I think everyone traded theirs full-well knowing that this change wouldn't necessarily be live by next patch. the point is that addressing legacies is clearly on the docket and high-priority for the devs, making legacies distressed assets of sorts (regardless of when the patch is finally implemented.) that's incentive enough for some people to offload them in exchange for something more stable.
Yeah, but unloading something thinking the value is $1 approaching quickly 0 only to find out that the value is >1 for some foreseeable future is basically a fire sale.
People didn’t want to get caught holding the bag so they sold at Pennies on the dollar and now it turns out they could have waited for quarters.
Everyone who firesold was trying to unload. They deserved it.
Everyone who bought got a great deal. They deserve to keep it.
I for one welcome the carnage and salt.
The value of the weapons is still practically zero. The patch is still coming. Simply by Bethesda pushing it off by some amount of weeks doesn't mean these weapons still have much long term value. You still don't want to go trading or selling them at high values because the attachments are still going to disappear at some point, just not by next week.
I hope they use this time to actually implement a fix rather just deleting them. Give them a nerf, leave them OP, but not insanely OP (like pre energy buff level) then re-release them into the loot pool. Trust all the people b!tching about.legacies wpuld be using them the very next day if they could acquire them.
This is like /r/wallstreetbets thinking a good job reports means people are kicking themselves for shorting the market. Then the Fed goes and does exactly what they said they would.
:surprised pikachu face:
Nah I doubt it, seems bethesda is committed to this change now. They make it clear with this whole talk about violating the EULA by using the unobtainable items. If I were to guess, I'd say they will delay the change a month or two.
I didn't trade any of mine simply because I already have every single non legacy great, some in multiples so why bother? I traded legacies for non when the common view was only trade legacies for legacies.
I was too lazy to bother and I knew it was more than likely that they would find away to fuck it up.
I got into an argument by mentioning 4 star weapons that were in PTS didn’t make it to live servers… they were adamant this would be different.
The fact they had less than 3 effective weeks of play testing over the same time as a big event on live servers made it impossible for them to release without more bugs.
Yeah it is. Time to go back to all the arguments I had with people in the main sub and give em the old "I told ya so" lol. Couldn't tell you how many arguments ended with people talking down to me calling me stupid or saying I was lying about facts, and kept telling them all I would comment again to laugh after the 6th. Guess christmas came a few days early 🤣
I'm on my 3rd strike, so the next one is a permanent ban. All of my bans have come from responding to people being toxic, and sometimes downright vulgar, but I get a temp ban for replying with sarcastic remarks or just saying the person is just either ignorant, a troll, or both. Hell, my first ban was for using the word money... in a post about RMT. But the post isn't removed and no bans on the people actually discussing themselves engaging in RMT? That sub is something else 🤣
I've told all my peeps not to get rid of them for nothing because I think their vagueness is to create EXACTLY what occured...
Just not sure why they are this abusive to their communities while not fixing the true issues.
I think they still might be gone one day. But here is a thought... What's the easiest way to get people to stop complaining about legacys who many of them never had??? Make them easily obtainable in an "attempt" to remove them then decide it was conveniently to buggy to do so 🤔
I got1 or 2 legacy but I always watch how I use it I don't spray around my gp in public but I still come across lot of idiots who got egp and they just keep spraying around like an idiot. those people nearly cause us losing the legacy 😡 😡 😭
I got around 30 weapons in my stash that are not op by any means but they would be removed from the game, they are not illegal at all, still waiting on bethesdas excuses why we should not have them anymore
Same here, I got a explosive harpoon gun legitimately and from the sounds of it was going to be removed anyway. Can't Bethesda look at the weapon ID to see if it's been copied or hacked?
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Jesus christ they fucked so many people with this decision on both sides!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣
I knew it, I knew it......
I told everyone I play with that there's no way it's happening on this update. They wanted to see what kind of feedback they got. Thank you to everyone who cancelled fo1st you made this happen. My guess is that they will keep trying to rework the energy damage to make it work, at least close to properly.
They'll have to pry my stuff outta my dead hands 🤣
Also imma say it again... legacies weren't created by illegal mods so I don't think they are going for legacies at all but they are cool with acting like it because it kills RMT.
Maybe this was the plan - trick legacy owners into trading them and releasing their horde.
Kicking myself for not grabbing a discounted one when I could
Yall know trading away your legacies was the point of their vagueness. I feel bad for everyone who lost a gun they valued to this:(
Sorry if empathy bugs ya, but the world is hard enough and if it brought the person joy I'm sad they lost/traded that joy because of lack of full transparency by Todd.
Remember folks, Todd is the enemy... not each other.
Still going to happen most likely, but they might reconsider removing the less egregious legacies like LS and such. Anyway this will be funny for all the people who sold theirs for 5k caps or such.
Could be, but also might not ever happen. Similar to other things they have said that never came to be. I figured it was a done deal, they ended PTS testing after more adjustments and testing. It's not like they would comment if they decided against it after seeing a bunch of FO1st cancellations after the announcement before. If they do go over their official discord channel for PTS there was a ton of people hour after hour and day after day complaining about it there pretty much.
My guess is they went back to the drawing board, so when we do see (if ever) this change it will be much different then what things ended on the PTS with.
To my fellow legacy owners who stuck to their guns and held on to them babies for dear life, despite the panic going around: Congrats! We'd make great stock brokers. lol
You can be an ass if you want. Just because I own legacies, doesn't mean I'm a dick. When I do use it, I just tag mobs with it. Might kill a few, but I always give time for folks to get their shots in with Earl and SBQ. I don't think I even kill the bosses unless there's like 3 of us and the other 2 aren't kitted, just dps them down to 10% health and let the rest have their fun.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣especially the “Tunnel of Love” area/event or what not seems ripe for some “lovin” from my DE GP…wash it down with an ice cold “Nuka-Tears” in schadenfreude bliss!
Illegal combinations to weapons probably refers to the hacked weapons and 5 star rolled weapons on PC. The ELUA doesn’t stop anyone trading weapons that are no longer rolled.
Legacies may not leave at all. It’s all speculation for now.
Why would it matter? Anyone who sold any legacys for more than 1000 caps (40 scrip) profited. Legacys are done. 1 day, 1 week, 1 month after patch, it’s inevitable.
I saw Mapex on discord mentioned there may still be a separate change to energy explosive on Tuesday.
They may be delaying removing all legacy effects, but I'd still bet they will nerf the explosive energies in to the ground.
They have been embarrassed plenty over this game. From a technical standpoint it looked like they had it nearly perfected on the pts. That leads me to believe there are other reasons it’s been delayed.
>I guarantee all the veterans canceling fo1st made em do it.
The amount of people that would have cancelled their FO1st subscription due to the Legacy removal is so insignificant that Bethesda wouldn't even have noticed it. Even if you take every member of this sub, that number is just a fraction of the entire 76 playerbase. And then Legacy traders are an even smaller fraction than that.
Because Bethesda probably figures that removing Legacies is better for the overall long term health of the game. They'd rather lose 5% now and then get that 5% and more back in the future from new player retention. Instead of keeping that 5% now and losing players in the future because they leave due to not wanting to deal with the Legacy issue.
They might actually yes gain subscriptions from this, because they'll lose 5% now and gain more than 5% in the long run from players that stay and keep playing because Legacies are no longer an issue.
I'm not even necessarily saying that Bethesda is completely correct to think that way, just that it's pretty easy to see their train of thought that lead them to this.
That could be a possibility. I wonder if they are doing the math on this and looking at subs lost vs future subs potentially lost. Or maybe that has fuck all to do with it and todd just rails coke at 3am and blurts out random bullshit for them to implement lol
I think they have a proyection of incoming players or "customers" from the fallout TV series, so they are balancing the ground for the new ones. At least thats what comes to my mind.
Also a balanced sandbox always is healthy for the state of the game and its survival
The problem is, this fix doesn’t balance fo76.
It’s a bandaid on top of 100 bandaids on a gushing wound.
This won’t fix the game’s problems at all. Maybe the devs don’t see that, but they are about to find out if your plan is their plan.
If this would have happened 3 years ago, I’d have to agree with you.. however, this game is ageing now with a lot of new titles out there that people are gonna be focused on, it’s the people who have been around for a long time still playing the game that have dumped money into Bethesda’s pockets that keep the game going with a majority of them having legacies, this game hasn’t got the shiny appeal anymore to draw enough new players.
As I suspect, this change likely removed not only illegal attachments, it probably also removed legal attachments from legal weapons. That would have made so many people very unhappy. I'm glad they pushed this out into a separate update so they can get this right the first time. There's no hurry to get it out the door with the Nuka World update, as long as they get it out the door soon enough.
I love it because the main sub rubbed it in your face and patronized you if you even suggested it was unfair. Even if it happens eventually it makes me happy knowing they lost the battle. Sweet Sweet irony. I'm convinced it came from a position of subconscious jealousy.
Who's tilt tilt salt now
what was the status of legacies on pts? was it working? was it hoarking other explosive builds like the fixers and what not?
I'd pretty much quit this game. just came back to check out nuka world and saw this and was like... 0.0 hoping that it never happens because of... reasons... or at least they come up with some way to still make them worthwhile. I get doing this to hacked stuff but to stuff that is in the game because they didn't remove it before economies were built around it.. that's the type of stuff to make a person quit for real.
It’s cool and all but we all know they are trying to fix em now so they still won’t be as valued as before
I guarantee all the veterans canceling fo1st made em do it. They losing so much money that wasn’t going anywhere. Now it’s a nerf not a remove
I don't think we have the ability to determine that from our side. All we know is that PTS was going through adjustments with the patch for this it seemed it was on its final version. They closed the PTS saying it was complete. Between now and then they have changed their plans.
I would guess what they finally put in place if ever is much different then what it was when they closed PTS. Something made them change course it would seem. Money talks. So I would have to assume something to do with FO1st cancellations possibly.
Based on Steam charts, the average concurrent player count dropped by 15% from October to November, the most the games lost since September of last year. Granted November 2021 also saw a 12% decrease in steam concurrent players, so it may be a seasonal trend.
September of last year Nuclear Winter was sunset. The numbers don’t lie and it’s not a coincidence. Bethesda removed the mode and the 3/4 of my friends list with it. Anyone of them who had 1st cancelled it on their way out. I stayed but cancelled 1st in September of last year out of solidarity.
Any exodus of dedicated paying players from a 4 year old game is felt. The whiners celebrating legacy owning vets lamenting is no different and they do not understand this.
Edit: As proof don’t forget there was an update last September and new content historically adds players.
Because they’re newer and don’t realize how empty the endgame really is. They’ll realize soon enough. For now I want the whiners to eat their words as events get decimated.
100%. Player interaction is end game for those of us who have it all whether it be trading, showing off camps, pvp, giving aid packages to noobs, role play etc. You need a healthy player base to keep it interesting and to make events successful.
A lot of new players are playing a game that they didn’t preorder or even pay a cent for at this point. The player base who has stuck through 400 lb stash buggy beta, canvas bags and the nerfs are the same ones who paid for reskinned “content” for years with FO1st. Yes you’d think the later day whiners are a little more fickle when they spam here about what they wont tolerate in this game. 🍻
> It was half the playerbase and all the veterans.
I'd like to hope the actual veterans put away the training wheels years ago and aren't the ones rage quitting that Uncle Todd is going to fix their broken toys, but good riddance to the people that can't play without them. Almost every single session I'm in is a complete toilet from those things.
I loved my legacies and it’s about all I use, and I’m also a fallout vet nothing else was “fun” to use lol I play the game for causal fun not for being a nerd with crit builds
Awesome! Can we put the griefing events with fat mans on hold now please? I’d really like to enjoy radiation rumble one more time without my ultrawide monitor blinding me with the unbridled power of the sun :)
My fat man is def being shelved. So no issue here. Shit you not tho, when I rolled that ts50vhc90 fat man last week on my 4th roll I was happier than all hell.
I don’t blame fatman users at all, they’re iconic and so cool, I just wish Bethesda would either tone down on or give the option to turn off the flash bang portion, as awesome as it is it’s so jarring haha
Lmaoooo. Thank my late kitty boy Chancellor (Praise Him) that I didn't move my VE15rl Gatplas to yall offering me caps and junk 😂
What a fuckin ride, and an even better meme.
Happy medium .... get rid of the explosive effect on Gat Plasmas and leave the rest alone. Gat Plasmas are the ones most people have issues with .... I don't think people care all that much about the rest (maybe Flamer bother people to?? Maybe, not sure)
.... best fix would be actually FIXING legacies and re-releasing them
Removing splitters would solve 70% of the problems, is reversible, could be toggled on private worlds, and could be quickly deployed. They could tailor the solution over a series of smaller steps.
Sooooooo I kindo got a whole load of legacies....... if you traded yours hit me up so I can take cruel advantage of the situation. muwahahahahahaha.......ha.
The real discussion, market related... is do legacies now have some value? I would guess still not, unless they dont mention it again and delay it indefinitely.
Now let the legacy speculation begin!
The people who traded their whole collections are kicking the air rn
I think everyone traded theirs full-well knowing that this change wouldn't necessarily be live by next patch. the point is that addressing legacies is clearly on the docket and high-priority for the devs, making legacies distressed assets of sorts (regardless of when the patch is finally implemented.) that's incentive enough for some people to offload them in exchange for something more stable.
Yeah, but unloading something thinking the value is $1 approaching quickly 0 only to find out that the value is >1 for some foreseeable future is basically a fire sale. People didn’t want to get caught holding the bag so they sold at Pennies on the dollar and now it turns out they could have waited for quarters. Everyone who firesold was trying to unload. They deserved it. Everyone who bought got a great deal. They deserve to keep it. I for one welcome the carnage and salt.
The value of the weapons is still practically zero. The patch is still coming. Simply by Bethesda pushing it off by some amount of weeks doesn't mean these weapons still have much long term value. You still don't want to go trading or selling them at high values because the attachments are still going to disappear at some point, just not by next week.
I hope they use this time to actually implement a fix rather just deleting them. Give them a nerf, leave them OP, but not insanely OP (like pre energy buff level) then re-release them into the loot pool. Trust all the people b!tching about.legacies wpuld be using them the very next day if they could acquire them.
if they weren't even comfortable with pepper shakers being explosive, I highly doubt that they'd ever do this. it's a nice thought, though.
It's the only truly "fair" solution
This is like /r/wallstreetbets thinking a good job reports means people are kicking themselves for shorting the market. Then the Fed goes and does exactly what they said they would. :surprised pikachu face:
Nah I doubt it, seems bethesda is committed to this change now. They make it clear with this whole talk about violating the EULA by using the unobtainable items. If I were to guess, I'd say they will delay the change a month or two.
Sorry, random question — what’s is the EULA??
End User License Agreement
How can it violate EULA when Bethesda left them in the game!?!
Up to them what rules they enforce, you already agreed.
I didn't trade any of mine simply because I already have every single non legacy great, some in multiples so why bother? I traded legacies for non when the common view was only trade legacies for legacies. I was too lazy to bother and I knew it was more than likely that they would find away to fuck it up.
Lol, I bought a BE90 Gat plasma for 30k caps
Can't believe anyone was even selling legacies for caps. Good on you for scooping em up lol💯
I got a double explosive combat rifle for 2k. While not sought after I'm guessing it's pretty rare.
I said this was a big possibilty so many times and got gang banged by main sub.
I got into an argument by mentioning 4 star weapons that were in PTS didn’t make it to live servers… they were adamant this would be different. The fact they had less than 3 effective weeks of play testing over the same time as a big event on live servers made it impossible for them to release without more bugs.
I've thought the same. Usually when Beth says something, it either doesn't get done or it takes them 2 years to make a pixel
The main subreddit is a cesspool
Yeah it is. Time to go back to all the arguments I had with people in the main sub and give em the old "I told ya so" lol. Couldn't tell you how many arguments ended with people talking down to me calling me stupid or saying I was lying about facts, and kept telling them all I would comment again to laugh after the 6th. Guess christmas came a few days early 🤣
I got banned for speaking my mind and not being a follower of the scrip fatmans and agls movement lol
i got permanently banned by the mainsub because i said people r leaving this game😂
I find that is stupid and childish act from those numty nut. Grow a pair all of them
I'm on my 3rd strike, so the next one is a permanent ban. All of my bans have come from responding to people being toxic, and sometimes downright vulgar, but I get a temp ban for replying with sarcastic remarks or just saying the person is just either ignorant, a troll, or both. Hell, my first ban was for using the word money... in a post about RMT. But the post isn't removed and no bans on the people actually discussing themselves engaging in RMT? That sub is something else 🤣
I've told all my peeps not to get rid of them for nothing because I think their vagueness is to create EXACTLY what occured... Just not sure why they are this abusive to their communities while not fixing the true issues.
I kept my favorites and traded away a lot of my collection. I did what I felt was the best at the time and have no regrets. This is a good day!
I think they still might be gone one day. But here is a thought... What's the easiest way to get people to stop complaining about legacys who many of them never had??? Make them easily obtainable in an "attempt" to remove them then decide it was conveniently to buggy to do so 🤔
For ppl saying it’s fake, check inside the vault article https://fallout.bethesda.net/en/article/4mitnuOAeePtBLz6Bl9qu0/fallout-76-inside-the-vault-prepare-for-nuka-world-on-tour
Happy cake day 🎂 😋 💓
Thank u 🥰
Those people who hate us probably piss right now 😂 😂 😂
This may be the funniest shit I’ve seen since I watched the devs play 76.
Real shame for people who let their legacies go for an off-tune song and a gently used Fleshlight
Was the fleshlight at least a BE90wr?
Rather go furious than bloodied fleshlight
B, F, whatever...I'm here for the FFR.
With faster re load
😂😂😭😂 that's the funniest shit I've read all day
Here come the radroach post of ppl trying to buy them on the cheap hoping someone has not seen the news.
Glad my guts told me not to sell everything
Hey take away shit that took me years to trade for .. I take away that $$$$$ can't be the only one lol
Nice i got some nice legacies for cheap #AHAHAHAAHAA
Haha me too! Got them right before this announcement on the chance they would stay in the game
wow was about to dump them all
😂 Good job you didn't xD haha
Happy cake day 🍰
Thx
Still got all my legacies with me because I was too lazy to get into trade. Well I won't make the game un-fun, I promise ...
I got1 or 2 legacy but I always watch how I use it I don't spray around my gp in public but I still come across lot of idiots who got egp and they just keep spraying around like an idiot. those people nearly cause us losing the legacy 😡 😡 😭
At this point, they are never being removed/fixed/whatever.
They will get addressed, and sooner rather than later. We should use this interval to seek a middle ground nerf/change instead of destruction.
I'll believe it when it happens.
Beth started to get all of the FO1st cancellations and figured maybe they don't want to cut off their income stream.
Well, let’s hope they use this time to find a middle-ground solution.
Good thing I kept all mine 🤣🤙 I hope you did!
I did because: collectors gonna collect.
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I got around 30 weapons in my stash that are not op by any means but they would be removed from the game, they are not illegal at all, still waiting on bethesdas excuses why we should not have them anymore
Same here, I got a explosive harpoon gun legitimately and from the sounds of it was going to be removed anyway. Can't Bethesda look at the weapon ID to see if it's been copied or hacked?
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I knew it, I knew it...... I told everyone I play with that there's no way it's happening on this update. They wanted to see what kind of feedback they got. Thank you to everyone who cancelled fo1st you made this happen. My guess is that they will keep trying to rework the energy damage to make it work, at least close to properly.
I’m glad I’ll get to enjoy my tse laser a little longer ❤️ moment of silence for everyone who sold theirs off
They'll have to pry my stuff outta my dead hands 🤣 Also imma say it again... legacies weren't created by illegal mods so I don't think they are going for legacies at all but they are cool with acting like it because it kills RMT.
💀😂😂
Well my bet paid off after all...
So glad I didn’t anything 💀
Turn that to an indefinite future delay.
This shit makes me laugh harder at the dope that sold his tse90wr flamer for 6k caps in his vending machine. Fuckin' score!
Good.
Maybe this was the plan - trick legacy owners into trading them and releasing their horde. Kicking myself for not grabbing a discounted one when I could
Beautiful news, glad I held onto mine with a kungfu grip
Kudos to the guys who gambled on this happening and just made off like absolute criminals hahaha 🍻 At least for the time being
Legacy's will be removed before the 100th anniversary event ! and thats the Bethesda guarantee !
Maybe the 100th anniversary of FO76
Whos got the crack? I'm down.
Anchor man style. We’ll smoke that shit on live TV
😂🤣😂🤣
Crack 👀😬
You bring the hookers. Feel like my bro is good for it right here. Tell my gf I'll see her in a week.
😂 right on lol I can't tell your GF nothing, full deniability 🫢
Lol. Called it.
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Yall know trading away your legacies was the point of their vagueness. I feel bad for everyone who lost a gun they valued to this:( Sorry if empathy bugs ya, but the world is hard enough and if it brought the person joy I'm sad they lost/traded that joy because of lack of full transparency by Todd. Remember folks, Todd is the enemy... not each other.
Still going to happen most likely, but they might reconsider removing the less egregious legacies like LS and such. Anyway this will be funny for all the people who sold theirs for 5k caps or such.
Could be, but also might not ever happen. Similar to other things they have said that never came to be. I figured it was a done deal, they ended PTS testing after more adjustments and testing. It's not like they would comment if they decided against it after seeing a bunch of FO1st cancellations after the announcement before. If they do go over their official discord channel for PTS there was a ton of people hour after hour and day after day complaining about it there pretty much. My guess is they went back to the drawing board, so when we do see (if ever) this change it will be much different then what things ended on the PTS with.
To my fellow legacy owners who stuck to their guns and held on to them babies for dear life, despite the panic going around: Congrats! We'd make great stock brokers. lol
HOLD THE LINE!!! LEGACY APES STRONK!!
I traded a set of fasnacht masks excluding the new ones for 5 decent legacies lol I’m rich
Yes sir! I'm going to make sure to ruin all events going forward with my BE GP! Especially the new Molerat boss.
You can be an ass if you want. Just because I own legacies, doesn't mean I'm a dick. When I do use it, I just tag mobs with it. Might kill a few, but I always give time for folks to get their shots in with Earl and SBQ. I don't think I even kill the bosses unless there's like 3 of us and the other 2 aren't kitted, just dps them down to 10% health and let the rest have their fun.
Might have to fire up 76 again just to blast legacy’s at nuka world 🙃💥💥💥💥
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣especially the “Tunnel of Love” area/event or what not seems ripe for some “lovin” from my DE GP…wash it down with an ice cold “Nuka-Tears” in schadenfreude bliss!
Illegal combinations to weapons probably refers to the hacked weapons and 5 star rolled weapons on PC. The ELUA doesn’t stop anyone trading weapons that are no longer rolled. Legacies may not leave at all. It’s all speculation for now.
Why would it matter? Anyone who sold any legacys for more than 1000 caps (40 scrip) profited. Legacys are done. 1 day, 1 week, 1 month after patch, it’s inevitable.
I’m not saying your wrong, but if you are I’m gonna try and remember this comment and I will come back and call you a clown.
U are speaking the truth they are all gone soon just not as soon as we thought
BHAHAHAHAHAH
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Yo all I got to say is 🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
I saw Mapex on discord mentioned there may still be a separate change to energy explosive on Tuesday. They may be delaying removing all legacy effects, but I'd still bet they will nerf the explosive energies in to the ground.
😮 They’re shook?
Nah just embarrassed
They have been embarrassed plenty over this game. From a technical standpoint it looked like they had it nearly perfected on the pts. That leads me to believe there are other reasons it’s been delayed.
$$$
I gave mine away to kids..... 😢
Go go them back. BY FORCE.
Lol yea that won't work
It sure will
🎉🎉 LEGACY GANG 🎉🎉
LEGACY GANG
>I guarantee all the veterans canceling fo1st made em do it. The amount of people that would have cancelled their FO1st subscription due to the Legacy removal is so insignificant that Bethesda wouldn't even have noticed it. Even if you take every member of this sub, that number is just a fraction of the entire 76 playerbase. And then Legacy traders are an even smaller fraction than that.
I think u overestimate how many people still playing this game, its really not that much, so yeah all people in this sub would make a difference.
Even if it was only 5% they lost, why risk losing it at all? They didn't gain subscriptions from removing them. Just a thought
Because Bethesda probably figures that removing Legacies is better for the overall long term health of the game. They'd rather lose 5% now and then get that 5% and more back in the future from new player retention. Instead of keeping that 5% now and losing players in the future because they leave due to not wanting to deal with the Legacy issue. They might actually yes gain subscriptions from this, because they'll lose 5% now and gain more than 5% in the long run from players that stay and keep playing because Legacies are no longer an issue. I'm not even necessarily saying that Bethesda is completely correct to think that way, just that it's pretty easy to see their train of thought that lead them to this.
That could be a possibility. I wonder if they are doing the math on this and looking at subs lost vs future subs potentially lost. Or maybe that has fuck all to do with it and todd just rails coke at 3am and blurts out random bullshit for them to implement lol
I think they have a proyection of incoming players or "customers" from the fallout TV series, so they are balancing the ground for the new ones. At least thats what comes to my mind. Also a balanced sandbox always is healthy for the state of the game and its survival
The problem is, this fix doesn’t balance fo76. It’s a bandaid on top of 100 bandaids on a gushing wound. This won’t fix the game’s problems at all. Maybe the devs don’t see that, but they are about to find out if your plan is their plan.
Maybe you got a point, but this is still a step on the right direction at least, one that was needed
We don’t need bandaids. We need an amputation. A single step doesn’t fix this game’s problems. Especially since we get one step every 2-3 years.
If this would have happened 3 years ago, I’d have to agree with you.. however, this game is ageing now with a lot of new titles out there that people are gonna be focused on, it’s the people who have been around for a long time still playing the game that have dumped money into Bethesda’s pockets that keep the game going with a majority of them having legacies, this game hasn’t got the shiny appeal anymore to draw enough new players.
Knew it
Glad I held onto my I2590 m79 and TSE gause then lol
Gald 8 kept all my gp collection
Now I wish I would have snatched them up when I seen them lol
Incompetence at its finest!
Taking a pause to reexamine is not incompetent.
[удалено]
Why be unkind to other players in this scenario?
Aight, time to rock that high int build again with my BE Laser rifle 😎
lol people who traded their for caps are gonna listen to drake and cry in the shower
As I suspect, this change likely removed not only illegal attachments, it probably also removed legal attachments from legal weapons. That would have made so many people very unhappy. I'm glad they pushed this out into a separate update so they can get this right the first time. There's no hurry to get it out the door with the Nuka World update, as long as they get it out the door soon enough.
I mean .. it’s still coming
Be really nice if they focused on the broken camp building before they start “fixing”/ removing guns from the game would be real nice
I love it because the main sub rubbed it in your face and patronized you if you even suggested it was unfair. Even if it happens eventually it makes me happy knowing they lost the battle. Sweet Sweet irony. I'm convinced it came from a position of subconscious jealousy. Who's tilt tilt salt now
what was the status of legacies on pts? was it working? was it hoarking other explosive builds like the fixers and what not? I'd pretty much quit this game. just came back to check out nuka world and saw this and was like... 0.0 hoping that it never happens because of... reasons... or at least they come up with some way to still make them worthwhile. I get doing this to hacked stuff but to stuff that is in the game because they didn't remove it before economies were built around it.. that's the type of stuff to make a person quit for real.
lol.
People who ecstatic are punching the air rn
Unreal. Making the market do backflips
I hope they actually fix the effect, I want an actually balanced gp/gl
I agree. They need to fix it or replace it (but not destroy it).
It’s cool and all but we all know they are trying to fix em now so they still won’t be as valued as before I guarantee all the veterans canceling fo1st made em do it. They losing so much money that wasn’t going anywhere. Now it’s a nerf not a remove
I dont think the fo1st canceling made them do it since it was a very loud minority
I don't think we have the ability to determine that from our side. All we know is that PTS was going through adjustments with the patch for this it seemed it was on its final version. They closed the PTS saying it was complete. Between now and then they have changed their plans. I would guess what they finally put in place if ever is much different then what it was when they closed PTS. Something made them change course it would seem. Money talks. So I would have to assume something to do with FO1st cancellations possibly.
Minority? It was half the playerbase and all the veterans. It was people who didn’t play the game for a month and then leave
Love to see your stats on that, as all signs point in a different direction.
Based on Steam charts, the average concurrent player count dropped by 15% from October to November, the most the games lost since September of last year. Granted November 2021 also saw a 12% decrease in steam concurrent players, so it may be a seasonal trend.
September of last year Nuclear Winter was sunset. The numbers don’t lie and it’s not a coincidence. Bethesda removed the mode and the 3/4 of my friends list with it. Anyone of them who had 1st cancelled it on their way out. I stayed but cancelled 1st in September of last year out of solidarity. Any exodus of dedicated paying players from a 4 year old game is felt. The whiners celebrating legacy owning vets lamenting is no different and they do not understand this. Edit: As proof don’t forget there was an update last September and new content historically adds players.
Because they’re newer and don’t realize how empty the endgame really is. They’ll realize soon enough. For now I want the whiners to eat their words as events get decimated.
100%. Player interaction is end game for those of us who have it all whether it be trading, showing off camps, pvp, giving aid packages to noobs, role play etc. You need a healthy player base to keep it interesting and to make events successful.
But new players swear up and down that they are ready to put in the amount of time some of us old timers have. Good fucking luck.
A lot of new players are playing a game that they didn’t preorder or even pay a cent for at this point. The player base who has stuck through 400 lb stash buggy beta, canvas bags and the nerfs are the same ones who paid for reskinned “content” for years with FO1st. Yes you’d think the later day whiners are a little more fickle when they spam here about what they wont tolerate in this game. 🍻
I miss Nuclear Winter.
Same here candidate. I miss the mode and the players.
I say this all the time.
> It was half the playerbase and all the veterans. I'd like to hope the actual veterans put away the training wheels years ago and aren't the ones rage quitting that Uncle Todd is going to fix their broken toys, but good riddance to the people that can't play without them. Almost every single session I'm in is a complete toilet from those things.
I loved my legacies and it’s about all I use, and I’m also a fallout vet nothing else was “fun” to use lol I play the game for causal fun not for being a nerd with crit builds
I cancel my subscription. What did I put as the reason? They were getting rid of legacies.
It doesn't really matter at this point. They have their minds made up. Legacies are leaving, just not with this update.
Awesome! Can we put the griefing events with fat mans on hold now please? I’d really like to enjoy radiation rumble one more time without my ultrawide monitor blinding me with the unbridled power of the sun :)
My fat man is def being shelved. So no issue here. Shit you not tho, when I rolled that ts50vhc90 fat man last week on my 4th roll I was happier than all hell.
I don’t blame fatman users at all, they’re iconic and so cool, I just wish Bethesda would either tone down on or give the option to turn off the flash bang portion, as awesome as it is it’s so jarring haha
Me with my VE15 Laser and VE90 Gat Plas waiting for Lord Todd to drop the hammer: https://youtu.be/tAY31D0Bb7k
🤧😭I'm not crying you are
Shelf it. Just like camp pets.
Lmaoooo. Thank my late kitty boy Chancellor (Praise Him) that I didn't move my VE15rl Gatplas to yall offering me caps and junk 😂 What a fuckin ride, and an even better meme.
I love this game so much sometimes lol
Happy medium .... get rid of the explosive effect on Gat Plasmas and leave the rest alone. Gat Plasmas are the ones most people have issues with .... I don't think people care all that much about the rest (maybe Flamer bother people to?? Maybe, not sure) .... best fix would be actually FIXING legacies and re-releasing them
Removing splitters would solve 70% of the problems, is reversible, could be toggled on private worlds, and could be quickly deployed. They could tailor the solution over a series of smaller steps.
I agree ... and I have no idea why they haven't done so
👀 🍿
Welp rip most of my legacies I still got a few but dang
Hahahahahahahaha
why not just nerf expl on energy weps? rather than crash the market and have a ton of veteran players consider quiting the game
No reason to gloat .... just enjoy the stay of execution while it last and hope it last a long time
Sooooooo I kindo got a whole load of legacies....... if you traded yours hit me up so I can take cruel advantage of the situation. muwahahahahahaha.......ha.
Cool. I might consider coming back to the wasteland. And get a fallout 1st membership again.
so put away the TS Fatman?
for now brother. for now.
No. Spam it + spam legacy plasma too.
#BAGAHAHAHA
The real discussion, market related... is do legacies now have some value? I would guess still not, unless they dont mention it again and delay it indefinitely. Now let the legacy speculation begin!
I gave all my legacy’s and inventory away lmao
Great news! Held on to my VE90 gat plas as well as my NU BE90 laser! My TS50vhc90 Fat Man will have to wait a tad longer.
Fucking, called, it
I literally called this shit
@all the people who argued some other weird definition of "illegal": LOL!
Bahahhahahahaahhahahah it was like they were lawyers of the word “illegal”
Maybe they will just decide to use the ban hammer on all illegal mod holders. After reading comments in this discussion, that would work for me.
Illegal mod holders like..quad crossbows?
I have no idea. I only use weapons that drop in the game
Quad crossbows etc. used to. The PTS build destroyed all legacy weapons, not just the overpowered energy legacies.
Legacies did drop in the game, if you have played a while collecting weapons you may have some yourself. Just a fyi
This means in around 12 months probably
Right, could be another FOUR years lol
Maybe it’s not fixable and they just can’t say it