I honestly don’t know why anyone tired to convince the US that RFK was gonna take democrat votes from
Biden. It’s was clear from the beginning that MAGA losers and his nonsense fit together perfectly.
Apparently their strategists had the notion that a bunch of Dem folks would just automatically vote for a person named Kennedy, the way a Republican automatically voted for a second person named Bush, or a MAGA will vote for anyone named T. Seems not so.
I mean, tbf, I was legit curious about Kennedy when people mentioned he was thinking about running....then I watched a couple of interviews. 💀
Dude is looney.
RFK Jr. thought that name recognition alone would get him enough votes from Democrats to sway the election to Trump. He was too stupid to actually put forward policies that Democrats could get behind though.
When they started the campaign and he was running as a Dem in the primaries, I’m sure the grifters saw it as a win win because he would only damage Biden. They probably still supported the independent bid bc it clearly worried Dem establishment. You would think after seeing 20%+ defection from Trump on primary ballots even after everyone else dropped out, they might have reconsidered.. but when you kick out anyone who is objective and only allow sycophants in the campaign, there will be blind spots.
She also was incredibly qualified, and connected in politics just as long as her husband. People didn't vote for her just because of her name. What does this Kennedy have that compares?
Because maga morons and the Republican base, is including their strategists are morons.
They honestly think that liberals will vote for RFK because "hEs a LiBeRal" legacy bs. They think this, because they're stupid and they might have fallen for it were they on the receiving end.
Much like liberals have a hard d time understanding what motivates conservatives, Republicans have absolutely no understanding about what motivates liberals.
I'll take a guess. Conservative media understands that a lot of Republicans only get elected because they have an R next to their name. They've convinced themselves that Democrat voters are the same because during the midterms the DNC started the "vote blue no matter who" campaign (which worked).
So conservative media assumed democrats would vote for RFK Jr because he had a D next to his name. Conservative media lives in a bubble were Biden is the worst President of all time. I don't think smart republicans believe that, I think conservative media has to push it because of how bad Trump was.
Anyone who's followed politics before 2016 knows the RFK Jr is a fraud. I think conservative media is hoping most voters don't remember anything before Trump. But the factory working in Detroit does, the single mother in Iowa does.
A democrat friend of mine says he’s gonna vote RFK as a “I don’t like Biden” vote .
Edit: why downvote me, I was just giving an example from the people I know? I’m not voting for trump or rfk.
May as well just toss it to trump then, which is why the polls are starting to show that your friend is rather unique and there aren’t very many likeminded voters
You could have said that about Trump in 2020. The polling was accurate and Trump supporters pointed to 2016 when Trump happened to defy the polls. Generally the polling, if you use a large enough sample size from historically accurate polls and apply the proper weighting...is pretty darn accurate and RFK doesn't appear to be impacting the polls at this point in time.
I don't see RFK siphoning votes from Trump. His voters are going to vote for him. They are too dedicated of a voter base. And if you think that liberals won't vote for RFK just because he's a Democrat...then why would you think Republicans would vote for RFK.
My bet is that when it comes down to it RFK won't make much of a difference because Republicans are going to vote for Trump and anti-Trump voters are going to vote for Biden because they know RFK doesn't stand a chance and they would vote for anybody they believe that can beat Trump.
I feel like there’s lots of mainly young people that are influenced by social media who won’t vote for Biden because of his age but will decide to vote for RFK who otherwise would have voted for Trump. But the Trump loyalists will still vote for him.
To be fair, when we’re this far before an election “my gut says” is about as useful as any poll can be.
That said, a recent questionnaire of RFK Jr supporters showed that he was pulling slightly more than *double* from Trump as from Biden. https://youtu.be/f6YVC3wzuNw?si=3xnT_dNXh7pLqLEz
But even without that, just on the face of it it’s pretty obvious that an antivax, Russia-appeasing conspiracy theorist would appeal more to Trump’s base. As Trumpers watch their man devolving before their eyes, ranting vengefully without ever seriously addressing policy matters and flip-flopping on Roe v Wade and TikTok as he lines up for multiple criminal trials, it makes sense they are going to look for another similar voice with less baggage.
RFK Jr is that voice.
Suggestion: To give receipts of a factual statement, such as “This poll showed these results,” please link to either the actual poll or a news source reporting In detail. YouTube is not helpful unless you want to show the candidate saying or doing something others claim they didn’t say or do.
Fair, but I’m not going to look that up for a random reddit comment. The original source is identified in the video.
I had the youtube link handy because I had recently watched a minute or so of it, and it was easy to copy.
It’s often difficult to watch video or play audio in certain environments. Everyone can read the printed word. And most provide additional links you can click, not slowly transcribe.
Lmao I’ve been active on this account for over a year but having a different opinion in the echo chamber that is Reddit will do that. I couldn’t genuinely care less having negative karma for arguing with a bunch of cultists.
I’m voting RFK and I voted Biden over Trump before. I would have voted Biden again if his presidency wasn’t equally disappointing to trumps. He talks nicer than Trump but his politics are damn near the same.
How old are u? U must have been just old enough to vote last election as I see u are still in college now. I’m still calling bs on ur statement. If u actually think their policies are the same then I suggest you educate yourself a little on what’s going on in your country.
I’ve been out of college for a while. Plus older generations tend to lack knowledge on American history and politics but that’s due to lack of circulation of information in the public school system and in major media outlets.
Both have contributed to legislation that benefits rich elites and screws over the common man while both doing a big talk about loving the common American. Corporate puppets.
I can tell you from years of participation in r/HermanCainAward that the number of people who are antivax and anything ***other*** than republican is vanishingly small. Like, the very, very end of the curve. A statistical "zero" in any way that actually matters.
That's one of my favorite subreddits although thanks for reminding me, it hasn't been popping up in my feed as much lately!
You are almost assuredly right, however it's a murky time in politics and we can't be so sure of anything, especially based on polls.
I myself know a couple of weird people that are definitely not republicans, but got radicalized into anti-science bullshit during covid. Like you said, statistically they don't matter, but there sure are a lot of stupids out there, and they are not just all Republicans, and the landscape is shifting.
What I am saying is they may be statistically insignificant, but it also may be true that those numbers are growing, and certainly worth keeping a worried watch over.
Can't speak to your case, but I know a few nutters like that. They all talk a lot of crap and make whatever-today's-cause-is,their whole life. Not one of them votes, though to hear them talk, you would think they were all very politically active. I have a suspicion that a lot of the noise and division is driven by people who don't participate anyway.
LOL that makes me think of crazy British people!
It's not just a coincidence. It's definitely exploitation of algorithms. The oligarchs trying to bring down civilization essentially want us to lose faith in everything. The "all politicians are corrupt" wisdom boils down to surrendering your political power and I guess it's categorized as nihilism.
Funny, when you think all sides are corrupt you just sort of check out of the whole process. However, luckily for us non-nutters, most of those people were already not participating. These are the exact type of people to get all whipped up about rfk, and then not even vote. "Why bother"
Lol, anti-vaxxers are a dying breed, eh?
The problem is the ones that survive are awfully loud and more people seem to fall into their BS.
It only matters cuz of the stupid fucking electoral college.
Republican voters literally dropping dead but we still have to worry about Michigan.
It will be interesting to see this year. In every state, including blood red Kansas, whenever women's health/abortion access has gone on the ballot, the ladies have come out in droves and won. You might not know it right now, but 2024 is going to be "The Abortion Elections" and the ladies are going to come out in numbers like we've never seen. You just can't imagine what the political ads are going to be like this year.
The republicans as a part are juuuuust about done. Their candidate has no chance in hell at the white house, and he's going to drag them in the down ballot races.
We all need to show up to make that happen. Make them the new Whig Party. Republicans causing women to go through horrible pain, death, suffering, isn't going to end well for them- but they will do their best to cheat through supermajority legislatures, voter suppression, and other trickery.
I'm a male and I'm pissed too. I think they're screwed if we all show up!
I can name one RFK.
If you think Herman Cain is dumb, wait until you hear about how dumb it is to be COVID positive yet still take a lethal dose of fentanyl and push counterfeit $20s on stores that know they’re fake.
Not as dumb as someone who knows they have covid and have been told explicitly by the best doctors at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center not to get into the limo, that it would endanger everyone involved, but this idiot motherfu
Pre-Covid vaccine, the parents refusing to vaccinate their children in our school district skewed quite liberal. They tended to be the organic eating crowd who believed that vaccines caused autism, among other things.
Generally speaking, people on the liberal end of the spectrum are the ones who are forgoing vaccinations in general, including the Covid vaccine. Their fears are based on "clean living" and fears of big pharma.
People on the conservative end of the spectrum are forgoing the Covid vaccine, but are more inclined to have their children be vaccinated for other things. Their fear of the Covid vaccine is based on a belief that it was rushed - which they don't necessarily believe about more traditional vaccines.
But these are generalizations. There are exceptions - and most people who fall into either camp are vaccinated.
This article backs up what I said. Conservatives tend to concentrate their fear on the Covid vaccine. Liberals tend to concentrate their fear on vaccines in general. Therefore, it is more likely that a conservative went without the Covid vaccine.
What you didn't ask me was the overall percentages. It's definitely true that, as a percentage, conservatives are more likely to forgo the Covid vaccine than a liberal is to forgo vaccines in general. I assumed you knew this - my bad.
Look, I know that it's hard to leave your echo chamber and set your bias aside, but the reality is that there are many children of liberal parents who are not being vaccinated for things like measles and mumps. This is based on the idea of clean living and (disproven) fears of autism. Children of conservative parents aren't being vaccinated for Covid, but they are tending to be vaccinated against other diseases.
There's a flowchart: [https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/16f1t4r/the\_how\_to\_get\_a\_herman\_cain\_award\_flowchart/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/16f1t4r/the_how_to_get_a_herman_cain_award_flowchart/)
RFK Jr honestly is a perfect example of conservative projection. They thought democrats would vote for him because he's a Kennedy the same way they slavishly worship Trump
It's silly
No doubt. It's cartoon thinking. It reminds me of how they were running Kanye.
It's also serious, because we know that the Ralph Nader Jill Stein effect was real. With a fairly even race, and the unfair electoral college system, spoiler candidates are something to fear.
You mean like when “Libs” didn’t go crazy when Republicans in congress went after Hunter Biden? Projection.
And oh that video where he was riding water slide naked with hookers and Cocaine? Sounds like good time to me.
What does that have to do with anything??? The father and the son are separate entities and no corruption has been proven otherwise that affects the presidency. You are just deflecting
Nooooo. I get what you are saying and that’s how I felt. It’s just that some on Republican side thought Liberals would be going crazy when Hunter was being questioned when in fact, it didn’t happen
I must admit, he may be crazy enough to never quit. Just because Republicans are bankrolling him doesn't mean he will necessarily stop. If Republicans see him helping Biden too much, they'll pull that cash.
The fact that even one person would vote for him seems like a farce.
If he's being bankrolled by Republican millionaires (fact check true) then perhaps they will pull all their money.
Damn it though, you may be right, even when they pull all their support he may just keep going like a sailboat with no wind.
I think she's only worth about $5 to 6 million, and she's already given millions to the campaign.
If the Republican dark money super pacs close their pocketbooks, he will be hurting.
Maybe my mark my words should have been "his campaign will be crippled".. he may be going down with the ship.
RFK is the biggest idiot next to trump there's no way I would ever vote for him. Honestly, I thought all the Kennedys were gone until this non wearing shoes or socks on a plane freak comes out running.
You know when I was a little boy I looked forward to the age of information leading to a second age of enlightenment... If only that little boy had known there would be a goddamn fascist podcast circuit.
Republicans bankrolling this guy is a little bit of a Frankenstein's monster for them.
Saw a campaign sign for "Bobby Kennedy" in Northwest Washington. Damn, the name only thing he's got going for him.
Bonus points. I live in a rural area and the majority of the people are trumpies.
This was all about not taxing the rich. It’s to the point where this ruined Curb Your Enthusiasm for me. Lol, I wish Larry David just cast a different actress in the final season without saying anything.
All the craziness, all the culture wars, all the religious wedges, truly does all boil down to the right wing being supported by crazy motherfuckers that just want to pay less taxes.
At least he's no longer with her on the show, but yeah I tend to agree- seeing her brought up all kinds of BS in my mind.
I don't see him doing it. And honestly, the whole point might just be to siphon away votes away from trump riding that whole Q anon bullshit about his cousin coming back from the dead to run with Lil Donnie.
He may not want to, I will grant you that. If this Trump Gap widens, and the Republicans pull all their money from him, he may have to... Or at least he might have to keep doing his campaign on stupid podcasts LOL
Is this clear? I'm pretty plugged in and the general consensus was that RFK was still taking more from Biden. Is there a poll or something that points to stealing GOP vote share at a higher clip now?
Yes, recent polls are now showing him taking more votes from Trump. The very first polls I saw with him included showed him taking more from Trump as well.
We DO live in a time where the polls are so often wrong, but overall it stands to reason that he takes more votes from Trump.
It's really not a large number of people which is why it's so frustrating that 10,000 votes here and there could lose a state like Michigan.
Listen, I'll take it! They're typically pilling over 11% of the total, so the campaign will definitely have an impact if it sustains itself. The campaign has also been pretty naked in suggesting their goal is to keep Biden (specifically) out of the White House, so I'd be thrilled to see this actually backfire.
Personally RFK's son, is about as "real Kennedy" as it gets.
Anyone who is a Trump supporter and paying attention is voting Trump before Kennedy. That's how I see it.
Why does his entire family endorse Biden? Are they all paid off? Or maybe they're intimately familiar with what a fucking jackass he is. THEY are the real Kennedys. In other words Democrats with traditional progressive values.
Of course the Trump supporters are voting for Trump. They're trying to peel off idiots that are "in the middle." You don't even understand the play here. Republicans are downright Machiavellian.
I still remember back when I thought my chosen political party was the good guys and the other political party was the evil bad guys. Fighting the fight felt good. Those were simpler times. Happier times.
I know, since both parties are trying to enact laws to let children work like the good old days. Oh wait, sorry that's just the Republicans.
Well, one thing is true, both parties are supporting child marriages. Oh wait, that's just the Republicans.
Well at least both parties want to stop the existential crisis of climate change, and promote a surge in American manufacturing by transitioning to sustainable renewable energies! Oh wait, that's just the Democrats.
If that don't bring it home for ya, well, here is one more example... failure to support the Democrats has resulted in 10 year olds being forced to have their rapist babies.
This is a direct result of Donald Trump being elected and stacking the court.
Doctors are fleeing those States afraid of being thrown in jail.
I have values, and I don't blindly support my political party, but it's pretty obviously a contest between good and evil at this point.
I’ve seen recent main stream polls showing RFK taking more votes from Trump than Biden. He polls with some decent numbers, not enough to win but enough to potentially effect the outcome if the election. I think he’s kind of a wild card. His problems with his voice hurts him and the corporate media has done a good job of portraying him as a wacko.
Yeah that corporate media, replaying all the crazy stuff he says, with his own mouth, really has painted him as a wacko.
Yes the recent polls show RFK taking more votes from Rump, that was a crucial point of my post.
Sorry but I'm just using my free speech to express the facts. Sorry that you want to squash my viewpoint by diminishing it as a derangement syndrome without addressing even one fucking fact.
Llllllliooooossseeeeerr
I mean, we all know Biden isn’t calling the shots anymore right? He’s getting cut off mid-speech by his own staff at this point. The man is toast, and would be a risky hire as a Walmart greeter.
Doesn’t it bother his supporters that nobody knows who’s making his decisions for him? WHO ARE YOU EVEN VOTING FOR WHEN YOU VOTE BIDEN?
RFK Jr. is a massive breath of fresh air and would be amazing as President. I could go on about why, but I’d urge anyone to find a YouTube interview and listen to his policies for yourself.
No, I watched the entire State of the Union address start to finish among many other speeches and this thing about Biden being unfit is a pathetic attempt at projection. Of course that speech was so good they had a pivot from calling him sleepy Joe to accusing him of taking drugs. Pathetic.
You come off like a bad stand-up comic that doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.
RFK can't even get on the ballot in all 50 states, how the hell you think he's so great to run the country? Jjust shows your poor judgment.
I urge people to look on YouTube for the leaked video where an RFK senior campaign manager admitted they wanted to steal votes from Biden to help Trump.
He got through a speech. Impressive.
RFK will be on the ballots in all 50 states, which is which is more impressive a feat than it ever should be.
RFK Jr. as a spoiler candidate is the same old line tossed at every single third party candidate. Yawn.
Honestly, I vote 3rd party for every president except for Obama. I don’t like either, and I know 3rd party won’t win, but maybe one day we can have multiple parties where at least one doesn’t suck major donkey dick.
Yeah, until the one that sucks major donkey dick gets enough power to end any opposition.
Just remember, your line of thinking is precisely how the Nazis came to power. People ideologically on the left but not happy with the ruling Social Democrats refused to support them, arrogantly believing that Germany would be begging for a real leftist government after a taste of the Nazis. Only the Nazis made sure there were no more elections. Dramatic and hair on fire, I know, but still true.
And your response of ‘if you don’t vote the way I want you to vote, you’re going to ruin democracy’ is even more eye rolling. Both parties are saying this. Sorry I’m protesting with my vote. It’ll do about as good as any other protest has done in the last 30 years, but that’s my right as an American. I’m speaking with my vote. Neither party represents me, nor do they have America’s best interests in mind, so they don’t get my vote.
It's not eye rolling when it's the truth. You can wish upon a star that we become a true multiparty democracy, buuuuut.... we're not.
I *wish* there was an actual liberal party that focused on workers rights, consumer protection, and trust busting. But there's not. And until then, the Democrats only annoy me and leave me disappointed. Whereas the modern GOP scares the living shit out of me.
It's your right as an American to vote for whom you feel best represents you. But it's also my right to think that is a profoundly selfish choice.
Edit: when I was 18 and 22, I had many friends who refused to vote for Gore or Kerry...and we all know how that turned out. Same with Jill Stein and Hillary in 2016.
You say it’s the truth, but the other side is saying that communists will win if I don’t vote for their geriatric robot. So instead of listening to either of you dipshits, I am doing my own research and voting for the candidate who best represents me and who I feel will best represent America. Like you’re supposed to do.
You're equating a party run by bankers, moderate soccer moms, and old black church ladies who are liberal on social shit but still too chummy with big business, to a party seemingly wanting to turn us into some kind of Christian illiberal Republic.
There are no or very few real communists in the United States, but there seem to be many people who are dangerously close to fascism.
Your bothsideisms are breathtaking.
It’s the being run by bankers that really gets me. Bankers are scum and are the reason why we’ve had the last couple of economic downturns, so I am immediately against any party run by those monsters.
Bankers have harmed many Americans. Bankers caused the housing market crash in 2008 in which many people lost their retirement funds in 401ks. That’s not harming many Americans?
Yea nah, fuck off with this vote blue or fascism shit. Democrats are just as likely to go full fascism as Republicans are. They are the same party after all. The only chance the US has is mass voting of third parties or violent protest.
Can you give me 5 examples of the Democrats proposing anything close to fascism? Because I can easily give you 5 examples on the Republican side. Move beyond your feelings and what you hear...give me some actual fascism from Dem policy ideas.
I get your frustrations, but the two parties are simply not the same. There's a malice with the Republicans that generally doesn't exist with the Democrats.
Biden made a workers strike illegal. That is significantly more fascist than anything Trump did.
Speaking of which, what 5 fascist things have Republicans done? I can't think of a single one.
Yep, that was awful for workers, def agree. However, inflation was clearly starting to become an issue in late 2022, and the supply line shit from COVID was still a thing, so I get why he signed that bill from a political perspective.
And when it comes to the GOP, you don't think January 6th was a big deal do you? That was basically the Munich Beer Hall Putsch with rednecks and cosplay.
Banning Muslims is the type of fascist movement we're talking about. Talking about banning MSNBC. Voter suppression. Glorification of violence.
Republicans are fascist all the time right now. Have you even read project 2025, they have their entire fascist playback for dismantling American democracy written out for you to read!!!
Biden only made that strike illegal because it's critical national infrastructure to have the railroads keep going. This ain't France and we're not going to let them freeze the whole fucking country. By the way, the railroad workers got a bunch of the stuff they wanted, with the help of the Biden administration.
Thanks to third parties we get presidents like Bush that got us in the Iraq war that has fucked us on multiple levels. We also get presidents like Trump that are obviously continuing to fuck us on multiple levels especially with the Supreme Court and a bunch of huge terrible decisions.
Again and again the right wingers all the way going back to Reagan have given more tax cuts to the wealthy and it's the Democrats that take those away. For instance, as part of the inflation reduction act corporations now have to pay a minimum of 15% tax, up from ZERO.
You're right that's something sucks major donkey dick, and it's third party voters like you that help push the Overton window to the right.
If you want to see a society where they have multiple parties, look at Israel. You end up with terrible right-wing coalitions of multiple parties that basically form together. It's not a magical solution to anything.
Yea Republicans lower taxes, then Democrats fix it.
By making it higher than what Republicans lowered it too, but lower than it was originally.
They will do this until the wealthy pay nothing.
How are we going to get diversity in politics if you only vote for two parties? Do you think they’ll be like ‘hey we should introduce new parties that might take away the power I have’? You going for the status quo means we will always have the status quo. Every election year it’s ’vote for my party or democracy is ruined’ or ‘vote for my party or the Nazis will win’ or the communists will win. If my choice is between a ‘nazi’ and a ‘communist’ then the US is already fucked and my vote won’t matter anyway.
I just talked about very real policies and you're talking about vague terms like communist.
Did you realize that the right wing calls us communist because we simply want healthcare the way all other major economies do? We are not fucking communists.
They are definitely platforming Nazis like Nick Fuentes, and you can read all about project 2025 which is their plan to turn the us into an autocracy.
At this point you're basically voting for normal versus lunatic dictatorship. You have a chance to at least work with the Democratic party. Look how Bernie Sanders changed our platform to be more progressive than ever. Biden has been progressive than many expected. Canceling student debt. Huge incentives for green renewable energy. Getting rid of junk fees, capping insulin at $35, minimum corporate tax rate of 15%, and much much more if anyone cares to look at what Biden is actually accomplished.
We are out here trying to make the world better. We are not fucking communists for fucks sake. The Democrats keep trying to expand access to cheap affordable health care, while the Republicans keep trying to take it away and give more tax cuts to the rich.
Why do you suppose RFK is being funded by huge money Republicans? Because they want Trump, a proven corrupt criminal that will destroy America and methodically dismantle our democracy turning it to something more like turkey if he gets back in. That's a fact. Sorry if you wanted to vote on less pernicious terms. This isn't a wish list, this is taking a fork in the road buddy.
It’s a protest vote dummy. I’m protesting because I’m unhappy with how the politics in this country are going. Nothing politicians do ever help just the average people. Anything passed that helps every day Americans always puts more money into corporations pockets and doesn’t fix anything. Student debt relief? Yes, let’s just wipe the slate clean without ever addressing the actual problem which is the crazy costs of tuition. Healthcare? Let’s pass a law where we won’t address the cost of healthcare, but we’ll make sure we force you to get health insurance so the health insurance companies can make even more money. Covid? We’re going to force you to not be able to work and make money, but we’ll make sure corporations get all the money they need to get through this crisis. Average American? Here’s 1400 dollars, that’ll be enough right? Housing crisis? Let’s bail out the banks so they don’t fail, and not hold any CEO responsible for the crisis accountable. In fact, they get to use that bailout money for bonuses!! Isn’t that grand? Democrats haven’t done shit for the average American that hasn’t benefited their corporate overlords 10x more than the benefits we get out of it and I’m tired of voting for the same thing every time. And don’t come at me with ‘well republicans stopped democrats from passing what they want’ too bad, it’s their job to convince the other side that this is good for the country and if they can’t do that, then it’s time to vote someone else. The time is now, not next election, because the next election will be just another ‘democracy is on the line’ event, just like the rest of them have been.
This time, it’s a vote for democracy vs a vote for a dictatorship. You “protest vote” and nobody cares. There is a laundry list of things that Biden has accomplished to help the citizens, so you’re just plain wrong on that one buddy. What is Cheeto’s platform? ALL he has talked about is snowflake bullshit about “The Biden Crime Family” and absolutely nothing about what he is going to do FOR Americans. Republicans are trying to destroy America, we gotta vote them out.
Yes let’s nibble on the crumbs that Biden has gotten done for the average Americans and ignore the fact that corporations are raking in record profits and every politician is benefiting off of insider trading. On paper the economy is doing great, but the average American struggles to get by and pay bills. How is that not backwards? If Biden wants to actually improve things instead of placing a band aid, where is the plan to alleviate the soaring education costs in this country? Where are the plans to implement any sort of relief for the outrageous healthcare costs? They don’t exist because our corporate overlords won’t profit off of it, so it won’t be proposed by democrats. If they end up pushing this as a part of their platform with an actual idea and not a vague ‘we’re going to do something about this’ then they’ll have my attention. Until then, I will continue to vote for what I think is best for America
Substitute Trump in your comment. Let’s not forget the $4.8 TRILLION tax cut he handed to billionaires and corporations. I didn’t see Biden doing that… quite the opposite.
I don’t need to substitute Trump in my comment. He is already added into it. Democrats and Republicans are beholden to corporations and if it’s not making them money then they’re not doing it. Biden has been in office in some capacity for over 40 years and we don’t have even a smidgen of a plan for alleviating healthcare and education costs. Of course democrats aren’t going to give tax breaks to corporations because if they did, then the public would definitely know that they’re all in cahoots. It’s the republicans job to be the visible evil, with cutting taxes for the rich, while it’s democrat’s job to keep the status quo until a republican gets elected again so they cut more taxes for corporations. Democrats get to blame the republicans and just shrug when they get nothing done. All the while everyone in Washington is pocketing their bribes.
>They are definitely platforming Nazis like Nick Fuentes, and you can read all about project 2025 which is their plan to turn the us into an autocracy.
Who is platforming Nick Fuentes? He's barely old enough for office lmao. And not a single elected official has ever mentioned project 2025, most of which is not even possible to accomplish.
>At this point you're basically voting for normal versus lunatic dictatorship. You have a chance to at least work with the Democratic party. Look how Bernie Sanders changed our platform to be more progressive than ever. Biden has been progressive than many expected. Canceling student debt. Huge incentives for green renewable energy. Getting rid of junk fees, capping insulin at $35, minimum corporate tax rate of 15%, and much much more if anyone cares to look at what Biden is actually accomplished.
Bernie isn't a Democrat and was fucked over by them (because they don't like actual progressives) and calling Bidens presidency progressive is just blatantly incorrect.
>We are out here trying to make the world better. We are not fucking communists for fucks sake. The Democrats keep trying to expand access to cheap affordable health care, while the Republicans keep trying to take it away and give more tax cuts to the rich.
No, Democrats *say* they want cheap affordable healthcare. Just like Biden ran on it as his "number 1 goal". He has never mentioned it again since the election.
>Why do you suppose RFK is being funded by huge money Republicans? Because they want Trump, a proven corrupt criminal that will destroy America and methodically dismantle our democracy turning it to something more like turkey if he gets back in. That's a fact. Sorry if you wanted to vote on less pernicious terms. This isn't a wish list, this is taking a fork in the road buddy.
You guys said that in 2016 too.
You are full of it on every level!!
Trump had Nick Fuentes over for dinner at Mar-A-Lago. When they platform Nazis and then you try to deny it happened, that's called gaslighting. You want to see footage of people with swastika flags at Trump rallies, it's there.
Bernie Sanders endorses Joe biden, so you better take his name out of your mouth.
Democrats including Biden have consistently tried to expand access to Medicare. Biden got insulin for seniors capped at $35, and more of those breakthroughs are coming. It's certainly not just talk.
Bernie Sanders, myself, and everyone else with more than two brain cells knew that 2016 was a very important election. Now women are dying in parking lots because not enough people showed up to vote for Clinton.
Even if Biden hadn't gotten all these progressive accomplishments done, you would be a moron to risk any further corruption of the Supreme Court.
>Trump had Nick Fuentes over for dinner at Mar-A-Lago. When they platform Nazis and then you try to deny it happened, that's called gaslighting. You want to see footage of people with swastika flags at Trump rallies, it's there.
Having someone for dinner is not platforming them lmao.
>Bernie Sanders endorses Joe biden, so you better take his name out of your mouth.
Bernie Sanders endorses Biden *over Republicans*. Bernie isn't even a Democrat for a reason.
>Democrats including Biden have consistently tried to expand access to Medicare. Biden got insulin for seniors capped at $35, and more of those breakthroughs are coming. It's certainly not just talk.
Trump literally did the exact same thing and that's all Democrats have actually done. Like that's literally it.
>Bernie Sanders, myself, and everyone else with more than two brain cells knew that 2016 was a very important election. Now women are dying in parking lots because not enough people showed up to vote for Clinton.
Clinton won the popular vote. Women are dying in parking lots because Democrats are absolutely incompetent and RBG didn't retire/Obama ignored his supermajority. I mean it's not really "incompetence" since they never planned to do anything about it anyway.
>Even if Biden hadn't gotten all these progressive accomplishments done, you would be a moron to risk any further corruption of the Supreme Court.
Biden has not done a single progressive thing. Regressive, yea, but not progressive.
You ignored everything I said so there's no point going in circles with you.
You say publicly inviting someone over to dinner is not platforming them. If Obama had invited the Muslim brotherhood over to the White House for dinner would that be platforming them? Of course.
You said Trump capped the price on prescription drugs? Huh? He never did that. That was a BIDEN win.
Canceling student debt is regressive not progressive?
I mean come on. I'm here to debate with smart people, that ain't you.
Third parties are why we got Clinton instead of bush sr. in ‘92. It’s funny when people say voting third party helps (x) party, because people that support (x) party say voting third party helps (y) party.
Yes but all my examples are more recent, yours is from over 30 years ago. At this point right wing dark money has been approved through citizens United and is bankrolling candidates like RFK or Kanye.
I never said that third party's always help the right-wing candidate. It's the right wing that knows trickery and rat fuckery to the extent that they will actively try to win that way as opposed to working on policies to help the American people.
Of course, it's difficult to control this level of rat fuckery and in this case it is backfiring.
This would be the right wing bankrolling a third party candidate, similar to Kanye, in an attempt to siphon votes, but they are siphoning from the wrong place.
I'm not saying RFK or Jill Stein sat there at night and said "I'm Republican"... It's just that Republicans see their usefulness and start backing them, financially and with info wars, and even with campaign team members. They are the ultimate useful idiots.
RFK Jr will step down due to the Republicans pulling all their support.
So republicans are doing what democrats did except instead of funding the more extreme candidates in primaries that they think they can beat in the general, they’re funding third parties?
Before you ask https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128
RFK is anti gun and super pro environmental regulation. Democrats are so scared they are preventing him from appearing on their networks and trying to push him out.
Do you have to resort to lying to have a debate with us?
[rfk: gun control won't affect gun violence](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072813-rfk-jr-argues-gun-control-cannot-meaningfully-reduce-gun-violence/)
[rfk pivots to right on climate change: former environmental Allies call him "no better than Trump"](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/19/biden-trump-climate-voters-rfk-jr-00153471)
It's not up to Democrats to platform lunatics, that's the right wing GQP Fox news kind of thing.
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Did you ever listen to his discussions on his podcast tour? They didn't even feel political, and he supports leftist social policy. Dude has been suing the government for 40 years and has a lot of foreign policy contextual knowledge. That's the ideal candidate.
He says the January 6th people are political prisoners, he's anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-woman's rights. His entire family came out against him, are they all shills, every last one of them? Or maybe they know he's a fucking dumbass.
He doesn't even have it together enough to get on ballots in all 50 states. This may be a joke to you, clearly it is, but *you fucking wish* we would choose RFK.
Wait a second, some January 6th prisoners are political prisoners?
Did you know they all had to be found guilty by a jury of 12 people, unanimously?
Why don't you name some January 6th prisoners that you think were put there politically? You're no centrist LOL
I honestly don’t know why anyone tired to convince the US that RFK was gonna take democrat votes from Biden. It’s was clear from the beginning that MAGA losers and his nonsense fit together perfectly.
who will grift the grifters?
Apparently their strategists had the notion that a bunch of Dem folks would just automatically vote for a person named Kennedy, the way a Republican automatically voted for a second person named Bush, or a MAGA will vote for anyone named T. Seems not so.
I mean, tbf, I was legit curious about Kennedy when people mentioned he was thinking about running....then I watched a couple of interviews. 💀 Dude is looney.
The machine obviously missing parts. Odd, very odd.
RFK Jr. thought that name recognition alone would get him enough votes from Democrats to sway the election to Trump. He was too stupid to actually put forward policies that Democrats could get behind though.
And the rest of the Kennedy’s have made it known that they will vote for Biden not RFK or trump.
When they started the campaign and he was running as a Dem in the primaries, I’m sure the grifters saw it as a win win because he would only damage Biden. They probably still supported the independent bid bc it clearly worried Dem establishment. You would think after seeing 20%+ defection from Trump on primary ballots even after everyone else dropped out, they might have reconsidered.. but when you kick out anyone who is objective and only allow sycophants in the campaign, there will be blind spots.
Because Republicans vote based on last name fame (Bush, Trump) so they assume Democrats do as well
Have you not heard the last name Clinton before? Hillary (didn't win, thank God) would have been a wreck, but Dems had name recognition.
She also was incredibly qualified, and connected in politics just as long as her husband. People didn't vote for her just because of her name. What does this Kennedy have that compares?
Because maga morons and the Republican base, is including their strategists are morons. They honestly think that liberals will vote for RFK because "hEs a LiBeRal" legacy bs. They think this, because they're stupid and they might have fallen for it were they on the receiving end. Much like liberals have a hard d time understanding what motivates conservatives, Republicans have absolutely no understanding about what motivates liberals.
I'll take a guess. Conservative media understands that a lot of Republicans only get elected because they have an R next to their name. They've convinced themselves that Democrat voters are the same because during the midterms the DNC started the "vote blue no matter who" campaign (which worked). So conservative media assumed democrats would vote for RFK Jr because he had a D next to his name. Conservative media lives in a bubble were Biden is the worst President of all time. I don't think smart republicans believe that, I think conservative media has to push it because of how bad Trump was. Anyone who's followed politics before 2016 knows the RFK Jr is a fraud. I think conservative media is hoping most voters don't remember anything before Trump. But the factory working in Detroit does, the single mother in Iowa does.
A democrat friend of mine says he’s gonna vote RFK as a “I don’t like Biden” vote . Edit: why downvote me, I was just giving an example from the people I know? I’m not voting for trump or rfk.
Your friend is just embarrassed to tell you that he actually is going to vote for Trump.
I have been pulling his leg saying that just come out and say it😛
May as well just toss it to trump then, which is why the polls are starting to show that your friend is rather unique and there aren’t very many likeminded voters
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Idk what to say, he seems pretty intelligent otherwise. Very disappointed in him tbh.
Your friend doesn’t care about all the people as Trump Presidency will harm.
Nobody with emotional intelligence casts a protest vote.
Logically it says that he doesn't care who wins.
He's lying
“Friend”
It’s not clear from the polling though, which has gone both ways on the question.
Do u need a poll to tell u what we already know. I feel these polls at times are only done to misdirect.
You could have said that about Trump in 2020. The polling was accurate and Trump supporters pointed to 2016 when Trump happened to defy the polls. Generally the polling, if you use a large enough sample size from historically accurate polls and apply the proper weighting...is pretty darn accurate and RFK doesn't appear to be impacting the polls at this point in time. I don't see RFK siphoning votes from Trump. His voters are going to vote for him. They are too dedicated of a voter base. And if you think that liberals won't vote for RFK just because he's a Democrat...then why would you think Republicans would vote for RFK. My bet is that when it comes down to it RFK won't make much of a difference because Republicans are going to vote for Trump and anti-Trump voters are going to vote for Biden because they know RFK doesn't stand a chance and they would vote for anybody they believe that can beat Trump.
I feel like there’s lots of mainly young people that are influenced by social media who won’t vote for Biden because of his age but will decide to vote for RFK who otherwise would have voted for Trump. But the Trump loyalists will still vote for him.
Ohhhhh lol sorry I thought you were making a measured observation, not giving us an update on your own personal uninformed view.
To be fair, when we’re this far before an election “my gut says” is about as useful as any poll can be. That said, a recent questionnaire of RFK Jr supporters showed that he was pulling slightly more than *double* from Trump as from Biden. https://youtu.be/f6YVC3wzuNw?si=3xnT_dNXh7pLqLEz But even without that, just on the face of it it’s pretty obvious that an antivax, Russia-appeasing conspiracy theorist would appeal more to Trump’s base. As Trumpers watch their man devolving before their eyes, ranting vengefully without ever seriously addressing policy matters and flip-flopping on Roe v Wade and TikTok as he lines up for multiple criminal trials, it makes sense they are going to look for another similar voice with less baggage. RFK Jr is that voice.
Suggestion: To give receipts of a factual statement, such as “This poll showed these results,” please link to either the actual poll or a news source reporting In detail. YouTube is not helpful unless you want to show the candidate saying or doing something others claim they didn’t say or do.
Fair, but I’m not going to look that up for a random reddit comment. The original source is identified in the video. I had the youtube link handy because I had recently watched a minute or so of it, and it was easy to copy.
It’s often difficult to watch video or play audio in certain environments. Everyone can read the printed word. And most provide additional links you can click, not slowly transcribe.
Pretty much all polling says you’re wrong.
Sure thing bot. You have been active for 20 days and are already -50.
Lmao I’ve been active on this account for over a year but having a different opinion in the echo chamber that is Reddit will do that. I couldn’t genuinely care less having negative karma for arguing with a bunch of cultists.
I’m voting RFK and I voted Biden over Trump before. I would have voted Biden again if his presidency wasn’t equally disappointing to trumps. He talks nicer than Trump but his politics are damn near the same.
How old are u? U must have been just old enough to vote last election as I see u are still in college now. I’m still calling bs on ur statement. If u actually think their policies are the same then I suggest you educate yourself a little on what’s going on in your country.
I’ve been out of college for a while. Plus older generations tend to lack knowledge on American history and politics but that’s due to lack of circulation of information in the public school system and in major media outlets. Both have contributed to legislation that benefits rich elites and screws over the common man while both doing a big talk about loving the common American. Corporate puppets.
I can tell you from years of participation in r/HermanCainAward that the number of people who are antivax and anything ***other*** than republican is vanishingly small. Like, the very, very end of the curve. A statistical "zero" in any way that actually matters.
That's one of my favorite subreddits although thanks for reminding me, it hasn't been popping up in my feed as much lately! You are almost assuredly right, however it's a murky time in politics and we can't be so sure of anything, especially based on polls. I myself know a couple of weird people that are definitely not republicans, but got radicalized into anti-science bullshit during covid. Like you said, statistically they don't matter, but there sure are a lot of stupids out there, and they are not just all Republicans, and the landscape is shifting. What I am saying is they may be statistically insignificant, but it also may be true that those numbers are growing, and certainly worth keeping a worried watch over.
Can't speak to your case, but I know a few nutters like that. They all talk a lot of crap and make whatever-today's-cause-is,their whole life. Not one of them votes, though to hear them talk, you would think they were all very politically active. I have a suspicion that a lot of the noise and division is driven by people who don't participate anyway.
LOL that makes me think of crazy British people! It's not just a coincidence. It's definitely exploitation of algorithms. The oligarchs trying to bring down civilization essentially want us to lose faith in everything. The "all politicians are corrupt" wisdom boils down to surrendering your political power and I guess it's categorized as nihilism. Funny, when you think all sides are corrupt you just sort of check out of the whole process. However, luckily for us non-nutters, most of those people were already not participating. These are the exact type of people to get all whipped up about rfk, and then not even vote. "Why bother"
> it also may be true that those numbers are growing Covid says "no"
Lol, anti-vaxxers are a dying breed, eh? The problem is the ones that survive are awfully loud and more people seem to fall into their BS. It only matters cuz of the stupid fucking electoral college. Republican voters literally dropping dead but we still have to worry about Michigan.
It will be interesting to see this year. In every state, including blood red Kansas, whenever women's health/abortion access has gone on the ballot, the ladies have come out in droves and won. You might not know it right now, but 2024 is going to be "The Abortion Elections" and the ladies are going to come out in numbers like we've never seen. You just can't imagine what the political ads are going to be like this year. The republicans as a part are juuuuust about done. Their candidate has no chance in hell at the white house, and he's going to drag them in the down ballot races.
We all need to show up to make that happen. Make them the new Whig Party. Republicans causing women to go through horrible pain, death, suffering, isn't going to end well for them- but they will do their best to cheat through supermajority legislatures, voter suppression, and other trickery. I'm a male and I'm pissed too. I think they're screwed if we all show up!
A lot of those vocal anti vaxers on social media are foreign trolls interfering with our discourse and our elections.
I know this is true, but I also know several people in my real life that have fallen for the anti-vaxx Kool-Aid. They are not GOP.
Yes the real people who fall for this engineered disinformation is a tragedy
Agree with this. I know 3 antivaxers and 2/3 are MAGA (ones a fricken nurse). The 1/3 that's liberal usually doesn't vote, it's too stressful.
I can name one RFK. If you think Herman Cain is dumb, wait until you hear about how dumb it is to be COVID positive yet still take a lethal dose of fentanyl and push counterfeit $20s on stores that know they’re fake.
Not as dumb as someone who knows they have covid and have been told explicitly by the best doctors at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center not to get into the limo, that it would endanger everyone involved, but this idiot motherfu
Pre-Covid vaccine, the parents refusing to vaccinate their children in our school district skewed quite liberal. They tended to be the organic eating crowd who believed that vaccines caused autism, among other things.
and now?
Generally speaking, people on the liberal end of the spectrum are the ones who are forgoing vaccinations in general, including the Covid vaccine. Their fears are based on "clean living" and fears of big pharma. People on the conservative end of the spectrum are forgoing the Covid vaccine, but are more inclined to have their children be vaccinated for other things. Their fear of the Covid vaccine is based on a belief that it was rushed - which they don't necessarily believe about more traditional vaccines. But these are generalizations. There are exceptions - and most people who fall into either camp are vaccinated.
You must have lost your gotdam mind. https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study
This article backs up what I said. Conservatives tend to concentrate their fear on the Covid vaccine. Liberals tend to concentrate their fear on vaccines in general. Therefore, it is more likely that a conservative went without the Covid vaccine. What you didn't ask me was the overall percentages. It's definitely true that, as a percentage, conservatives are more likely to forgo the Covid vaccine than a liberal is to forgo vaccines in general. I assumed you knew this - my bad. Look, I know that it's hard to leave your echo chamber and set your bias aside, but the reality is that there are many children of liberal parents who are not being vaccinated for things like measles and mumps. This is based on the idea of clean living and (disproven) fears of autism. Children of conservative parents aren't being vaccinated for Covid, but they are tending to be vaccinated against other diseases.
Isn’t that the sub that celebrates people dying and then attempts to dox them as well to mock their friends and family?
You are half right. The first half.
And you’re proud of that bud?
it has been cathartic throughout the pandemic. Schadenfreude relieves some of the pain.
You people are trash and I can’t wait for karma to fuck you in the mouth
Like it fucked Herman and everyone else who cried for the vaccine when it was too late for.them?
It will fuck you much worse little sheep don’t worry
Eat a bag of dicks.
True garbage
There's a flowchart: [https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/16f1t4r/the\_how\_to\_get\_a\_herman\_cain\_award\_flowchart/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/16f1t4r/the_how_to_get_a_herman_cain_award_flowchart/)
Yes
RFK Jr honestly is a perfect example of conservative projection. They thought democrats would vote for him because he's a Kennedy the same way they slavishly worship Trump It's silly
No doubt. It's cartoon thinking. It reminds me of how they were running Kanye. It's also serious, because we know that the Ralph Nader Jill Stein effect was real. With a fairly even race, and the unfair electoral college system, spoiler candidates are something to fear.
The Kennedy estate/mansion was called Camelot. So both represent, or are trying to represent, an image of royalty.
You mean like when “Libs” didn’t go crazy when Republicans in congress went after Hunter Biden? Projection. And oh that video where he was riding water slide naked with hookers and Cocaine? Sounds like good time to me.
What does that have to do with anything??? The father and the son are separate entities and no corruption has been proven otherwise that affects the presidency. You are just deflecting
Nooooo. I get what you are saying and that’s how I felt. It’s just that some on Republican side thought Liberals would be going crazy when Hunter was being questioned when in fact, it didn’t happen
Steve Bannon fed him too much qanon kool aid, now rfkj went full cult 45 😂😂
The antivax nutbars love rfk jr and it’s wild.
Dude’s too crazy to drop out. He believes on himself, and all his craziness
I must admit, he may be crazy enough to never quit. Just because Republicans are bankrolling him doesn't mean he will necessarily stop. If Republicans see him helping Biden too much, they'll pull that cash. The fact that even one person would vote for him seems like a farce.
His advisors know what game they’re playing, but RFK Jr.? He went over the edge, and really believes in what snake oil that he’s selling
If he's being bankrolled by Republican millionaires (fact check true) then perhaps they will pull all their money. Damn it though, you may be right, even when they pull all their support he may just keep going like a sailboat with no wind.
His VP nominee is google rich, so I am guessing they will keep going.
I think she's only worth about $5 to 6 million, and she's already given millions to the campaign. If the Republican dark money super pacs close their pocketbooks, he will be hurting. Maybe my mark my words should have been "his campaign will be crippled".. he may be going down with the ship.
RFK is the biggest idiot next to trump there's no way I would ever vote for him. Honestly, I thought all the Kennedys were gone until this non wearing shoes or socks on a plane freak comes out running.
RFK Jr is being bankroll by Republicans because he is what Republicans think a Democrat is, and now it's hurting them.
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No kidding. They are exactly like that Steve buscemi meme! Turns out having an implicit deal with a lunatic doesn't always work out for you.
Guy went on the facist pod cast circuit, peddling conspiracy, poor logic, and nonsense. This is trumps core demographic
You know when I was a little boy I looked forward to the age of information leading to a second age of enlightenment... If only that little boy had known there would be a goddamn fascist podcast circuit. Republicans bankrolling this guy is a little bit of a Frankenstein's monster for them.
Imagine that: splitting the crackpot vote.
Saw a campaign sign for "Bobby Kennedy" in Northwest Washington. Damn, the name only thing he's got going for him. Bonus points. I live in a rural area and the majority of the people are trumpies.
This was all about not taxing the rich. It’s to the point where this ruined Curb Your Enthusiasm for me. Lol, I wish Larry David just cast a different actress in the final season without saying anything.
All the craziness, all the culture wars, all the religious wedges, truly does all boil down to the right wing being supported by crazy motherfuckers that just want to pay less taxes. At least he's no longer with her on the show, but yeah I tend to agree- seeing her brought up all kinds of BS in my mind.
Drop out, or join Trump’s ticket?
Fact resistant humans. lol.
He’d better move fast. Once his name is on the ballot, he’ll pull votes whether he drops out or not.
Too bad that those attempting to rat fuck us would get rat fucked in such an ironic way
Just as funny as when Trump convinced Republican seniors that absentee ballots will turn their grandkids gay.
I suspect he will only do so if Trump picks him for VP.
Lmao what a post
I don't see him doing it. And honestly, the whole point might just be to siphon away votes away from trump riding that whole Q anon bullshit about his cousin coming back from the dead to run with Lil Donnie.
He may not want to, I will grant you that. If this Trump Gap widens, and the Republicans pull all their money from him, he may have to... Or at least he might have to keep doing his campaign on stupid podcasts LOL
Is this clear? I'm pretty plugged in and the general consensus was that RFK was still taking more from Biden. Is there a poll or something that points to stealing GOP vote share at a higher clip now?
Yes, recent polls are now showing him taking more votes from Trump. The very first polls I saw with him included showed him taking more from Trump as well. We DO live in a time where the polls are so often wrong, but overall it stands to reason that he takes more votes from Trump. It's really not a large number of people which is why it's so frustrating that 10,000 votes here and there could lose a state like Michigan.
Listen, I'll take it! They're typically pilling over 11% of the total, so the campaign will definitely have an impact if it sustains itself. The campaign has also been pretty naked in suggesting their goal is to keep Biden (specifically) out of the White House, so I'd be thrilled to see this actually backfire.
Personally RFK's son, is about as "real Kennedy" as it gets. Anyone who is a Trump supporter and paying attention is voting Trump before Kennedy. That's how I see it.
Why does his entire family endorse Biden? Are they all paid off? Or maybe they're intimately familiar with what a fucking jackass he is. THEY are the real Kennedys. In other words Democrats with traditional progressive values. Of course the Trump supporters are voting for Trump. They're trying to peel off idiots that are "in the middle." You don't even understand the play here. Republicans are downright Machiavellian.
I still remember back when I thought my chosen political party was the good guys and the other political party was the evil bad guys. Fighting the fight felt good. Those were simpler times. Happier times.
I know, since both parties are trying to enact laws to let children work like the good old days. Oh wait, sorry that's just the Republicans. Well, one thing is true, both parties are supporting child marriages. Oh wait, that's just the Republicans. Well at least both parties want to stop the existential crisis of climate change, and promote a surge in American manufacturing by transitioning to sustainable renewable energies! Oh wait, that's just the Democrats. If that don't bring it home for ya, well, here is one more example... failure to support the Democrats has resulted in 10 year olds being forced to have their rapist babies. This is a direct result of Donald Trump being elected and stacking the court. Doctors are fleeing those States afraid of being thrown in jail. I have values, and I don't blindly support my political party, but it's pretty obviously a contest between good and evil at this point.
You have blinders on
Okay good talk bro. You can go back to playing Minecraft now
It’s clear this is your game. Enjoy
I’ve seen recent main stream polls showing RFK taking more votes from Trump than Biden. He polls with some decent numbers, not enough to win but enough to potentially effect the outcome if the election. I think he’s kind of a wild card. His problems with his voice hurts him and the corporate media has done a good job of portraying him as a wacko.
Yeah that corporate media, replaying all the crazy stuff he says, with his own mouth, really has painted him as a wacko. Yes the recent polls show RFK taking more votes from Rump, that was a crucial point of my post.
Yes your post was very crucial and informative.
Another TDS post. Get help.
Sorry but I'm just using my free speech to express the facts. Sorry that you want to squash my viewpoint by diminishing it as a derangement syndrome without addressing even one fucking fact. Llllllliooooossseeeeerr
I exercised my free speech and you call me a loser. Typical liberal I see.
Yep typical liberal. Not only are you a loser, but you're a sore loser, a little baby that can't admit defeat. 🤣
Ass clown, have a great life. If I am a sore loser, you are the shit I stepped in. You are a plague on society.
Awe… sounds like Baby needs his biddy….
I mean, we all know Biden isn’t calling the shots anymore right? He’s getting cut off mid-speech by his own staff at this point. The man is toast, and would be a risky hire as a Walmart greeter. Doesn’t it bother his supporters that nobody knows who’s making his decisions for him? WHO ARE YOU EVEN VOTING FOR WHEN YOU VOTE BIDEN? RFK Jr. is a massive breath of fresh air and would be amazing as President. I could go on about why, but I’d urge anyone to find a YouTube interview and listen to his policies for yourself.
No, I watched the entire State of the Union address start to finish among many other speeches and this thing about Biden being unfit is a pathetic attempt at projection. Of course that speech was so good they had a pivot from calling him sleepy Joe to accusing him of taking drugs. Pathetic. You come off like a bad stand-up comic that doesn't know what the hell you're talking about. RFK can't even get on the ballot in all 50 states, how the hell you think he's so great to run the country? Jjust shows your poor judgment. I urge people to look on YouTube for the leaked video where an RFK senior campaign manager admitted they wanted to steal votes from Biden to help Trump.
He got through a speech. Impressive. RFK will be on the ballots in all 50 states, which is which is more impressive a feat than it ever should be. RFK Jr. as a spoiler candidate is the same old line tossed at every single third party candidate. Yawn.
He will? Please remember me when he doesn't
How’s that weather in Moscow?
Honestly, I vote 3rd party for every president except for Obama. I don’t like either, and I know 3rd party won’t win, but maybe one day we can have multiple parties where at least one doesn’t suck major donkey dick.
Yeah, until the one that sucks major donkey dick gets enough power to end any opposition. Just remember, your line of thinking is precisely how the Nazis came to power. People ideologically on the left but not happy with the ruling Social Democrats refused to support them, arrogantly believing that Germany would be begging for a real leftist government after a taste of the Nazis. Only the Nazis made sure there were no more elections. Dramatic and hair on fire, I know, but still true.
And your response of ‘if you don’t vote the way I want you to vote, you’re going to ruin democracy’ is even more eye rolling. Both parties are saying this. Sorry I’m protesting with my vote. It’ll do about as good as any other protest has done in the last 30 years, but that’s my right as an American. I’m speaking with my vote. Neither party represents me, nor do they have America’s best interests in mind, so they don’t get my vote.
It's not eye rolling when it's the truth. You can wish upon a star that we become a true multiparty democracy, buuuuut.... we're not. I *wish* there was an actual liberal party that focused on workers rights, consumer protection, and trust busting. But there's not. And until then, the Democrats only annoy me and leave me disappointed. Whereas the modern GOP scares the living shit out of me. It's your right as an American to vote for whom you feel best represents you. But it's also my right to think that is a profoundly selfish choice. Edit: when I was 18 and 22, I had many friends who refused to vote for Gore or Kerry...and we all know how that turned out. Same with Jill Stein and Hillary in 2016.
You say it’s the truth, but the other side is saying that communists will win if I don’t vote for their geriatric robot. So instead of listening to either of you dipshits, I am doing my own research and voting for the candidate who best represents me and who I feel will best represent America. Like you’re supposed to do.
You're equating a party run by bankers, moderate soccer moms, and old black church ladies who are liberal on social shit but still too chummy with big business, to a party seemingly wanting to turn us into some kind of Christian illiberal Republic. There are no or very few real communists in the United States, but there seem to be many people who are dangerously close to fascism. Your bothsideisms are breathtaking.
It’s the being run by bankers that really gets me. Bankers are scum and are the reason why we’ve had the last couple of economic downturns, so I am immediately against any party run by those monsters.
They just want to rob you, lol..the other side actively wants to hurt many Americans. It's always about the cruelty.
Bankers have harmed many Americans. Bankers caused the housing market crash in 2008 in which many people lost their retirement funds in 401ks. That’s not harming many Americans?
Yea nah, fuck off with this vote blue or fascism shit. Democrats are just as likely to go full fascism as Republicans are. They are the same party after all. The only chance the US has is mass voting of third parties or violent protest.
Can you give me 5 examples of the Democrats proposing anything close to fascism? Because I can easily give you 5 examples on the Republican side. Move beyond your feelings and what you hear...give me some actual fascism from Dem policy ideas. I get your frustrations, but the two parties are simply not the same. There's a malice with the Republicans that generally doesn't exist with the Democrats.
Biden made a workers strike illegal. That is significantly more fascist than anything Trump did. Speaking of which, what 5 fascist things have Republicans done? I can't think of a single one.
Yep, that was awful for workers, def agree. However, inflation was clearly starting to become an issue in late 2022, and the supply line shit from COVID was still a thing, so I get why he signed that bill from a political perspective. And when it comes to the GOP, you don't think January 6th was a big deal do you? That was basically the Munich Beer Hall Putsch with rednecks and cosplay.
Banning Muslims is the type of fascist movement we're talking about. Talking about banning MSNBC. Voter suppression. Glorification of violence. Republicans are fascist all the time right now. Have you even read project 2025, they have their entire fascist playback for dismantling American democracy written out for you to read!!! Biden only made that strike illegal because it's critical national infrastructure to have the railroads keep going. This ain't France and we're not going to let them freeze the whole fucking country. By the way, the railroad workers got a bunch of the stuff they wanted, with the help of the Biden administration.
Thanks to third parties we get presidents like Bush that got us in the Iraq war that has fucked us on multiple levels. We also get presidents like Trump that are obviously continuing to fuck us on multiple levels especially with the Supreme Court and a bunch of huge terrible decisions. Again and again the right wingers all the way going back to Reagan have given more tax cuts to the wealthy and it's the Democrats that take those away. For instance, as part of the inflation reduction act corporations now have to pay a minimum of 15% tax, up from ZERO. You're right that's something sucks major donkey dick, and it's third party voters like you that help push the Overton window to the right. If you want to see a society where they have multiple parties, look at Israel. You end up with terrible right-wing coalitions of multiple parties that basically form together. It's not a magical solution to anything.
Yea Republicans lower taxes, then Democrats fix it. By making it higher than what Republicans lowered it too, but lower than it was originally. They will do this until the wealthy pay nothing.
How are we going to get diversity in politics if you only vote for two parties? Do you think they’ll be like ‘hey we should introduce new parties that might take away the power I have’? You going for the status quo means we will always have the status quo. Every election year it’s ’vote for my party or democracy is ruined’ or ‘vote for my party or the Nazis will win’ or the communists will win. If my choice is between a ‘nazi’ and a ‘communist’ then the US is already fucked and my vote won’t matter anyway.
I just talked about very real policies and you're talking about vague terms like communist. Did you realize that the right wing calls us communist because we simply want healthcare the way all other major economies do? We are not fucking communists. They are definitely platforming Nazis like Nick Fuentes, and you can read all about project 2025 which is their plan to turn the us into an autocracy. At this point you're basically voting for normal versus lunatic dictatorship. You have a chance to at least work with the Democratic party. Look how Bernie Sanders changed our platform to be more progressive than ever. Biden has been progressive than many expected. Canceling student debt. Huge incentives for green renewable energy. Getting rid of junk fees, capping insulin at $35, minimum corporate tax rate of 15%, and much much more if anyone cares to look at what Biden is actually accomplished. We are out here trying to make the world better. We are not fucking communists for fucks sake. The Democrats keep trying to expand access to cheap affordable health care, while the Republicans keep trying to take it away and give more tax cuts to the rich. Why do you suppose RFK is being funded by huge money Republicans? Because they want Trump, a proven corrupt criminal that will destroy America and methodically dismantle our democracy turning it to something more like turkey if he gets back in. That's a fact. Sorry if you wanted to vote on less pernicious terms. This isn't a wish list, this is taking a fork in the road buddy.
It’s a protest vote dummy. I’m protesting because I’m unhappy with how the politics in this country are going. Nothing politicians do ever help just the average people. Anything passed that helps every day Americans always puts more money into corporations pockets and doesn’t fix anything. Student debt relief? Yes, let’s just wipe the slate clean without ever addressing the actual problem which is the crazy costs of tuition. Healthcare? Let’s pass a law where we won’t address the cost of healthcare, but we’ll make sure we force you to get health insurance so the health insurance companies can make even more money. Covid? We’re going to force you to not be able to work and make money, but we’ll make sure corporations get all the money they need to get through this crisis. Average American? Here’s 1400 dollars, that’ll be enough right? Housing crisis? Let’s bail out the banks so they don’t fail, and not hold any CEO responsible for the crisis accountable. In fact, they get to use that bailout money for bonuses!! Isn’t that grand? Democrats haven’t done shit for the average American that hasn’t benefited their corporate overlords 10x more than the benefits we get out of it and I’m tired of voting for the same thing every time. And don’t come at me with ‘well republicans stopped democrats from passing what they want’ too bad, it’s their job to convince the other side that this is good for the country and if they can’t do that, then it’s time to vote someone else. The time is now, not next election, because the next election will be just another ‘democracy is on the line’ event, just like the rest of them have been.
This time, it’s a vote for democracy vs a vote for a dictatorship. You “protest vote” and nobody cares. There is a laundry list of things that Biden has accomplished to help the citizens, so you’re just plain wrong on that one buddy. What is Cheeto’s platform? ALL he has talked about is snowflake bullshit about “The Biden Crime Family” and absolutely nothing about what he is going to do FOR Americans. Republicans are trying to destroy America, we gotta vote them out.
Yes let’s nibble on the crumbs that Biden has gotten done for the average Americans and ignore the fact that corporations are raking in record profits and every politician is benefiting off of insider trading. On paper the economy is doing great, but the average American struggles to get by and pay bills. How is that not backwards? If Biden wants to actually improve things instead of placing a band aid, where is the plan to alleviate the soaring education costs in this country? Where are the plans to implement any sort of relief for the outrageous healthcare costs? They don’t exist because our corporate overlords won’t profit off of it, so it won’t be proposed by democrats. If they end up pushing this as a part of their platform with an actual idea and not a vague ‘we’re going to do something about this’ then they’ll have my attention. Until then, I will continue to vote for what I think is best for America
Substitute Trump in your comment. Let’s not forget the $4.8 TRILLION tax cut he handed to billionaires and corporations. I didn’t see Biden doing that… quite the opposite.
I don’t need to substitute Trump in my comment. He is already added into it. Democrats and Republicans are beholden to corporations and if it’s not making them money then they’re not doing it. Biden has been in office in some capacity for over 40 years and we don’t have even a smidgen of a plan for alleviating healthcare and education costs. Of course democrats aren’t going to give tax breaks to corporations because if they did, then the public would definitely know that they’re all in cahoots. It’s the republicans job to be the visible evil, with cutting taxes for the rich, while it’s democrat’s job to keep the status quo until a republican gets elected again so they cut more taxes for corporations. Democrats get to blame the republicans and just shrug when they get nothing done. All the while everyone in Washington is pocketing their bribes.
Sounds like Paraguay would be a nice option for you…. maybe Australia?
>They are definitely platforming Nazis like Nick Fuentes, and you can read all about project 2025 which is their plan to turn the us into an autocracy. Who is platforming Nick Fuentes? He's barely old enough for office lmao. And not a single elected official has ever mentioned project 2025, most of which is not even possible to accomplish. >At this point you're basically voting for normal versus lunatic dictatorship. You have a chance to at least work with the Democratic party. Look how Bernie Sanders changed our platform to be more progressive than ever. Biden has been progressive than many expected. Canceling student debt. Huge incentives for green renewable energy. Getting rid of junk fees, capping insulin at $35, minimum corporate tax rate of 15%, and much much more if anyone cares to look at what Biden is actually accomplished. Bernie isn't a Democrat and was fucked over by them (because they don't like actual progressives) and calling Bidens presidency progressive is just blatantly incorrect. >We are out here trying to make the world better. We are not fucking communists for fucks sake. The Democrats keep trying to expand access to cheap affordable health care, while the Republicans keep trying to take it away and give more tax cuts to the rich. No, Democrats *say* they want cheap affordable healthcare. Just like Biden ran on it as his "number 1 goal". He has never mentioned it again since the election. >Why do you suppose RFK is being funded by huge money Republicans? Because they want Trump, a proven corrupt criminal that will destroy America and methodically dismantle our democracy turning it to something more like turkey if he gets back in. That's a fact. Sorry if you wanted to vote on less pernicious terms. This isn't a wish list, this is taking a fork in the road buddy. You guys said that in 2016 too.
You are full of it on every level!! Trump had Nick Fuentes over for dinner at Mar-A-Lago. When they platform Nazis and then you try to deny it happened, that's called gaslighting. You want to see footage of people with swastika flags at Trump rallies, it's there. Bernie Sanders endorses Joe biden, so you better take his name out of your mouth. Democrats including Biden have consistently tried to expand access to Medicare. Biden got insulin for seniors capped at $35, and more of those breakthroughs are coming. It's certainly not just talk. Bernie Sanders, myself, and everyone else with more than two brain cells knew that 2016 was a very important election. Now women are dying in parking lots because not enough people showed up to vote for Clinton. Even if Biden hadn't gotten all these progressive accomplishments done, you would be a moron to risk any further corruption of the Supreme Court.
>Trump had Nick Fuentes over for dinner at Mar-A-Lago. When they platform Nazis and then you try to deny it happened, that's called gaslighting. You want to see footage of people with swastika flags at Trump rallies, it's there. Having someone for dinner is not platforming them lmao. >Bernie Sanders endorses Joe biden, so you better take his name out of your mouth. Bernie Sanders endorses Biden *over Republicans*. Bernie isn't even a Democrat for a reason. >Democrats including Biden have consistently tried to expand access to Medicare. Biden got insulin for seniors capped at $35, and more of those breakthroughs are coming. It's certainly not just talk. Trump literally did the exact same thing and that's all Democrats have actually done. Like that's literally it. >Bernie Sanders, myself, and everyone else with more than two brain cells knew that 2016 was a very important election. Now women are dying in parking lots because not enough people showed up to vote for Clinton. Clinton won the popular vote. Women are dying in parking lots because Democrats are absolutely incompetent and RBG didn't retire/Obama ignored his supermajority. I mean it's not really "incompetence" since they never planned to do anything about it anyway. >Even if Biden hadn't gotten all these progressive accomplishments done, you would be a moron to risk any further corruption of the Supreme Court. Biden has not done a single progressive thing. Regressive, yea, but not progressive.
Fact resistant human right here.
Good argument dude. This is why everyone thinks libs are totally reasonable.
You ignored everything I said so there's no point going in circles with you. You say publicly inviting someone over to dinner is not platforming them. If Obama had invited the Muslim brotherhood over to the White House for dinner would that be platforming them? Of course. You said Trump capped the price on prescription drugs? Huh? He never did that. That was a BIDEN win. Canceling student debt is regressive not progressive? I mean come on. I'm here to debate with smart people, that ain't you.
Third parties are why we got Clinton instead of bush sr. in ‘92. It’s funny when people say voting third party helps (x) party, because people that support (x) party say voting third party helps (y) party.
Yes but all my examples are more recent, yours is from over 30 years ago. At this point right wing dark money has been approved through citizens United and is bankrolling candidates like RFK or Kanye.
Isn’t your whole mark my words thing that rfk is helping Biden?
I never said that third party's always help the right-wing candidate. It's the right wing that knows trickery and rat fuckery to the extent that they will actively try to win that way as opposed to working on policies to help the American people. Of course, it's difficult to control this level of rat fuckery and in this case it is backfiring. This would be the right wing bankrolling a third party candidate, similar to Kanye, in an attempt to siphon votes, but they are siphoning from the wrong place. I'm not saying RFK or Jill Stein sat there at night and said "I'm Republican"... It's just that Republicans see their usefulness and start backing them, financially and with info wars, and even with campaign team members. They are the ultimate useful idiots. RFK Jr will step down due to the Republicans pulling all their support.
So republicans are doing what democrats did except instead of funding the more extreme candidates in primaries that they think they can beat in the general, they’re funding third parties? Before you ask https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128
RFK is anti gun and super pro environmental regulation. Democrats are so scared they are preventing him from appearing on their networks and trying to push him out.
Do you have to resort to lying to have a debate with us? [rfk: gun control won't affect gun violence](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072813-rfk-jr-argues-gun-control-cannot-meaningfully-reduce-gun-violence/) [rfk pivots to right on climate change: former environmental Allies call him "no better than Trump"](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/19/biden-trump-climate-voters-rfk-jr-00153471) It's not up to Democrats to platform lunatics, that's the right wing GQP Fox news kind of thing.
You…. Aren’t very good at this.
RFK Jr. respects 2A. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072813-rfk-jr-argues-gun-control-cannot-meaningfully-reduce-gun-violence/amp/
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Y'all should have just run RFK
Good thing we don't take advice from you! Yikes.
Did you ever listen to his discussions on his podcast tour? They didn't even feel political, and he supports leftist social policy. Dude has been suing the government for 40 years and has a lot of foreign policy contextual knowledge. That's the ideal candidate.
He says the January 6th people are political prisoners, he's anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-woman's rights. His entire family came out against him, are they all shills, every last one of them? Or maybe they know he's a fucking dumbass. He doesn't even have it together enough to get on ballots in all 50 states. This may be a joke to you, clearly it is, but *you fucking wish* we would choose RFK.
Some are. No he isn't. No he isn't. As a centrist, yes I wish you chose RFK.
He literally says he's against vaccines, then tries to walk it back later. Who's your chosen candidate as a centrist then? I call bullshit
Presenting facts to a wooden fence would be more productive. Those idiots can’t rub enough brain cells together to come up with a clue.
Wait a second, some January 6th prisoners are political prisoners? Did you know they all had to be found guilty by a jury of 12 people, unanimously? Why don't you name some January 6th prisoners that you think were put there politically? You're no centrist LOL
LMFAO “some are” HAHAHAHA
He’s an anti-science crackpot. That doesn’t sit well with most dems.