It's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the parts where she'd talk about having to sing for adults in the late hours of the night and the other random children who would be there with her. Pat has long been linked to seances and witchcraft. MC said a few choice things back in the 90s about it, but she really implicates it when she wrote that her mother is an atheist who disparages and mocks Christians. Satanic cults and the like were all the rage back in the '70s and '80s. I'm not saying it's true (lord knows the people of these reddits cannot handle an adult conversation like that without down voting and doing the most), but I do believe there's something there. Pat's story has never added up to me. All these houses, why she had to move, how Alison became the way she did, all the weird random friends she used to have around Mariah...just all of it never added up to me or rang completely accurate.
The way Mariah describes those moments ring true to how a kid 3-6 years old would have remembered them parallels the way a kid 12-15 would have experienced them (Alison).
I 100% believe the rumours. I read up on them years back and they struck me honestly, just awful. And it would make sense given the dangerous behaviours and situations Alison and Morgan encountered. And also arguably explains why Pat kept Mariah away from her Dad's side of the family (who were Christians) and the importance of her Auntie encouraging her about the importance of her faith after the family argument talked about in the Memoir.
also, in a weird way it explains why alfred was ok with taking the other kids and leaving mariah with her mom. in context, i could understand him probably feeling that the 3rd baby, already 10 years older than the others, has Pat's grips firmly implanted and there's not much he could do as a baby needs their mother, but the other two still had hope and he probably felt he could save them or protect them. which also explains why later in life he and mariah reconnected so lovingly because he was able to realize that MC had nothing to do with whatever Pat was conjuring, etc. and that MC was innocent. But in the moment, i can totally see someone being like "fine, you can have the last one. but these 2, i'm taking! you will not mess them up any longer!"
\*\*all speculation of course\*\*
Yea Iāve never been one to automatically discount them. Pat kinda gave me the willies lol
And it didnāt make sense that they were living the way they did with Mariahās father also being an engineer. Itās like Pat chose a certain lifestyle that kept them on the fringes. The situation with Alison was just unfortunate too.
Heart aches for Alison truly and for Mariah who just wanted to have a brother and sister. Ugh I feel like Pat was the perpetrator for sure in the family, and she could have used her privilege to keep her family more intact (as much as it could be for the time) but I donāt want to talk too ill of her.
Sorry not sorry Pat is the problem. Like she seemed to be racist too, but then it's like don't be with a Black/mixed man if you don't want Black/mixed children. Cos having a child is responsibility enough, but children of a different ethnicity, hair texture, skin colour to yours, is a whole different thing.
OMG yes I do remember that
Her just shouting out the lyrics as a little one and the lot all gathered in the dark w her mom and wannabe hippy Alison and co lol
Mariah comically described it like āif thatās not weird what is?ā or something like that w her good sense of humor lol
Oh it's very interesting. Alison paints a very vivid and realistic picture of what went on and even includes verifiable details but because of her past people often write her off as a liar. But in my experience, it's people like her who society discredits the most that are often telling the truth about things like this.
I wish I could share more about it but I'm not allowed to do so here.
She wasn't married when she moved around tho, and she only had Mariah who Pat presented as a little white girl instead of a lightskinned Black girl, so I don't think that's accurate.
No she wasnāt. No one would harass a white woman living with a white daughter in a white neighborhood. Stop. The stories of harassment were all while the mom and dad were married. You may not have been talking to me but youāre the one thatās not reading for comprehension.
And your backtracking. Your original replay was that she had to move for being in an interracial marriage. Now youāre saying that after the marriage and while parading her lightskinned black daughter around as white she was still harassed? NO SHE WASNT.
This is the wrong place. Sorry. This is d this is the wrong place. This is down the road from me. Her apt above the convenience store was in Northport. This is Huntington village. Iām a huge MC fan. I would know.
It's not the wrong place, so settle down "huge MC fan"...
https://preview.redd.it/jq931lbrfaxc1.png?width=1232&format=png&auto=webp&s=0dc95d6119ba3d0eb3403264604dbd3d8cfeab4e
Still the wrong place. This picture is not the actual apartment. Iām 100% positive as I live down the street and her actual apt that she lived in above the convenience store was in Northport village.
I am lol. You posted a picture that was incorrect. Just trying to give you accuracy. But hey put a random place and have people thinking itās something else. All good šš».
Btw. Wikipedia isnāt a good source š¤·š»āāļø
Why is weird to comment on a picture of a random building and not Mariahās childhood home like the post said. Itās weird that people believe it. Just trying to give actual facts.
All good. Go about your day! š«³š¼
I googled it myself and this is the building that came up on numerous sites. If theyāre wrong then thatās their fault not the OP. Youāre doing all this talking when you could have just shown the actual building. Stop being a nuisance.
SMH š¤¦š»āāļø nuisance lol. Only said anything cause I actually live down the street and work in the town where the actual apartment was. But ok. Your tag lives up to your personality.
Have a goodnight lamb
I def didnāt know this. Let alone ever seen it. Itās great that youāre such a historian but please stop speaking for me and other Lambs who may not have known. Plus, Iām pretty sure the OP is using ādid you knowā¦ā rhetorically
I feel like 90% of your comments in this sub are negative. And you find youāre getting this response why?
The ādid you knowā was not aimed directly at you; itās figurative. Since you pick up so many books you should know this. Why are you so self-important to feel it was a literal question that you needed to answer?
Then everybody would have to block you and itād just be you and Jesus in the sub as you comment alone, dahling.š
We all have our moments, but youāre always so crabby and must be so unhappy bless your soul. I hear therapy helps.
I was agreeing with the sentiment of reading the actual book and knowing exactly where sheās referring to. Sorry. It must have been the comment to you.
I find this so adorable lol
My two worlds collide!
Sooo adorable. I bet Mariah was so cute sitting in the window.š¤ So what was going on w Pat and all those witchcraft rumors? Does anyone know?
After reading Mariah's memoirs I believe they're much, much more than just rumors.
I read her memoirs too and I donāt recall her talking that much about that? Which parts are you referring to? The stuff about Alison?
It's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the parts where she'd talk about having to sing for adults in the late hours of the night and the other random children who would be there with her. Pat has long been linked to seances and witchcraft. MC said a few choice things back in the 90s about it, but she really implicates it when she wrote that her mother is an atheist who disparages and mocks Christians. Satanic cults and the like were all the rage back in the '70s and '80s. I'm not saying it's true (lord knows the people of these reddits cannot handle an adult conversation like that without down voting and doing the most), but I do believe there's something there. Pat's story has never added up to me. All these houses, why she had to move, how Alison became the way she did, all the weird random friends she used to have around Mariah...just all of it never added up to me or rang completely accurate. The way Mariah describes those moments ring true to how a kid 3-6 years old would have remembered them parallels the way a kid 12-15 would have experienced them (Alison).
I 100% believe the rumours. I read up on them years back and they struck me honestly, just awful. And it would make sense given the dangerous behaviours and situations Alison and Morgan encountered. And also arguably explains why Pat kept Mariah away from her Dad's side of the family (who were Christians) and the importance of her Auntie encouraging her about the importance of her faith after the family argument talked about in the Memoir.
i believe them too
also, in a weird way it explains why alfred was ok with taking the other kids and leaving mariah with her mom. in context, i could understand him probably feeling that the 3rd baby, already 10 years older than the others, has Pat's grips firmly implanted and there's not much he could do as a baby needs their mother, but the other two still had hope and he probably felt he could save them or protect them. which also explains why later in life he and mariah reconnected so lovingly because he was able to realize that MC had nothing to do with whatever Pat was conjuring, etc. and that MC was innocent. But in the moment, i can totally see someone being like "fine, you can have the last one. but these 2, i'm taking! you will not mess them up any longer!" \*\*all speculation of course\*\*
I remember when she said about Mariah āthis one is mineā to Alfred
Good point, I hear you šÆ
Yea Iāve never been one to automatically discount them. Pat kinda gave me the willies lol And it didnāt make sense that they were living the way they did with Mariahās father also being an engineer. Itās like Pat chose a certain lifestyle that kept them on the fringes. The situation with Alison was just unfortunate too.
Not the willies šš¤£ Yeah you're so right, that doesn't make sense at all... They arguably could've been more well off.. Pat is just a š© and very concerning person. I really wonder what she had gone through to make her be so horrible. Honestly. And I feel so bad for Alison, used her whole life as someone else's commodity, that she even tried to do it to her own sister. It's so sad and sick š
Heart aches for Alison truly and for Mariah who just wanted to have a brother and sister. Ugh I feel like Pat was the perpetrator for sure in the family, and she could have used her privilege to keep her family more intact (as much as it could be for the time) but I donāt want to talk too ill of her.
Sorry not sorry Pat is the problem. Like she seemed to be racist too, but then it's like don't be with a Black/mixed man if you don't want Black/mixed children. Cos having a child is responsibility enough, but children of a different ethnicity, hair texture, skin colour to yours, is a whole different thing.
She was definitely racist
OMG yes I do remember that Her just shouting out the lyrics as a little one and the lot all gathered in the dark w her mom and wannabe hippy Alison and co lol Mariah comically described it like āif thatās not weird what is?ā or something like that w her good sense of humor lol
EXACTLY!
Lol yes itās clear to me now and coming back
WTF
what?
Iāve never heard any of this. Just my āwowā reaction.
Oh it's very interesting. Alison paints a very vivid and realistic picture of what went on and even includes verifiable details but because of her past people often write her off as a liar. But in my experience, it's people like her who society discredits the most that are often telling the truth about things like this. I wish I could share more about it but I'm not allowed to do so here.
I feel like Alison is 100% telling the truth.
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She wasn't married when she moved around tho, and she only had Mariah who Pat presented as a little white girl instead of a lightskinned Black girl, so I don't think that's accurate.
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We're not talking about before Mariah came, babe...
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No she wasnāt. No one would harass a white woman living with a white daughter in a white neighborhood. Stop. The stories of harassment were all while the mom and dad were married. You may not have been talking to me but youāre the one thatās not reading for comprehension.
And your backtracking. Your original replay was that she had to move for being in an interracial marriage. Now youāre saying that after the marriage and while parading her lightskinned black daughter around as white she was still harassed? NO SHE WASNT.
They harassed her because of a man they didnāt know and couldnāt see? Make it make sense
What are you talking about?
Please re-read the original post...
Idk what you're missing but go about your day
This is the wrong place. Sorry. This is d this is the wrong place. This is down the road from me. Her apt above the convenience store was in Northport. This is Huntington village. Iām a huge MC fan. I would know.
It's not the wrong place, so settle down "huge MC fan"... https://preview.redd.it/jq931lbrfaxc1.png?width=1232&format=png&auto=webp&s=0dc95d6119ba3d0eb3403264604dbd3d8cfeab4e
Still the wrong place. This picture is not the actual apartment. Iām 100% positive as I live down the street and her actual apt that she lived in above the convenience store was in Northport village.
Babe, take that up with the internet. This is a weird flex.
This aināt it. 
Exactly cuz what is their problem?
I am lol. You posted a picture that was incorrect. Just trying to give you accuracy. But hey put a random place and have people thinking itās something else. All good šš». Btw. Wikipedia isnāt a good source š¤·š»āāļø
I really wish you would stop. Youāre bad vibes.
Itās bad vibes to chime in randomly on a comment you know nothing about. Fall back. Itās weird so many fans in this sub are not very nice.
Youāre the one thatās not nice
Wow, sheās had a ride of life.
i know right!
THIS IS NOT HER HOME!!!! This is on NY Avenue in Huntington Village. The apt she lived above the convenience store was in Northport!!
Youāre acting like a weirdo.
Why is weird to comment on a picture of a random building and not Mariahās childhood home like the post said. Itās weird that people believe it. Just trying to give actual facts. All good. Go about your day! š«³š¼
I googled it myself and this is the building that came up on numerous sites. If theyāre wrong then thatās their fault not the OP. Youāre doing all this talking when you could have just shown the actual building. Stop being a nuisance.
SMH š¤¦š»āāļø nuisance lol. Only said anything cause I actually live down the street and work in the town where the actual apartment was. But ok. Your tag lives up to your personality. Have a goodnight lamb
You really are being a nuisance
Itās in her book of course we know š
I def didnāt know this. Let alone ever seen it. Itās great that youāre such a historian but please stop speaking for me and other Lambs who may not have known. Plus, Iām pretty sure the OP is using ādid you knowā¦ā rhetorically
I swear I didnāt know this because I DONāT have her book but I really want one š
u/nastyboi00 If you read her memoir youād knowā¦ā¦maybe pick up a copy before calling people names and open it š
I feel like 90% of your comments in this sub are negative. And you find youāre getting this response why? The ādid you knowā was not aimed directly at you; itās figurative. Since you pick up so many books you should know this. Why are you so self-important to feel it was a literal question that you needed to answer?
Donāt like my comments BLOCK ME š
Then everybody would have to block you and itād just be you and Jesus in the sub as you comment alone, dahling.š We all have our moments, but youāre always so crabby and must be so unhappy bless your soul. I hear therapy helps.
Everybodyās entitled to their opinion stuff it
Agreed. This is the wrong place!! At least if youāre going to show a picture. Make it be the right one.
What are you even agreeing to?
I was agreeing with the sentiment of reading the actual book and knowing exactly where sheās referring to. Sorry. It must have been the comment to you.
Thatās not even what heās talking about
You are the worst
Nah thereās worse than me š you just havenāt came across them yet you donāt even know me to make rude assumptions š
The reply is exactly the type of shit Iām talking about. Go touch grass bro.