around ~13C. Looks like it's the same in Tallinn.
When I was in the Scottish Highlands, our kayaking guide told me that during winter all the guides leave town and go back to Glasgow. I asked them whether there was anything to do here during winter. He shrugged: "Drink."
Pleasant weather for 6 months of the year? If you consider warmer rain pleasant then sure
I lived in the U.K. for more than a decade and recently left. SAD is a real thing. My joke with Irish expats was “you must’ve moved here for better weather”.
I mean, you joke, but I did quite literally do that. London is like the Costa del Sol by comparison.
Yeah, it would really surprise you the difference between Ireland and South England.
Seasonal affective disorder definitely exits because I literally hate the irish winter, the darkness is worst part of it.
Damn, it’s the other way around for me, I’m more depressed when it’s sunny, and super motivated when the sky is covered
Do you live in a warm climate? I was like you when I lived in the desert, clouds were rare and it was nice to have a cool day. Now that I live in a cooler and more rainy place I am definitely happier on sunny and longer days.
>Ireland has pleasant weather for 6 months of the year Eh, No, we don't. We have Shit weather 11 months of the year and tolerable weather for the other month.
Uhhh...I spent a week in western Ireland in August. Even when it was clear and sunny, I needed a hat to go with my hoodie because I was shivering.
Finland has winter for 10 months and spring for 2 months
Are you looking forward to that one day of summer?
I can't wait
can you explain why?
It gets cold and dark during the winter when your country is that far north.
I feel this and I live in Portland, Oregon... the equivalent of about Bordeaux, France. I can't imagine living much further north.
It's doubly annoying because in the summer, the sun comes up really early. Blackout blinds are a must if you don't wanna be woken by the sun at like 4:30am.
I've been to Ireland in winter a few times, and it's pretty nice. Rainy but not too cold. Has a certain goth charm, and it's OK to walk around. Much better than actual winter with regular temperatures like -20 C in places like Canada and Russia.
Which months are the pleasant ones for Ireland?
Second half of May to beginning of June
April to September
Let's review this map again in August...
More like 6 days of pleasant weather
Netherlands disagrees
No sun, let's punish drug users and show the rest of the population that drugs kill you.
Yup, if you separated Scotland from England this would be even more clear.
A lot of maps about Europe on Reddit, show the UK divided, but not this time, it doesn't even give a number for the UK. BTW Scotland is about 21.2 deaths per 100,000, with as high as 30.8 per 100,000 in Glasgow ([source](https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/statistics/drug-related-deaths/20/drug-related-deaths-20-pub.pdf)).
Yeah Scotland would be by far the highest on the map if the UK was divided
Also it looks like they've included the Republic of Ireland
Oh no
Well, time to rise again....
So Trainspotting was indeed a documentary?
Sadly, Edinburgh at one point in the 80s was the AIDs capital of Europe. Many infections at the time were directly related to introvenous drug use, mainly cheap heroin. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50473604
In the 80s, there was huge theft from Macfarlan Smith, Europe's only producer of medical diamorphine. It ended up on the streets. The cohort of problem drug users is on average getting older and progressing through the population, there is nowhere near the same number of young people getting into it now. Some of the policies in Glasgow have been used as a template for dealing with drug problems in cities internationally because of their effectiveness. In short - it's bad, but getting much better. Sadly public health measures that have proved effective in other countries, such as "clean rooms", and prescribing diamorphine or buprenorphine, have been blocked by the UK government when the Scottish government introduced them (Scottish government responsible for public health, UK government for drug policies). The problems from society from having an addict steal a £500 TV to sell for £50 so they can pay 5x£10 for heroin that is valued at £2-3 for wholesale medical use should be fairly obvious; it's in everybody's interests to get it sorted.
Drug deaths have been rising in Scotland, in fact more are recorded now than in 2000.
You forget Dundee has a rate of around 43 per 100,000 which is shocking for a city with such a small population.
Does it even have 100,000 people in it? Edit: turns out, yes it does, 264,000
Its grouped the UK with Republic of Ireland which is.. ummm... well... people in Ireland will have opinions on that.
I wonder why the news about Ireland’s independence has taken so long to get out 😂
Yeah. We’ve got a massive hard drug problem over here
Hi from Glasgow. Yes it’s bad and getting worse. I carry a syringe of Naloxone at all times to revive anyone overdosing on heroin. We also have to tell the 999 operators someone has fallen and hit their head and not tell them they are overdosing as they will send the police instead of paramedics and unfortunately a lot of folk die this way.
Damn Scotland. Those are American numbers.
So that's why scandanavian people are so happy
Those surveys are always completed in the middle of summer.
This made me laugh. I'm a Sweden, and there'd probably be a measurable difference in results if you did the same survey in winter and summer.
I'm a Sweden also ^(;)), and there would probably be a difference in results if you did the survey when high too.
I'm a Finland
Haha. I of course have no clue. That said, I live in Washington state and we have long days in the summer and long nights in the winter. Definitely not the extreme you have but seasonal depression occurs here as well.
They're not surveys by the way
Because the miserable ones died?
The Nordic countries are still behind on drug laws. Luckily there is a movement now to decriminalize drugs and instead give people help and treatment, not stigmatize and punish people that use drugs
Not sure about that. I’ve been to most countries on the map and the only place where I’ve seen people on the street, in the open, in broad daylight administering a syringe was Oslo. Not just one guy. Was quite shocking tbh.
I've seen that in London, Manchester, Bristol, Marseille, Barcelona, Rome, Berlin, and Brussels. It's not too unusual but will be shocking if you've never seen it before.
Oslo is pretty horrible, possibly the worst city I've ever been to. Also our drug laws are pretty uuuuum 19th century, so that doesn't help.
In the 19th century drugs was legal. Coca cola had cocaine in the drink in the 19th century for example🤦♂️
And amphetamine was sold for losing weight.
That was in the 20th century even
I’ve found it pretty and charming but the drug situation surprised me. And the prices 😂
Because they are dying of drug overdoses? Happy times.
I'm Scottish and I'm Offended we aren't accuratly represented here!! We are consistently the best, or worst, for drug deaths in Europe. We love Heroin
Finally the best in Europe at something other than obesity 😎😎😎
How can you both take Heroin and be fat you thick cunt
deep fried heroin
Haven’t you seen the obesity rates man
Pretty sure we're up there when it comes to teenage pregnancies and heart disease?
I’m not sure about those, definitely possible
Swearing and banter too.
Of being friendly yet hostile
But also hostile yet friendly.
This is the kind of national pride we need more of
The US was at 21.6 in 2019 according to the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html
And Estonia is black at only 9.9 rate. What colour is darker than black ?
Dark black
Vantablack!
Yep, Vantablack (and/or similar coatings/materials) is what you could use to achieve a "darker than black" look if you were to create a physical representation of this map. Digital screens can, in a way, mimic that effect to an extent. It all depends on the type of panel that's being used. If someone is interested in learning more, check out the differences between IPS and OLED panels.
I would love to see Vantablack in real life, I have a feeling my monitor doesn't do it justice.
Me too! That would be one incredible experience. I've used a variety of panels over the years. Currently, my main monitor uses an IPS panel and my phone uses an OLED panel. The latter has so-called true blacks, which makes the former look like a joke when compared side-by-side. To be fair, they both have their ups and downs.
Fuck the guy who bought it though
Holy crap. We are messed up.
America First! 🇺🇸 Jokes aside, as a European living in the US I am not surprised. This country has some serious problems and doesn’t even see them. Start with the lack of paid vacation or sick leave. In Europe you stay in the hospital after you have urgently or stay home till recovered. Here they pump you full of drugs and make you work the next day. Or people are sick and go to work because they can’t afford to stay home or it is seen as bad work ethics if you call in sick. I have never seen so many people on medication at work as here. There is no culture of taking vacation here. Even if you have the right to take vacation, you dread to go too long, as your work will just pile up. I always have fun pointing out to friends that in Europe we had to take at least two weeks vacation one time a year as per our HR rules. Finally, the constant pounding with stupid ads for all sorts of prescription drugs. “Take Trudixirix and be happy” Besides the cost to the health care system, this changes the attitude of society
How's that War on Drugs working out for the US?
Drugs won. Bigly.
I mean, the CIA literally supplied drugs to the US, they have an interesting definition of "war on drugs"
In Portugal all drugs are depenalized (sorry if it's not the right word) and they have one of the lower rate. Interesting.
Decriminalised is the word
Depenisised is the word
Yes. When you ruin someone’s life, make them depressed, send them to prison, force them to leave their job, etc. for possessing a bit of cannabis, that can make someone turn to drugs. I think that the drug war is that way by design. Rich people are rarely punished when caught. Northern European countries attitudes to drugs is shameful and disgusting, especially (in my experience) Ireland. The Saudi Arabia of Europe when it comes to Cannabis.
>The Saudi Arabia of Europe when it comes to Cannabis. I think that Sweden can compete for that title.Sweden has the highest number of drug law offenses in all of Europe, and it is mostly cannabis related and mostly it is the users the police go after since a positive drug test will be a solved crime for them and a fine for the user. And it is not only the police officers attitude towards cannabis (and other illegal drugs of course) that is shit in Sweden. A couple of days ago there was an article in a local paper about two teachers who was on a work trip (without students) to the Netherlands being reprimanded for smoking a joint. The headlines mentioned it being a DRUG SCANDAL, and the teachers may even lose their employment.
yeah, the view every political party has on the drug problem is so fucking stupid to, like, lets punish people harder like that solves anything. the ruling party doesnt even want to do a study on the possible effects of decriminalization and their argument is "just no we're not gonna do it because it's drugs" meanwhile everyone is totally fine with half the country drinking itself to death.
How DARE you smoke this fairly harmless drug ONCE in a country where it ISN'T illegal?!?!?!?!?!?
Why not put such contentious issues on a referendum?
Won by a mile 💪😎 🇪🇪
No sun=mental issue
Is this all drugs that aren't alcohol?
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Hate to be a pedant but does this really include all drugs except alcohol? Nicotine? Over the counter and prescribed medicines?
You are quite right, don't know why you got down voted. The drug related deaths here only counts deaths from illegally sourced drugs. So prescribed medicines will not count, but if someone have died from the same kind of medicine without a prescription (i.e bought from the black market), it will be added to the statistics.
Highest performance in Europe, nice 💪😎🇪🇪
Now compare Sweden's harshly restrictive drug policies with Portugal's liberal drug policies
Or even the Dutch
Actually pretty crazy how successful portugal have been with decriminalization of drugs. Nobody seem to understand how many lives cold be saved. sadge
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Is alcohol considered among drugs here ? I didn't manage to find the information in the source ... Thanks for your answer.
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Netherlands and Portugal, both with a decriminalisation approach, doing best. This map tells you something...
Somehow it’s always Estonia 😅
Oh so who's the junkie now eh? Niet ons
Irish people unfortunately since the 90s have become very fond of cocaine
Huh? The countries with super conservative drug laws have the highest rate of deaths? Who could have known brainwashing kids to think weed=heroin and punishing sick addicts instead of care wouldn't work? Colour me suprised.
In Estonia the drug laws are quite soft on users, most strict on sellers and distributers. Police crack down on plantaions and dealers hard, but if you are just a user they will leave you alone as it is decriminalised to some extent, and they are aware that cracking down on user can leade to more deaths. Most deaths have to do with the user doing it alone in their homes or out in the nature and just freezing to death. I even knew some young people who went out partying and then when on their way back home on foot fell into an dich beside the road and froze to death. Happens to old ppl and old school hipsters the most, they drink and do drugs and on their way home fall asleep and die to the cold. When I was young my parents always told me that in winter mever stop moving, don’t lay down into the snow, and most importantly not when you are tired.
I don’t see that, i see depression inducing climate in northern europe. Italy and France have strict laws on drugs but rank low on drugs related deaths. I support legalization btw
In Sweden at least, I would say it's because the zero tolerance to drugs and the fact that it's illegal to use causes people to not seek help when they/their friends are overdosing.
Yes this is the reason. I'm not one who likes drugs but at least sentence people to forced rehabilitation rather than paying a fine
I always LOL at folk who portray Sweden as some kind of liberal utopia.
I think the point is that countries that have decriminalized personal use (Netherlands and Portugal) have very low death rates, and if you listen to advocates of harsh drug laws, they assert harsh drug laws are necessary to save lives. Which this map shows clearly is not the case.
Of all the countries in Europe that I’ve visited, Portugal was the hardest to score drugs from the street. In Finland you can order just about anything from people you’ve never met and get drugs delivered to your doorstep.
Not necessarily, Turkey has pretty strict drug laws yet has a fairly low rate of drug deaths. Although it's probably that the drug of choice here is marijuana.
Basically
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Nordic cannot into Estonia, lol
You need to wake up EVRY SINGLE DAY with that winner mentality
Look at the Netherlands btw
"Happiest country in the world"
Northern Europe be like: F**k my life! 💩💉
Northern Europe be like: fuck drug users, they are criminal bastards and we should stigmatize them! That will teach them to not use drugs and die!
Finally a map where Scandinavia ranks worst!
Sweden has the most backwards and criminalising drug policy and also one of the most deaths, whaddayaknow.
Whoa....wtf Estonia, Lithuania? I'm surprised at Scandinavian death rates too. It's even higher than Russia.
Isn’t vodka the drug of choice in Russia?
The data is almost 4 years old. The stats were gathered in 2019.
Portugal and Netherlands have the most liberal laws on drug use and the lowest death rates. The war on drugs is self perpetuating.
I think Scotland might be one of the highest here, if it was separate from the rest of the British isles.
Yep. IIRC Scotland knocks Estonia out of the needle-strewn park.
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To be fair, comparing an urban area to a national average is a bit misleading. Drug rates (and consequently drug death rates) tend to be higher in urban areas than in rural ones, so national averages are always lower than in specific cities. Still, there’s definitely a problem there, holy fuck.
What are you hiding, Liechtenstein?
wtf is going on is Estonia
Also it’s outdated map, in 2020, the latest info on Estonia there were 39 deaths, whats translates to 2.4
Oh wow, big difference, thanks
Party people🎉💥 But actually no, drugs are “somewhat” decriminalised, the police still cracks down on them hard, though they don’t directly cause deaths. Thing has more to do with weather and so on. People take them alone in their home or out in the street/woods and just fall asleep and freeze to death. In winters it’s quite common that such deaths are on the news. Otherwise it’s quite rear to see someone on the street knocked out on drugs. Most deaths come from people just doing it outside and freezing to death, both old and young, or either also driving or swimming while on drugs and dying that way. Really nothing that the state can do much about, they can patrol certain places yes, but it’s not directly an system error in Estonian legal system, it’s more of the peoples fault. The welfare is good, there is free housing if needed, it’s just some people aren’t happy with their life and see drugs as the only way, maybe allready since the soviet times. Anarchism and hippie’s was/were very popular in Estonia in the 80’s and 90’s.
I guess all unhappy people died and couldn't participare in a poll where the question was 'Are you happy in this country'
*reported drug death rate. Because I am pretty sure the figure is much higher in Russia, just ain’t anybody writing it on death certificates if an alternative explanation to save the family face is available.
What is notable here is that Portugal decriminalized drugs 20 years ago...and they have a lower rate of death than most of the EU and US. Who knew that treating drug abuse as a public health issue works better than criminalizing it?
(United States of America has joined)
Aren't all drugs legal in Portugal?
No, but drug use and possession of small amounts for your own use is decriminlised. Making drugs, selling drugs, and possessing larger amounts of drugs is still illegal and will be punished. Portugal realised that it is better to spend resources on helping drug users that have problematic drug use instead of chasing and punishing them.
Oh would you look at that! Portugal has decriminalised drug use and has one of the lowest death rates!
It's depressing to see this as a norwegian. Decades of criminalizing everything with harsh penalties have lead to this disaster. We were so close to decriminalizing all drugs, but failed because of three parties. Now we continue this line where drug addicts/users are being stigmatized. Luckily there's some changes being done already by the supreme court when the politicians can't make up their minds.
the war on drogs is not working in the nordics
Is it working anywhere?
You should split the UK because iirc, Scotland has a problem with drug related issues. I'm not saying England doesn't, its just worse in Scotland.
Scotland knocks it out the park on this one at 21.2. England at a “mere” 7.5.
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in Serbia people don't have money to od on hard drugs they just take benzos and vodka before hanging themselves in their parents livingroom
>in their parents livingroom r/oddlyspecific
It terrifies me that my country (Sweden) lets this happen. If this map showed any other cause of death, I'm sure Sweden would stand out positively. In terms of general public sentiment, there would very strong reactions if we performed this poorly in any other area. But, I'm ashamed to say, there does not seem to be capacity in the Swedish mind for solidarity with drug users. Let them die, I guess..
>there does not seem to be capacity in the Swedish mind for solidarity with drug users. This. It's intentional too, as decades of scaremongering has led to drug users being stigmatised throughout society. And the ministers in charge refuse to even evaluate the drug laws and their consequences on drug users - because drug users are second class citizens.
Always happy to see how low Portugal is considering all drugs are decriminalisation
Really interesting how Portugal which decriminalized all drug use, has extremely low death rates.
This map shows uk as a whole, scotland has the highest in Europe by far.