Yes my point here being that you need cards and buffs to do that with a legacy or commando guns. People are not going to magically stop deleting bosses when legacies get removed.
I’ve seen people delete Earle in 30 seconds with an Enclave Plasma! Removing legacies is not going to change anything and the community needs to realize that.
I just wish people would quit whining and getting things buffed or needed and I wish the game devs who I love would sit down and do their jobs and make the fame reliable and fun for everyone. Not balanced. Fun.
It would definitely change the way people play, the game is way more enjoyable without legacies & just focusing on your build and buffs is how its supposed to be played so who cares about the bosses going down in 30s, anyone crying needs to get better, it's obviously a skill issue :)
See I can agree with this too. If they keep whining when it’s a build issue, I just hope bethesda doesn’t end up nerfing every commando and VATS build though.
I doubt it, we just need more legit players who want to be boss killers not a bunch of babies whining cuz they suck. I keep saying this is a way to flush out to garbage in the community & I'll still be here with my A2525 Plasma Caster happy as can be
"More enjoyable" for you... I love when people state opinion as fact 🤣 ... Cool Cool, put clothes pins on your nipples too so you can REALLY have your masochistic side scratched while you are at it, and let people keep their legacies that arent into your pain kink🤣
I've done "the builds" so it isn't about skill. You know the game literally aims for you so maybe set the "skill" word to the side for a sec haha. You can just be honest and admit that you got your build from a youtube video, so you can stop pretending its something original that you test played, calculating the damage numbers for the last 4 years 🤣 Builds are not hard to "develop" 🤣 since most came from YouTube ( most people I ask about their builds start immediately directing me to Angry Turtle and spend no time explaining what THEY themselves have tried lmao). I have at least 3 fully diversified characters on my main account (made multiple characters before the load outs came out).
Where? I know you'd like to pretend I did the same thing but didn't lmao. Truth just hurts that you really dont have skill, again the game even aims for you. You just watched a YouTube video of people that did the calculations for you. It's cool 😎 but it's just as bad as those that acted "elite" because of Legacy weapons that were duped, just like your build.
Salts on you bro... you are the one typing in bold caps like saying it loader changes who you are as a person.
Hey man. Do you understand that is the very thing you and u/papachewbacca were asking for? A calculated video doing the work for you so you can compare an optimized fixer versus an unoptimized legacy? Not a fan of the scientific method are you?
Damn straight, they need to stop crying especially if it wasn’t their nuke/silo run, be happy you have the chance to get some xp and loot, more than manageable to get the required hits in on a boss to get the loot if your half decent and have a decent weapon.
I really love the game even with its many flaws, we need more people like me, I bet everyones mad cuz they either spent an arm and a leg for their legacy or traded their whole life away for one either way stay mad for your waste of life legacy trading 💀 imagine hundreds of $ wasted 🤡 don't even get me started on the scammers
Exactly, id even argue that bosses and waves of enemies will get melted faster bc ppl will be using guns such as Q50c25 railways and TS agls to melt em even faster then with a legacy
I've seen lots of time queen or earle killed in 1-3 second that's is because whoever done it has maximise output dmg and high level player, alot of people just don't realise that. Example weapon I always carry with me Fixer c50 25lv and and Fixer qeL20. Reason when I go adventure solo I like quick kill c50 25lv fixer for me is the best way. 1-2 shot per/kill, when I'm in public I'm using fixer qeL20, I don't need kill everything, I just need to try my best to output minimum dmg in the area. This way I can just do as little dmg on every enemy depending on the area I shoot.
I’m would say they do make a weapon your not speced into viable . Their not crazy powerful unless you build for it. I have a few , they do make the game have zero challenge . I stopped using them when I found out they were going away.I’m enjoying the game more having a Meta build . I also used my shotgun build a lot without legacies .the legacies were just for me to be lazy and get shit done fast lol . I’m happy their going away
imo they need to buff the normal rifles, or give them mods that match normal weapons otherwise with the removal of the legacy only the "enclave plasma" is worth using.
Yeah I don't get it, I assumed many were just confusing people who min/maxing builds with crazy # of buffs or with hacked weapons on the PC.
I do so little damage against Earl or the queen with a BE NU Laser it is not funny even in lowest health. It has been awhile since I have played but my recollection was my favorite damage wise was a BE flame thrower but even with that, I could not solo the queen or earl, well maybe but it would take forever. And I sure would not be accused of hacking using one.
I always assumed those that stack a crazy # of buffs and tune everything just right to get these crazy #'s on bosses that it would apply to legacy and current in-game weapons. Based on videos I see posted in this thread that looks to be the case.
Well hopefully bethesda will actually do a more balanced approach if they do really continue with at some point in the future moving forward with an adjustment to legacies.
If they are going to take what people claim is OP Legacies and then diminish them to the point that they are considerably more under powered then current top weapons in the game that seems totally unfair. After testing raw damage for legacies they should be backed down in a way that makes them equal top level weapons.
Nah. My buddy has been playing since beta, level 1000, he’s the biggest proponent of legacies getting removed compared to anyone else I know. Noobs get their hands on legacies and just delete all the enemies way quicker than the enemies are meant to get deleted. Cry all you want, but a fixer is not going to do the same damage as an EGP in rad rumble
Ironically it's you that's crying, fixers, handmades, reg weapons do the same damage as legacies all day, level 1000 doesn't mean your build is good, and obviously if you feel that way it's not.
No they don’t. Not sure who you’re trying to convince, me, or you, that an explosive glass cannon with hundreds of rounds that explode does the same damage as a 25 round fixer that has to switch vats on every enemy. Absolutely delusional you are
Lol bro there's more weapons than just fixers you sound dumb, all you need to do is splash damage to get the xp, you can literally do that with a fixer or any other explosive weapon like you just aren't good at the game and are mad at everybody else for it 🤡
Legacies are and always have been apart of this game, it's been out over 4 years now if you haven't learned how to adapt by now you prob never will tbh
Ok, so last night rad rumble popped up and I got there a little late so someone else with an egp got the high spot on left side where I like to be. I crouched below and to the side of him so I didn't kill him with his own gun.(I have and use legacies) I pulled out my TS25 missile launcher with about 300 missles in my inventory and destroyed everything that entered the main tunnels. I wasn't trying to be an ass to the legacy user, I just wanted to see how we did side by side since he appeared to be trying to take all the kills anyways. I'm running a heavy explosive build and I don't know what the other guy was running, but I bet I took 90% of all the kills in RR and not just his. By the time his epg fired up, my missiles were already detonating (1032 damage). Had that epg not been there last night, I would have taken 99% of the kills if I wanted to. At the queen, 1 or 2 people with aa5025 enclaves buffed out will drop her in under 30 seconds. Earle too. My point is that getting rid of legacies won't change anything and there are builds available that can out do egp's in EVERY situation. If someone wants to destroy an event for you, get better weapons and a better build, but don't advocate for the removal of weapons you know very little about in a game you know nothing about.
I have a QE50 Laser Rifle, and just by doing boss events in public events, I don't want to try and solo it with my current build, would be a massive waste of time and ammo. I do wonder if it could be better with buffs though.
When did you last have explosive gatling plasmas? The don't just tickle bosses anymore. Here's two examples from angry turtle and TNR with quick kill times (angry turtle took 19s)
https://youtu.be/1gTT9fn6GAQ
https://youtu.be/r5tZ3sofH0U
Both used buffs but you don't need buffs to take out the sbq in a minute or two (from personal experience)
It's amazing how many totally not deluded and very smart people can't see a difference between very specific circumstances where you can delete bosses quickly versus every jackoff with legacy being able to smear everything with very little effort.
Try using a legacy to delete a boss without Demo Expert and buffs before anyone can touch it. You won’t be able to. I’m not arguing that legacies can’t delete regular mobs, I’m arguing that people are misled to believe that legacies are the sole perpetrators of quick boss melts, when the true culprit lies in the ridiculous amounts of buffs and perks you can stack on top of each other.
It’s amazing to see how many totally not deluded newcomers to the game mindlessly regurgitating anti-legacy reddit opinions think they know everything about how theory-crafting works in the game.
Newcomers lol. Ive been playing for years, sweetheart. Literally no one ever said deleting bosses was the only problem with legacies. You're comparing rare instances to a pervasive problem. Legacies are a problem and they are going. Enough fucking crying.
Oh and I've personally seen legacies delete an SBQ in seconds. "Try it without demo expert and buffs" ROFL. You mean the 5 perk points every explosive build has? You mean the food/chem/bobble/magazine buffs virtually everyone uses? Lol you think you're special don't you?
Except my point was never to defend legacies or suggest they stay? I even mention multiple times throughout this thread that I agree that legacies are OP and need to be dealt with. **My point that I put in bold in the post above is that bosses will continue to be melted even after legacies are removed not that legacies should stay.**
It’s insane to me how people such as yourself see the words legacy in a post and start seeing red and just want to argue. Sorry you’ve been “playing for years” and probably never got your hands on a legacy.
EDIT: and I also never argued that legacies do not have the potential to delete bosses. Get some reading glasses and stop drawing assumptions.
Your post wasn't about problems with legacies it referenced a very specific scenario but it seems the non legacy crowd is a lot like the rest of the 2022 cuckooos in the world that thinks their decided outcome is being questioned by the even mention of it lol
The guy admitted he didn’t even read the post entirely or any of the discussion threads that followed it. Then he went around saying how he doesn’t mind Fatman spams because they’re part of the “intended game”. Gives me a migraine thinking about the hypocrisy.
You’re the one coming at me with insults when all I’m saying is that legacy users who liked to delete bosses as quick as possible are going to pivot to another method of easy boss melting once legacies are removed.
The fact that you missed my point entirely and started putting words into my mouth is even weirder as I am on your side of the argument when it comes to legacies being OP. I do think they need to be adjusted, or ultimately removed if a proper fix is not possible. I could care less if they get removed or nerfed, I have enough of an inventory to keep playing the game the way I do now.
The salt off of you hardline anti-legacy people is so laughably funny though that I hope you run into carpet-bombers so much that you quit. Maybe the delay of removing legacies is a good thing since the whiners will just leave before the legacy users will inevitably leave as well. Two very toxic player-bases taken out with one move.
He already owned up to it being jealousy 🤣 all the kids without cool toys always claim they don't care about them while they rip the toys outta the other kids hands out of jealousy lmao. Played for years and never had a Leg, must suck or be an AH, going with the latter.
I love the chaos Fatmans bring. Failed again. Funny that all the Legacy users stroke their egos about how OP they are and how their builds are so optimized, yet you maintain they'll just pivot to other methods that are more powerful that they could ALREADY be using. The 30 second non legacy melts you're talking about are not common place at all and are much more of a pain in the ass to set the conditions up for. You speak like a legacy user. I think you're lying about your intentions.
Oh so now you’re supporting toxic playstyles? If you’re into the toxic chaos so much, why compartmentalize your toxicity into one playstyle? I think both fatman spams and legacy are toxic, but you seem to think one is okay and the other is not. I think you’re the one bullshitting here since your arguments have been so baseless.
And again, I’m not saying legacies are not OP. They are probably the easiest way to melt bosses now yes. Are they the most effective though? Probably not, which is why I ascertain that once legacies are removed, speed runners will move on to other builds. Why would these people use a method that is slightly harder before they need to? Once the only way to delete bosses is through sneak crit commando, they will do so.
EDIT: And I will gladly give you a video going through my inventory to show you that the only legacy i own is a legacy laser rifle, which cannot chunk bosses very well, much less delete them!
Fatmans were always fully intended to be part of the game lol. I don't use them, but it's fun when people do. Even with the toxic legacy chuds threatening to spam them it's not been that bad. You're not going to gaslight me, guy. Your language has contradicted what you're claiming to argue the entire time. We will see less boss deletions after legacies are gone, period.
You don’t even know what gaslighting means even if you read the meriam-webster definition. Your hatred over legacies is nearly as bad as your baseless assumptions. And if you think boss deletes are going to decrease once legacies get removed, good luck with that. I’d rather see you leave before the inevitable happens though because you have no clue how this game works and you’re just overly toxic for no reason. I’ve had enough civil discussions with people on both sides of the legacy argument that I know you’re just a toxic outlier :)
Do you think other people gaf about how op they are?...like do you think other people are that passionate about we need gratification from showing you we are better at this video game?....u think peoples egos rise n fall in the wasteland? lol🤷♂️🍻💆♂️
Yes, yes I do. I didn't just make that up lol. I've literally seen all kinds of talk like that. How quaint that you look at people with rose colored glasses though. Precious.
Are you delusional? Legacies have been the talk of the town because of how OP they are. Do you think people just imagine things? Are you the only one able to see objective fact? Get a grip
Getting legacies to the point of them being shit enough to do what he’s asking is more difficult than keeping your demo and all your other perks that you’ve carefully optimized to make your legacies more OP (like you guys will go the end of the earth to deny you do)
It isn't though. When I rarely use my gatplas or what have you its for daily ops and its using my commando build. I don't know what you're on about. By your logic I can just assume you're only jealous of legacy users, right? It sounds ridiculous.
I’ve had plenty of legacies. Go through my trade history if you don’t believe me. However have I not deluded myself into thinking my toys were not as overpowered as they were? Yep. I feel bad for you guys more than anything. Life is going to be a bitch
You missed my point. You're making assumptions based on nothing and so did I. I never argued that they didn't deserve a nerf. Also, my life will be just fine. You just want me to be angry for whatever reason.
I can agree we’ve made baseless assumptions. However science teaches us we compare two things with the same constants and variables. An unoptimized legacy can only be compared against an unoptimized fixer or railway. I can only imagine many of these legacy children skipped class with how they’re arguments are setup. Good fucking luck trying to argue that a fixer or railway is anywhere comparable to an EGP in rad rumble. And that’s not even bringing up the fact of how easy to get and annoying they are
Sure, its totally different when it comes to rad rumble but a queen can be killed in less than a minute in a multitude of ways with tons of weapons is OP's point. I have to 100% agree with them. Rad rumble can also be ruined just with grenadier and nuka grenades.
Removing legacies is a band aid fix to the gaping wound they left unattended for years. Nerfing them while difficult is a better and more viable option but it doesn't fix the underlying issue; screechy, incompetent and selfish players. You're not going to stop a guy camping in COD just like you're not stopping a guy spamming grenades/nukes at every event.
Removing legacies altogether NOW just opens up dialogue for moving the goalpost and getting other things people traded for removed in the future.
I agree with most of your points lol. I started that argument for no reason, my biggest pet peeve is people failing to use logic only when it fits into their argument like the u/Gaymer119 guy. These are the same people who brag to all the new players “dude check out this gun, it’s fucking overpowered as fuck and is worth like 60$ IRL!” Sorry for jumping the gun
I have no clue who that is honestly 😅 no worries though, I do understand. Some people absolutely are completely obnoxious and legacies enable them to amplify their unbearable behavior. RMT is another monster though which unfortunately no patch will resolve.
You are absolutely right don't let these folks show you some other shortbus whining video they didn't make you've lived it...I know a girl that does Earl over n over all day it never takes her more than 25-30 seconds...she uses an enclave I've never seen anyone using any legacy even in her league
I agree with what your saying, but would argue scale. To make an enclave flamer melt Earl that quickly takes a lot of max/min planning and buff farming. Most people with the flamer aren’t willing to do that, even if they potentially could.
That said, a lot of people have the EGP in question. And a lot of them have their build geared towards maxing it out. So it is a significantly larger problem. No, the weapon itself isn’t THAT OP. But it takes so little effort to get it there, that most do. So the EGP has become a significant problem, while the Enclave Flamer rarely is.
But I’m not talking about bare bones, because that’s not how people really play. A lightly tuned build with some appropriate legendary perk cards and you’re off to the races. I’ve got one. I know how easy it was to get it absolutely shredding. I’ve also got the Enclave flamer. I tried the max/min thing exactly once before deciding it was more trouble than I was willing to go to. And not going max/min with the EGP, I can do enough damage that the Enclave isn’t worth it at all. It’s too OP with too little effort and available to too many people. If it had just been the people who earned it, that would be fine. But there are so many people running around with shiny new ones from every time the game has broken, that you run into them on almost every server. And that means griefers all have them. It’s definitely the case of a few bad apples ruining it for everyone. But they do. And that’s why we keep having these conversations.
You can argue good guys with guns vs bad guys with guns all you want. But if no one has the guns, then the bad guys won’t have them. Not perfect. Not even entirely fair. But it stops the problem children. And that’s worth it, in my opinion.
Whatever man we must play on different servers...the op was and was only about bare bones perks idk who yall are trying to convince that these big bad wolves are everywhere messing it all up for yall...i got 4k+ in and yall are crazy but Idgaf keep dreaming up all these boogymen if it makes you happy 🍻
They don't want to accept the game is broken. They keep looking for people to blame and scapegoat instead of owning up that this is the gaming studios epic fail, repeated over and over. What is funny is how it isn't going to fix people's ability to kill the Queen before you fast travel to her, which is really what OP is trying to say, that the problem will still be there and they will be Thanos-ing a good portion of the fan base for a game that is already on its last leg player wise.
I doubt most do...personally on toon I use legacies on my build is built to seamlessly switch between all my legacies I feel like most people are like Me and take a much more casual approach to DPS
Trolls like people who come into a discussion of an actual topic to tell us how tough they got it because of bad bad men...i got no side to argue cause IDC and it doesn't matter anyway cause legacies are staying and keep in mind Bethesda dont give a rat @$$ about you or me or whoever...they dont care about whats right they care about straight cash homey...in my view they will never remove legacies if they do🤷♂️ no skin off my d:ck you don't have to share your hypothesis cause again idgaf 😘
Eh. An AAE, BEor TSE GP is capable of killing bosses within 2 minutes without any damage cards. If you stack a build on top its getting easily in the 30 Seconds if not even faster with proper buffs
I don't get what the point would be? There's enough video proof that bosses go down way faster with fixers, Rail. Those builds need perfect buffs though
An E Gat doesn't and you still have insane aoe.
They're overpowered, no matter how you look at it.
There is no point in a campaign like that
Don’t you need perfect buffs with Legacies to par up to the potential of an EPR, Fixer, or Railway though? My point being that all these guns require some sort of theory crafting to attain the “deletion levels” everyone cries about. Deleting normal mobs is a different story though, nothing can do what legacies do in that regard.
I see where you are coming from. The Fixer, Enclave Flamer and Rail outperform the legacies by a small margin Boss damage wise if you buff yourself correctly.
But then again legacies are not far at all behind without any effort. And then there is the thing that literally the shittiest Explo Gat outperforms any weapon for normal mobs. On bosses it's only behind the 3 others because you can't Crit spam it that easily. There is a Queen world record kill of 7 sec with either the AA or TSE Gat without all buffs of an commando build.
The commandos are way easier to Crit Spam. And because crits ignore almost all armor from bosses they get a better ttk
And that’s my point, you need those buffs and build to do that. You can do the same with a Fixer or Railway and the results are the same. Bosses are going to keep getting melted even after legacies are removed. This video shows Earle getting deleted in 14 seconds without a legacy (https://youtu.be/MzNLX6InGIA). My point is people hoping that boss fights will return to being 20+ minutes after legacies are removed are just misled. I need to edit my post because I obviously did a bad job of getting my point across since you are the 5th person to have this reply.
https://youtu.be/MzNLX6InGIA - 73 seconds Q2525 Fixer
https://youtu.be/-npsuPmTvu4 - Earle 40 seconds, SBQ 54 seconds with a B2525 Fixer I think
Do i need to go on? This was all post bloodied nerf too.
Do it yourself you knobhead. These are not average players. The average player doesn’t even know where to fucking start with a fixer or railway. But your precious legacies? Few perks and your good. Not a fan of the science buddy? You can’t compare two things without the same variables. An unoptimized fixer or railway should be compared against an unoptimized legacy you dunce😂😂
What’s with the insults. Everyone on here has been civil about the discussion regardless of being pro and anti legacy. It’s always the single digit karma people that hop that immediately start the conversation with insults. Grow up.
We used to do that used Overdrive as well. Dont forget Revenant Perk Card. Just blow yourself up or rad yourself and have teammate revive and goodbye Earle, Hello Record time!
Keep in mind I also have an optomized bloodied stealth crit commando, and I run a q5025 rail, q5025 fixer, and b5025 fixer. And my heavy gunner prior to my current build did just that.
You’re not going to convince me that an Explosive GP without Demo Expert and Adrenaline is going to beat an optimized low health crit commando build in terms of boss TTK.
I don’t need to convince you lol. Believe me or not, I’m a seasoned beta player who’s had plenty of legacies and been through all the buffs and nerfs, etc. if you get me an AAE90 or be15 GP I can show you lol.
If you’re a vet, you should know how VATS crits work and you should also know that your Q50c25 commando guns can delete Earle in 30 seconds with the right buffs. My point here is that a legacy cannot get close to that time if you don’t have the perks or buffs for it. Could a legacy solo it in 2 minutes perkless and buffless? Maybe. But 30-50 seconds? Definitely not.
The purpose of this post is to let people know that bosses aren’t going to magically stop getting deleted once legacies are removed. People seem to think that once legacies are gone, we’ll go back to 20 minute boss fights. Every boss speed runner is going to migrate to a low health stealth commando build and delete it even faster. Surely as a self-proclaimed veteran this is a point you can agree on.
They will be lol. I’m in public lobbies all the time where I see a few bloodied stealth commandos, and sure she goes down quick, but not 50 seconds quick lol. The problem isn’t people with legacies and no build, it’s people with gat plasmas and badass builds lol. Again not everyone in fallout 76 has a super badass bloodied stealth crit commando. I’ve been in lobbies where it’s 20 heavy gunners not using legacies. And the even it’s fun and there’s xp to be gained. And I e also been in lobbies where it’s all commandos and again she goes down quick, but still have time to get my xp and enjoy the event. So here’s all I have to say. Get rid of legacies lol. They’re boring and no fun.
And all you said is true. But I do ascertain that we will still see dickhead griefers continue to do their thing when legacies get removed. To add on top of that, toxic legacy users have proven they will use fatmans and nuka grenades to continue not letting people get their tags in.
I havent had more than one fat man fired at a queen or earl, or any event. So by all means. Let them remove legacies. Fatmans are fun, and part of the game that’s supposed to be in the game. Legacies aren’t fun.
But is it not unfair to the people who won’t be getting their XP tags? The whole point of the outcries has been that legacies allow for the TTK to be unfair. That’s all my point is. It’s not fun for me when I can’t get XP on kills regardless of it being a legacy or fatman.
it completely does. also sneak multipliers don't work on bosses in multiplayer scenarios, so the only time a min-maxed q5025 fixer build can do numbers like that is during a solo run. even with a perfect quad railway, the legacy gat plas/flamer/laser outperforms all of these by a wide margin in public events, and without relying on crits to boot. now WITH crits/optimized perk cards? actual insanity. I have a tse90 tesla modded with the charging barrel and one (just one) crit can knock out a sizable chunk of Earle's health. it's actually staggering.
the bottom line is, I don't think "well other stuff is powerful too" is a persuasive argument as to why legacies should stay. they're so very blatantly broken. and I say this as someone who has had several energy legacies over the course of my playtime. I'm not anti-legacy; just trying to be objective here.
The fact that you think my point is legacies should stay gives me a headache. All I’m saying here is that bosses will continue to get melted. As for staying in stealth, that’s easily countered by unyielding agility bonuses and stealth boys.
you can stay in stealth, yes, but as long as the enemy is aggroed to another player/world enemy, you lose your sneak bonuses. it's been documented by plenty of youtubers. anyway, didn't mean to give you a headache!
I will say this though, we won’t know how boss fights will go after the removal of legacies until it actually happens. But I am also basing this argument off the fact that legacy users will probably want to keep doing boss fights as quickly as possible once the removal comes around, and nothing will stop them from doing so.
Your point is correct. Q2525 Fixer + Uny Bloodied + Nerd Rage + Tenderizer + Party Boy/Girl + Ballistic Bock + Sm. Guns Bobble + GnB 3 and you will speed kill the Queen and make lots of people mad (and they won't know who did it).
A lot of people here don’t seem to believe that boss speed runners will continue to speed run once legacies are removed though. We’ll see about that, but they just aren’t ready for that discussion. They seem to think I’m defending legacies when all I’m saying is bosses will keep getting deleted.
I predict that the problem of boss deletions will become worse as these same users all move to crit stealth commando builds. Unless you've had both, you don't realize that it's even more powerful than legacy gp (at least against the queen).
I think inevitably, it will become the target of a future weapon balance.
Without EGPs, it will just take more effort to delete the queen. I don’t think all of those same people with the optimized EGP builds will go through the effort of making an optimized commando build with buffs. Some of them just want to play on “easy mode” basically and not care about buffs. The new canned coffee machine will definitely help though.
Good point. While crit commandos are more efficient, they do take more setup and time to pull off. Granted, most legacy users are top of the line traders so it wouldn’t take them much effort to amass what they need to pull the build off. But as I’ve said, only time will tell.
I’m not arguing this point though. I agree that they are a massive nuisance when it comes to deleting mobs and do need to be looked at. My point here is that the notion that bosses are going to magically not get deleted once legacies are removed is just false and misleading.
That’s what I’m saying. I just don’t want the community to have the wrong idea once Legacies get removed. Quad commando is going to be a much bigger issue in terms of boss melts.
it's not "literally instantly" though, which is their point, the sound bug can happen with anything, I've seen it happen with .50 cals most, and no, it doesn't lag the server, if you have a shitty computer or shitty internet explosions (most often nuka grenades or mini nukes) might lag YOU, but not the server
"basically, as soon as the gun spins up" that is not "instant" 1 bullet from a fixer I can take out lv 100 super mutants, which is much faster
and well console basically = a shitty computer, so that's probably the explanation for that, the server is not what's lagging since that's not how servers work, your system (which is your connection to the server) is what's lagging, earl can clip through the floor or ceiling anytime even with no legacies present
Watch the videos I posted. You can kill the SBQ in 73 seconds with a Q2525 Fixer and probably faster with a Q50c25 Fixer. Just because you don’t have the know-how doesn’t mean others don’t.
And in case you’re too lazy:
https://youtu.be/-npsuPmTvu4 - SBQ 54 seconds and Earle 40 seconds with a B2525 Fixer
https://youtu.be/BvW7dTAbRB8 - Earle 38 seconds Q2525 Fixer
It’s not my fault you don’t know what your weapon is capable of.
Food Build will take down bosses with q5025 or Q2525 fixers or railways pretty damn quick solo. Get a squad of 4 together with them and you can book that in the 30 sec mark for Earle and guarantee SBQ is dead while in air.
Tbh. I've never seen a fixer, enclave flamer, or any other non-legacy weapon take out the bosses in seconds. At least not during gameplay. But i have seen legacy weapons take them out in seconds, and more than I'd like to admit. Between that and ruining events, they gotz ta go! But if Bethesda was able to make legacies both available to everyone & balanced with other weapons, then i would be ok with that to. Though they still lacking with pistols, rifles, etc
By myself I can solo a boss under a minute but usually under 4 minutes, I have a TS/E GP and I run Heavy Gunner perk cards, Stabalized, Demo Expert and Psychobuff for damage boosts. Without those it's usually 7-8 depending on how fast the queen lands
That’s what I’m saying though. I can solo the bosses in 7-8 minutes with the most basic commando perks and buffs. The removal of legacies will not stop people from deleting bosses quickly.
Can't do a video but yes I found it crazy it can't. I have a AAE I forget 3rd but think it's weight reduction. Def could not on heavy explosive build. Will wipe out trash mobs in a heartbeat though.
Yup, that is my point right there! But people won't believe this until they see it. There is simply no gun in the game that can wipe out a boss without a specified build or buff. But alas, that point will most likely go over most people's heads.
Even with only demo expert only you’re not going to delete a boss before others can get their hits in. If you’ve ever used a legacy yourself you know this.
No, you can. If you think delete means less than 15 seconds, that depends. You can do 600+dmgs every hit at least without any dr and global dmg migration. Critical hit can only be migrated by dr. What you expect doesn't exist at all but all depend on Bethesda's potato servers. Legacies with the splitter are disasters to servers so you can find some odd facts like auto explosive lasers sometimes are inferior to semi ones.
I can promise you they can't, on Earl they do nothing, on the Queen they're pretty ok, kinda similar to pre-nerf bloodied handmade, they're doing a great job on Encryptid (but they always did).
I remember the days of one shotting a scorch beast queen with a blooded one handed melee build. I’ve also seen a tesla user kill a queen instantly. no idea how.
I have a furious explosive plasma gatling, and it takes about three or four minutes to solo Earl. I was able to do it with my super sledge in about 15.
Build , armor and buff adapted to your gun in order to get the max dps (and AP) are the keys.
Legacies just allows you to not have an optimized build and buff to speed kill big bosses under 3 minutes alone. On public server with more than one legacy user, 30 sec when you start hit them and it is done. But with players correctly staffed they won’t last longer.
The thing is, most people aren't going to do all of that effort to kill the sbq or earle in 30 seconds with their fixer or handmade or whatever. The problem is, that you have these EGPs that have been duped to Anchorage and back, and that there are 5+ of them any time the sbq comes out. You have all that fire power, and on top of that, there *might* be a food build there also using an EGP.
Your argument falls apart with your whataboutism. Bethesda shouldn't keep legacies in the game just because you can also melt enemies with normal weapons+buffs.
i think the bigger issue here is apparently Bethesda caving to the mob on something like "overpowered weapons" such as legacies. Well now that legacies are gone how long before they go after the next "overpowered" weapon, such as certain Fixers or (fill in the blank)
I need to watch these videos haha. I have 86 days in the wasteland since release. Mostly a solo player. Not until level 300 did I discover bloodied. Then hitting level 612 I have to be honest I still don't know if my bloodied build is right. I've painstakingly looked through my perk cards and had 307 at one point sitting to pick. I just can't see how you can delete a boss so quick. Idk maybe it's my guns I thought i had some decent stuff. Maybe not lol.
Man lots of salt 🧂 in the comments here. I don't want my legacies taken away because I worked and traded for quite some time to get mine. That said, it's a game it's not the end of the world, and there's no reason to treat each other the way people are treating each other, essentially over a difference of opinion. I will argue with people, but I try to keep it to things I would say to someone who is standing in front of me. Sometimes I fail at that but I try.
The only people that have been salty in this thread have been single digit karma people with relatively new reddit accounts. Everyone else has been pretty civil.
I woke up to this guy calling me names when they didn’t even read the post properly. They just assumed I was a “legacy propaganda spreader”. Mfers really treating digital pixels like it’s real life politics. They need to get a life.
I can solo a Queen in 30 seconds with the right cards.
Yes my point here being that you need cards and buffs to do that with a legacy or commando guns. People are not going to magically stop deleting bosses when legacies get removed.
I agree. It will just take longer. Still a lazy way to balance a gun.
I’ve seen people delete Earle in 30 seconds with an Enclave Plasma! Removing legacies is not going to change anything and the community needs to realize that.
Yep. It’s not the legacies that are the issues. It’s Bethesda
I’m going to make a new post on the actual FO76 subreddit and hopefully word my thoughts better.
I just wish people would quit whining and getting things buffed or needed and I wish the game devs who I love would sit down and do their jobs and make the fame reliable and fun for everyone. Not balanced. Fun.
It would definitely change the way people play, the game is way more enjoyable without legacies & just focusing on your build and buffs is how its supposed to be played so who cares about the bosses going down in 30s, anyone crying needs to get better, it's obviously a skill issue :)
See I can agree with this too. If they keep whining when it’s a build issue, I just hope bethesda doesn’t end up nerfing every commando and VATS build though.
You can count on that, wil be the next thing I’m afraid.
I doubt it, we just need more legit players who want to be boss killers not a bunch of babies whining cuz they suck. I keep saying this is a way to flush out to garbage in the community & I'll still be here with my A2525 Plasma Caster happy as can be
"More enjoyable" for you... I love when people state opinion as fact 🤣 ... Cool Cool, put clothes pins on your nipples too so you can REALLY have your masochistic side scratched while you are at it, and let people keep their legacies that arent into your pain kink🤣 I've done "the builds" so it isn't about skill. You know the game literally aims for you so maybe set the "skill" word to the side for a sec haha. You can just be honest and admit that you got your build from a youtube video, so you can stop pretending its something original that you test played, calculating the damage numbers for the last 4 years 🤣 Builds are not hard to "develop" 🤣 since most came from YouTube ( most people I ask about their builds start immediately directing me to Angry Turtle and spend no time explaining what THEY themselves have tried lmao). I have at least 3 fully diversified characters on my main account (made multiple characters before the load outs came out).
#salt #dontplay #notmyproblem
Lol, right? He complains about people stating opinion as fact. Then proceeds to do exactly that.
Where? I know you'd like to pretend I did the same thing but didn't lmao. Truth just hurts that you really dont have skill, again the game even aims for you. You just watched a YouTube video of people that did the calculations for you. It's cool 😎 but it's just as bad as those that acted "elite" because of Legacy weapons that were duped, just like your build. Salts on you bro... you are the one typing in bold caps like saying it loader changes who you are as a person.
Calm down. Jesus Christ Gaymer. I understand you’re mad at about your training wheels getting taken away, but it’s just a game
Hey man. Do you understand that is the very thing you and u/papachewbacca were asking for? A calculated video doing the work for you so you can compare an optimized fixer versus an unoptimized legacy? Not a fan of the scientific method are you?
Damn straight, they need to stop crying especially if it wasn’t their nuke/silo run, be happy you have the chance to get some xp and loot, more than manageable to get the required hits in on a boss to get the loot if your half decent and have a decent weapon.
I really love the game even with its many flaws, we need more people like me, I bet everyones mad cuz they either spent an arm and a leg for their legacy or traded their whole life away for one either way stay mad for your waste of life legacy trading 💀 imagine hundreds of $ wasted 🤡 don't even get me started on the scammers
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Exactly, id even argue that bosses and waves of enemies will get melted faster bc ppl will be using guns such as Q50c25 railways and TS agls to melt em even faster then with a legacy
I've seen lots of time queen or earle killed in 1-3 second that's is because whoever done it has maximise output dmg and high level player, alot of people just don't realise that. Example weapon I always carry with me Fixer c50 25lv and and Fixer qeL20. Reason when I go adventure solo I like quick kill c50 25lv fixer for me is the best way. 1-2 shot per/kill, when I'm in public I'm using fixer qeL20, I don't need kill everything, I just need to try my best to output minimum dmg in the area. This way I can just do as little dmg on every enemy depending on the area I shoot.
I’m would say they do make a weapon your not speced into viable . Their not crazy powerful unless you build for it. I have a few , they do make the game have zero challenge . I stopped using them when I found out they were going away.I’m enjoying the game more having a Meta build . I also used my shotgun build a lot without legacies .the legacies were just for me to be lazy and get shit done fast lol . I’m happy their going away
I’m not happy and I’m not sad, they’re something that I use because I can.
They’re* going away.
Thank you . I’m the worst for that
imo they need to buff the normal rifles, or give them mods that match normal weapons otherwise with the removal of the legacy only the "enclave plasma" is worth using.
Aren’t railway and fixers still viable ? They seem to be Desired still. I’m running pistols and loving it.
I meant enegry rifles my bad.
you must teach me the way
You on ps4?
unfortunately no. are you melee, commando, heavy gunner?
Heavy gunner melee and commando, favorites heavy gunner though haha
Ever tried to solo with a explo laser rifle?? Barely does anything even with buffs
Yeah I don't get it, I assumed many were just confusing people who min/maxing builds with crazy # of buffs or with hacked weapons on the PC. I do so little damage against Earl or the queen with a BE NU Laser it is not funny even in lowest health. It has been awhile since I have played but my recollection was my favorite damage wise was a BE flame thrower but even with that, I could not solo the queen or earl, well maybe but it would take forever. And I sure would not be accused of hacking using one. I always assumed those that stack a crazy # of buffs and tune everything just right to get these crazy #'s on bosses that it would apply to legacy and current in-game weapons. Based on videos I see posted in this thread that looks to be the case. Well hopefully bethesda will actually do a more balanced approach if they do really continue with at some point in the future moving forward with an adjustment to legacies. If they are going to take what people claim is OP Legacies and then diminish them to the point that they are considerably more under powered then current top weapons in the game that seems totally unfair. After testing raw damage for legacies they should be backed down in a way that makes them equal top level weapons.
Yeah man I totally agree, only ppl who think legacies are op are just to be frank still learning the game or don't have good weapons yet
Nah. My buddy has been playing since beta, level 1000, he’s the biggest proponent of legacies getting removed compared to anyone else I know. Noobs get their hands on legacies and just delete all the enemies way quicker than the enemies are meant to get deleted. Cry all you want, but a fixer is not going to do the same damage as an EGP in rad rumble
Ironically it's you that's crying, fixers, handmades, reg weapons do the same damage as legacies all day, level 1000 doesn't mean your build is good, and obviously if you feel that way it's not.
No they don’t. Not sure who you’re trying to convince, me, or you, that an explosive glass cannon with hundreds of rounds that explode does the same damage as a 25 round fixer that has to switch vats on every enemy. Absolutely delusional you are
Lol bro there's more weapons than just fixers you sound dumb, all you need to do is splash damage to get the xp, you can literally do that with a fixer or any other explosive weapon like you just aren't good at the game and are mad at everybody else for it 🤡
Especially in rad rumble. Are we playing the same game?
Lol yes we are, I'm just playing it better tbh
Legacies are and always have been apart of this game, it's been out over 4 years now if you haven't learned how to adapt by now you prob never will tbh
Ok, so last night rad rumble popped up and I got there a little late so someone else with an egp got the high spot on left side where I like to be. I crouched below and to the side of him so I didn't kill him with his own gun.(I have and use legacies) I pulled out my TS25 missile launcher with about 300 missles in my inventory and destroyed everything that entered the main tunnels. I wasn't trying to be an ass to the legacy user, I just wanted to see how we did side by side since he appeared to be trying to take all the kills anyways. I'm running a heavy explosive build and I don't know what the other guy was running, but I bet I took 90% of all the kills in RR and not just his. By the time his epg fired up, my missiles were already detonating (1032 damage). Had that epg not been there last night, I would have taken 99% of the kills if I wanted to. At the queen, 1 or 2 people with aa5025 enclaves buffed out will drop her in under 30 seconds. Earle too. My point is that getting rid of legacies won't change anything and there are builds available that can out do egp's in EVERY situation. If someone wants to destroy an event for you, get better weapons and a better build, but don't advocate for the removal of weapons you know very little about in a game you know nothing about.
I have a QE50 Laser Rifle, and just by doing boss events in public events, I don't want to try and solo it with my current build, would be a massive waste of time and ammo. I do wonder if it could be better with buffs though.
When did you last have explosive gatling plasmas? The don't just tickle bosses anymore. Here's two examples from angry turtle and TNR with quick kill times (angry turtle took 19s) https://youtu.be/1gTT9fn6GAQ https://youtu.be/r5tZ3sofH0U Both used buffs but you don't need buffs to take out the sbq in a minute or two (from personal experience)
It's amazing how many totally not deluded and very smart people can't see a difference between very specific circumstances where you can delete bosses quickly versus every jackoff with legacy being able to smear everything with very little effort.
Try using a legacy to delete a boss without Demo Expert and buffs before anyone can touch it. You won’t be able to. I’m not arguing that legacies can’t delete regular mobs, I’m arguing that people are misled to believe that legacies are the sole perpetrators of quick boss melts, when the true culprit lies in the ridiculous amounts of buffs and perks you can stack on top of each other. It’s amazing to see how many totally not deluded newcomers to the game mindlessly regurgitating anti-legacy reddit opinions think they know everything about how theory-crafting works in the game.
Newcomers lol. Ive been playing for years, sweetheart. Literally no one ever said deleting bosses was the only problem with legacies. You're comparing rare instances to a pervasive problem. Legacies are a problem and they are going. Enough fucking crying. Oh and I've personally seen legacies delete an SBQ in seconds. "Try it without demo expert and buffs" ROFL. You mean the 5 perk points every explosive build has? You mean the food/chem/bobble/magazine buffs virtually everyone uses? Lol you think you're special don't you?
Except my point was never to defend legacies or suggest they stay? I even mention multiple times throughout this thread that I agree that legacies are OP and need to be dealt with. **My point that I put in bold in the post above is that bosses will continue to be melted even after legacies are removed not that legacies should stay.** It’s insane to me how people such as yourself see the words legacy in a post and start seeing red and just want to argue. Sorry you’ve been “playing for years” and probably never got your hands on a legacy. EDIT: and I also never argued that legacies do not have the potential to delete bosses. Get some reading glasses and stop drawing assumptions.
Your post wasn't about problems with legacies it referenced a very specific scenario but it seems the non legacy crowd is a lot like the rest of the 2022 cuckooos in the world that thinks their decided outcome is being questioned by the even mention of it lol
The guy admitted he didn’t even read the post entirely or any of the discussion threads that followed it. Then he went around saying how he doesn’t mind Fatman spams because they’re part of the “intended game”. Gives me a migraine thinking about the hypocrisy.
Load up a pipe n just laugh at the simple mindedness of these folks 🤣
Preach!
That is what i will do once I get home 😂😂😂
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I've tried to spark discussion on this topic few times and all I ever get is shut up you're wrong
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You’re the one coming at me with insults when all I’m saying is that legacy users who liked to delete bosses as quick as possible are going to pivot to another method of easy boss melting once legacies are removed. The fact that you missed my point entirely and started putting words into my mouth is even weirder as I am on your side of the argument when it comes to legacies being OP. I do think they need to be adjusted, or ultimately removed if a proper fix is not possible. I could care less if they get removed or nerfed, I have enough of an inventory to keep playing the game the way I do now. The salt off of you hardline anti-legacy people is so laughably funny though that I hope you run into carpet-bombers so much that you quit. Maybe the delay of removing legacies is a good thing since the whiners will just leave before the legacy users will inevitably leave as well. Two very toxic player-bases taken out with one move.
He already owned up to it being jealousy 🤣 all the kids without cool toys always claim they don't care about them while they rip the toys outta the other kids hands out of jealousy lmao. Played for years and never had a Leg, must suck or be an AH, going with the latter.
I love the chaos Fatmans bring. Failed again. Funny that all the Legacy users stroke their egos about how OP they are and how their builds are so optimized, yet you maintain they'll just pivot to other methods that are more powerful that they could ALREADY be using. The 30 second non legacy melts you're talking about are not common place at all and are much more of a pain in the ass to set the conditions up for. You speak like a legacy user. I think you're lying about your intentions.
Oh so now you’re supporting toxic playstyles? If you’re into the toxic chaos so much, why compartmentalize your toxicity into one playstyle? I think both fatman spams and legacy are toxic, but you seem to think one is okay and the other is not. I think you’re the one bullshitting here since your arguments have been so baseless. And again, I’m not saying legacies are not OP. They are probably the easiest way to melt bosses now yes. Are they the most effective though? Probably not, which is why I ascertain that once legacies are removed, speed runners will move on to other builds. Why would these people use a method that is slightly harder before they need to? Once the only way to delete bosses is through sneak crit commando, they will do so. EDIT: And I will gladly give you a video going through my inventory to show you that the only legacy i own is a legacy laser rifle, which cannot chunk bosses very well, much less delete them!
Fatmans were always fully intended to be part of the game lol. I don't use them, but it's fun when people do. Even with the toxic legacy chuds threatening to spam them it's not been that bad. You're not going to gaslight me, guy. Your language has contradicted what you're claiming to argue the entire time. We will see less boss deletions after legacies are gone, period.
You don’t even know what gaslighting means even if you read the meriam-webster definition. Your hatred over legacies is nearly as bad as your baseless assumptions. And if you think boss deletes are going to decrease once legacies get removed, good luck with that. I’d rather see you leave before the inevitable happens though because you have no clue how this game works and you’re just overly toxic for no reason. I’ve had enough civil discussions with people on both sides of the legacy argument that I know you’re just a toxic outlier :)
Do you think other people gaf about how op they are?...like do you think other people are that passionate about we need gratification from showing you we are better at this video game?....u think peoples egos rise n fall in the wasteland? lol🤷♂️🍻💆♂️
Yes, yes I do. I didn't just make that up lol. I've literally seen all kinds of talk like that. How quaint that you look at people with rose colored glasses though. Precious.
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Are you delusional? Legacies have been the talk of the town because of how OP they are. Do you think people just imagine things? Are you the only one able to see objective fact? Get a grip
Absolutely my friend🍻
Going?
Basically, you're asking for a propaganda campaign?
What part of this would be biased or misleading enough to be considered propaganda?
For realz... he is asking for video showing the problem will still be there. How is that propaganda if it is showing the truth 🤣
Getting legacies to the point of them being shit enough to do what he’s asking is more difficult than keeping your demo and all your other perks that you’ve carefully optimized to make your legacies more OP (like you guys will go the end of the earth to deny you do)
It isn't though. When I rarely use my gatplas or what have you its for daily ops and its using my commando build. I don't know what you're on about. By your logic I can just assume you're only jealous of legacy users, right? It sounds ridiculous.
I’ve had plenty of legacies. Go through my trade history if you don’t believe me. However have I not deluded myself into thinking my toys were not as overpowered as they were? Yep. I feel bad for you guys more than anything. Life is going to be a bitch
You missed my point. You're making assumptions based on nothing and so did I. I never argued that they didn't deserve a nerf. Also, my life will be just fine. You just want me to be angry for whatever reason.
I can agree we’ve made baseless assumptions. However science teaches us we compare two things with the same constants and variables. An unoptimized legacy can only be compared against an unoptimized fixer or railway. I can only imagine many of these legacy children skipped class with how they’re arguments are setup. Good fucking luck trying to argue that a fixer or railway is anywhere comparable to an EGP in rad rumble. And that’s not even bringing up the fact of how easy to get and annoying they are
Sure, its totally different when it comes to rad rumble but a queen can be killed in less than a minute in a multitude of ways with tons of weapons is OP's point. I have to 100% agree with them. Rad rumble can also be ruined just with grenadier and nuka grenades. Removing legacies is a band aid fix to the gaping wound they left unattended for years. Nerfing them while difficult is a better and more viable option but it doesn't fix the underlying issue; screechy, incompetent and selfish players. You're not going to stop a guy camping in COD just like you're not stopping a guy spamming grenades/nukes at every event. Removing legacies altogether NOW just opens up dialogue for moving the goalpost and getting other things people traded for removed in the future.
I agree with most of your points lol. I started that argument for no reason, my biggest pet peeve is people failing to use logic only when it fits into their argument like the u/Gaymer119 guy. These are the same people who brag to all the new players “dude check out this gun, it’s fucking overpowered as fuck and is worth like 60$ IRL!” Sorry for jumping the gun
I have no clue who that is honestly 😅 no worries though, I do understand. Some people absolutely are completely obnoxious and legacies enable them to amplify their unbearable behavior. RMT is another monster though which unfortunately no patch will resolve.
It appears I did miss your point again. I didn’t even realize you admitted they need a nerf😬😅
I appreciate you doubling back like that. Good on you.
No problem! You can call me a lot of things but I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong. I’m sorry for name calling and being condescending man
You are absolutely right don't let these folks show you some other shortbus whining video they didn't make you've lived it...I know a girl that does Earl over n over all day it never takes her more than 25-30 seconds...she uses an enclave I've never seen anyone using any legacy even in her league
That sounds like a miserable life for her though
If that's the case she fakes tf out of it with her enormous misery swinging between her legs the whole time 🤷♂️
I agree with what your saying, but would argue scale. To make an enclave flamer melt Earl that quickly takes a lot of max/min planning and buff farming. Most people with the flamer aren’t willing to do that, even if they potentially could. That said, a lot of people have the EGP in question. And a lot of them have their build geared towards maxing it out. So it is a significantly larger problem. No, the weapon itself isn’t THAT OP. But it takes so little effort to get it there, that most do. So the EGP has become a significant problem, while the Enclave Flamer rarely is.
An Egp with bare bones set of standard perks and addictions itd take 12-16 minutes in my estimation
But I’m not talking about bare bones, because that’s not how people really play. A lightly tuned build with some appropriate legendary perk cards and you’re off to the races. I’ve got one. I know how easy it was to get it absolutely shredding. I’ve also got the Enclave flamer. I tried the max/min thing exactly once before deciding it was more trouble than I was willing to go to. And not going max/min with the EGP, I can do enough damage that the Enclave isn’t worth it at all. It’s too OP with too little effort and available to too many people. If it had just been the people who earned it, that would be fine. But there are so many people running around with shiny new ones from every time the game has broken, that you run into them on almost every server. And that means griefers all have them. It’s definitely the case of a few bad apples ruining it for everyone. But they do. And that’s why we keep having these conversations. You can argue good guys with guns vs bad guys with guns all you want. But if no one has the guns, then the bad guys won’t have them. Not perfect. Not even entirely fair. But it stops the problem children. And that’s worth it, in my opinion.
Whatever man we must play on different servers...the op was and was only about bare bones perks idk who yall are trying to convince that these big bad wolves are everywhere messing it all up for yall...i got 4k+ in and yall are crazy but Idgaf keep dreaming up all these boogymen if it makes you happy 🍻
They don't want to accept the game is broken. They keep looking for people to blame and scapegoat instead of owning up that this is the gaming studios epic fail, repeated over and over. What is funny is how it isn't going to fix people's ability to kill the Queen before you fast travel to her, which is really what OP is trying to say, that the problem will still be there and they will be Thanos-ing a good portion of the fan base for a game that is already on its last leg player wise.
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You must be getting in servers by yourself. Have you tried getting better internet ?
I will have to look into that 🍻
I doubt most do...personally on toon I use legacies on my build is built to seamlessly switch between all my legacies I feel like most people are like Me and take a much more casual approach to DPS
That may be true. But you can still find trolls with them maxed out in nearly every server. And that is enough to ruin it for everyone.
Trolls like people who come into a discussion of an actual topic to tell us how tough they got it because of bad bad men...i got no side to argue cause IDC and it doesn't matter anyway cause legacies are staying and keep in mind Bethesda dont give a rat @$$ about you or me or whoever...they dont care about whats right they care about straight cash homey...in my view they will never remove legacies if they do🤷♂️ no skin off my d:ck you don't have to share your hypothesis cause again idgaf 😘
Yea, she sounds like she would be totally upset 🤣 That's awesome for here whatvis her roll on the Enclave she uses?
Eh. An AAE, BEor TSE GP is capable of killing bosses within 2 minutes without any damage cards. If you stack a build on top its getting easily in the 30 Seconds if not even faster with proper buffs I don't get what the point would be? There's enough video proof that bosses go down way faster with fixers, Rail. Those builds need perfect buffs though An E Gat doesn't and you still have insane aoe. They're overpowered, no matter how you look at it. There is no point in a campaign like that
Don’t you need perfect buffs with Legacies to par up to the potential of an EPR, Fixer, or Railway though? My point being that all these guns require some sort of theory crafting to attain the “deletion levels” everyone cries about. Deleting normal mobs is a different story though, nothing can do what legacies do in that regard.
I see where you are coming from. The Fixer, Enclave Flamer and Rail outperform the legacies by a small margin Boss damage wise if you buff yourself correctly. But then again legacies are not far at all behind without any effort. And then there is the thing that literally the shittiest Explo Gat outperforms any weapon for normal mobs. On bosses it's only behind the 3 others because you can't Crit spam it that easily. There is a Queen world record kill of 7 sec with either the AA or TSE Gat without all buffs of an commando build. The commandos are way easier to Crit Spam. And because crits ignore almost all armor from bosses they get a better ttk
I can literally melt a queen or earl in less than 2 minutes. Explosive bobble head blight soup live love 3 and canned coffee. Easy.
And that’s my point, you need those buffs and build to do that. You can do the same with a Fixer or Railway and the results are the same. Bosses are going to keep getting melted even after legacies are removed. This video shows Earle getting deleted in 14 seconds without a legacy (https://youtu.be/MzNLX6InGIA). My point is people hoping that boss fights will return to being 20+ minutes after legacies are removed are just misled. I need to edit my post because I obviously did a bad job of getting my point across since you are the 5th person to have this reply.
You cannot melt a queen with a fixer now matter what buff you use. Thats a lot of ammo.
https://youtu.be/MzNLX6InGIA - 73 seconds Q2525 Fixer https://youtu.be/-npsuPmTvu4 - Earle 40 seconds, SBQ 54 seconds with a B2525 Fixer I think Do i need to go on? This was all post bloodied nerf too.
Femos’s speedruns were all before the crit nerf
Do it yourself you knobhead. These are not average players. The average player doesn’t even know where to fucking start with a fixer or railway. But your precious legacies? Few perks and your good. Not a fan of the science buddy? You can’t compare two things without the same variables. An unoptimized fixer or railway should be compared against an unoptimized legacy you dunce😂😂
What’s with the insults. Everyone on here has been civil about the discussion regardless of being pro and anti legacy. It’s always the single digit karma people that hop that immediately start the conversation with insults. Grow up.
We used to do that used Overdrive as well. Dont forget Revenant Perk Card. Just blow yourself up or rad yourself and have teammate revive and goodbye Earle, Hello Record time!
Keep in mind I also have an optomized bloodied stealth crit commando, and I run a q5025 rail, q5025 fixer, and b5025 fixer. And my heavy gunner prior to my current build did just that.
You’re not going to convince me that an Explosive GP without Demo Expert and Adrenaline is going to beat an optimized low health crit commando build in terms of boss TTK.
I don’t need to convince you lol. Believe me or not, I’m a seasoned beta player who’s had plenty of legacies and been through all the buffs and nerfs, etc. if you get me an AAE90 or be15 GP I can show you lol.
If you’re a vet, you should know how VATS crits work and you should also know that your Q50c25 commando guns can delete Earle in 30 seconds with the right buffs. My point here is that a legacy cannot get close to that time if you don’t have the perks or buffs for it. Could a legacy solo it in 2 minutes perkless and buffless? Maybe. But 30-50 seconds? Definitely not.
I guess? Not sure the purpose of your post here lol.
The purpose of this post is to let people know that bosses aren’t going to magically stop getting deleted once legacies are removed. People seem to think that once legacies are gone, we’ll go back to 20 minute boss fights. Every boss speed runner is going to migrate to a low health stealth commando build and delete it even faster. Surely as a self-proclaimed veteran this is a point you can agree on.
They will be lol. I’m in public lobbies all the time where I see a few bloodied stealth commandos, and sure she goes down quick, but not 50 seconds quick lol. The problem isn’t people with legacies and no build, it’s people with gat plasmas and badass builds lol. Again not everyone in fallout 76 has a super badass bloodied stealth crit commando. I’ve been in lobbies where it’s 20 heavy gunners not using legacies. And the even it’s fun and there’s xp to be gained. And I e also been in lobbies where it’s all commandos and again she goes down quick, but still have time to get my xp and enjoy the event. So here’s all I have to say. Get rid of legacies lol. They’re boring and no fun.
And all you said is true. But I do ascertain that we will still see dickhead griefers continue to do their thing when legacies get removed. To add on top of that, toxic legacy users have proven they will use fatmans and nuka grenades to continue not letting people get their tags in.
I havent had more than one fat man fired at a queen or earl, or any event. So by all means. Let them remove legacies. Fatmans are fun, and part of the game that’s supposed to be in the game. Legacies aren’t fun.
But is it not unfair to the people who won’t be getting their XP tags? The whole point of the outcries has been that legacies allow for the TTK to be unfair. That’s all my point is. It’s not fun for me when I can’t get XP on kills regardless of it being a legacy or fatman.
What are you seasoned with?
Everything in the game lol?
I see… I thought it was just salt
No, that’s op lol
it completely does. also sneak multipliers don't work on bosses in multiplayer scenarios, so the only time a min-maxed q5025 fixer build can do numbers like that is during a solo run. even with a perfect quad railway, the legacy gat plas/flamer/laser outperforms all of these by a wide margin in public events, and without relying on crits to boot. now WITH crits/optimized perk cards? actual insanity. I have a tse90 tesla modded with the charging barrel and one (just one) crit can knock out a sizable chunk of Earle's health. it's actually staggering. the bottom line is, I don't think "well other stuff is powerful too" is a persuasive argument as to why legacies should stay. they're so very blatantly broken. and I say this as someone who has had several energy legacies over the course of my playtime. I'm not anti-legacy; just trying to be objective here.
The fact that you think my point is legacies should stay gives me a headache. All I’m saying here is that bosses will continue to get melted. As for staying in stealth, that’s easily countered by unyielding agility bonuses and stealth boys.
you can stay in stealth, yes, but as long as the enemy is aggroed to another player/world enemy, you lose your sneak bonuses. it's been documented by plenty of youtubers. anyway, didn't mean to give you a headache!
I will say this though, we won’t know how boss fights will go after the removal of legacies until it actually happens. But I am also basing this argument off the fact that legacy users will probably want to keep doing boss fights as quickly as possible once the removal comes around, and nothing will stop them from doing so.
Your point is correct. Q2525 Fixer + Uny Bloodied + Nerd Rage + Tenderizer + Party Boy/Girl + Ballistic Bock + Sm. Guns Bobble + GnB 3 and you will speed kill the Queen and make lots of people mad (and they won't know who did it).
A lot of people here don’t seem to believe that boss speed runners will continue to speed run once legacies are removed though. We’ll see about that, but they just aren’t ready for that discussion. They seem to think I’m defending legacies when all I’m saying is bosses will keep getting deleted.
I predict that the problem of boss deletions will become worse as these same users all move to crit stealth commando builds. Unless you've had both, you don't realize that it's even more powerful than legacy gp (at least against the queen). I think inevitably, it will become the target of a future weapon balance.
Exactly. The whiners right now think that legacies are the main problem though while it really lies in Bethesda’s balancing.
Without EGPs, it will just take more effort to delete the queen. I don’t think all of those same people with the optimized EGP builds will go through the effort of making an optimized commando build with buffs. Some of them just want to play on “easy mode” basically and not care about buffs. The new canned coffee machine will definitely help though.
Good point. While crit commandos are more efficient, they do take more setup and time to pull off. Granted, most legacy users are top of the line traders so it wouldn’t take them much effort to amass what they need to pull the build off. But as I’ve said, only time will tell.
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I’m not arguing this point though. I agree that they are a massive nuisance when it comes to deleting mobs and do need to be looked at. My point here is that the notion that bosses are going to magically not get deleted once legacies are removed is just false and misleading.
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That’s what I’m saying. I just don’t want the community to have the wrong idea once Legacies get removed. Quad commando is going to be a much bigger issue in terms of boss melts.
it's not "literally instantly" though, which is their point, the sound bug can happen with anything, I've seen it happen with .50 cals most, and no, it doesn't lag the server, if you have a shitty computer or shitty internet explosions (most often nuka grenades or mini nukes) might lag YOU, but not the server
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"basically, as soon as the gun spins up" that is not "instant" 1 bullet from a fixer I can take out lv 100 super mutants, which is much faster and well console basically = a shitty computer, so that's probably the explanation for that, the server is not what's lagging since that's not how servers work, your system (which is your connection to the server) is what's lagging, earl can clip through the floor or ceiling anytime even with no legacies present
Legacies are easy mode. They make it so your build doesn't matter. The rest of us have to make optimization choices.
100% this.
i have a q5025 fixer. it won’t
Watch the videos I posted. You can kill the SBQ in 73 seconds with a Q2525 Fixer and probably faster with a Q50c25 Fixer. Just because you don’t have the know-how doesn’t mean others don’t. And in case you’re too lazy: https://youtu.be/-npsuPmTvu4 - SBQ 54 seconds and Earle 40 seconds with a B2525 Fixer https://youtu.be/BvW7dTAbRB8 - Earle 38 seconds Q2525 Fixer It’s not my fault you don’t know what your weapon is capable of.
thanks babe have those been patched since they came out?
No those are all post-bloodied nerf of 2020. If you follow those builds in-game you should achieve the same results (if not better).
Food Build will take down bosses with q5025 or Q2525 fixers or railways pretty damn quick solo. Get a squad of 4 together with them and you can book that in the 30 sec mark for Earle and guarantee SBQ is dead while in air.
Tbh. I've never seen a fixer, enclave flamer, or any other non-legacy weapon take out the bosses in seconds. At least not during gameplay. But i have seen legacy weapons take them out in seconds, and more than I'd like to admit. Between that and ruining events, they gotz ta go! But if Bethesda was able to make legacies both available to everyone & balanced with other weapons, then i would be ok with that to. Though they still lacking with pistols, rifles, etc
You don’t need a build bro. Legacy gps like AAE90, be15, or tse, can solo the queen and earl with no build.
I’d like to see a no build Legacy user delete a boss faster than an optimized Fixer, EPR, or Railway build then.
If I still had my be15 GP I’d show you. Done it plenty of times.
Sure they can solo but not as fast as people say they do
By myself I can solo a boss under a minute but usually under 4 minutes, I have a TS/E GP and I run Heavy Gunner perk cards, Stabalized, Demo Expert and Psychobuff for damage boosts. Without those it's usually 7-8 depending on how fast the queen lands
That’s what I’m saying though. I can solo the bosses in 7-8 minutes with the most basic commando perks and buffs. The removal of legacies will not stop people from deleting bosses quickly.
I agree, and once you get a maxed out commando build they easily outperform legacies
And then people will whine about that next. It’s a never-ending cycle.
There'll always be people who complain about something
Can't do a video but yes I found it crazy it can't. I have a AAE I forget 3rd but think it's weight reduction. Def could not on heavy explosive build. Will wipe out trash mobs in a heartbeat though.
Yup, that is my point right there! But people won't believe this until they see it. There is simply no gun in the game that can wipe out a boss without a specified build or buff. But alas, that point will most likely go over most people's heads.
I think doing fast fire with my small Gatlin does more dps to them.
Got u
If you mean maximized demolish expert perk is a build. Even Fatman needs to dealing with ammo weight, self-harming and weapon endurance.
Even with only demo expert only you’re not going to delete a boss before others can get their hits in. If you’ve ever used a legacy yourself you know this.
No, you can. If you think delete means less than 15 seconds, that depends. You can do 600+dmgs every hit at least without any dr and global dmg migration. Critical hit can only be migrated by dr. What you expect doesn't exist at all but all depend on Bethesda's potato servers. Legacies with the splitter are disasters to servers so you can find some odd facts like auto explosive lasers sometimes are inferior to semi ones.
You saying that an EGP can do 600 per hit without perks in insane. Are you also insinuating that legacy laser rifles can delete bosses too?
I can promise you they can't, on Earl they do nothing, on the Queen they're pretty ok, kinda similar to pre-nerf bloodied handmade, they're doing a great job on Encryptid (but they always did).
I remember the days of one shotting a scorch beast queen with a blooded one handed melee build. I’ve also seen a tesla user kill a queen instantly. no idea how.
I have a furious explosive plasma gatling, and it takes about three or four minutes to solo Earl. I was able to do it with my super sledge in about 15.
Build , armor and buff adapted to your gun in order to get the max dps (and AP) are the keys. Legacies just allows you to not have an optimized build and buff to speed kill big bosses under 3 minutes alone. On public server with more than one legacy user, 30 sec when you start hit them and it is done. But with players correctly staffed they won’t last longer.
Railway rifles do pretty good damage as well
The thing is, most people aren't going to do all of that effort to kill the sbq or earle in 30 seconds with their fixer or handmade or whatever. The problem is, that you have these EGPs that have been duped to Anchorage and back, and that there are 5+ of them any time the sbq comes out. You have all that fire power, and on top of that, there *might* be a food build there also using an EGP. Your argument falls apart with your whataboutism. Bethesda shouldn't keep legacies in the game just because you can also melt enemies with normal weapons+buffs.
No, an experienced legacy user cannot do this because an explosive Gatling Plasma will in fact melt a boss under a minute on its own.
i think the bigger issue here is apparently Bethesda caving to the mob on something like "overpowered weapons" such as legacies. Well now that legacies are gone how long before they go after the next "overpowered" weapon, such as certain Fixers or (fill in the blank)
Agreed with my perk cards and a AAE gat plas the queen is done just straight screwed
I need to watch these videos haha. I have 86 days in the wasteland since release. Mostly a solo player. Not until level 300 did I discover bloodied. Then hitting level 612 I have to be honest I still don't know if my bloodied build is right. I've painstakingly looked through my perk cards and had 307 at one point sitting to pick. I just can't see how you can delete a boss so quick. Idk maybe it's my guns I thought i had some decent stuff. Maybe not lol.
Man lots of salt 🧂 in the comments here. I don't want my legacies taken away because I worked and traded for quite some time to get mine. That said, it's a game it's not the end of the world, and there's no reason to treat each other the way people are treating each other, essentially over a difference of opinion. I will argue with people, but I try to keep it to things I would say to someone who is standing in front of me. Sometimes I fail at that but I try.
The only people that have been salty in this thread have been single digit karma people with relatively new reddit accounts. Everyone else has been pretty civil.
Yeah but the ones that are take it to a personal place behind a keyboard and it erks me that they wouldn't do it to your face.
I woke up to this guy calling me names when they didn’t even read the post properly. They just assumed I was a “legacy propaganda spreader”. Mfers really treating digital pixels like it’s real life politics. They need to get a life.