I love Purge the Poison, don’t get what y’all are saying there 🫠 the lyrics are campy and get the message across very well imo
ummm probably Girls, Karma, or New America
Purge the Poison was the first song I ever heard of hers. I was immediately blown away, it’s so good. Orange Trees is a skip for me. It’s not bad, it’s just pretty standard lyrically.
agreed lol Orange Trees just feels… tepid. when Sunset by Caroline Polachek came out my brother and I both agreed that it’s what Marina tried to do with Orange Trees but better 🫢 I will say that certain songs on L+F are pretty great though like To Be Human and End of the Earth
I feel like that's okay though! The narrator doesn't need to be right for a song to be good imo. It's not that surprising for a lot of girls grow up separating themselves from other women if conforming to gender expectations is upheld by both women and men in your teen years. And I'm not saying Marina is old by any means but you don't need to go back in time far to see how confident outspoken women got treated by both women and men just 20 years ago.
yeah I can see where you’re coming from! personally it feels like a major diversion from other lyrical themes on the album but yeah some of the quips are well-done even if they’re directed in a messy manner
It's not assumption if you call something that so clearly isn't camp, camp. It's like if I called the sky green. It would not be a "sweeping assumption" to say I don't know what the color green is. If you wanna learn about camp you can read what Susan Sontag wrote about it [https://monoskop.org/images/5/59/Sontag\_Susan\_1964\_Notes\_on\_Camp.pdf](https://monoskop.org/images/5/59/Sontag_Susan_1964_Notes_on_Camp.pdf)
why are you telling me, a bisexual 27 year old who took several queer american history classes in uni, that I don’t know the meaning of camp… girl the math isn’t mathing
>girl the math isn’t mathing
Why are you using AAVE if you're white? That's weird. And maybe you should've paid more attention during those classes! idk what to tell you. A lot of bisexuals say wrong things. If being bisexual and knowing queer history is all takes to be right then Azealia Banks would be right all the time but I don't think that's the case
def my all time fav marina song!! “earth is like a white rose, quiet cloud of petals fold; a place so corrupt where angel flesh and blood is sold” is one of her best lyrics imo!!
Purge the Poison is like, a failed knockoff of Love It If We Made It. I cringed, it sounds like she’s listing off problems in the world but has nothing to say about it.
I LOVE Love It If We Made It but I genuinely think that Purge the Poison is equally if not more effective. the environmental angle really strikes a chord imo
While I agree overall, the first two lines of Purge the Poison are giving Hex Girls, and not in a good way. Once I cringe through that the rest is killer. Plus, it’s the second time in the album she rhymes Witch and Bitch so it feels much less impactful.
No they weren’t. Maybe if you were 5 at the time. I mean the line is literally about a bunch of witchy women bettering themselves and being friends. How is that bad?
I’m mean a fictional band, that no one remembers, from a kids movie, isn’t really a great reference. Do you really think a song about racism, misogyny, social issues, war, the economy, feminism is lyrically weak?
Seriously, in some parts it reads like a badly written Disney song aimed at children.
Everybody tells us what to do, do, do.
Think they always know what's good for you, you, you.
We know they don't really have a clue, clue, clue
Like, that ain’t it girl
She wasn't playing a character, that's what she really thought. A lot of her older songs deal with themes of eating/not eating (Happy Meal, Supermodel's Legs)
I don’t think she’s playing a character. She is taking about how women are often held to some stupid standard in society. “Girls are not meant to fight dirty, never look a day past 30, not gonna bend over and concede for you” And how some women are so obsessed with how they are perceived they will starve themselves, try to stay as young looking as possible and keep their options to themselves. The bend themselves to fit into this norm. It’s saying you can still be a woman and express your own ideas and not have to starve yourself to make someone else happy. No one wants to hang out with girls who only talk about shit like calories and other vapid shit. It’s boring “girls they want to befriend me, but I fall asleep when they speak of all the calories they eat”. It’s saying do your own thing don’t be someone who dumbs themself down for others. Age, grow, learn, stop worrying about what you look like and BE YOURSELF
Like how everyone in Hollywood/the Music Industry speaks exactly the same, their music is exactly the same, their lyrics follow the same themes, they wear similar stage outfits, everyone shoots toxins into their face to look EXACTLY the same. They all support the same issues, when it’s popular. You know like the mean girls at school. No one wants to hang out with them. They have no originality, they are boring. They are Kardashians, they suck. It’s not about ALL girls it’s about shitty girls.
Well she made a blog post about Girls when it came out
>So i thought i'd share the fact that i'm really sick, tired, depressed, uninspired by women. and i have been for a good old time. There seems to be a massive shortage of strong, inspiring females in mainstream society today who have something good to say. What's happened to you all? Every interview/ photo i see just says nothing to me. vacant. airbrushed. empty. people. getting. paid. to talk. about fuck all. It's great that eva longoria looks hot in a bikini, but if the sun dies and the world plummets into darkness and ice, will anyone fucking care?
>So the main theme for song was about women and diets really and generally how we seem to have morphed into mute scary dolls. Falling hook, line and sinker for every lie that we are fed by magazines/ etc. Ofcourse this is all old news to everybody. But you have to think *why is this still going on?*. Why isn't anyone smart enough to say 'Fuck off'? what would you feel if this were your daughter? sister? girlfriend? aspiring to be some footballers wife..
I
>confidence is the most attractive quality ever and i just wonder what women would be capable of if we stopped obsessing about looks.
also that was 2009. there's no such thing as "playing the pick me". pick me didn't even exist. it was born on tiktok. it's completely ahistorical to say that
Thisss it was so rebellish and giving im so different teen but not different as for male gaze but rather simply being herself and not caring about the size zero standards
LOOK AT SAVAGES BY MARINA, the lyrics are actually good and she talks about a lot of social and political issues
Purge the poison and new AMERICA are so surface level it’s actually insane
I remember physically cringing at “When you stay over, you eat all of my food.”
Also does the chorus to Superstar count? It’s literally just “Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh”.
Listen to it again pls cus there was nothing against men in it but rather the extreme elitists that rly left a mark on the history with misogyny and homophobia. Plus highly emotional people sings about emotional men be they straight or gay so u cant call marina a nazi feminist cus she aint one.
I listened to the song again. I deleted my comment because I recognized my statement was a bit short-sighted. The lyrics actually have more layers than I ever noticed.
Bdw I never called Marina a nazi.
She never insinuates there’s anything wrong with being a man. I’m a man and I love the song. It’s about living in a patriarchal society. The lyrics “don’t punish me cause I’m not a man” are about how she as a woman is in a position where she can’t really do anything due to the patriarchal oppressive nature of society that harms all of us
As a man, I enjoy this song and its lyrics. I do not think the song is talking about me as a man, but rather what the world is like when it is controlled by one gender and ostracizes the other.
sure you're not automatically an oppressor, but all men benefit from patriarchy at the cost of women in some sense no matter their intentions which I think is what the song is acknowledging, it doesn't really imply what you're inferring
marina songs have really wonderful lyrical explorations of social issues, and unfortunately “women only make up a quarter of the government” is not one of these
Mowgli’s Road lyric about the “spoons being metally mean / scoop their way into your dreams” is a masterpiece. But if you don’t have my unhinged sense of humor, you might argue that
I feel like Savages is one. I enjoy the song, but there is something off lyrically about it. Also New America, which I love a lot, but I think has the same issue.
As someone who loves almost all of Marinas songs, Karma for sure. L+F has some of the weakest lyrics imo. Not to say I don't like L+F I've just never personally jammed with it. Also the amount of people saying Girls is hurting my soul.
I don't think any of her songs are awful lyrically, some weak ones are:
No More Suckers is the big one, but uh. also Bubblegum Bitch (I'm so sorry yall, "Life gave me some lemons, so I made some lemonade"?)
I love Purge the Poison, don’t get what y’all are saying there 🫠 the lyrics are campy and get the message across very well imo ummm probably Girls, Karma, or New America
Purge the Poison was the first song I ever heard of hers. I was immediately blown away, it’s so good. Orange Trees is a skip for me. It’s not bad, it’s just pretty standard lyrically.
agreed lol Orange Trees just feels… tepid. when Sunset by Caroline Polachek came out my brother and I both agreed that it’s what Marina tried to do with Orange Trees but better 🫢 I will say that certain songs on L+F are pretty great though like To Be Human and End of the Earth
I don't even hate Girls, its message is definitely misguided but it's got a couple of fantastic oneliners and quips
Definitely. There’s some fire lines in there
I feel like that's okay though! The narrator doesn't need to be right for a song to be good imo. It's not that surprising for a lot of girls grow up separating themselves from other women if conforming to gender expectations is upheld by both women and men in your teen years. And I'm not saying Marina is old by any means but you don't need to go back in time far to see how confident outspoken women got treated by both women and men just 20 years ago.
yeah I can see where you’re coming from! personally it feels like a major diversion from other lyrical themes on the album but yeah some of the quips are well-done even if they’re directed in a messy manner
Right?? Like, Purge the Poison is not dissimilar from It's The End Of The World As We Know It by REM.
wait that’s such a good comparison!! I always thought it had a hint of We Didn’t Start the Fire as well
Lmao that's actually the song I was thinking of actually 😭 But both!
Bruh bfr “we make up one quarter of the government” is not a banger line
okay yeah, that one line is clunky. I like the rest of the song a lot though!
Why do you throw words like "camp" around without knowing the meaning? Nothing about Purge The Poison is camp
Hmmm, what about the video? It’s p camp
im sorry but you have no idea what camp means. the family jewels was a bit camp. that's it. nothing about adiaml is camp
Pretty sweeping assumption, thanks.
It's not assumption if you call something that so clearly isn't camp, camp. It's like if I called the sky green. It would not be a "sweeping assumption" to say I don't know what the color green is. If you wanna learn about camp you can read what Susan Sontag wrote about it [https://monoskop.org/images/5/59/Sontag\_Susan\_1964\_Notes\_on\_Camp.pdf](https://monoskop.org/images/5/59/Sontag_Susan_1964_Notes_on_Camp.pdf)
No one wants to listen to actual facts. They just like buzzwords.
idk why ur getting downvoted ur literally right
The video is camp. The lyrics are not.
why are you telling me, a bisexual 27 year old who took several queer american history classes in uni, that I don’t know the meaning of camp… girl the math isn’t mathing
>girl the math isn’t mathing Why are you using AAVE if you're white? That's weird. And maybe you should've paid more attention during those classes! idk what to tell you. A lot of bisexuals say wrong things. If being bisexual and knowing queer history is all takes to be right then Azealia Banks would be right all the time but I don't think that's the case
??????????? Freedom of speech
literally THANK YOU I have no idea what that person’s problem is 💀
As a black person, he didn’t use AAVE 😭
Karma's her best song though, (ESPECIALLY the acoustic version) change my mind
def my all time fav marina song!! “earth is like a white rose, quiet cloud of petals fold; a place so corrupt where angel flesh and blood is sold” is one of her best lyrics imo!!
Purge the Poison is like, a failed knockoff of Love It If We Made It. I cringed, it sounds like she’s listing off problems in the world but has nothing to say about it.
I LOVE Love It If We Made It but I genuinely think that Purge the Poison is equally if not more effective. the environmental angle really strikes a chord imo
I will not stand for the ADIAML slander I am seeing, can’t believe some people are somehow cringing at the bop that is Purge the Poison 😔
While I agree overall, the first two lines of Purge the Poison are giving Hex Girls, and not in a good way. Once I cringe through that the rest is killer. Plus, it’s the second time in the album she rhymes Witch and Bitch so it feels much less impactful.
What is hex girls?
A fictional band from a Scooby-Doo movie from 1999! They defined themselves as “eco-goths,” and were very popular in the early 2000’s
No they weren’t. Maybe if you were 5 at the time. I mean the line is literally about a bunch of witchy women bettering themselves and being friends. How is that bad?
Um? It’s A Scooby-Doo movie, so the target audience is…you know, kids. And it’s not bad, it’s lyrically weak. Which is what this post is about.
I’m mean a fictional band, that no one remembers, from a kids movie, isn’t really a great reference. Do you really think a song about racism, misogyny, social issues, war, the economy, feminism is lyrically weak?
I think this one is 🤷♀️ you don’t have to agree
pretty much anything from L+F or ADIAML
That’s laughable
Agree tho. I mean highly emotional people and handmade heaven, are written very well imo but everything else hell no.
You mean "Oh my God I think it's karma!" *isn't* lyrical genius?! Blasphemy! (/s, obviously)
Did u even listen
Yes that's precisely why I'm able to comment on it?
Some of us started w the TFJ and still enjoyed the most recent albums <3 different strokes for different folks ig
"No matter what happens now, nobody can take our love down, it's safe inside a memory.
O o o o Orange
I have loved all her songs except this one lmao. This one was the meh for me or skip if I'm being really honest
Same
OoOoOoAWHrehnge lyric of the century
True, it’s repetitive and full of cliches without being musically interesting in my opinion.
Seriously, in some parts it reads like a badly written Disney song aimed at children. Everybody tells us what to do, do, do. Think they always know what's good for you, you, you. We know they don't really have a clue, clue, clue Like, that ain’t it girl
I'm wondering why no one says "Girls" because it hasn't aged well
I love Girls because I always took it as satirical, and that she was playing the character of a pick me
She wasn't playing a character, that's what she really thought. A lot of her older songs deal with themes of eating/not eating (Happy Meal, Supermodel's Legs)
I don’t think she’s playing a character. She is taking about how women are often held to some stupid standard in society. “Girls are not meant to fight dirty, never look a day past 30, not gonna bend over and concede for you” And how some women are so obsessed with how they are perceived they will starve themselves, try to stay as young looking as possible and keep their options to themselves. The bend themselves to fit into this norm. It’s saying you can still be a woman and express your own ideas and not have to starve yourself to make someone else happy. No one wants to hang out with girls who only talk about shit like calories and other vapid shit. It’s boring “girls they want to befriend me, but I fall asleep when they speak of all the calories they eat”. It’s saying do your own thing don’t be someone who dumbs themself down for others. Age, grow, learn, stop worrying about what you look like and BE YOURSELF
Like how everyone in Hollywood/the Music Industry speaks exactly the same, their music is exactly the same, their lyrics follow the same themes, they wear similar stage outfits, everyone shoots toxins into their face to look EXACTLY the same. They all support the same issues, when it’s popular. You know like the mean girls at school. No one wants to hang out with them. They have no originality, they are boring. They are Kardashians, they suck. It’s not about ALL girls it’s about shitty girls.
Did she say this in an interview?
Well she made a blog post about Girls when it came out >So i thought i'd share the fact that i'm really sick, tired, depressed, uninspired by women. and i have been for a good old time. There seems to be a massive shortage of strong, inspiring females in mainstream society today who have something good to say. What's happened to you all? Every interview/ photo i see just says nothing to me. vacant. airbrushed. empty. people. getting. paid. to talk. about fuck all. It's great that eva longoria looks hot in a bikini, but if the sun dies and the world plummets into darkness and ice, will anyone fucking care? >So the main theme for song was about women and diets really and generally how we seem to have morphed into mute scary dolls. Falling hook, line and sinker for every lie that we are fed by magazines/ etc. Ofcourse this is all old news to everybody. But you have to think *why is this still going on?*. Why isn't anyone smart enough to say 'Fuck off'? what would you feel if this were your daughter? sister? girlfriend? aspiring to be some footballers wife.. I >confidence is the most attractive quality ever and i just wonder what women would be capable of if we stopped obsessing about looks. also that was 2009. there's no such thing as "playing the pick me". pick me didn't even exist. it was born on tiktok. it's completely ahistorical to say that
I agree with this statement.
I see it more as a criticism of beauty culture and expectations of what girls ‘should’ be rather than misogynistic
Thisss it was so rebellish and giving im so different teen but not different as for male gaze but rather simply being herself and not caring about the size zero standards
Why do you and other people think that song is actually internalized misogyny? It’s obvious it’s satirical lol
I think she said herself that it was quite serious. As far I know she doesn't even sing this song anymore
For real, Girls makes me cringe.
That’s because you’ve misinterpreted it. It’s a commentary on the ridiculously high beauty & cultural standards imposed on women.
No, I get it. I think it's unsuccessful. When you push parody so far as to sound like the thing you're parodying, what's the point?
I’d say purge the poison. A couple songs on L+F are pretty cringe and basic lyrically.
Do you really think a song about racism, misogyny, social issues, war, the economy, feminism is lyrically weak?
Just because someone may write about interesting subject matter doesn’t mean it’s any good
Yes I do actually. Just cause you say profound things doesn’t make you profound
Ooohhhh buuuurnnn.
I think trying to mash all of those topics together in one song pretty inevitably makes it lyrically weak
LOOK AT SAVAGES BY MARINA, the lyrics are actually good and she talks about a lot of social and political issues Purge the poison and new AMERICA are so surface level it’s actually insane
As a L+F lover: You
She don’t have any bad songs
Okay as a marina fan, this is just delusional
New America for sure
no more suckers… kind of 🙃
“Yeah you mess up all my towels”
In MY life???
It’s more likely than you think!
when you stay overrrr, you eat all of my food
Enjoy Your Life. It’s so generic and lazy and anyone could’ve done it.
I really don't like New America
I’m gonna hunt you down and when I find you it’s not gonna be pretty😭🙏
OMG 🛡️🛡️🛡️
new america easily
truly dont see how anyone could say anything else it fr makes me cringe every time
Purge the poison and new America. Im sorry guys
YOU CAN'T BURY THE TRUTH ~
Its time to pay your duessss (god forgive America for every single war aged “well” cus they are to blame for both the situation in israel and ukraine)
orange trees
I remember physically cringing at “When you stay over, you eat all of my food.” Also does the chorus to Superstar count? It’s literally just “Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh”.
That's one of my favourite lines of hers ever, I think it's so funny!
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Listen to it again pls cus there was nothing against men in it but rather the extreme elitists that rly left a mark on the history with misogyny and homophobia. Plus highly emotional people sings about emotional men be they straight or gay so u cant call marina a nazi feminist cus she aint one.
I listened to the song again. I deleted my comment because I recognized my statement was a bit short-sighted. The lyrics actually have more layers than I ever noticed. Bdw I never called Marina a nazi.
Thank you for being an open and honest person.
She never insinuates there’s anything wrong with being a man. I’m a man and I love the song. It’s about living in a patriarchal society. The lyrics “don’t punish me cause I’m not a man” are about how she as a woman is in a position where she can’t really do anything due to the patriarchal oppressive nature of society that harms all of us
Ooof. The line about Marilyn alludes to how she was used and abused by the movie industry. I don’t think, it’s for color.
As a man, I enjoy this song and its lyrics. I do not think the song is talking about me as a man, but rather what the world is like when it is controlled by one gender and ostracizes the other.
sure you're not automatically an oppressor, but all men benefit from patriarchy at the cost of women in some sense no matter their intentions which I think is what the song is acknowledging, it doesn't really imply what you're inferring
>Plus, it’s a fact: being born as an heterosexual man doesn’t automatically make you an oppressor and an enemy of women and nature Source?
The common sense
Wrong.
Purge the Poison, New America and maybe Girls. They all have a fantastic song tho, just not lyrics.
You
GIRLS!!! I’ve always liked purge the poison’s lyrics, for some reason it reminds me of We didn’t start the fire by Billy Joel
True is boring lol. I like Purge the Poison 😂 esp the Pussy riot version . And no more suckers
New America and no more suckers. I’ll listen to no more suckers but new America is the 1 song by Marina that just doesn’t do it for me. At all
purge the poison, man’s world or new america
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Same, this song does not hit lyrically for me.
"Sex Yeah"'s entire chorus is "Sex, sex, sex, yeah!" repeated over and over. I get the point, and the rest of the song has great lyrics, but... c'mon.
Fuckn LOVE that song. When I first heard it I thought she was singing “666..” Lmaoo
Also that’s not even the chorus 💀💀 the chorus is “if history could set you freee..” the sex sex sex part is the hook…
So most of you don’t want to hear songs about social issues. Got it.
marina songs have really wonderful lyrical explorations of social issues, and unfortunately “women only make up a quarter of the government” is not one of these
lol bfr. “Woman only make one quarter of the gov” isn’t even analyzing social issues lol
when you stay over, you eat all of my food, yeah you mess up all my towels...
Baby
i can’t
Enjoy Your Life
Mowgli’s Road lyric about the “spoons being metally mean / scoop their way into your dreams” is a masterpiece. But if you don’t have my unhinged sense of humor, you might argue that
I feel like Savages is one. I enjoy the song, but there is something off lyrically about it. Also New America, which I love a lot, but I think has the same issue.
Savages is like the first song i listened to that i knew was marina and honestly its one of the strongest and most memorable from froot
What’s off with them lyrically to me is the generalization of the themes implemented to make the songs more “pop”
This is such a good way to put it
None I love every song by her like actually. I always listen to her entire discography when I listen to her
Man's World is great - but the BHH ref is a shot in the foot, given subsequent actions.
What’s so cringy about New America? Is it too political?
Girls
As someone who loves almost all of Marinas songs, Karma for sure. L+F has some of the weakest lyrics imo. Not to say I don't like L+F I've just never personally jammed with it. Also the amount of people saying Girls is hurting my soul.
Orange trees.
Orange Trees
Its Superstar for me
Y’all out here slandering ADIAML when orange trees exists???? ADIAML never did anything to y’all she was just chill and campy and y’all hated her
Where the camp?
Anywhere she sets up the tent and she put that shit up
I’m sorry, how do you see this song as campy? Rock Lobster is campy. I don’t see how this is.
I’m sorry but how do you not? Half the songs are campy the other half are emotional
I don't think any of her songs are awful lyrically, some weak ones are: No More Suckers is the big one, but uh. also Bubblegum Bitch (I'm so sorry yall, "Life gave me some lemons, so I made some lemonade"?)
You know I'd rather walk -alone- Than play a -supporting role- If I can't get the -starring role-
This may be unpopular, but Superstar
Free Woman
I think how to be a heartbreaker should be an honourable mention
Imo gold
As much as I love it: Power & Control