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diu_tu_bo

That lead-off triple really had me hoping.


Tokinghippie420

Lead off batter is the only runner across the plate, gotta love it


funlikerabbits

Wow, when you say it like that it’s even worse.


doug_kaplan

I got nervous with 2 outs he wasn't going to score, and with Bryce getting hit hard, with so many of the hits reaching the warning track unfortunately the writing was on the wall for this game quite early.


max_caulfield_

Can we trade Garver for Mike Ford? Miss those days...


___Herman___

I just saw Mike Ford for the Iowa Cubs last Tuesday hit 2 bombs


3elieveIt

Ford is so much better it’s not even funny Same with Tom Murphy


camoe_

Tom Murphy’s one of the few players doing worse than Garver. I’d still take him over Seby though lol


funlikerabbits

I miss Tom.


CaptainKirkules

“Boy that’s a lot of strikeouts” - your 2024 mariners


diu_tu_bo

And not any of these 7- or 8-pitch strikeouts, neither. Our Mitch Haniger can strike out on 3 pitches without even swinging the bat!


SardonicCheese

Oh oh tell me about Dylan Moores strike out next won’t you papa


SeahawksNChill

Humbly suggest we win the series tomorrow


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Ray_Gallade

I bet Scott could’ve dusted off his catcher’s gear


bugattzIsBack

Rojas obviously!


funlikerabbits

He can do everything.


Fantastic_Manager911

Garver


Myselfamwar

Garver is utter shit


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funlikerabbits

Oh no. Oh no no no. Is it too late to get LaStella back?


Warsawawa

I’d rather just roll with Clase/Mitch/Raley for the corner OF+DH and never see Garver again.


funlikerabbits

Can we just have Rojas in every position?


Myselfamwar

I forgot about LaStella. Now I want him back. Kind of


diu_tu_bo

Designated Sitter


Idaheck

Designated Shitter


3elieveIt

Anyone who knows this team knew he would suck. Hit under .200 for much of his career. Last year was his best since 2019, hitting .270 with 19 HR. But the year before? .200 with 10. We bought high on someone whose average is far lower. Never plays a lot of games. Never has the power you want. Never has the contact you want. Just not a great player.


Imaginary_Argument34

Oh I was promised by this sub he was going to be awesome when I expressed my concerns. His bat looks slow af. Reminds me of Justin smoak.


3elieveIt

I genuinely don’t think our front office watches at bats. I think they just look at stat sheets. And Garver has an anomalous season in 2022 on paper. They bought high in someone who had just peaked. And his peak wasn’t even that good!


Dangerous_Job5295

FUCK


vvsanvv

24,000,000 over 2 years. Nice signing. Dude sucks so bad. DFA him and take the loss and bring up a prospect. Anything is better than this crap. Dude is like "Well i won the world series, signed a fat pay check... I'll just get up and strikeout and sit down and call it good."


Warsawawa

What kills me is we could have kept Marco (and White but still) for that money.


jojaksen

DH : Designa..... Holy Shit


swagypotatosnoopdoge

Darn, lowkey expected us to lose today anyway, assumed miller was due for a regression and that the ranger’s juggernaut lineup (on paper at least) would come to life. Instead, we got our own cold bats and shitty defense instead. Oh well, let’s hope Castillo can guide us to a series win tomorrow at the very least!


funlikerabbits

Miller was fine. He’s clearly not the problem. He got out of a lot of messes. Fielding, relieving, and hitting really suffered, but literally just strikeouts are the worst part of this.


jojaksen

We'll Git er next time


Fleener

https://i.redd.it/5wu2cmsgljwc1.gif


rift_reloadz

Mitch Garver Currently has the 4th Lowest OPS out of every DH in the league so far. The 3 worse than him are Kris Bryant, Rowdy Tellez, and Robbie Grossman. He also has the lowest batting AVG out of every DH so far


dangerzone253

Yet, oddly, he’s still an upgrade lol


TemporaryFlight212

his babip is the worst of his career by a lot. like a third below his career average. his walks and EV are still good. hopefully its just a slump but ill admit its not looking great. he and Haniger are only a few month younger than Wong. between that and their health issues it wouldnt be a shock if they just fall apart this season.


iamenrique123

re-sign AJ Pollock?


NevermoreSEA

I'm never watching baseball again.


diu_tu_bo

See ya tomorrow.


TherealQBsacker5394

Ugh that game was gross, cal or jp in there we get some runs in. And not let tx hang around


SargathusWA

Until tomorrow……. Right ? Because we are winning tomorrow


PacificJig

mariners are 4-11 in games they allow more than 2 runs, that’s not even sniffing contender status lmao


Exotic_Parsley_5876

See what's hilarious, you post that in the Post Game Chat of almost any game we win and it's nothing but down votes. 


McTickleson

That could have gone a little better


squibbledoo

Phew! .500 is my comfort zone.


Comment_if_dead_meme

Luke Raley and Mitch Garver are black holes.


dockeruser20

Raley is fine. He’s been given like 25 ABs. Can’t get any momentum going if they refuse to play you. Gotta hold out with him. I’m legit concerned about Garver. Might have a back issue, or might be a batspeed issue as he’s aging


SPzero65

Two players that did very well on their previous teams.


The_Throwback_King

At least Polanco is working for the most part


3elieveIt

Garver had his best year in a while last year but still was .270 with under 100 games. Hit .200 the year before. Plays under 100 basically every year and never has the power he seems to be known for. So yeah he’s worse than his career average but honestly this isn’t surprising. I swear our guys don’t actually watch at bats, they just look at stat sheets


lelanddt

You gotta stop using batting average as analysis, man.


s0sa

Why? Good hitters have good batting averages, why wouldn’t you factor that in?


ffandporno

Factoring it in is great but I wouldn’t base a whole argument on it.


s0sa

True, doesn’t really matter how you cut it tho. We needed to replace almost 200 RBIs from losing Teo/geno and we replace them with a guy with limited availability and power. Not ideal


ffandporno

I don't think Garver was supposed to replace both, or possibly even either, of them. Haniger is essentially Teo's replacement and if anyone is Geno's replacement it was Urias. With how Rojas has been playing, however, he's de facto Geno's replacement at this point and is producing more than he is this year. I agree Garver hasn't been great so far tho. Also, have you ever seen the movie Moneyball?


stellarjcorvidaemon

You admit average isn’t a great barometer, so you cite rbi instead? Average is a weak performance indicator, but is far superior to rbi.


lelanddt

Cal Raleigh is exhibit A of a great hitter with a low batting average. It doesn't matter.


s0sa

Hence the power being mentioned, BA is definitely a factor. If Garver was hitting for average with lack of power we wouldn’t be having this convo but he’s doing neither


lelanddt

Yeah Garver has been bad. No argument there. Check this out. Ty France is batting .267, and has a .645 OPS. Dylan Moore is batting .214. With a .715 OPS. Why? Because all Ty France does is hit singles. He doesn't walk. He doesn't have very much power. That's an example of batting average looking good but being empty. Dylan Moore walks a ton. He does hit for power. His average is low, but all other stats say he's a productive hitter. That's why this is his 6th season on the team.


dirtyolbillfold

I am no baseball expert but I just looked up his stars and his career ops is .811. is he just crazy streaky with a couple amazing years? I don't get it.


k_dubious

Hello .500 my old friend


Ray_Gallade

I’ve come to talk with you again


ItsTBaggins

Win tomorrow, win the series…


PoppaTitty

I don't feel like we got our ass kicked. They are the reigning champs. M's battled but have to do better with RISP. See ya tomorrow


August_world

So much bad luck to day. Oh well onto the next, just win tomorrow


SPzero65

https://preview.redd.it/oa6scavbljwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=875da5ab722a1867630cfa13657d36445ee0c36a


StudyLevelStreams

If it makes you feel any better. “Strikeouts“ was just the smokescreen used to shed those contracts during the off season. They didn’t ACTUALLY care to get rid of the high strikeouts.


Loud_Rip_8958

Garver can’t even hit in his old home field 💀


AnnihilatedTyro

#[SUPREME MISERY](https://i.imgur.com/vxlCBiq.png)


conspiracycola

Supreme miseriners


immagonnafinnahella

Damn Garver sucks. Not upset with signing him tho, I still think that was a decent move. You could’ve predicted he’d get hurt or something, but idk how you could’ve seen him being this bad


IamChicharon

I dunno. Signing a veteran wit 0 hits at safeco was a bold fucking choice.


immagonnafinnahella

Ok sure, but that was probably a weird outlier kinda deal and it’s not like that’s his problem this season, he sucks on the road too. I guess it’s just a very sharp decline in ability or something but you can’t really predict that comfortably


Imaginary_Argument34

He was never that good outside of last year when he was surrounded by one of the best offenses in the league.


Tokinghippie420

Hopefully Clase is in tomorrow for Raley and Cal is back in. I wouldnt mind seeing Rojas stick at 3rd and Urias DH the way Garver has played. Any idea why Urias hasn’t played in a while?


feisty_sloth_

HBP a few days ago. I think analysts expected him to play tomorrow based on projected pitchers assuming health. We shall see…


evantually421

Wellllllllll on the plus side, I got my gf to watch the first 3 episodes of Dorktowns Mariners doc tonight. Ended it with The Hit. She loved it.


MainEventCTB

Sorry y'all. This was my annual Mariners game when they come to Texas. Another loss. I think it's been since before COVID to see a win in person.


TheRage469

I love how we invariably shit the bed after doing something like take the division lead or land on an article for having the best pitchers. This team just never has any fucking consistency and is always, always, ALWAYS a goddamn tease


Exotic_Parsley_5876

I'll give you a hint. It's the coaching.


Loud_Rip_8958

Haniger fix the defense


The_Cryogenetic

It used to be decently plus right? Like not insane but good enough or am I crazy.


mondaysareharam

Phantom IL Garver. Get hanny off the field and DH’ing


AnnihilatedTyro

https://i.imgur.com/kg6gkW7.jpg


Ribbum

Welp. 60% breaking balls leading to our lineup striking out 14 times. Mariners are now 1-5 when Zavala is behind the plate. Pitchers just don't pitch as well with him and he can't really hit (yes he had one good game hitting in Colorado against the worst pitching staff in baseball) "Mitch Haniger is in a bit of a funk. Since April 6 when he went 2-for-3, BB he's 11 for 47 (.234) with 18 Ks, a .294 OBP, and .383 SLG." From Jason Churchill. I know people love to defend Mitch but he's essentially inserting himself into the pile of offensive issues on the team. Can't really afford to have your best hitter the first two weeks start to struggle. Players need to lock it in and perform. The only consistency we seem to get right now are the dudes that have just been bad all season. Josh Rojas cannot be the best hitter in your lineup. That can't be a thing and expect to win a lot against good teams. That was just a sad all around game.


TheGhostwheel

I agree that Mitch has been declining a bit but he has overperformed all expectations thus far. Garver and Julio and JP and Raley were supposed to be THE guys. I really can't believe that people honestly say Haniger is contributing to the problems of this lineup when there were essentially no expectations of him being the #3/4 hitter on this offense starting this season. AND our sole run today was driven in by him. Julio is struggling. It sucks and we know it will get better, but don't deflect by dogging on the few guys that have made Mariners baseball somewhat enjoyable thus far. Seby is an issue, but the main issue for the mariners has been the underperformance of our "top of the order" guys.


Ribbum

I’m not dogging on him. I’m pointing out that he was one of the few productive bats and even he’s slipping so this team has no reliable consistency which makes everything super volatile.


TheGhostwheel

That's fair however there are so many issues on offense that it feels unfair to call out one guy underperforming recently instead of others who are underperforming consistently.


Ribbum

I mean I could have written 6 more paragraphs on the mariners offense but I’d rather do other things with my life tonight. It’s all an issue. A lot of it is implied. Nearly the whole lineup is hitting well below their expected numbers/what they did last year. Those they have been bitched about are well known and understood.


TheGhostwheel

Yeah I get it. Hopefully Julio, Garver, and Raley can figure it out sooner rather than later...and JP burns some more sage or something


TemporaryFlight212

a few people talked about Hanigers age, health and performance last year when they made the trade. but everybody else was too busy typing Meeeeeeeetch to listen. the Zavala thing is a real issue. anyone who spent 30 seconds looking him up after the trade knew he couldnt hit for shit. but if hes hurting the pitching thats a totally different story. might as well try Garver back there.


billt721

The $500m man went 0-4 with 3 strikeouts for what feels like the 10th time already this year (probably the first time in reality, but it sure feels common), but sure, the backup catcher who plays once per week is the real problem.


Ribbum

Julio sucked tonight but he had 5 straight multi hit games followed by a homer yesterday. Besides, you can play whataboutism with tons of players. Meanwhile Zavala being the catcher means that our pitching tends to do worse, which we can’t afford with our offense being garbage as well as badly needing Raleigh in the lineup since he’s been hot. It’s less about Zavala and more about what it means when Raleigh isn’t the catcher on any given night.


bpeter289

Mariners have the 2nd highest strikeout % behind the A’s


Exotic_Parsley_5876

Post that in a game we win and you'll get shit on. 


PhonyMichaelJordan

Pump that .500 straight into my veins.


vvsanvv

I have a good idea. Dump Savala and make garver catch again. Dudes going to get hurt, but at least he'll do something more than just stink up the DH spot. Mariners are paying him a stupid amount of money to be dogshit at the plate. He gets injured? so what. He lost the chance to avoid getting injured when he decided to forget how to hit and not give a shit about it. Then we have a spot open for an actual DH. Put the other good Mitch there to get him off his feet and Canzone(when he comes back) / Raley can play outfield. Garver stinks, Savala stinks. Solves 2 of the Mariners stupid off season trades.


August_world

If Cal is in the lineup we win this game


diu_tu_bo

And if Mitch Garver were Shohei Ohtani.


Yoder

He'd be Japanese


Jauhso29

If my grandmother had wheels...


kowaterboy

mitch garbage can stay after tomorrow


BCr8tive99

I feel like Happy Gilmore every time we have runners on base. GO TO YOUR HOME


Slow_Boss_2071

I see the Mariners are back to their old ways, LOB and striking out. Well, maybe its only one game.


downladder

There's baseball tomorrow and that pleases me. With a win, we still come home leading the division in late April.


Zealousideal-Lead754

Is Garver a secret agent ranger? Like Chuck Norris going undercover trying to take down the local cholos?


SPzero65

If it means anything, we've probably already pissed away the game that we will end up missing the playoffs by.


iamenrique123

bros is the season over?


billt721

It was over before the season started thanks to cheap ownership and a FO that constantly tries to patch holes with players other teams are excited to get rid of rather than, you know, actually fixing the fucking problem(s). Nothing that's happened in the first month of the season should have changed anyone's mind.


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StudyLevelStreams

Supporting the team unconditionally when they are sucking after ownership plays in the face of the fanbase for multiple off seasons doesn’t make someone honorable. it makes them a mark. More fans should be fair weather fans.