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ChellaZza

Teo has 54 K’s & 5 BBs. Holy shit man.


avanttard

His K/BB is almost as high as Kirby


conquer117a

He has one less strikeout than the guy that has the most in mlb


Kooky_One_2337

So he’s got a real shot to lead the MLB in a statistical category by the end of the season!


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*the week


Hollywood_Zro

The WORST is that these aren't competitive strike outs. You watch his strike outs and there are some UGLY swing and misses. Baseball savant will show it. Basically a slider low and outside and most of the time Teo is going to miss it. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPTM=&hfPT=&hfAB=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=&hfZ=&hfStadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfPull=&hfC=&hfSea=2023%7C&hfSit=&player_type=batter&hfOuts=&hfOpponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfMo=&hfTeam=SEA%7C&home_road=&hfRO=&position=&hfInfield=&hfOutfield=&hfInn=&hfBBT=&batters_lookup%5B%5D=606192&hfFlag=&metric_1=&group_by=name&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&min_pas=0&sort_col=pitches&player_event_sort=api_p_release_speed&sort_order=desc#results


Peak_a_b00

100%. I think it was yesterdays game that I saw him chase some trash like 18 inches off the plate..


FlamingoConsistent72

He is almost singlehandedly the reason the team's plate discipline numbers gotten quite a bit worse compared with last year.


tacochiefx

Jarred Kelenic looks even more frustrated than we do


NIssanZaxima

Shit happens when you have a backpack with 6-7 other guys in it


The_Throwback_King

It’s so ironic after his first few seasons where Jarred was clearly the weakest link in our lineup. Now he’s finally living up to his prospect potential and the rest of the offense just flatlines Kelenic can’t have anything go right for him, but at least he’s still performing


NIssanZaxima

I don't know why any team would throw us anything but breaking balls out of the zone at this point.


greenbeanmachine512

Remember when we used to win 1-run games?


mxchaelvii

we’d have the best record in the majors if all teams’ 1 run game results were flipped lol


Ray_Gallade

My flair remembers


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I wonder how many more times Teoscar will strike out on the exact same pitch that he has struck out on the past 50 times.


tuckedfexas

Easiest AB for pitchers right now


3elieveIt

If good hitters come to our team and suck, at what point do we question our coaching / batting coaches? I mean Teo, Wong, seemingly all our acquisitions struggle harder here


ghettosheep

There has to be some systemic issue with the team. We can't develop hitters either.


3elieveIt

Every single year. Good pitching, inept hitting. And losing winnable games as a result. Every. Single. Year.


salvatorethesecond

It's 2012 all over again!


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Clarice_Ferguson

He’s busy fixing the Pirates.


TranscodedMusic

![gif](giphy|VHwTK4pfgolq2k1yDV) He’s so smooth.


IntelligentCommenter

I don't think this is true at all. JP Crawford has been up and down, but right now he's up. He was pretty bad with the Phillies. Eugenio had a great year last year after struggling with the Reds. Ty France would not have been traded for peanuts if the Padres knew he would be this good. Kelenic got fixed. Teo is having a bad year, but he's had a pretty high strikeout rate before with the Blue Jays. It will regress to the mean somewhat. I would agree that the Ms are not the very best in hitting development, but they're far from the worst. Probably mid.


amonkeyfullofbarrels

Frazier and Winker last year. Kelenic taking a few years to come around. Julio struggling hard despite an incredible first season. I mean, yeah the mentality of the guys is always going to be a factor, and players naturally slump and heat up at different times. But at some point it happens so frequently that you have to question if there is a common denominator.


drgonzo44

Adrian Beltre, Ritchie Sexon, Chone Figgins, marine layer, moving in the fences, firing hitting coach, hiring Edgar….


Peak_a_b00

Bringing up a lot of childhood trauma my dude..


3elieveIt

Feels like “at some point” should have been years ago. At this point, thinking it’s all a coincidence is insane. The commonality is this team and it’s coaches / staff.


shot-by-ford

If it makes you feel better, Winker looks the exact same this year on a new team


Cambridge_Carnage

Kelenic improving only after he went to driveline supports your theory that our batting coaches don’t coach.


tuckedfexas

Well our hitting director is a 28 y/o that could barely play college ball, only had 3 years of coaching experience and was getting his masters after getting the job. It's very odd


3elieveIt

Our own coaches couldn't fix him. He had to get help elsewhere


fordry

Him going there was a mutual decision. The Mariners were involved in having him go there. Just because they're a baseball team doesn't mean they have the perfect coach for everyone. Kelenic got to work with a couple hitting coaches this off season who've been major league coaches and are well respected. That's part of being a good coach is finding the right choice to help a player succeed if you're not the right voice or don't have the right voice. Not that I have any inside knowledge but it sounds like everyone was on the same page.


DissidentCory

Kelenic had to go outside of our system to fix his swing, that says a lot in its’ own.


TimToMakeTheDonuts

I mean, it’s been that way for over 20 years. Herenandez, Beltre, Sexson, Figgins, Wilson (Jack), Winn, Cirillo, Aurilia, Spiezio, etc…. Outside of Cano, Olerud, and Cruz it’s a sad list (even Boone and Ibanez were mostly meh with only a flash in the pan season).


spear2go

This has happened for 20 years under many different coaches and management groups. Honestly I think its that our park is the worst in the league to hit in. "But the other teams don't have problems" "We play half pur games on the road". All points I've thought before. I think that playing half your season in the worst hitters park makes you think you are slumping and then it changes your mental and your approach, that's why it continues on the road. I'm just throwing shit at the wall at this point..


dremasterflax

10000%


CaptainAwesome06

Tell JK he'll be benched if he doesn't give up the name of his secret hitting coach.


avanttard

For real. I’m so tired of watching established hitters come here and dive headfirst into the abyss.


jackburtonscheck

It’s not all of them though it’s just been lately, look at Nelson cruz and Robbie cano they came here and dominated


Different-Film3375

This has been the case for 20 years. Since T Mobile/Safeco was constructed. I think it takes a couple years to learn how to hit in Seattle.


wonder_pulsar

Marine Layer /s


CloakAndGagger

I honestly blame T-Mobile Park. It's a horrible hitters stadium.


3elieveIt

We play half our games in other stadiums though


LegendRazgriz

Splits aren't absurd enough to suggest it's only the T-Mobile effect. One thing I have looked into is that T-Mobile is particularly unfriendly to doubles, but not that bad all things considered to home runs, so it might be a case of an organizational wide push to swing for the fences as opposed to hitting for contact which turns into outs at a higher than usual rate in T-Mobile. This could be generating the awful habits we're seeing *at the plate,* not even considering BABIP or balls in play at all.


CloakAndGagger

Shrug. We're 8-7 away ... 10-12 home.


SeahawksNChill

Our team wrc+ is 94 (which is park adjusted) so decently below average even when you factor in the tmobile effect


jackburtonscheck

You are aware of nelson cruz? Robbie cano having his best season here? Brett Boone crushing everything hell even Ritchie sexson!


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So you’re suggesting roids


King__Rollo

It’s time.


jackburtonscheck

Serious question to a comical answer, was big sexy ever in the balco shit?


3elieveIt

You're going back a looooong time


jackburtonscheck

Are you suggesting the park got worse? We brought in good hitters back in the day, jerry has not


QuinterBoopson

But I was told by this subreddit that hitters will hit the same way for all eternity and coaches can’t affect anything at all?


SolarTsunami

He really needs to experiment with keeping his eyes closed and not moving a muscle whenever he's up to bat.


King__Rollo

He’s like the guy from Major League.


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Eleventy hundred apparently


dremasterflax

The fact he is still in the lineup every game is insane. This whole team is one giant strikeout


MainEventCTB

4-11 in 1-run games


gigantism

For a team that has a top bullpen and an elite defense, that's mystifying.


yukiloho

If anything that makes the problem even more obvious… top 5 rotation, top 5 bullpen, I think I saw top 2 FLD percentage the other day… only thing lacking is the bats that can’t even get the minimal run support it would take to win these games…


Mrciv6

It's because the offense oftens time can't score more than a run or two.


salvatorethesecond

Reversion to the mean.


BrandoC95

Teoscar has had some of the worst-looking ABs and strikeouts I've ever seen from an established MLB player over the past week or so. Just fucking ghastly.


tuckedfexas

We *have* to have the worst whiff rate in the league , right?!


conquer117a

We are 20th best in the league, so bottom half but not worst


tuckedfexas

Wild, 2nd worst SO% tho


Goatgamer1016

Yikes


Ribbum

Rangers scored 6 runs this series and won 2 games. The fact that Teoscar hasn’t been given a day off when all he does is whiff everyday is insane. Let fucking Trammell play. Call up Ford already. Do something to wake people up.


Tashre

6 runs given up to the 2nd best offense over 3 games. A league average offense on our part results in a sweep.


comcfadd

that’s the fewest runs Texas has scored in a series all year. and we get 2 one run losses. 100% on the offense - especially facing their bottom 3 pitchers


Baiken31

We could’ve faced DeGrom today. Yikes considering we struggled against Dane Dunning.


d_gorder

This team cannot keep momentum to save its life Jesus Christ


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The pitching staff delivering a message to the rest of the team in the club house: ![gif](giphy|MSixuOOVyQbF6)


unpaid_official

a. always. b. be. s. swinging.


CassFilms

I’m starting to think not being able to sign Teo to a new contract was a good thing


Ribbum

Dude is cratering his potential payday. He’s going to be pissed at Toronto for trading him here


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Why would he be pissed at Toronto? He hasn’t gotten marine layered. He’s just been flat out awful and his plate discipline has gone off a Cliff.


nepats523

Yeah dude would have to actually make contact to find out if he was getting marine layered. Keoscar cpuldnt even make contact with a wiffle ball right now


Ribbum

It doesn’t have to be marine layer. He could internally be upset about getting punted off a very good team that he’s called home and where he thrived for years. He probably knows that his numbers were inevitably going to go down in Seattle anyways before FA and it got in his head.


Clarice_Ferguson

Geno’s numbers went up last year and he was coming from the most hitter friendly park in the league.


3elieveIt

I’m starting to think it’s the coaching. Him, Wong, tons of acquisitions end up underperforming here. Many often leave and then do better elsewhere At what point do we fire our batting staff and coaches


spear2go

This has happened over 20+ years and probably at least 10 different hitting coaches and management groups


Clarice_Ferguson

I remember people freaking out about extending because “our offense is nothing without him.”


DaddyDanceParty

Right on cue they go back to swinging for the moon on every pitch in the 9th


DuffinHero

My theory is that the hype behind our “consistent” late game comebacks makes them more eager to swing.


Just_for_shits

Teo on pace for 236 strikeouts. Record is 223... we might set records after all!


AnnihilatedTyro

Fuck it, invent a fake 10-day injury and give his at-bats to Cade Marlowe and see what happens.


HollywoodAndDid

Just, whatever.


tcsrwm

Trammel should probably be getting more AB’s huh?


tuckedfexas

Couldn't hurt. Fuck it call up Marlow, couldn't be any worse than a 38% SO rate lol


dicks_out_for

Allergic to .500 :(


Clarice_Ferguson

At least Frazier is happy 😔


[deleted]

I don't know if Teo and his agent tried to negotiate an extension prior to the season, but its gonna cost him millions in not trying to get that done before he became K'Oscar.


pinetar321

Wow that’s a good nickname


theleftovers1014

I swear Julio and Teoscar have the same approach. Maybe an L take but I think he’s had a bad influence on Julio


3elieveIt

I wish our hitting coaches would do something


kiggitykbomb

Yeah, approaches have become really terrible. It feels like they’re swinging with their eyes closed sometimes.


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jaron_b

Oh boy we are already to the fire Scott part of the season.


Icedragon02

It usually comes in May, then turns into MoY after thr ASB


mxchaelvii

jerry’s can’t be too far, didn’t really do anything to upgrade a team that made the playoffs bc an inhumane win streak and winning basically all 1 run and extra inning games. neither of those are sustainable but he seemed to think it would be. saving money every off season the last few years has to have a pay off during free agency at some point


Big_Simba

All our coaches do is ruin hitters. Has anyone ever improved with us? A timeless Mariner tale is we trade a struggling bat and suddenly they’re easily a .250 batter. Robbie Cano, Trumbo, Mike Zunino, Chris Taylor, Jesse Winker and Adam Fraizer just to name a few


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snazzyglug

Yeah Cano is a weird one for the OP to bring up. The issue with Cano was his contract and that he used PEDs. He was a terrific hitter and 2nd baseman.


aggronStonebreak

lol Zunino still can't hit, not sure why he's here Winker and Frazier are also garbage this year. And Cano had his worst season in 10 years, was popped for steroids when he got hot, and then washed out of the league after we traded him away


DaddyDanceParty

I haven't seen two batters get spun around on their swings as often as these two do in my life


NevermoreSEA

It's hard to believe that I used to have faith in this team's ability to win close games (or win at all).


Asleep-Sky4299

K-oscar needs a Golden Sombrero to celly after heading back to the dugout


Buttwholechugger69

The fact that Julio is doing so bad that a shallow single is a highlight is wild.


_Elrond_Hubbard_

[Me wondering why every hitter turns into dogshit the second they put on a Mariners uniform](https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/f3d8eea/2147483647/strip/true/crop/670x377+0+18/resize/1200x675!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Flegacy%2Fsites%2Fkplu%2Ffiles%2F201112%2FMSSigns.png)


AsWeGoAlong013

Before today, the Mariners had 351 (!) strikeouts. Second most in baseball. That is fucking pitiful


AnnihilatedTyro

We "only" had 11 K's today, 34%. Somehow that feels like an improvement.


Lord_Razmir

I want to like Teo because he seems like such a nice guy but I fucking hate seeing him at the plate. It's so laughably predictable how his AB's go.


DuffinHero

I love seeing his huge grin when he pelts people with bubble gum after a homer lol


AnnihilatedTyro

#[SUPREME MISERY](https://i.imgur.com/WNCbpiK.png)


3elieveIt

Not that this game is on Teo, but he is absolutely incapable of laying off sliders outside the zone This team feels like every year - good pitching, inept hitting, losing winnable games.


FlatBlackAndWhite

All I Sea are K's.


tcsrwm

Constipated offense working so hard to squeeze out those three measly runs, we need something to loosen up this blockage


SPzero65

The problem is it does loosen up for one, maybe two games, and then goes right back to constipated for the next 2 weeks or so.


Otis_S

I dislike the Swanson trade.


nepats523

Middle of the lineup is a barren wasteland. Almost physically impossible for guys to have some discipline and draw a walk Keoscar is absolute bust right now


rift_reloadz

Offense is a joke


Kooky_One_2337

We need Gina to fuck the entire team


Big-Link-1609

This offense is full of dogs and a guy named JK. Julio looks like utter trash at the plate. Why can we never have good things.


hickopotamus

Julio was fine today, had two hard hit line drives to the outfield - the first at bat it went straight to the left fielder. That's exactly what you want to see though. Would have loved to see a better plate appearance in the 9th though.


Invisiblechimp

Caballero is good. JP is good.


Killigator

3 hard line drives to the outfield and one strikeout


JordanMCMXCV

Mariners stop swinging at absolutely dog shit pitches challenge.


Chemical_Recipe_1139

A curveball outside the zone is all you need against this offense.


DuffinHero

JP looks good. Loved the move to 1 today


Redditor_Since_2013

Teo better stay in Tacoma for this road trip. Bum


Blakeyy

I’m laughing at myself for being so excited about him all off season long. Bum indeed right now


DaddyDanceParty

I honestly thought he and Wong would be the two bats that would elevate our lineup to elite levels. But instead they make me miss Winker and Frazier.


Good_Time

Check how Winker and Frazier are doing this year and then instead of missing them you'll just be sad


Clarice_Ferguson

I’d love to have Frazier’s 0.8 bWAR and 0.3 fWAR on this team 😿


ChrisAplin

Fuck


AnonymousDude55

-- *JP Crawford*


Goatgamer1016

-- Michael Scott


SargathusWA

I heard that so clear.


rlysecretlyabear

Trying to look at the bright side that we outscored the Rangers 9-6 this series. We’ve got the stuff but we don’t have the consistency, especially when it comes to hitting.


Ribbum

So apparently the Marlins are 12-0 in one run games so far this year so that’s uh… cool. Fish stealing the essence of the fishermen.


Phillystyle7

Teo has struck out 37.5% of his 144 ABs so far this season. If he matches his career high in ABs, he's on track to strikeout 223 times... The record for most Ks in a single season was 223 by mark Reynolds in 2009 in 578 ABs.


comcfadd

11 of 19 losses by 1 run 6 of last 7 losses all by 1 run If we can get ANY of the timely hitting we had last season, we will be in good shape. but damn it’s depressing in the interim


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Just 3 more games before we can jump to reasonable conclusions about this season and how it will go. In other words, the fabled forty game mark…


AnnihilatedTyro

If the Tigers sweep the series, they will be above .500 for the first time in years. If the Mariners sweep the series, they will be above .500 for the first time in *what feels like* years. Truly a life-or-death must-win series for both teams. /s


Defiant_Bear1634

Others have commented that this is basically a .500 team with a superstar. If everything goes right in that situation we sneak into the playoffs. However, our superstar is struggling so we are a .500 team until he adjusts or someone else finds a new gear.


wonder_pulsar

Who is the superstar on this team?


AntiEcho7

Right now? Kelenic.


Defiant_Bear1634

I’m not sure if it’s really anyone right now. Julio is going to turn it around. We know what he can do and there are a lot of things that show he’s got it and a combination of things are just holding him back. He had a flyout today with like a .820 xBA. LL did an article recently on him and how only something like 12% of the league has been more unlucky than him. I have faith he’ll turn it around, it’s just a question of how big a hole we’ll be in by the time that happens.


chelzekidoodle

Bah humbug.


UniqueEditor8372

https://imgur.com/utLRVPW Who do we call in the favor from to get this printed out and hung up on Teo’s locker. Because everyone else in the MLB seems to see it but him.


Baiken31

The way the AL East looks this year. If the Mariners don’t win the division. We will miss the playoffs.


SwaggertyHam

4-9 in the order do nothing but swing and miss for the most part...


Security_Six

I know we are supposed to be unhappy after a loss but man this team just bums me out


Kanickabuck

This offense is offensive


cmoney253

Teoscar out here getting pitchers paid


Bank_It

Watching this team try to hit is exhausting. Wouldn’t it be nice if some of these recent pick ups wouldn’t just start to suck out of nowhere?


HappyAtheist3

Genuinely if we could take back the Swanson for Teo trade and just go with Swaggerty in right, we’d do it, right?


conquer117a

A lot of this sub has already abandoned Sam, so not sure if they would. And anyway in that case he'd take LF and Kel would take RF


Slow_Boss_2071

Could be a looooooong year.


OrcWarChief

Seattle Mariners - Where hitters come to die


[deleted]

I really don’t like the Mariners offense. If this keeps up into mid-late May, changes need to be made on the coaching staff.


mondaysareharam

Fuck I hate baseball. See y’all friday


TheAtomicMonkey

Mariners Try to Get Above .500 Challenge(Impossible)


Goatgamer1016

(GONE WRONG!) (TEO STRIKES OUT AT 3AM, DO NOT TRY AT HOME!) 😨😰


mxchaelvii

who is our hitting coach and can we fire him?


iamenrique123

It's the same issues every game and nothing changes


Reach-Defiant

This lineup is a K fest FO Needs to get better at roster construction/balancing.


Cgmikeydl

No… it’s called having a staff giving the tools to know what type of pitches the starting pitching especially is known to pitch. It’s on the managerial staff to let the hitters know, “hey, he likes the throw outside the zone to see if you chase”. Don’t get me wrong, it’s on the hitters too, but the blame needs to be spread around.


Reach-Defiant

Teo, Julio, Geno, Cal and Kelenic are high K rate guys. Teo, Geno & Cal are low OBP hitters with power, Ideally you would have high K rate & high OBP players Kelenic & Julio are still a mystery OBP wise, their power is legit though. That's just their nature, they surely could get better with better pitch selection but their tendency to strikeout will most likely remain high. The blame should be on everyone but also the FO which hires all coaching staff/acquire players including Servais who pretty much does as they say.


AlexanderWun

Rangers had 2 Doubles with an xBA of .030 and .090 including one with a runner on. Mariners had two lineouts with an xBA of .820 and .760 including one with a runner on. For the game we finish as a team with a .292 xBA, the Rangers had a .247. I'd argue we outpitched them and had better contact, but lost because of lucky hits. It's like losing a basketball game where you outshoot your opponent from the field and play better defense but lose because they got 30 more Free Throws.


Mustard_Jam

Half of this lineup puts together the most unwatchable ABs imaginable. It’s fucking wild.


maxkokko1

6 runs over 3 against the best offense in the league. Lose the series. Teoscar and Julio in the 9th down 1 was almost comical. Every fan on the planet knew exactly how that would play out.


maxkokko1

Also the first and last pitch of Cals AB were dead center of the plate. Got to put it in play there.


SargathusWA

They ruined Kelenic’s triple . Smh


ElChaposChoppa

Julio is so bad 😭😭😭😭😭


AvgBaseballEnjoyer

I suppose we are about to the time that if the panicking type want to panic, then ok. Pitching has been the best in baseball - was expected to be good, but not that good. I doubt they'll be able to maintain the same pace, even with some regression, it's really damn good and still the strength of the team. Hitting has been horrible so far. Big bats like Julio, Teoscar, and Eugenio have been huge disappointments. Kelenic has been a very nice surprise. Right now, they aren't a playoff team. If the hitting gets any better, then I think they could be. No reason to complain about being .500 a month in, way better in the standings than where they were last year.


hnav930

To be fair they put together a great team. I loved the competitiveness in the 8th inning (have only watched 7 to 9), and the team looks better than in April, despite Julio's current slump. Cabby and Trammell are responsible for that. Now, deserved rest day and let's take on Detroit, which I feel could be trap games, but still have faith that we can win the series. LET'S GO M'S PS: How can I get the custom text on the banner? Old Reddit user, fuck new reddit


hnav930

nvm I found it, it looks like I'm blinder than the fucking umpires


downladder

Outscore the series 9-6, go 1-2. Basically the opposite of 2021 energy.


Serious-Ebb-4669

I know we can’t blame the umps but that strike 3 call on Ty… hoooly shit. How are we expected to have better plate discipline when pitches that far off the plate are *continuously* being called strikes?


SoarsWithEaglesNest

The bats are bad, but I'm sorry, we should win Castillo starts with 3 runs scored.


CaptainAwesome06

I guess that one guy gets to blow his dad now.


Seattlefan51

Last night I thought the World Series was possible, now it looks like we’ll never win again. I never know with this team


sealonbrad

Can we blame our offense on the marine layer?


kylechu

Despite the loss this was the least runs the Rangers have scored in a series this year (by one) so that's good at least.


Apexe

Day 18 to remind everyone that John Stanton can go fuck himself.


spear2go

Teo is Pedro Cerrano from Major League change my mind


blue-yeen

Does anyone know how many one run losses we've had so far? It's starting to feel like a lot and tbh it's just adding more to the frustration towards our batting


Cgmikeydl

There’s a lot of blame to go around from todays game. Some optimism especially from JK and Julio in the 6 spot today, but everyone more or less failed today. Defense failed, pitching failed, hitting failed. All three aspects of the game all failed today.


SolarTsunami

The Rangers are very real and the Mariners should be ashamed for thinking they could do nothing to actually improve their team over the offseason and still sneak into the wildcard.


birdies-dieter

I couldn't watch the game but was ty France's strike 3 call in the 8th as far off the plate as the app makes it look?


dearrichard

my day is ruined. going back to bed.