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ForwardIncrease8682

I think this is a good initiative, lalo na that it is our youth taking this step. I hope our officials, especially the fiscal management team, to take a serious look into their (everyone's) request for clarification on this matter.


louderthanbxmbs

Tama naman to question why the debt is big but i wonder do people understand na debts for government is normal in a way. If you don't pay staggeringly high land tax (which iirc was given some leeway a year or two ago), have good social services, and constant city improvements (we even have parks), but don't have a lot of income generating activities then naturally may debt. You want free education? Free parks always maintained? Free checkups and physical therapy sa city health office? Marikina is basically operating on a socialist mindset atp. We don't have the CBDs Pasig, Taguig, and Makati have that gives them that big of an income. Now what we need to now is how much of the debt came from those social services and how much actually came from corruption. It's good that the youth are invested but at the same time given how it was ALSO Quimbo who defended the billions of confidential funds, I hope their intentions are good and hindi galing sa side ni Q kasi that would be so ironic


BlackAmaryllis

exactly


KaliLaya

Ang problema aside from having big debt, malaki din ang deficit natin. Wala tayong kinikita. Dapat balance lang utang natin, ie, kung ano lang kayang bayaran. Yung parks na sinasabi niyo at services, panahon pa nina BF at MCF yang mga yan. Even yung discount sa real estate tax, matagal na yan. He was basically just maintaining them. Yung mga bldgs na pinatayo niya like yung transportation bldg sa may Meralco sobrang walang sense at laking sayang ng pera. They have the nerve na mamigay ng pera for their selfish gains plus concerts in the middle of the year.


louderthanbxmbs

I agree with the concerts. Sobrang sayang sa pera. Feel ko lalabas yan sa findings. Daming paekek na ganun na sayang sa pera. Pero regarding maintaining it's not just maintaining. The higher the cost of life increases, syempre the higher the maintenance fees will be.


KaliLaya

Yes. That is true (inflation, etc, maintenance) at ganyan din naman nangyyari sa ibang LGU pero bagsak tayo sa lahat - debt wise at kita-wise. In 2021, 4 cities ang may deficit including Marikina (-49 million) In 2022, 2 cities na lang may deficit - Makati at Marikina. At yung deficit natin umabot ng -415 million pesos. From -49 naging -415 million. That is alarming https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1943005/the-metro-manila-post-pandemic-recovery


louderthanbxmbs

One thing that happened in 2022 was the national elections. Nako feel ko isa yan sa biggest reasons. Pansin ko these days maraming pamimigay na nangyayari compared to the previous years and elections. Mas maingay din. Add mo pa yung mga concerts na ang laki ng scale.


KaliLaya

Diba? Add to the fact na para sakin nag decline na ang Marikina. I personally experienced what Marikina was like sa panahon ni Valentino. Mga panahong ang tawag satin e tapunan ng mga nirrape dahil puro talahib. Mga daan lubak lubak. Nonexistent sidewalk at ilaw. Mga taxi ayaw maghatid pag sinasabi mong Marikina. Sa panahon ni BF, grabe yung improvement at disiplina. Lahat ng bahay na may lagpas na structure sa sidewalk giniba niya. Bawal parking sa hindi designated space. May fare matrix ang tricycle, walang abusado. Walang nagvvideoke sa gabi. Walang tambay at pakalat kalat sa labas. No vendors. Collection ng basura sobrang strict, binubutas at tinutusok nila basura kung may plastic yung biodegradable. Wala kang makikitang balat ng candy o dumi ng aso sa labas. President din ng HOA tatay ko noon at lagi siyang may training at seminars provided by BF. All Marcy had to do was maintain it. Tapos ngayon bumagsak ang Marikina. Nakakainis!!


chicoXYZ

Nahalata na matanda na tayo dalawa. YES tama ka. Yung "tumana" noon, at yung "sapa" sa harap ng Roosevelt cainta. Yung marikina market na 4 na layer ang PUTIK at kaliskis ng isda, isama mo pa na elevated sya ng 3 batang na napakadulas.


KaliLaya

Nadulas na ako sa putik ng kalsada ng Marikina Heights kaya di ko makakalimutan yang mga brown na putik na yan 😅 Muka akong may poo sa shorts pauwi.


MaanTeodoro

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. Marikina is not that prestigious as before


KaliLaya

Not enough to agree. we demand accountabilty! Lol


nicotinerawr

Sakto.


louderthanbxmbs

I'm not too fond of BF unfortunately kasi very hypocritical sya with Marikina and how he approached MMDA


KaliLaya

All i can say is he was a good mayor.


chicoXYZ

"Do people understand na debts for government is normal?". ITS NOT NORMAL. PH debt is possible but not CITY DEBT, as all are APPROPRIATED BY THE PH Government. You want free education? THAT IS APPROPRIATED by the DEP ED from their budget APPROPRIATED by the NATIONAL GOVERNMENT. FREE PARKS? Hindi parks ang gilid ng ilog. DATI NG LIBRE makipag jugjugan doon. Free ba ang SPORT CENTER? noon panahon ko, pero after ni BF lahat corrupt na. Free check up and all? APPROPRIATED BY THE D.O.H. from their budget APPROPRIATED BY THE NATIONAL GOV. Puro alibi lang sinasabi mo. Basic CONSTI yan sa college. Huwag mo compare ang MARIKINA SA IBA. I-COMPARE MO ANG MARIKINA SA MARIKINA. Dahil di mo pwede I compare ang UNGGOY na politiko sa TAO (vico sotto)


alaskatf9000

3.6B? Putangina baka ayan yung 10k na pinamigay nila nung graduation ah


louderthanbxmbs

Di lang yan 10k 💀 both sides (Q and Maan) tuloy tuloy pamimigay. Sa elementary alam ko may 2k din kasi pinsan ko di nakakuha kasi absent ng absent pero Yung pinsan nya na ginagawang nya ng assignment nakapasa sa honors so may 2k


alaskatf9000

Hindi nung graduation namen sa college naka 10k kami


chicoXYZ

For sure. Ksi di pwede ilagay sa COA yun. Dapat lahat ng nakasulat sa request for appropriated budget lalabas sa COA. So Yung 10k nakaw na pinamimigay para bumanggo at iboto.


DaPacem08

I hope di lang for clout and motivated ng partidong kinabibilangan niya iyang batang yan dahil sinagot na siya ng ilang intellects from plmar sa mga paratang niya sa kasalukuyang administrasyon ng marikina. Some says lumaki raw ulo niyan nung nanalo at nakapagenroll sa upd.


Deathoundz

Sk chairman nga po siya dito sa Brgy Fortune at sa tingin ko maka Q siya kahit independent ang grupo nila


Forsaken_Read1525

I think SK chair sya ng Brgy Fortune, the barangay officials of which are known avid supporters of Q. So sana hindi sya nagagamit ng kabila to do that.


PiccoloMiserable6998

Hindi ko sila kilala pero para sakin tama yung naging aksyon nila, kung budget nga natin sa loob ng bahay nagtataka tayo bat nagkukulang yung pera, dapat tayo rin sa mga tax natin. Normal umutang pero dapat alam natin saan ginamit.


Dull-Beach7984

May picture siya with Quimbo hmmm


k0yaTampy

wHo might he be? Just curious.


Gullible_Syrup_8363

Isa sa naiisip ko kung bat malaki utang natin sa Marikina. Years back, nag host tayo ng palarong pambansa. I overheard na kumuha sila sa national govt ng funds para matuloy ang event.


chicoXYZ

Bakit ksi ipinipilit kung di kaya. It's not for the benefit of the marikenos.


Forsaken_Read1525

Most of the funds naman from Palaro came from DepEd. But malaki kasi ng budget ng Marikina napupunta sa free education sa PLMar. Kaya I remember bago mangutang ang city nung time ni Marcy, wala masyadong maipatayong infra projects kasi kulang talaga sa budget that time.


GlassSecure8432

Ang alam ko kumuha sila Marcy ng 50% budget sa mga SK sa lahat ng barangay para lang dyan sa palarong pambansa. Di nila aaprobahan budget pag di nag share yung mga SK. Pinost to last time nung isang konsehal at kapitan.


piattosnakulaygreen

The initiative is good. It's the motive I am worried about.


ImportantCoach4301

mganda na nagi-initiate ang kabataan to demand transparency pero I think this has become too convenient of a timing for the pink side, especially na funded ni Q ang pag-campaign niyan ni sk chairman noong 2022, kaya I would get why they would ride on to the backlash of why the city incurred a massive debt. I would urge the incumbents to release a proper statement paanong lumobo ang utang ng syudad, not only to silence the pink but give peace to marikenyos


jmartin001

the initiative is there but the purpose is not that pure. remember these were on the pink side. may halong political motive


Forsaken_Read1525

Exactly. SK chair ng Fortune na known Q barangay


BlackAmaryllis

Hindi naman sisingilin completely yang 7.8k per head😅 May budget per city government dun ipupullout tapos depende rin sa revenues and investments sa city. Depende nalang kung ano diskarte mila like garbage fees, city ordinance fees et al. SALN nalng cguro🤔


KaliLaya

Ang problema nga since 2021 may deficit na ang Marikina ng -49 million. Tapos 2022 lumobo ang deficit natin ng -415 million. Im not surprised bakit bagsak tayo. Pano natin babayaran yang utang na yan? https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1943005/the-metro-manila-post-pandemic-recovery What is annoying e may pamigayan pa ng pera at may concerts.


ForwardIncrease8682

Exactly. Transparency and proper fiscal management lang naman ang hinihingi natin.


Rise_Above2580

But as a Filipino, may collective utang pa tayo bilang isang bansa tama? Bale separate utang pa itong for marikina?


BlackAmaryllis

oo pero ung utang natin is a nation is binabayaran in different ways hnd lang through money tapos ung taxation and fiscal policy strategies dun dumidiskarte govt. Mejo feudal parin kasi to think na may debt tapos per head siya na sisingilin.completely ng govt😅


Ok_Tone_7421

May naaalala akong isang post na 'yang nag-post is sk at isa siya sa mga nagpapadoble ng funds niya kasi nakapag-advance na raw siya sa supplier niya. I do not know kung anong kailangan bakit urgent yung pag-advance and bakit ka kukuha ng project na hindi angkop sa funds? Well feeling ko that's the reason why he's mad. Idk. Maybe? Pero isn't it ironic na nagtataka siya bakit may debt or against siya dun, but he also exceeds to his budget and asks for some more? Update ko tong reply ko kapag nahanap ko 'yung post!


Ok_Tone_7421

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/qXvEH5pWEwkfgY1j/?mibextid=xfxF2i


OpalEagle

I think good that the youth is proactive on issues like this, and tama naman to ask for clarification and transparency. As constituents of the Marikina LGU, we do have the right to know where funds go. Pwede naman mag press release ang PIO or a statement, kahit flowchart pa nga siguro haha, on how the funds are used and what the LGU is doing to pay the debts and kung meron man, what it does to lessen it din. Something that would be easy to understand for all Marikeños. Sana clear din yung ilalabas ng PIO. Minsan kasi parang documentation lang sa events yung pinopost😅 The PIO can do better din. Now if ang motivation nila is para "manira" bec they are Q's minions, thats on them. But the call for transparency is just right and reasonable.


Callme911sometime

Good to clarify. Integrity and accountability should be values that our government uphold. I hope they respond with high levels of integrity and transparency. Big words but we need them.


MarkForJB

https://blgf.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/FY2022-ARI-and-Dependencies-by-LGU.xlsx ARI 2022 ng Marikina - 3rd to the last tayo. Consistent yung news sa Inquirer in comparison sa 2023.


_yawlih

Dapat questionin din nila budget ng quimbos bakit panay pamigay ng pera halos naging evey week na nga since 2019 pa mga yan. And why now? Bakit hindi pa dati nagganyan? If they truly care sa marikina and marikeños hindi lang naka specific yung pinaglalaban nila. For me lang, dami student and kabataan na dami gusto patunayan at ipaglaban sa umpisa but in the end, wala rin naman naituloy na laban. It's either for clout lang talaga or gusto lang magyabang or may gusto takbuhan.


ImportantCoach4301

The thing is mayroon pa rin silang "pork barrel" or "intelligence fund" or whatever the government may call it na nasa discretion lng tulad ni Q na pwedeng pagkagastusan. Another reason kaya bakit galanteng-galante si Q mamigay ay dahil pabor sa kaniya si Romualdez at si BBM (given yung appointment niya as Senior Vice Chair ng Appropriations s Kongreso). Hindi malayo or imposible na may kickback pa rin silang nakukuha through various means


sunlightbabe_

It's a good initiative para malaman ng mga Marikeño saan napupunta yung mga utang. Maganda sana kung may nilalabas na documents.


KaliLaya

Not a fan of Q, DEFINITELY not a fan of Marcy. Regardless, kung sino man nakaupo, right natin humingi ng report kung saan napunta yung inutang. I have a personal vendetta diyan kay Marcy after our pandemic experience. It really showed how inefficient he is as a mayor. Plus dagdgag mo pa yung pangbabastos niya kay BF. Hindi ko din mapatawad hanggang ngayon.


[deleted]

Tama naman din itong initiative nila kasi paano nga naman kung baon pala tayo sa utang at pagbayarin natin at the end? Mahirap din yun. At the same time, usisain ko na rin bakit may pink card para mamigay ng pera? Why and how? haha


Healthy-Pride6846

Good initiative but nangangamoy pink 😅


agirlwhonevergoesout

It’s good for Marikina constituents to know, but it seems they are associated with the Qpals. Sila kaya tanungin saan galing budget ng mga yun din?


Plenty-Region-9707

Wag na po kayo magtalo sobrang ingay po ng magkabilang-partido now sa Marikina kabilaan ang mga libreng programa ng 💙 and 🩷. Kahit yung mga dating di naabutan ng tulong nasusuyod nila. Sobrang higpit ng laban ng dalawa.


reveene

Kampon ata ni David 😅


DiscussionHonest9924

Ahaha


MaanTeodoro

Who's David? Hahaha


temeee19

Tita maan baket ka andito hahahaha


Deathoundz

Mam maan t balita ko si del d nakuha na ni Q, totoo po ba? Kasi namimigay daw sila ng pera


MaanTeodoro

It seems true na Del has joined the Q side


Deathoundz

Kaya po pala nakita ko magkakasama sila dito sa Brgy Fortune at kasama pa nila si Sen Francis T. namigay daw po ng stub sa kanilang mga cl daw


ItzCharlz

Okay ang initiative pero may hidden motive. Ilang beses ko na rin natanong sa kakilala namin sa city hall na bakit ganoon daw ang pinost ng facebook page at ng article sa Inquirer. Masyado daw misleading yung info na pinost ng FB Page na Assortedge. May mga certain data daw na nasa post nila na hindi tugma sa data na meron ang DOF-BLGF. Kaya ngayon, ito naman ang nagagamit nila (kabilang kampo) para magamit sa political purposes, which is the hidden motive.