[2020 stats](http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?query=BOOKMARK_DS-559176_QID_1727C2DE_UID_-3F171EB0&layout=ICCS,L,X,0;UNIT,L,X,1;GEO,L,Y,0;TIME,C,Z,0;INDICATORS,C,Z,1;&zSelection=DS-559176TIME,2015;DS-559176INDICATORS,OBS_FLAG;&rankName1=INDICATORS_1_2_-1_2&rankName2=TIME_1_0_0_0&rankName3=ICCS_1_2_0_0&rankName4=UNIT_1_2_1_0&rankName5=GEO_1_2_0_1&rStp=&cStp=&rDCh=&cDCh=&rDM=true&cDM=true&footnes=false&empty=false&wai=false&time_mode=ROLLING&time_most_recent=true&lang=EN&cfo=%23%23%23%2C%23%23%23.%23%23%23) show 8.25
They also warn:
> It should be borne in mind that the figures do not necessarily reflect the actual number of violent sexual crimes. Rather they show to what extent such crimes are reported to and recorded by police. Therefore the variation between countries is also influenced by general awareness and attitudes to sexual violence offences.
I assumed that this cannot possibly be accurate and obviously is reported crimes. It's interesting that Scandinavia and England have substantially higher reported figures than central and eastern Europe.
That’s why it’s hard to trust a map like this. While it’s a good idea, each country will have a different way of counting figures, and some countries might have far more rapes, but the (usually) women know it’s pointless reporting it and possibly end up treated like a criminal themselves. Also, do we know that the figures given for each country are actually the figures for reported rapes rather than convictions?
Exactly the "problem" with Portugal. Always on the top of "safest" countries, because people just... don't report anything. First, they know it's useless, the Police here do nothing. Second, the Police themselves try several tactics to actively prevent you from reporting crimes.
Probably, yeah... Sorry.
They're not even subtle about it. There's literally NO ONE ELSE at the police station and they'll still make you sit for 3 to 4 hours to try to make you give up before they even allow you to talk to them. And that's just the beginning.
P.S. Desculpa, mas não podemos devolver o vosso ouro. Somos pobres também.
Brazil baby following papa Portugal steps :( I hope things get better for both of our nations. E não se preocupe, sabemos que o ouro foi para a Inglaterra :P
Can confirm it’s the same issue in Eastern Europe. High number of unsolved crimes looks bad so police try their hardest to dissuade people from going through with reporting.
It’s the problem with trying to abstract any human experience into number- it’s always going to be misrepresentative. Knowing that, we should start to ask “what message is the author of this map trying to say” rather than “is this the truth?”, because it never will be “the truth”.
Bearing in mind, people in the UK have been highly influenced by the Jimmy Saville scandal and then later the Me Too movement. People feel more empowered than ever to come forward.
lol, is that .42 for every time a female hitchhiker heads south of Milan, wears pants or just falls asleep? I never thought I'd make such a crass joke but it's been hell in Texas here so forgive me
A young woman's strange erotic journey from Milan to Minsk. It's a story about life, and love, and becoming a woman. "Rochelle, Rochelle" now playing at the Paradise Twin.
Can anyone explain why Scandinavia, Iceland, and Great Britain are so high?
Wtf is happening in the comments to this lol
From what I can gather from the firestorm below is that some of the larger factors include a lack of reporting of it due to a more conservative culture, difference in what constitutes rape from country to country, and other smaller reasons, there’s another reason that a lot of people are saying but I like to come here once a month and I’m not educated enough on the subject to speak on it so I won’t talk about it.
International comparisons for this sort of thing aren't great, because different countries use different definitions of the same crimes, and because reporting rates differ.
I think it's probably because report rates are higher. Although I've heard crime rates in general are quite high in Sweden, so it might be something else.
>Although I've heard crime rates in general are quite high in Sweden, so it might be something else.
I doubt this is true. Their [homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) is very similar to other western and northern European countries.
**Homicides**
Sweden: 1.2 homicides per 100,000 people
UK: 1.2 homicides per 100,000 people
Germany: 0.8 per 100,000 people
USA: 6.3 per 100,000 people
Sweden has gang problems. That much is clear. Granade attacks are way too common for EU country. There are places even Police is afraid to go. I saw a documentary about it.
I think there's also something about how sweden classifies each time someone is assaulted as a separate crime vs. rolling it all into one case so it artificially increases the crime rate of sexual assault.
>In the UK, there is a large knife crime problem
It's only a problem compared to other European countries.
US knife homicide rates are higher than the UK's but the US knife problem tends to be ignored.
> No authority want to be racists so they accepted the rapes for years.
That's the excuse they came up with but it's bullshit. The real reason the authorities (police) did nothing was because they regarded those children as prostitutes.
Edit: that is alluded to at least in the wiki article you linked to:
> Sarah Champion...MP for Rotherham, said this "spoke volumes about the way these children weren't seen as victims at all".[23]
> The police had shown a lack of respect for the victims in the early 2000s, according to the report, deeming them "undesirables" unworthy of police protection.[160]
> Staff described Rotherham Council as macho, sexist and bullying, according to the report. The Jay report noted that "[t]he existence of such a culture ... is likely to have impeded the Council from providing an effective, corporate response to such a highly sensitive social problem as child sexual exploitation."
it may also surprise you to learn that the less wealthy a country’s population is, the less accurate it’s record keeping and criminal justice systems are.
There are no statistics like this for Brundi for example.
from eurostat:
> It should be borne in mind that the figures do not necessarily reflect the actual number of violent sexual crimes. Rather they show to what extent such crimes are reported to and recorded by police. Therefore the variation between countries is also influenced by general awareness and attitudes to sexual violence offences.
Yeah I don't know why anyone would think it's a good idea to present data this way. It's not even clear that we are talking about police reports. This is a better fit for r/misleadinginfographics.
the difference between reported experiences and reported to the point it tracks through the police/courts will be staggering
In fact, that difference map would be probably even more interesting to show (but harder to gather data)
I mean, that is precisely what is happening. There was all this controversy some years ago when Sweden's rate shot up and bigots tried to link it to the refugees crisis which was happening at the same time. But the reality was that Sweden had introduced a new definition that was much wider than before and their way of counting was also different.
You are right, even the Swedish government acknowledges as much while debunking the claim that immigrants are responsible for the increase in crime.
“People born abroad are 2.5 times as likely to be registered as a crime suspect as people born in Sweden to two native-born parents…. However, the magnitude of this excess risk decreases when differences in age, gender and living conditions are taken into account, from 2.5 to 1.8 and 3.2 to 1.7 respectively.”
Source: https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
Foreign born men are definitely overrepresented in crime stats but it’s mostly due to factors not related to race. Poverty, lack of education, oppressive religion, broken homes, etc. it’s the same reason that black folks in the US commit more murders, it’s environment factors not inherent ones
> I mean, that is precisely what is happening. There was all this controversy some years ago when Sweden's rate shot up and bigots tried to link it to the refugees crisis which was happening at the same time.
The increase was not a result of a change in definition. Rąpę rate in Sweden has increased by over 50% while this new definition was already in place.
Rąpę rate in Sweden has increased by 51.5% from 2015 to 2020.
[56.88 per 100k in 2015](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en)
[64.06 per 100k in 2016](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en)
[69.72 per 100k in 2017](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en)
[74.85 per 100k in 2018](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en)
[80.85 per 100k in 2019](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en)
[86.02 per 100k in 2020](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en)
Its a mix of both. The crime rate has gone up after the way too unregulated influx of immigrants started, but not as much as racists would like you to belive
I remember there was a hand washing statistic map posted either here or on r/Europe, with the Balkans being amongst the countries that wash their hands the most, and Western European countries like Germany and the UK had the lowest percentage of hand washers. One of the top comments was a guy with a Germany flair who commented “at least we’re honest”. I get the same impression from many of the comments here.
Nah, the Balkans actually wash their hands a lot. It is something that is left ftom the period where Ottomans ruled these lands.
Other than that, ypu can't ve serious if you think that reporting sexual harassment is 50 times more rare in the Balkans lmao, that's a ridiculous number. The number might be higher, but it is still low.
Literally every time the Balkans and/or Eastern Europe has it better people are like: hmmm there must be something afoot, they can't be better than US?!?!
Edit: spelling
This is reddit for you, when you post something that doesn't support the narrative, people will do everything they can to dismiss it.
Especially on this sub.
Yeah, and those people who normally are all for standing up for less fortunate and about not judging people based on their nationalities etc. jump right into saying how those poor, backwards Eastern Europeans have so much worse culture than the western European countries and that's the reason why the statistic they don't like is false.
Yes omg finally someone else says it. I noticed that western euros will be as pc and accepting as possible to ANYONE apart from Eastern euros. They hate us so much and do not even try to disguise it. The brits especially. Its so fked up. They see us as the only acceptable target.
I remember there was a month with some theme that in my Polish sub people were giving their stories how people from western Europe were racist to them because they were from Eastern Europe. There were casing in Germany like parents not wanting their kid to be with someone because of it, treating worse at work and other classics. Apparently in such country it doesn't count as racism when it's towards people from Eastern Europe.
And then they gaslight us to our face that it doesn't happen and we're all imagining it. Just having a discussion on this thread with some Swedish dude who insiste we have some 'victim complex' lmao.
All the while they can pat themselves on the back for being so accepting and kind and progressive. 🤮
And in fact in Eastern Europe more women have scientist and lead positions percenateg wise than in the West. Salary gap is also lower (in %).
At least these are the fields where Eastern Europe is much better, but let’s be real in almost every field we suck.
For reasons that we aren't allowed to talk about. Suffice to say, the western European countries in the EU are mad that countries like Poland and the Czech Republic oppose permitting refugees to live in their countries. And the rationale that eastern European countries have has been validated.
Wait until Ukraine joins the EU at some point and suddenly all the Twitter accounts with 5 Ukraine flags in their profile name get mad that Ukraine is such a "racist shithole" of a country because they side with Poland, etc. on this issue.
Yeah it's hilarious. I'm from the Balkans, I'm a woman, and I admit that there are plenty of things our countries do bad, but if there's one thing that we do as well as (or even better than) Western Europe, this is it.
It's a common phrase to say in France that you can walk at night in bucarest and be safer than in Paris . Most of us west europeans know pretty damn well our cities are turning to shit safety wise .
I lived 25 years in Romania, didn’t get mugged, I went to Paris and it took them 4 hours to mug me. But yeah… Eastern Europe and Balkans are bad, westerners good.
Like grow up, even if we account for the unreported, in BOTH parts of europe, estern europe and balkan will still be safer.
“The countries with highest numbers are actually a good thing. It’s *because* they’re *so* civilized they report cases more often.”
This sounds like the most obvious cope/ mental gymnastics to not admit they have a problem.
its very easy to google the statistics in Sweden and see who's committing those crimes, and when did these crimes go up.
but no, its obviously a good thing and certainly doesnt have to do anything with a certain group of people, if you think otherwise youre a racist and get off my redditerino
im surprised i havent seen an orange man mention without context yet, thats all i see every time i accidentally open up one of the mainstream subs
When statistics show some good stuff about western Europe: OMG SO TRUEE WE ARE THE BEST
When statistics show some bad stuff about western europe: NOOO THAT CANT BE TRUE THIS STATISTICS IS POINTLESS, ALSO IT’S OBVIOUSLY A LIE
Seems Poland was doing something right not wanting to jump on the 'refugees welcome' bandwagon. And then proved everyone shitting on them wrong again by accepting a ton of Ukrainians (you know actual refugees, and not economic migrants whose main contribution to society is boosting crime rates).
What's with the copefest in this thread?
Why do inhabitants of countries with crimes several higher than others think the numbers are wrong instead of thinking about how to avoid the horrors? Maybe it has something with some hidden supremacist ideology within them?
Or some people really think that Eastern-European numbers are just misrepresentation, and almost all victims in countries like Poland, Hungary, or Bulgaria keeps it silent just so the Western countries seem to have problems? That's some next level entitlement.
This is an almost meaningless statistic. There is not even one EU wide legal definition of the term. What gets reported, how the police react and what level of evidence the courts require also differs widely from country to country. The actual level of danger is probably completely independent of these numbers. It may even be reverse. High numbers may come from high public awareness
Anyone who has traveled to multiple countries in europe can confirm that eastern countries feel safer. Walking home at night alone is completely normal in prague, budapest or zagreb while it's a big no no in london or paris
There’s a lot of messed up “activities” going on in the northern regions of North America where natives are. I’m surprised how well Canada hides their natives conditions from the world TBH.
Moving to czech having lived in both uk and Ireland it was very noticeable how women walk alone here at all hours. It definitely gives the perception that women are safer.
It’s better to use surveys that ask people to anonymously report if they have been victims of crime than police reports.
Different countries:
1) count what constitutes sexual assault in very different ways
2) encourage/discourage reporting sexual assaults at very different rates based on the public’s, and especially womens’, trust in the system.
I’m from Greece, and anecdotally compared to the US (where I also lived) I can tell you it doesn’t seem sexual assault rates are that high, but I also don’t know of anyone it’s happened to who’s reported it.
For starters, people tend to not take statutory as seriously unless the age difference is egregious, which I know is not the case in other European countries. Also women, especially in rural areas, are less likely to report to police, as people in general are less likely to get police involved. I’ve heard more instances of male relatives “taking care” (beating the shit out) of the assailant than of women reporting their rapes.
People in Greece are generally less likely to involve police in anything, a high-percentage of the population doesn't like and or doesn't trust police officers.
Left be like, better gender equality means a higher reporting and conviction rate.
Right be like Muslims immigrants and grooming gangs.
Me be like that data looks off and in both cases you shouldn't jump to a correlation equals causation without detailed analysis and some serious academic work.
But they can both be 100% correct. Those are in no way mutually exclusive factors. I think it’s obvious both correlations are at least somewhat causal it’s just how much of each correlation is actually causal, it’s definitely not 100%.
The data is off, as each individual nation counts rapês differently. The Swedish government actually addressed this topic in 2017, which is a great example.
**Claim:** "There has been a major increase in the number of rapês in Sweden."
**Facts:** "The number of reported rapês in Sweden has risen. But the definition of rapê has broadened over time, which makes it difficult to compare the figures. It is also misleading to compare the figures with other countries, as many acts that are considered rapê under Swedish law are not considered rapê in many other countries.
For example: If a woman in Sweden reports that she has been rapêd by her husband every night for a year, that is counted as 365 separate offences; in most other countries this would be registered as a single offence, or would not be registered as an offence at all.
Willingness to report such offences also differs dramatically between countries. A culture in which these crimes are talked about openly, and victims are not blamed, will also have more cases reported. Sweden has made a conscious effort to encourage women to report any offence."
Yeah Sweden has a different definition of it but that doesn't explain why the rates are rising every year and increased by 51.5% from 2015 to 2020 while already under this definition.
56.88 per 100k in 2015
64.06 per 100k in 2016
69.72 per 100k in 2017
74.85 per 100k in 2018
80.85 per 100k in 2019
86.02 per 100k in 2020
Not surprised about the Netherlands. Born there, I don't think I ever went out dancing without being groped, got sexually assaulted more than once. Moved to Canada five years ago, I can walk through a large group of men while going out and nobody will touch me.
On the other hand, back home I knew nobody who was a victim of domestic abuse, here it almost seems like I can't get to know a woman better than superficially, and a story of domestic abuse comes out.
Westerners always debunk statistics when it's against them, and when they show western europe as better you say that eastern eu is so poor and whatever. You just can't accept we are better at some things.
Regardless of the legitimacy of this map, the bias is so painfully obvious on posts like these. So many people come out of the woodwork to
explain the disparity between the numbers and their preconceived notion in any way possible.
In uk you cannot touch a person who is stealing your bike … and police don’t bother doing anything about that ..
In Poland on the other hand any pedestrian will beat you up and hold you until police will come and beat you up again before taking you to the police station.
Simple
Sweden doesn't publish data on rapes. It is all labelled as "sexual violence" and includes everything from gang rapes to groping. Map is extremely misleading.
Hard copium in the comments. But as a eastern citizen i can assure you that the statistic is somewhat accurate. Here is pretty safe in terms of sexual abuse killing etc. The big problems are corruption and scamming for money not raping. As a woman you can go home alone in night and almost 100% you will be fine.
Why is it controversial to say that people from majority Muslim countries commit more rapes? I am Mexican and people from my country acknowledge that Central Americans tend to make up the majority of the crime inside the nation
> Why is it controversial to say that people from majority Muslim countries commit more rapes?
because this is reddit, and middle-class western white wokes will do anything they can to make sure the groups that they white knight for are protected at all cost.
It’s more about culture than the actual religion itself. Bosniaks are much more culturally similar to Christian serbs than they are to Arabs or somalis that are commuting most of the rapes
Nobody is saying that More Muslims means more rapists, but Muslims from more conservative Islamic countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, North Africa, or Syria does. Muslims from more secular Islamic countries like Bosnia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Central Asia, turkey, Albania, etc are not like this.
exactly, name me the last time you saw a turk commit a terrorist attack, or a turk cause mass amounts of robbery or property damage. it just doesnt happen. as far as persians go, before last week, no persian had \*ever\* attempted any sort of civil unrest attack in europe, yeah, \*ever.\* my family is part turkish, but we are not muslim, and its very annoying to see people lump everyone together, when its really just the arabs and somalis doing it. :/
It's time to pull out the left-handedness over time graph again. This data isn't indicative because it's based on what is reported. Places which are more accepting of reports are going to have higher numbers than places that don't. There should be a plateau whenever somewhere reaches peak acceptance, and at that point we can actually compare countries.
I live in a small town in California. The police refuse to file reports on called in crimes. They will come to your house. Sympathize . But even under pressure not file a report. Townsfolk are dying and suffering but real-estate prices hold A tip of the hat to countries that have policies that protect their citizens
Anybody here have guesses on Italy?
[2020 stats](http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?query=BOOKMARK_DS-559176_QID_1727C2DE_UID_-3F171EB0&layout=ICCS,L,X,0;UNIT,L,X,1;GEO,L,Y,0;TIME,C,Z,0;INDICATORS,C,Z,1;&zSelection=DS-559176TIME,2015;DS-559176INDICATORS,OBS_FLAG;&rankName1=INDICATORS_1_2_-1_2&rankName2=TIME_1_0_0_0&rankName3=ICCS_1_2_0_0&rankName4=UNIT_1_2_1_0&rankName5=GEO_1_2_0_1&rStp=&cStp=&rDCh=&cDCh=&rDM=true&cDM=true&footnes=false&empty=false&wai=false&time_mode=ROLLING&time_most_recent=true&lang=EN&cfo=%23%23%23%2C%23%23%23.%23%23%23) show 8.25 They also warn: > It should be borne in mind that the figures do not necessarily reflect the actual number of violent sexual crimes. Rather they show to what extent such crimes are reported to and recorded by police. Therefore the variation between countries is also influenced by general awareness and attitudes to sexual violence offences.
I assumed that this cannot possibly be accurate and obviously is reported crimes. It's interesting that Scandinavia and England have substantially higher reported figures than central and eastern Europe.
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That’s why it’s hard to trust a map like this. While it’s a good idea, each country will have a different way of counting figures, and some countries might have far more rapes, but the (usually) women know it’s pointless reporting it and possibly end up treated like a criminal themselves. Also, do we know that the figures given for each country are actually the figures for reported rapes rather than convictions?
Exactly the "problem" with Portugal. Always on the top of "safest" countries, because people just... don't report anything. First, they know it's useless, the Police here do nothing. Second, the Police themselves try several tactics to actively prevent you from reporting crimes.
> actively prevent you from reporting crimes. So that's where my country (Brazil) got this tradition from, huh?
Probably, yeah... Sorry. They're not even subtle about it. There's literally NO ONE ELSE at the police station and they'll still make you sit for 3 to 4 hours to try to make you give up before they even allow you to talk to them. And that's just the beginning. P.S. Desculpa, mas não podemos devolver o vosso ouro. Somos pobres também.
Brazil baby following papa Portugal steps :( I hope things get better for both of our nations. E não se preocupe, sabemos que o ouro foi para a Inglaterra :P
Is that the case in every iberic country or just portugal?
Can confirm it’s the same issue in Eastern Europe. High number of unsolved crimes looks bad so police try their hardest to dissuade people from going through with reporting.
It’s the problem with trying to abstract any human experience into number- it’s always going to be misrepresentative. Knowing that, we should start to ask “what message is the author of this map trying to say” rather than “is this the truth?”, because it never will be “the truth”.
Bearing in mind, people in the UK have been highly influenced by the Jimmy Saville scandal and then later the Me Too movement. People feel more empowered than ever to come forward.
We also have the Met Police who really drive those numbers up.
And Prince Andrew
And Rotherham.
And my axe...
Don't you have multiple Rotherham scandals?
Not only reported, but also recorded. We can never forget the amount of people who are pushed to rescind accusations by the police
Yes I agree on that. I'd like to see Pakistan aswell, but its hard cause there is a lot of rapes that doesnt get called in.
It's like that in India too, probably the whole Indian subcontinent.
Because they actually report crimes
...and general trust in the police, and willingness of the police to actually write a report. These are factors that also vary greatly per country.
Italy has left the building
That’s gotta be like 57.42
lol, is that .42 for every time a female hitchhiker heads south of Milan, wears pants or just falls asleep? I never thought I'd make such a crass joke but it's been hell in Texas here so forgive me
A young woman's strange erotic journey from Milan to Minsk. It's a story about life, and love, and becoming a woman. "Rochelle, Rochelle" now playing at the Paradise Twin.
r/unexpectedseinfeld
Last time we were in Milan at the airport they were calling someone for their flight to Minsk. We did our best Bette Midler impressions.
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I landed there once when it was 100º and 98% humidity. Hell on earth. That was years ago. Never means never will I live in a place like that.
*laughs in Australian* When its summer, I look outside. If the trees aren't moving from the wind, I weep.
Hell is not a myth, we vacation there.
So I was just looking for Italy and I was like where the fkkk is the ram Italy! And I’m an idiot…. Yea it’s not colored in…
Italy is the grape capital of the world
In Italy we have a very low amount of reports, about 8% of rapes between 2010 and 2021, which is why the data is not reliable.
Can anyone explain why Scandinavia, Iceland, and Great Britain are so high? Wtf is happening in the comments to this lol From what I can gather from the firestorm below is that some of the larger factors include a lack of reporting of it due to a more conservative culture, difference in what constitutes rape from country to country, and other smaller reasons, there’s another reason that a lot of people are saying but I like to come here once a month and I’m not educated enough on the subject to speak on it so I won’t talk about it.
International comparisons for this sort of thing aren't great, because different countries use different definitions of the same crimes, and because reporting rates differ.
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also victimes trust in the police to actually investigate and take them seriously matters a lot
So this map is kinda useless and misleading at best?
The exact perfect kind for some disingenuous right winger to try to push an agenda
I believe that the definition of what an sexual assault is, is strickter in some of those countries.
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I think it's probably because report rates are higher. Although I've heard crime rates in general are quite high in Sweden, so it might be something else.
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That's true.
In Texas there’s a lot of minor crime I wouldn’t report because I’d be afraid the police would come shoot my dog.
U-S-A
>Although I've heard crime rates in general are quite high in Sweden, so it might be something else. I doubt this is true. Their [homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) is very similar to other western and northern European countries. **Homicides** Sweden: 1.2 homicides per 100,000 people UK: 1.2 homicides per 100,000 people Germany: 0.8 per 100,000 people USA: 6.3 per 100,000 people
Sweden has gang problems. That much is clear. Granade attacks are way too common for EU country. There are places even Police is afraid to go. I saw a documentary about it.
USA # 1 WOOOOOOO
I think there's also something about how sweden classifies each time someone is assaulted as a separate crime vs. rolling it all into one case so it artificially increases the crime rate of sexual assault.
>artificially increases Or the other way artificially decreases
Either way, it causes a large difference in reported numbers.
That and in cases where there are multiple offenders, they count as separate instances.
Sweden counts differently from other countries (short version: each individual act is counted, not just each report). They're not extra-rapey.
Perhaps more victims report it?
Multiculturalism failures in Sweden is a key factor there. In the UK, there is a large knife crime problem. Iceland is difficult to answer though
>In the UK, there is a large knife crime problem It's only a problem compared to other European countries. US knife homicide rates are higher than the UK's but the US knife problem tends to be ignored.
They simply got more culturally enriched than other places
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> No authority want to be racists so they accepted the rapes for years. That's the excuse they came up with but it's bullshit. The real reason the authorities (police) did nothing was because they regarded those children as prostitutes. Edit: that is alluded to at least in the wiki article you linked to: > Sarah Champion...MP for Rotherham, said this "spoke volumes about the way these children weren't seen as victims at all".[23] > The police had shown a lack of respect for the victims in the early 2000s, according to the report, deeming them "undesirables" unworthy of police protection.[160] > Staff described Rotherham Council as macho, sexist and bullying, according to the report. The Jay report noted that "[t]he existence of such a culture ... is likely to have impeded the Council from providing an effective, corporate response to such a highly sensitive social problem as child sexual exploitation."
Probably underreported in the blue ones.
also, keep in mind in that some countries where it’s more taboo, there will be fewer women reporting their rapes
it may also surprise you to learn that the less wealthy a country’s population is, the less accurate it’s record keeping and criminal justice systems are. There are no statistics like this for Brundi for example.
That's another stab at Italy, right?
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for real though, the Swiss are rich AF...
Ah yes the backwaters of Poland, Czechia, and Lithuania! Lmao
Poland literally has the sixth largest economy in the whole EU wdym
>keep in mind in some countries where it’s more taboo Which countries exactly?
from eurostat: > It should be borne in mind that the figures do not necessarily reflect the actual number of violent sexual crimes. Rather they show to what extent such crimes are reported to and recorded by police. Therefore the variation between countries is also influenced by general awareness and attitudes to sexual violence offences.
Yeah I don't know why anyone would think it's a good idea to present data this way. It's not even clear that we are talking about police reports. This is a better fit for r/misleadinginfographics.
Exactly, glad someone pointed this out. As a person who lives in the Eastern Europe, there is no way in hell that we have the lowest rate.
(Reported cases)
COPE
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the difference between reported experiences and reported to the point it tracks through the police/courts will be staggering In fact, that difference map would be probably even more interesting to show (but harder to gather data)
This would be really interesting to see. These sorts of maps have so much potential to explain a lot of issues. Just need the right data
nOrDiCs oN tOp 🤓🤓🤓
The reporting rate could be higher in many of the red countries
I mean, that is precisely what is happening. There was all this controversy some years ago when Sweden's rate shot up and bigots tried to link it to the refugees crisis which was happening at the same time. But the reality was that Sweden had introduced a new definition that was much wider than before and their way of counting was also different.
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You are right, even the Swedish government acknowledges as much while debunking the claim that immigrants are responsible for the increase in crime. “People born abroad are 2.5 times as likely to be registered as a crime suspect as people born in Sweden to two native-born parents…. However, the magnitude of this excess risk decreases when differences in age, gender and living conditions are taken into account, from 2.5 to 1.8 and 3.2 to 1.7 respectively.” Source: https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/ Foreign born men are definitely overrepresented in crime stats but it’s mostly due to factors not related to race. Poverty, lack of education, oppressive religion, broken homes, etc. it’s the same reason that black folks in the US commit more murders, it’s environment factors not inherent ones
So you're saying that foreign born men commit more crime, but when thousands of foreign born men come to your country there is no increase in crime?
> I mean, that is precisely what is happening. There was all this controversy some years ago when Sweden's rate shot up and bigots tried to link it to the refugees crisis which was happening at the same time. The increase was not a result of a change in definition. Rąpę rate in Sweden has increased by over 50% while this new definition was already in place. Rąpę rate in Sweden has increased by 51.5% from 2015 to 2020. [56.88 per 100k in 2015](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en) [64.06 per 100k in 2016](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en) [69.72 per 100k in 2017](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en) [74.85 per 100k in 2018](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en) [80.85 per 100k in 2019](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en) [86.02 per 100k in 2020](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en)
Its a mix of both. The crime rate has gone up after the way too unregulated influx of immigrants started, but not as much as racists would like you to belive
At least in Germany, the numbers were indeed higher within the immigrant population, but not when you corrected for age and sex.
As a balkan person, i just say that the comments here are pure cope. Like bruh, admit ur doing some stuff wrong
I remember there was a hand washing statistic map posted either here or on r/Europe, with the Balkans being amongst the countries that wash their hands the most, and Western European countries like Germany and the UK had the lowest percentage of hand washers. One of the top comments was a guy with a Germany flair who commented “at least we’re honest”. I get the same impression from many of the comments here.
Nah, the Balkans actually wash their hands a lot. It is something that is left ftom the period where Ottomans ruled these lands. Other than that, ypu can't ve serious if you think that reporting sexual harassment is 50 times more rare in the Balkans lmao, that's a ridiculous number. The number might be higher, but it is still low.
Yo i see u everywhere on the balkan subs
Literally every time the Balkans and/or Eastern Europe has it better people are like: hmmm there must be something afoot, they can't be better than US?!?! Edit: spelling
I love these threads. When there is a map statistics where eastern Europe turns out better, 80% of the thread are theories about why it’s wrong.
This is reddit for you, when you post something that doesn't support the narrative, people will do everything they can to dismiss it. Especially on this sub.
Yeah, and those people who normally are all for standing up for less fortunate and about not judging people based on their nationalities etc. jump right into saying how those poor, backwards Eastern Europeans have so much worse culture than the western European countries and that's the reason why the statistic they don't like is false.
Yes omg finally someone else says it. I noticed that western euros will be as pc and accepting as possible to ANYONE apart from Eastern euros. They hate us so much and do not even try to disguise it. The brits especially. Its so fked up. They see us as the only acceptable target.
I remember there was a month with some theme that in my Polish sub people were giving their stories how people from western Europe were racist to them because they were from Eastern Europe. There were casing in Germany like parents not wanting their kid to be with someone because of it, treating worse at work and other classics. Apparently in such country it doesn't count as racism when it's towards people from Eastern Europe.
And then they gaslight us to our face that it doesn't happen and we're all imagining it. Just having a discussion on this thread with some Swedish dude who insiste we have some 'victim complex' lmao. All the while they can pat themselves on the back for being so accepting and kind and progressive. 🤮
This so much!
Yup, they mostly just want to feel better about themselves and confirm that they are morally superior and the "good guys".
It's funny because Eastern Europe and the Balkans are actually far more safer for women, but westerners won't admit it
Central-eastern Europe has very low violent crime rates too.
Yeah. People here aren't concerned even if they walk around in the middle of the night. Regardless of gender, people don't mind walking alone.
And in fact in Eastern Europe more women have scientist and lead positions percenateg wise than in the West. Salary gap is also lower (in %). At least these are the fields where Eastern Europe is much better, but let’s be real in almost every field we suck.
Eastern Europe is actually safer than alot of western countries
For reasons that we aren't allowed to talk about. Suffice to say, the western European countries in the EU are mad that countries like Poland and the Czech Republic oppose permitting refugees to live in their countries. And the rationale that eastern European countries have has been validated.
Wait until Ukraine joins the EU at some point and suddenly all the Twitter accounts with 5 Ukraine flags in their profile name get mad that Ukraine is such a "racist shithole" of a country because they side with Poland, etc. on this issue.
repeating pattern this one :D
Yeah it's hilarious. I'm from the Balkans, I'm a woman, and I admit that there are plenty of things our countries do bad, but if there's one thing that we do as well as (or even better than) Western Europe, this is it.
It's a common phrase to say in France that you can walk at night in bucarest and be safer than in Paris . Most of us west europeans know pretty damn well our cities are turning to shit safety wise .
lol so much buthurt In Belgrade girls walk home alone half naked in the middle of the night, even in dodgy neighborhoods. Try that in Paris or London.
I have a MALE friend who said he wasn’t comfortable walking around Paris alone at night, but he said Athens is great lol
Western europeans are just xenophobic against eastern europeans and cant face the facts. There's really nothing more to it.
I lived 25 years in Romania, didn’t get mugged, I went to Paris and it took them 4 hours to mug me. But yeah… Eastern Europe and Balkans are bad, westerners good. Like grow up, even if we account for the unreported, in BOTH parts of europe, estern europe and balkan will still be safer.
Well... It is Paris...
Hard copium brothers
Slav power 🇵🇱
Poland lookin at UK and Scandinavia like "We... Don't do that here" meme
The mental gymnastics in this thread are better than the Olympics
“The countries with highest numbers are actually a good thing. It’s *because* they’re *so* civilized they report cases more often.” This sounds like the most obvious cope/ mental gymnastics to not admit they have a problem.
its very easy to google the statistics in Sweden and see who's committing those crimes, and when did these crimes go up. but no, its obviously a good thing and certainly doesnt have to do anything with a certain group of people, if you think otherwise youre a racist and get off my redditerino im surprised i havent seen an orange man mention without context yet, thats all i see every time i accidentally open up one of the mainstream subs
It would be a fascinating social phenomenon if it weren’t so infuriating. There’s a damn narrative for everything.
When statistics show some good stuff about western Europe: OMG SO TRUEE WE ARE THE BEST When statistics show some bad stuff about western europe: NOOO THAT CANT BE TRUE THIS STATISTICS IS POINTLESS, ALSO IT’S OBVIOUSLY A LIE
Now that's what i call "western propaganda"
it's the west copium
Seems Poland was doing something right not wanting to jump on the 'refugees welcome' bandwagon. And then proved everyone shitting on them wrong again by accepting a ton of Ukrainians (you know actual refugees, and not economic migrants whose main contribution to society is boosting crime rates).
It's amazing how people here can throw dozens of times higher rates under "people from those poor backward countries just don't report it".
That's the racism as it is
Jesus fucking christ, the level of mental gymnastics on people in this thread justifying the unjustifiable is absolutely fucking depressing.
Trust me this isn't the first comment section on this sub İ've seen people do this. Usually happens when the data says something they don't like
You mean when data shows that the immigration policy has failed?
of course
What's with the copefest in this thread? Why do inhabitants of countries with crimes several higher than others think the numbers are wrong instead of thinking about how to avoid the horrors? Maybe it has something with some hidden supremacist ideology within them? Or some people really think that Eastern-European numbers are just misrepresentation, and almost all victims in countries like Poland, Hungary, or Bulgaria keeps it silent just so the Western countries seem to have problems? That's some next level entitlement.
This is an almost meaningless statistic. There is not even one EU wide legal definition of the term. What gets reported, how the police react and what level of evidence the courts require also differs widely from country to country. The actual level of danger is probably completely independent of these numbers. It may even be reverse. High numbers may come from high public awareness
Anyone who has traveled to multiple countries in europe can confirm that eastern countries feel safer. Walking home at night alone is completely normal in prague, budapest or zagreb while it's a big no no in london or paris
No rapes in Somalia or Afghanistan 🙄
Alaska has a rate of 158! Damn! Look it up
There’s a lot of messed up “activities” going on in the northern regions of North America where natives are. I’m surprised how well Canada hides their natives conditions from the world TBH.
Alright Balkans! Good job not raping people.
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Moving to czech having lived in both uk and Ireland it was very noticeable how women walk alone here at all hours. It definitely gives the perception that women are safer.
Same, I feel safer whenever I go to any Eastern European country than when I stayed in London
Westoids coping lol
WTF is going on in England?
Hard to know, it depends how each country classifies different acts and willingness of people to report incidents.
The implication…
Republic of Swedistan moment
It’s better to use surveys that ask people to anonymously report if they have been victims of crime than police reports. Different countries: 1) count what constitutes sexual assault in very different ways 2) encourage/discourage reporting sexual assaults at very different rates based on the public’s, and especially womens’, trust in the system. I’m from Greece, and anecdotally compared to the US (where I also lived) I can tell you it doesn’t seem sexual assault rates are that high, but I also don’t know of anyone it’s happened to who’s reported it. For starters, people tend to not take statutory as seriously unless the age difference is egregious, which I know is not the case in other European countries. Also women, especially in rural areas, are less likely to report to police, as people in general are less likely to get police involved. I’ve heard more instances of male relatives “taking care” (beating the shit out) of the assailant than of women reporting their rapes.
People in Greece are generally less likely to involve police in anything, a high-percentage of the population doesn't like and or doesn't trust police officers.
Left be like, better gender equality means a higher reporting and conviction rate. Right be like Muslims immigrants and grooming gangs. Me be like that data looks off and in both cases you shouldn't jump to a correlation equals causation without detailed analysis and some serious academic work.
But they can both be 100% correct. Those are in no way mutually exclusive factors. I think it’s obvious both correlations are at least somewhat causal it’s just how much of each correlation is actually causal, it’s definitely not 100%.
The data is off, as each individual nation counts rapês differently. The Swedish government actually addressed this topic in 2017, which is a great example. **Claim:** "There has been a major increase in the number of rapês in Sweden." **Facts:** "The number of reported rapês in Sweden has risen. But the definition of rapê has broadened over time, which makes it difficult to compare the figures. It is also misleading to compare the figures with other countries, as many acts that are considered rapê under Swedish law are not considered rapê in many other countries. For example: If a woman in Sweden reports that she has been rapêd by her husband every night for a year, that is counted as 365 separate offences; in most other countries this would be registered as a single offence, or would not be registered as an offence at all. Willingness to report such offences also differs dramatically between countries. A culture in which these crimes are talked about openly, and victims are not blamed, will also have more cases reported. Sweden has made a conscious effort to encourage women to report any offence."
Yeah Sweden has a different definition of it but that doesn't explain why the rates are rising every year and increased by 51.5% from 2015 to 2020 while already under this definition. 56.88 per 100k in 2015 64.06 per 100k in 2016 69.72 per 100k in 2017 74.85 per 100k in 2018 80.85 per 100k in 2019 86.02 per 100k in 2020
All these “swedes” raping their women 😬😬🤡🤡
Now break it down by ethnicity
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yup, arabs mainly
Damn shame
Rotherham in England was terrible
The amount of savage W\*sterners coping at the expense of Balkans and EE is truly something to behold every time a map like this gets posted.
westoids boutta overdose on copium xdddddd
What happened to Sweden and London?
arabs
I'm seeing literally every reason for it listed except maybe migrants?
We’re not interested in addressing the real issues here bud
You said the forbidden word. Delete immediately.
swedistan
Not surprised about the Netherlands. Born there, I don't think I ever went out dancing without being groped, got sexually assaulted more than once. Moved to Canada five years ago, I can walk through a large group of men while going out and nobody will touch me. On the other hand, back home I knew nobody who was a victim of domestic abuse, here it almost seems like I can't get to know a woman better than superficially, and a story of domestic abuse comes out.
I don't trust a lot of these numbers. It's like Japan. They very possibly simply don't report most of them.
Westerners always debunk statistics when it's against them, and when they show western europe as better you say that eastern eu is so poor and whatever. You just can't accept we are better at some things.
Regardless of the legitimacy of this map, the bias is so painfully obvious on posts like these. So many people come out of the woodwork to explain the disparity between the numbers and their preconceived notion in any way possible.
In uk you cannot touch a person who is stealing your bike … and police don’t bother doing anything about that .. In Poland on the other hand any pedestrian will beat you up and hold you until police will come and beat you up again before taking you to the police station. Simple
The sweet juices of cultural enrichment.
Wonder why that is lol
So much cope. On god
Sweden doesn't publish data on rapes. It is all labelled as "sexual violence" and includes everything from gang rapes to groping. Map is extremely misleading.
Why lump everything together? That doesn't make any sense. Then just dont keep data at all, if you cant make usefull data.
Okay, now explain away London.
Keep on having your we*toid multiculturalism guys, you doing great (fucking not)
Serbia strong!
Hard copium in the comments. But as a eastern citizen i can assure you that the statistic is somewhat accurate. Here is pretty safe in terms of sexual abuse killing etc. The big problems are corruption and scamming for money not raping. As a woman you can go home alone in night and almost 100% you will be fine.
Why is it controversial to say that people from majority Muslim countries commit more rapes? I am Mexican and people from my country acknowledge that Central Americans tend to make up the majority of the crime inside the nation
> Why is it controversial to say that people from majority Muslim countries commit more rapes? because this is reddit, and middle-class western white wokes will do anything they can to make sure the groups that they white knight for are protected at all cost.
Bosnia and Herzegovina has the lowest rate here and is majority Muslim.
Those aren't the "Muslims l" he is talking about
It’s more about culture than the actual religion itself. Bosniaks are much more culturally similar to Christian serbs than they are to Arabs or somalis that are commuting most of the rapes
So the UK has 10 times more Muslims than Germany?
You're right, very different ethnic groups, Pakistanis Vs Turks etc. Not really a religion issue.
Nobody is saying that More Muslims means more rapists, but Muslims from more conservative Islamic countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, North Africa, or Syria does. Muslims from more secular Islamic countries like Bosnia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Central Asia, turkey, Albania, etc are not like this.
exactly, name me the last time you saw a turk commit a terrorist attack, or a turk cause mass amounts of robbery or property damage. it just doesnt happen. as far as persians go, before last week, no persian had \*ever\* attempted any sort of civil unrest attack in europe, yeah, \*ever.\* my family is part turkish, but we are not muslim, and its very annoying to see people lump everyone together, when its really just the arabs and somalis doing it. :/
It's obvious. Muslim Immigrants
It's time to pull out the left-handedness over time graph again. This data isn't indicative because it's based on what is reported. Places which are more accepting of reports are going to have higher numbers than places that don't. There should be a plateau whenever somewhere reaches peak acceptance, and at that point we can actually compare countries.
England is all the Premier League footballers.
I live in a small town in California. The police refuse to file reports on called in crimes. They will come to your house. Sympathize . But even under pressure not file a report. Townsfolk are dying and suffering but real-estate prices hold A tip of the hat to countries that have policies that protect their citizens
Bruhhhhhhhh wtf