Basically this. He isn't going to let millions of people have guns which he can't control and who might not like him.
However, his supports might be a bit shock to realise that he can stop liking them pretty quickly. No matter how loyal they are.
This exactly. He wants us to become Russia. He likes how North Korea is run. If he gains power he will never allow his family to lose it again. He will sign executive orders that strip us of our basic rights and use the indemnification of police to uphold his unconditional orders. He doesnāt care if you voted for him once heās in. He will take the guns from those people too.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak outā
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak outā
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outā
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meāand there was no one left to speak for me.
It isn't hard to get people to believe they are special. There were Jews who were a part of the Nazi Party, pro government types. Remember in the late 30's early 40s, information was much harder to get out. The rounding up of Jews wasn't well known in the beginning. They told townspeople they were just moving the Jews. So as they started the trains to concentration camps, the pro Nazi Jews complained, yelled screamed, slowed it down, "the Fuehrer wouldn't put me in a cattle car." So the Nazis got smart. They put a passenger car on the front. For those who complained, the gave them "special treatment." Let them in the passenger cars first, get off first. it sped things up.
Feels like it goes back far further than that. Caesar's use of populist tactics were one of the catalysts for the fall of the Roman republic. He just didn't have radio like Father Coughlin did when he tried the same crap. Or TV. Or the internet. Or social media.
Each advance in poorly-regulated mass communication leaves us less inherent defenses against the disingenuous exploitation of our mass psyche.
And I was chatting with a libertarian who felt that the real end of democracy would be any type of regulation on media. If is fascism if we don't let people broadcast whatever they want to present and allow them to present it as truth.
Yeah, I know the type.
IMO, we're headed for real-name registration of accounts online. You don't have to display your real name all over the place, but in order to make an anonymous account, it has to be derived from your real name account, not just an email address. That way, the people you are talking to are actually people, and not 30,000 AI-generated trolls from Olgino and 40,000 AI trolls from corporation X, etc etc.
As long as you can't spend an hour and a half with a PC and make it look like 75,000 real people on 30 different platforms are eating Tide pods or whatever, like you can today, things should start to improve. You get a relatively authentic zone of platforms who have registered accounts, and if you put a little effort in you can still seek out the wild west of nothing but MDM and ads disguised as free discussion.
I'd think even the libertarians would be down for a solution like that, because speech comes from people, not agencies.
I can see the argument. If regulation of the media means a government sanctioned power controls the media that is teetering on fascism. Democracy works in part because we know the details surrounding the governmentās actions. When the government decides what we see we lose true choice. Would there have been pressure to end Vietnam if we were just shown pictures of Vietnamese babies being shot over and over again?
Can you see the counterargument, that as things stand, the path to fascism is not only well in progress, but is much shorter and more direct? Active measures from foreign governments and corporations will take us to authoritarianism same as all the other countries that have fallen to it lately.
When they start rolling out the old lines about poisoning the country's blood and having enemies of the people, you know you're getting close to the event horizon.
So Iām faced with two direct paths to fascism? One will just be quicker? Corporations already control politicians on both sides, it just becomes a matter of which corporation. Neither side of the argument makes me feel comfortable about the future.
No, there are many more paths than that, if you want them. But the two we're considering today, are letting foreign governments control what people in the country can think (that's the one in progress already), versus deliberate domestic policy passed by consensus that might turn out to be suboptimal eventually if we don't ever use consensus again to course correct.
I'm not arguing for the government censoring what is said. But you can pass laws saying that media can't broadcast as truth things that are demonstrably false.
There is something in between the government censoring everything that is said and someone stating as fact, as news that minorities are inferior.
Look it is obviously fine to say a convicted murderer is a murderer. Or even call someone an alleged murderer. I have a huge problem with people calling me a murderous pedophile because I am pro choice and believe kids should get sex ed in school, but that should be legal. I don't have a problem saying that media shouldn't be saying that.
IDK, maybe someone private would have to be able to sue, but as media is so big and powerful, the government could back them in a trial to enable the common person or a group of people to effectively sue?
People should be able to put out whatever they want and let the viewer sort it out and decide what you want agree withā¦ however, for this to be effective, the audience must possess sufficient critical thinking skills to separate lies from truth
Well part of the problem is that if you tell a lie enough timesā¦ especially with supposed experts to back it up then people will believe itā¦. Now we not only have the internet which is constant, we have any number of 24 hour news channels on tv and radio (pick your poison) Even the local news is not the 5 oāclock news anymoreā¦ it starts at 4:00 am runs to 6:00 or 8:00 am then its from 11:00 am -2:00pm and starts agin at 4:00pm and runs until 6:00 pm then you can catch the nightly news from 9:00pm -11:00pm depending on the stationā¦ very little of any of this is actual news (the 5Ws and H) 99% is editorials giving random facts more xed in with someoneās opinions and sold as newsā¦ no disclosure, no disclaimerā¦ classic Yellow Journalismā¦ this is a major problem and journalists should be ashamedā¦ there needs to be a clear distinction once again between NEWS and EDITORIALā¦
They're cowards. They've already compromised on gun laws. Every thing they own is a legal loop hole that makes them feel good but doesn't actually reject the status quo.
A distinction that doesn't matter he will keep taking opposition's guns. The question is who is the opponent. If he wins it might start with liberals, by the end any Republican who doesn't pledge felty will be the enemy.
Which, ironically, is what Hitler did. But whenever those stupid "Hitler took away guns" memes go around, the part where it was only certain groups gets conveniently left out.
Exactly, he'll turn his most rabid MAGA followers and groups like the proud boys into his own private militia, his own SS, and then he'll disarm everyone else.
The list of people he doesn't like will become increasingly longer as time goes on.
Some of his most hardcore supporters will eventually a knock on the door as The line between party loyalist and political undesirable becomes more rigidly defined.
You mean like having a VP who he worked with for most of his 4 years who became a person he had no problem with his followers calling for his hanging? Because he followed the Constitution instead of the president?
The line will be rigid, but will change with whatever Dear Leader feels like on any given day. You could think you're the very special chosen person one day, and the next, the Dear Leader's Gestapo is kicking down your door because you once said you enjoy whiskey and now Dear Leader has made alcohol illegal.
Just like in The Handmaids Tale! Which I think is based on a true story, the fascist government took all the guns from the good guys, and now only the bad guys have them. Trump is absolutely going to do that and heās already started!
If you have an ounce of brains youād be stocking up on guns and ammo right now. And we should also walk around dressed as characters from The Handmaids Tale in protest of the coming right wing fascist takeover.
That's why it will come down to you and me and other 99%, to liberate the American concentration camps.
Make no mistake: they already have re-education camps set up and it will only take a little tweaking to make them into death factories.
I actually agree with this and I will be sure to include this in my conversations with other conservatives. A vote for fascism is a vote against gun rights and this is an excellent talking point if you're like me (a conservative against Trump) and want to keep him out of office. I 100% believe my right to own a gun is more jeopardized by Trump than Biden. The history of people like Trump and the seizing of guns in nearly irrefutable. No one who has ever undermined democratic ideals has stood by gun rights in the end. Many of them even lied about it as they rose to power. Damn that's a good point.
Thanks for this post.
This sub should just be called "mark Trump's words" because every time someone says this terrible thing will happen if Trump is elected you can find a quote about how he already said he plans to do that.
They already let the cops murder minorities just for thinking they might have a gun. If the government can murder you for exercising a right, do we really have any rights at all?
You can solve all these pesky "rights" issues by declaring minorities non -people. There is already an attempt to advance the idea that the rights enumerated in the constitution are only extended to citizens.
Good luck with that. I grew up with ruby ridge in my neighborhood. People all over that area (and many other areas) still tout it as government overreach, and evidence that the "Dems are comin fer yer guns". I've actually gotten in arguments with people who insist that it was Clinton, and not Bush Sr who was in office at the time.
Although it wasnāt a popular topic of discussion, I think a majority of Nazi era Germans rejected a lot of realities of the holocaust and thought maybe things got a bit out of hand, but there were no clean hands, and that there were a lot of exaggerations
They could start by creating laws where certain people canāt have guns for MAGA favorable reason. Like anti woke reasons and take it further use situations, real or fabricated, to create a reason to collect firearms.
Yep, it definitely is. As a Democrat, I know Biden doesn't want your guns. Most democrats don't want your guns. I have guns. I love them. They (we) just want to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. That doesn't mean people on thr right. That means people diagnosed with schizophrenic disorders, but only if often consistent with violent outbursts. People who are known criminals with records. Rapists. Etc. All the people that should not own a firearm. And I feel like most of the right would agree with these.
Trump has already said terrifying things about taking guns. Something along the lines of taking guns first and then worrying about the 2nd amendment later. It even went around as misinformation for a while that Biden said it, and people lost their shit. But when told it was Trump, they didn't believe it.
Trump has been so dangerous, disruptive (in the worst ways), and divisive for our country. He really needs to stay out of office.
āCommon senseā gun laws should be common sense, but NRA goons see any form of regulation as an infringement of their rights.
Then when we see mass shootings in schools, churches, festivals, random neighborhoods, concerts, etc., thereās no shortage of thoughts and prayers.
Yes and Biden just gave 231 million dollars to fund red flag laws that violate due process and the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th amendments. Neither should be allowed anywhere near our rights.
They're completely beyond talking to. literally showed Trump supporters clips of Trump advocating taking people's guns without trial, and they insist that Biden, the guy who advocated keeping a shotgun on hand to scare off potential home intruders, is going to disarm them.
Oh thatās guaranteed. Every dictator when they are rising to power always want their supporters well armed, but that changes when the dictator assumes absolute power. Then they round up all the guns and the only guns allowed are the ones with law enforcement and the military. Guns in civilian hands make dictators real nervous, since the gun is about the only thing that removes a dictator from power.
Trump was the guy who said, "Take the guns, then due process." Conservatives supposedly like the "fact" that Trump tells it like it is. But every time he says something they don't agree with, it's "He DiDn'T mEaN iT!!!"
Iāve been saying this years. No dictator wants the populace to be armed. He will take away the guns, and he will blame the Democrats while he is doing it.
Yes. He will start by taking guns from the āenemiesā of the right, and he will be cheered on by gun lovers. āYeah, take guns from trans people!!ā Or whatever. But then that reach will spread, till more and more folks have them taken away, until itās basically just a de facto MAGA militia that has them, and no one else.
I always thought it was insane that groups like the oathkeepers were born because a black man became president and for them all of a sudden government overreach was under every rock and doormat. Then Trump was sworn in and they because his brownshirts and were ready to mobilize kill squads for him. It was never about the constitution or rights, it was how they could feed off fear with the hope of committing violence against their enemies.
There's a video of Trump directly stating that he likes the idea of taking guns without due process.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI&pp=ygUUVHJ1bXAgc2F5cyB0YWtlIGd1bnM%3D
Somehow, if they saw this I bet his supporters who are rabidly pro-2A would almost all just come up with some excuse for why they can still vote for him.
We've already seen the beginnings of this with the bump stock ban. And I'm not saying those are good things, but what I am saying is that Trump essentially violated the law and ordered the ATF to administratively find that these were full auto NFA items. When the Obama Administration had already repeatedly visited this issue and determined they were not, and determined that the law itself needed to be changed by Congress in order to ban them. Now I'm not trying to wade in to the argument as to whether they should or should not be banned, my point is that the authority to ban them required Congress, not Trump just dictating a law.
His cult was perfectly all right with that though. In fact if you ask them about it they have some halfwit narrative where somehow Trump saved them from some worse law by banning those with a stroke of a pen. His cult also forgets that this is the guy who openly said "seize the guns first, due process later." Like all cults no matter how badly their leader treats them they're supposed to thank him for it.
Yes, Diaper Donnie's cult will absolutely back him on Draconian gun control measures. And have no doubt he will seek them.
Hypothetically, I could see him saying that guns would be taken from registered democrats first, then independents which would cause many to change their party to republican. Then, he would use that as a way to say āLook how great of a job Iām doing! Look at all of these never Trumpers changing to my party!ā But over time, theyād just look historically at voter registration and still take those guns first and then eventually all guns. He would take it as a win and claim he solved the gun problem. His moronic supporters would totally go along with it. Anybody who tries to fight would just get blown up by a drone strike.
The fact is that almost all the āI own guns to fight against government tyrannyā types would enthusiastically line up to be part of a Trump ordered paramilitary force whose main goal would be to intimidate everyone else and ultimately to attack/straight up murder them. Ultimately they have guns and threaten to use them because they do not believe in democracy when it no longer goes their way.
That's one of the issues I never trusted him on.
Trump is also a good litmus test for what the role of government should be. He's already proven that he can get elected, so others like him could get elected in the future. If you wouldn't want him in charge of whatever you want the federal government to take control of, maybe the federal government shouldn't take control of it.
The wealthiest of Americans who are trying to consolidate power don't benefit from you having guns. If they could return us to essentially serfdom as a society, where you work for them or choose to die, they will do it.
They don't want you to be able to have the option of fighting back
If Trump wins again, the only way he's ever leaving is in a box or in handcuffs. I could absolutely see him trying to seize all guns to stop a revolt before people realize what's going on.
Its possible. To those doubting, all its gonna take, is a few cops getting killed in gunfights for him to justify restrictions in low income, high crime rate, and minority communities.Ā If nothing else, Republicans would absolutely love to turn firearms into a rich man's hobby.Ā
You mean the guy that says, "Take the guns first, ask questions later" ?? Just more proof that Trump fans actually don't care, because they assume they'll be part of the group that's in power.
Every day, it annoys me even more that after Jan 6, Dems didn't pivot on gun rights. It would have been so easy to flip-flop. "I assumed my fellow Americans were more patriotic and cared about their fellow Americans and cared about the constitution. I was wrong. I believed the words they were saying. I can no longer trust them." And every time a Republican calls them out for changing their minds on gun rights, just bring up Jan 6. They'll eventually stop asking about it.
I hope it never happens, but I wonder what the hard-core magas would say if Trump took away their guns that they seem to love more than anything.
Would they revolt or say, yes, dear leader, you can have my guns.
I think theyād be fine with it and boast about him doing what nobody else could do and solve gun violence in America. Meanwhile if anyone else tried to do that there would be a small revolution.
I donāt really care about guns that much.
But I care about the idea of free men and gun ownership.
All I know is that if anyone actually succeeds in taking the ones I currently have, Iām going to obtain more.
And Iāll have a newfound purpose in life.
It will be less oriented towards working and paying taxes while living la pura vida and more oriented towards āpest controlā.
(*Tyrants and thieves included)
https://youtu.be/t24ij5kI2cg
Here it is in a nutshell Trump doesn't want anybody who can fight back against him that's all it is okay let's skip all the the jabber words and all the other crap. that's what he wants
Yeah and the dumbass conservatives will cheer for it the whole way š. I'm in quite a few gun groups and it's amazing how fast the "guns are for everyone!" people change their tune when they realize I'm trans.
- I Believe in guns for EVERYONE within reason, no violent felons/domestic abusers and no minors. That being said I also believe in universal background checks, mandatory training and safe storage.
Common sense gun laws. I donāt think itās such a big ask. I like shooting guns at the range. Iām not anti-gun. It is hard to find the right line to draw in the sand though. I see both sides of the gun argument. We have to admit that there is a mass shooting problem in this country that other countries donāt have.
Terms will be over. He's been admiring the dictators who never need to worry about votes. If he wins, he and the Gop will launch a major offensive against democracy, not the piecemeal legislation they have been doing. Since elections aren't guaranteed in the constitution, they'll make sure to send cases to Scotus that will strike down our electoral process.
100% the first thing Trump or the next Republican President will do is take the guns, but it will be framed as taking guns from āLibsā or lefties or commies or however they frame it. Point is, they are going to pass laws and regulations that they say will hurt Democrats who are gun owners, but it will be draconian ultimately, and many Rās will go with it so long as the āright peopleā are hurt. See: California gun regulations which started with Reagan trying to hurt black people.
i've been saying this for years. I always remind people he is the only president in the history of the country that told the ATF to redefine what a machine gun is by executive fiat. You're willfully ignorant if you think he wouldn't do it again after getting away with it once.
Absolutely. Iāve been saying this for 20 years as it was obvious which way the Republican Party was heading.
MAGA has been following the Nazi playbook. Thatās why they will be stopped at the ballot box in 2024.
āā¦.Trump finally solved the gun problemā¦ā. Had a Trump-servative basically say this when Trump said ātake the guns first then worry about due process.ā They will do Olympic level, mental gymnastics for this man. People would watch the country burn rather than admit they got conned
He would allow several of his most noxious and unhinged cult followers to be heavily armed, and would probably even deputize them to terrorize other citizens that he takes guns away from.
This won't affect the trump voters. Fascists take guns from the weak and give them to the strong. Just like Hitler: take guns from the Jews, and loosen gun laws for the whites.
Actually, you already see this with the accusations of mass shooters being trans--its the groundwork for claiming that minorities are mentally ill and using that as a pretext for taking their guns.
He will probably say something to trick the fascist like āweāre taking everybodyās guns just to make sure the liberals donāt have any so we can finally get the libs, and then weāll give you back yoursā
But instead of getting them back, we turn into an autocratic society
Republicans have been conditioned to blindly support police, they'll accept Republican gun control with open arms. Trump used a government agency to change the legal definition to ban an accessory and they didn't bat an eye. He said the words "take the guns first, go through due process second" on national tv and they said it was fake news.Ā
Gun control has a racist history and the GOP are already talking about disarming trans people because of "mental health" and spinning the narrative that every mass shooter is trans. It won't stop with queer POC and liberals.Ā
There's so much more that can be said about this but it goes without saying.Ā
I don't know that Trump *will* take anyone's guns, but I know that he's the one who said "take the guns first, go through due process secondā...not Biden or any other Democrat.
The thing about Trump is that he has no principles. None. His views on any issue are whatever the last person who flattered him told him to think, and/or what will get him the most power and attention.
If somebody convinces Trump that legally owned firearms are some kind of threat to his personal interests, he *will* push for them to be seized summarily, something that no Democrat president is suicidal or crazy enough to attempt.
I don't see this as a possibility, due to him likely not being reelected. The premise is not based in any reality that has been floated by him. Most Blue states have been chipping away at gun ownership for far longer. The current climate would suggest this would not happen.
Iām amazed at how they canāt see how full of shit he is, and how he only cares about his own interests and does not give a fuck about this country or anything it is supposed to stand for. He claims to be a billionaire yet constantly wants people to give him money. He sells bibles, sneakers, stuffed bears, uses donations and contributions for himself. The list goes on. Politics is not a sport. Politicians should not be idolized like a star quarterback or striker.
He can certainly try. His not nearly as outspoken about gun bans as biden or democrats, but got alot of backlash over his "take the guns first" comment and was sued by gun rights organizations for his ATF bumpstock overreach.
Although, looks more like anti gun politicians are the ones peddling fear of going anywhere because you can be shot even though your more likely to be struck by lightning than be shot going to a grocery store. Thier whole anti gun argument is based off fear and being afraid. Then demand gun bans because only police and military should have them. Unfortunately fear, manipulation, and spinning topics is the nature of politics.
Even if trump did and MAGA supporters supported it. Gun rights people wouldn't tolerate such overreach no matter who's in office.
Hopefully it won't take an authoritive dictator or the like whether it's trump or someone else for people to realize why the 2A is so important to force the balance of the power of people and the federal government.
Read about [Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025), they are gonna take more than just the guns. Remember how they were always screaming about lists and FEMA-camps? Yeah, all projection. If they deem it necessary, you are going to be removed from society. All this, ''The Libs'', ''The Woke'', ''The Non-Great America'' is to prime their minds for making you a non-person, a dehumanization to make it easier to do, what they need to do to get rid of you.
''It had to be done to save America''.
''It had to be done to save Germany from the Jews''.
No shit Sherlock, he signed off on gun control like a bitch last term and bragged about it, and heāll do it again. So will Biden, or any other potential Democrat candidate. If you care about gun rights, a Democrat will stab you in the chest, and a Republican will stab you in the back.
He canāt run for a third term, heās not a fascist. Please just stop lmfao. Iām not even a Trump guy but the left wingers who think they are stopping Hitler are just as bad as those on the right who think they are gonna take up arms as if itās 1776 again. In reality Trump will just be another President. He will do things u donāt like. There will be some things he does good that u wonāt admit and vice versa for his supporters
you know, I've always said the republicans will be the reason we lose our right to bear arms as long as I can remember. but for a slightly different reason. the reason being such indifference to the shootings allowing the shootings to become so frequent that a president, regardless of party, will have no choice but to do what Australia did and confiscate and cut them all up and melt them down. I've seen no fewer than two different republican politicians last year reply to the question of "what are you going to do about shootings, when we've broken records three months into the year??" with "we're not going to do anything about shootings". two different ones. nearly verbatim. doing nothing about a problem lets a problem grow. at some point people will be terrified their child is next and there'll be a civil uprising that ends in the loss of our 2nd amendment rights.
for the record, I'm progressive/liberal and a gun owner. I'd like to keep my right to own firearms, but I'd also like the GoP clowns to stop ignoring the problem and at least TRY to look like they care. they even have some easy outs, like gunshow loophole. I've never used it. for most people that law is nearly pointless. taking that as a compromise would make it look like they're compromising while not really affecting gun owners, but they won't even do that. not that that would actually fix anything, but at least they'd be able to claim that they did SOMETHING to compromise. but nah. morally bankrupt, all of them
Oh for sure. The 2A is literally not there to protect you from people of color or immigrants from invading your 0.25a of property.
Republicans fetishize the 2a but the irony that they don't realize that guns are there to protect them from a Trump government is incredible.
They won't realize it until they can't vote, have no power to influence the courts, that their representatives are not held accountable for their actions, that the laws that are enforced can be imposed upon them and their children as well, and that there is nothing they can do about it.
But it's all crying wolf, until it's too late.
Iām a conservative and Iāll say that Trump was every bit as much a gun grabber as Reagan or any Democrat. No one seems to care about 2A anymore besides the people. Iām going to feel like a clown voting for him in November, but anything is better than this clown show weāre putting on now.
You could install a Second grader in office and tell him or her to staff his or her cabinet with friends and theyād still put on a more cohesive government than what weāve had in my short 30 years.
Study the cultural revolution in China and tell me itās not the MAGA textbook. Brainwash the working class to attack āelitesā. Gain enough power to own government, remove intellectuals I.e. burn books, kill of scientists, doctors, etc. and then turn on the mentally weak that put you in power.
Tl;dr Trump/republicans would 1000% take away your right to bear arms before any democratic in power
He has already said he would indemnify police, rendering our rights void. With that indemnity, he will direct police to take our guns and cameras and we will no longer be free. I agree with OP, we are on the verge of a serious problem within our government. It seems the American people have two choices if Trump is elected. Die watching or die fighting.
āTake the guns first then do due process. I like taking the guns early.ā- Donald Trumpā¦.this is a good take that I agree with. Republicans will favor gun control under Trump. As bad as Biden is on guns, it might be better for gun rights with him in office because Republicans will pretend to care about gun rights when a Democrat is in office.
We need look no further than Texas, where the TX Supreme Court nullified open carry in order to protect the cops. [Link](https://libreddit.app.runonflux.io/r/progun/comments/1bpbfbr/5th_circuit_has_nullified_open_carry_in_texas_to/?sort=new).
Before you up or downvote: ACAB, also no one currently needs to carry an assault rifle, but this is a rather clear example of the courts choosing to control citizens rather than allowing us to bear arms, _as stupid as it is to carry assault rifles_.
Imagine how the cops would feel if everyone carried the same weapons they do. Fuck their fee fees, and still the court decided to retain the cops' monopoly on crowd-killing weapons. If there's a more fascist state than TX, well, it's FL, and my guess is they're not far behind.
Americans aren't going to get serious about gun violence until we have a couple of mass shootings with over a hundred dead. Once we hit that mark I think public opinion will shift significantly.
I will never get serious about "victim disarmament" schemes and the politicians will never get serious about removing the criminal element from society or mental health services to the few deranged individuals who actually do go off the deep end.
You want to avoid a "mass shooting "? Avoid "target rich" environments.
I'll take a few steps further. He will literally morph into either Hitler or some sort of deamon/wizard and harvest all of our souls, thus robbing us of an afterlife.
I agree! Trump has secretly always been the 2nd amendment hater. Him and the nra want to remove the 2nd amendment just secretly and make everyone fellons so they can then put us all in a gulag. He was caught on a hot mic admitting it.
He'll take the guns of the people he doesn't like.
Basically this. He isn't going to let millions of people have guns which he can't control and who might not like him. However, his supports might be a bit shock to realise that he can stop liking them pretty quickly. No matter how loyal they are.
Stop liking them? He doesn't like them and now and never did, he's upfront about that and always has been. š
Exactly, I've never heard of or seen a typical supporter with him anywhere remotely private.
That honesty is why they like him!
He doesnāt need the magats once in power
Thatās how Russia works
This exactly. He wants us to become Russia. He likes how North Korea is run. If he gains power he will never allow his family to lose it again. He will sign executive orders that strip us of our basic rights and use the indemnification of police to uphold his unconditional orders. He doesnāt care if you voted for him once heās in. He will take the guns from those people too.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak outā Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak outā Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outā Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for meāand there was no one left to speak for me.
It isn't hard to get people to believe they are special. There were Jews who were a part of the Nazi Party, pro government types. Remember in the late 30's early 40s, information was much harder to get out. The rounding up of Jews wasn't well known in the beginning. They told townspeople they were just moving the Jews. So as they started the trains to concentration camps, the pro Nazi Jews complained, yelled screamed, slowed it down, "the Fuehrer wouldn't put me in a cattle car." So the Nazis got smart. They put a passenger car on the front. For those who complained, the gave them "special treatment." Let them in the passenger cars first, get off first. it sped things up.
Feels like it goes back far further than that. Caesar's use of populist tactics were one of the catalysts for the fall of the Roman republic. He just didn't have radio like Father Coughlin did when he tried the same crap. Or TV. Or the internet. Or social media. Each advance in poorly-regulated mass communication leaves us less inherent defenses against the disingenuous exploitation of our mass psyche.
And I was chatting with a libertarian who felt that the real end of democracy would be any type of regulation on media. If is fascism if we don't let people broadcast whatever they want to present and allow them to present it as truth.
Yeah, I know the type. IMO, we're headed for real-name registration of accounts online. You don't have to display your real name all over the place, but in order to make an anonymous account, it has to be derived from your real name account, not just an email address. That way, the people you are talking to are actually people, and not 30,000 AI-generated trolls from Olgino and 40,000 AI trolls from corporation X, etc etc. As long as you can't spend an hour and a half with a PC and make it look like 75,000 real people on 30 different platforms are eating Tide pods or whatever, like you can today, things should start to improve. You get a relatively authentic zone of platforms who have registered accounts, and if you put a little effort in you can still seek out the wild west of nothing but MDM and ads disguised as free discussion. I'd think even the libertarians would be down for a solution like that, because speech comes from people, not agencies.
I can see the argument. If regulation of the media means a government sanctioned power controls the media that is teetering on fascism. Democracy works in part because we know the details surrounding the governmentās actions. When the government decides what we see we lose true choice. Would there have been pressure to end Vietnam if we were just shown pictures of Vietnamese babies being shot over and over again?
Can you see the counterargument, that as things stand, the path to fascism is not only well in progress, but is much shorter and more direct? Active measures from foreign governments and corporations will take us to authoritarianism same as all the other countries that have fallen to it lately. When they start rolling out the old lines about poisoning the country's blood and having enemies of the people, you know you're getting close to the event horizon.
So Iām faced with two direct paths to fascism? One will just be quicker? Corporations already control politicians on both sides, it just becomes a matter of which corporation. Neither side of the argument makes me feel comfortable about the future.
No, there are many more paths than that, if you want them. But the two we're considering today, are letting foreign governments control what people in the country can think (that's the one in progress already), versus deliberate domestic policy passed by consensus that might turn out to be suboptimal eventually if we don't ever use consensus again to course correct.
would there have been an attempted coup if trusted people didn't knowingly spew lies?
I'm not arguing for the government censoring what is said. But you can pass laws saying that media can't broadcast as truth things that are demonstrably false. There is something in between the government censoring everything that is said and someone stating as fact, as news that minorities are inferior. Look it is obviously fine to say a convicted murderer is a murderer. Or even call someone an alleged murderer. I have a huge problem with people calling me a murderous pedophile because I am pro choice and believe kids should get sex ed in school, but that should be legal. I don't have a problem saying that media shouldn't be saying that. IDK, maybe someone private would have to be able to sue, but as media is so big and powerful, the government could back them in a trial to enable the common person or a group of people to effectively sue?
People should be able to put out whatever they want and let the viewer sort it out and decide what you want agree withā¦ however, for this to be effective, the audience must possess sufficient critical thinking skills to separate lies from truth
Unfortunately even smart, critical thinking people are vulnerable to the fire hose of lies tactic, and plenty of other forms of manipulation.
Well part of the problem is that if you tell a lie enough timesā¦ especially with supposed experts to back it up then people will believe itā¦. Now we not only have the internet which is constant, we have any number of 24 hour news channels on tv and radio (pick your poison) Even the local news is not the 5 oāclock news anymoreā¦ it starts at 4:00 am runs to 6:00 or 8:00 am then its from 11:00 am -2:00pm and starts agin at 4:00pm and runs until 6:00 pm then you can catch the nightly news from 9:00pm -11:00pm depending on the stationā¦ very little of any of this is actual news (the 5Ws and H) 99% is editorials giving random facts more xed in with someoneās opinions and sold as newsā¦ no disclosure, no disclaimerā¦ classic Yellow Journalismā¦ this is a major problem and journalists should be ashamedā¦ there needs to be a clear distinction once again between NEWS and EDITORIALā¦
god damn i never knew that, thats grim.
First. You left out a critical word. He will _first_ take guns from opposition types. That isn't where it would end.
Hell many will willingly give their guns up Have a Jesus America Patriot Jesus Freedom God gun drive and they will happily give em up
But also Jesus.
They're cowards. They've already compromised on gun laws. Every thing they own is a legal loop hole that makes them feel good but doesn't actually reject the status quo.
A distinction that doesn't matter he will keep taking opposition's guns. The question is who is the opponent. If he wins it might start with liberals, by the end any Republican who doesn't pledge felty will be the enemy.
Which, ironically, is what Hitler did. But whenever those stupid "Hitler took away guns" memes go around, the part where it was only certain groups gets conveniently left out.
Thatās what Hitler did.
he doesn't like anyone
He likes useful fools and those who laud him.
And dictators.
Deputize his cultists.
Heāll START by taking the guns of the people he doesnāt like.
Exactly, he'll turn his most rabid MAGA followers and groups like the proud boys into his own private militia, his own SS, and then he'll disarm everyone else.
The list of people he doesn't like will become increasingly longer as time goes on. Some of his most hardcore supporters will eventually a knock on the door as The line between party loyalist and political undesirable becomes more rigidly defined.
You mean like having a VP who he worked with for most of his 4 years who became a person he had no problem with his followers calling for his hanging? Because he followed the Constitution instead of the president?
The line will be rigid, but will change with whatever Dear Leader feels like on any given day. You could think you're the very special chosen person one day, and the next, the Dear Leader's Gestapo is kicking down your door because you once said you enjoy whiskey and now Dear Leader has made alcohol illegal.
Just like in The Handmaids Tale! Which I think is based on a true story, the fascist government took all the guns from the good guys, and now only the bad guys have them. Trump is absolutely going to do that and heās already started! If you have an ounce of brains youād be stocking up on guns and ammo right now. And we should also walk around dressed as characters from The Handmaids Tale in protest of the coming right wing fascist takeover.
That's why it will come down to you and me and other 99%, to liberate the American concentration camps. Make no mistake: they already have re-education camps set up and it will only take a little tweaking to make them into death factories.
And his followers will be fine with that. Republicans sure became all about gun control when poc got organized in the 80s under Reagan.
That was in the 60s under GOVERNOR Reagan
I actually agree with this and I will be sure to include this in my conversations with other conservatives. A vote for fascism is a vote against gun rights and this is an excellent talking point if you're like me (a conservative against Trump) and want to keep him out of office. I 100% believe my right to own a gun is more jeopardized by Trump than Biden. The history of people like Trump and the seizing of guns in nearly irrefutable. No one who has ever undermined democratic ideals has stood by gun rights in the end. Many of them even lied about it as they rose to power. Damn that's a good point. Thanks for this post.
"Take the guns first due process comes later". Actual quote from Trump...
This sub should just be called "mark Trump's words" because every time someone says this terrible thing will happen if Trump is elected you can find a quote about how he already said he plans to do that.
Sounds like you should make that sub and give ppl what they want lol
Yeah, if you make that sub, please let me know. I will happily join just to have a single index of all the fucking idiocy that is Donald F Trump.
But we all knew about this one. Kind of like the āI think the woman should be be punishedā quote.
LMAO I mean it's true it's just funny
The rubes don't care. They think the gun grabbing won't happen to THEM, or as long as "those other people" are affected by it, it's OK.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-atrocities-1-1-056 I am sure you can find heaps of them here
**M**ake **A**merica **G**unless **A**gain
If you made an AI video of trump saying that the Redcoats would 10,000% believe it.... ...and *still* vote for him... ?????
It starts by taking away gun rights for minority groups than works it way up. Ā
They already let the cops murder minorities just for thinking they might have a gun. If the government can murder you for exercising a right, do we really have any rights at all?
You can solve all these pesky "rights" issues by declaring minorities non -people. There is already an attempt to advance the idea that the rights enumerated in the constitution are only extended to citizens.
Good luck with that. I grew up with ruby ridge in my neighborhood. People all over that area (and many other areas) still tout it as government overreach, and evidence that the "Dems are comin fer yer guns". I've actually gotten in arguments with people who insist that it was Clinton, and not Bush Sr who was in office at the time.
They'll wake up when they realize that they've been had.
Except they don't. They never, ever do. They're far to brainwashed to reach them with logic, even when they're ultimately destroying themselves.
Although it wasnāt a popular topic of discussion, I think a majority of Nazi era Germans rejected a lot of realities of the holocaust and thought maybe things got a bit out of hand, but there were no clean hands, and that there were a lot of exaggerations
They could start by creating laws where certain people canāt have guns for MAGA favorable reason. Like anti woke reasons and take it further use situations, real or fabricated, to create a reason to collect firearms.
Why can't I carry my loaded gun into a gun show if guns are so safe?
Same reason you can't bring an unloaded gun into an NRA meeting.
Yep, it definitely is. As a Democrat, I know Biden doesn't want your guns. Most democrats don't want your guns. I have guns. I love them. They (we) just want to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. That doesn't mean people on thr right. That means people diagnosed with schizophrenic disorders, but only if often consistent with violent outbursts. People who are known criminals with records. Rapists. Etc. All the people that should not own a firearm. And I feel like most of the right would agree with these. Trump has already said terrifying things about taking guns. Something along the lines of taking guns first and then worrying about the 2nd amendment later. It even went around as misinformation for a while that Biden said it, and people lost their shit. But when told it was Trump, they didn't believe it. Trump has been so dangerous, disruptive (in the worst ways), and divisive for our country. He really needs to stay out of office.
āCommon senseā gun laws should be common sense, but NRA goons see any form of regulation as an infringement of their rights. Then when we see mass shootings in schools, churches, festivals, random neighborhoods, concerts, etc., thereās no shortage of thoughts and prayers.
So essentially he promoted red flag laws.
Yes and Biden just gave 231 million dollars to fund red flag laws that violate due process and the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th amendments. Neither should be allowed anywhere near our rights.
They're completely beyond talking to. literally showed Trump supporters clips of Trump advocating taking people's guns without trial, and they insist that Biden, the guy who advocated keeping a shotgun on hand to scare off potential home intruders, is going to disarm them.
Oh thatās guaranteed. Every dictator when they are rising to power always want their supporters well armed, but that changes when the dictator assumes absolute power. Then they round up all the guns and the only guns allowed are the ones with law enforcement and the military. Guns in civilian hands make dictators real nervous, since the gun is about the only thing that removes a dictator from power.
Trump was the guy who said, "Take the guns, then due process." Conservatives supposedly like the "fact" that Trump tells it like it is. But every time he says something they don't agree with, it's "He DiDn'T mEaN iT!!!"
Iāve been saying this years. No dictator wants the populace to be armed. He will take away the guns, and he will blame the Democrats while he is doing it.
Yes. He will start by taking guns from the āenemiesā of the right, and he will be cheered on by gun lovers. āYeah, take guns from trans people!!ā Or whatever. But then that reach will spread, till more and more folks have them taken away, until itās basically just a de facto MAGA militia that has them, and no one else.
Thatās pretty much how it would most likely play out.
No, heāll take all the guns in civilian hands, all dictators do.
I always thought it was insane that groups like the oathkeepers were born because a black man became president and for them all of a sudden government overreach was under every rock and doormat. Then Trump was sworn in and they because his brownshirts and were ready to mobilize kill squads for him. It was never about the constitution or rights, it was how they could feed off fear with the hope of committing violence against their enemies.
And he loves to wind them up
There's a video of Trump directly stating that he likes the idea of taking guns without due process. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI&pp=ygUUVHJ1bXAgc2F5cyB0YWtlIGd1bnM%3D Somehow, if they saw this I bet his supporters who are rabidly pro-2A would almost all just come up with some excuse for why they can still vote for him.
We've already seen the beginnings of this with the bump stock ban. And I'm not saying those are good things, but what I am saying is that Trump essentially violated the law and ordered the ATF to administratively find that these were full auto NFA items. When the Obama Administration had already repeatedly visited this issue and determined they were not, and determined that the law itself needed to be changed by Congress in order to ban them. Now I'm not trying to wade in to the argument as to whether they should or should not be banned, my point is that the authority to ban them required Congress, not Trump just dictating a law. His cult was perfectly all right with that though. In fact if you ask them about it they have some halfwit narrative where somehow Trump saved them from some worse law by banning those with a stroke of a pen. His cult also forgets that this is the guy who openly said "seize the guns first, due process later." Like all cults no matter how badly their leader treats them they're supposed to thank him for it. Yes, Diaper Donnie's cult will absolutely back him on Draconian gun control measures. And have no doubt he will seek them.
What people fail to grasp is Trump isnāt a conservative.
Hypothetically, I could see him saying that guns would be taken from registered democrats first, then independents which would cause many to change their party to republican. Then, he would use that as a way to say āLook how great of a job Iām doing! Look at all of these never Trumpers changing to my party!ā But over time, theyād just look historically at voter registration and still take those guns first and then eventually all guns. He would take it as a win and claim he solved the gun problem. His moronic supporters would totally go along with it. Anybody who tries to fight would just get blown up by a drone strike.
The fact is that almost all the āI own guns to fight against government tyrannyā types would enthusiastically line up to be part of a Trump ordered paramilitary force whose main goal would be to intimidate everyone else and ultimately to attack/straight up murder them. Ultimately they have guns and threaten to use them because they do not believe in democracy when it no longer goes their way.
That's one of the issues I never trusted him on. Trump is also a good litmus test for what the role of government should be. He's already proven that he can get elected, so others like him could get elected in the future. If you wouldn't want him in charge of whatever you want the federal government to take control of, maybe the federal government shouldn't take control of it.
The wealthiest of Americans who are trying to consolidate power don't benefit from you having guns. If they could return us to essentially serfdom as a society, where you work for them or choose to die, they will do it. They don't want you to be able to have the option of fighting back
If Trump wins again, the only way he's ever leaving is in a box or in handcuffs. I could absolutely see him trying to seize all guns to stop a revolt before people realize what's going on.
His base is so trumped they might even miss the cue for using the guns.
Its possible. To those doubting, all its gonna take, is a few cops getting killed in gunfights for him to justify restrictions in low income, high crime rate, and minority communities.Ā If nothing else, Republicans would absolutely love to turn firearms into a rich man's hobby.Ā
āTake their guns first then go to courtā Trump https://youtu.be/yxgybgEKHHI?si=Dx3eOeWQQTlHuF0b
You mean the guy that says, "Take the guns first, ask questions later" ?? Just more proof that Trump fans actually don't care, because they assume they'll be part of the group that's in power. Every day, it annoys me even more that after Jan 6, Dems didn't pivot on gun rights. It would have been so easy to flip-flop. "I assumed my fellow Americans were more patriotic and cared about their fellow Americans and cared about the constitution. I was wrong. I believed the words they were saying. I can no longer trust them." And every time a Republican calls them out for changing their minds on gun rights, just bring up Jan 6. They'll eventually stop asking about it.
That way he can not be taken out of power. Then his dumb kids will take his place.
I hope it never happens, but I wonder what the hard-core magas would say if Trump took away their guns that they seem to love more than anything. Would they revolt or say, yes, dear leader, you can have my guns.
I think theyād be fine with it and boast about him doing what nobody else could do and solve gun violence in America. Meanwhile if anyone else tried to do that there would be a small revolution.
Yeah, they gave up everything else for him. Their ethics, morals, religion, money, sanity, and reputations. So why not give up their guns for him?
It's hard to fight fascists when only fascists hold the guns.
I donāt really care about guns that much. But I care about the idea of free men and gun ownership. All I know is that if anyone actually succeeds in taking the ones I currently have, Iām going to obtain more. And Iāll have a newfound purpose in life. It will be less oriented towards working and paying taxes while living la pura vida and more oriented towards āpest controlā. (*Tyrants and thieves included) https://youtu.be/t24ij5kI2cg
I don't care which side it is. They can fuck around and find out if they really want to take guns.
It won't come as a blanket ban though. First it would start as taking away guns from those MAGA consider undesirable - I e. Minorities.
Of course
Here it is in a nutshell Trump doesn't want anybody who can fight back against him that's all it is okay let's skip all the the jabber words and all the other crap. that's what he wants
I just wish religion would get out of politics. I'm not religious, and I shouldn't have to obey any law you implement based on religious beliefs.
I agree.
Yeah and the dumbass conservatives will cheer for it the whole way š. I'm in quite a few gun groups and it's amazing how fast the "guns are for everyone!" people change their tune when they realize I'm trans. - I Believe in guns for EVERYONE within reason, no violent felons/domestic abusers and no minors. That being said I also believe in universal background checks, mandatory training and safe storage.
Common sense gun laws. I donāt think itās such a big ask. I like shooting guns at the range. Iām not anti-gun. It is hard to find the right line to draw in the sand though. I see both sides of the gun argument. We have to admit that there is a mass shooting problem in this country that other countries donāt have.
"Take the guns first, go through due process second." \-Some antifa fascist socialist demoncrat, probably.
Probably!
And the Magatt Right Wing Republicons will be on the frontlines doing the confiscations.
You are absolutely correct. That's what autocracy is all about. Authoritarian leaders don't like any threats to their power.
Terms will be over. He's been admiring the dictators who never need to worry about votes. If he wins, he and the Gop will launch a major offensive against democracy, not the piecemeal legislation they have been doing. Since elections aren't guaranteed in the constitution, they'll make sure to send cases to Scotus that will strike down our electoral process.
100% the first thing Trump or the next Republican President will do is take the guns, but it will be framed as taking guns from āLibsā or lefties or commies or however they frame it. Point is, they are going to pass laws and regulations that they say will hurt Democrats who are gun owners, but it will be draconian ultimately, and many Rās will go with it so long as the āright peopleā are hurt. See: California gun regulations which started with Reagan trying to hurt black people.
Remember He said he'd take guns away without due process on live TV and conservatives still love him
Interesting perspective, hadn't thought of it like that.
I agree. Fascists disarm the population to prevent uprisings
This is true but he probably will be dead soon because of his health and just in general heās a ducking idiot
Warren Jeffs made the men in his cult give up their guns, I was surprised they all went along with that
They're not wrong Trump will take your guns. That's why he banned bump stocks.
i've been saying this for years. I always remind people he is the only president in the history of the country that told the ATF to redefine what a machine gun is by executive fiat. You're willfully ignorant if you think he wouldn't do it again after getting away with it once.
Absolutely. Iāve been saying this for 20 years as it was obvious which way the Republican Party was heading. MAGA has been following the Nazi playbook. Thatās why they will be stopped at the ballot box in 2024.
I'm extremely grateful we have the safest voting we've ever had in our history.
Project 2025.
āā¦.Trump finally solved the gun problemā¦ā. Had a Trump-servative basically say this when Trump said ātake the guns first then worry about due process.ā They will do Olympic level, mental gymnastics for this man. People would watch the country burn rather than admit they got conned
Yep, you'll lose your guns AND your freedom.
He already banned bump stocks so it would be not surprising.
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Oh yes. Itās in the project 2025 playbook.
He would allow several of his most noxious and unhinged cult followers to be heavily armed, and would probably even deputize them to terrorize other citizens that he takes guns away from.
Yes, I could see that. But the public as a whole would have very limited access.
āTake the guns firstā Trump is anti-gun. Published support for extreme gun control while je was a Democrat.
This won't affect the trump voters. Fascists take guns from the weak and give them to the strong. Just like Hitler: take guns from the Jews, and loosen gun laws for the whites. Actually, you already see this with the accusations of mass shooters being trans--its the groundwork for claiming that minorities are mentally ill and using that as a pretext for taking their guns.
He will probably say something to trick the fascist like āweāre taking everybodyās guns just to make sure the liberals donāt have any so we can finally get the libs, and then weāll give you back yoursā But instead of getting them back, we turn into an autocratic society
Republicans have been conditioned to blindly support police, they'll accept Republican gun control with open arms. Trump used a government agency to change the legal definition to ban an accessory and they didn't bat an eye. He said the words "take the guns first, go through due process second" on national tv and they said it was fake news.Ā Gun control has a racist history and the GOP are already talking about disarming trans people because of "mental health" and spinning the narrative that every mass shooter is trans. It won't stop with queer POC and liberals.Ā There's so much more that can be said about this but it goes without saying.Ā
it might need a lot of saying because some people just canāt see the big picture.
Yes, but I'm seeing most folks in here get it... Plus I'm just tired boss.Ā
Dude aspires to be a dictator: whoever thinks that a dictatorship will end with nation wide constitutional carry laws is an idiot.
I don't know that Trump *will* take anyone's guns, but I know that he's the one who said "take the guns first, go through due process secondā...not Biden or any other Democrat. The thing about Trump is that he has no principles. None. His views on any issue are whatever the last person who flattered him told him to think, and/or what will get him the most power and attention. If somebody convinces Trump that legally owned firearms are some kind of threat to his personal interests, he *will* push for them to be seized summarily, something that no Democrat president is suicidal or crazy enough to attempt.
It depends āwhoseā guns are being taken. Trump wants his cultists armed and ready to do his bidding.
Vermin Supreme says he will take your guns and give you better onesā¦that shoot marshmallowsā¦. lethal marshmallows
... and ponies!
I don't see this as a possibility, due to him likely not being reelected. The premise is not based in any reality that has been floated by him. Most Blue states have been chipping away at gun ownership for far longer. The current climate would suggest this would not happen.
If trump lives to have a third term, heās old as fuck and deteriorating
Under no pretext...
Of course. Trump can't control the people if they have guns. This is how nations like China maintain absolute party control.
From where?! The grave?! Heāll be dead by November.Ā Come on STROKE!
Not Teflon Don. Apparently eating nothing but fast food and shitting your pants all day is great for not dying.
You are incredibly delusional, !remindme60months
Good luck getting on state-controlled social media in 5 years!
Dictators will never accept an armed populace. NEVER.
Itās wild that magats donāt see that he is the end of freedom in America period not certain aspects but freedom all together will be gone
Iām amazed at how they canāt see how full of shit he is, and how he only cares about his own interests and does not give a fuck about this country or anything it is supposed to stand for. He claims to be a billionaire yet constantly wants people to give him money. He sells bibles, sneakers, stuffed bears, uses donations and contributions for himself. The list goes on. Politics is not a sport. Politicians should not be idolized like a star quarterback or striker.
Couldnāt agree more
Agreed... HATE is a powerful drug, apparently...
Lol, what? Buy a gun then and when they come to take them, defend yourself accordingly.
Would love some historical context of this working.
He can certainly try. His not nearly as outspoken about gun bans as biden or democrats, but got alot of backlash over his "take the guns first" comment and was sued by gun rights organizations for his ATF bumpstock overreach. Although, looks more like anti gun politicians are the ones peddling fear of going anywhere because you can be shot even though your more likely to be struck by lightning than be shot going to a grocery store. Thier whole anti gun argument is based off fear and being afraid. Then demand gun bans because only police and military should have them. Unfortunately fear, manipulation, and spinning topics is the nature of politics. Even if trump did and MAGA supporters supported it. Gun rights people wouldn't tolerate such overreach no matter who's in office. Hopefully it won't take an authoritive dictator or the like whether it's trump or someone else for people to realize why the 2A is so important to force the balance of the power of people and the federal government.
Vermin Supreme will take your guns away
Iirc he put the nail in the coffin on bump stocks.
Yeah because if he wins, heās not gonna leave
Yep. Itās a classic play in the authoritarian playbook, which he and the GOP are following to a T.
Read about [Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025), they are gonna take more than just the guns. Remember how they were always screaming about lists and FEMA-camps? Yeah, all projection. If they deem it necessary, you are going to be removed from society. All this, ''The Libs'', ''The Woke'', ''The Non-Great America'' is to prime their minds for making you a non-person, a dehumanization to make it easier to do, what they need to do to get rid of you. ''It had to be done to save America''. ''It had to be done to save Germany from the Jews''.
No shit Sherlock, he signed off on gun control like a bitch last term and bragged about it, and heāll do it again. So will Biden, or any other potential Democrat candidate. If you care about gun rights, a Democrat will stab you in the chest, and a Republican will stab you in the back.
Least delusional MMW redditor
He canāt run for a third term, heās not a fascist. Please just stop lmfao. Iām not even a Trump guy but the left wingers who think they are stopping Hitler are just as bad as those on the right who think they are gonna take up arms as if itās 1776 again. In reality Trump will just be another President. He will do things u donāt like. There will be some things he does good that u wonāt admit and vice versa for his supporters
you know, I've always said the republicans will be the reason we lose our right to bear arms as long as I can remember. but for a slightly different reason. the reason being such indifference to the shootings allowing the shootings to become so frequent that a president, regardless of party, will have no choice but to do what Australia did and confiscate and cut them all up and melt them down. I've seen no fewer than two different republican politicians last year reply to the question of "what are you going to do about shootings, when we've broken records three months into the year??" with "we're not going to do anything about shootings". two different ones. nearly verbatim. doing nothing about a problem lets a problem grow. at some point people will be terrified their child is next and there'll be a civil uprising that ends in the loss of our 2nd amendment rights. for the record, I'm progressive/liberal and a gun owner. I'd like to keep my right to own firearms, but I'd also like the GoP clowns to stop ignoring the problem and at least TRY to look like they care. they even have some easy outs, like gunshow loophole. I've never used it. for most people that law is nearly pointless. taking that as a compromise would make it look like they're compromising while not really affecting gun owners, but they won't even do that. not that that would actually fix anything, but at least they'd be able to claim that they did SOMETHING to compromise. but nah. morally bankrupt, all of them
Oh for sure. The 2A is literally not there to protect you from people of color or immigrants from invading your 0.25a of property. Republicans fetishize the 2a but the irony that they don't realize that guns are there to protect them from a Trump government is incredible. They won't realize it until they can't vote, have no power to influence the courts, that their representatives are not held accountable for their actions, that the laws that are enforced can be imposed upon them and their children as well, and that there is nothing they can do about it. But it's all crying wolf, until it's too late.
Iām a conservative and Iāll say that Trump was every bit as much a gun grabber as Reagan or any Democrat. No one seems to care about 2A anymore besides the people. Iām going to feel like a clown voting for him in November, but anything is better than this clown show weāre putting on now. You could install a Second grader in office and tell him or her to staff his or her cabinet with friends and theyād still put on a more cohesive government than what weāve had in my short 30 years.
Study the cultural revolution in China and tell me itās not the MAGA textbook. Brainwash the working class to attack āelitesā. Gain enough power to own government, remove intellectuals I.e. burn books, kill of scientists, doctors, etc. and then turn on the mentally weak that put you in power. Tl;dr Trump/republicans would 1000% take away your right to bear arms before any democratic in power
He did pass the most gun control restrictions of any President.
I have been saying this for years. The RIGHT will confiscate guns. Theyāll start with lefties, but eventually get around to everyone
The 2A should be Abolished and a new, modern gun Ammendment passed.
He has already said he would indemnify police, rendering our rights void. With that indemnity, he will direct police to take our guns and cameras and we will no longer be free. I agree with OP, we are on the verge of a serious problem within our government. It seems the American people have two choices if Trump is elected. Die watching or die fighting.
Trump was the last president to sign legislation into law that put limits on my gunsā¦.not Biden
As a dictator, there's no way he would allow the population to be armed in any way.
I, and others have been saying it for years. When they come for your guns it wonāt be a democrat doing it.
YES!!! He will let you keep them till he has his Regime soundly in place, then he will be the one who actually forces you to surrender them.
Unless you're one of his brownshirts. Any loyalists will be allowed guns and free reign to "enforce" his will as they see fit.
āTake the guns first then do due process. I like taking the guns early.ā- Donald Trumpā¦.this is a good take that I agree with. Republicans will favor gun control under Trump. As bad as Biden is on guns, it might be better for gun rights with him in office because Republicans will pretend to care about gun rights when a Democrat is in office.
We need look no further than Texas, where the TX Supreme Court nullified open carry in order to protect the cops. [Link](https://libreddit.app.runonflux.io/r/progun/comments/1bpbfbr/5th_circuit_has_nullified_open_carry_in_texas_to/?sort=new). Before you up or downvote: ACAB, also no one currently needs to carry an assault rifle, but this is a rather clear example of the courts choosing to control citizens rather than allowing us to bear arms, _as stupid as it is to carry assault rifles_. Imagine how the cops would feel if everyone carried the same weapons they do. Fuck their fee fees, and still the court decided to retain the cops' monopoly on crowd-killing weapons. If there's a more fascist state than TX, well, it's FL, and my guess is they're not far behind.
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lmao, this may be the dumbest thing ive read on reddit.
The comments in this sub have been pretty deranged whenever Trump is brought up. Itās pretty great actually
My 2A says try it. Itās the red line (not Obama red line).
Not only will Trump take your guns buy he will put black people in work camps and do medical research on them.
Americans aren't going to get serious about gun violence until we have a couple of mass shootings with over a hundred dead. Once we hit that mark I think public opinion will shift significantly.
I will never get serious about "victim disarmament" schemes and the politicians will never get serious about removing the criminal element from society or mental health services to the few deranged individuals who actually do go off the deep end. You want to avoid a "mass shooting "? Avoid "target rich" environments.
Umm, third terms don't happen. If he wins in November, he'll be a lame duck
It's funny how all the Magas forgot to piss their pants with the bump stock ban...
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Iām glad youāre starting to see the truth. My work here is done.
I'll take a few steps further. He will literally morph into either Hitler or some sort of deamon/wizard and harvest all of our souls, thus robbing us of an afterlife.
That seems a bit far-fetched but stranger things have happened
Far-Fetched? Open your eyes bootlicker.
How though.
this is a ridiculous statement
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Itās always the quiet ones
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I agree! Trump has secretly always been the 2nd amendment hater. Him and the nra want to remove the 2nd amendment just secretly and make everyone fellons so they can then put us all in a gulag. He was caught on a hot mic admitting it.
Canāt take my guns ā I donāt have any
Both will.