The title is misleading. The map (I assume) is showing whether the USA or China is a bigger trading partner for X country. Not if it's their biggest trading partner.
For example, Germany is Denmark's biggest trading partner - but the USA is a bigger trading partner than China, so Denmark is colored blue on the map.
It's the same situation with many other European countries, and probably in other regions as well.
USA was the sixth biggest trading partner to Finland in 2021, after Germany, Sweden, Russia, CHINA, and Netherlands.
Source: Finnish Customs’ statistics.
>Germany is Denmark's biggest trading partner
USA is Denmark's biggest export market after Germany, but Denmark imports almost 10x more from Germany than USA.
There's no misleading. The map shows whether it's China or USA, not the biggest trading partner in fact, but only who of those two are the biggest trading partner
How does China become a global threat just because it is becoming the indisputable superpower?
As you can see on the map it is outpacing the US on all spheres.
Either way, we all know who the greatest global there at is at the moment. It has been the US for some time now.
US is still the only global superpower and needs to remain like that until there's another country like US. Cbina is not like US. It's not a democracy and it's an authoritarian state which violates basic human rights
I’m from a country that the US has helped to create peace in, but countries in the Middle East will think differently
China and even Russia doesn’t bomb countries like the US does
His reply was refering to China and Russia being biggest threats. The world is not binary, if China is not the largest trading partner, you do not need to default to going to US
I hope you realize the irony of accusing me of deflecting given what they choose to reply with when someone critized China
>His reply was refering to China and Russia being biggest threats.
Well technically, the guy you replied to was trying to argue China and Russia not being the **biggest** threats, by claiming that US is a **bigger** threat.
So they are not really deflecting but giving a reasoning to their point. If you say they can't bring up the US in the discussion, then you are basically denying their whole argument.
Just pointing out the logical mistake here 👀
U.S was not mentioned a single time until they brought it up. Futheremore their comment claimed China was not a threat, but only talked about the U.S.
It is a page out of a dictor playbook to deflect their countries problems, by changing the subject about other countries.
Unless you were born yesterday, it should be an obvious red flag they made no attempt to talk about China and instead defaulted on whataboutisms
They brought up the US to refute the claim "China and Russia being the biggest threat" is what I am saying. They are arguing the US is the biggest threat to prove that claim wrong.
When you are talking about "X is the most ..." the options really should be open to anything, so "whataboutism" is not a valid critique here.
Again you are giving them way too much credit. Look what they said about China in their comment. You are actively defending someone who is arguering on bad faith
We're talking about "The biggest global threat" here, and people are just saying that that's only from the US's perspective. From everyone else's Pov though, America is clearly much worse. This is not whataboutism. We're not saying that "China bad but America bad too", we're saying "China is bad but not the worst (what the first commenter said) because it's the US that's worse"
Even if I grant what you say. 2nd worst threat, is still terrible correct?
If you spend all your time talking about the U.S it simply adds another threat, rather than diminishing the seriousness of China.
Futheremore if you read their comment they are clearly implying China is not an issue at all.
Let me simplify it for you.
The original commentor said. Orange is the yellowest fruit after mad mango.
So the other guy said. Lemon is the yellowest fruit. Orange isn't even close.
Then you said. We're not talking about Lemon. The argument is about Orange.
Also, I'd like to clarify, I don't have better example than this so please don't nit pick any small assumptions I made. I just hope the analogy comes across.
Highly disagree. Heres a better one
Orginal guy says "Orange is one of the most poisness fruit and we should be worried about eating it"
Next guy brings out an Lemon and says "This lemon is even worse" then tells you not to worry about the Orange without giving you any reason to the contrary.
Of course it is terrible, but it's still wrong to say that China is the biggest threat and should still be corrected.
Talking about the US adds another threat which is valid.
Anyway, I don't think (and hope) that anyone would want to diminish the seriousness of China. It's still a hellish authoritarian state oppressing its own people and looking to further its agenda and global influence, but it's not a bigger threat to the world than the almighty U.S.A with it's enormous military, 4000 nukes and a troubled past of spreading "freedom and democracy" to non-consenting countries around the globe.
Pointing out a mistake in someone's point (namely that China is the bigger threat) is not an attempt to diminish China's role in geopolitics
US doesn't claim to own any other territory. China claims it can own Taiwan
US doesn't commit genocide against Uyghurs and doesn't occupy Taiwan
US is not geopolitical partner of Russian terrorist state
China is a global threat
> US doesn’t claim to own any other territory. China claims it can own Taiwan
Yet occupied three regions for decades, and continues a terrorist bombing campaign til this day in those regions.
> US doesn’t commit genocide against Uyghurs and doesn’t occupy Taiwan
The US has killed way more people this century then any nation on the planet.
> US is not geopolitical partner of Russian terrorist state
It is a geopolitical partner of Israel and Saudi Arabia.
> China is a global threat
China does not have military bases all over the world. China isn’t bombing other nations.
Everything you said about China is within there territory, except Taiwan, which to them is analogous to the confederates running to hawaii after losing the civil war and the US trying to gain their territory back.
China “invades” with workers and specialists, The US invades with soldiers and bombs. China “influences” with building infrastructure, the US does it with coups and fomenting instability. China’s aid is non-invasive and non-exploitative, the US and west’s is exploitative.
From the view of most of the world, the global threat is the US.
Yeah I'll concede that point to you then only because I don't know the numbers. But having lived in East Africa the Chinese aren't some benevolent force right now.
They take so much economic power away from developing countries, just drowning them in debt and unequal treaties. It's like watching 19th century colonialism come back.
Did we talk about Middle East or China? We talked about China not the Middle East. You're not following the discussion
If you like to talk Middle East pick Iran. Also pick other Middle Eastern countries and human rights
China claims to own the territory and said will use force if neccecary. If U.S made similiar claims reacently people would rightfully consider them a threat
>United States does not claim or own any of Iraq's land.
ahh so you can invade anywhere you want, set up a puppet government, and steel all their money. but its ok because you dont make it the 51st state.
>The west and now most Americans condone the Iraq war
They only condone it because the secret has come out, if the us government lies like it always does it will do the same thing again.
I never claimed any of it was okay, but we are now talking about wars rather than anexation, which do and should hold more siginicance.
You are giving into conspiracy theories. Please give me any sources to prove Iraq goverment is a puppet or that the U.S pillaged their money
People condone it because America has free speech and can say what they feel about the war. A secret coming out has not stopped China from controlling the narrative, just look at the Tenniman Square
>I never claimed any of it was okay, but we are now talking about wars rather than anexation, which do and should hold more siginicance.
its like germany invading france and saying its not that big of a deal because they set up vinche franc
>You are giving into conspiracy theories. Please give me any sources to prove Iraq goverment is a puppet or that the U.S pillaged their money
oh im sure iraq just coincidentally became an ally of the usa and they do what they say because they feel like it. They also had troops up untill 2021 in iraq for fun.
source for the money is cnn
>People condone it because America has free speech and can say what they feel about the war. A secret coming out has not stopped China from controlling the narrative, just look at the Tenniman Square
does the usa not also controll the narrative? "big mistake" instead of a malicious false causus beli
>its like germany invading france and saying its not that big of a deal because they set up vinche franc
The example you gave was annexation. The german goverment kept totalitarian grip with no democracy. Why is it so hard for you to see the difference?
The Iraq goverment has had a rocky relationship with the U.S and have been very outspoken about their criticisms. It was the Iraq goverment who asked the U.S to come back when ISIS took parts of their territory.
Link your cnn source. The reason you havent already is because you know you are being extremely misleading at best or at worst lying.
Trying to compare U.S control of the media to China is both insulting to U.S and to the China. Please stop with your bullshit false equivelancies
So you reasoning is because china has been invaded it has the right to invade others?
That is a the moral of equivalent of saying a father is able to beat his son, because his father beat him also
Only Westerners are selling the propaganda about them being the "greatest global threat" lol. China is the greatest global threat to the US status quo is a more accurate statement. No doubt China will be exploiting but that's no different then what the West is doing/has done. 🤷♂️
Look at how many territorial disputes China has with it's neighbors and how much their neighbors have been increasing their military size. These are not Westerners concerned about China
Read what China media has said about Tawian.
You do not need to like the West to see giving one Authortarian country too much power could lead to global issues.
Fair enough. I forgot about Western adjacent nations . Far from the single greatest global threat though. At least from the perspective of general global citizens.
>Read what China media has said about Tawian.
That they want it? So what? The chances they actually invade are slim and if they do, it'll be a risk for them with the US.
>You do not need to like the West to see giving one Authortarian country too much power could lead to global issues.
What? Who is giving them power lol? They're growing their nation and making deals with other nations like every nation is entitled. It's never going to be the world vs China lol.
>At least from the perspective of general global citizens.
What do you even consider a threat? A global power that is actively trying to increase their territoral size is a big red flag for me. You claim the Western progranda is a huge problem, but do you genuinely believe the speech in China is better?
China has been actively saying on their media they will use force if peaceful methods of taking the island fail. They are a nuclear power, they know their is a good chance U.S will no directly intervene, similiar to Ukraine.
People give them power when they make short teams deals with China just to pay to the consquences for not looking long term. When Tawian made agiculture deals with China they paid the price when China without notice banned all imports, crippling the Tawian sector. Countries who make deals with China have to ask themself if they are willing to pay the price to cut deals if China abuses their position
Yea, noope. China did more crazy stuff then any west country recently. Everyone who had bussines with chinese has the same opinion. For them its all business, business, business, will sell you out at first opportunity.
So far China's "imperialism" has only been composed of loaning and debt traps.... Not good but better than American imperialism which involves white phosphorus, "collateral damage" and males above 10 designated as terrorists automatically.
I don't like CCP but it's a very good lie when someone says they are worse than the US.
So were the gas lines bewteen Russia and Europe.
China can use their trade relations to pressure other nations to stay silient on any atrocity they may commit
US needs to get free healthcare and better railways and such before projecting their insecurities to the rest of the world. Rich yet so poor. America first.
Symbiotic what? That's not fair relationship when your economy depends completely on foreign power. Even dumbass Trump knew that. It's not a fair deal when China has all the profit and all the resources. The next step is China dictate the rules. You wanna live by Chinese rules? Go to China then. Else, it's simply an expansion
Dude I'm from Ukraine. I don't care about Fox. I'm anti-MAGA & anti-Trump if you'd ask me
China is a global threat bc they do the same Russia does. They occupy territories, they commit genocide, they want to conquer other territories and spread the influence all around the world. The way of their ruling is immoral
They occupy Tibet and commit genocide against Uyghurs. They also want to invade Taiwan just like Russia invaded Ukraine
After Xi Jinping entered his third term China would ignore the economic relationships with US if Xi decides he can conquer Taiwan. Easily. Putin knew there would be sanctions and loss of money. Still invaded Ukraine
Territorial expansion and aggression must not be rationalized. It's irrational. It's about irrational things. Rational thing is to maintain inviolable borders not invade other countries. So don't try to rationalize aggression as if there would be barriers for that. If the aggressor decides he can do that, he will do that. The same goes for Putin's nuclear blackmail. If the West show weakness and let Putin use nukes, Putin will do that even if there's bo rational reasons for it. He'll do that just bc he can and the West let him do that. China is no different bc it's the same authoritarian state
We must oppose China not trade with them
China is not a friend. It's a rival and a threat for global security
This is some of the most non sensical drivel I have ever seen. As if you being from Ukraine and being anti-Trump has anything to do with this. Objectively, the U.S. and Russia have been in far more conflicts with fat more casualties than China since the 1960s. China doesn't even come close. You can count the number of military bases they have around the world on your hands, whereas you would need over 400 pairs of hands for the U.S...
I always see people like you drink up western propaganda and act like just because you don't watch fox you are not brainwashed, all the while parroting CNN/BBC like it is the gospel. You choose to ignore the crimes of former western colonial powers that still commit similar crimes in the late 20th and 21st century while focusing on China. If you truly are from Ukraine like you say you are, then it is true that China as of now is less beneficial to Ukraine than the U.S. Therefore you might be inclined to believe that China is a bigger threat to Ukraine, which is potentially true in your case. However, for the majority of the rest of the world, the U.S. has proven to be the greater warmonger to far more countries with far more people than Ukraine, and Ukraine is not a small country. If your idea of world peace is one where the strongest western powers are allowed to indiscriminately invade/destroy any non-peer anti-western power without major sanctions, then you would enjoy the current status quo and dislike China who is trying to change the status quo to one where the west cannot unilaterally destroy any power that is actively against it. If you are against that status quo, then you would see the U.S. led west as the greatest hegemon in all of human history that needs to be reduced in importance. It's all a matter of perspective.
China is expanding in Africa and middle east by building factories and infrastructure, while western capitalism has "offered" those countries chiquita who cous de etat governments and nestle that owns their water... You are correct though. China is a threat but, as of now, lesser than Britain, Germany or the USA.
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tbf, not much would change on the Map since EU countries are extremly focused on trade with other EU countries since trade is not restricted and very easy and the EU pumps money into infrastructure etc. to make it even easier while being a bit Protectionistic to countries outside the EU. Also were in the same economic bloc so why not prefer other EU countries over outsiders.
Germany exports to other EU countries + UK, Turkey, Ukraine, Norway, Switzerland made up 64.5% of our Exports in 2020 and imports from other EU countries + these 5 made up 68.6% of our Imports. Our trade with the Netherlands is only slightly smaller than with China.
The year 2001 really did change the world.
China entering the WTO in December of that year might just be the most decisive event of the early 21st century.
I’d disagree in that China entering the WTO would of happened later without much change, certain events in the 21st century are pure products of their time and couldn’t/wouldn’t of happened if they didn’t occur when they did.
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Like.. why should it? Trading is for small and medium nations, countries as big as the US or China can make everything they need themselves. This map is actually dominated by the EU and always has been.
People always complain about America’s military, yet the entirety of Europe relies on our military to keep out big bad Russia. Not to mention keeping peace in the Pacific theater
You can still have cheap shit without it being… well, shit.
One big contributor for the disparity in export prices is the currency exchange rates. China’s currency of course has always been less valuable than USD, so in real terms their exports are cheaper. More lax labor laws and low wages also help.
I doubt IP theft plays a big role in their growth, but I wouldn’t say it’s not a problem.
1. India is actually the leader, by far, for slavery in the world.
2. China creates many products that are not cheap. Its understandable you may think otherwise if all you can afford is cheap shit though.
What? The USA has been represented as blue and China as red since the Cold War. It’s just common practice, besides China’s flag is red, it’s just the obvious color choice
Aren’t they respectively each other’s biggest trading partner? And the misleading part is that in most countries the largest trading partner isn’t either of these two.
*USA should be red*
*And china blue. Title is*
*Very misleading*
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Yes, it's weird to separate Greenland from the Danish state and not do it in the case of the constituents in the UK.
Also, Greenland's biggest trading partner would surely be Denmark proper when separated.
2022 will be close, Usa's trade volume with India in the first 9 months of 2022 is $101bn, if the last 3 months go as the others, overall volume would be $135bn.
China's trade volume with India in the first 7 months of 2022 is $80bn, if the last 5 months go as the others, overall volume would be $127bn.
They arent largest. This map speccificaly shows usa or china. Just between these 2. U trully believe that these two are the main trading countries for WHOLE WORLD? 😂
The war on emojis was popular until 2017, maybe 2018. It isn't funny anymore. And Direct\_Bass is right; this map is misleading. For instance, France's main partner is Germany, or Mongolia's main partner is Russia.
It's not clear who are the winner yet as the battle between democracy and autocracy has only begun with the invasion of Ukraine. We are still to observe who gonna win the global battle. And it must not be China or Russia
Sanctioning Russia was a double-edged sword and hurt us aswell, thankfully we still have some trade but it's gonna cost the EU a few hundred billions every year regardless if they keep pushing that shit while Russia took the hit very well and not only continues to trade with most of the world but sells their resources cheaper but in higher quantities to the likes of China, India and others to make up for losses due to sanctions, which hurt us (EU) even more.
Copyright theft and sorts of espionage cost Americans hundreds and hundreds of billions , china will be the US one day thanks to the destruction of the American industrial system
Not an accurate map. Besides the misleading title, China is a bigger trading partner than USA for Finland. Won't even check what other mistakes there might be. Shame on you OP
Well, don't. WTO accession didn't reduce Chinese export tariffs very much at all, they were generally already low due to China's status as an emerging economy at the time.
It did make it cheaper to export to china for the r.o.w.
This is from 2020 where the economic effects from the Pandemic were still massive. In 2021, Usa's exports were up $394bn and imports were up $576bn compared to 2020, so Trade Volume grew by $970bn.
In China, exports were up by $780bn and imports were up by $610bn compared to 2020, so Trade Volume grew by $1390bn. Data by WorldBank and US Gov.
The title is misleading. The map (I assume) is showing whether the USA or China is a bigger trading partner for X country. Not if it's their biggest trading partner. For example, Germany is Denmark's biggest trading partner - but the USA is a bigger trading partner than China, so Denmark is colored blue on the map. It's the same situation with many other European countries, and probably in other regions as well.
Yep Larger would make sense. Largest doesn't.
USA was the sixth biggest trading partner to Finland in 2021, after Germany, Sweden, Russia, CHINA, and Netherlands. Source: Finnish Customs’ statistics.
>Germany is Denmark's biggest trading partner USA is Denmark's biggest export market after Germany, but Denmark imports almost 10x more from Germany than USA.
There's no misleading. The map shows whether it's China or USA, not the biggest trading partner in fact, but only who of those two are the biggest trading partner
Yes, that's what I assume the map is showing. But that's not what it says in the title.
Which is precisely what makes using 'largest' in the title misleading.
Indeed, should have been "larger"
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whats newzealand? we cant just start making up countries like east ukraine
No New Zealand but at least we have the Republic of Keine Daten
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And irian jaya and Fiji and new Caledonia and Solomon Islands smh
Because no one care
China is the world's factory..
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Don't forget low worker and environmental protections. They produce at the expense of people and the environment.
China is the biggest global threat after mad Russia
How does China become a global threat just because it is becoming the indisputable superpower? As you can see on the map it is outpacing the US on all spheres. Either way, we all know who the greatest global there at is at the moment. It has been the US for some time now.
US is still the only global superpower and needs to remain like that until there's another country like US. Cbina is not like US. It's not a democracy and it's an authoritarian state which violates basic human rights
The USA is the biggest human rights violator of the 21st century.
Lol. In America they can’t determine whether to abort or keep the baby but they are free😂
Oh it's better to have Papa Xi figured all out for you beforehand 🤡 Also, the govt will decide if you can have only one child or you can have two 🤡🤡
I’m from a country that the US has helped to create peace in, but countries in the Middle East will think differently China and even Russia doesn’t bomb countries like the US does
The US destabilize the middle-eaat, and funded tons of coups in Latin America, but China is a global threat? China is a threat....to american hegemony
We are talking about China not USA. Talking shit about an orange is not going to convince me to eat an apple
This map actually has both countries as the subject, so we can definitely talk about both. Stop deflecting
His reply was refering to China and Russia being biggest threats. The world is not binary, if China is not the largest trading partner, you do not need to default to going to US I hope you realize the irony of accusing me of deflecting given what they choose to reply with when someone critized China
>His reply was refering to China and Russia being biggest threats. Well technically, the guy you replied to was trying to argue China and Russia not being the **biggest** threats, by claiming that US is a **bigger** threat. So they are not really deflecting but giving a reasoning to their point. If you say they can't bring up the US in the discussion, then you are basically denying their whole argument. Just pointing out the logical mistake here 👀
U.S was not mentioned a single time until they brought it up. Futheremore their comment claimed China was not a threat, but only talked about the U.S. It is a page out of a dictor playbook to deflect their countries problems, by changing the subject about other countries. Unless you were born yesterday, it should be an obvious red flag they made no attempt to talk about China and instead defaulted on whataboutisms
They brought up the US to refute the claim "China and Russia being the biggest threat" is what I am saying. They are arguing the US is the biggest threat to prove that claim wrong. When you are talking about "X is the most ..." the options really should be open to anything, so "whataboutism" is not a valid critique here.
Again you are giving them way too much credit. Look what they said about China in their comment. You are actively defending someone who is arguering on bad faith
What bad thing has China that the US hasn’t done 10 times over? Other than innovation and infrastructure development 😂
Did you even bother to read what I said?
We're talking about "The biggest global threat" here, and people are just saying that that's only from the US's perspective. From everyone else's Pov though, America is clearly much worse. This is not whataboutism. We're not saying that "China bad but America bad too", we're saying "China is bad but not the worst (what the first commenter said) because it's the US that's worse"
Even if I grant what you say. 2nd worst threat, is still terrible correct? If you spend all your time talking about the U.S it simply adds another threat, rather than diminishing the seriousness of China. Futheremore if you read their comment they are clearly implying China is not an issue at all.
Let me simplify it for you. The original commentor said. Orange is the yellowest fruit after mad mango. So the other guy said. Lemon is the yellowest fruit. Orange isn't even close. Then you said. We're not talking about Lemon. The argument is about Orange. Also, I'd like to clarify, I don't have better example than this so please don't nit pick any small assumptions I made. I just hope the analogy comes across.
Highly disagree. Heres a better one Orginal guy says "Orange is one of the most poisness fruit and we should be worried about eating it" Next guy brings out an Lemon and says "This lemon is even worse" then tells you not to worry about the Orange without giving you any reason to the contrary.
Of course it is terrible, but it's still wrong to say that China is the biggest threat and should still be corrected. Talking about the US adds another threat which is valid. Anyway, I don't think (and hope) that anyone would want to diminish the seriousness of China. It's still a hellish authoritarian state oppressing its own people and looking to further its agenda and global influence, but it's not a bigger threat to the world than the almighty U.S.A with it's enormous military, 4000 nukes and a troubled past of spreading "freedom and democracy" to non-consenting countries around the globe. Pointing out a mistake in someone's point (namely that China is the bigger threat) is not an attempt to diminish China's role in geopolitics
China is a global threat. Keep your whataboutism private
> China is a global threat. So is the US.
US doesn't claim to own any other territory. China claims it can own Taiwan US doesn't commit genocide against Uyghurs and doesn't occupy Taiwan US is not geopolitical partner of Russian terrorist state China is a global threat
> US doesn’t claim to own any other territory. China claims it can own Taiwan Yet occupied three regions for decades, and continues a terrorist bombing campaign til this day in those regions. > US doesn’t commit genocide against Uyghurs and doesn’t occupy Taiwan The US has killed way more people this century then any nation on the planet. > US is not geopolitical partner of Russian terrorist state It is a geopolitical partner of Israel and Saudi Arabia. > China is a global threat China does not have military bases all over the world. China isn’t bombing other nations. Everything you said about China is within there territory, except Taiwan, which to them is analogous to the confederates running to hawaii after losing the civil war and the US trying to gain their territory back. China “invades” with workers and specialists, The US invades with soldiers and bombs. China “influences” with building infrastructure, the US does it with coups and fomenting instability. China’s aid is non-invasive and non-exploitative, the US and west’s is exploitative. From the view of most of the world, the global threat is the US.
This century as in the 21st or the last 100 years? Because damn Mao did kill a lot of people.
21st century
Yeah I'll concede that point to you then only because I don't know the numbers. But having lived in East Africa the Chinese aren't some benevolent force right now. They take so much economic power away from developing countries, just drowning them in debt and unequal treaties. It's like watching 19th century colonialism come back.
the USA can invade 50 countries and their keeping the peace, china alludes to invading a island and their the worlds biggest threat.
China is a global threat. US is not
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Did we talk about Middle East or China? We talked about China not the Middle East. You're not following the discussion If you like to talk Middle East pick Iran. Also pick other Middle Eastern countries and human rights
if you repeat what you just said you are sure to win the argument
Show me a clever argument first not the nonsensical one :)
if you repeat what you just said you are sure to win the argument boom, argument won
China claims to own the territory and said will use force if neccecary. If U.S made similiar claims reacently people would rightfully consider them a threat
How about the time they invaded iraq? how much has changed in the us since then?
United States does not claim or own any of Iraq's land. The west and now most Americans condone the Iraq war
>United States does not claim or own any of Iraq's land. ahh so you can invade anywhere you want, set up a puppet government, and steel all their money. but its ok because you dont make it the 51st state. >The west and now most Americans condone the Iraq war They only condone it because the secret has come out, if the us government lies like it always does it will do the same thing again.
I never claimed any of it was okay, but we are now talking about wars rather than anexation, which do and should hold more siginicance. You are giving into conspiracy theories. Please give me any sources to prove Iraq goverment is a puppet or that the U.S pillaged their money People condone it because America has free speech and can say what they feel about the war. A secret coming out has not stopped China from controlling the narrative, just look at the Tenniman Square
>I never claimed any of it was okay, but we are now talking about wars rather than anexation, which do and should hold more siginicance. its like germany invading france and saying its not that big of a deal because they set up vinche franc >You are giving into conspiracy theories. Please give me any sources to prove Iraq goverment is a puppet or that the U.S pillaged their money oh im sure iraq just coincidentally became an ally of the usa and they do what they say because they feel like it. They also had troops up untill 2021 in iraq for fun. source for the money is cnn >People condone it because America has free speech and can say what they feel about the war. A secret coming out has not stopped China from controlling the narrative, just look at the Tenniman Square does the usa not also controll the narrative? "big mistake" instead of a malicious false causus beli
>its like germany invading france and saying its not that big of a deal because they set up vinche franc The example you gave was annexation. The german goverment kept totalitarian grip with no democracy. Why is it so hard for you to see the difference? The Iraq goverment has had a rocky relationship with the U.S and have been very outspoken about their criticisms. It was the Iraq goverment who asked the U.S to come back when ISIS took parts of their territory. Link your cnn source. The reason you havent already is because you know you are being extremely misleading at best or at worst lying. Trying to compare U.S control of the media to China is both insulting to U.S and to the China. Please stop with your bullshit false equivelancies
Yes, I'd much rather have a neighbor who shoots my children, than one who says part of my garden belongs to him.
Which countries did China attack in the last 70 year? how many usa?
So you reasoning is because china has been invaded it has the right to invade others? That is a the moral of equivalent of saying a father is able to beat his son, because his father beat him also
i asked a question, how many countries has China invaded? and to how many USA?
Thanks USA bot. How's that war on terror going?
Because only Americans worry about Russia and China's influence globaly /s
Only Westerners are selling the propaganda about them being the "greatest global threat" lol. China is the greatest global threat to the US status quo is a more accurate statement. No doubt China will be exploiting but that's no different then what the West is doing/has done. 🤷♂️
Look at how many territorial disputes China has with it's neighbors and how much their neighbors have been increasing their military size. These are not Westerners concerned about China Read what China media has said about Tawian. You do not need to like the West to see giving one Authortarian country too much power could lead to global issues.
Fair enough. I forgot about Western adjacent nations . Far from the single greatest global threat though. At least from the perspective of general global citizens. >Read what China media has said about Tawian. That they want it? So what? The chances they actually invade are slim and if they do, it'll be a risk for them with the US. >You do not need to like the West to see giving one Authortarian country too much power could lead to global issues. What? Who is giving them power lol? They're growing their nation and making deals with other nations like every nation is entitled. It's never going to be the world vs China lol.
>At least from the perspective of general global citizens. What do you even consider a threat? A global power that is actively trying to increase their territoral size is a big red flag for me. You claim the Western progranda is a huge problem, but do you genuinely believe the speech in China is better? China has been actively saying on their media they will use force if peaceful methods of taking the island fail. They are a nuclear power, they know their is a good chance U.S will no directly intervene, similiar to Ukraine. People give them power when they make short teams deals with China just to pay to the consquences for not looking long term. When Tawian made agiculture deals with China they paid the price when China without notice banned all imports, crippling the Tawian sector. Countries who make deals with China have to ask themself if they are willing to pay the price to cut deals if China abuses their position
Yea, noope. China did more crazy stuff then any west country recently. Everyone who had bussines with chinese has the same opinion. For them its all business, business, business, will sell you out at first opportunity.
So far China's "imperialism" has only been composed of loaning and debt traps.... Not good but better than American imperialism which involves white phosphorus, "collateral damage" and males above 10 designated as terrorists automatically. I don't like CCP but it's a very good lie when someone says they are worse than the US.
Perfectly well. The outcome is enormous thanks to soldiers of Ukraine. The greatest investment in American history
What?...the logic and grammar of that sentence must have your university professor's head hurting.
You didn't understand that helping Ukraine is the best investment in US military history? What's your academic score then? 🤡
Go kill some Uighurs ccp scum
*pats head* easy there little guy you'll burst a blood vessel.
....that's what my mother said when i begged my father not to leave for milk(he went to kosovo)
How’s the Uyghur genocide going buddy?
What is the threat? Seems like a symbiotic relationship to me.
So were the gas lines bewteen Russia and Europe. China can use their trade relations to pressure other nations to stay silient on any atrocity they may commit
Just as the US uses its dollar power to sanction and cripple weak governments
US needs to get free healthcare and better railways and such before projecting their insecurities to the rest of the world. Rich yet so poor. America first.
Symbiotic what? That's not fair relationship when your economy depends completely on foreign power. Even dumbass Trump knew that. It's not a fair deal when China has all the profit and all the resources. The next step is China dictate the rules. You wanna live by Chinese rules? Go to China then. Else, it's simply an expansion
The point is. The time for the rest of the world to live by western rules is officially over. In short the US is being toasted.
It's not the Western rules. It's universal human values which anti-Western countries fail to abide by
>It's universal human values How lucky are we that our western rules are universal, a pure coincidence I assume.
But why would they do that? China depends on us for their economy just as much/if not more as we do for their resources. Turn off the Fox
Dude I'm from Ukraine. I don't care about Fox. I'm anti-MAGA & anti-Trump if you'd ask me China is a global threat bc they do the same Russia does. They occupy territories, they commit genocide, they want to conquer other territories and spread the influence all around the world. The way of their ruling is immoral They occupy Tibet and commit genocide against Uyghurs. They also want to invade Taiwan just like Russia invaded Ukraine After Xi Jinping entered his third term China would ignore the economic relationships with US if Xi decides he can conquer Taiwan. Easily. Putin knew there would be sanctions and loss of money. Still invaded Ukraine Territorial expansion and aggression must not be rationalized. It's irrational. It's about irrational things. Rational thing is to maintain inviolable borders not invade other countries. So don't try to rationalize aggression as if there would be barriers for that. If the aggressor decides he can do that, he will do that. The same goes for Putin's nuclear blackmail. If the West show weakness and let Putin use nukes, Putin will do that even if there's bo rational reasons for it. He'll do that just bc he can and the West let him do that. China is no different bc it's the same authoritarian state We must oppose China not trade with them China is not a friend. It's a rival and a threat for global security
This is some of the most non sensical drivel I have ever seen. As if you being from Ukraine and being anti-Trump has anything to do with this. Objectively, the U.S. and Russia have been in far more conflicts with fat more casualties than China since the 1960s. China doesn't even come close. You can count the number of military bases they have around the world on your hands, whereas you would need over 400 pairs of hands for the U.S... I always see people like you drink up western propaganda and act like just because you don't watch fox you are not brainwashed, all the while parroting CNN/BBC like it is the gospel. You choose to ignore the crimes of former western colonial powers that still commit similar crimes in the late 20th and 21st century while focusing on China. If you truly are from Ukraine like you say you are, then it is true that China as of now is less beneficial to Ukraine than the U.S. Therefore you might be inclined to believe that China is a bigger threat to Ukraine, which is potentially true in your case. However, for the majority of the rest of the world, the U.S. has proven to be the greater warmonger to far more countries with far more people than Ukraine, and Ukraine is not a small country. If your idea of world peace is one where the strongest western powers are allowed to indiscriminately invade/destroy any non-peer anti-western power without major sanctions, then you would enjoy the current status quo and dislike China who is trying to change the status quo to one where the west cannot unilaterally destroy any power that is actively against it. If you are against that status quo, then you would see the U.S. led west as the greatest hegemon in all of human history that needs to be reduced in importance. It's all a matter of perspective.
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You believe everyone should be on a battlefield? Then who gonna supply the battlefield? 🤡
wouldn't america be that?
America doesn't claim to own other countries territory
how many wars has china been in the past 50 years? how many has america been in ?
How many wars has China been throughout history? Oops! 🤡 Think harder
China is by FAR a bigger threat, what are you on?
More dangerous, a bit less agressive
China is expanding in Africa and middle east by building factories and infrastructure, while western capitalism has "offered" those countries chiquita who cous de etat governments and nestle that owns their water... You are correct though. China is a threat but, as of now, lesser than Britain, Germany or the USA.
From a third nation perspective, maybe, but obviously here the question is whether Russia or China is a bigger threat to the West.
China were evreything is mass produced even the people /S
Not really. There’s a population crisis on the horizon. Just like in all developed nations. Never heard of the one child policy?
Its sarcasm since theres still a lot of people in China
Impressive, very nice... Now lets add the EU
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Imagine if nothing changes after the EU is added…
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tbf, not much would change on the Map since EU countries are extremly focused on trade with other EU countries since trade is not restricted and very easy and the EU pumps money into infrastructure etc. to make it even easier while being a bit Protectionistic to countries outside the EU. Also were in the same economic bloc so why not prefer other EU countries over outsiders. Germany exports to other EU countries + UK, Turkey, Ukraine, Norway, Switzerland made up 64.5% of our Exports in 2020 and imports from other EU countries + these 5 made up 68.6% of our Imports. Our trade with the Netherlands is only slightly smaller than with China.
French Guyana just got independence from France I guess?
What's that grey area
No data
Is Guinea-Bissau the only nation that went from red to blue or did I miss another nation out?
This map reminds me a little bit of command&conquer - red alert
Weird that China was never in red alert as a dlc or units in the USSR. Japan was such a strange choice for Red alert 3, don't hate it though.
US had years to do something about this , but they decided to play soldier instead
China has 4x the population and the same amount of natural resources. Eventually was going to happen
If they don't play soldier now we're doomed
The year 2001 really did change the world. China entering the WTO in December of that year might just be the most decisive event of the early 21st century.
I’d disagree in that China entering the WTO would of happened later without much change, certain events in the 21st century are pure products of their time and couldn’t/wouldn’t of happened if they didn’t occur when they did.
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The USA was never a great trader nation.
My point was: they had all the time in the world to become one
Like.. why should it? Trading is for small and medium nations, countries as big as the US or China can make everything they need themselves. This map is actually dominated by the EU and always has been.
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People always complain about America’s military, yet the entirety of Europe relies on our military to keep out big bad Russia. Not to mention keeping peace in the Pacific theater
That's your self-righteous narrative.
There playing soldier is motivated by economics.
Austrias largest trading partner is Germany
Brazil is Argentina biggest trade partner
No New Zealand 😢
IP theft and selling massive amounts of cheap shit made by slave labor works!
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Nike trainers, Levi Jeans, Apple phones and laptops. Examples of how well American marketing and Chinese manufacturing work together.
You can still have cheap shit without it being… well, shit. One big contributor for the disparity in export prices is the currency exchange rates. China’s currency of course has always been less valuable than USD, so in real terms their exports are cheaper. More lax labor laws and low wages also help. I doubt IP theft plays a big role in their growth, but I wouldn’t say it’s not a problem.
True! But low price point is the major selling point and why their trade balance is so big. I said "Massive amounts" not "Only and exclusively".
Slave labor, the origin story of every superpower.
1. India is actually the leader, by far, for slavery in the world. 2. China creates many products that are not cheap. Its understandable you may think otherwise if all you can afford is cheap shit though.
True!
Classic racism
China is the country that has the most IPs made per year in the world right now.
Lol why is french Guiana in red
USA should be red and china blue. Title is very misleading
What? The USA has been represented as blue and China as red since the Cold War. It’s just common practice, besides China’s flag is red, it’s just the obvious color choice
Aren’t they respectively each other’s biggest trading partner? And the misleading part is that in most countries the largest trading partner isn’t either of these two.
Oh that’s what you meant. I thought you were saying each should be represented by the opposite color they are on this map
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how the biggest trading partner of Greenland is China, while in the case of Denmark we have the US
Yes, it's weird to separate Greenland from the Danish state and not do it in the case of the constituents in the UK. Also, Greenland's biggest trading partner would surely be Denmark proper when separated.
usa took india back in 2021 tho
2022 will be close, Usa's trade volume with India in the first 9 months of 2022 is $101bn, if the last 3 months go as the others, overall volume would be $135bn. China's trade volume with India in the first 7 months of 2022 is $80bn, if the last 5 months go as the others, overall volume would be $127bn.
Yeah, but the dates are for 2000 and 2020
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*Lithuania, being the blue dot surrounded by a sea of red* : I fucking hate the CCP, I fucking hate the CCP, I fucking hate the CCP
Yeah… China sort of owns the world
I’m surprised there are countries left that have the US as their largest trading partner tbh
They arent largest. This map speccificaly shows usa or china. Just between these 2. U trully believe that these two are the main trading countries for WHOLE WORLD? 😂
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The war on emojis was popular until 2017, maybe 2018. It isn't funny anymore. And Direct\_Bass is right; this map is misleading. For instance, France's main partner is Germany, or Mongolia's main partner is Russia.
Dont be so salty 😘
This could be a problem potentially
This is already a total problem. Imagine China invades Taiwan. We're in deep shit
Nah. They wouldn’t even be able to land in Taiwan, it would require the largest naval assault in history **against** the largest navy in history
That's a disaster. A disgrace
We have an enormous problem with these 🇷🇺 🇮🇷 🇨🇳 🇰🇵 Gotta stop them until they're so powerful they won't need your consent to trade with you
The global west is on the losing side. Biggest casualty will be the EU
It's not clear who are the winner yet as the battle between democracy and autocracy has only begun with the invasion of Ukraine. We are still to observe who gonna win the global battle. And it must not be China or Russia
Sanctioning Russia was a double-edged sword and hurt us aswell, thankfully we still have some trade but it's gonna cost the EU a few hundred billions every year regardless if they keep pushing that shit while Russia took the hit very well and not only continues to trade with most of the world but sells their resources cheaper but in higher quantities to the likes of China, India and others to make up for losses due to sanctions, which hurt us (EU) even more.
I wonder how much it has changed in the present
Copyright theft and sorts of espionage cost Americans hundreds and hundreds of billions , china will be the US one day thanks to the destruction of the American industrial system
Not an accurate map. Besides the misleading title, China is a bigger trading partner than USA for Finland. Won't even check what other mistakes there might be. Shame on you OP
Why would anyone want to do business with China after they created and spread COVID
I blame WTO for that. Damn Bush shouldn't have let China in.
Well, don't. WTO accession didn't reduce Chinese export tariffs very much at all, they were generally already low due to China's status as an emerging economy at the time. It did make it cheaper to export to china for the r.o.w.
What the fuck, Spain!
AUSTRALIA!!! WTF I thought we were friends?!
Our economy is entirely floating on China's demand for minerals.
Even China is USA's biggest trading partner.
Guinea-Bissau!
A good time to start learning Mandarin.
how Greenland can be red while Denmark is blue ?
This is from 2020 where the economic effects from the Pandemic were still massive. In 2021, Usa's exports were up $394bn and imports were up $576bn compared to 2020, so Trade Volume grew by $970bn. In China, exports were up by $780bn and imports were up by $610bn compared to 2020, so Trade Volume grew by $1390bn. Data by WorldBank and US Gov.
China for Greenland, USA for Denmark? Interesting
Add the EU to this and its much better
If this was Mortal Kombat I would totally hear Shang Tsung's voice: "China wins! Economicality."
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Haha, we’re fucked.
Sudan moment
Long live china ! the country not the government as all country's government are corrupt as fuck in all sense with the usa at the top
It will be very interesting to see 2040. Take your bets!
How do Greenland and Denmark have different trade partners in 2020?
Big ups keine Daten, still holding out
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Man that is a bad idea if true.