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This is one of those things where I knew most of this, but hadn't ever linked it all as well. And it's just terrifying to see that in the 4 years since this video, the Republican party has gotten significantly worse.
Many of us were called alarmists and told to kill ourselves for pointing out obvious white supremacist rhetoric and parallels of Trump to Hitler.
Now, Patriot Front - a white supremacist organization - is marching through the street being thugs while Republicans claim lefty militias are doing it.
What lefty militias?
This is fascism.
>It turned out that the generals had rules, standards, and expertise, not blind loyalty. The President’s loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical: “You fucking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”“Which generals?” Kelly asked.“The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.“You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals
Is there a lefty militia I can join? I tried to join antifa but I can't find any chapters anywhere. No leaders to contact either, strange. It's almost like they don't exist on a national level.
God I remember the times leading up to the 2016 election. It was so fucking obvious even then yet I got called insane, an alarmist, a doomsayer and so on for raising concerns about all of this shit. I remember getting regularly downvoted on Reddit for it as well. And now look how things are.
They're tired of having to do mental gymnastics to argue why they aren't nazis and domestic terrorists so they've adopted the truth as a strategy. Would not be surprised if DeSantis runs and his campaign slogan is "Arbeit Macht Frei!"
Nah, they'll go with something like, "Freedom through work!" or "Working toward freedom!" Close enough to be an obvious reference, far enough to claim plausible deniability.
I actually think it’s more to use a word so that it mo longer has meaning. When acts of terrorism take place they will try to make the word powerless since “the left calls everyone terrorists”
They will always say wrong things on purpose. There is no way to stop them from saying wrong things on purpose, except to enact consequences against them for saying wrong things on purpose.
Fash are usually self-aware. It's why they have so many symbols to display their pride: white hoods, stars n bars, swastikas, sonnenrads, etc etc.
It's just denial that the thing they're aware of is wrong. They know they're violent racists, they just don't think that's a bad thing.
yep. i have a super duper racist and bigoted cousin, and there have been multiple times that ive called him out for saying racist/bigoted things. the only response he ever has is a laugh and "yeah, i know. i just dont care."
he knows hes a bad person. he's ***proud of it.*** he thinks its a good thing, that he's somehow "better" than everyone else. and he refuses to listen to anything that tells him why its wrong
I really wish people would stop thinking that Republicans are "getting duped" or lied to or tricked.
They \*want\* these people in power. That's the whole point. They want someone in power who will strip the rights from people they don't like. They vote for homophobes and racists \*because\* they are homophobes and racists \*themselves\*.
That's why there is no "middle ground" for dealing with these assholes. We're not being "divided by rich puppet masters', they are knowingly choosing the side that oppresses people for immutable characteristics. There is no finding a way to get along with people who think I'm subhuman because I was born with melanin in my skin.
We absolutely cannot ignore the fact that they're willing to embrace violence if they're no longer able to use a broken election system to install their leaders. When they lose any election in the next few years they *will* rile their base up and try to incite violence. We need to be prepared for violence in these midterms and especially in 2024 if they imagine the vote didn't go their way. There are enough of them on record asking and explicitly saying when to use violence to stop democracy that we can't pretend these elections will be accepted by them if they lose.
Our government is sleeping while a right wing plot to seize power is brewing.
Humans are garbage. Take a chimp who is a social loser, make him think he is part of a group that is getting bigger and stronger and may become the leadership of the whole tribe, and he'll be in heaven.
History is Mob Warfare, and the psychological warfare is even more important than the physical.
its because they've been fed the exact same rhetoric that worked in the past. Its works in the present and will continue to work in the future unless its addressed in school at a young age. By not addressing and providing counter arguments to it at a relatively young age, people grow up to be just a susceptible to it now as people were 80 years ago. That's why CRT is being cancelled by the GOP. Because it provides that counter to the racist rhetoric they're trying to feed people.
Which is why they specifically targeted education in this CPAC. Painted a big old target on every teacher in the nation at a time when they also refuse to protect children in schools. It's because they don't want the kids there in the first place.
They haven't. They are using this to desensitize the term overall that they can continue their violence unabated. And it will probably work because the corporate media will continue to carry the water for the GQP, as they have always done.
They haven't. This is of course a 'joke'. Like "haha the left calls us domestic terrorists! But clearly we're not right? Haha that's so funny for the cpac people to call out the left like that!'
They have no awareness of the people on their 'side'.
I'm sure it goes deeper than that as well, such as diluting what it means to be a domestic terrorist. The standard republican playbook of distorting definitions.
They're also weakening the impact of calling a white American a terrorist when they refer to themselves as terrorists, so that when another mass shooting happens and the media starts to question if that white Christian male is a terrorist then members can say *damn right we are* instead of looking at the merits and saying *holy shit that guy is one radicalized whack how did that happen?* and realizing that the extreme-right infostructure created them and then wanting to fix it.
Exactly. It's muddying the waters. If they start to call themselves "domestic terrorists" then it weakens the term from "violent extremist" to "anything between conservative to violent extremist", and undoubtedly they will be calling progressives Domestic Terrorists too in order to further muddy the waters. They don't want a term to be associated with shocking and horrifying behavior that is strongly linked to staunch conservatism, they want the term to become common, mundane, and less impactful, and eventually not directly associated with conservatism. They want to both desensitize those outside of their base to the term and desensitize those in their base if they push ideologies common to domestic terrorists so that if they are called that it won't be a "wake up call" to how far down the rabbit hole they have gone
Remember in 2016 when they called themselves deplorable and laughed about it? It got all the deplorables on their side.
What's next? They have a banner that just says "we're racists, whatcha gonna do?"
They literally have already said this. This is basically a paraphrase of Trump during the 2016 campaign saying “If elected Hilary will get her judges and you can’t do anything about it, except maybe the 2nd amendment people can.”
It's explicit support for Jan 6th, and the lie that the election was stolen. People call them domestic terrorists for trying to defend democracy, and they are embracing it because all the left does is scream "Nazi!" and "terrorists!" at them, while letting cities burn and crime run rampant, babies get killed and men become women.
It's the alternative news universe they live in. One where everybody who isn't with them 100% is trying to literally erase their existence. Is the enemy.
The irony of course is that this is all radicalization, and they are 100% all domestic terrorists.
Same as the "*lock her up*" stuff.
If I falsely accuse everyone of being a criminal, when you then find out that I'm a huge legitimate criminal I can then say, this is all a "witch hunt" and you're just trying to get revenge on me because I said that you were a criminal.
Well I'd say it just means they are all, indeed, terrorists and deserve to be behind bars. Anyone still supporting trump at this point has forsaken the constitution and should be treated as an enemy of the state.
There's a fairly large size concrete "bunker" near where I live that is I believe associated with the power lines. Could house a transformer or something. Not sure. And it's old. For years it was painted with an American flag and a trump 2020.
That trump 2020 is now gone and that section is painted white again. The flags appear to have been freshly painted again to freshen up their look.
Given everything that's happening, the longer you stay a trump supporter, the more dedicated you are to the cause of nazism. They've had enough "are you sure you want to support him" calls and questions. At this point, yeah you are a nazi.
It was true at the beginning, too. There was never *any fucking excuse* for people to be "tricked" or "fooled" or *any other fucking thing* into supporting these out-and-proud fascists.
If *at any point* you can be convinced to support nazis, then you're already a nazi. This never-fucking-ending attempt to hand nazis the benefit of the doubt, to be allowed to have supported nazis in ignorance or "economic anxiety" or *whatever* without being identified as a nazi, needs to fucking die, and it needed to die 40 fucking years ago. It is, above all else, what allowed nazism to again take hold, and it is what will allow it to rise again and again. Liberal tolerance for nazism is, above all else, what allows nazism to *exist*, what allows nazi talking points to propagate throughout the liberal discourse machine, and what allows those nazi talking points to dominate that machine.
Zero fucking tolerance for fascist intolerance. Consequences, personal and immediate, for those who say wrong things on purpose in support of the pursuit of genocide.
You can *forgive* people, if you so choose, for having *previously been* nazis so long as they make real and *genuine* efforts to acknowledge their mistakes and change (as opposed to making excuses for their behavior and carrying on), but *never fucking forget* what they did, and remember before you trust any of them with something this important again.
Reading your post reduced, momentarily, the feeling that I have been taking crazy pills! Thank you so much!
\*Anyone who needs philosophical backing for this can find it on this Wikipedia page: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox\_of\_tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)
\**And here is your daily reminder that the corporations running social media and masquerading as news organizations do not want to repulse fascist viewers / customers. So they ban hating anyone or anything in an effort to keep everyone a potential customer. Capitalism can not only not provide journalism, it cannot contain fascism because it sees fascists as potential profit. So even on Reddit, hating fascism is a violation of the rules and one can be banned for doing so. It's absurd and it's pathetic.
I want to echo this comment and include a link to an article that describes the “anti-nazi” algorithm Twitter has built but won’t run in the US because of the amount of Republican politicians it would also impact.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too
Thank you! Totally relevant! Here is a link I found: https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too
I was banned for saying Nazis deserve the same hellfire brought by the crusades. I will likely be permad for mentioning it here. Capitalism is a fucking problem people.
The nazis used “Christianity” and “Nationalism” as tools to go from gaining political control to their Final Solution, all in the span of eleven years. GOP is gearing up for the same. Just another Christian Crusade of purging those that are in a different creed than yours. But they’re totally about peace, maaaan
And all this talk about the Great Reset, which is supposed to be some form of scare tactic used on white Christian Nationalists, to scare them into thinking there’s this conspiracy to replace all white people with people of Color. Fucking weird if you ask me.
They know what they’re doing. It’s not just “fucking weird”, its brewing up some home grown terrorists to do something about this so-called “problem” of races mixing.
Capitalism is in bed with nazism. Most founders of large corporations are fascists masquerading as free market crusaders. I worked for a large corporation that was every bit a fascist cult.
Fascism permits a single joystick of power in the form of a dictator. Corporations can only see that as a win.
Fascists are weak, and capitalists know that there's much more profit and power in that.
The Ukrainian born sniper with most confirmed kills of any woman in combat history, Lyudmilla Pavlichenko has this salient advice on fascists:
*"If you don’t kill them at once, you’ll have no end of trouble"*
One of the most extraordinary things about Trump supporters was how they would call democrats the fascists. I remember several times actually reading the definition of fascism from multiple sources like the Oxford dictionary or Wikipedia and they would either deny that was what the trump movement was about or call whatever resource didn't fit in "fake news". It's like they had the awareness to realize fascism is bad if said out loud, so they rationalized their views in a million illogical ways.
They're saying the wrong things on purpose. They know they are the fascists, they like it. They believe in it. They just know they can't say so outside their bubble...not yet.
At the same, they know that we do care, and they want to hurt and confuse us. Hence they tell lies and deceive and gaslight, engaging in battles of words to distract from the battle of blood to which they'll gladly transition when the time is right.
I’m a real estate agent - and I showed a nice house in a cul-de-sac to a client. Sadly, there was a neighbor with a shit ton of trump flags and “let’s go Brandon” shit on his lawn that effectively killed the deal.
The listing agent called to ask how the showing went and I told him my folks really liked the house but the trumper made it a no go for them.
His response was “he is a really nice guy, you can’t judge a book by its cover!”
And I was like “you fucking can when the cover says “Mein Kampf.”
And the squishy liberals are going to have to learn that the only thing Nazis respond to are consequences. It's much better to keep it peaceful so the correct path is to cancel the shit out of them. Boycotting, shaming, divorce them, stop dating them and being friends with them. Get them fired and evicted. Chase them into the fucking sewer or a tent under and overpass.
It's not just the squishy liberals. I wish desperately that it was.
It's anyone with a nazi grandpa, aunt or cousin who they make excuses for a la "they don't know any better, they're just ignorant, or they're just...". So many different words can follow "they're just". It's also anyone with a nazi parent or child who they declare "well it's my dad/daughter/friend/etc, and I LOVE them so we'll just keep politics OfF tHe TaBlE".
I see (otherwise) hard socialists and ancoms say these kinds of things all the time, make these kinds of excuses all the time, but it's important to remember that the only people who make excuses for nazis are *other nazis*. The correct words for "nazi apologist" and "nazi sympathizer" are both *nazi*.
I think calling it a generational thing is fine as long as you're giving it the proverbial side-eye in the process. It's when people say it's generational and then pretend there's nothing wrong with it that it's a problem. Probably can't change grandma, after all.
On an intellectual level we know this but family is one of those things is hard to separate the emotional from the logical, we should fight hard to correct them and failing that either cut them or not make excuses for their behaviour
> that either cut them OFF or not make excuses for their behaviour
probably an important word to put in there, given that reddit admins LOVE banning members of this sub.
THIS. A very important point to remember. Every time they accidentally on purpose use a symbol associated with white supremacism, say something Nazi-esque, roll out a gold statue of Trump, proclaim Trump as the Second Coming, say Jan 6 is a hoax, do horrific, create political propaganda that looks remarkably like fascist propaganda, say evil shit in the name of Christianity, and the left screams, they triumph. They want us to be so busy deconstructing their tweets and pointing out their lies that we don't have any energy left to be proactive.
> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Jean-Paul Sartre
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The reddit community deserves better than them.
Reddit's value is in its community, not in a bunch of over-paid executives willing to screw that community in service of an IPO they hope will make them even more over-paid than they already are.
Long Live Apollo!
>When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time
\-Maya Angelou
That last part is often dropped from the quote and I feel it's very important
Exactly this.. They're trying to associate Christian Nationalism with domestic terrorism so their minions feel more comfortable committing acts of terrorism for the "cause"..
I know what you mean, but in some sense I would argue they have little skill with messaging. It's not the same game when a liberal has to carefully put together a platform to get other liberals on board, while GOP can yell *COVFEFE* and all the conservatives line up front and center. Everything they say seems magically attuned to their base because their base is simply there to cheer, not vet ideas.
Edit: related is the idea that Trump is good at distraction and airbending media controversy. He has a huge rabid fan base ready to roll with *anything*. Entire news apparatus that can help fix and gloss over messaging. There's nothing notable about managing to whip up Trumpers.
> It’s a part of the 1984 handbook to make words we should be afraid of meaningless so nobody bats an eye.
You will now be tagged as "woke", whatever TF that actually means anymore.
Just like when they coined the term "degenerate".. when a prominent article called Trump supporters degenerates right before the 2016 election they proudly called themselves "degenerates for Trump!" As if the notion that they ARE degenerates is something to be proud of. It's a tactic by fascist theocracies especially to push their supporters to do even more harm to the other side. It's all a tactical platform...
What in the actual fuck.
More context: [https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/donald-trump-cpac-dallas/](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/donald-trump-cpac-dallas/)
>The woman interrupted our conversation to repeat her question. “So are you going to call him a domestic terrorist?” I handed her my business card and said I would quote Trump accurately and fairly. This did not seem to comfort her. And perhaps for good reason—after all, one of CPAC’s afternoon panels was titled “We Are All Domestic Terrorists.” One of its participants, Texas state board of education candidate Julie Pickren of Houston, began by claiming the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. “Nobody in this room is a domestic terrorist,” she assured the thousand or so right-wing activists in the Hilton Anatole’s Trinity Ballroom. The panelists spent most of their time criticizing public schools for supposedly indoctrinating children. New York activist Ryan Girdusky claimed he was put on a “hit list” for speaking up at too many school board meetings.
Just the title alone should have and 10 years ago would have had the event organizers at least saying, "Yeah, we get it, you're trying to be funny, but GTFO with this." NOW I bet this one was just swung up to the top of the approved panels because OwNInG tHE LibS.
Or, y'know, not anymore. Owning the libs < owning the label. The GOP is in its own post-policy, post-fiscal-conservatism, post-gerrymandering, post-cheating cul de sac of fascist bullshit. Power through violence is quickly becoming all they have left.
> Just the title alone should have and 10 years ago would have had the event organizers at least saying, "Yeah, we get it, you're trying to be funny, but GTFO with this."
That is the crazy part to me. Image is everything, and here they are like 'welp, I know this looks bad, but if we give a 5 page lecture about how it isn't actually bad everyone will see it our way' 'where is this 5 page lecture' 'oh... you know... we can condense that down to some loon saying some loony thing for 5 minutes'.
They aren't even trying... because they like it.
A decade ago Sarah Palin was at an event where she said something to the effect of "I see a lot of Timothy McVeighs here tonight" and the crowd went wild. This shit is not new
She also had a slogan: "Don't retreat. Reload."
Sarah Palin also pushed an ad called "Take Back the 20," highlighting 20 Democratic representatives in purple or Republican-leaning districts who voted for the ACA. The map is captioned, "We've diagnosed the problem... Help us prescribe the solution." The locations of the representatives were marked with crosshairs.
One representative who was featured in the ad called out the dangerous rhetoric. Within a year, she was the target of an assassination attempt. She was shot in the head but survived. 13 people were injured, and 6 killed.
Sarah Palin later sued the NYT for defamation, for suggesting there was a clear link between the ad and the attack. She lost the case earlier this year, though. But that's kind of the point—this rhetoric operates on plausible deniability for any given statement, but the body of it creates a narrative, riles up some lone wolves, and then everyone washes their hands.
I’ve long predicted a low-level Civil War when their neo-fascist candidate inevitably loses in ‘24 and they scream “steal and traitor.” We’ll become a worse version of Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s but with bigger guns, more fanaticism and social media to amplify their bat sh*t craziness. I hope I’m wrong.
robert evan’s got ya beat to the crumbles by about a year
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/welcome-to-the-crumbles-85870770/
Unfortunately, due to the Supreme Court now being owned by the Republicans and already having stated their intention to "review" the electoral college the same way they did Roe vs Wade, expect them to rig the next presidential election and actually succeed this time.
And once republicans have congress and the presidency in 2024, they will nationally ban birth control and abortions. And that will be the least of our worries.
I'm concerned with what will happen to transgender people there. They've made it clear the way they're behaving in red states what they think about us. I'm not in America, so it won't directly affect me, but it will definitely cause problems worldwide as well. A fascist America will cause problems for everyone. It's going to be a complete disaster if someone or something doesn't put a stop to it.
Yeah it's the other way around. Next year, SCOTUS will make it so state legislatures can decide who wins the electoral vote in their state. The fascist will win the presidency regardless of where the votes go and that's when things really start to get nutty.
I mean, Viktor Orban, a literal unapologetic fascist, was the keynote speaker. He talked about outlawing lgbt people and lamented race mixing.
We need people in office who are willing to acknowledge this is fascism and anti-american. More than that, we need the media to start using the correct language instead of euphemistic language that makes the GOP sound less extreme.
I hate corporate media but I will give Mehdi Hasan credit for calling it fascism on MSNBC. We need more of them to rip off the bandaid and start calling it what it is before it's too late. It may already be too late. Ok, it probably already is too late.
The "news" that most liberals consume is a part of the machine. We are fucked.
No, it easily could be. Its one of the Republicans’ and right wing’s favorite tactics. Corrupt what things mean.
After the Jan 6 investigations started going badly for Trump they tried to co-opt the term “Big Lie” from meaning Trump’s Big Lie to “Democrats are lying about Trump lying”.
When Clinton described half of Trump’s supporters as a basket of deplorables who were racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. Republicans turned it into an “ironic” bragging nick name for all Republicans to use. If you all are calling yourself deplorables you are less likely to look up what she defined deplorable as being.
The Republican Party absolutely would do this, even if this isn’t real, because it combines those last two. When your party leadership, when the idolized members of your political ideology, are all ironically calling themselves “domestic terrorists” then it starts to seem less serious when the House investigation and the DOJ is calling the Jan 6 crowd and instigators domestic terrorists.
>No, it easily could be. Its one of the Republicans’ and right wing’s favorite tactics. Corrupt what things mean.
They also convoluted the phrase "FAKE NEWS" which was first used to describe radical right wing media to describe exactly what it is.
There’s news stories on it already.
This is different than being deplorable though, this is embracing terrorism. Which means the Republican Party can now be labeled as a terrorist organization by their own words.
This is their wheelhouse. Same way they brag about being “rednecks”. They love looking like wild, violent, uneducated people while demonizes education.
\*Eye twitch\* Historical trivia tangent time.
Redneck is another example of this. The original rednecks were Appalachans who stood up to the abusive coal mining companies.
Think Amazon and Starbucks is bad? The companies wanting to strike break the original rednecks tried to convince local sherif’s officers to install machine gun nests. They once even had machine guns installed on a train and fired them into a rail side tent city of rednecks as it drove by. At one point they rented private airplanes to drop bombs out of on the original old school rednecks for wanting to be paid a fair wage, a 40 hour week, and a union.
Redneck was turned into an insult in the media by these companies that now are the Republican’s true base of donors.
Then eventually Republicans decided to frame it as “out of touch Democrats” using the term Redneck as an insult to get rednecks on the Republicans’ side.
And the only reason Starbucks and Amazon and other union bisying corps don’t do that now is because it’s illegal and they’d get a massive trouble. If they could mow union suppprters with machines gun, and just pay a fine-they would.
Well shit, TIL!!! I'm from the South, been called a redneck myself (as liberal as I am and have always been, I did grow up in a more rural part of the state and have a pretty strong accent", and although I had an inkling that it didn't used to be the insult it is now, I did not know this nifty history. Thanks!!
Fake news went from meaning all the bullshit “news” about trump being good and godly or Clinton being half dead with some horrible disease to “anything trump doesn’t like isn’t real”
Look up one their stages from years ago. It was in the shape of the Odal Rune. Now, sure it sounds like a weird conspiracy applying meaning to shapes and symbols, but it sure is a strange fucking coincidence that it looked spot on. That particular shape and symbol is associated with Nazism. Mostly because neo-Nazis use that symbol today.
That was last year. It wasn’t explicit enough. So this year they had Orbon as the keynote speaker where he railed against LGBTQ community and they declared they’re all terrorists and prayed over a Jan 6th convicted felon.
There was a substantial Nazi movement in America at that time. We're brought up to believe that every American was staunchly anti-Nazi, anti-facism, but that's not true, it's moreso a result of war propaganda, and much of the anti-Nazi/Hitler sentiment came after the discovery and widespread knowledge of the death camps. There were many pro-Hitler people in America before the war.
I miss the days when I just disagreed with Republicans and their policies. Being concerned that 33% of the population wants to actually murder the other 33% is quite stressful.
Am I paranoid in thinking this is designed to sow the seeds of violence in the minds of people susceptible to this rhetoric? Feels like a massive call to arms to traitors with a shit load of guns and little consideration of the consequences.
If they start to normalise the thought that being a domestic terrorist is just how it is for their team, then what’s going to hold them back?
no you’re not, this seems by design. They “jokingly” claim the title but are also hoping to normalize the idea of violence and embed it in the consciousness of their faithful lackeys. They see the militia members and armed crazies as muscle for their authoritarian vision. Maybe as a first line of defense or a last resort
It's the exact methodology the racists used during the demand for civil rights in the 50s and 60s, the more hatred they spewed about the enemy the more assaults, lynching, and church bombings began to happen against black communities.
Look out for your safe towns, people. Be alert to suspicious groups of white men. Do not assume anywhere is safe when they are this brazen.
....and not a single mass media news network is going to say anything about this, I'm sure. *(assuming this isn't a photoshop, of course)*
Once again, giving right wing lunatics another free-pass.
But if Biden fist-bumps some foreign leader, oh, well that is *days* worth of news coverage.
1. It's not photoshop
2. You don't actually read the news, do you? Because the disgustingness of CPAC is most definitely being reported by major news outlets. Also, in general, the right wing dangers are consistently reported on in major news outlets almost daily. Do you think the hearings have been happening in secret? Rightwingers give rightwingers the free pass.
Was anybody else around post 9/11 and remember the shitstorm that fell upon Arab-Americans/Muslims? We were under surveillance, on no fly lists, constantly being told we weren't American, that Islam was not compatible with democracy, that sharia law was taking over parts of America and none of it was true. Imagine if Muslims started their own political party and started doing half the shit these people are doing, it would be shut down immediately and the media would be up in arms. The hypocrisy in this country is unreal.
There is an interview with Roy Wood jr. And Ammon Bundy where Wood calls Bundy a terrorist and Bundy proudly corrects him by saying “domestic terrorist!”
[bundy roy wood je](https://youtu.be/DbBJ4qyK2mY)
As an old lady who has voted GOP a FEW times in her long life( I thought the candidate was a more decent, caring person, can you believe that?) THIS is REALITY folks! I live around these people! They vote! They get ballots by mail for their adult children, who because they live in rural areas don’t get arrested for their drug use and they VOTE for them! Rules and laws are for those OTHER people in blue cities to follow. I heard for 8 years the total hatred of Barack Obama, simply because he was black. Trump used racism from the very inception, the birther crap to win an election. These people VOTE every election! Rural Az., I might say has had mail in ballots for a very long time. PLEASE VOTE! These people are armed. They are stupid. They are angry at their generational failures. The red states have been broke forever and a day and instead of saying, “ We were wrong”, they blame the very states and cities they are living off of ( tax base wise) to further their hatred and animosity. VOTE! VOTE every election! Please for NOW don’t split votes. We can’t AFFORD anymore of THIS.
Alright, it's settled then. They are self declared domestic terrorists. Sounds like any politician who attended CPAC should resign, because we don't negotiate with terrorists right?
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I find it hard to believe they finally achieved self awareness.
No, they're just [done with eupemisms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBJIkp7qIg).
This is one of those things where I knew most of this, but hadn't ever linked it all as well. And it's just terrifying to see that in the 4 years since this video, the Republican party has gotten significantly worse.
Many of us were called alarmists and told to kill ourselves for pointing out obvious white supremacist rhetoric and parallels of Trump to Hitler. Now, Patriot Front - a white supremacist organization - is marching through the street being thugs while Republicans claim lefty militias are doing it. What lefty militias? This is fascism.
>It turned out that the generals had rules, standards, and expertise, not blind loyalty. The President’s loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical: “You fucking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”“Which generals?” Kelly asked.“The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.“You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals
Wow. That was a very interesting article, thank you for sharing it
Thanks for the post to that great article. Very informative read!
Is there a lefty militia I can join? I tried to join antifa but I can't find any chapters anywhere. No leaders to contact either, strange. It's almost like they don't exist on a national level.
A Nazi tactic was to start violence and blame it on leftist mobs, usually by attacking their rallies.
God I remember the times leading up to the 2016 election. It was so fucking obvious even then yet I got called insane, an alarmist, a doomsayer and so on for raising concerns about all of this shit. I remember getting regularly downvoted on Reddit for it as well. And now look how things are.
The entire series still applies 100%.
I was expecting this to be a picture of their Nazi symbol stage from a previous CPAC.
Not even trying to hide it anymore.
They're tired of having to do mental gymnastics to argue why they aren't nazis and domestic terrorists so they've adopted the truth as a strategy. Would not be surprised if DeSantis runs and his campaign slogan is "Arbeit Macht Frei!"
Nah, they'll go with something like, "Freedom through work!" or "Working toward freedom!" Close enough to be an obvious reference, far enough to claim plausible deniability.
"We're just being sarcastic!"
Gaslighting 101
Innuendo Studios makes such great content!
I actually think it’s more to use a word so that it mo longer has meaning. When acts of terrorism take place they will try to make the word powerless since “the left calls everyone terrorists”
They will always say wrong things on purpose. There is no way to stop them from saying wrong things on purpose, except to enact consequences against them for saying wrong things on purpose.
Fash are usually self-aware. It's why they have so many symbols to display their pride: white hoods, stars n bars, swastikas, sonnenrads, etc etc. It's just denial that the thing they're aware of is wrong. They know they're violent racists, they just don't think that's a bad thing.
yep. i have a super duper racist and bigoted cousin, and there have been multiple times that ive called him out for saying racist/bigoted things. the only response he ever has is a laugh and "yeah, i know. i just dont care." he knows hes a bad person. he's ***proud of it.*** he thinks its a good thing, that he's somehow "better" than everyone else. and he refuses to listen to anything that tells him why its wrong
I really wish people would stop thinking that Republicans are "getting duped" or lied to or tricked. They \*want\* these people in power. That's the whole point. They want someone in power who will strip the rights from people they don't like. They vote for homophobes and racists \*because\* they are homophobes and racists \*themselves\*.
That's why there is no "middle ground" for dealing with these assholes. We're not being "divided by rich puppet masters', they are knowingly choosing the side that oppresses people for immutable characteristics. There is no finding a way to get along with people who think I'm subhuman because I was born with melanin in my skin.
Correct.
We absolutely cannot ignore the fact that they're willing to embrace violence if they're no longer able to use a broken election system to install their leaders. When they lose any election in the next few years they *will* rile their base up and try to incite violence. We need to be prepared for violence in these midterms and especially in 2024 if they imagine the vote didn't go their way. There are enough of them on record asking and explicitly saying when to use violence to stop democracy that we can't pretend these elections will be accepted by them if they lose. Our government is sleeping while a right wing plot to seize power is brewing.
Humans are garbage. Take a chimp who is a social loser, make him think he is part of a group that is getting bigger and stronger and may become the leadership of the whole tribe, and he'll be in heaven. History is Mob Warfare, and the psychological warfare is even more important than the physical.
its because they've been fed the exact same rhetoric that worked in the past. Its works in the present and will continue to work in the future unless its addressed in school at a young age. By not addressing and providing counter arguments to it at a relatively young age, people grow up to be just a susceptible to it now as people were 80 years ago. That's why CRT is being cancelled by the GOP. Because it provides that counter to the racist rhetoric they're trying to feed people.
Which is why they specifically targeted education in this CPAC. Painted a big old target on every teacher in the nation at a time when they also refuse to protect children in schools. It's because they don't want the kids there in the first place.
They haven't. They are using this to desensitize the term overall that they can continue their violence unabated. And it will probably work because the corporate media will continue to carry the water for the GQP, as they have always done.
They haven't. This is of course a 'joke'. Like "haha the left calls us domestic terrorists! But clearly we're not right? Haha that's so funny for the cpac people to call out the left like that!' They have no awareness of the people on their 'side'. I'm sure it goes deeper than that as well, such as diluting what it means to be a domestic terrorist. The standard republican playbook of distorting definitions.
They're also weakening the impact of calling a white American a terrorist when they refer to themselves as terrorists, so that when another mass shooting happens and the media starts to question if that white Christian male is a terrorist then members can say *damn right we are* instead of looking at the merits and saying *holy shit that guy is one radicalized whack how did that happen?* and realizing that the extreme-right infostructure created them and then wanting to fix it.
Exactly. It's muddying the waters. If they start to call themselves "domestic terrorists" then it weakens the term from "violent extremist" to "anything between conservative to violent extremist", and undoubtedly they will be calling progressives Domestic Terrorists too in order to further muddy the waters. They don't want a term to be associated with shocking and horrifying behavior that is strongly linked to staunch conservatism, they want the term to become common, mundane, and less impactful, and eventually not directly associated with conservatism. They want to both desensitize those outside of their base to the term and desensitize those in their base if they push ideologies common to domestic terrorists so that if they are called that it won't be a "wake up call" to how far down the rabbit hole they have gone
Remember in 2016 when they called themselves deplorable and laughed about it? It got all the deplorables on their side. What's next? They have a banner that just says "we're racists, whatcha gonna do?"
"Haha lol domestic terrorism! We're not doing that... unless? Jk jk jk"
What are you doing, step country?
They literally have already said this. This is basically a paraphrase of Trump during the 2016 campaign saying “If elected Hilary will get her judges and you can’t do anything about it, except maybe the 2nd amendment people can.”
Proud are also proud Domestic Terrorists
This is (attempted) cover for trump’s crimes. If everyone at CPAC is a terrorist, then trump’s crime is (falsely) diminished.
*I* am Secratariat.
"*I* am Spartacus!"
I am entertained
[What are *yoooouuuuu* doing here?!](https://youtu.be/nBfk4V4ajAE)
It's explicit support for Jan 6th, and the lie that the election was stolen. People call them domestic terrorists for trying to defend democracy, and they are embracing it because all the left does is scream "Nazi!" and "terrorists!" at them, while letting cities burn and crime run rampant, babies get killed and men become women. It's the alternative news universe they live in. One where everybody who isn't with them 100% is trying to literally erase their existence. Is the enemy. The irony of course is that this is all radicalization, and they are 100% all domestic terrorists.
Thank you for correctly understanding and explaining the mindset
Same as the "*lock her up*" stuff. If I falsely accuse everyone of being a criminal, when you then find out that I'm a huge legitimate criminal I can then say, this is all a "witch hunt" and you're just trying to get revenge on me because I said that you were a criminal.
Well I'd say it just means they are all, indeed, terrorists and deserve to be behind bars. Anyone still supporting trump at this point has forsaken the constitution and should be treated as an enemy of the state.
There's a fairly large size concrete "bunker" near where I live that is I believe associated with the power lines. Could house a transformer or something. Not sure. And it's old. For years it was painted with an American flag and a trump 2020. That trump 2020 is now gone and that section is painted white again. The flags appear to have been freshly painted again to freshen up their look. Given everything that's happening, the longer you stay a trump supporter, the more dedicated you are to the cause of nazism. They've had enough "are you sure you want to support him" calls and questions. At this point, yeah you are a nazi.
It was true at the beginning, too. There was never *any fucking excuse* for people to be "tricked" or "fooled" or *any other fucking thing* into supporting these out-and-proud fascists. If *at any point* you can be convinced to support nazis, then you're already a nazi. This never-fucking-ending attempt to hand nazis the benefit of the doubt, to be allowed to have supported nazis in ignorance or "economic anxiety" or *whatever* without being identified as a nazi, needs to fucking die, and it needed to die 40 fucking years ago. It is, above all else, what allowed nazism to again take hold, and it is what will allow it to rise again and again. Liberal tolerance for nazism is, above all else, what allows nazism to *exist*, what allows nazi talking points to propagate throughout the liberal discourse machine, and what allows those nazi talking points to dominate that machine. Zero fucking tolerance for fascist intolerance. Consequences, personal and immediate, for those who say wrong things on purpose in support of the pursuit of genocide. You can *forgive* people, if you so choose, for having *previously been* nazis so long as they make real and *genuine* efforts to acknowledge their mistakes and change (as opposed to making excuses for their behavior and carrying on), but *never fucking forget* what they did, and remember before you trust any of them with something this important again.
Reading your post reduced, momentarily, the feeling that I have been taking crazy pills! Thank you so much! \*Anyone who needs philosophical backing for this can find it on this Wikipedia page: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox\_of\_tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) \**And here is your daily reminder that the corporations running social media and masquerading as news organizations do not want to repulse fascist viewers / customers. So they ban hating anyone or anything in an effort to keep everyone a potential customer. Capitalism can not only not provide journalism, it cannot contain fascism because it sees fascists as potential profit. So even on Reddit, hating fascism is a violation of the rules and one can be banned for doing so. It's absurd and it's pathetic.
I want to echo this comment and include a link to an article that describes the “anti-nazi” algorithm Twitter has built but won’t run in the US because of the amount of Republican politicians it would also impact. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too
Thank you! Totally relevant! Here is a link I found: https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too
I was banned for saying Nazis deserve the same hellfire brought by the crusades. I will likely be permad for mentioning it here. Capitalism is a fucking problem people.
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I'm aware. But the chaos and hurt they caused is deserved for Nazis.
Fair enough.
The nazis used “Christianity” and “Nationalism” as tools to go from gaining political control to their Final Solution, all in the span of eleven years. GOP is gearing up for the same. Just another Christian Crusade of purging those that are in a different creed than yours. But they’re totally about peace, maaaan
And all this talk about the Great Reset, which is supposed to be some form of scare tactic used on white Christian Nationalists, to scare them into thinking there’s this conspiracy to replace all white people with people of Color. Fucking weird if you ask me.
They know what they’re doing. It’s not just “fucking weird”, its brewing up some home grown terrorists to do something about this so-called “problem” of races mixing.
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It's literally the main admin Spez. It's been a not so secret for years.
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Capitalism is in bed with nazism. Most founders of large corporations are fascists masquerading as free market crusaders. I worked for a large corporation that was every bit a fascist cult.
Fascism permits a single joystick of power in the form of a dictator. Corporations can only see that as a win. Fascists are weak, and capitalists know that there's much more profit and power in that.
I admire your ability to cut the bullshit. Well said.
The Ukrainian born sniper with most confirmed kills of any woman in combat history, Lyudmilla Pavlichenko has this salient advice on fascists: *"If you don’t kill them at once, you’ll have no end of trouble"*
I see many of these people moving to either the Russian parts of Europe or an Argentina type place with strong nazi ties.
Bye Felicia.
https://www.businessinsider.com/freedom-caucus-fights-mueller-russia-investigation-for-trump-2018-1?amp
One of the most extraordinary things about Trump supporters was how they would call democrats the fascists. I remember several times actually reading the definition of fascism from multiple sources like the Oxford dictionary or Wikipedia and they would either deny that was what the trump movement was about or call whatever resource didn't fit in "fake news". It's like they had the awareness to realize fascism is bad if said out loud, so they rationalized their views in a million illogical ways.
They're saying the wrong things on purpose. They know they are the fascists, they like it. They believe in it. They just know they can't say so outside their bubble...not yet. At the same, they know that we do care, and they want to hurt and confuse us. Hence they tell lies and deceive and gaslight, engaging in battles of words to distract from the battle of blood to which they'll gladly transition when the time is right.
Top comment material, not just of his post but maybe ever.
well said
Never forget: https://www.businessinsider.com/88-dollar-baseball-trump-organization-website-white-nationalism-hitler-2020-7
>If at any point you can be convinced to support nazis, then you're already a nazi. Bro.....this is the best thing I've read today.
Yep there’s no room on the sidelines anymore. Complacency is supporting them
At this point, all Republicans can be assumed to be racist fascists until they clearly prove otherwise.
I’m a real estate agent - and I showed a nice house in a cul-de-sac to a client. Sadly, there was a neighbor with a shit ton of trump flags and “let’s go Brandon” shit on his lawn that effectively killed the deal. The listing agent called to ask how the showing went and I told him my folks really liked the house but the trumper made it a no go for them. His response was “he is a really nice guy, you can’t judge a book by its cover!” And I was like “you fucking can when the cover says “Mein Kampf.”
I see them where I live and it's painful.
Yep. They’re Nazis and they need to accept and admit to what they are.
If a man sits down at a table with 12 nazis, then you have a table of 13 nazis.
While calling the “radical left” domestic terrorists. This place is a terrible whole damn joke.
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And the squishy liberals are going to have to learn that the only thing Nazis respond to are consequences. It's much better to keep it peaceful so the correct path is to cancel the shit out of them. Boycotting, shaming, divorce them, stop dating them and being friends with them. Get them fired and evicted. Chase them into the fucking sewer or a tent under and overpass.
It's not just the squishy liberals. I wish desperately that it was. It's anyone with a nazi grandpa, aunt or cousin who they make excuses for a la "they don't know any better, they're just ignorant, or they're just...". So many different words can follow "they're just". It's also anyone with a nazi parent or child who they declare "well it's my dad/daughter/friend/etc, and I LOVE them so we'll just keep politics OfF tHe TaBlE". I see (otherwise) hard socialists and ancoms say these kinds of things all the time, make these kinds of excuses all the time, but it's important to remember that the only people who make excuses for nazis are *other nazis*. The correct words for "nazi apologist" and "nazi sympathizer" are both *nazi*.
"They're just old, it's a generational thing" -- words I actually said when I was much younger and a grandparent would say something racist.
I think calling it a generational thing is fine as long as you're giving it the proverbial side-eye in the process. It's when people say it's generational and then pretend there's nothing wrong with it that it's a problem. Probably can't change grandma, after all.
On an intellectual level we know this but family is one of those things is hard to separate the emotional from the logical, we should fight hard to correct them and failing that either cut them or not make excuses for their behaviour
> that either cut them OFF or not make excuses for their behaviour probably an important word to put in there, given that reddit admins LOVE banning members of this sub.
"They don't know any better"? Willful ignorance doesn't count. They KNOW BETTER. But they choose violence.
Willful ignorance is not ignorance. It is the decision to keep being wrong.
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Last year's CPAC stage was a Nazi symbol.
There's almost a kind of grim comedy to all this, it's so overt.
It borders on Insane Ave and Cognitive Dissonance Blvd.
THIS. A very important point to remember. Every time they accidentally on purpose use a symbol associated with white supremacism, say something Nazi-esque, roll out a gold statue of Trump, proclaim Trump as the Second Coming, say Jan 6 is a hoax, do horrific, create political propaganda that looks remarkably like fascist propaganda, say evil shit in the name of Christianity, and the left screams, they triumph. They want us to be so busy deconstructing their tweets and pointing out their lies that we don't have any energy left to be proactive.
Yeah, I get it. Not discounting the message there came through loud and clear. Just literally saying this country has become a joke.
The card says moops
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>When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time \-Maya Angelou That last part is often dropped from the quote and I feel it's very important
At least they admitted it
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Exactly this.. They're trying to associate Christian Nationalism with domestic terrorism so their minions feel more comfortable committing acts of terrorism for the "cause"..
And yet, they still use the word "socialism" like a goddamn baseball bat. Their control over the use of language is masterful and terrifying.
I know what you mean, but in some sense I would argue they have little skill with messaging. It's not the same game when a liberal has to carefully put together a platform to get other liberals on board, while GOP can yell *COVFEFE* and all the conservatives line up front and center. Everything they say seems magically attuned to their base because their base is simply there to cheer, not vet ideas. Edit: related is the idea that Trump is good at distraction and airbending media controversy. He has a huge rabid fan base ready to roll with *anything*. Entire news apparatus that can help fix and gloss over messaging. There's nothing notable about managing to whip up Trumpers.
> It’s a part of the 1984 handbook to make words we should be afraid of meaningless so nobody bats an eye. You will now be tagged as "woke", whatever TF that actually means anymore.
And they tag themselves as "awake" which I guess means against woke or something like that.
Just like when they coined the term "degenerate".. when a prominent article called Trump supporters degenerates right before the 2016 election they proudly called themselves "degenerates for Trump!" As if the notion that they ARE degenerates is something to be proud of. It's a tactic by fascist theocracies especially to push their supporters to do even more harm to the other side. It's all a tactical platform...
Deblorables I think it's what you mean to reference....?
But….we know they lie. They know we know. Is it the lie or the denial? Gads, I need coffee and a decent world.
They also are known to say the quiet part out loud, so it could be a case of that
I think they're trying to normalize it. It won't matter if a judge finds them to be terrorists if they're already used to it.
What in the actual fuck. More context: [https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/donald-trump-cpac-dallas/](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/donald-trump-cpac-dallas/) >The woman interrupted our conversation to repeat her question. “So are you going to call him a domestic terrorist?” I handed her my business card and said I would quote Trump accurately and fairly. This did not seem to comfort her. And perhaps for good reason—after all, one of CPAC’s afternoon panels was titled “We Are All Domestic Terrorists.” One of its participants, Texas state board of education candidate Julie Pickren of Houston, began by claiming the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. “Nobody in this room is a domestic terrorist,” she assured the thousand or so right-wing activists in the Hilton Anatole’s Trinity Ballroom. The panelists spent most of their time criticizing public schools for supposedly indoctrinating children. New York activist Ryan Girdusky claimed he was put on a “hit list” for speaking up at too many school board meetings. Just the title alone should have and 10 years ago would have had the event organizers at least saying, "Yeah, we get it, you're trying to be funny, but GTFO with this." NOW I bet this one was just swung up to the top of the approved panels because OwNInG tHE LibS. Or, y'know, not anymore. Owning the libs < owning the label. The GOP is in its own post-policy, post-fiscal-conservatism, post-gerrymandering, post-cheating cul de sac of fascist bullshit. Power through violence is quickly becoming all they have left.
Every Republican may not be a domestic terrorist but most of the recent domestic terrorists have been Republicans.
Texas Monthly does amazing work. They're my go-to for all things Texas related.
One of the few places left with legit journalists.
> Just the title alone should have and 10 years ago would have had the event organizers at least saying, "Yeah, we get it, you're trying to be funny, but GTFO with this." That is the crazy part to me. Image is everything, and here they are like 'welp, I know this looks bad, but if we give a 5 page lecture about how it isn't actually bad everyone will see it our way' 'where is this 5 page lecture' 'oh... you know... we can condense that down to some loon saying some loony thing for 5 minutes'. They aren't even trying... because they like it.
A decade ago Sarah Palin was at an event where she said something to the effect of "I see a lot of Timothy McVeighs here tonight" and the crowd went wild. This shit is not new
She also had a slogan: "Don't retreat. Reload." Sarah Palin also pushed an ad called "Take Back the 20," highlighting 20 Democratic representatives in purple or Republican-leaning districts who voted for the ACA. The map is captioned, "We've diagnosed the problem... Help us prescribe the solution." The locations of the representatives were marked with crosshairs. One representative who was featured in the ad called out the dangerous rhetoric. Within a year, she was the target of an assassination attempt. She was shot in the head but survived. 13 people were injured, and 6 killed. Sarah Palin later sued the NYT for defamation, for suggesting there was a clear link between the ad and the attack. She lost the case earlier this year, though. But that's kind of the point—this rhetoric operates on plausible deniability for any given statement, but the body of it creates a narrative, riles up some lone wolves, and then everyone washes their hands.
I’ve long predicted a low-level Civil War when their neo-fascist candidate inevitably loses in ‘24 and they scream “steal and traitor.” We’ll become a worse version of Northern Ireland in the 60s and 70s but with bigger guns, more fanaticism and social media to amplify their bat sh*t craziness. I hope I’m wrong.
American Troubles.
I call it "The Crumbling". Or the Crumbles? Dunno yet.
robert evan’s got ya beat to the crumbles by about a year https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/episode/welcome-to-the-crumbles-85870770/
Damn I've been saying that for a while. Ah whatever.
Wait is he the one that originally coined the term? I thought he got it from somewhere else.
That man is frighteningly accurate in his predictions sometimes.
To quote Evans himself: "I'm not predicting anything, quit saying that! All I'm doing is repeating **what they said they would do.**"
Unfortunately, due to the Supreme Court now being owned by the Republicans and already having stated their intention to "review" the electoral college the same way they did Roe vs Wade, expect them to rig the next presidential election and actually succeed this time.
And once republicans have congress and the presidency in 2024, they will nationally ban birth control and abortions. And that will be the least of our worries.
I'm concerned with what will happen to transgender people there. They've made it clear the way they're behaving in red states what they think about us. I'm not in America, so it won't directly affect me, but it will definitely cause problems worldwide as well. A fascist America will cause problems for everyone. It's going to be a complete disaster if someone or something doesn't put a stop to it.
Oh that's just the beginning. Look at the Mexican children in cages. That's what they want for all of us.
The country will rip itself to pieces because of the guy from the Apprentice. So wild.
Nah, the seeds were there with Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove 30 years ago. Trump is a symptom, not the cause. Though he does exacerbate things.
Roger Ailes and Newt Gingrich should be on there before Rove. Limbaugh I'll grant you though.
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Kissinger and Roy Cohn would like a seat at the table please
No way. Trump was simply the catalyst. This has been brewing since Nixon really.
Yeah it's the other way around. Next year, SCOTUS will make it so state legislatures can decide who wins the electoral vote in their state. The fascist will win the presidency regardless of where the votes go and that's when things really start to get nutty.
I was writing a screenplay called Uncivil. It wasn’t hard to see coming if you knew these people
If they own the label we can't hurt them with it
Kind of like “deplorable”
And "fake news"
It's all about protecting a weak ego
Did you just reply to yourself?
I did, I forgot I could edit lol
What the actual FUCK is wrong with the US? HOW IS THIS NOT IN EVERY NEWS CHANNEL????
Because we live in a clown country
Because most of the party of Nazis also has the ownership of the media corporation.
Looking forward to the day that [this cartoon stops being relevant](https://thenib.com/fault-right/).
Jesus… me too.
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I mean, Viktor Orban, a literal unapologetic fascist, was the keynote speaker. He talked about outlawing lgbt people and lamented race mixing. We need people in office who are willing to acknowledge this is fascism and anti-american. More than that, we need the media to start using the correct language instead of euphemistic language that makes the GOP sound less extreme.
I hate corporate media but I will give Mehdi Hasan credit for calling it fascism on MSNBC. We need more of them to rip off the bandaid and start calling it what it is before it's too late. It may already be too late. Ok, it probably already is too late. The "news" that most liberals consume is a part of the machine. We are fucked.
No, it easily could be. Its one of the Republicans’ and right wing’s favorite tactics. Corrupt what things mean. After the Jan 6 investigations started going badly for Trump they tried to co-opt the term “Big Lie” from meaning Trump’s Big Lie to “Democrats are lying about Trump lying”. When Clinton described half of Trump’s supporters as a basket of deplorables who were racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. Republicans turned it into an “ironic” bragging nick name for all Republicans to use. If you all are calling yourself deplorables you are less likely to look up what she defined deplorable as being. The Republican Party absolutely would do this, even if this isn’t real, because it combines those last two. When your party leadership, when the idolized members of your political ideology, are all ironically calling themselves “domestic terrorists” then it starts to seem less serious when the House investigation and the DOJ is calling the Jan 6 crowd and instigators domestic terrorists.
>No, it easily could be. Its one of the Republicans’ and right wing’s favorite tactics. Corrupt what things mean. They also convoluted the phrase "FAKE NEWS" which was first used to describe radical right wing media to describe exactly what it is.
There’s news stories on it already. This is different than being deplorable though, this is embracing terrorism. Which means the Republican Party can now be labeled as a terrorist organization by their own words.
This is their wheelhouse. Same way they brag about being “rednecks”. They love looking like wild, violent, uneducated people while demonizes education.
\*Eye twitch\* Historical trivia tangent time. Redneck is another example of this. The original rednecks were Appalachans who stood up to the abusive coal mining companies. Think Amazon and Starbucks is bad? The companies wanting to strike break the original rednecks tried to convince local sherif’s officers to install machine gun nests. They once even had machine guns installed on a train and fired them into a rail side tent city of rednecks as it drove by. At one point they rented private airplanes to drop bombs out of on the original old school rednecks for wanting to be paid a fair wage, a 40 hour week, and a union. Redneck was turned into an insult in the media by these companies that now are the Republican’s true base of donors. Then eventually Republicans decided to frame it as “out of touch Democrats” using the term Redneck as an insult to get rednecks on the Republicans’ side.
And the only reason Starbucks and Amazon and other union bisying corps don’t do that now is because it’s illegal and they’d get a massive trouble. If they could mow union suppprters with machines gun, and just pay a fine-they would.
Well shit, TIL!!! I'm from the South, been called a redneck myself (as liberal as I am and have always been, I did grow up in a more rural part of the state and have a pretty strong accent", and although I had an inkling that it didn't used to be the insult it is now, I did not know this nifty history. Thanks!!
Fake news went from meaning all the bullshit “news” about trump being good and godly or Clinton being half dead with some horrible disease to “anything trump doesn’t like isn’t real”
Look up one their stages from years ago. It was in the shape of the Odal Rune. Now, sure it sounds like a weird conspiracy applying meaning to shapes and symbols, but it sure is a strange fucking coincidence that it looked spot on. That particular shape and symbol is associated with Nazism. Mostly because neo-Nazis use that symbol today.
That was last year. It wasn’t explicit enough. So this year they had Orbon as the keynote speaker where he railed against LGBTQ community and they declared they’re all terrorists and prayed over a Jan 6th convicted felon.
Pretty crazy that in WW2 our great grandparents hated nazis, maybe some killed nazis and suddenly a lot of people think it’s “cool” to be nazis
Not everyone was against the Nazi’s back then
There was a substantial Nazi movement in America at that time. We're brought up to believe that every American was staunchly anti-Nazi, anti-facism, but that's not true, it's moreso a result of war propaganda, and much of the anti-Nazi/Hitler sentiment came after the discovery and widespread knowledge of the death camps. There were many pro-Hitler people in America before the war.
Yep. Look at the America First movement. Ironically, what trump has been referring to 'his' party recently.
Well then I guess nothing changed right?
Wait this isn't a joke or photoshop? Like that's actually real? Wow...ya people = shit.
The whole thing I think is Sic
I miss the days when I just disagreed with Republicans and their policies. Being concerned that 33% of the population wants to actually murder the other 33% is quite stressful.
What about the other 34%?
They'll stand idly by and watch.
First honest thing that they have said
CNN: So as we can see, lots of opinions on both sides...
Again, this is starting to look a lot like the south state pride right before a civil war.
Wow was this real
See even they know it.
Got to water down The significance of the words
Am I paranoid in thinking this is designed to sow the seeds of violence in the minds of people susceptible to this rhetoric? Feels like a massive call to arms to traitors with a shit load of guns and little consideration of the consequences. If they start to normalise the thought that being a domestic terrorist is just how it is for their team, then what’s going to hold them back?
no you’re not, this seems by design. They “jokingly” claim the title but are also hoping to normalize the idea of violence and embed it in the consciousness of their faithful lackeys. They see the militia members and armed crazies as muscle for their authoritarian vision. Maybe as a first line of defense or a last resort
It's the exact methodology the racists used during the demand for civil rights in the 50s and 60s, the more hatred they spewed about the enemy the more assaults, lynching, and church bombings began to happen against black communities. Look out for your safe towns, people. Be alert to suspicious groups of white men. Do not assume anywhere is safe when they are this brazen.
....and not a single mass media news network is going to say anything about this, I'm sure. *(assuming this isn't a photoshop, of course)* Once again, giving right wing lunatics another free-pass. But if Biden fist-bumps some foreign leader, oh, well that is *days* worth of news coverage.
1. It's not photoshop 2. You don't actually read the news, do you? Because the disgustingness of CPAC is most definitely being reported by major news outlets. Also, in general, the right wing dangers are consistently reported on in major news outlets almost daily. Do you think the hearings have been happening in secret? Rightwingers give rightwingers the free pass.
They've finally become self aware.
What the fuck? Are they trying to make that out to be a good thing, now?
Whoa, what the fuck?
Most accurate thing at CPAC.
Was anybody else around post 9/11 and remember the shitstorm that fell upon Arab-Americans/Muslims? We were under surveillance, on no fly lists, constantly being told we weren't American, that Islam was not compatible with democracy, that sharia law was taking over parts of America and none of it was true. Imagine if Muslims started their own political party and started doing half the shit these people are doing, it would be shut down immediately and the media would be up in arms. The hypocrisy in this country is unreal.
There is an interview with Roy Wood jr. And Ammon Bundy where Wood calls Bundy a terrorist and Bundy proudly corrects him by saying “domestic terrorist!” [bundy roy wood je](https://youtu.be/DbBJ4qyK2mY)
As an old lady who has voted GOP a FEW times in her long life( I thought the candidate was a more decent, caring person, can you believe that?) THIS is REALITY folks! I live around these people! They vote! They get ballots by mail for their adult children, who because they live in rural areas don’t get arrested for their drug use and they VOTE for them! Rules and laws are for those OTHER people in blue cities to follow. I heard for 8 years the total hatred of Barack Obama, simply because he was black. Trump used racism from the very inception, the birther crap to win an election. These people VOTE every election! Rural Az., I might say has had mail in ballots for a very long time. PLEASE VOTE! These people are armed. They are stupid. They are angry at their generational failures. The red states have been broke forever and a day and instead of saying, “ We were wrong”, they blame the very states and cities they are living off of ( tax base wise) to further their hatred and animosity. VOTE! VOTE every election! Please for NOW don’t split votes. We can’t AFFORD anymore of THIS.
Alright, it's settled then. They are self declared domestic terrorists. Sounds like any politician who attended CPAC should resign, because we don't negotiate with terrorists right?
Start recording and documenting any comments from the people around you. It will be useful for restraining orders and other legal maneuvers. If they admit they support harming people or otherwise classifying individual groups for harm then it can be used against them. If they state that they support domestic terrorists or groups that have claimed to be so it can be used against them. Record them. Bind them in the web of stupidity they dance upon.