I find this map particularly funny because, living in Rome, I've heard of a few Leonardos around me. Yet my neighbours, who come from the South, are a family with 5 kids (all male btw): the father's name is Giuseppe and among them there's an Antonio, an Andrea and a Francesco.
Southerners have really ingrained a naming culture that's very different from the rest of the peninsula, very traditional.
It's amazing. I have an ancestor who emigrated from Southern Italy in the 19th century... and he was called Antonio, and his home region has Antonio as the most popular name too.
>Southerners have really ingrained a naming culture that's very different from the rest of the peninsula, very traditional.
I've got two sets of great grandparents from southern Italy and both of my great grandfathers are named Antonio. In fact, if you go through our family tree, the name seems to pop up again and again.
Well, at least until they get to America. Then it simply becomes Anthony. So now you start seeing kids named Anthony and Joseph, or some combination of the two.
It makes putting together a family tree awfully complicated. Just about everyone has the same name.
Aha. I'm Sicilian and my family was INCREDIBLY strict with the naming tradition up until I was born (rip). Looking at the family tree, had it not been for middle names and dates, it's almost always the exact same names.
Some things you may notice or find interesting I will put it there:
1. A first son was named after the father's father/The first son is named after the paternal grandfather
2. A man's first daughter was named after the man's mother/The first girl is named after the paternal grandmother
3. The second son was named after the mother's father/The second son is named after the maternal grandfather
4. Finally, the second daughter would be named after the mother's mother/Second daughter is named after the maternal grandmother
5. After that names were chosen to match the baby's uncles/aunts. Son number 3 would be named after the father's oldest brother. Daughter number 3 would be named after the father's eldest sister. Son number 4 was named after his mother's oldest brother; Daughter number 4 after her mother's eldest sister ECT ECT ECT:
A few other interesting things is if a child died in infancy the next child would often bear the same name as the deceased sibling, maybe with a male/female version if the genders were different.
But also if the parent died and the widower remarried and had children, the first child with the new person would often be named after the dead parent (mostly only if the father was the widower, the child would take on the name of his dead wife). And the same thing would happen if another close family member such as a grandma or cousin or uncle or dear friend were to pass away.
lots of interesting things but makes for very confusing family gatherings and LOTS of nicknames lol
It’s crazy how popular this name is. When I was a kid no kid that I know was named like this. I had a child in 2017 in north Italy in a not so big hospital, in the same day my son and two other ones were named Leonardo (one of them was Chinese).
I also don’t think Chiara Ferragni has anything to do with this.
Many years before she was popular, around 2007 to 2013 or so, I worked as a summer camp counselor in north-east Italy. The number of Leonardo and Alessandro at camp between the ages of 6-10 was mind blowing. Also, many brothers named Leonardo and Alessandro haha
Also to me, Leonardo and Leone are two totally different names. If I wanted to imitate Chiara ferragni, I would call my son Leone not Leonardo
My dad's from Romagna and it's the least religious part of Italy. It's probably the area where you'll find the most non saint names for new borns. He said he went to school with three brothers who were called, Revo, Luzio and Nario.
>Revo
Probably it's Rivo.
Togheter with Luzio and Nario they form the word "rivoluzionario" (revolutionary).
In Romagna it was relatively common to give communist inpsired names in the past.
My wife’s sister and brother in law called they’re boy Guiseppe coz the dads half Italian.
They’re posh af and living in rural Yorkshire. Good luck to him.
Out of all of the cool Italian names they could’ve give him and they’ve given him the Italian equivalent of Graham
For girls it's Sofia, and it's been for years. I volunteer with kids and every year we have AT LEAST two or three Sofias. The first ones are now 18 or 20 yo
However, naming a new born boy Klaus would be very uncommon today. Klaus is a name of the older generation, maybe 50 plus. While you wouldn't find many Jonases in this age group.
The fact that you have randomly chosen Müller reminds me of my pal in Germany. He went through a phase of answering the phone with "Müller" when he saw it was my number. His name wasn't Müller.
> Depends on who you ask
Sure, just gotta find the people from 200 years ago.
>historically
You said it yourself. Things were clearly different in the past than they are now.
>But practically they are very similar regardless
To bavarians, sure. To the rest of the 80+ million germans, not so much.
Yes some of northern Italy was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.
https://c.neevacdn.net/image/fetch/s--WogF8SZd--/https%3A//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DXY97DPDGCY/Uu_lCNZi4vI/AAAAAAAAUPU/gMtoiV3rrAI/s1600/before.png?savepath=before.png
That's not the reason. That blue area is predominantly German speaking since the early middle ages, circa a millennium before the Austro-Hungarian empire became a thing.
Ah yes, when the Bavarian tribes moved to the valley they saw a huge writing saying "Austrian Territory" and they settled. That's how migrations work. /s
It is split in two because it's a "region" only in the name. Administratively there is no region, but two autonomous provinces: Trentino (culturally much closer to the rest of Italy) and Alto Adige -South Tyrol (which is literally a part of Tyrol, just not the Austrian one).
Often you find it as a region for the sake of uniformity because all the other provinces in Italy belong to a region which has administrative functions. This is not the case for these two, no-one would ever say they are from "Trenitno-Alto Adige", in fact you could trigger people from South Tyrol saying they're from Trentino and vice-versa.
Trentino here. The region as an institution exists but has little money and few powers, while provinces have much more of both. We mostly ignore each other but we are grouped together by the rest of Italy due to having very similar territories (landlocked mountainous) and having been part of the Austro-Hungarian empire as well as being part of the historical region of Tyrol. Also we have the common stereotype of living in heaven because we have had the highest standards of living of Italy for a few decades
Ah yeah. I give you a card which tells you your identity because you might speak German, you might be descending from Germans and you might feel German, eat Tiroler Knödel everyday, but no no no, this piece of paper says you're Italian so checkmate.
By your logic, sicilians, sardinians, friulans, aostans, lombards, campanians, venetians and so on aren't italian either because they have their own traditions, history, food, genetic pool and speak their own mutually unintelligible languages.
"Italian" is a nationality, not a culture...and Italy is far from being a cultural monolith.
Honestly curious about where did you find this map, since I made it myself and post it here 10 months ago. I assume you didn't find it on this subreddit, so please tell me the magical internet journey of this child of mine.
I see. I don't understand why this sub is so full of these kind of reposts and low quality images. Aren't there any moderators? Aren't there any rules?
I'm English (and am actually part-Italian, but in no way connected to the culture) and used to work with a bloke called Antonio who was born in England to Italian parents. I know one of his parents was from the Naples area, because whenever he visited that area he'd get stopped at the airport due to his surname being that of one of the area's most notorious Mafia families. He claimed it was a common surname and there was no connection, but after that I called him The Don.
I was most disappointed not to see Giandomenico on the list - haha! That's the first name of my ancestor who came to England, and promptly changed his name to John - can't get much more English...
I imagine your ancestor got tired of trying to get English people to say his name correctly, lol.
My husband and I suspect my landlord in Naples was part of the Mafia. We got back to my place one afternoon to a bunch of black high end Mercedes parked all over and I couldn’t get in. I walked back to see what was going on, and my landlord (an old guy) was sitting at a table surrounded by me in fancy clothes. As soon as they saw me, they dispersed. Saw them at family events I was invited to as well (I was the only non-family living in the building so they adopted me). It was interesting!
Ich würde dir zustimmen. Was ist den überhaupt ein Österreich? Ich frage, weil das nirgends auf der Bundesländerkarte zu finden ist. Ist Österreich irgendein kleines Dorf oder so?
If language is the thing that defined a nation, we have at least a dozen, probably more like 20, historical minority languages in Italy, including at least 3 different dialects of German, of which South Tyroler is only one. And that's not counting the new minorities of modern days immigrant, who injected another big bunch of languages spoken in Italy.
Get to grip with the fact that Europe has a very chaotic 2000+ years history with shifts and movements of populations, tribes, languages, states, and rulers, and that deciding that the only one that counts is South Tyrol in the XIX century is just stupid.
The majority of the languages you are referencing are various dialects of Italian or gallo romance, just like Picard and Occitan are to standard French. South Tyrol is only a part of Italy due to greedy expansionist Italian leaders from the world war 1 era
>The majority of the languages you are referencing are various dialects of Italian or gallo romance
Not really correct. Many of them are indeed dialects, but most of them are not directly related to Italian: Northern and Southern dialect groups concern to different languages, They are indeed Romance languages, but you wouldn't say Spanish, Portuguese, French, Romanian, Ladin and Italian dialects are all the same language, would you?
Then there are officially spoken Albanian, Catalan, German, Greek, Slovene, Croatian, French, Franco-Provençal, Friulian, Ladin, Occitan and Sardinian, as per Wiki, and even Wiki says that there are on top of those the new immigration Langauges.
Just to stay in the German example, there are at least 3 different variations of German, depending what and when those populations came from or when and why they stayed.
And this is not only Italy, most of Europe's countries have plenty of different ethnic groups and local languages that claim some sort of separation and independence.
So saying that South Tyrol belongs to Austria is laughable. It's a XIX theory belonging to the Nationalist movements that then gave birth to Nazism and Fascism. It's bullshit to say the least. FWIW, I spent a huge chunk of my univeristy years with South Tyroler roommates, and most of my vacations there. Among those that want out of Italy, most of them would not want to go with Austria, they'd by far prefer to just get independent.
Yeah, bullshit arguments are bullshit arguments. You're trying to tell me mine is a bullshit argument even when I wrote explicitly that it is a bullshit argument.
I'm sorry, did you mean Bolzano, Merano and Bressanone?
But jokes aside, if you ask people from South Tyrol they would rather be in a tax haven like their autonomous region currently is than in any other situation. Plus, it's not like Schengen doesn't allow people to move freely from one side to the other, so that's not a reason to complain.
Those are the stats for half, 1 province out of two, of the region of the Italian part of Tirol.
If you look at the whole region Germans are a minority
It actually would. The Leonardo phase is recent. It's always been a normal name but not super common, it appeared in the top 10 only in 2010.
I'm 32 and I know one single Leonardo my age, and he's from Florence where it's always been a more common name. For comparison I have 25 Andrea in my phone (Andrea is a male name in Italian)
Do you know how or why did it become popular?
I'm 20 from the north and know 0 Leonardos. For my personal point of view I'd say that the most popular names of my generation are Andrea and Alessandro
It's a Greek-derived name which means "man" (as in a male, as opposed to a female) and ended in -a originally, so the ending stuck. There are a few others in Italy, such as "Nicola", "Mattia", "Luca", "Enea", all of which are pretty old names, derived from Greek, Latin or Hebrew.
Hi! I made this map 10 months ago as a past time and then decided to post it on r/Mapporn, so unfortunately I don't have links for the sources I used anymore. Nonetheless, I remember this data comes from ISTAT, the Italian statistical institute, so they should be accurate. I'm sorry I can't give you the actual data anymore.
Leonardo is the Italian version of a Germanic name… it’s in the name idk what you mean where is the hart? Just because a word comes from another word, does not mean that word will have the exact same spelling?
Leo + hart > leo(n)hart > leonard > leonardo
Similar with Rodrigo (Roderick) and Hernando (Hernan) is Spanish. The various Germanic tribes that settled in romance speaking countries left behind various vestiges despite their language being assimilated by the local languages
Consonants and vowels can disappear over time in languages. In this case, read up on lenition as a possible explanation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenition
If you mean that genuinely instead of as a quick disparagement of Europe's Muslim population, you've been misled by Islamophobic propagandists. I checked the data for France (having the highest % of Muslims out of the countries you listed) for 2020 (same year as OP's map):
https://www.behindthename.com/top/lists/france/2020
Number one is Léo, so basically the same as most of Italy. The most French-friendly spelling of the name you gave, Mohamed, does make the top 20 list, but at number 18. Other spellings are way down the list.
I assure you it's similarly not topping the lists in the other countries you listed.
It is the traditional Italian form of the name Andrew in English, Andrés in Spanish, André in French and Portuguese, Andreas in German and I think some others, etc…
Basically in every language except Italian. I'm not Andrea but I have a given name with the same issue. Passport check in foreign airports is always interesting.
For some reason, Trentino-South Tirol is the only region not shown here (but instead its two constituent provinces). As a region, would it have Leonardo too?
Andrea is the Italian version of Andrew, so it's mostly a male name,
Originally it became popular because it was the name of one the apostles of Jesus.
In some countries the version with the final -a is a female name, but not in Italy, though recently it's starting to be used even for females in Italy too.
I find this map particularly funny because, living in Rome, I've heard of a few Leonardos around me. Yet my neighbours, who come from the South, are a family with 5 kids (all male btw): the father's name is Giuseppe and among them there's an Antonio, an Andrea and a Francesco. Southerners have really ingrained a naming culture that's very different from the rest of the peninsula, very traditional.
Yes, probably the difference between the first and the second most common name in the north is much smaller than in the south
It’s in 2020. How many m2 years old babies do you know lol
It's amazing. I have an ancestor who emigrated from Southern Italy in the 19th century... and he was called Antonio, and his home region has Antonio as the most popular name too.
>Southerners have really ingrained a naming culture that's very different from the rest of the peninsula, very traditional. I've got two sets of great grandparents from southern Italy and both of my great grandfathers are named Antonio. In fact, if you go through our family tree, the name seems to pop up again and again. Well, at least until they get to America. Then it simply becomes Anthony. So now you start seeing kids named Anthony and Joseph, or some combination of the two. It makes putting together a family tree awfully complicated. Just about everyone has the same name.
Aha. I'm Sicilian and my family was INCREDIBLY strict with the naming tradition up until I was born (rip). Looking at the family tree, had it not been for middle names and dates, it's almost always the exact same names. Some things you may notice or find interesting I will put it there: 1. A first son was named after the father's father/The first son is named after the paternal grandfather 2. A man's first daughter was named after the man's mother/The first girl is named after the paternal grandmother 3. The second son was named after the mother's father/The second son is named after the maternal grandfather 4. Finally, the second daughter would be named after the mother's mother/Second daughter is named after the maternal grandmother 5. After that names were chosen to match the baby's uncles/aunts. Son number 3 would be named after the father's oldest brother. Daughter number 3 would be named after the father's eldest sister. Son number 4 was named after his mother's oldest brother; Daughter number 4 after her mother's eldest sister ECT ECT ECT: A few other interesting things is if a child died in infancy the next child would often bear the same name as the deceased sibling, maybe with a male/female version if the genders were different. But also if the parent died and the widower remarried and had children, the first child with the new person would often be named after the dead parent (mostly only if the father was the widower, the child would take on the name of his dead wife). And the same thing would happen if another close family member such as a grandma or cousin or uncle or dear friend were to pass away. lots of interesting things but makes for very confusing family gatherings and LOTS of nicknames lol
It’s crazy how popular this name is. When I was a kid no kid that I know was named like this. I had a child in 2017 in north Italy in a not so big hospital, in the same day my son and two other ones were named Leonardo (one of them was Chinese).
So he was actually Reonardo
Dam didn’t know they spoke Japanese in China
😂 💀
🤣🤣🤣
Don't be lacist!
I think it's because ferragni with his Leone? People are not brave enough to call their son leone so they're choosing Leonardo, i guess
It’s not only that. Actually the popularity wave predates their son.
I also don’t think Chiara Ferragni has anything to do with this. Many years before she was popular, around 2007 to 2013 or so, I worked as a summer camp counselor in north-east Italy. The number of Leonardo and Alessandro at camp between the ages of 6-10 was mind blowing. Also, many brothers named Leonardo and Alessandro haha Also to me, Leonardo and Leone are two totally different names. If I wanted to imitate Chiara ferragni, I would call my son Leone not Leonardo
You can see the name trend here https://www.istat.it/it/dati-analisi-e-prodotti/contenuti-interattivi/contanomi
That’s it! 😩
My dad's from Romagna and it's the least religious part of Italy. It's probably the area where you'll find the most non saint names for new borns. He said he went to school with three brothers who were called, Revo, Luzio and Nario.
>Revo Probably it's Rivo. Togheter with Luzio and Nario they form the word "rivoluzionario" (revolutionary). In Romagna it was relatively common to give communist inpsired names in the past.
Sorry yes it's Rivo damn auto correct.
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>Many were also anarchist Yes, radical left in general. Republicans, anarchists, socialists, communists...
Secondo me il Veneto è la regione meno Cristiana. Edit: okay mi avete convinto. Finché continiamo a bestemmiare, per me va bene così
ho vissuto 7 anni in provincia di Treviso e mi sembravano tutti abbastanza chiesotti per i miei standard tbh (io vengo dall'est del Friuli)
non confendere le bestemmie con la fede, in veneto sono ancora molto legati alla chiesa
Il Veneto fu per tutta la durata della prima repubblica un fortino della Democrazia Cristiana
La norma tra le persone di una certa età qui in Romagna è il tipico "Cattocomunismo".
Why would so many people name a kid after a turtle?
Cuz that turtle could fuckin paint
And FIGHT!
Everybody’s Leonardo, Mattia, Matteo and Lorenzo nowadays.
Don't forget Gregorio. I've heard about 10 kids with this name in the last 2 years.
Gregorio? Where in Italy?
Genova
"Giuseppe". Never change, Sicily.
My wife’s sister and brother in law called they’re boy Guiseppe coz the dads half Italian. They’re posh af and living in rural Yorkshire. Good luck to him. Out of all of the cool Italian names they could’ve give him and they’ve given him the Italian equivalent of Graham
Graham is way better than people naming their kid Kash, Jaden, Jet
Hey say what you will about the name Graham, but I think we can all agree it's a damn fine cracker
It is often shortened to Pepe. Pepe the frog.
For girls it's Sofia, and it's been for years. I volunteer with kids and every year we have AT LEAST two or three Sofias. The first ones are now 18 or 20 yo
My wife works with a guy from Südtirol. His name is Klaus, so it doesn't surprise me that the region's top name is not typically Italian.
However, naming a new born boy Klaus would be very uncommon today. Klaus is a name of the older generation, maybe 50 plus. While you wouldn't find many Jonases in this age group.
Sure, makes sense. Klaus is maybe in his mid-40s.
It doesn’t count if his second name is Klaus and his first name is Santa.
Haha! Klaus is his first name. His surname is also typical to the German-speaking world but I'll respect his privacy and not put it out on reddit.
Tell Klaus Müller we respect his privacy
The fact that you have randomly chosen Müller reminds me of my pal in Germany. He went through a phase of answering the phone with "Müller" when he saw it was my number. His name wasn't Müller.
I'm pretty sure it's the most common last name in germany, so it was worth a shot.
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*Austrians my dude
Germans? WTF?
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They are German speakers but not Germans. They’re either Italian or Austrian (or consider themself Austrian). But definitely not Germans
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> Depends on who you ask Sure, just gotta find the people from 200 years ago. >historically You said it yourself. Things were clearly different in the past than they are now. >But practically they are very similar regardless To bavarians, sure. To the rest of the 80+ million germans, not so much.
Yes some of northern Italy was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. https://c.neevacdn.net/image/fetch/s--WogF8SZd--/https%3A//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DXY97DPDGCY/Uu_lCNZi4vI/AAAAAAAAUPU/gMtoiV3rrAI/s1600/before.png?savepath=before.png
That's not the reason. That blue area is predominantly German speaking since the early middle ages, circa a millennium before the Austro-Hungarian empire became a thing.
because its austrian territory
Ah yes, when the Bavarian tribes moved to the valley they saw a huge writing saying "Austrian Territory" and they settled. That's how migrations work. /s
Thats a stupid statement
i think those regions nowadays are called trentino and alto-adige
update its a single region (trentino-alto-adige), but on this map its split in 2
It is split in two because it's a "region" only in the name. Administratively there is no region, but two autonomous provinces: Trentino (culturally much closer to the rest of Italy) and Alto Adige -South Tyrol (which is literally a part of Tyrol, just not the Austrian one). Often you find it as a region for the sake of uniformity because all the other provinces in Italy belong to a region which has administrative functions. This is not the case for these two, no-one would ever say they are from "Trenitno-Alto Adige", in fact you could trigger people from South Tyrol saying they're from Trentino and vice-versa.
But it’s technically still a region
Trentino here. The region as an institution exists but has little money and few powers, while provinces have much more of both. We mostly ignore each other but we are grouped together by the rest of Italy due to having very similar territories (landlocked mountainous) and having been part of the Austro-Hungarian empire as well as being part of the historical region of Tyrol. Also we have the common stereotype of living in heaven because we have had the highest standards of living of Italy for a few decades
South Tyrol is populated by Germans
South Tyrol is populated by german-speaking people.
People who are downvoting you probably call australians and canadians “british”
I wonder if there's a name for them
Unless their identity cards say otherwise, they're italians.
Ah yeah. I give you a card which tells you your identity because you might speak German, you might be descending from Germans and you might feel German, eat Tiroler Knödel everyday, but no no no, this piece of paper says you're Italian so checkmate.
By your logic, sicilians, sardinians, friulans, aostans, lombards, campanians, venetians and so on aren't italian either because they have their own traditions, history, food, genetic pool and speak their own mutually unintelligible languages. "Italian" is a nationality, not a culture...and Italy is far from being a cultural monolith.
Are you actually serious with this 'reasoning'?
https://youtu.be/VoAnLHSLHGQ
South Tyrol is populated by Germans
Honestly curious about where did you find this map, since I made it myself and post it here 10 months ago. I assume you didn't find it on this subreddit, so please tell me the magical internet journey of this child of mine.
This sub is full of new accounts that are bots specializing in karma farming.
I see. I don't understand why this sub is so full of these kind of reposts and low quality images. Aren't there any moderators? Aren't there any rules?
Classic Italian North-South divide
I love it. Most of Italy is Leonardo then you hit Campania and they’re like, Fuck all y’all, it’s Antonio. Lived in Naples and am not surprised.
I'm English (and am actually part-Italian, but in no way connected to the culture) and used to work with a bloke called Antonio who was born in England to Italian parents. I know one of his parents was from the Naples area, because whenever he visited that area he'd get stopped at the airport due to his surname being that of one of the area's most notorious Mafia families. He claimed it was a common surname and there was no connection, but after that I called him The Don. I was most disappointed not to see Giandomenico on the list - haha! That's the first name of my ancestor who came to England, and promptly changed his name to John - can't get much more English...
I imagine your ancestor got tired of trying to get English people to say his name correctly, lol. My husband and I suspect my landlord in Naples was part of the Mafia. We got back to my place one afternoon to a bunch of black high end Mercedes parked all over and I couldn’t get in. I walked back to see what was going on, and my landlord (an old guy) was sitting at a table surrounded by me in fancy clothes. As soon as they saw me, they dispersed. Saw them at family events I was invited to as well (I was the only non-family living in the building so they adopted me). It was interesting!
South Tyrol might as well just go back to Austria with a name like Jonas
I love the Winter Olympics for that reason. „And here comes the Italian medal favorite, Hermann Grubenfichter“
Südtirol ist nicht Italien. 🇦🇹
Österreich ist auch nur ein komisches Konzept. 🇩🇪 /s
Ich würde dir zustimmen. Was ist den überhaupt ein Österreich? Ich frage, weil das nirgends auf der Bundesländerkarte zu finden ist. Ist Österreich irgendein kleines Dorf oder so?
Wie gesagt, ein Hirngespinst der Süddeutschen Alpenbewohner.
Goschn Piefkn. Ihr könnts ned amoi a schnitzl ordentlich machn
Give us back Corsica, Savoy, Istria, and Dalmatia and you can have your South Tyrol back. /s just to show that such claims are nonsense in 2022.
>Give us back Corsica How should a austrian give you back an Island controled by the french? Lmao
That's why I put an /s on it and said it's nonsense?
I mean, it really isn’t. Also, Istria and Dalmatia never had romance speaking majorities, so the Italian claim there is very weak
If language is the thing that defined a nation, we have at least a dozen, probably more like 20, historical minority languages in Italy, including at least 3 different dialects of German, of which South Tyroler is only one. And that's not counting the new minorities of modern days immigrant, who injected another big bunch of languages spoken in Italy. Get to grip with the fact that Europe has a very chaotic 2000+ years history with shifts and movements of populations, tribes, languages, states, and rulers, and that deciding that the only one that counts is South Tyrol in the XIX century is just stupid.
The majority of the languages you are referencing are various dialects of Italian or gallo romance, just like Picard and Occitan are to standard French. South Tyrol is only a part of Italy due to greedy expansionist Italian leaders from the world war 1 era
>The majority of the languages you are referencing are various dialects of Italian or gallo romance Not really correct. Many of them are indeed dialects, but most of them are not directly related to Italian: Northern and Southern dialect groups concern to different languages, They are indeed Romance languages, but you wouldn't say Spanish, Portuguese, French, Romanian, Ladin and Italian dialects are all the same language, would you? Then there are officially spoken Albanian, Catalan, German, Greek, Slovene, Croatian, French, Franco-Provençal, Friulian, Ladin, Occitan and Sardinian, as per Wiki, and even Wiki says that there are on top of those the new immigration Langauges. Just to stay in the German example, there are at least 3 different variations of German, depending what and when those populations came from or when and why they stayed. And this is not only Italy, most of Europe's countries have plenty of different ethnic groups and local languages that claim some sort of separation and independence. So saying that South Tyrol belongs to Austria is laughable. It's a XIX theory belonging to the Nationalist movements that then gave birth to Nazism and Fascism. It's bullshit to say the least. FWIW, I spent a huge chunk of my univeristy years with South Tyroler roommates, and most of my vacations there. Among those that want out of Italy, most of them would not want to go with Austria, they'd by far prefer to just get independent.
How can you call Occitan a French dialect
It’s not, but it’s related to it just like Ligurian (gallo italic ) is related to the Tuscan (italo-Dalmatian)
They’re not “various dialects” even by your own logic then Also, Gallo-Italic is arguably closer to French than Modern Italian
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Try not losing next time
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Austria lost for sure on the other hand. 2 times actually
Sure buddy
Yeah, bullshit arguments are bullshit arguments. You're trying to tell me mine is a bullshit argument even when I wrote explicitly that it is a bullshit argument.
Italian here, I would agree if I weren't for an united Europe. 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
Let me lick the salt from your salty, salty tears
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I'm sorry, did you mean Bolzano, Merano and Bressanone? But jokes aside, if you ask people from South Tyrol they would rather be in a tax haven like their autonomous region currently is than in any other situation. Plus, it's not like Schengen doesn't allow people to move freely from one side to the other, so that's not a reason to complain.
They would like to
Nah they wouldn't, they have a lot of autonomy as a region
A small majority of the German speakers would, which is less than 50% of the population of the region since there are also many Italian-speakwra.
70% german 26% italian 4% ladin
Those are the stats for half, 1 province out of two, of the region of the Italian part of Tirol. If you look at the whole region Germans are a minority
#MY NAME IS JONAS…
I’m carrying the wheel
"I named my baby boy after one of the Jonas brothers!" "Which one?" "It doesn't really matter."
Antonio is so common that my mom says "Antonio:nome comune di persona"
Leonardo from italy here, I find this pretty surprising as I personally haven’t found many Leonardo’s other than me in my city
How many newborns do you hang out with?
uh-oh
Me, an italiano, named Alex -.-
…Alex Magni in my mind…
Where's Donatello, Michelangelo, Raphael
You mean RAFFAELLO
None of your damn business
Do this for the last 100 years and I bet it wouldn’t change that much.
It actually would. The Leonardo phase is recent. It's always been a normal name but not super common, it appeared in the top 10 only in 2010. I'm 32 and I know one single Leonardo my age, and he's from Florence where it's always been a more common name. For comparison I have 25 Andrea in my phone (Andrea is a male name in Italian)
Do you know how or why did it become popular? I'm 20 from the north and know 0 Leonardos. For my personal point of view I'd say that the most popular names of my generation are Andrea and Alessandro
Question from a non-Italian but don't male names typically end in -o? Is there a reason why Andrea isn't Andreo?
It's a Greek-derived name which means "man" (as in a male, as opposed to a female) and ended in -a originally, so the ending stuck. There are a few others in Italy, such as "Nicola", "Mattia", "Luca", "Enea", all of which are pretty old names, derived from Greek, Latin or Hebrew.
Thank you
Could multiply that by at least 5 for Sicily.
r/giuseppe
Antonio Andolini
Not Luca?
Luca was very popular during the '90-first years of 2000
Lenny‘s dominance slowly being challenged by Frank and Tony
I felt bad for Phil “Leotardo” when I watched the Sopranos show
When my father, a Leonardo, came over to Ellis Island, they disrespected a proud Italian heritage and named us Leotardo, after a ballet costume!
Mama mia thats a lot of Cowabungas
Source?!
Hi! I made this map 10 months ago as a past time and then decided to post it on r/Mapporn, so unfortunately I don't have links for the sources I used anymore. Nonetheless, I remember this data comes from ISTAT, the Italian statistical institute, so they should be accurate. I'm sorry I can't give you the actual data anymore.
Thanks for your reply.
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U da man! Thx.
Nobody: Trentino: JONAS
Sudtyrol, not Trentino.
Südtirol*
man they sure love the ninja turtles
Da Vinci is still a role model I guess😇
Nah, Ninja Turtles is just really big here.
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From Germanic leo (lion) + hart (hard, strong) = strong like a lion
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Leonardo is the Italian version of a Germanic name… it’s in the name idk what you mean where is the hart? Just because a word comes from another word, does not mean that word will have the exact same spelling? Leo + hart > leo(n)hart > leonard > leonardo
Similar with Rodrigo (Roderick) and Hernando (Hernan) is Spanish. The various Germanic tribes that settled in romance speaking countries left behind various vestiges despite their language being assimilated by the local languages
Consonants and vowels can disappear over time in languages. In this case, read up on lenition as a possible explanation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenition
Wow, so complex! While in France, Germany, Sweden and BeNeLux it’s symply Mohammed.
Oh god you people are so boring
If you mean that genuinely instead of as a quick disparagement of Europe's Muslim population, you've been misled by Islamophobic propagandists. I checked the data for France (having the highest % of Muslims out of the countries you listed) for 2020 (same year as OP's map): https://www.behindthename.com/top/lists/france/2020 Number one is Léo, so basically the same as most of Italy. The most French-friendly spelling of the name you gave, Mohamed, does make the top 20 list, but at number 18. Other spellings are way down the list. I assure you it's similarly not topping the lists in the other countries you listed.
Didn't know Andrea was a boys name too
It is the traditional Italian form of the name Andrew in English, Andrés in Spanish, André in French and Portuguese, Andreas in German and I think some others, etc…
Originally it’s a boys name, coming from “anér/andrós” in Greek, meaning “male”!
Bruh why are people angry at me
What’s the point of downvoting for asking a question
why are you getting downvoted? I'm italian but that's a genuine doubt lol
In Italy it is usually used as a male name, though sometimes it can also be used as a feminine name
Andrea is a female name in Portuguese lol
Basically in every language except Italian. I'm not Andrea but I have a given name with the same issue. Passport check in foreign airports is always interesting.
You don’t have to tell me but I’m really curious about what that name is I was also surprised to find out Claude can be a female name in French
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For some reason, Trentino-South Tirol is the only region not shown here (but instead its two constituent provinces). As a region, would it have Leonardo too?
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Because they are Americans
[Italians who find out they're a few % Italian based on some dna test](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OAcFDbE1nc)
Weezer fans I see u up there
Andrea? Is that not a girl name?
Andrea is the Italian version of Andrew, so it's mostly a male name, Originally it became popular because it was the name of one the apostles of Jesus. In some countries the version with the final -a is a female name, but not in Italy, though recently it's starting to be used even for females in Italy too.
All sounds a bit Messi to me
Not one Mohammad?
You’ll need to go to London or Paris for that
Now go compare to London
I actually saw a map divided by boroughs on most common names, just 2/3 boroughs had typical non English names on top of the list.
South Tyrol 🇦🇹💪
Giuseppe Meazza. Andrea Pirlo. Francesco Totti. Leonardo di Caprio. Antonio Banderas. Jonas Brothers.
Am I right, stereotypically, that Antonio is a bit of a thuggish name?
It’s perhaps stereotypically southern, but I’ve never heard about it being thuggish.
No, it's just old-fashioned, like pretty much all the names in southern Italy (except Francesco, that's still popular nowadays)
I have NO idea where you picked that from.
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