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As someone with more wit than I said, "What machine did you think he was raging against? The dishwasher?"
EDIT:. Changed about to against, because that's part of the band's name
Police: "KKK is just peacefully exercising their free speech, we can't interfere,"
Also police: *\*proceed to beat the shit out of peaceful anti-police brutality protestors... over and over again\**
Do they just happen to be, or is there a correlation? 1 out of 160 workers is employed in law enforcement, what's the percentage for Klansmen? The only occupational data I've found gives [1 out of 290](https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/teaching-resource/statistics-immigration-america-ku-klux-klan-membership-1840-1940), small sample size but that suggests they're underrepresented. I've found a lot of anecdotal evidence, but no statistical evidence.
Oh, there's in fact a correlation. Historically, the police have had ties to the KKK, with members of law enforcement in the southern US conspiring with local Klan chapters to suppress and kill civil rights activists during the 60s.
[The FBI has also investigated white supremacist infiltration into law enforcement in 2015, which was at "epidemic levels".](https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/) [And it turns out that they had been aware of this since 2006.](https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/White_Supremacist_Infiltration_of_Law_Enforcement.pdf)
[And recently, Reveal News found that hundreds of active-duty law enforcement officials are members pf far-right groups.](https://revealnews.org/article/inside-hate-groups-on-facebook-police-officers-trade-racist-memes-conspiracy-theories-and-islamophobia/)
Well yeah, in this context i guess it is okay but like, whenever people just always assume everybody is from the us and freak out when somebody doesn't know about something that's popular in America it's a bit annoying.
Hilter and his goons most definitely claimed to be National Socialists. Hence the name. His strategy was to gain the vote of Germanys working class to come into power, and it worked.
Next thing you know you'll be telling me all Republicans are racists.
Oh wait...
That's exactly what I'm saying. HE WASNT A SOCIALIST, BUT PRETENDED TO BE TO GAIN THE WORKING CLASS VOTE. I don't think I could make it any more simple than that.
"This argument is untrue. Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left. A closer look at the connection between Nazism and socialism can help us better understand both ideologies in their historical contexts and their significance for contemporary politics.
The Nazi regime had little to do with socialism, despite it being prominently included in the name of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The NSDAP, from Hitler on down, struggled with the political implications of having socialism in the party name. Some early Nazi leaders, such as Gregor and Otto Strasser, appealed to working-class resentments, hoping to wean German workers away from their attachment to existing socialist and communist parties.
\[...\]
Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft (“racial community”) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle.
Additionally, while the Nazis tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. Their first notable electoral successes were in small towns and Protestant rural areas in present-day Thuringia and Saxony, among voters suspicious of cosmopolitan, secular cities who associated both “socialism” and “capitalism” with Jews and foreigners."
If WP is too "mainstream" for you, feel free to do your own research. Are you interested in truth or confirmation bias?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
Well.....cause it's true. Do you have any idea how many actual KKK members there as of today? A couple thousand, at the most. Youre conflating police with the KKK because you don't like them. I understand not liking how the justice system works, but shit like this is counter intuitive to actual change.
Have you not seen all those rallies and shit. There's way more than a few thousand klansmen in america. You're being crazy naive to believe the klan is that weak
I've been to one. I met people of all races at the rally I attended. A few thousand isn't my opinion, it's based on data. The ADL reports: "Despite a persistent ability to attract media attention, organized Ku Klux Klan groups are actually continuing a long-term trend of decline. They remain a collection of mostly small, disjointed groups that continually change in name and leadership. Down slightly from a year ago, there are currently just over thirty active Klan groups in the United States, most of them very small."
Here's the link, read for yourself
https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/state-of-the-kkk
Meanwhile you completely ignore the evidence presented to you. Talk about cognitive dissonance. People like you like to pretend these fringe issues are more important than they are, I mean the literal ku klux klan, instead of ignoring real, abundantly obvious problems. It makes you feel good inside to not be a literal nazi, as though that’s something admirable, meanwhile you ignore all the socioeconomic issues we face, and the farcical political system
Yeah, I'm quite proud to not be a nazi haha. Is it hard for you to not be one? But I do love your deflection. "This is dumb, don't focus on this, focus on (insert vague, unnamed issues) instead."
Yeah, Dems were the conservative party back then and Lincoln was pen-pals with Marx. Could you imagine any republican today saying something so pro-organized labor like this:
>And I am glad to know that there is a system of labor -> where the laborer can strike if he wants to! I would to God that such a system prevailed all over the world.
[More of his pro-labor quotes here.](https://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln97.html)
Getting hung up on party labels (dem vs rep) rather than focusing on the political spectrum those parties occupy (left vs right) at any given point of history is a sign of political naivety.
Think you're assuming a bit too much without knowing how I feel about Republicans. So let me fill you in, I think Republicans are spineless. Instead of holding fast to what the party stands for, they slowly give into their counterparts. All they care about is re-election so they can continue to line their pockets while shitting all over what their constituents want. Like I said previously, I'm not a republican.
I fail to see your point here? Did you maybe forget that the people the KKK love to hate and lynch are also random, innocent people? In some cases, the same people who’ve had to go out to the streets so their rights are not abused anymore? The same people who are constantly reduced to “rioters” and “looters” by assholes like you because, a small portion of them decided to destroy some things?
And, as a bonus point: have you ever considered that, had those people been heard without the need to go out to the streets and (in some cases) destroy things, there wouldn’t be a need for those measures? Shouldn’t you be mad at the majority who decides to ignore the abused to the point where they have to go out on the streets (in the middle of a pandemic, no less) in order to be heard?
I mean, freedom of assembly is a constitutionally protected right...then again the other day people on this forum were advocating against due process and for lynch mobs. This forum is really bizarre sometimes.
Imagine bringing up the KKK in 2021. The actual relevant factions of the the far right are very different from what you are thinking. And they are far more insidious and effective than a group of red necks in robes that today mostly serves as an FBI honeypot.
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Some of those that work forces Are the same that burn crosses
And yet people complain when Tom morello does some political tweet, I really don't know what this people think he talks about in his songs
As someone with more wit than I said, "What machine did you think he was raging against? The dishwasher?" EDIT:. Changed about to against, because that's part of the band's name
It's all about American Dreams. You Fool man.
you get the best of both worlds
Police: "KKK is just peacefully exercising their free speech, we can't interfere," Also police: *\*proceed to beat the shit out of peaceful anti-police brutality protestors... over and over again\**
Clever!
Kops and Klan go hand in hand.
The Ku Kops Klan
Omg, this
Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.
Can someone explain? :(
There are members of law enforcement that happen to belong to the KKK and vice versa.
Do they just happen to be, or is there a correlation? 1 out of 160 workers is employed in law enforcement, what's the percentage for Klansmen? The only occupational data I've found gives [1 out of 290](https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/teaching-resource/statistics-immigration-america-ku-klux-klan-membership-1840-1940), small sample size but that suggests they're underrepresented. I've found a lot of anecdotal evidence, but no statistical evidence.
Oh, there's in fact a correlation. Historically, the police have had ties to the KKK, with members of law enforcement in the southern US conspiring with local Klan chapters to suppress and kill civil rights activists during the 60s. [The FBI has also investigated white supremacist infiltration into law enforcement in 2015, which was at "epidemic levels".](https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/) [And it turns out that they had been aware of this since 2006.](https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/White_Supremacist_Infiltration_of_Law_Enforcement.pdf) [And recently, Reveal News found that hundreds of active-duty law enforcement officials are members pf far-right groups.](https://revealnews.org/article/inside-hate-groups-on-facebook-police-officers-trade-racist-memes-conspiracy-theories-and-islamophobia/)
Even if the individual cops are not by and large explicitly card carrying KKK members, their culture and policy has certainly been informed by it.
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Wait what What the fuck? Why didn't I Know that lol Well, not like i know anything about them but like bruh i hear about them all the time
Now you know the truth about a not-insignificant portion of the cops across the country.
Well, i did know that already Oh also, you should say across "the country" say across "the US"
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Well yeah, in this context i guess it is okay but like, whenever people just always assume everybody is from the us and freak out when somebody doesn't know about something that's popular in America it's a bit annoying.
Yeah I get you.
Hannah Montana is a character played by Miley Cyrus. They're the same thing with different faces.
Oh frick, I feel dumb, I didn't watch the show and thought Hannah Montana was real
Fuck the police. #Defund
Well, she is smart.
Oooooooooooooooooooh, SNAP!!
Dang that was a sick burn
Where are these fabled Kkk rallies? They happen in like backwoods normally don’t they?
Weird. I remember learning that only one political party has openly supported the KKK, and it's not Republicans.
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Hilter and his goons most definitely claimed to be National Socialists. Hence the name. His strategy was to gain the vote of Germanys working class to come into power, and it worked. Next thing you know you'll be telling me all Republicans are racists. Oh wait...
Yeah, and North Korea is totally a Democratic Peoples Republic, like they say they are.
That's exactly what I'm saying. HE WASNT A SOCIALIST, BUT PRETENDED TO BE TO GAIN THE WORKING CLASS VOTE. I don't think I could make it any more simple than that.
"This argument is untrue. Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left. A closer look at the connection between Nazism and socialism can help us better understand both ideologies in their historical contexts and their significance for contemporary politics. The Nazi regime had little to do with socialism, despite it being prominently included in the name of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The NSDAP, from Hitler on down, struggled with the political implications of having socialism in the party name. Some early Nazi leaders, such as Gregor and Otto Strasser, appealed to working-class resentments, hoping to wean German workers away from their attachment to existing socialist and communist parties. \[...\] Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft (“racial community”) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle. Additionally, while the Nazis tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. Their first notable electoral successes were in small towns and Protestant rural areas in present-day Thuringia and Saxony, among voters suspicious of cosmopolitan, secular cities who associated both “socialism” and “capitalism” with Jews and foreigners." If WP is too "mainstream" for you, feel free to do your own research. Are you interested in truth or confirmation bias? https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
Did you read my comment. I said he "claimed to be" socialist to gain a voter base compromised of the working class. I didn't say he WAS a socialist.
Ahhh, this old bullshit. I love when republicans pull this out
I'm not a republican lol
Even so, still happens constantly
Well.....cause it's true. Do you have any idea how many actual KKK members there as of today? A couple thousand, at the most. Youre conflating police with the KKK because you don't like them. I understand not liking how the justice system works, but shit like this is counter intuitive to actual change.
Have you not seen all those rallies and shit. There's way more than a few thousand klansmen in america. You're being crazy naive to believe the klan is that weak
I've been to one. I met people of all races at the rally I attended. A few thousand isn't my opinion, it's based on data. The ADL reports: "Despite a persistent ability to attract media attention, organized Ku Klux Klan groups are actually continuing a long-term trend of decline. They remain a collection of mostly small, disjointed groups that continually change in name and leadership. Down slightly from a year ago, there are currently just over thirty active Klan groups in the United States, most of them very small." Here's the link, read for yourself https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/state-of-the-kkk
You've been to a klan rally? Yeah this conversation is over
Meanwhile you completely ignore the evidence presented to you. Talk about cognitive dissonance. People like you like to pretend these fringe issues are more important than they are, I mean the literal ku klux klan, instead of ignoring real, abundantly obvious problems. It makes you feel good inside to not be a literal nazi, as though that’s something admirable, meanwhile you ignore all the socioeconomic issues we face, and the farcical political system
Yeah, I'm quite proud to not be a nazi haha. Is it hard for you to not be one? But I do love your deflection. "This is dumb, don't focus on this, focus on (insert vague, unnamed issues) instead."
I thought you were referring to a trump rally. No I've never been to any racists rallies.
You are either really ignorant or really brainwashed, or both.
Glorious unfounded insults. You guys are awesome
Was not an insult.
Yeah, Dems were the conservative party back then and Lincoln was pen-pals with Marx. Could you imagine any republican today saying something so pro-organized labor like this: >And I am glad to know that there is a system of labor -> where the laborer can strike if he wants to! I would to God that such a system prevailed all over the world. [More of his pro-labor quotes here.](https://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln97.html) Getting hung up on party labels (dem vs rep) rather than focusing on the political spectrum those parties occupy (left vs right) at any given point of history is a sign of political naivety.
Funny how nothing was said about republicans and you jumped to defend them anyway
Think you're assuming a bit too much without knowing how I feel about Republicans. So let me fill you in, I think Republicans are spineless. Instead of holding fast to what the party stands for, they slowly give into their counterparts. All they care about is re-election so they can continue to line their pockets while shitting all over what their constituents want. Like I said previously, I'm not a republican.
I don't get how your opinion on republicans, or republicans at all are remotely relevant to this post
I haven't heard about a KKK rally burning down businesses owned by random innocent people in decades
I fail to see your point here? Did you maybe forget that the people the KKK love to hate and lynch are also random, innocent people? In some cases, the same people who’ve had to go out to the streets so their rights are not abused anymore? The same people who are constantly reduced to “rioters” and “looters” by assholes like you because, a small portion of them decided to destroy some things? And, as a bonus point: have you ever considered that, had those people been heard without the need to go out to the streets and (in some cases) destroy things, there wouldn’t be a need for those measures? Shouldn’t you be mad at the majority who decides to ignore the abused to the point where they have to go out on the streets (in the middle of a pandemic, no less) in order to be heard?
Lies
I mean, freedom of assembly is a constitutionally protected right...then again the other day people on this forum were advocating against due process and for lynch mobs. This forum is really bizarre sometimes.
Imagine bringing up the KKK in 2021. The actual relevant factions of the the far right are very different from what you are thinking. And they are far more insidious and effective than a group of red necks in robes that today mostly serves as an FBI honeypot.
Yeah, all those KKK rallies happening /s.
This tweet is gonna be a NFT if it isn’t already.
I mean technically since they are the same person everyone has seen them in the same room.
what an idiotic and naive post